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Speaker 3: Seventy six.

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Speaker 4: They got the seventy.

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Speaker 3: Three for the third time this season. The Gophers with

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Speaker 3: a court store and the court rock and the win

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Speaker 3: on Michigan State, most impressive win of the year, never

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Speaker 3: trailed and let it from the opening.

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Speaker 5: Tip Mike Grimm on the call last night via you

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Speaker 5: best apps in the radio business. No question about that

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Speaker 5: wild win last night, Wolves win last night. Going to

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Speaker 5: go for men's basketball team wins last night. The head

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Speaker 5: coach Nico Medved kind enough to join us via the

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Speaker 5: Connectico Water Systems hotline.

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Speaker 1: And as we welcome you back to the program.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you a couple of nuggets that you,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure already are well aware of, but many in

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Speaker 5: our audience might not be. Your club is the only

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Speaker 5: Division One team in the last thirty seasons to have

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Speaker 5: zero bench points, get out rebounded by double digits, allow

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Speaker 5: fifty plus points.

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Speaker 1: In a half, and win the game.

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Speaker 5: Now, I'm assuming I used to kid Richard Patino about

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Speaker 5: how all the contract incentives he had, So I'm assuming

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Speaker 5: you just made one of your incentives last night by

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Speaker 5: still under those conditions finding a way to win the game.

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Speaker 1: Do you get a bonus?

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Speaker 6: I don't know if it's I don't think it's in

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Speaker 6: my contract, but maybe you have.

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Speaker 7: To talk to my agent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you should.

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Speaker 6: I tell you what to And all of it happened

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Speaker 6: in those last three minute. Thing, we give up twenty

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Speaker 6: two points like in the last three minutes of the game,

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Speaker 6: several offensive rebounds. It was a long three minute.

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Speaker 5: Well for you, I'm assuming it's you've had so many

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Speaker 5: games in which you guys have either been in position

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Speaker 5: of the time lately it had gone the other way.

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Speaker 1: So I'm assuming you're going.

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Speaker 5: All right, what can I do from the sidelines to

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Speaker 5: try to not get the message out that you worry

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Speaker 5: the players are going with as in, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: it's happening again right in front of our eyes.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it happened so fast. I mean, I've

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Speaker 7: got a really resilient group.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they keep coming back, giving themselves chances to win.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it all happened so fast, and we're up

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Speaker 6: sixteen three minutes to go, and boy, it's just you know,

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Speaker 6: get Michigan State a lot of.

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Speaker 7: Credit, and they threw in some shots.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you're trying not to foul. You know, you still

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Speaker 6: have to play defense, but you don't want them to

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Speaker 6: score quickly. And yeah, but you just keep focusing on

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Speaker 6: even as a coach, Hey, we just got to make

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Speaker 6: the next play. And I kept feeling like monce, we

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Speaker 6: And boy, I tell you what, it felt good when

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Speaker 5: I could imagine that. Well, I was gonna say, I mean,

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Speaker 4: Did you not? Now?

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Speaker 6: We we we did. Our our group needed it. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I mean a couple overtime losses and walked off at

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Speaker 6: I mean we earned that.

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Speaker 7: We led wire to wire, great mindsets.

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Speaker 6: So even though it got a little harry in the end,

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Speaker 6: I thought we outplayed them and we we definitely deserved

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Speaker 5: Well, I think your quote was it creates belief, right,

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Speaker 5: because you're this is the first year here, and obviously

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Speaker 5: that's what you're attempting to inject and implement into this

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Speaker 4: Belief.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think when I talked to you

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Speaker 6: and but in a bigger picture, it's like I wanted

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Speaker 6: us to say after the season that, you know, they

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Speaker 7: Build we can build a great program.

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Speaker 5: Who impressed you last night from your perspective on your.

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Speaker 6: Side, you know Jenalen Crocker Johnson's a kid for us

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Speaker 6: He was a little bit undersized at times, but he

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Speaker 6: And Lanston Reynolds played great for us too. You know,

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Speaker 7: A hard guy to officiate. Yes, he can be a dirty.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually I was going to get to that,

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Speaker 5: It took place after the Michigan Michigan State game as well,

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Speaker 5: as he was maybe grumbling during the game about.

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Speaker 1: Some of the calls.

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Speaker 5: So how do you what is your approach when there's

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Speaker 6: I think the first thing is, you know, you've got

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Speaker 6: tough kid, he's a competitor. He definitely crosses the line

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Speaker 6: and in several instances I'll give I'll give Drew our

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Speaker 6: film guy credit. Yesterday they caught that play, you know

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Speaker 6: lot of credit. I thought that was a big momentum

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Speaker 6: thing for us. But then you're trying to help your guys, like, hey,

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Speaker 6: let me worry about the officials. You've got to keep

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Speaker 6: So I give our guys a lot of credit. But

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Speaker 6: he's a tough guy to officiate and play against, and

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Speaker 6: I'm sure coach will help get him under control, because

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Speaker 6: I mean, some of those plays are dangerous and there's.

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Speaker 7: Just no place for it.

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Speaker 5: Give me the Nico Medved more general basketball philosophy on style,

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Speaker 5: because the story kind of broke out and the debate

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Speaker 1: There's two potential issues.

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Speaker 5: One is maybe one player in particular who's out of

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Speaker 5: or the more general debate that's taken place a long

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Speaker 5: time in the Big Ten that the Michigan State approach

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Speaker 5: is too physical. They're allowed to They're giving them too

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Speaker 6: Well, I get tired. I mean, every year, we're going

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Speaker 6: we're going to listen to the officials talk about cleaning

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Speaker 6: up physical play, freedom of movement. It's the same crap

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Speaker 7: I mean, they allow you to hold cutters, chuck cutters.

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Speaker 6: It gets really really physical. There's a fine line somewhere.

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Speaker 6: I've got no problem Michigan State the way they play.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's as good as it gets. I mean,

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Speaker 7: Would prefer to have, you know, a more.

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Speaker 6: Aesthetically pleasing style of defense that way, But you know,

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Speaker 6: it's the same thing every year. It's probably like the NBA.

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Speaker 6: to the playoffs, I mean, it's World War Three out there.

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Speaker 6: I mean I remember going to the Wolves playoff team

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Speaker 6: NBA in the playoffs, it's just going to get more physical.

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Speaker 1: You would have obviously you want to have more of

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Speaker 5: I don't think your long term designs is to have

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Speaker 5: the time. And it's the process to bring in players,

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Speaker 5: add to the talent, keep people here, et cetera. But

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Speaker 5: in terms of the landscape of sort of what you've

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Speaker 5: you've tried to establish thus far, do you is it

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Speaker 5: fair to say, here's what I see from from Afar.

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Speaker 5: I see a coach who's already established what he already

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Speaker 5: knew about himself.

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Speaker 1: You know what you're doing.

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Speaker 5: You know how to coach basketball, even at this level,

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Speaker 5: and even if you haven't had as many wins as

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Speaker 5: you want, which obviously I'm sure you want more, and

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Speaker 5: it's about winning more than losing. Right that that's established,

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Speaker 5: the issue is, all right, can you supplement by bringing

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Speaker 5: established part of it. Do you feel that way? Am

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Speaker 5: I giving you too much credit? Enough credit?

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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Speaker 5: By the way, I'm reminded that tickets to Sunday's go

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Speaker 1: And it's the backstory of.

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Speaker 5: Your family and where your dad came from, and sort

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Speaker 1: It is. It's quite a story.

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Speaker 5: And indeed, I'm curious to know how young you were

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the story lays out nicely just how spartan the

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Speaker 5: And you're, uh, basically your dad ends up by it?

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Speaker 1: Remarkable. The other part of the story I did not know.

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Speaker 5: I knew some of this, I didn't know it in

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Speaker 6: way that turns, and you know, things happen for a reason,

442
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Speaker 6: and yeah, it's just it's it's an amazing story and

443
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Speaker 6: it's just still so cool every time I get to

444
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Speaker 6: look in the stands and see my mom and dad

445
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Speaker 6: there getting a chance to watch and I joke with

446
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Speaker 6: my dad. I mean he's a celebrity now, you know.

447
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, I don't doubt that for a minute.

448
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 5: I mean to have him have it come full circle.

449
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Speaker 5: And some of this you've talked about before, but personally speaking,

450
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Speaker 5: you still kind of have to be, I guess, kind

451
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Speaker 5: of pinching yourself when you can, as you mentioned, look

452
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Speaker 5: behind the bench and.

453
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Speaker 1: There they are, and they've been there.

454
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Speaker 5: You know, they've been in that building, what fifty five years,

455
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Speaker 5: even before you know you were a factor in any

456
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Speaker 5: of this.

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Speaker 1: That's where they were in that historic building.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and and I you know, memories as a young

459
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Speaker 6: kid going to the games and I remember, you know,

460
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Speaker 6: going to the game when Judd Eatcote was coaching MI

461
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Speaker 6: you know, a long ago it was, and yeah, it's

462
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Speaker 6: it's awesome. My dad's got great stories of some of

463
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Speaker 6: the games when he remembers obviously the game against Ohio

464
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Speaker 6: State when the fight broke out, and yeah, he's he's

465
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Speaker 6: seen it, he's seen it all.

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Speaker 5: Well, the names, you know, it's it's interesting. I grew

467
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Speaker 5: up I think I told you this in Gary, Indiana.

468
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Speaker 5: So the steel mills that especially back then huge, right,

469
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Speaker 5: And so you had people coming from all over in

470
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Speaker 5: my case my family Spain, it could be Eastern Europe.

471
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Speaker 5: And so I grew up watching high school teams each

472
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Speaker 5: Chicago Washington had a great team, and I can still

473
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Speaker 5: remember the names of the players, uh, Drago, Trifunovich, Merko, Blessed.

474
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Speaker 1: So I see names like that were in this story.

475
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Speaker 5: And I said, yeah, I recognize.

476
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Speaker 1: And relate to it.

477
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Speaker 5: To all of that, it ends up end up feeling

478
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Speaker 5: it's a very very small world because that was another

479
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Speaker 5: place where everybody it became a melting pot simply because

480
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Speaker 5: they were that's where the jobs were. And and and

481
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Speaker 5: then folks who came from someplace else, they end up

482
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Speaker 5: epoxying themselves to the new culture. They've become part of it.

483
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Speaker 7: Absolutely.

484
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Speaker 6: And you know, you still go up to the Iron

485
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Speaker 6: Range in Minnesota. There's a huge Slovenian contingent, you know there,

486
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Speaker 6: and so yeah, it's the way these cities, you know,

487
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Speaker 6: were built, these communities were built, and so you still, yeah,

488
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Speaker 6: when you travel up there, you still feel that today.

489
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Speaker 5: So what have you got going on? Sunday tickets available?

490
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Speaker 5: I'm told for like ten bucks to pack the barn.

491
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Speaker 5: What's the uh? What can how can how can you

492
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Speaker 5: entice people.

493
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Speaker 7: That dollar ticket?

494
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Speaker 6: Yeah, one Maryland coming in. We've also got our sky

495
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Speaker 6: You Mas Strong event, which is our our cancer awareness event,

496
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Speaker 6: which is really cool. We partner with the Masonic Children's

497
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Speaker 6: Hospital here and our players, actually Dan are gonna wear

498
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Speaker 6: the names of the cancer patients that they are playing

499
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Speaker 6: for on the back of their jerseys. They're all coming

500
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Speaker 6: over to practice tomorrow to get a chance to meet us.

501
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Speaker 6: And so it's a really cool thing that I took

502
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Speaker 6: with us from Colorado State that I think our community

503
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Speaker 6: will really really like.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate the time, sir.

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Speaker 5: Congrats and I know a much needed victory last night.

506
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Speaker 5: I don't I'm sure you don't want to go down

507
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Speaker 5: the rabbit hole. My god, what would it have felt

508
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Speaker 5: like if we had been unable to hold on to

509
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Speaker 5: that lead. But you did and that's what matters. And

510
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Speaker 5: as you say, you need, you certainly needed it. So

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Speaker 5: thanks again for the extended chat.

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Speaker 7: Well we did.

513
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Speaker 6: And then think about all the Minnesota teams won last night.

514
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Speaker 7: That's right, it happened sometimes, that's it.

515
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Speaker 1: By the way, do you you have a scotting report

516
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Speaker 1: on Desson MoU?

517
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Speaker 5: Did you ever coach against Iyo Desumu, who the Wolves

518
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Speaker 5: just acquired from the Bulls. Oh.

519
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Speaker 6: I remember iow and high school and watching him, you.

520
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Speaker 7: Know, in Chicago. He is a tough, tough kit. I

521
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Speaker 7: think it's a great pickup for the Wolves. I do.

522
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Speaker 6: I think he's going to be a great fit. He's

523
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Speaker 6: got a defensive mindset, can make shots. I think he's

524
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Speaker 6: got a competitive toughness. I think that's a really good,

525
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Speaker 6: good good pickups.

526
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a sneaky kid move.

527
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Speaker 4: I think.

528
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Speaker 6: I think Tim Conin is really good at his job.

529
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Speaker 1: He yeah, he reminded me.

530
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Speaker 5: He said, well, I feel like i've you know, some

531
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Speaker 5: drafts haven't worked out, so I gotta I gotta.

532
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Speaker 1: Make up for it somehow.

533
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Speaker 5: And sometimes, as you know, at the pro level, it's

534
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Speaker 5: acknowledging it ain't working.

535
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Speaker 1: I can't pretend any longer.

536
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Speaker 5: So let's go out and try to fix it by

537
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Speaker 5: getting somebody in return.

538
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and again like none of this is an exact science.

539
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Speaker 6: And I think sometimes when you got to find the

540
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Speaker 6: red the Wolves are Oh, so, I think it's a

541
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Speaker 6: great pick up. Here they're in position, and I think

542
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Speaker 6: they're going to position themselves to have another late.

543
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Speaker 7: Season run here.

544
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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for the extended time. Again, congratulations, so

545
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll talk soon.

546
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Speaker 5: Hi.

547
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 7: Thanks Dan.

548
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 5: Absolutely that is the head basket men's basketball coach University

549
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Speaker 5: of Minnesota.

550
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Speaker 1: Nico medved In.

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Speaker 5: Fact, our next guest is going to talk a section stuff.

552
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Speaker 5: But I think his most recent appearance at a sporting

553
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Speaker 5: event was a golden gold for men's hockey game. As

554
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Speaker 5: it turns out, I had no idea he was a puckhead.

555
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 5: I thought he was a football guy. But maybe he's

556
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Speaker 5: more versatile than that. We will find out, and then

557
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 5: we'll get into more serious issues as well. With former

558
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Speaker 5: US attorney Andy Lueger.

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Speaker 4: He's neck.

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Speaker 2: get all the details KFA in dot com keywork calendar.

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Speaker 1: All right, Andy Lueger is in studio right now.

564
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Speaker 5: He'll join us for most of well the next close

565
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Speaker 5: to the next hour. Don't forget well, we don't have

566
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Speaker 5: top five to five because we're gonna do Andy. We

567
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Speaker 5: may get some sports, some sports headlines.

568
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Speaker 6: Later.

569
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Speaker 5: We'll review the Wolves situation, trade situation as well.

570
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Speaker 1: Now that the deadline has been.

571
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Speaker 5: Passed, and the Wolves did out I think a helpful player,

572
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Speaker 5: but obviously not.

573
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Speaker 1: The Greek freak.

574
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Speaker 5: Not be honest, Andy, You we come to find out,

575
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Speaker 5: like Nico Medved who when he was a kid was

576
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Speaker 5: a big hockey guy, we come to find out you

577
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Speaker 5: have greater hockey sensibilities that I previously understood.

578
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Speaker 1: What's that all about? So you know, let's correct the record.

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Speaker 8: I admitted on this show a couple of times ago

580
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Speaker 8: that I'm not a hockey fan. I love every sport.

581
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Speaker 8: I don't get hockey. I don't understand hockey. I never

582
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Speaker 8: played hockey. I can't skate. But you know, I came

583
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 8: home one day to find out we're going to a

584
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Speaker 8: hockey game. And it was one of those you don't

585
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Speaker 8: question it, you don't, you know. I just stood there

586
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 8: and you know, this is what we're doing, and this

587
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 8: is who we're doing it with, and and dress warm

588
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 8: because it's not like going to a basketball game because

589
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Speaker 8: I'd probably been thirty years.

590
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Speaker 4: Instead of that lot. Yeah. Right, So there's a blue.

591
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 8: Line, there's a red line, and there's you know, I

592
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 8: seen there's people are telling me stuff. And I was

593
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Speaker 8: at a hockey game. Which they won, and they won.

594
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Speaker 8: It was yeah, it's the badge. It was the badger, right,

595
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 8: border battle? Sure, so you know I come from New Jersey.

596
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 8: We didn't have water battles, there were no there was

597
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Speaker 8: street battle.

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00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very true.

599
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Speaker 4: You know my town versus the town next to it?

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Speaker 4: Did you did you?

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Speaker 1: Did you stay for the whole game? Kind of?

602
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Speaker 4: It was the plan.

603
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Speaker 1: Okay, that'll stay for the cell game.

604
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Speaker 4: We stayed for. So it's three it's three periods.

605
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Speaker 1: Three periods in hockey, that's correct.

606
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Speaker 4: Two and a half.

607
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Speaker 1: That's okay.

608
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: I was proud of myself.

609
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not bad.

610
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Speaker 5: That's that's hanging in very good because you're a mainly

611
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 5: football guy. He made that clear, right, you're Vikings guy,

612
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 5: and you continue to be JJ McCarthy guy. I am

613
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 5: against the wind right because he's on the run right

614
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: now in this town, as you know, and you're you're

615
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 5: doubling down on your belief that if they just let him,

616
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Speaker 5: if the Vikings, just if the quarterback whisperer just lets

617
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Speaker 5: him play through some mistakes, get his legs under him,

618
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 5: he can still be the guy.

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Speaker 8: And we need four to three hundred pound guys in

620
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Speaker 8: front of him. Well, that's every successful team has a

621
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Speaker 8: great offensive line.

622
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Speaker 1: Well you were alignment, weren't you?

623
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Speaker 5: Yes?

624
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Speaker 8: I was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Why I say that?

626
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

627
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Speaker 8: Uh? And I played unsuccessful and unsuccessful teams. But give

628
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Speaker 8: him a chance to play. But give him the guys

629
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Speaker 8: in front of him who can give him more than

630
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Speaker 8: a second throw the ball. Yeah, and you know, look,

631
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Speaker 8: I'm gonna I'm going to root for Sam Darnold Sunday.

632
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Speaker 1: You know you are going to.

633
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Speaker 5: So you're not going to be It's not You're not

634
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Speaker 5: miserable about the fact that Sam has exceeded what he

635
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Speaker 5: did here.

636
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Speaker 8: Good for him, and we had our shot we made

637
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Speaker 8: I thought we made a smart decision. By the way,

638
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 8: worse comes to worse, I'm wearing my Josh Dobbs jersey.

639
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: Because he is the backup. That's true.

640
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Speaker 8: I forgot about that conceivable that my hero gets to

641
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Speaker 8: could end up playing.

642
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Speaker 1: Think about that.

643
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Speaker 4: So that's not why I invited me here.

644
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Speaker 5: But since so, no anger about Darnold, no frustration about

645
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Speaker 5: that we didn't do a rij No the experiment.

646
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Speaker 8: I've heard you talk about it. No, No, you make

647
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 8: a decision. It was a reasonable, rational decision. He got

648
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Speaker 8: hurt twice. You know.

649
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Speaker 5: Well, the decision, it sounds like in retrospect, is they

650
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Speaker 5: thought they had a great.

651
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Speaker 1: Chance of hedging with Daniel Jones as an option, right

652
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Speaker 1: I heard, and he has not.

653
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 5: You know, obviously he decided to go else, which I

654
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 5: think smart on his part because he knew they wanted

655
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Speaker 5: JJ to be the starter. All right, let's get to

656
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Speaker 5: some toy departments are non tod apartment.

657
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Speaker 8: They lost that, yes they did, they sometimes, but that

658
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Speaker 8: doesn't change my opinion of what McCarthy can be.

659
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Speaker 4: Yeah, next year or the year after.

660
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Speaker 5: All right, let's get to well, maybe this will be

661
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Speaker 5: the introductory salvo to go in a slightly different direction

662
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Speaker 5: than what I mentioned before the show? Is Andy going

663
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Speaker 5: to have to go back to work to fill an

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Speaker 5: opening that maybe you're entrede to discuss what's going on

665
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Speaker 5: at the office? You know, well, you helped to build

666
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Speaker 5: US attorney's office. What's going on?

667
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Speaker 1: And what are your.

668
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Speaker 5: How are you bitter? Are you angry? Are you philosophical?

669
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Speaker 5: What do you say?

670
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Speaker 4: So?

671
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Speaker 8: I think most of us living former US attorneys are

672
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 8: heartbroken is the word that I would use. We're grieving.

673
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Speaker 8: Each of us tried to build that office into something great,

674
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Speaker 8: and I think we all left our mark. We all

675
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 8: did a good job, and now it's in tatters. And

676
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 8: it's such an important institution for our state. It's so

677
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 8: important to public safety, it's so important to people's belief

678
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Speaker 8: in the government. I tried my best, as did my predecessors,

679
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 8: to stand up for justice in our own way and

680
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 8: with the priorities of Minnesotan's in mind. And right now

681
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 8: that's all gone down the train.

682
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Speaker 1: And is it fourteen now that have resigned? Now do

683
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Speaker 1: we know? Are all the reasons the same? Is it

684
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: some of the same?

685
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Speaker 8: You know? I know, you know, so we don't. We

686
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 8: can't read everybody's mind, right. And it's not only the numbers.

687
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 8: I mean, people leave, people move on. There's a constant

688
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 8: inflow at outflow from those offices. What's different is you

689
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 8: started off with six leaders, six career people who had,

690
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Speaker 8: you know, helped build everything that office stood for, and

691
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Speaker 8: then another wave of leaders Anna Os.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just.

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Speaker 8: Read this stuff in the paper. I don't talk to anybody.

694
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Speaker 8: I'm not asking people. But Anna Vos carried the civil Division.

695
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 8: I made her Civil Division chief the first time I

696
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Speaker 8: was US attorney. And she's been there ever since, and

697
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 8: she's a pillar. She's not leaving because, oh gee, I'm

698
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Speaker 8: going to get another job.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 8: My view is she's a career person. There's no reason

701
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Speaker 8: to stay for some of these people. And it's almost

702
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Speaker 8: important what's happening. The work that they're being told to

703
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 8: do is not what people signed up for and not

704
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 8: what they believe in. And this is a job you

705
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 8: take because you believe in it, and if it no

706
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 8: longer is what you believe in, you can stay and

707
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Speaker 8: try to wait it out and see if it turns around.

708
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Speaker 4: And that's fine.

709
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Speaker 8: I applaud the people who are staying, or you can

710
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Speaker 8: say I just can't do this.

711
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Speaker 4: I don't believe in it, and it's against my principles.

712
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: Because they are being led in a different they're being

713
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Speaker 5: told the directions that they need to go in to

714
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Speaker 5: continue to stay in their positions.

715
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and you and I've talked about this. This whole

716
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 8: immigration obsession comes from Washington. There's not a person of

717
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 8: ever talked to law enforcement in all the years I've

718
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Speaker 8: been here, in all the years have been a prosecutor

719
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Speaker 8: or a defense layer whoever said our number one priority

720
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Speaker 8: needs to be immigration gang's guns, fraud, you name it, fentanyl,

721
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Speaker 8: you know heroine the old days never ever immigration.

722
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Speaker 4: Did we do immigration cases?

723
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Speaker 8: Sure, we all did, and there are important immigration cases

724
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Speaker 8: to bring yep. But the entire focus of the office

725
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Speaker 8: on immigration and now you know, processors and prosecuting them,

726
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Speaker 8: prosecuting Don Lemon, prosecuting all these people versus the work

727
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Speaker 8: that literally is not being done, and I think that's

728
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Speaker 8: intolerable to some.

729
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Speaker 1: Let's get I.

730
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Speaker 5: Went a little along with the with Nicos, so let's

731
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Speaker 5: get caught up. Get our first break in former years

732
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Speaker 5: Attorney Andy Luger will be with us, and we've got

733
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Speaker 5: plenty of time to explore lots of subjects, including ongoing

734
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Speaker 5: negotiations between Tom Hollman and let's say, the counties regarding

735
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Speaker 5: who can be arrested, who can be detained. There's a

736
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Speaker 5: lot of stuff to get through, having to do I

737
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Speaker 5: think also with understanding the semantics and trying to be

738
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Speaker 5: precise with what the language really means, because I think

739
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Speaker 5: it means different things to different people, which leads to

740
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Speaker 5: a lot of the misunderstanding. We'll get a quick pause

741
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Speaker 5: in now and continue with mister Luger next.

742
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Speaker 2: If you want a time on what's happening with your

743
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: favorite KFA and Josie Ken. You make your voice heard

744
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Speaker 2: of the bradsh on Brian Cafe and text line. So

745
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Speaker 2: what do you have to say by texting your messages

746
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Speaker 2: A six four six eighty six at six four six

747
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Speaker 2: eight six standard text message in data right supply.

748
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Speaker 1: Andy Luger back with us in studio.

749
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Speaker 5: So what can you tell us on the record, obviously

750
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Speaker 5: because you're on the radio about behind the scenes negotiations

751
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 5: going on between Hollman and perhaps the counties and in

752
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 5: whatever negotiations are presumably to try to lessen the tensions,

753
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Speaker 5: get us to a place where we're not, you know,

754
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 5: walking on eggshells every fifteen minutes? What are the key

755
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 5: components that are being negotiated?

756
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Speaker 8: To back up, when this all started, there were two

757
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 8: really broad misconceptions or pieces of rhetoric that many of

758
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 8: us who have been involved in trying to talk this

759
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 8: through knew would go by the wayside. One that this

760
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 8: was all Tim Walls's fault, and it's not. And it's

761
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 8: not because I love Tim Walls. But there's a state

762
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 8: law that requires state prisons to notify ice when somebody

763
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Speaker 8: that they want a detainer on is going to be released,

764
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Speaker 8: and they have to do that. There's no discretion, so

765
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Speaker 8: there's nothing. You know, everybody was beating up on tim

766
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 8: Walls and sanctuary state and all this nonsense. He had

767
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Speaker 8: to do what he was doing, The Corrections Department was

768
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Speaker 8: doing what they were doing, and the federal government had

769
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Speaker 8: to ultimately say, yeah, that's right now.

770
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Speaker 1: Holmand acknowledged that eventually correct.

771
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Speaker 8: Right. We started out this whole thing, and this is

772
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Speaker 8: what drove people like me crazy. You actually care about

773
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 8: the law is this started with a misconception at best

774
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Speaker 8: or a falsehood.

775
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Speaker 4: So you take the state out of the equation, then

776
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 4: you've got Minneapolis.

777
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Speaker 8: Well, you know Fry won't cooperate in this that there's

778
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 8: a twenty three year old city law that prohibits the

779
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 8: police from asking about immigration status or working with ice.

780
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Speaker 4: It's not just Minneapolis.

781
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Speaker 8: And by the way, that's the law that qualifies us

782
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Speaker 8: as a sanctuary city. That's the term that was used

783
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Speaker 8: going all the way back.

784
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Speaker 1: Is that law problematic in your opinion?

785
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Speaker 8: No, I think it makes perfect sense for the following Reaaron,

786
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 8: Most most police chiefs that I've talked to in law

787
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 8: enforcement agree the reason is not because we know people

788
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 8: love illegal immigrants. It's because if you start asking everybody

789
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 8: when they call you as a victim of a crime

790
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 8: or a witness in a crime, what's your what's your status?

791
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 8: Are you here legally or illegal? People stop calling and

792
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 8: then they that community clearly becomes targets for crime. It's

793
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 8: a pure law enforcement play. You know, I lived in

794
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 8: New York. Giuliani was the mayor of New York after

795
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 8: being one of the most successful US attorneys, and he

796
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 8: believed in it. He promoted it. When back when Rudy

797
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 8: Giuliani was the Giuliani people like me knew and respected.

798
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Speaker 8: It was just part of the fabric. You separate the two.

799
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 8: Not that the police are going to stop us, but

800
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 8: there's a reason to not cooperate. And whether Jacob Fry

801
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 8: as the mayor or anybody as the mayor wanted that

802
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 8: or not, it's in the law. There's no discretion. So

803
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 8: what I've been saying from the beginning, you know, to

804
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 8: everybody would listen, is take the state out of it,

805
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 8: because they're doing everything the government wants. Take the city

806
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 8: out of it because they can't do anything the government wants.

807
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 8: What are you left with you left with the county jails,

808
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 8: and the numbers are minute of what we're talking about,

809
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 8: and that's what frustrated. I mean, I'll go through what

810
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 8: the options are, but that's what's frustrating is because in

811
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 8: Hanniben County right now, the biggest jail we've got, you've

812
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 8: got about twenty people out of the almost thousand people

813
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 8: at the Hennibon County Jail, about twenty that qualify for

814
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 8: what ICE is seeking.

815
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Speaker 1: Oh well then, but why not give them the twenty?

816
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 4: Well, here's why.

817
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 8: And that's a subject for debate, and that's a good

818
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 8: subject for debate. So here are the options available to

819
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Speaker 8: every county jail. One, we don't cooperate. We don't call

820
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 8: you you want. They know everybody. ICE knows where people are,

821
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Speaker 8: what jail and who they are.

822
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Speaker 1: They Yeah, they haven't seen to always.

823
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Speaker 8: Well, they know whether they show up right, Yeah, there's lists.

824
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 8: This is public. It's not complicated. So there could be

825
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 8: three people in Meeker County jail and making this up

826
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 8: who they want. They know that they're there. The jail

827
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 8: can say we're going to call you when they get released.

828
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 8: The jail can say we're not going to call you.

829
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 8: The jail can say you can put somebody in our

830
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 8: jail to be there to take them when they're released,

831
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Speaker 8: if you got the bodies. There's a number of those options.

832
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 8: What right now, what the law says is that they

833
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 8: can't hold somebody after their release date because ICE wants

834
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 8: them to. That can be changed, but right now, anybody

835
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 8: who has tried to do that, sheriffs have been sued

836
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 8: because think about it, I got bail, I'm released state conditions,

837
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 8: it's all done. What do you mean you're going to

838
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 8: keep me here? What do you mean you know we're

839
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 8: going to sit around have a cup of coffee until

840
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 8: Ice can come. You have no basis for doing that.

841
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 8: They're negotiating that right now, whether there's a way to

842
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 8: do that in good faith, you know, the Feds and

843
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 8: the locals, but not every you know, not every sheriff

844
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 8: wants to do that. Not every county board wants their

845
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 8: sheriff to do that. And we come back to the

846
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 8: issue of local control. It's great that the Feds want

847
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 8: to do that, and if you believe in what this

848
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 8: deep mass deportation mission is great, but you don't get

849
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 8: to impose that will on a local government official.

850
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 4: The sheriff reports to the.

851
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 8: Hannebon County voters or the Ramsey County not to the president,

852
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 8: and the two are separate. That's what federalism is all about.

853
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 8: That's what states rights are all about. So you can

854
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 8: agree or disagree, but that's where the rubbed.

855
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: It, all right, So what's being negotiated?

856
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 4: Now?

857
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 8: What are the county jails? What are the sheriffs going

858
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Speaker 8: to do? Are they going to all do the same

859
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 8: thing or we got whatever? Eighty four sheriffs, eighty four counties.

860
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Speaker 8: It's eighty four.

861
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Speaker 5: I should know, but I'm not one of us either,

862
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 5: And I'm also an interloper who got here first?

863
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: I think you got here first?

864
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 4: Well, you got here first.

865
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Speaker 1: I did.

866
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Okay, it's another reason why I can't run for governor.

867
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Speaker 8: I know lotless of reasons. But that's either eighty six,

868
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 8: eighty seven or eighty four. I've been to most of

869
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 8: them as US attorney. Everybody gets to make their own decion.

870
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 8: The Statewide Sheriff's Association is working on it.

871
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: There are other options.

872
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 8: ICE can have these people arrested federally, in which case

873
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 8: there's no discretion to the local sheriff. If they choose

874
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 8: to do that, and so you know, everybody's talking about

875
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 8: these different options. To me, what's most important is how

876
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 8: minuscule these numbers are. And we got three thousand agents

877
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 8: showed up again. The state has no discretion. They've got

878
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 8: to do what Ice wants. This Minneapolis has no discretion.

879
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 8: They can't do what Ice wants. The only area of

880
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 8: discretion is in the state jails or the county jails,

881
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Speaker 8: and there ain't that much.

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Speaker 5: Well, so I sent this to you a while ago,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not sure if you ever answered it. Explain

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Speaker 5: to me, I'm looking at this was I think from

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Speaker 5: FAB a year ago actually, and I think it's a

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Speaker 5: release regarding the Attorney General's office a formal legal opinion

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Speaker 5: that Minnesota law prohibits state and local law enforce agencies

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Speaker 5: from holding someone based on an immigration to t to

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Speaker 5: Tayner with the person would otherwise be released from custody.

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Speaker 5: So explain precisely what that means and if and if

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Speaker 5: it's what it sounds, And it would seem like that's

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Speaker 5: a roadblock that is getting in the way of resolution here.

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Speaker 5: So explain what that means and why that's in place.

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Speaker 5: If the idea is to cooperate.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's in place because there were people were held

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Speaker 8: for detainers in county jails and the counties got sued.

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Speaker 1: Because that's what you were talking about earlier.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and so what what the Attorney General did was

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Speaker 8: codify that in an opinion, which is what attorney generals do,

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Speaker 8: and say, look, here's our legal opinion. You can't do

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Speaker 8: this now, are there you know, is there a way

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Speaker 8: to do it around state law, around state constitutional law.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that's being discussed, but you.

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Speaker 8: Can't ignore an opinion from the attorney general after these

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Speaker 8: lawsuits that says, you know, you can't do it. And

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Speaker 8: so we had that all has to be negotiated without

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Speaker 8: the rhetoric and the hatred and the screaming and yelling

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Speaker 8: and calling everybody names you guys, the Feds want X,

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Speaker 8: The city can't do X. Counties can do maybe some

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Speaker 8: of X. So one idea is we call you. We

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Speaker 8: can call you and say, Joe's going to be released

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Speaker 8: on Tuesday. Joe's one of the people on your list.

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Speaker 8: Come get them one. Take somebody to call, take somebody

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Speaker 8: to show up this coord.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't show up, we're releasing.

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Speaker 4: We can't, right, we can't hold them.

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Speaker 1: When you say, the county can say we can't.

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Speaker 5: But I think the question that I'm guessing in some

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Speaker 5: of our listeners' minds is does the county want to?

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Speaker 1: Because I think part of this is okay, are you?

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Speaker 4: Are you?

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Speaker 5: In a sense I hate to stay hiding behind the

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Speaker 5: law because the law is pretty important. I get that,

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Speaker 5: but that it almost lends the impression of we really

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Speaker 5: don't want to get out of this, out of this

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Speaker 5: morass and try to get to compromise, not because we

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Speaker 5: think we should, but that we we we've got something

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Speaker 5: that's stopping us, but we're that's what we prefer anyway,

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Speaker 5: even if it wasn't there, that's really in our heart

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Speaker 5: what we want to do.

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Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that.

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Speaker 8: Let me throw a wrinkle into this that nobody's talking about,

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Speaker 8: but I talk about. So somebody, the people in county

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Speaker 8: jails are not convicted, they're charged. So somebody's charged with

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Speaker 8: a rape. Let's use that example. Because it's come up

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Speaker 8: and that person's here illegally, goes on the list. Ice

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Speaker 8: wants that guy. So Ice waits, waits, he gets out,

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Speaker 8: they take him. He's you know, gone, he's in Guatemala.

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Speaker 8: The rape victim is sitting around going, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 8: I want justice. I want my day in court. I

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Speaker 8: want this guy to be convicted of a crime. So

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Speaker 8: it's it's always a little bit more complicated.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 8: It's easy to say, get these terrible people out of here,

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Speaker 8: but you got prosecutors waiting waiting around to have the try.

946
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Speaker 8: You've got judges waiting around for the trial.

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Speaker 4: And the victim where are the where are her rights?

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Speaker 1: Let's make this top the other pause.

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Speaker 5: I want to ask you a couple of home in questions,

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Speaker 5: and then I actually want to talk a little bit

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Speaker 5: about Chris maddele, who was in the chair you were in.

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Speaker 5: I think it was last week, because I know I

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Speaker 5: think you agree with him on some stuff, and I

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Speaker 5: think you vehemently disagree with him on some other things

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Speaker 5: as well. I will continue with our in studio guest,

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Speaker 5: former US attorney Andy Luger next year in the Thame