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Speaker 2: Ah right, let's uh, let's try to navigate this one today.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in the Monday Midday Quarterback ESBN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: Year, it was skyline time for me last night. Tony.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how anyone could could go through

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Speaker 2: the sports weekend that was locally here in Cincinnati and

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Speaker 2: not find a need for some comfort food at some

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Speaker 2: point over the weekend. What we're going to try to

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Speaker 2: do is sift through what may very well be austin

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Speaker 2: the worst Cincinnati sports weekend we've ever had.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I was asked this last night. My brother actually sent

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Speaker 2: me a message last night, and you know, he said,

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Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things that the games have

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Speaker 2: ended and I'm still struggling. I'm mad, I'm frustrated. What

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Speaker 2: do we do at this point? Is this the worst

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati sports weekend? And before we get those folks from

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Speaker 2: Xavier that want to say, well, wait a second, Joe

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Speaker 2: Daniman had to point this out as well. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about sports that were held here in the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I will point out Xavier lost a very good game

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Speaker 2: to Georgia over the weekend on Friday night. They bounced

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Speaker 2: back as a pretty big underdog yesterday against West Virginian

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Speaker 2: won that game outright going away. So the Xavier Musketeers

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Speaker 2: are playing much better basketball, and they did hold it

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Speaker 2: down for the city of Cincinnati by getting a win.

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Speaker 2: And I believe what was the Charleston Classic yesterday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: But locally, if we want to take away from the

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Speaker 2: awesomeness that was on display at pay Corps Stadium on

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Speaker 2: Friday night between Elder and st X and SAX storming

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Speaker 2: back and get an amazing win, if we want to

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Speaker 2: take out the awesomeness of high school football at pay

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Speaker 2: Corpse Stadium with over what twenty two thousand people in attendance,

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Speaker 2: What a crappy local weekend in sports. So I'm looking

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Speaker 2: for another weekend in your memory that could top what

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Speaker 2: this weekend was. You know, I've had bad weekends. I've

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Speaker 2: and then I watched Xavier the game after blow a

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Speaker 2: lead and their NCAA tournament hopes both ended in the

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Speaker 2: NCAA Tournament on the same night. That was pretty terrible.

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Speaker 2: I've watched the Jeremy Hill fumble against the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 2: and that was terrible. But I'm talking about everything together.

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Speaker 2: UC falls to Louisville at Heritage Bank Arena on Friday night.

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Speaker 2: UC football falls to BYU and will outline all of

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Speaker 2: the reasons why. But they fall to BYU, essentially ending

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Speaker 2: any hopes they had at a Big twelve Championship game appearance.

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Speaker 2: They did so with three missed field goals, a failed

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Speaker 2: with general ease. They fumbled inside I believe the thirty

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Speaker 2: very poor interception. They the epitome of shooting themselves in

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Speaker 2: the foot. After an awesome build up to the game,

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Speaker 2: Big noon kickoff was fun, the atmosphere at Nippert Stadium

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Speaker 2: was unbelievable. But it all resulted in a loss. And

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Speaker 2: then you turn the page to Sunday. Yes, the Bengals

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Speaker 2: they did. We'll dive into the Bengals game specifically. They

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Speaker 2: Who's going to carry the light for the city of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: A lot of people would have said FC Cincinnati. And

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Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati was obliterated at TQL Stadium four nil the

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Speaker 2: if not, can you give me other options? And you

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Speaker 2: give me other reasons? How about that Austin. We start

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Speaker 2: be thankful for, we do. I don't know that we

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Speaker 2: know if we're necessarily in that boat. You know, the

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Speaker 2: first thing I thought of when you said that was

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve when the Reds lost to the Giants in

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Speaker 2: the NLDS. That happened on a Thursday. And then that

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Speaker 2: Sunday the Bengals gave up twenty one fourth quarter points

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Speaker 2: to the windless Browns and lost in Cleveland. But those

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine there's been a worse weekend than this

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Speaker 2: when you consider like the national stage that the Bearcats

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Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati looked awesome, crowd was awesome, energy, hype,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna call them inter MESSI. Yep, they're not Miami,

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Speaker 2: they're inter Messy.

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Speaker 3: It's just yeah, I don't know that it gets any

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Speaker 3: worse than that now. I mean from a national standpoint,

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Speaker 3: the University of Cincinnati getting criticized because of the chance

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Speaker 2: It's a city situation, and you mentioned those chants. It's

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Speaker 2: something that has already been addressed by the athletic director

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Speaker 2: John Cunningham at the University of Cincinnati. He just released

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Speaker 2: this just a few minutes ago on behalf of the

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Speaker 2: University of Cincinnati and Bearcat Athletics. I want to serely

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Speaker 2: apologize to the BYU community. In the Church of Jesus

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Speaker 2: Christ of Latter day Saints, the use of offensive or

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Speaker 2: religiously derogatory language by a group of fans during Saturday's

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Speaker 2: game was unacceptable and does not reflect our values. We

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Speaker 2: remain committed to create an environment at Nippert Stadium where

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Speaker 2: every visiting team and that supporters are treated with dignity

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Speaker 2: and respect. And I will say this often. I've gone

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Speaker 2: most part, outside of that, the atmosphere was phenomenal. And

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Speaker 2: I will give credit to BYU fans Austin because I

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Speaker 2: have very rarely seen a opposing fan base travel in

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Speaker 2: which the numbers BYU brought to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I heard.

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Speaker 2: And it's not like a drive, right, you gotta fly

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Speaker 2: yeah to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Admittedly, you know, I was at a wedding this weekend,

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Speaker 3: so I didn't get to see any sports really on

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Speaker 3: But everything I read in the clips, it was just

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Speaker 3: just an insane amount of people.

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Speaker 2: They filled their fans filled the soccer stadium for a tailcate,

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Speaker 2: no kidding, and like not only like philed it, they

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Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: They traveled well. Again, it was an awesome environment. A

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Speaker 2: tough loss for UC and we'll talk more about that

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Speaker 2: loss as we get along. It was also a very

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Speaker 2: unique weekend in the National Football League. The Giants have

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Speaker 2: made another coaching change. Shane Bowen is out their defensive

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Speaker 2: ruined the brilliance Austin of Jamis Winston. They ruined more

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Speaker 2: Jamis Winston brilliance magic. Also, get that cannon ready again.

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Speaker 2: The offensive coordinator of the Las Vegas Raiders, Chip Kelly

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Speaker 2: gone gone after a twenty four to ten loss to

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. Yes, Austin, those Cleveland Browns who started

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders and Shador didn't actually look too bad.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Bengals and the Browns have the same record, yep, both.

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Speaker 3: Let that sink in three and eight. Let that sink.

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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett has eighteen sacks. Let that sink in. The

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Speaker 3: Browns as a team yesterday against the Raiders had ten sacks.

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Speaker 3: Miles You might understand this, Tony. There's six games left

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Speaker 3: in the season. Yes, so Miles is almost certainly going

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Speaker 3: to destroy the single season record I believe still held

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Speaker 3: by Michael Strahan. Of twenty two sacks. Yeah, and I'm

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Speaker 3: sure he would love to get it in sixteen games.

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Speaker 3: He might get out of seventeen, he might get to thirty.

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Speaker 3: He's had fourteen sacks in the last five games alone. Yep.

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Speaker 3: I really think you can make the argument that Miles

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Speaker 3: Garrett is the best player. Yeah, in the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: I agree. You know, you talk all the time about

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Speaker 3: the goat debate. Who are we watching now? That's an

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Speaker 3: all time great. I mean I would have a hard

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Speaker 3: time thinking otherwise. I mean, yes, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor,

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Speaker 3: elite edge rushers, Hall of famers. I don't know that

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Speaker 3: there's ever been one better than Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 2: It was the day in the NFL in which some

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Speaker 2: teams flex their muscles. You want to talk about flex

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Speaker 2: and what about the Rams last night? I was impressive. Now,

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, you hate to see it. Left shoulder injuries,

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Speaker 2: gett an MRI today. You hope for the best. It

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Speaker 2: wouldn't matter if Baker was healthy or not last night.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford is playing at an MVP level right now.

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Speaker 2: He's the MVP of the National Football League, I believe. Now,

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Speaker 2: thirty touchdowns and two interceptions.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty good. They flexed their muscles. Yesterday.

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Speaker 2: The Baltimore Ravens, although sloppy, won their fifth straight game,

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Speaker 2: and it also was a day of some meltdowns for teams.

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Speaker 2: The Giants blow a lead to the Lions. Credit to

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Speaker 2: lot on the strength of Jamier Gibbs.

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Speaker 3: By the way, those Giants, congratulations to them, not only

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Speaker 3: for you know, firing Shane Bowen. The Giants are the

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Speaker 3: first team officially eliminated from playoff contention. Okay, the Giants

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Speaker 3: are two to ten, but they are officially eliminated. That

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Speaker 3: means Tony that the Tennessee Titans at one in ten

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Speaker 3: are technically mathematically still alive.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about teams still being alive today as well.

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Speaker 2: In Week thirteen, the college football slay Ohio State continued

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Speaker 3: Nothing. It's also a good point. That is one of

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Speaker 3: he's Brian Kelly. Also, we got to make fun of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he'd never be at LSU. He'd be selling insurance somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Not that there's anything wrong with them, but he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Now, as far as I know, BK still in line

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Speaker 3: As he should keep fighting for it.

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Speaker 2: Brother, So shout out to Brian Kelly's son who put

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Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever related. I've ever referred to

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Speaker 3: How early are my Did you start calling your parents

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, free my boy. One, that's your father.

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Speaker 2: Two he's not imprisoned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's waiting to collect fifty four million dollars.

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Speaker 3: He did say that that he wanted his dad to

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Speaker 3: just use the word merciless, mercifully, mercilessly, mercilessly. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Is that what happened with Notre Dame in Syracuse? How

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame led after one thirty five nothing, Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh got a big win over Georgia Tech, Texas rolled Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: Are we done with the letter? Are we done with

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Speaker 3: If you go to my Twitter page right now for

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Speaker 3: it's not is Ohio State hasn't earned that. It's not

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Speaker 2: Absolutely real quick out. It's nice to go up there

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Speaker 3: I feel about the same way about Ohio State Michigan

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Speaker 3: Technology Tonight. There we go. You're like, yeah, I expect

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Speaker 2: We will take your phone calls along the way. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. I'm here till two. Austin takes over an hour.

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Speaker 2: Three I'm heading to Florence for the Tony and Mo

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Speaker 2: Football Show from three to six. We have your phone calls.

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Speaker 2: Five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty, your talkbacks,

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Speaker 2: and plenty more, including our reaction to the Cincinnati Bengals loss,

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Speaker 5: Hey Laddie, brought to you by Postman Law on ESPN

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Speaker 5: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's dive in here to a little football

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Speaker 2: in the NATI, shall we, Austin, Let's do it as

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Speaker 2: much as you know, maybe some people might just be

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Speaker 2: over it. At this point, We're going to continue to

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Speaker 2: push on. The Bengals lose yesterday to the New England

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Speaker 2: tend to nothing lead in this one before Hunter Henry, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Hunter Henry and the New England Patriots got going a

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Speaker 2: little bit. It was, I thought, Austin a game that

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Speaker 2: and he didn't have Jamar Chase, and at the core

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Speaker 2: of it all, before the game even started, I thought

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Speaker 2: Jermaine Burton air in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, I think that writing's been on

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Speaker 2: Jermaine Burton not active, and that goes to further hurt them.

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Speaker 2: Late in the game, t Higgins left due to a

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Speaker 2: just it was not going to be an easy game

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Speaker 2: going in. I think everyone around this fan base knew that.

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Speaker 2: But they did go up ten to nothing before ultimately

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Speaker 3: They forced another.

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Speaker 2: The offense went three for thirteen on third down. I

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco was only sacked once. So in a season

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Speaker 3: That's a game.

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Speaker 2: Probably yesterday where if Joe Burrow plays, I think the

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Speaker 2: You're playing without Jamar Chase, You're playing without Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 3: But you're going nowhere if you don't win that game

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Speaker 3: and beating a team like New England with those guys

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Speaker 3: line from aggressive to reckless. And Zach never went past

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Speaker 3: the aggressive line. And there were multiple times where it

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Speaker 3: felt like they had some positive momentum running the ball

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Speaker 3: and he would go away from that mean, most notably

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Speaker 3: that sequence where it was a third and one and

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Speaker 3: then a fourth and one, Chase Brown averaging five and

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Speaker 3: a half almost six yards per carry as a whole,

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Speaker 3: the team averaging over five yards per carry, and instead

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Speaker 3: of running the ball and keeping the drive alive on

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Speaker 3: third and one, Zach Taylor elects to pass Flacco, goes

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Speaker 3: deep down the field, it's incomplete, and then instead of

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Speaker 3: going for it on that fourth and one, they allow

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Speaker 3: for a delay of game penalty and punt the football

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Speaker 3: away with about thirteen minutes left to go and down

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Speaker 3: by a score. I thought that was coaching scared from

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor. I thought that was a lack of feel

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Speaker 3: from Zach Taylor. And it's become way too often of

447
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Speaker 3: a problem. Zach Taylor way too frequently kicks the ball

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Speaker 3: away or punts it back to the other team when

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Speaker 3: he should be going for it on fourth downs, it

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Speaker 3: has become an unfortunate part of the Zach Taylor issue,

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Speaker 3: and there are plenty of issues. It's getting the play

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Speaker 3: call in on time. Yeah, they took one on purpose yesterday,

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Speaker 3: But the Bengals, do you know, lead the National Football

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Speaker 3: League and delay of game penalties. We've talked about them

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Speaker 3: burning timeouts that are pointless in the past. The operation

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Speaker 3: is not clean, the feel is not there, and Zach Taylor,

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Speaker 3: I thought coach scared and there's you're not going to

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Speaker 3: win without your best players. If you're coaching like that.

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Speaker 2: There's a if you follow along with just the world

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Speaker 2: of analytics. The analytics on that play alone are strong

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Speaker 2: recommendation to go for it. So even analytically, that is

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Speaker 2: a situation where you want to go for it. I

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Speaker 2: don't quite understand, and I guess for me, Austin, the

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Speaker 2: biggest takeaway I had and you nailed it on a

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Speaker 2: day where you ran the ball for five point two

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Speaker 2: yards per carry. Joe Flacco was clearly compromised and has

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Speaker 2: been compromised. You still asked him to throw at thirty

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Speaker 2: seven times in a game where you weren't trailing by

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Speaker 2: a large margin at all. Really like it wasn't like

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Speaker 2: you were three scores down and had to panic in

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Speaker 2: a band. In the running game, you let it ten

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Speaker 2: to nothing at halftime, it was seventeen thirteen. You're still alive.

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Speaker 2: Going into the fourth quarter it was twenty to three thirteen.

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Speaker 2: You're still more than alive. And yet Joe Flacco throw

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Speaker 2: it thirty seven times. That doesn't make sense from an

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Speaker 2: offensive standpoint, and I thought that was a miss for

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati backus.

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Speaker 3: And especially when you have a quarterback that you know

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Speaker 3: is compromised, yep, and you don't have Jamar Chase there

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Speaker 3: for him to throw the ball to. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: make the point, if they have Burrow, they win that game.

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Speaker 3: I think you could say even without Burrow, if they

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Speaker 3: have chased, maybe they win that game. That's how close

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Speaker 3: it was. And in those moments, in those types of games,

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Speaker 3: you cannot, in my opinion, put it on your defense

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Speaker 3: to keep you in the game. And yes, the defense

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Speaker 3: has turned things around to an extent. I think they've

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Speaker 3: tackled better. I think they've defended the run better. They're

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Speaker 3: still atrocious on third downs and especially third and longs.

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Speaker 3: They just give up. It doesn't matter what it is,

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Speaker 3: it could be third and seventy five. They'll find a

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Speaker 3: way to give it up. But there are at least

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Speaker 3: signs of improvement. And I hope that Zach Taylor wasn't

494
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Speaker 3: fooled by that into this, you know, false sense of

495
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Speaker 3: security in belief in his defense and just a rough day.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even even when healthy, you kind of need

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Speaker 3: everything to go perfect for the Bengals just because of

498
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Speaker 3: the way the roster is constructed. And if you don't

499
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Speaker 3: play complimentary football and you don't have a head coach

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Speaker 3: that understands the importance of a specific moment or the

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Speaker 3: analytics or the feel or what you're doing well, or

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Speaker 3: the momentum. We've talked about momentum before, We've debated about

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Speaker 3: momentum before. I believe fully in momentum, and a coach

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Speaker 3: that doesn't understand that is a coach that gives you

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Speaker 3: less of a chance to win. And that's an issue.

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Speaker 2: It now opens up what will be conversations this week

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Speaker 2: Austin about meaningless wins, first draft positioning with six games

508
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Speaker 2: to play, it'll bring up a conversation this week about

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and do you play Joe Burrow on Thursday

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Speaker 2: Night when you're playing out a string of games. I

511
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Speaker 2: know mathematically there's still a chance it is the Ravens

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Speaker 2: on Thursday night, Thanksgiving Night, Ravens installed already as a

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Speaker 2: seven and a half point favor. But those are all

514
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Speaker 2: discussions now that will happen going forward because of another

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Speaker 2: Bengal loss where quote they just didn't make the plays

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Speaker 2: they needed to make, in a quote that I've heard

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Speaker 2: far too many times after a Cincinnati Bengals loss.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear from you next five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, the Monday midday Quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 5: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 6: There have been three attempts in franchise history of sixty plus.

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Speaker 6: Moneymack missed from sixty seven, Doug Telfree missed from sixty three.

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Speaker 6: Shane Graham missed from sixty two. This will be a

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Speaker 6: sixty three yard try as Evan McPherson tries to join

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Speaker 6: the club of NFL kickers who have made kicks from

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Speaker 6: beyond sixty yards. Ryan Rico on the Bengals logo waiting

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Speaker 6: for the snap from Will Wagner. The staff is good.

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Speaker 6: Here comes the kick. Loft it high into the air

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Speaker 6: bag over end kick.

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Speaker 7: Yes good, nice, haven't met. Pherson mates Bengals history with

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Speaker 7: a sixty three yard field goal, four yards longer than

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Speaker 7: the previous longest kick that he shared with Cade York

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Speaker 7: and Cincinnati scores at the gun in the second quarter.

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Speaker 3: To pull within four. How about that?

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Speaker 2: That just goes to show Austin the difference of having

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Speaker 2: the actual kicking ball in the game makes man those

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Speaker 2: it a couple of weeks ago. He was short from

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Speaker 2: like what fifty two?

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Speaker 3: I believe it was fifty four fifty four either way,

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Speaker 3: well within his range. As you can tell, they got

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Speaker 3: the kicking ball right. I was trying to think, what's

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Speaker 3: my favorite moment of this Bengals season. I was a

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Speaker 3: hit because you know the what was it, nine plays

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Speaker 3: in a row with gold to go yesterday, the Bengals

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Speaker 3: defense made a stand. I was thinking about that. I

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00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: was thinking about Evan McPherson, and then I remember, I

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Speaker 3: think my favorite part was being at lambeau Field and

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Speaker 3: watching Evan McPherson break the NFL record but it didn't

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Speaker 3: count because that's kind of like the epitome of the

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Speaker 3: Bengals season. By the way, you heard Dan in that

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Speaker 3: call mention Cade York. You know Kate York is among

555
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Speaker 3: a couple of different kickers getting a tryout for the

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Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints today. Wow, do you know who one

557
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Speaker 3: of the other kickers is? Justin Tucker? Justin Tucker getting

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Speaker 3: a try out with the Saints as well, alongside Bengals

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Speaker 3: legend Kady York.

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Speaker 2: All right, then, Cad, who's that call today? Brought to

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Speaker 2: you by that's our friends at Wynn Shoulders. I could

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Speaker 2: think of nothing, Austin, nothing better then Thanksgiving coming up

563
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Speaker 2: this Thursday and showing up or hosting your thanks Giving

564
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Speaker 2: get together, and you got all four fantastic flavors of

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Speaker 2: wind Shoulders right there at the table.

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Speaker 3: You know I packed my lunch today, Yes, and I

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Speaker 3: brought some wind Shoulders.

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Speaker 2: Very good and we have a snaric leader thanks to

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Speaker 2: our friends at wind Shoolers. Let's take a couple of

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Speaker 2: phone calls. What's up, Gunner?

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Speaker 8: Hey, Yeah, we're doing to the Happy Monday guys. First thing,

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Speaker 8: I just just got to give a quick shout out

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Speaker 8: to my dad to his birthday this week. Happy Birthday Mark.

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Speaker 8: Listen over in Lawrenceburg, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Hunter, have you ever called your dad your boy.

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Speaker 9: Boy? Did I just call him that?

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Speaker 2: No, that's what That's what Brian kelly Son was calling him.

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Speaker 2: So I was just curious.

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Speaker 3: I did see that. I did see that.

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Speaker 8: Well, maybe because my dad and I have such an

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Speaker 8: infinity for Brian kelly As and Sandy Bear Captain. I

582
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Speaker 8: think the holiday is really good, just his birthday week.

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Speaker 8: We're big fans of your guys show. Give us something

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Speaker 8: to you know, stay in touch about constantly even we

585
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 8: live you know, different different cities from each other. So

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Speaker 8: I appreciate you guys as well. And before I get

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Speaker 8: to the bangals, I got to say often, as a

588
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Speaker 8: lifelong Buckeye, I don't understand the front running. I know

589
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Speaker 8: we've lost the last couple of years, but were you

590
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Speaker 8: taking the ant out of your Twitter profile when we

591
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Speaker 8: were winning for twenty plus years in a row.

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Speaker 3: He was no gun I have a standard gunner, and

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Speaker 3: it's not being upheld at the moment by the by

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Speaker 3: the current regime at the Ohio State University. When it

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Speaker 3: comes to that game specifically.

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Speaker 8: I get it I get it. I'm I'm I've got

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Speaker 8: some weird superstitions as well. But I think we get

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Speaker 8: done this Saturday quickly. On the Bangalas, you guys hit

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Speaker 8: on most of it already. That that fourth and one call,

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Speaker 8: I mean, if that just isn't a microcosm of Zach

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Speaker 8: Taylor as the head coach of Sincannai bangles just coaching

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Speaker 8: to lose, coaching scared. I don't understand what you're doing.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you're you're three and seven, You're not six

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Speaker 8: and five. Right, we don't have this great defense that's

605
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 8: been stopping people all year. It was I had to

606
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Speaker 8: put my mortgage. I had to put my mortgage on

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Speaker 8: the on the Patriot schooling there and score and field

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Speaker 8: goal or a touchdown. But you guys hit on that.

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Speaker 8: I just I can't see this guy as the coach anymore.

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Speaker 8: I've been that way a few years. Something's got to change.

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Speaker 8: Something's got a you know, heads of guy to turn.

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Speaker 8: They've got to get him out of here. And I'll

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Speaker 8: leave you with this last thing. You know, I thought

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Speaker 8: the offensive play calling in the first half was really creative. Right,

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Speaker 8: we're missing guys. Black was a little hurt a lot

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Speaker 8: of motion, a lot of creative stuff, a lot of

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Speaker 8: running the football. Didn't see that in the second half.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I just you know, you're at a loss for words

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Speaker 8: when you see that kind of stuff with him, and

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Speaker 8: it's it's week over week, season overseas, season overseason with him.

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Speaker 8: So I'll leave you with that. Guys, have a happy,

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Speaker 8: happy holiday, spend time with your family, and look forward

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Speaker 8: to hearing from you when we get back.

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Speaker 2: Gunnar, thank you for the call, man, and happy birthday

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Speaker 2: to your father. We appreciate that. How about that at

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Speaker 2: the Gunner, It is true, though, you know you've had

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Speaker 2: for the season the worst statistical defense in the history

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Speaker 2: of the NFL. YEP, You're not gonna win games with

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Speaker 2: field goals. You're not gonna win games with field position.

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Speaker 2: You're also playing at a three and seven mark. Just

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Speaker 2: be aggressive, and you've ran the ball for all five

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Speaker 2: yards of carry, Go for it and make a statement.

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Speaker 3: And Flacco was not good, correct, he wasn't good last week,

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Speaker 3: He's not good this week. I mean, the guy barely

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Speaker 3: took any reps. You don't know how many chances you're

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Speaker 3: gonna get. Yeah, go make the most of it. I

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Speaker 3: just I can't. I can't wrap my head around it

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Speaker 3: at all. Yeah, I am one with you. What's up, Mike?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 8: Hey?

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Speaker 10: Guys?

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Speaker 9: Hey Donnard, that was a good call.

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Speaker 11: Brother.

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Speaker 9: I never heard you on air before, but I thought

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Speaker 9: that was a very very pogent.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

648
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Speaker 9: I like he was very organized and made a lot

649
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Speaker 9: of sense. My dad, who died when he was sixty three,

650
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 9: his birthday is tomorrow, and so I always commemorate that

651
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 9: he was a Cincinnati firefighter for a long time. Yeah,

652
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 9: the smoke inhalation ended up killing him from the for

653
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 9: his heart and stuff. But anyway, my dad's birthday, he

654
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Speaker 9: would have been ninety nine years old. Wow. Wow, Taylor's

655
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 9: gotta go, guys. I mean, come on, let's quit crapping

656
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 9: around here. I don't know what these guys are thinking about,

657
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 9: but I will say Jase is doing so well running

658
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 9: the ball, and the old line is getting better than

659
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 9: the run, aren't they?

660
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Speaker 13: Really?

661
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 3: They were doing everything you wanted to from an offensive line. Yesterday.

662
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: They gave up one sack and you were running the

663
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: ball for over five yards of carry and you go

664
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Speaker 2: away from it. I just, for the life of me,

665
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: I can't understand it and you go away from it

666
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 2: without Joe Burrow and without Jamar chasing the game as well.

667
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: Why you're passing the ball there if you're not setting

668
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: up to go for it and run the ball and

669
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Speaker 2: fourth down I'll never understand.

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Speaker 9: And then you get your boy Higgins dinged up.

671
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Speaker 14: Yep.

672
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Speaker 9: I mean that's a big price to pay on top

673
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 9: everything else. But let's just say it right now, the

674
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 9: Rams categorically are the best team in the NFL right now.

675
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 9: I don't know how they will be, but for now

676
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 9: they are the best team. I mean, they smacked a

677
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 9: snot out of Tampa yesterday.

678
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Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt they You cannot go against it

679
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: right now. That was one of the most impressive football

680
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: games I've watched from start to finish all year.

681
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 9: And in less Sneid, theyre GM the combination of Sneid

682
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 9: and McVeigh. They've surpassed Andy Reid now and they are

683
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 9: or whoever his GM is in my opinion, because they

684
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 9: drafted Verse and Fisk Brandon Fisk both out of FSU

685
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 9: last year on the same defensive line, and then they

686
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 9: come up with Forbes. I don't even know where they

687
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 9: pulled him out of but that guy can play some

688
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 9: serious cornerback, can't he.

689
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: There's a first round pick of the Washington Commanders a

690
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and they cut bait with him,

691
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Speaker 3: and I remember we had conversations on this show about

692
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 3: the Bengals go after him. Yep, and you know he

693
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: is really really turned it around in Los Angeles.

694
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Speaker 9: Yeah, you guys did say that. Well, you guys are clairvoyant. Man.

695
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 9: That's pretty good. That's really pretty damn good. You know,

696
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 9: my favorite party yesterday, I have to admit, for the

697
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 9: first time I didn't listen to Dan Horden laughed, Shame

698
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 9: on me. But when I found out Marvin was calling

699
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 9: the game because I picked him up on a game

700
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Speaker 9: earlier in the year, and I loved listening to Marvin sure,

701
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 9: and because he has so much knowledge and the play

702
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 9: by play guy was great because it was a network thing.

703
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 9: I was on the radio and Marvin two times he

704
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 9: got so irritated with the Bengals. It was because, you know,

705
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 9: he's kind of a monotone guy, but he actually had

706
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 9: some vim and vigor in his in his speech pattern

707
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 9: during his comments on two issues. One was towards the

708
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 9: end of the game instead of calling a time out.

709
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 9: He goes, why guys rushed to the ball, rush to

710
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 9: the ball and didn't clock it or make them play

711
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 9: or something, but don't use your last time out. That

712
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 9: just pissed him off. And then then he said the

713
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 9: thing that really just got his goat, and he said,

714
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 9: if I was a coach, this would never have happened.

715
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 9: The DB's and the safeties don't turn their heads around,

716
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 9: and that is what's killing this secondary. Yeah, all you

717
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 9: guys agree.

718
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, all valid, All valid.

719
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Speaker 2: They were penalized as well, six times for sixty five

720
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Speaker 2: yards yesterday.

721
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: So it just they they don't do it.

722
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Speaker 2: It's it's almost a similar conversation I can have about

723
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: the Bearcats as well. They just they don't do the

724
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: small things that teams with a small margin of ara

725
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: have to get done.

726
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Speaker 9: So you got yeah, I mean not even having ever

727
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 9: been a d bat DD, but I how can you

728
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 9: play somebody if you don't have some idea where the

729
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 9: ball is?

730
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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, it's fair.

731
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Speaker 10: Is that?

732
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough, and it's it's a thing that's talked

733
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: about lot when it comes to evaluating the talent or

734
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: scouting the talent of some of these young defensive backs

735
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: is their ball skills, their ability to track the ball,

736
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: they're able to find it in the air, to go

737
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: after it, to you know, get their hand in front

738
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: of it. I've said for a couple of years now,

739
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's a very well coached unit.

740
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 3: And I was surprised that Charles Burk's and Jordan Kovacs

741
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: stuck around. They were here in the Luanna Rumo era

742
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: for the last couple of years and they're still here

743
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 3: with Al Golden and that group really hasn't taken strides

744
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: forward at all. I mean, DJ Turner maybe is the exception,

745
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: and even then teams are starting to throw away from him,

746
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: so we don't see him as much. But I mean

747
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: Cam Taylor Britt that hasn't worked, Dax Hill that hasn't worked,

748
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: Jordan Battle hasn't worked, Genostone hasn't worked. I mean, there's

749
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: a long list of cornerbacks that just haven't worked out here,

750
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: and safeties for.

751
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Speaker 9: That well, I appreciate you. It's fining that to me. Awesome,

752
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 9: give me a historical back. But you know, okay, so

753
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 9: if you take your eye off the ball for a

754
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 9: second as a DD to find the ball, you can still.

755
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 9: Usually those guys are pretty fast, right, they can catch

756
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 9: up the stride or too. Maybe that they lost to

757
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 9: the guy right, But I just don't know how you

758
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 9: played that position without telling where the ball is.

759
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, I appreciate it, and Tony, you could correct

760
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong here. But I think a lot

761
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: of times now guys are taught to watch the eyes

762
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: of the hands of the receiver. That's why receivers you

763
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: hear them often talk about late hands.

764
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 9: Yep.

765
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: They don't want to show where the ball is or

766
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: where it's going until the very last second. I think

767
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: the best in the NFL at this is Devonte Adams.

768
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 3: He showed that last night, that one where he had

769
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: half a step on a guy yep, and waited as

770
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 3: long as he could, and you see the defenders watching

771
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: his hands and puts his hand out there as soon

772
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: as DeVante starts to move his hands, but it was

773
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: too late. Like that is you know, the way they're

774
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 3: taught these days, especially if you get beat, find their hands,

775
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: find their eyes.

776
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Speaker 2: One of the sobering thoughts I had last night watching them,

777
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: who are now ahead of the Eagles as Super Bowl favorites.

778
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 3: One of the things. I thought.

779
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: I went back to the Super Bowl Loston, and I thought,

780
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: and I mentioned this to Mo yesterday, if you're walking

781
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 2: out of that Super Bowl and you're thinking, Okay, five

782
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: years from now, four years from now, the Bengals may

783
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: have lost tonight, but they're going to be in better

784
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: shape than the Rams, because at that time, do you remember,

785
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: the Rams had seemingly gone all in. They were all

786
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: in for a title, They had no draft picks, they

787
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: were paying guys a lot of money. Aaron Donald has

788
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: since retired, and yet as we sit here on November

789
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, the Rams are right back in it and

790
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: the Bengals, albeit with Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow, are

791
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: nowhere near getting back to that level Ram. It is

792
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: sobering that they have run circles around the Bengals.

793
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 3: Hit on the late round draft picks that they've had, yep.

794
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 3: And they've also done a terrific job with undrafted free agents.

795
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: That's been a huge part of their success. Like they've

796
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: they've supplemented the roster a little bit with free agents,

797
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: and you know, every team does very specific role player

798
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: type of guys. But they've hit, but they've hit on

799
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: late round picks that have turned into depth pieces that

800
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: have turned into development pieces, and they've kind of hit

801
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 3: that cycle over and over again, and they've hit on

802
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: undrafted free agents. Yeah. Now, I will say this, the

803
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: Bengals do have a history of at least being able

804
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: to have some undrafted free agents and success. I mean,

805
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: Vontes Berfect is no better example than that. And I

806
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: think we've seen a little bit of that, but not

807
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: nearly as much as there needs to be.

808
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: And they just play like there was The point was

809
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: made last night, like everyone that dresses for the Rams

810
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: is expected to play a big role in the game.

811
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: They rotate guys in, they give you a bunch of

812
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: different looks. And I've said it a thousand times. Their

813
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: personnel just matches their scheme and what they want to do.

814
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: With Sean McVay, we'll take a break. We wrap up

815
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Speaker 2: our number one. When we get back, we'll get down

816
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Speaker 2: number two. We'll open it up for more phone calls.

817
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: We got more on the Bengals. We got to talk

818
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: about the Bearcats as well. Today the Monday Midday Quarterback

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station WC Welcome back Monday

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Speaker 2: Midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. You know,

821
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Speaker 2: these losses weren't as hard Austin when the Bearcats had

822
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: won their seven games in a row because you just

823
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: were able to talk about a win for the Bearcats.

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Speaker 2: Now the Bearcats have lost three games in a row

825
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Speaker 2: that are underdogs on the road at TCU. Unfortunately, going

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Speaker 2: to take a few minutes when we get back to

827
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Speaker 2: talk about another failed opportunity in Clifton on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: We'll do that when we get back. We've got more

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Speaker 3: Nip and night was so cool. That was cool though.

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Speaker 2: We've got more on the Bengals and your phone calls

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Speaker 3: All right, here we go.

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Speaker 2: It's our two Monday Mida Quarterback on the Home of

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Speaker 2: the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's uh,

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Speaker 2: let's grab one more phone call and then we'll shift

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Speaker 2: a little bit to Uh, what happened in Clifton on

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00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: Saturday night?

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Speaker 3: Mark? What's happening, buddy?

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Speaker 14: Hey, how's it going?

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Speaker 16: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Am?

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Speaker 14: I off base on this. Let me make a point.

856
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 14: I might ask a question then make a point. I

857
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 14: mean the coach Bengals coach, he coaches like he's not

858
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 14: for sure of himself. I mean, for whether this his

859
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 14: seventh season or for however many seasons he been coaching.

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Speaker 14: Doesn't doesn't it seem like he coaches like he's not

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Speaker 14: for certain of hisself and what he's doing. Like when

862
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 14: you see these other coaches like Dan Campbell, for an example,

863
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 14: when he when when when you see him coaching and

864
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 14: he makes decisions, he's certain about what he's doing, whether

865
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 14: it works or not. Yeah, he was certain about why

866
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 14: he was doing it and what he was doing.

867
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: And I think that fourth down was evident because I

868
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: think there are most coaches out there that on a

869
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 2: third and one would say, okay, let's take a shot

870
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: on third and one, knowing that you have a play

871
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: ready to go for fourth and one. And that to

872
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: me is the most that's the most criminal part of

873
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: it all. You take away running the ball, which you

874
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: did so successful to try to get one on third down.

875
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm like, all right, let's come back

876
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: and now let's just get the first down by running

877
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: the ball on fourth down. I was shocked to see

878
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: them punt the ball. But yes, I think there's more

879
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: conviction in some of the other coaches you'll see across

880
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: the game.

881
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 14: Yeah, it took you back to the Jets game, you know,

882
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 14: that second to the last series when he went and

883
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 14: shotgun for three straight plays and never ran the ball.

884
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 14: It's like, even when he's running the ball good, he'll

885
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 14: go away from it when he should be running it.

886
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 14: I never understood that about his coaching, and well when

887
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 14: I saw him this weekend, it made me think about

888
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 14: Jerry Fouts. You know when he was coaching at Moeler,

889
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 14: you know he was beating everybody. He was the he

890
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 14: was everything. At Molar, well, you know he had the

891
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 14: best players at the high school level because it was

892
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 14: open enrollment. He could get players from all over. The

893
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 14: other high school teams couldn't. They had to play. You

894
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 14: had to live in a certain district to play at

895
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 14: that school. Then when he went to know the Dame,

896
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 14: where he was on even playing field with everybody else,

897
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 14: now he had to coach and he flamed out, wasn't

898
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 14: four seasons and had to go to Akron. So I'm

899
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 14: looking at Zach Taylor. It's like when you take something

900
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 14: away from him, you take Burrow away, or you take

901
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 14: Chase or he did you take something or that defense,

902
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 14: you know the guys they had on defense, DJ Reeder,

903
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 14: you know the bon Bell, Jesse Date, a woozy Age.

904
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 14: You take those guys away. Now he has a coach

905
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 14: and it looks like he's in He looks like a

906
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 14: coasz in over his ard now like he doesn't know

907
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 14: what to do. Yeah, I mean, when the situations come up,

908
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 14: it shows that.

909
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think those are fair criticisms for what we

910
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: have seen or at this point not seen from this

911
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: team and what they've been able to do or not do.

912
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: Mark. I appreciate your phone call. Thank you. Yeah, I don't,

913
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

914
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: I I guess for me, Austin, I'm I'm still in

915
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: the mindset that that call on third down yesterday is

916
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: called with the idea that you have something in mind

917
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 2: on fourth down.

918
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you go back and look at that play.

919
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: It was, you know, one of the more basic concepts

920
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: in football. It's it's a flood concept basically to the

921
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: right side of the field, and Flacco had an opportunity.

922
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: He had a chance to hit an open t Higgins.

923
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: He had hit a chance to hit an open Drew sample,

924
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: believe it or not, and there was indecision by the

925
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: part of the quarterback that led to a check down

926
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 3: and it was too late and they didn't get it.

927
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: But I agree with you. If you're going to call

928
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: a play like that, why not run the ball the

929
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 3: next play or run any other play the next play.

930
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mindset is, let's take a little chance on

931
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: third down and then I know I got this in

932
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: my back pocket on fourth.

933
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 9: Yeah.

934
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 3: I also I think Mark's criticism there is fair. I

935
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: think Zach Taylor oftentimes doesn't know what he wants to

936
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: do before he does it. Yeah, we've talked about the

937
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: play calls led to the play calls getting in late,

938
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: the delay of games. Maybe not the k ball situation.

939
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: We've talked about. That is an annoying and frustrating trait

940
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: for a head coach to have. By the way, Zach

941
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: Taylor is speaking to the media right now. You guys

942
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: will hear that on the Tony and Most Show later

943
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: this afternoon. But Zach Taylor has said he expects Joe

944
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: Burrow to play on Thanksgiving night in Baltimore. He said

945
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: he's not ready to declare him the starter yet. We'll

946
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: see how the week goes, and Joe Flacco would be

947
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,479
Speaker 3: the backup if Burrow starts. Yeah, that's Zach Taylor talking

948
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: with the media right now. He also said that t Higgins,

949
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson, and Taj Brooks would all not play in

950
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: Baltimore on Thanksgiving.

951
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just wondered, especially with TEA with a quick

952
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: turnaround and the severity of what looked like to be

953
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: that concussion. Probably the smart decision there to withhold him.

954
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: I think there's a chance we may not see him

955
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: again this year.

956
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: Better chance to see Trey or t this year, I

957
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: would say tea, Yeah, that's pretty smart as well.

958
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 3: I don't think we'll be hearing from Trey much anymore. Nope.

959
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: Did you see him at all on the sidelines yesterday?

960
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: I didn't. They didn't show him on television. But he

961
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: was there. Okay, he was there.

962
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 2: I was there Saturday night, nip at night. They had

963
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: a drone show, which was awesome.

964
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: That's cool.

965
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 2: The crowd was awesome, the environment was awesome. The game

966
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 2: itself was anything but the game was infuriating. The game

967
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: was maddening. The game was frustrating, and in a way,

968
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 2: it was everything that has been wrong with this team

969
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: for now a couple of years. They didn't make the

970
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: plays necessary when they were presented to them. They turned

971
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: the ball over at inopportune times. They didn't take advantage

972
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: of opportunities that were presented in front of them, which

973
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 2: is the same case you can make for Utah, which

974
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: is the same case you can make for the Arizona loss.

975
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: And now the same case that you can make for

976
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: the BYU loss as well. The Bearcats on Saturday night

977
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: failed to convert a fourth and one inside the five

978
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: yard line. The Bearcats threw a inexperienced, just inexcusable interception

979
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 2: to start the third quarter from Brendan sowersby Cyrus Allen

980
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: had a fumble that went against the Bearcats in the

981
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. The Bearcats were off sides. They just lined

982
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 2: up off sides on a punt in the second half

983
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 2: on a fourth and three in which they were getting

984
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 2: the ball back and instead Byu was able to extend

985
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: their drive. The Bearcats, also on the leg of Stephen Russknack,

986
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: missed three field goals. All of this, Austin in a

987
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: game until BYU scored with fifty six seconds left on

988
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: the clock, was still.

989
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: A twenty to fourteen game.

990
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: All of those things that went against the Bearcats, and

991
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: yet with a minute left in the fourth quarter they

992
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: were down by six points. It is again another collapse

993
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: by the Bearcats. You gave me the stat today, Austin.

994
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: I don't know the official number of what the Bearcats

995
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: under Scott Sanderfield are when trailing it to half. I mean,

996
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: it's so in sixteen Owen sixteen, when the Bearcats trail

997
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: at the half. Moegger pointed out yesterday that since joining

998
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: the Big Ten or Big Twelve under Scott Sanderfield, the

999
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: Bearcats are now one in ten in the month of

1000
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: November Owen sixteen when trailing at the half, one in

1001
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: ten in the month of November. This after winning seven

1002
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: in a row, climbing into the top twenty five, being

1003
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: what seemed to be a contender for a Big Twelve

1004
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: title along the way, it is now all fallen by

1005
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: the wayside. They're seven and four overall. They're five and

1006
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: three in the Big Twelve. They're a four and a

1007
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 2: half point underdog this week on the road at TCU.

1008
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: They are in danger of dropping four straight games to

1009
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 2: end the season before going to a bowl game. After

1010
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: last year dropping five straight games to end their twenty

1011
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 2: twenty four campaign. It was more of the same frustrations

1012
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: on display Saturday night. Joe Royer was targeted just twice.

1013
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 3: Austin.

1014
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: There was an interview moe did with the Bearcat's tight

1015
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: end coach before the game, and the Bearcat tight end

1016
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: coach said Joe Royer is the best tight end in

1017
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: the Country. Todd McShay going into the season, did a

1018
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: mock draft and had Joe Royers the thirty first pick overall,

1019
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: that is the end of the first round, and yet

1020
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: against Utah he was targeted once. Against Arizona he was

1021
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: targeted once, and on Saturday night he was targeted just twice.

1022
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 2: The Bearcats also fell victim to l J. Martin six

1023
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: two two twenty five running back for BYU. He carried

1024
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: the ball thirty two times, yes, thirty two times, for

1025
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty two yards. That's six point nine

1026
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: to carry two touchdowns. As a team, BYU carried it

1027
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: forty nine times, ran it for five point four yards

1028
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: per carry. Nothing statistically went the Bearcat favor. But in

1029
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: a shock, after the Bearcats cut this to a twenty

1030
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: to fourteen game, still had their timeouts. I believe BYU

1031
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: was getting the ball back with just under five minutes remaining.

1032
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: The Godfather your best player on defense, Dante Corleone Austin

1033
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: wasn't even on the field to start the final drive.

1034
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: It was back to back first downs in which BYU

1035
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: gained six yards and then seven yards, which make it

1036
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: very hard to use timeouts and stop a team from

1037
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: gaining first downs to essentially get yourself the ball back.

1038
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: You see on that drive. Also was playing with two

1039
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: safeties about twelve to fifteen yards off the line of scrimmage.

1040
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: I don't get it.

1041
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: I don't understand it, but the frustrations for me boiled

1042
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 2: over on Saturday night. It wasn't the most winnable game

1043
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: of the three game stretch. I think Arizona was, but

1044
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: it was certainly the game that was there for the

1045
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: taking because all the mistakes that we are that I

1046
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: just outlined, and yet it was still a six point

1047
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: game with under five minutes left. But you couldn't get

1048
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: a stop, you couldn't get the ball back. Sowersby was

1049
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: okay twenty five to thirty eight on the game. He

1050
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: did throw two touchdown passes, but it's been more of

1051
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: the same. They got nothing on the ground from Tywee

1052
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 2: Walker five carries for nine yards, Evan Pryor just seven

1053
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: carries for thirty six. It was a game in which

1054
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: we saw much of the same that we've seen all year.

1055
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: BYU possessed the ball for nearly forty of the sixty

1056
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: minutes in the game. Forty of the sixty minutes went

1057
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: in favor of BYU. You see, going into the fourth

1058
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: quarter had just converted one third down on the game.

1059
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: BYU was fifty percent on third downs. They possessed the ball,

1060
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: they didn't beat themselves, they didn't have costly penalties. You

1061
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: said you didn't get to watch much of the game, Austin,

1062
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: BYU solid. BYU's not the eleventh ranked team in the

1063
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 2: country that just has NFL talent all over the field.

1064
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: They're just good. They're solid. They don't beat themselves. And

1065
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: UC does not do the things necessary and has not

1066
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: done the things necessary to win games like that, at

1067
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: least so far in the Scotts Suderfield era. As Austin

1068
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: mentioned Ohen sixteen when trailing at the half one in

1069
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: ten in the month of November, since joining the Big Twelve,

1070
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: that's not going to be good enough. And now it

1071
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: feels again as the season is unraveled. You got to

1072
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: go on the road a day after Thanksgiving, you fly out,

1073
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: you play on Saturday. You're an underdog in a game.

1074
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean anything as it relates to conference

1075
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Speaker 2: opportunity to play for a Big Twelve championship. You've slid

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00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: down that totem pole it's it's just been a season

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Speaker 2: of missus for the Bearcats, especially over the last couple

1078
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: of weeks, and they have landed themselves back into this

1079
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: feeling of kind of no man's land, and I think

1080
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: that's one of the scarier places to be in college football.

1081
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: A frustrating night. It was also made frustrating because of

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Speaker 2: what happened Friday night. UC fell to Louisville at Heritage

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00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: Bank Arena in a game in which you see led early,

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00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: they led at the half. Louisville ultimately pulls away and

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00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: wins the game by ten. Good defensive effort from the

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00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: Bearcats Friday night, very poor on the offensive side of

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00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: the ball. Bobo Miller did not play for much of

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Speaker 2: the second half, and I thought he was phenomenal in

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00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: the first half, but he went out with an injury

1090
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: at the start of the second half that certainly hurt

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00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: the Bearcats as well. But all in all, a very

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00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: disappointing weekend here locally for the Cincinnati Bearcats as Wes

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00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: Miller failed to get his signature win and Scott Sadderfield

1094
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: misses another opportunity at a marquee win for the Cincinnati Bearcats,

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Speaker 2: and what was sandwiched in between of a really fun time,

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00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: the crowd, the Atmos Big Neon kickoff. It was fun

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01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: in Clifton on Saturday leading up to nip at Night,

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Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate that this addition of the Bearcats felt

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01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: all too similar to the last couple editions of the

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Speaker 2: Bearcats as we get down the stretch. For what it's worth,

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Speaker 2: the Bearcats have also now lost four consecutive games on

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Speaker 2: Senior Day, so all things trending Austin and the complete

1103
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: wrong direction for the Cincinnati Bearcats, and it's led to

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01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: again this feeling of I guess, helplessness, a frustration. I

1105
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: don't even know what it is, but I do know

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01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: it is just just not fun. It's not fun to

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Speaker 2: have a chance to win a big game against the

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01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 2: eleventh ranked team in the country and instead talk about

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01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: miscues and being close but just not getting it done.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost laughable to point Austin. If you

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: go back to last year, Stephen Russnacht at Charlotte didn't

1112
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: miss a kick all year going into the game Saturday night,

1113
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: he missed just one on the season, and misses three

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01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: in the biggest moment in a game. You end up

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Speaker 2: losing by twelve, but you were within six with four

1116
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: and a half minutes left. You left nine points on

1117
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: the board just by and they weren't It wasn't hail

1118
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: Mary type field goals. They were all makeable field goals

1119
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: that Russknack has hit all season long. A failed fourth

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Speaker 2: down from the three or four yard line where you

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01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: ran the exact same look and play that you ran

1122
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: earlier on the drive to convert a fourth and short

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01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: maddening on so many levels and has led the Bearcats

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01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: again falling back to seven and four, with one more

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Speaker 2: regular season opportunity in front of them on Saturday in

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Speaker 2: Fort Worth against TCU, a team, by the way, there's

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01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: also seven and four and UH looking to surpass the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bearcats in the Big twelve standings. We will take

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Speaker 2: a break when we come back. The Monday midday quarterback

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Speaker 2: edition of Your Talkbacks next on the Home of the

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Speaker 2: Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, thanks to CINTI.

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Speaker 17: Shirts, WCKY, Cincinnati and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed Human ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 17: thirty I Heard Radio Backs.

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Speaker 4: Press the microphone and record your message or Austin in

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01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 4: tone please keep it.

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01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 18: Clean and don't be mean as a sprinkle sprinkle, drip, drip.

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Speaker 3: It's that time for talkbacks.

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Speaker 4: It's our favorite part of Sincy three sixty.

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Speaker 12: So Austin, buddy, play those.

1140
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Speaker 4: Talkbacks on your screen and please ride out to sabotage.

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Speaker 2: It's the Monday midday quarterback edition of your talkbacks. Thanks

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01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: to Cincy Shurtch. Thank you for listening on ESPN fifteen

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01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports station. Yeah yeah, it uhhh, it is.

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Speaker 19: It is.

1145
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm just it wouldn't surprise me.

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01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 9: No, it is.

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01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: There's a lot of them, so I'm making sure I

1148
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 3: start at the right spot. Uh So, I just headed

1149
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 3: to a little bit of scrolling.

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Speaker 11: Hacking Monday, everybody. I also hoping Georgia mow management day

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01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 11: off on Friday. Defense. I thought they played well enough

1152
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 11: to win that game, especially at the pick six.

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 3: At the offense.

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Speaker 11: Signed not to show other than Chase Brown, I show

1155
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Speaker 11: speed roller of the jungle and hey, one of those

1156
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,959
Speaker 11: family members was on the sidelines there in the former

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Speaker 11: Zach Taylor, is I show back coaching? I show I

1158
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 11: showed poor decisions and I showing up should be fired?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yikes, wow, show enough all.

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Speaker 4: Right, Hello, this is former president Ronalder again. Will it

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01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 4: wasn't a complete loss this weekend for since Addie sports fans. No,

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01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 4: the Reds didn't have a bad weekend at all. Oh,

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01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 4: And wouldn't it be ironic if Joe Burrow were to

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01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 4: come back for Thursday Night's game and lead the Bengals

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Speaker 4: to six straight victories to end the season, only to

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Speaker 4: miss the playoffs by one game? If only Zach would

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Speaker 4: have played Joe yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yep, just saying, yep, yep, yep, Blue Lima well up.

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Speaker 20: Drove two hours each way yesterday to see our best

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Speaker 20: quarterback option not play and Zach Taylor tuck his tail

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Speaker 20: between his legs on fourth and one. I've been a

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Speaker 20: Zach defender for a long time, but his seven years

1174
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Speaker 20: in the league and he still just does not get it,

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01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 20: has no feel for the game. Can't defend him anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yep. That's pretty much how I feel like Zach. I

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Speaker 3: think he's a really good coach. Offensively, he's a great guy.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like it's run its course. Hey, Tony

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Speaker 3: and Austin, it's here.

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Speaker 21: I know we have been just bashing our defense all year,

1181
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 21: all season, and they deserve credit.

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01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 3: They played so much better yesterday.

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Speaker 21: I think we all seen that. It's a good feeling

1184
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 21: because there is hope for this defense. And you know,

1185
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 21: we played very well against the Patriots, so Chase would

1186
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 21: have been playing, who knows, we probably would have been

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01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 21: able to win that game. So let's move on to Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: I think we just got a lot of those if

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01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 3: this would have happened. If hey, guys, yeah, there's an

1190
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 3: old saying out there, if ifs and butts were candy

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01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: and nuts or something like that.

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Speaker 22: Yep, hey, guys, Jim and Milford here, if you can't tell,

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Speaker 22: film pretty down a brutal weekends for Cincinnati Sports. I

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01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 22: don't know if it's going to take bus loads and

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Speaker 22: bus loads of Catholic priests to come down to Fountain

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Speaker 22: Square and do an exorcism on whatever curse is going

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Speaker 22: on in this city with Cincinnati Sports. But man, it's

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Speaker 22: just it's just brutal to live here.

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Speaker 3: I still believe. I still believe it's the curse of

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Speaker 3: Aftab pure vol and what he did going into the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two or it would have been January of

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Speaker 3: twenty three AFC Championship game, what he did in the

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Speaker 3: mockery he made fool he made of himself in the

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Speaker 3: city in Bengals fans with that dumb ass proclamation.

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Speaker 23: It's the Lord. Hey, Tony, Hey Austin. Did you happen

1206
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 23: to watch the NFL today? Do you happen to check

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01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 23: out what Nate Burlson was wearing? No, I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: There was a Star Trek.

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01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 23: Convention in town. I guess he was going to that afterwards.

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Speaker 23: I didn't know see it in prospered, Nate.

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01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 3: Do you find yourself watching pregame shows as much anymore?

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Speaker 24: Nope?

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01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: Nope, I do not.

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Speaker 25: As a season ticket whole in FC Cincinnati, I've never

1215
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 25: been so embarrassed or disgusted with a performance as I

1216
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 25: was last night. I woke up this morning and I

1217
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 25: honestly believe it's time to move on from Pat Noonan.

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01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 25: The guy has not won in the playoffs. This team

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 25: is spent money, so there's no excuse there. We need

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Speaker 25: a coach that can get us to the finish line,

1221
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 25: and clearly he cannot.

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01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 3: A lot of changes coming for FC Cincinnati as well.

1223
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 3: I know there's gonna be a lot of roster turnover

1224
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.

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01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 26: Happy Monday guys, Ken from the city here, Salt Lake City,

1226
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 26: that is Austin. You nailed it last week when you

1227
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 26: guessed where I would be. I'm impressed and flattered. Full disclosure,

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Speaker 26: I'm actually in Ogden, which is just north of Salt

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Speaker 26: Lake City. As for the Cincinnati teams this weekend, so anyway,

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Speaker 26: who day, go Rich and can go big Blue?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 27: Wow?

1233
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 3: Getting out getting up early for US yep.

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Speaker 28: One win from any team other than Zavier would have

1235
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 28: been great this weekend. West for once, just beat the

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01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 28: team no one thinks you can beat. It just seems

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01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 28: like a copy and paste. No matter what the big

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 28: game is, it gets the same result. As for sat

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01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 28: this one wasn't all on you. But man, you lose

1240
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 28: next week and I have seats the scorching hot. It's

1241
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 28: just too many mistakes and key moments in that game.

1242
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 28: And as for the Bengals, Joe, please don't win us

1243
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 28: a couple of random games here down the stretch and

1244
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 28: scared we're gonna be in purgatory, that is, draft in

1245
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 28: a Shamar type.

1246
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 3: Purgatory.

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Speaker 24: Austin and Tony, if you want to question my since

1248
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 24: he sports fandom after this, that's understandable. But I know

1249
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 24: I wasn't going to one to do this.

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01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 23: On Friday morning, I woke up when I.

1251
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 24: Looked at the since He Sports Weekend landscape, and my

1252
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 24: heart's said, we're gonna win at least one of these games.

1253
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 24: But my brain said, take the money line parlay, and

1254
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 24: that's exactly what I did. It's new too, though it

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01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 24: was only plus six fifty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot.

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Speaker 2: I talked about this on on Friday, what great value

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01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: it was, and I think a lot of people took

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01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 2: advantage of it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like we were favored in any

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 3: of the game, no, so I wasn't surprised by the

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Speaker 3: result of FI.

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Speaker 29: Happy Monday, Jens wondering if we've reached the point of

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01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 29: the season where it's time to discuss Jake Browning's restricted

1265
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 29: free agent status for next year and what his contract

1266
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Speaker 29: situation is gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, man, I don't think we have to worry

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01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 3: about that anymore. Yeah, I think you think we have

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01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 3: to worry about that. I thought he was He's just

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01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 3: a normal guy. But I do think he's technically a

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01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 3: restricted free agent. But the Bengals, they won't be worrying

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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 30: They will be to be kidding me, wrapping this city

1274
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 30: out here, Sonny hot Zona?

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Speaker 3: What up, Tony? What up?

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Speaker 12: Body?

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Speaker 30: You see basketball can't hit shots to save a life.

1278
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 30: I'm already starting to turn the seat up on West

1279
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 30: of Slap the tight bit, dude, your team can't make shots?

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Speaker 3: You see football, Coach sat see already on fire. Frame

1281
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 3: him up. You don't featre Joe worry.

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01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 30: You don't win big games.

1283
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 3: It is frustrating, you see, just frustrating.

1284
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 30: Bengals are the Bengals, and FC Cincinnati was just so

1285
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 30: heartbreaking and crushing.

1286
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 26: It was.

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 3: It was I share a lot of those sentiments. Sorry

1288
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 3: about that, my SISI peeps.

1289
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 30: I'm just a mad, frustrated Cincinnati fan out here, so

1290
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 30: hard to be optimistic in my city. Sports teams, man,

1291
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 30: especially when they get in big game situations you see football.

1292
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 30: I'm speaking directly towards you, Coach sat Man. It's like

1293
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 30: you're getting out coaching every big game. But you play

1294
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 30: against these small teams and the other teams. You guys

1295
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 30: do good, but you're gonna listen these big teams and

1296
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 30: big game situations you disappear, just irritating what you see football.

1297
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 3: I'm ready to let coach sat Man. Ronnie's going through

1298
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 3: it today. Ronnie's going through it. I feel for him.

1299
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 31: Hey, Tony, I was at the game Friday night. I

1300
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 31: said hi to you when you were walking down your

1301
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 31: seats when you first got there. Does you see do

1302
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 31: you not play the national anthem at crazy games? Because

1303
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 31: they didn't during that game, Go Muskies.

1304
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 2: I said that to my wife. I've never been to

1305
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 2: a basketball game where they didn't play the national anthem.

1306
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 2: They did not play at pregame at all. No idea

1307
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: what happened. I can tell you exactly what happened. I'm

1308
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: gonna keep my thoughts to myself.

1309
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 32: Walker from the West Side checking on here. After the

1310
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 32: possible worst weekend for Cincinnati sports. I was at the

1311
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 32: Louisville game. Really wasn't even competitive the second half, But

1312
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 32: with all that being said, we kind of suspected all

1313
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 32: these other teams were gonna lose. I saw people hitting

1314
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 32: that parlay, but Austin, you hit the nail on the head.

1315
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 32: One of the worst ones was obviously the Giants game.

1316
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 13: I was there.

1317
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 32: I was also at the Bengals playoff loss with the

1318
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 32: perfect but my personal worst nightmare in Nashville when U

1319
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 32: see Xavier both lost back to back.

1320
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 3: That's a good one. Yep, that's a good one. Forget that, man, so.

1321
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 23: And I'll tell you what's going on with theobon and

1322
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 23: diego pab your mom.

1323
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 33: She bet that's what's going on.

1324
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 3: Man, deal said, I want.

1325
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 14: A piece of that.

1326
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 34: Hey, Tony Austin, this is David from Provo. Happened to

1327
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 34: be down for the game this past weekend. I don't

1328
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 34: hold it against those kids, those rascals. They're just having fun.

1329
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,879
Speaker 35: Like I said, it was unsavory, but I'm.

1330
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 34: Not gonna hold it against some who am I to

1331
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 34: judge anyway. I'll let you guys go.

1332
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 3: Thank you, David, Thank you appreciate that.

1333
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 36: Hey Austin, Tony, this is Steve down in Parking, Florida.

1334
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 36: I made it up to the game this weekend, the

1335
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 36: since EBYU game, And I don't know that BYU actually

1336
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 36: travels that well.

1337
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 3: I just think they sent like about like.

1338
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 36: A hundred very talented fans that are just having a

1339
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 36: knack for recruiting in the parking lot before the game.

1340
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 3: Oh maybe maybe a knack for recruiting.

1341
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 19: You say, Okay, hey Joe from case here, two things

1342
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 19: one miles Garrett out here playing mad and everybody else

1343
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 19: is playing NFL football on that field. It's kind of funny.

1344
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 19: And then secondly, I'm wondering if you guys think the uh,

1345
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 19: the Bengals will get too bull eligible this year. They're

1346
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 19: gonna hit six wins.

1347
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, ball eligibility. Probably gonna rattle off about

1348
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 3: six straight here at number nine coming back.

1349
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 37: Yeah, Brian Kelly's son, he didn't fall too far from

1350
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 37: the tree. The UC student chant unacceptable, very rude, tough

1351
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 37: loss for UC football man. They gotta do a better

1352
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 37: job stopping to run. I thought the Bengals defense had

1353
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 37: some life to him, you know, O side Jenkins Stone,

1354
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 37: the linebackers, where have they been?

1355
01:13:54,240 --> 01:14:01,839
Speaker 3: I believe they were only given six six misstackles according

1356
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 3: to pro football folks. That's a day now, Yeah, that's

1357
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 3: a day.

1358
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 26: Well, they made the Pats earn it. I guess too

1359
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 26: bad they're allergic to tight ends.

1360
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hunter Henry Man, I didn't see that coming. Didn't

1361
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: see that coming.

1362
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 3: Uh, getting word here that the national anthem was skipped

1363
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 3: because there was an issue with the clock and scoreboard,

1364
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 3: and so they skipped it because people were working on

1365
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 3: the clock and scoreboard.

1366
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 38: Hey there, leaving early Tony and Austin. Tough weekend for

1367
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 38: Cincinnati sports. I got a stot bench cut of tea.

1368
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 38: Two Cincinnati mascots for you. Put Chopped from the Cyclones,

1369
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 38: Gappa from the Reds, and Gary the Lion from FC

1370
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 38: Cincinnati Tier two.

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01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know that I would say

1372
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 3: any of them are tier. I think Gapper's fantastic puck Chop.

1373
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 3: Puck Chop is a low key good mascot. Let's start.

1374
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 3: I'd start Gapper for sure. Puck Chop better than old Twister.

1375
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that.

1376
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,879
Speaker 39: Anybody knows the echo plasm all over the Bengals secondary yesterday.

1377
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 39: This totally explains the last twenty five years. Tight Ends

1378
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,799
Speaker 39: are actually ghosts to the Bengals.

1379
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 18: They can't see them.

1380
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 39: Not their fault, But who a you gonna call anyway?

1381
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 39: Audie really coming around your boys. As he said, We're

1382
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 39: gonna find a win because losing is the worst.

1383
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 3: He's gonna find that win. He's been certain high low, looking.

1384
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 39: Under every rock. He's even looking at his cookie jar

1385
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 39: for that win. Keep looking, Zach. Those unicorns and rainbows

1386
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 39: is gonna show up soon.

1387
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 3: We're close man.

1388
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 40: Hey, guys, Stephen Montgomery. The most disgusting thing about yesterday

1389
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 40: the Bengals loss was the pick six by Gino Stone.

1390
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 40: Why was it disgusting? Well, first of all, it was

1391
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 40: a horrible throw that he into and he did make

1392
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 40: a nice run back. But because of that, we'll never

1393
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 40: see Tyson Anderson or Jon and Year, despite the fact

1394
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 40: that it was Hunter Henry that kept usually running right

1395
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 40: by his zone and he loves left unattended and went

1396
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 40: off for a career high Hunter Henry, you own Geno Stone.

1397
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get the feeling. I've kind of heard that,

1398
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 3: like Tyson Anderson doesn't know the playbook like that. That's

1399
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 3: kind of and Zach kind of alluded to that last week.

1400
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 3: I think that's maybe part of the equation, which, you know,

1401
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 3: if that's the case, dear God, what's he been doing?

1402
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 3: What if you been doing this whole time? I do

1403
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 3: think we'll see Dejon Anthony though. I think we'll see him,

1404
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 3: and then we should. Tony be sick. It's the man.

1405
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 3: Here's how the rest of the season is going to go.

1406
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is gonna come back.

1407
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 18: They're gonna win three or four games, blow a good

1408
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 18: draft pick and Joe Burrow might even get her again.

1409
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 18: The Bengals are going nowhere fast and they're gonna wind

1410
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 18: up messing up their draft stock. You guys have another

1411
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 18: best day ever.

1412
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 3: Well, the draft stock's not that great to begin with.

1413
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 3: I think it's still number nine. They could lose out,

1414
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 3: they'd probably still be picking like nine to twelve. So

1415
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 3: I don't know that there's a huge difference draft pickwise.

1416
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 3: I also don't think when you when you have a quarterback,

1417
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 3: I don't think that's the right way to look at it.

1418
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 10: I forgot to mention when I saw Tony at the game.

1419
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 10: At one point, when Louisville started pulling ahead, Tony walked

1420
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 10: up and with one of his friends and said, get

1421
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 10: me to the old Smoky Moonshine bar right now.

1422
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 2: Sounds like something you would say, listen, there's not many

1423
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 2: drink choices that are normally my go to that Heritage

1424
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 2: Bank arena, if you know what I mean. So I

1425
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: found the old smoky spot right there, and I went

1426
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: and visited that for a cocktail.

1427
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 3: Do you have a drinking problem? No, I got no

1428
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 3: problem drinking at all.

1429
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 41: Thank you, hey, guys, Paul from Cleaves here, I can

1430
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 41: honestly tell you I've quit wasting my Sundays on the Bengals.

1431
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 41: The season's over. I don't expect us to win twelve games. Ever,

1432
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 41: because of the leadership that we have. I don't expect

1433
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 41: us to contend ever again. We are gonna waste this

1434
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 41: talent that we have and there's nothing gonna happen.

1435
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I hope you find something that you like, Paul.

1436
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1437
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 42: I think another positive for the Bengals yesterday was Jake

1438
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 42: Browning played pretty well. He wont Sean fourteen yards. Unbelievable.

1439
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 42: Shout out Jake Browning. Great game, dude.

1440
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I was horrified when I saw

1441
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 3: him throw that ball in the run. I was like,

1442
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 3: who's going to catch this? Great ball?

1443
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 32: Though?

1444
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,839
Speaker 3: Yep, good afternoon, gentlemen. This is Rod from Michigan.

1445
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 43: What I don't get is, if Burrow's going to play Thursday,

1446
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 43: why not activate him for Sunday for the Patriots game

1447
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 43: and let him back up case Flacco couldn't throw the

1448
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 43: ball down the field, Let Burrow come in third or

1449
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 43: fourth quarter, let Joe throw the ball down the field.

1450
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 43: And plus I want marvelus the fact though, GM get

1451
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 43: Tobin out of here.

1452
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 3: Have a good day, gentlemen. Could you imagine let's say

1453
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 3: that scenario happened and instead of Jake Browning running out there,

1454
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,560
Speaker 3: it was Joe Burrow and he throws a dot on

1455
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 3: the run and then comes back out for just back

1456
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 3: to win.

1457
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 36: Again, double dipping. This is mock draft Monday coaches version.

1458
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 36: I think we get Joe Brady as an offensive court

1459
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 36: or burro. I think we bring in Matt Patricia coach

1460
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 36: defensive minded Matt Patricia, and I think we bring in

1461
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 36: Bill Belatick as a GM.

1462
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 16: Let's go.

1463
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 3: First of all, keep telling, keep your grubby Pauls off

1464
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 3: of Matt Patricia. He has fine, fine where he is.

1465
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 3: And I want nothing to do with Joe Brady. Have

1466
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 3: you seen that offense? You want to talk about people

1467
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 3: turning on somebody. Joe Brady is not a popular guy

1468
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 3: in Buffalo right now.

1469
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 28: Negative Hey, Tony, Hey, Tony, Hey, it's Jimmy, Jimmy Clawson.

1470
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 3: I met Jimmy yesterday.

1471
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:36,959
Speaker 10: It was so good yesterday.

1472
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 12: My god, Wow.

1473
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 3: I want an environment down there.

1474
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 4: Man.

1475
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 18: Hey, I took that.

1476
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 3: I think I took that. Bill, I got to register.

1477
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 12: I didn't have that, did I?

1478
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 13: Get that.

1479
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 44: Oh man, hey, I gotta get down there and see

1480
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 44: you all one day.

1481
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 3: You and uh Austin Gilmore. I met Jimmy yesterday.

1482
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 35: Good to see Austin. I absolutely loved a My your

1483
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 35: optimism and I to sharing those optimistic qualities. But I

1484
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 35: have to agree with Mo in his tweet if anyone

1485
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,839
Speaker 35: saw it, I think there's a greater chance of Jennifer

1486
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 35: anis than going to a Bengals game with Mo than

1487
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 35: there is of the Bengals making the playoffs. Would make

1488
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 35: for great radio though, if we got around the show

1489
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 35: love that?

1490
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? Did you? By the way, there was a photo

1491
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 3: shoot a couple of weeks ago Jennifer Anderson, Oh, still

1492
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 3: bringing it? I didn't see that. So, yeah, did you

1493
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 3: see this exchange with me and Mo? Today? I saw

1494
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 3: that you're putting out playoffs prediction. So I'm going through

1495
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 3: all my stuff in the morning. I'm like, all right,

1496
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 3: finished up, let me go through the playoff predictor one time?

1497
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 3: Can I get the Bengals in the playoffs at eight

1498
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 3: and nine? And I could? I found a way so

1499
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 3: they can go five and one. It's disgusting. The rest

1500
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 3: of the way, it's disgusting and make the playoffs. It

1501
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 3: just start getting you to do different stuff with your time.

1502
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 9: Now.

1503
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: I also tried away this is not this is not

1504
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 3: a joke. I also tried a way to get the

1505
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 3: Titans into the playoffs with them winning out. It didn't happen.

1506
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 3: Couldn't figure that one out.

1507
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 44: I am broken.

1508
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 45: Final nail in the coffin for both football teams. Hats

1509
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 45: off to BYU fans were very nice and they traveled

1510
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 45: extremely well.

1511
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 3: And shame on the college kids or.

1512
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 45: Saying what they said after BYU donated twenty thousand.

1513
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 3: Yeahl and Zach Taylor?

1514
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 46: Does anybody else find his press conference is unbearable to

1515
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 46: watch them? I'm fascinated, but I try to watch him

1516
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 46: and get through them, but I just can't get through

1517
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 46: a full press conference what I want without wanting to

1518
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 46: throw my phone. I mean, his inflection, his lack of

1519
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,440
Speaker 46: self awareness just radiates.

1520
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 3: It's for jaruous to try to watch that guy.

1521
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 46: And I can't imagine what he's like in the locker

1522
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 46: room trying to give you know, pregame speeches and stuff

1523
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 46: like that.

1524
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 3: Just my goodness, don't tell your phone those things are expensive.

1525
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by his press conferences. I love watching them. Uh,

1526
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 3: And I don't think the Zach Taylor that speaks to

1527
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 3: his team is the same Zach Taylor that speaks to

1528
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 3: the rest of us. And I don't know that there

1529
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 3: are many coaches that are like that coach speaks.

1530
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, Arcus and the grove.

1531
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 18: This weekend basically put the nail and a coffin for

1532
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 18: the entire winter, Especially for me.

1533
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: I don't have much confidence right now.

1534
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 27: And Mark Poop and the Kentucky Wildcats, Oh, No, one

1535
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 27: hundred and twenty three days until we are dumping on

1536
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 27: that smoke Justice Opening Day, Baby, that's all I got

1537
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 27: before too now.

1538
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 3: Yikes, got Lee already twenty three already down the days pictures.

1539
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 16: And Bengal supply country. There's no short job, gallible Bengals

1540
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 16: fans waiting in lying to give Mike Brown their money,

1541
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 16: their time, and their devotion because out here we know

1542
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 16: what it takes to be a real fan. We're born

1543
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 16: and bred that way. You can knock us down, but

1544
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 16: we'll keep getting backed up, smiling through them broken teeth

1545
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 16: because out here we never give up, and.

1546
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 3: We always say there's always next year. Who the Yeah,

1547
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 3: let's go. Hey, keep smiling, Keep smiling.

1548
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 39: Austin, Tony TJ east Side touching on the defenders not

1549
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 39: looking for the ball.

1550
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask this question for a while.

1551
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 39: I clearly don't understand the strategy of not looking when

1552
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 39: the receiver is in the back corner of the end zone.

1553
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 39: You have two extra defenders the back line, the sideline.

1554
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 39: There was nowhere for the receiver to go, but there's

1555
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 39: still faceguard the receiver with absolutely zero idea. See what's

1556
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 39: going behind them? Should they not be playing the back

1557
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 39: corner of the end zone differently? What am I missing here?

1558
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 3: You should?

1559
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 2: It's almost like the baseline in basketball. That's how you

1560
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 2: should be playing it.

1561
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 3: Did anybody hear that weird in the background during Joe

1562
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 3: Flacker's press conference yesterday. Let me play it for you

1563
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 3: a couple of different plays, and this could look like

1564
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 3: a much different story. Oh yeah, listen, I mean, it's

1565
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 3: all about winning in this league.

1566
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 23: And you know I've talked about it alive.

1567
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 3: Did you hear that here? Let me let me play

1568
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 3: it one more time.

1569
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, listen, I mean it's all about winning in

1570
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: this league.

1571
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's Zach Taylor squeezing his clown nose. I

1572
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 3: know exactly what that is as someone who has driven

1573
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 3: many golf carts through the bowels of Paul Brown Stadium

1574
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 3: in my day. That is the sound of a horn

1575
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 3: at one of the corners. And the media room is

1576
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 3: right next to one of the corners. So every once

1577
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 3: in a while, because you know a lot of you

1578
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 3: be youlla be safe driving down there. You gotta boop.

1579
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 3: Let people know I'm coming around this corner. I've seen

1580
01:25:54,120 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 3: some accidents down there. Being a big fan of the

1581
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 3: Bengals and the Bearcats, I think all three teams suffer

1582
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 3: from the same thing. They just cannot finish.

1583
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 19: There's always an excuse if it's not the offense, it's

1584
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 19: a defense, it's turnovers, it's players are hurt, whatever it is.

1585
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 3: And I think it's all a reflection of the coaches.

1586
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 19: The coaches don't instill that confidence that we're going to

1587
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 19: take it attitude.

1588
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 3: They're just.

1589
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: It just it always comes down to dress well. It

1590
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 2: just didn't do this right today, didn't do.

1591
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 47: Any Thank you for suggesting the bet about all four

1592
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 47: Cincinnati teams losing this weekend. I know you said the

1593
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 47: all four Cincinnati teams winning thing was pretty good. I

1594
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 47: did the five dollars on each and I still came

1595
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 47: out on top of twenty bucks ahead. Because you know

1596
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 47: it's either going to be disaster or yeah, just pretty

1597
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 47: much you know it's going to be disaster. I probably

1598
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 47: wasted that five bucks on all four winning.

1599
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 33: Congratulations a Cincinnati losing weekend start Bencher Cutt.

1600
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 3: Who's more likely to lose?

1601
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 33: Tony Pike and the Anthony Bourdain sophisticated palette contests? Austin

1602
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 33: Ellmore and the Budweiser Budding. I'm the Budsman contest, huh

1603
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 33: or mo Egger in the chromas Dome contest.

1604
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,679
Speaker 3: Probably probably with Boardaine. Yeah, I'll start it. I don't

1605
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 3: even know what a Budsman is easy, Bud.

1606
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 29: I was a huge Zach Taylor defender for a long time.

1607
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 29: I would go to war for this guy. Not anymore.

1608
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 3: I can't do it.

1609
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 29: An offensive coordinator. He's great, he's amazing. He's gonna be

1610
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,919
Speaker 29: a great offensive coordinator somewhere when he leaves the Bengals.

1611
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 29: But he's not getting it done as a head coach.

1612
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 29: I don't know if he can't handle all the duties

1613
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 29: that's on his plate, but he's not getting the job done,

1614
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 29: and it's time to move on. Great guy, great offensive

1615
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 29: coordinator here.

1616
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 3: Mhm.

1617
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 2: I love Mitch Tinsley, but do you think we can

1618
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 2: get maybe a third round pick for him?

1619
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 3: He's at least the number two, number three wide receiver.

1620
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 3: Might as well. Uh no, you got no chance to

1621
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 3: get this.

1622
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 18: You're here.

1623
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 8: How come Charlie Jones runs out of bounds? Look just

1624
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 8: a battery kickoff, wants fight for the.

1625
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 3: Out of I'm just curious why it's not true.

1626
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 2: Of a full page of notes that I have from

1627
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 2: yesterday's game, Charlie Jones and the returns are not one

1628
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 2: of them.

1629
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 3: Tony Pike, your thoughts on Heaven? Brian Kelly take over

1630
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 3: for Zach Taylor. He coach the Bengals. Fox, all right,

1631
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 3: bring him here, I will. I'm done. If that's the case,

1632
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 3: I'm out.

1633
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 2: Bring him in. I am bring him in. What do

1634
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 2: you mean you're out? Putting down the microphone? You mean

1635
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 2: you're out?

1636
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: I won't deal with that guy. Wow, I won't do it.

1637
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 3: Weekly Segment. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope nope. BK and

1638
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 3: his bros. Nope nope, nopop nope nope nope. You will

1639
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 3: do this show with Kenzel Kelly, I am not doing that. Also,

1640
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 3: do you think it's funny when people call you by

1641
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 3: your first and last name sometimes like hey, Tony Pike?

1642
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think that's funny. All Right, those our last one.

1643
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 3: All right, we're very late, we're gonna break, we'll come back.

1644
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 3: I'm guessing one quick segment and then we'll get to

1645
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 3: our three where Austin will take it from there. Oh yeah, man,

1646
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 3: Well ahead to Florence for the Tony and Mo Football Show.

1647
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 3: It all comes up next, ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1648
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: Man trouble in the bed.

1649
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 5: This is football in the NATI. Blutch you and part

1650
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:45,799
Speaker 5: by Blood Light and by Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1651
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,440
Speaker 5: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1652
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 2: All Right, welcome back. It is football in the NATI.

1653
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: We are finishing up our number two here on the

1654
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 2: Monday midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Really

1655
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 2: brief here if you missed it earlier, As Zach Taylor

1656
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 2: did speak play his press conference, send It's entirety on

1657
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 2: the Tony and Mo Football Show later this afternoon, but

1658
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:10,520
Speaker 2: he did confirm Austin no t Higgins, No, Trey Hendrickson

1659
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: for sure on Thursday night. Did anything else stand out

1660
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 2: from that conversation that we've had.

1661
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 3: Yet, Well, I haven't had a chance to hear what

1662
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 3: Zach said. I have it recorded. But how long did

1663
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 3: Zach talk today? Thirteen minutes and eight seconds according to this. Okay,

1664
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 3: but here's the big thing. He said he anticipates Joe

1665
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 3: Burrow playing. That's right now. They don't really have a

1666
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 3: real practice this week because of the short week. Joe

1667
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 3: Burrow has posted on his Instagram story. Oh it is

1668
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 3: the famous photo of him wearing his Lebron James jersey

1669
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 3: in the mirror when he was probably in high school. Yes,

1670
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 3: I would imagine, yes, And the caption simply says, He's back.

1671
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 3: Let's go, Let's go. Let's go Joe, joey b Let's go.

1672
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 3: Joe appears to be coming back, Let's go, Joe. What

1673
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 3: do you got? I can't speak for everybody, but I'm

1674
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 3: a Joe Burrow fan.

1675
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1676
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 3: It's gonna make Thanksgiving better to be able to turn

1677
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 3: that into Joe Burrow is a kid from a small

1678
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 3: town in Ohio, just like me. Okay, I like Joe Burrow.

1679
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 12: I do too.

1680
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 3: He's very similar to you, a kid from a small

1681
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,759
Speaker 3: town in Ohio that made it to the big leagues.

1682
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 3: You got a couple more trophies than you do. But

1683
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 3: that's okay, a couple more still. Yeah, I'm not a Burrow.

1684
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you did. I don't think we should

1685
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,640
Speaker 3: operate from a spirit of fear. Okay, there is a

1686
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,560
Speaker 3: chance that he gets hurt on Thursday night. There's a

1687
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 3: chance he gets hurt three years from now playing for

1688
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 3: the Bengals. Every game he plays, there's a chance he

1689
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 3: gets hurt. We saw it yesterday. That's the nature of

1690
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 3: the business. That's a tough business, Yes, it is. Uh,

1691
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 3: what do you got coming up? I want to talk

1692
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 3: a little bit about my friend Zach Taylor. I don't know,

1693
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 3: but he's my friend according to a lot of people,

1694
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,759
Speaker 3: because of the ferocious defense I have laid.

1695
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 2: Out for him in the past. Yep, that's good. That's

1696
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 2: coming up next. It's the Monday midday quarterback and.

1697
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 3: Also what happens if Joe Burrow comes back and they

1698
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 3: are good again. I'm going to talk about how that question.

1699
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about this wins versus draft slots.

1700
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 3: How that could shape the conversation about the franchise's future.

1701
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 3: BANG phone lines are open to at five one, three, seven,

1702
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 3: four nine, fifteen thirty. Here we go.

1703
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 2: It is since he three sixty. Monday mid Day Quarterback

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01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1705
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:54,160
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Speaker 1: with a business degree from Thomas Moore University on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, The official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello, Welcome in final hour of Tony Pike's Monday

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Speaker 3: Midday Quarterback Here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My names Austin Elmore,

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Speaker 3: Tony back alongside Moegar about forty minutes from right now

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01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 3: for quick hits ahead of the Tony and mo Football

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Speaker 3: show that'll come your way this afternoon from three to

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Speaker 3: six at Twin Peaks in Florence. News of the day

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01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 3: is that Joe Burrow, according to Zach Taylor, is anticipated

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01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 3: to start on Thursday night, Thanksgiving Night in Baltimore for

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Speaker 3: the Bengals. The Bengals now three to eight following a

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01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 3: loss twenty six to twenty to the New England Patriots yesterday,

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01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 3: a game that certainly was winnable. Cincinnati when having a

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01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 3: ten point lead in the Zach Taylor era prior to

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01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 3: yesterday was thirty six and six. We blew that ten

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01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 3: point lead and lost by six to New England to

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01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 3: make it thirty six and seven in the Taylor era

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01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 3: and three and eight on the season. Now, you might

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01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 3: be saying too little, too late for Joe Burrow to

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01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 3: come back, and I don't necessarily disagree with that. It's

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01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 3: nearly impossible for this team to go on a run

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01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 3: and to make the playoffs. I get it, and you

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01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 3: can make the argument, and I think it's a fair argument.

1737
01:34:58,240 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 3: When there is a team that needs a lot of

1738
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 3: hole and they need all the help they can get.

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01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 3: When it comes to drafting young players, it's a fair

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01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 3: argument to say this season needs to be about next

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01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 3: year and the year after that and the year after that.

1742
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 3: So you should give other players a chance to play,

1743
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 3: whether it be Jake Browning or Jermaine Burton, or Mitchell

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01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 3: Tinsley or any of the myriad of young players on defense.

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01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 12: I get it.

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01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,679
Speaker 3: I understand that, and I would have a hard time

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01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:33,560
Speaker 3: arguing against it. That being said, Joe Burrow is the

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01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 3: face of the franchise. He's the best player. He's being

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01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 3: paid fifty five million dollars. The players on that team

1750
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 3: respect him. They I think, have a renewed focus and

1751
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 3: a renewed energy when he's on the field and in

1752
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 3: the locker room and engaged in the meetings and around.

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01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 3: I think that he in and of himself, raises the

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01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 3: standard for everybody, not just the players that he plays

1755
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 3: next to, but the coaches all the way on down

1756
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 3: and all the way on up. I believe that that's

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01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 3: the type of impact that Joe Burrow has. And this

1758
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 3: has been a season that feels like it's from hell.

1759
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 3: Nothing seems to go right. They can't seem to make

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01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 3: the right the right plays and the right moments for

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01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 3: winning football. They always seem to make the mistake or

1762
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 3: get that penalty, or drop that pass, or you don't

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01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 3: go forward on third and one, or you don't go

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01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 3: forward on fourth and one, or the punt goes through

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01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 3: the back of the end zone, or the fumble happened.

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01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 3: It's just nothing has gone right for this team. They

1767
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 3: are in this weird situation where they could very easily

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01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 3: be ohen eight or oh in eleven, or they could

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01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 3: be eight and three. Like the difference is not that

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01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 3: crazy when you think about this Patriots game, when you

1771
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 3: think about the Bears game, when you think about, you know,

1772
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 3: the Jets game, like, things could be so different. And

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01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 3: that's what I'm kind of afraid of with the idea

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01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 3: of Burrow coming back, because without him, it has exposed

1775
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 3: the various issues on the roster and I think in

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01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 3: the coaching staff, and if you're Mike Brown and you're

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01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 3: the ownership group, if you're Katie and Troy and Elizabeth

1778
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 3: and Caroline and all the members of the family that

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01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 3: operate this franchise, you surely have been taking note of

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01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 3: what has happened this year, and the ways in which

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01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 3: things have gone wrong and the reasons for which they

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01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 3: have gone wrong, and Joe Burrow not being there is

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01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 3: not a good enough excuse. Whether or not Burrow is there.

1784
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 3: Many of this stuff was going to happen, especially defensively.

1785
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 3: Now the offense maybe play some more complimentary football. Absolutely,

1786
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Speaker 3: the turnovers from Jake Browning against Detroit and Minnesota inexcusable.

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01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 3: Those things, you know, that's a fair argument to say,

1788
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 3: that's just kind of a bit of a you know,

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01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,640
Speaker 3: an outlier, and in the Minnesota game, for sure, I

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01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 3: get it. But there are plenty of issues top to

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01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,600
Speaker 3: bottom with this team. There have been a lot of

1792
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 3: things that have gone poorly. There have been a couple

1793
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 3: of things that have gone well. I think the development

1794
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:37,719
Speaker 3: of the offensive line has been a good thing. Dylan

1795
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 3: Fairchild especially that appears to be a hit on a

1796
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,640
Speaker 3: draft pick. The Bengals when it comes to running the

1797
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 3: football are the best in the National Football League over

1798
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 3: the last month. I think they're up total to like

1799
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 3: second in the NFL in expected points added per rush

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Speaker 3: and one of the best, if not the best, inefficiency

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Speaker 3: in the run game. That I think is a testament

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01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 3: to good offensive line play, good play calling, and good coaching.

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01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 3: That's a positive because that run game was atrocious to

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01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 3: start the season. And I get that there are gonna

1805
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,600
Speaker 3: be people out there that say, well, that's because of

1806
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco, and that's because of under center, and that's

1807
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 3: because of blah blah blah. Well, Chase Brown has been

1808
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:25,839
Speaker 3: running from shotgun and under center at nearly the exact

1809
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 3: same split this season as he was a year ago,

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Speaker 3: so that argument is invalid. And I do think, and

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01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 3: I heard Charlie say this Friday when he was talking

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01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 3: to Tony, that the idea of the shotgun versus under

1813
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 3: center thing is one of the more wildly overblown topics

1814
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:45,560
Speaker 3: about the twenty twenty five Bengals. I'm not saying that

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01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 3: there's no merit to it at all. I just think

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01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 3: that it's become a crutch in the argument for criticizing

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01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 3: the offense and maybe at some points criticizing Joe Burrow.

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01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 3: Here's what I'm afraid of, though, if you go back

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Speaker 3: to that twenty twenty four season and Burrow played out

1820
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,599
Speaker 3: of his mind and Chase played out of his mind,

1821
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 3: and there was so much good stuff offensively but there

1822
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 3: were just a couple of plays. There were Evan McPherson

1823
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 3: having a down year and an injury in a fumbled snap.

1824
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 3: There was Tanner Hudson fumbling going into the end zone

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01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 3: on opening Day against the Patriots. There was the de

1826
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 3: John Anthony pass interference against the Kansas City Chiefs. There

1827
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 3: were a number of things that just went the other

1828
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:38,679
Speaker 3: way for the Bengals and because of that, they missed

1829
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 3: the playoffs narrowly by one game, and going into the offseason,

1830
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 3: the conversation by Duke Tobin and those around the team

1831
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 3: basically said the quiet part out loud, which is that

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01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 3: we got unlucky this year and we're not gonna get

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01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 3: that unlucky again. And because of that, we're not going

1834
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 3: to make a lot of changes. I promise you. The

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01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 3: only reason Trey Hendrickson is a Bengal this year is

1836
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 3: because the Bengals thought they were close enough to win

1837
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. They thought they could supplement the losses

1838
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 3: of a Keem Davis Gaither and Jermaine Pratt with two

1839
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 3: new linebackers. They thought that the issues on defense were

1840
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:25,600
Speaker 3: because of the coordinator, not because of the players themselves,

1841
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 3: and they thought that all of this would end up

1842
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 3: in being a net positive, and it would be just

1843
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:35,680
Speaker 3: enough for Burrow to lead the Bengals to the playoffs again. Well,

1844
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 3: what happens when Joe gets hurt? Your backup quarterback gets exposed.

1845
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 3: For what looks like it was probably a fraudulent twenty

1846
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,799
Speaker 3: twenty three season in which he came in for Burrow

1847
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,759
Speaker 3: and had a much better defense behind him. You trade

1848
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 3: for a forty year old guy who's a great dude

1849
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 3: and has been fun to watch, and a guy that's

1850
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 3: easy to root for and put up some fun numbers.

1851
01:41:56,360 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 3: But even he couldn't overcome the deficiencies of your defense,

1852
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 3: and now he's playing compromise with a bad shoulder and

1853
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 3: out with a bad finger. You came to realize very

1854
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 3: quickly this season that last year wasn't just about being unlucky.

1855
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 3: Last year was about you don't have the talent or

1856
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,560
Speaker 3: the development at those main positions, and you didn't do

1857
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 3: a good enough job to fix it. Defensively, and it's

1858
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 3: become an issue now offensively, I think you could say

1859
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 3: took a step forward with the running backs, took a

1860
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 3: step forward with the offensive line, took a step forward

1861
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:36,560
Speaker 3: with the tight end room. I've loved the addition of

1862
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 3: Noah fan I think offensively, you know, without Burrow, obviously

1863
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 3: it's a little bit different, but some of those key

1864
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 3: spots that needed to be addressed, needed to be fixed,

1865
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 3: have been fixed.

1866
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 9: Now.

1867
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Speaker 3: The detractor there would be Jermaine Burton is still completely useless.

1868
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 3: Andre Yoshavash feels like maybe he took a step backwards,

1869
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 3: But there's the potential development of Mitchell Tinsley. I think

1870
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 3: that's a position that needs to be talked about in

1871
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 3: the off season. I think left tackle is a position

1872
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 3: that needs to be talked about in the offseason. But

1873
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:09,719
Speaker 3: your guard play got better, your center play got better.

1874
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 3: Amarius Mims has gotten better and he stayed healthy. So offensively, overall,

1875
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 3: I think you're pleased with what you got, even you know,

1876
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 3: without Joe Burrow and all the different issues that you

1877
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 3: had to fix and get better at, you got better

1878
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 3: at even in the absence of Joe Burrow. I'm okay

1879
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 3: with that. There aren't Joe Burrows that grow on trees,

1880
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 3: and there was at one point a serious group of

1881
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 3: people that thought that Joe Flacco was better than Joe Burrow.

1882
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 3: Well over the last couple of weeks injured or not.

1883
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 3: You've seen the difference between the two. And so what

1884
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to happen is Joe Burrow to come

1885
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:53,599
Speaker 3: in this Thursday night against the Ravens and play elite,

1886
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 3: ridiculous football and the Bengals rattle off six straight wins

1887
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 3: and that's used as an excuse for inaction in the

1888
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 3: upcoming off season. Now, trust me, I want them to win.

1889
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 3: I would love nothing more than for this team to

1890
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 3: rattle off six straight wins and sneak their way into

1891
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs and see what happens. There's nothing I want

1892
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 3: more I honest to God, I mean that. But you

1893
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:22,640
Speaker 3: cannot allow that to be an excuse for inaction in

1894
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 3: the offseason. What you've learned about the team through these

1895
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 3: first eleven twelve weeks, that's not or should not change

1896
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 3: from the takeaways you have at the end of the season.

1897
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 3: Yes there can be turnarounds, Yes there can be development,

1898
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 3: Yes there can be good, Yes there can be change,

1899
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,720
Speaker 3: but let us not forget what we've seen over the

1900
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 3: last eleven games, and don't let a few more games

1901
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 3: five or six or four, whatever it might be. I

1902
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 3: just accidentally threw my pen across the room. Don't let

1903
01:44:55,360 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 3: that be a detractor from action in the offseason. If

1904
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 3: you've heard me at all, I've said it extensively. The

1905
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:07,679
Speaker 3: Bengals have the cap space and the flexibility to improve

1906
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 3: their roster next year. One of the big issues with

1907
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 3: the Marvin Lewis era, starting in really if you go

1908
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 3: from like two thousand and nine through that twenty fifteen

1909
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:21,640
Speaker 3: or sixteen season, is that they built a roster that

1910
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,600
Speaker 3: was capable of winning and getting to the playoffs, and

1911
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 3: each year they didn't do enough to improve it because

1912
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 3: it was almost as if, oh, we're good enough to

1913
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 3: get to the playoffs. If that's the case, who knows

1914
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 3: what can happen. If we're good enough to get to

1915
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 3: the playoffs, something's finally going to go our way. If

1916
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 3: we're good enough to go to the playoffs, we don't

1917
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 3: need somebody to put us over the top. And so

1918
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 3: each year the Bengals would kind of do the same thing.

1919
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,720
Speaker 3: They'd sign some mid level guy on the third or

1920
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 3: fourth day of free agency who really wouldn't have that

1921
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 3: much of an impact, but they could kind of say

1922
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 3: they did something. And back then they drafted halfway decent.

1923
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 3: But because they put the same plan in place every

1924
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 3: off season, the same result would happen every season. They'd

1925
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:13,799
Speaker 3: get to the playoffs and they'd lose because they didn't

1926
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 3: do enough to build the roster around the players that

1927
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 3: they had. And that's what I'm afraid of happening with

1928
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 3: this iteration of the Bengals. Now that they've paid the quarterback,

1929
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 3: now that they've paid the wide receivers, now that they've

1930
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 3: gone through yet another feud with Trey Hendrickson, are you

1931
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 3: able to build a roster around the players you have?

1932
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 3: Are you able to develop the young players? Are you

1933
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 3: able to actually execute your plan? The Bengals plan has

1934
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 3: been pretty clear, young players, young defenders, spend money on offense,

1935
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,439
Speaker 3: draft and develop on defense. The plan is clear, and

1936
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 3: I can understand the plan, and I appreciate the plan.

1937
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 3: It hasn't worked. And you cannot let nine to eight

1938
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 3: last year lead to an off season of inaction. You

1939
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 3: cannot let no matter what happens this year, whether the

1940
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 3: Bengals go on a run and do the same thing

1941
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,640
Speaker 3: this year as they did last year, or whether they

1942
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:13,760
Speaker 3: go winless the rest of the way, with or without

1943
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, you cannot allow yourself to think that this

1944
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 3: play against the Bears, or that play against the Jets,

1945
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,799
Speaker 3: or this play against the Patriots, or that moment against

1946
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 3: the Steelers, or that moment against Denver or that moment

1947
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 3: against Detroit, that's enough to say, Okay, that's not going

1948
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 3: to happen next year. We've got the things or the people,

1949
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 3: or the places or the coaches that we like, so

1950
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:42,640
Speaker 3: let's go forward with them. You cannot afford to have

1951
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 3: another season of inaction, another off season of inaction, and

1952
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 3: you cannot look back at the moments or the bounces

1953
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 3: or the luck of the twenty twenty four season or

1954
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:57,560
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five season and say, you know what,

1955
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 3: we're closer than people think. And I don't know that

1956
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,519
Speaker 3: that would work for Duke Tobin. Again, now we all

1957
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 3: know that Duke very rarely speaks. And I've said on

1958
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 3: this show and I stand by it. A guy who

1959
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:16,720
Speaker 3: allows someone else to get up there and take the

1960
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 3: arrows for his failures, allows someone else to answer for

1961
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 3: his shortcomings. A guy who never goes up there and

1962
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 3: takes accountability for his own actions, I think that's a

1963
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:32,560
Speaker 3: reflection of poor character. I don't know Duke Tobin. I

1964
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 3: don't know anything about Duke Tobin, but just from what

1965
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 3: I do know and what I do see of him,

1966
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 3: that to me is a reflection of poor character. And

1967
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 3: I hope that Duke Tobin is starting to feel the heat,

1968
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 3: and I hope that Mike and Katie and Troy and

1969
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,600
Speaker 3: everybody up there is putting the heat on him and

1970
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 3: on Zach Taylor. Because you know what's weird about this

1971
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 3: whole thing with Duke Tobin. Really, over the last twenty

1972
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 3: five years, since he's been here, his name has not

1973
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 3: really been brought up. It's not really been raked over

1974
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 3: the coals, it's not really been on the hot seat.

1975
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 3: Nobody's really pointed the finger at him. But I think

1976
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 3: because of the job Zach Zach Taylor has done coaching

1977
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 3: the offense, and what Joe and Jamar did last year

1978
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 3: and what Flacco to an extent, has done this year,

1979
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 3: and the fact that that's an offensive minded coach with

1980
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:30,560
Speaker 3: really good offensive players and they haven't been able to

1981
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 3: draft and develop on defense, that to me means that

1982
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:37,679
Speaker 3: most people are looking around saying, hey, wait a minute,

1983
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor's doing his job. Joe Burrow and those guys

1984
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 3: have done their job offensively, Why is this defense so bad?

1985
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 3: And you fired Louis in a rumo he's having success

1986
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 3: in the fingers start coming back towards Duke Tobin. This

1987
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 3: is new for us. This is uncharted territory, uncharted territory

1988
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 3: for the Bengals because Duke Tobin's never been in the

1989
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 3: crosshairs bere and now he is. A couple of weeks ago,

1990
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:08,680
Speaker 3: Mike Florio Pro Foot Pro Football Talk says there are

1991
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 3: rumblings about Duke Tobin getting fired. I read in The

1992
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 3: Athletic this morning that there are NFL insiders wondering about

1993
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 3: the future of Duke Tobin. I read on ESPN a

1994
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 3: list of four NFL executives that should be under the

1995
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 3: hot seat, and Duke Tobin was one of them. I

1996
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 3: hope he's feeling the heat. He should be feeling the heat.

1997
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 3: He's not the only one. We'll get into Zach Taylor

1998
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 3: in just a moment. But I hope that that spurs

1999
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 3: some action from this group. And you don't look at

2000
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 3: what happened last year and look at what happened this

2001
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:50,600
Speaker 3: year and say, you know what, we're really not that

2002
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,560
Speaker 3: far away. Because I don't know if you've watched this

2003
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 3: defense play, and while they have been better the last

2004
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 3: two weeks, they are still miles and miles and miles

2005
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 3: and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles

2006
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 3: and miles away from being a championship caliber defense. And

2007
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 3: if we're taking ourselves seriously, if we're telling the truth,

2008
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 3: if we're in all this for the right reasons, it's

2009
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 3: about championships and nothing else. The standard has to be upheld.

2010
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 3: That's why I'm glad Burrow's coming back, because I think

2011
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 3: Burrow holds people to a standard, and I hope and

2012
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 3: I think in the past we've seen it a little

2013
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 3: bit that Burrow can put the pressure on the organization

2014
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 3: to uphold that standard as well. I'm not just talking

2015
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:36,639
Speaker 3: about the ownership group. I'm talking about Duke Tobin. I'm

2016
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 3: talking about Zach Taylor. Let's keep talking about Zach when

2017
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 3: we get back. ESPN fifteen thirty.

2018
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 48: Hey, it's ma Legger. What a miserable football weekend in Cincinnati.

2019
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 48: We have a lot to talk about today on the

2020
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 48: Tony and Moll Football Show. Join us at Twin Peaks

2021
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 48: in Florence, starting at three zero five on ESPN fifteen

2022
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 48: thirty Cincinnati sports station man truck.

2023
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 3: Tony Pike's Monday midday quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty on Austin

2024
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 3: No More. My apologies for my voice not quite as

2025
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 3: strong as it's been in the past. I one of

2026
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 3: my best friends got married this weekend, and you know,

2027
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 3: I'm in the wedding party, and you know, there's a

2028
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:22,720
Speaker 3: lot of fun that's had, a lot of drinks that

2029
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 3: are had. It's a little bit cold November air. But

2030
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 3: I also had the honor of doing the introductions for

2031
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 3: the wedding party into the reception, including my own name,

2032
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 3: and I got I really got into a flow state.

2033
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 3: I reached a flow state. I turned into like the

2034
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five Chicago Bulls, you know, bringing those people out,

2035
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 3: saying the man in the middle and all that. I

2036
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,640
Speaker 3: couldn't speak for like hours afterwards. I really did a

2037
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 3: number on my voice. But we've recovered greatly, I think,

2038
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 3: better than I expected. So I appreciate you bearing with me.

2039
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 3: Hopefully back to full strength tomorrow, because I'm gonna go

2040
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 3: nonverbal from three pm until noon again tomorrow, at least hopefully.

2041
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:04,639
Speaker 12: By the way.

2042
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 3: At Audiel Moore A U T Y E.

2043
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:07,920
Speaker 36: L M.

2044
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 3: O ri E on Twitter. I put up a poll question,

2045
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 3: if the Bengals move on from Zach Taylor, would you

2046
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 3: consider his tenure a success? You have two options. You

2047
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,000
Speaker 3: vote yes or you vote no. Those are the only

2048
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 3: two options. I don't need a reply explaining something else.

2049
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 3: I want yes or I want no. If the Bengals

2050
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 3: move on from Zach Taylor, would you consider his tenure

2051
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 3: a success? While you go, vote on that, we'll get

2052
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,320
Speaker 3: to Zach in a minute. We've got time for a

2053
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:40,599
Speaker 3: couple of phone calls. Let's start with Brian in Fort Thomas.

2054
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 3: What's up, Brian? Oh hey, what's going on on?

2055
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 13: How you going?

2056
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm good man? What's on your mind?

2057
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:47,639
Speaker 13: Oh?

2058
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 9: So, I agree?

2059
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 44: Like my biggest fear about the next the rest of

2060
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:55,679
Speaker 44: the football seasons that they go they win out because

2061
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,600
Speaker 44: Joe's just he's the best player I've ever seen in

2062
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 44: the Bengals uniform. And then they find out as the

2063
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 44: excuse to not do anything with Zach or Duke or anything,

2064
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:08,680
Speaker 44: and it's going to be the status quo, and then

2065
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 44: we're going to be in the same situation. I don't

2066
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 44: just want to make it to the playoffs. We should

2067
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 44: have like a real chance to win a Super Bowl,

2068
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 44: like one top teams in the league, and I just

2069
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:24,439
Speaker 44: don't understand how, you know, anything else is acceptable, Like

2070
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 44: just sneaking in the playoffs isn't good enough for we

2071
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 44: have We have a top five quarterback in the league.

2072
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 44: We should be able to be one of the top

2073
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 44: teams and you know, one of the top seeds every

2074
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 44: single every single season. So that's that's my concern about

2075
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 44: the upcoming week. I don't want to root against the Bengals,

2076
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,520
Speaker 44: but I surely don't want them to go in to

2077
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 44: tearor I mean, I feel terrible saying that because I'm

2078
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 44: you know, I'm a bit.

2079
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 3: Of faan my whole life.

2080
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 44: But it's I just really think, Zach, it's just time

2081
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:56,720
Speaker 44: to move on. We just not his tenure has any success.

2082
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 44: So I'm, yes, I'm not on the socials, and I

2083
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 44: think he's you know, very successful, you know tenure. He's

2084
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 44: brought me my great my best moment as fans ever,

2085
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 44: So like it's, uh, it's that's just how I feel.

2086
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 44: And this is not the worst sports week in Cincinnati history.

2087
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 44: I mean, oh five, when Carson got hurt, that was

2088
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 44: much much worse than us, Like we knew. We knew

2089
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 44: the Bangals weren't going anywhere this year. We knew that

2090
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 44: the fair Casts aren't going anywhere this year. FC. Yes,

2091
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 44: that was terrible, that was a shilling, but oh five

2092
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 44: when Carson got.

2093
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 14: Hurt, that was just wow.

2094
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 44: It Yeah, took all the all the way out of

2095
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 44: our sales because that team was incredible. They were probably

2096
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 44: the tablers won the Super Bowl.

2097
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I think they could win the Super Bowl.

2098
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 3: That five team could have won A Brian, thank you

2099
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:49,680
Speaker 3: for the phone call. Yeah, you're exactly right, Like you're

2100
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 3: stuck between wanting things to happen that demand the change

2101
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 3: that you think can take the organization to the next level,

2102
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 3: and also so being a fan and wanting your team

2103
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,480
Speaker 3: to win and wanting your players to do well. And

2104
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 3: it's been like seventy five days since the Bengals last

2105
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 3: won a game. I think coffee tastes better on Mondays

2106
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 3: after the Bengals win on Sunday. I love that feeling.

2107
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 3: I love waking up and reading about it and blah

2108
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:19,880
Speaker 3: blah blah instead of I'm reading about losses and this

2109
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,480
Speaker 3: just happened this year. So I get where you're coming from.

2110
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 3: I've always kind of taken the stance that you should

2111
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 3: never root for your team to lose. I think I

2112
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 3: still feel that way, but I certainly understand that mindset.

2113
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 3: One more quick phone calls going to Dave and reading Dave,

2114
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 3: what do you got?

2115
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Austin, I was a you hit Mike on before

2116
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 13: you're talking about he's talking about having Marv A. Lewis one.

2117
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 13: There's talking about defensive backs my bikers junior high Loggiment's back.

2118
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:54,760
Speaker 13: But I was always taught it's your beat. You you,

2119
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 13: you gotta get your head around it. I'm gonna call

2120
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 13: pass their forth most tabo. You can tell the ball's

2121
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 13: coming by the look the eyes received. Its just automakely

2122
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 13: of all eyes get bigger when they come. But what

2123
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 13: I want to talk about, though, was Tony was asking

2124
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,120
Speaker 13: if there's ever a more miserable weekend and sports. I

2125
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 13: can give you a day that was more miserable and

2126
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,720
Speaker 13: the old times, you guys will remember. It's being young.

2127
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:20,320
Speaker 13: But hopefully Mike's listening, he might remember if he's in

2128
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 13: not States the time. But the Reds were playing the

2129
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 13: Oakland A's in Game seven of the World Series, and

2130
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 13: back then they had for some reason they had. They

2131
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:33,879
Speaker 13: had the games all in the afternoon in the weekends,

2132
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 13: NBC had the game and the Red of the Course

2133
01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:40,240
Speaker 13: lost the heartbreaker off every game by one run that series.

2134
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 13: And then they so then the NBC also had the

2135
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 13: AFC games football games, so they had the game. They

2136
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:50,560
Speaker 13: had all this cell braces, all this stuff. They switched

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Speaker 13: to the Bengals football game you had. They're playing the Rams,

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Speaker 13: a big game of time. They're showing the video of

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Speaker 13: the game, but they got the audio of the Kansas

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Speaker 13: City Chiefs Oakland Raiders game, and the Raiders fans, they said,

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01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,680
Speaker 13: the Open Raiders, you know, the Oakland fans just found

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Speaker 13: out their team won the World season cheering. You're hearing

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Speaker 13: this while you're watching the Bengals fumbling the opening kick

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Speaker 13: off and he lost the kickoff, and it was a

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Speaker 13: big game. Anyway, you might've known about this game is

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Speaker 13: notorious that the Bengals actually came back and Horse Muleman

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01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 13: missed like three twenty five thirty yard field goals in

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Speaker 13: a row toward the end of the game when it

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Speaker 13: was tied twelve to twelve, and they wound up losing

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Speaker 13: that game on a field goal. They had a roughing

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Speaker 13: up Passerpelly. It said them most like a forty eight

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Speaker 13: yard fieldle. Their ticker made it and the Bengals lost

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Speaker 13: that game. You just imagine how miserable was Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely some salt in the wound after experiencing that, Dave,

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Speaker 3: thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it. Yeah,

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01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:57,920
Speaker 3: that's what Tony was searching for some of those those

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Speaker 3: awful Cincinnati sports weekends. I mean, anytime you lose the

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Speaker 3: World Series, that certainly would go into it. I obviously

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01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 3: think back to the Bengals losing against the Rams in

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, which was part of my poll question,

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Speaker 3: if the Bengals move on from Zach Taylor, would you

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Speaker 3: consider his tenure a success? Updated results Fifty five percent

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Speaker 3: say yes, forty four percent say no. Now for me,

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Speaker 3: I say yes. He was part of the team that

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Speaker 3: drafted Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and T Higgins, part

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Speaker 3: of the team that signed Trey Hendrickson, won back to

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Speaker 3: back AFC North titles, went to back to back AFC

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Speaker 3: Championship games, won an AFC Championship game, broke the playoff

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Speaker 3: drought well in five playoff games in two years. The

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Speaker 3: Hubbard yard dash and obviously a Super Bowl appearance. All

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Speaker 3: those things I think mean his tenure was a success,

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Speaker 3: and I don't put all of the blame of their

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01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:56,280
Speaker 3: failures on him. He deserves it some of it, a

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Speaker 3: chunk of it, not all of it. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's I kind of in a nutshell, how I feel

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Speaker 3: about Zach Taylor this year.

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Speaker 12: I like Zach.

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Speaker 3: I've said that many times. I think he's a really

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Speaker 3: good offensive coach. I think he's a smart offensive coach.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know that Zach really is the one

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Speaker 3: who moves the needle. I don't know that the Bengals

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Speaker 3: win games because of Zach Taylor. I think he's done

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Speaker 3: a good job building scheme around players. I think the

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Speaker 3: emergence of Jamar Chase's an example of that. I think

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow to an extent is an example of that.

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Speaker 3: I think the way that they've rebuilt the run game

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Speaker 3: multiple times, both in that twenty one season so far

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02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:40,919
Speaker 3: this season, I think that's an example of his ability

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Speaker 3: as a head coach and his ability to adjust the offense.

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Speaker 3: I think he's hired some smart people like Dan Pitcher,

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Speaker 3: like Justin Rascotti, like Troy Walters. I think he's also

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Speaker 3: failed in hiring people. By the way, you can add

2193
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Speaker 3: Louis Ruin to that list of good people that he's hired.

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Speaker 3: I think he's also failed in hiring people offense of

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Speaker 3: line coaches like Frank Pollack and Jim Turner. Marion Hobby

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Speaker 3: the defensive line coach to an extent al golden right now,

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Speaker 3: maybe not exactly what we expected him to be. There

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Speaker 3: have been issues with staffing. There continue to be game

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Speaker 3: management and clock management issues. Feel and momentum and understanding

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02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:26,720
Speaker 3: of the moment not great, analytics not great. All of

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Speaker 3: these things make me feel like, yes, Zach Taylor is

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Speaker 3: a good coach and there's something about him that works

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Speaker 3: with this particular group of offense. However, it's hard to

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Speaker 3: argue that this whole thing with Zach hasn't run its course.

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Speaker 3: The way that you feel after a game, a game

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Speaker 3: like yesterday, where it's like, damn, if the head coach

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02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:50,440
Speaker 3: would have been buttoned up, maybe we had a chance

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Speaker 3: to win this game. You should never feel that way

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Speaker 3: about your coach. And I think the point that Mark

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Speaker 3: brought up earlier is a good one. Indecisive, maybe never

2211
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Speaker 3: fully sure of who he is and what he wants

2212
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Speaker 3: and who he wants to be and how he wants

2213
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Speaker 3: to do it, and not a good enough consistency or

2214
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Speaker 3: feel of that part of his game I think has

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02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:15,160
Speaker 3: led to the Bengals losing games. I don't know that

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02:02:15,240 --> 02:02:16,960
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of times where you point the finger

2217
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Speaker 3: and say, yes, he's the reason they won. It's happened,

2218
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:24,560
Speaker 3: but not a lot, and that's a major issue. But

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Speaker 3: I think one of the other issues here is if

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Speaker 3: the Bengals decide to move on from Zach Taylor, who

2221
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Speaker 3: do you want to replace him? I have a list,

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Speaker 3: I have three different lists here that I'm really curious

2223
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:42,040
Speaker 3: to know what you think or if you think any

2224
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Speaker 3: of these guys are an upgrade from Zach Taylor. Clint Kubiak,

2225
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Speaker 3: Chris Shula, Eric b Enemy, Dion Sanders, Mike Zimmer, Matt Eberflus,

2226
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Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury, Antonio Pierre, Brian Daball, Todd Monkin, Arthur Smith,

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Speaker 3: Zach Orr, lou An Arumo. What about Mike McCarthy, Jeff Halfley,

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Speaker 3: John Gruden, Vance, Joseph Doug Peterson, Brian Flores, Joe Brady,

2229
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Speaker 3: Robert Salah, Jesse Minter, Dan Pitcher, Ajiro Evero, Sean McDermott,

2230
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Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefanski, Brian Callahan, Pete Carroll, Raheem Morris,

2231
02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:42,240
Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon, Brian Kelly, Chip, Kelly, Shane Bowen, Lane Kiffen.

2232
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Speaker 3: That's every possible available coach or potentially available coach that

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02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:50,440
Speaker 3: I could come up with.

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Speaker 12: In that list.

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Speaker 3: I think there's maybe five guys that I would be

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02:03:54,560 --> 02:04:00,600
Speaker 3: mildly interested in. And I do think that the idea

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Speaker 3: of the experience having worked with Duke Tobin, having worked

2238
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Speaker 3: with the Brown family, that counts for something. And I

2239
02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:14,240
Speaker 3: think that is part of the reason why they might

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Speaker 3: want to hang on, or he might want to hang on,

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Speaker 3: or why it ends up where those two sides stay together.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't think there's a name on this list

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Speaker 3: that really jumps out at you is like, yes, you

2244
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:30,920
Speaker 3: have to have it. If Kevin O'Connell was out there,

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02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:34,920
Speaker 3: maybe I'd feel differently. If Sean mcvagh was out there,

2246
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,720
Speaker 3: maybe i'd feel differently. Or Andy Reid, i'd feel differently.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know that that name exists on this list.

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02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:42,760
Speaker 3: I don't know that Zach Taylor qualifies as one of

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Speaker 3: those names either. I just don't know if they're in

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Speaker 3: a good spot altogether. And it almost feels like we'll

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Speaker 3: see what happens this year, and we'll see what happens

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02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:01,200
Speaker 3: next year before we make that time decision right, wrong

2253
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:04,160
Speaker 3: or indifferent. That's the vibe that I get about this now.

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02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:07,080
Speaker 3: If they completely unravel with Joe Burrow and it continues

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Speaker 3: to be this ugly, I think maybe there's a chance

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Speaker 3: that that it does happen. I just don't know if

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02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 3: it will, but I certainly can understand it. And I

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02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:24,000
Speaker 3: feel like Zach and his time here has run its course.

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02:05:24,760 --> 02:05:28,000
Speaker 3: I do consider his tenure to be a success. But

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02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:33,560
Speaker 3: it just feels like they they win in spite of

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Speaker 3: him more than they win because of him, and he

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Speaker 3: in his hand in building the roster and scouting the

2263
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Speaker 3: players and building the coaching staff, all that together, you know,

2264
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Speaker 3: I think that plays a hand in the shortcomings of

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Speaker 3: this team and how it feels like the only way

2266
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 3: they win is if they're damn near perfect, and that's

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02:05:58,840 --> 02:06:01,840
Speaker 3: no way to survive the new National Football League. Take

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Speaker 3: a break. We'll come back ESPN fifteen thirty at a.

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Speaker 12: Need fuel.

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Speaker 3: Short segment here because We're gonna go out the Twin

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02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:17,880
Speaker 3: Peaks in Florence and talk to Tony Pike and Moe Egger.

2272
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Speaker 3: Tony and Mo Football show coming up this afternoon. They

2273
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:25,760
Speaker 3: will have in its entirety the press conference with Bengals

2274
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Speaker 3: head coach Zach Taylor. Zach said earlier today he anticipates

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow to play on Thanksgiving Night in Baltimore. Joe

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02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:40,120
Speaker 3: Burrow posting on his Instagram story earlier today that he's

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Speaker 3: back the photo famous photo of him when he was

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02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:47,560
Speaker 3: in high school with the lebron James Jersey on in

2279
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Speaker 3: the mirror, with the caption saying He's back. You know

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02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:54,120
Speaker 3: who else is back today? Jamar Chase back in the

2281
02:06:54,160 --> 02:06:59,120
Speaker 3: Bengals facility off his suspension for spitting on Jalen Ramsey.

2282
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Speaker 3: I thought this note from Dan Horde was interesting, said

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Speaker 3: because Jamar Chase was not allowed in the Bengals facility

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Speaker 3: last week, he worked out privately for several days at

2285
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:15,720
Speaker 3: the University of Cincinnati's new Shaikeley indoor practice facility. Dan

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Speaker 3: said he asked Chase about it today, said he came

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02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:22,520
Speaker 3: away impressed with that facility. So that's cool that the

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Speaker 3: Bengals and Bearcats come together there and they allowed Jamar

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Speaker 3: Chase a place to work out while he was away

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Speaker 3: from the team. Jamar, of course, expected to play a

2291
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:36,200
Speaker 3: big role in Baltimore on Thursday night. We'll take a break,

2292
02:07:36,240 --> 02:07:38,400
Speaker 3: we'll come back. We'll talk to Tony and Mo next.

2293
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Speaker 3: This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 17: It's time for Sincy three sixty quick hits on ESPN

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Speaker 17: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Was looking for Mo. Well, I think we found Mo

2297
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Speaker 3: and I think we found Tony. The Tony and Mo

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Speaker 3: Football Show coming up from Twin Peaks in Florence. Hello, fellas, Audie,

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Speaker 3: how are we doing?

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Speaker 9: Hello?

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Speaker 3: You know I'm not doing two bad Mo. How was

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Speaker 3: your weekend?

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Speaker 26: Hm?

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Speaker 12: Hmm, let's see. I got to spend some quality time

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02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:15,240
Speaker 12: with my family Saturday morning. That was fun. Yeah, took

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02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:17,440
Speaker 12: my daughter out for pancakes. It was a good time.

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02:08:21,240 --> 02:08:23,360
Speaker 12: That's about it. The rest of it wasn't awesome.

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02:08:25,160 --> 02:08:26,520
Speaker 3: A time at the Grail was fun.

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02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:28,800
Speaker 12: Time at the game with Ken Brew yesterday morning was

2310
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:29,840
Speaker 12: a blast. That was a good time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I thought, uh, I thought we had good broadcast

2313
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:33,920
Speaker 12: this weekend to.

2314
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:38,680
Speaker 3: The entire show that you guys do with Ken. But

2315
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:40,920
Speaker 3: I was able to listen to the whole thing this week.

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02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:42,080
Speaker 3: You guys were wonderful.

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Speaker 48: Well, thanks, thanks very much. My father in law told

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02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:50,880
Speaker 48: my wife that I sounded drunk. I was talking about

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02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:52,400
Speaker 48: cheese spread. He sounded drunk.

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Speaker 3: So we had gift We had gift certificates available.

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Speaker 12: We had we had plenty.

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02:08:58,400 --> 02:08:58,560
Speaker 45: For that.

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02:08:59,120 --> 02:09:02,720
Speaker 48: Have some more the next one. But it wasn't a

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02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:04,520
Speaker 48: great weekend. But we're gonna have a lot of fun

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Speaker 48: today here at Twin Peaks in Florence. And I'll pull

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Speaker 48: back the curtain because some folks have asked me, how

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02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:14,600
Speaker 48: do you decide which Twin Peaks you go to? And

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02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:17,600
Speaker 48: it always revolves around this week. It's kind of like

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02:09:17,680 --> 02:09:21,040
Speaker 48: Red's opening Day, like the baseball season has to start

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Speaker 48: in Cincinnati this week. We always have to be at

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02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:27,920
Speaker 48: the Florence location because this week here we're allowed to

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Speaker 48: use the letter M and we can call it the

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02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:33,840
Speaker 48: Tony and Mo Football Show, whereas on the other side

2334
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Speaker 48: of the river, you know, it's that week where you

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02:09:35,640 --> 02:09:38,880
Speaker 48: can't use the letter M the week couldn't call the

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02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:40,080
Speaker 48: show by its proper name.

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02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:44,520
Speaker 3: Smart Yeah, no, you may have missed the conversation I

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02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:47,080
Speaker 3: had with Tony earlier, but I heard it. Yeah, I'm

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02:09:47,160 --> 02:09:50,120
Speaker 3: kind of at a point now where it's it's I'm

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02:09:50,120 --> 02:09:53,360
Speaker 3: a broken name the game. Just please God win the game.

2341
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:56,120
Speaker 3: I don't care about anything else but please win the game.

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02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:58,280
Speaker 3: But you know, I think a similar type of matchup

2343
02:09:58,320 --> 02:09:59,920
Speaker 3: with TCU coming up this weekend.

2344
02:10:00,160 --> 02:10:04,160
Speaker 12: You know you could feel it I am Game Day

2345
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:05,920
Speaker 12: or Big New to Coffee.

2346
02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:12,240
Speaker 3: Ye, both, both for either UC football or UC basketball.

2347
02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:15,280
Speaker 3: Are there any silver linings to take from those losses

2348
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Speaker 3: this weekend?

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Speaker 48: I thought the Bearcats defend basketball, defended really well in

2350
02:10:21,120 --> 02:10:24,280
Speaker 48: the first half, defended and rebounded like you expect a

2351
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:28,240
Speaker 48: UC team too. But Tony and I have talked about this.

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Speaker 48: At halftime, They're up four, and that just didn't feel

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Speaker 48: like enough. It felt like with as as much as

2354
02:10:33,480 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 48: I thought they legitimately took a good Louisville team out

2355
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Speaker 48: of their offense in the first half, you have to

2356
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:41,640
Speaker 48: build a ten to twelve, fourteen point cushion, So four

2357
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:45,360
Speaker 48: didn't feel enough. And then frankly, offensively in the second half,

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02:10:45,560 --> 02:10:47,640
Speaker 48: it felt like much of the same from last year.

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Speaker 12: I think if there's a silver lining to take beyond that,

2360
02:10:50,440 --> 02:10:51,760
Speaker 12: it's just that we're in November.

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Speaker 48: The UC game, Tony, you and I talked about this

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Speaker 48: yesterday at Nippert Stadium on Saturday. That is the most

2363
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:04,160
Speaker 48: frustrating loss of the last three years because the mistakes,

2364
02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:10,000
Speaker 48: the missed opportunities, the just mountain of self inflicted issues

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Speaker 48: they continue to have in a game that carried some

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02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:19,520
Speaker 48: decent stakes with it. They're now one in ten in

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Speaker 48: November since the start of the twenty twenty three season.

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Speaker 48: That to me, there was no silver lining there whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Austin also alluded to the fact that under Scott's sdderfield,

2370
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:31,680
Speaker 2: when trailing at the half, they're OZ to sixteen.

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Speaker 48: Well, it's hard to come back when you trail at

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02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:38,520
Speaker 48: the half when you continually get outscored in the third quarter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, I don't. I didn't find much silver lining.

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Speaker 2: I was frustrated Friday night because I'm walking out of

2375
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Speaker 2: arena and I had more UC fans tell me that

2376
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:51,160
Speaker 2: they were okay and happy with the fact that we

2377
02:11:51,320 --> 02:11:54,280
Speaker 2: kept it that close, and well, you know, that's a

2378
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:56,360
Speaker 2: good Louisville team only lost by you know what. And

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Speaker 2: I'm like, have we resorted to the fact that if

2380
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Speaker 2: we just try hard but we lose them, we're okay?

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Speaker 21: With that.

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Speaker 2: That's what it felt like Friday night to me. And

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02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:06,520
Speaker 2: I watched the same thing I've watched for a couple

2384
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:08,959
Speaker 2: of years now, of an offense that struggled to execute

2385
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:11,840
Speaker 2: when it needed baskets the most. And then I watched

2386
02:12:11,880 --> 02:12:14,160
Speaker 2: on Saturday night a lot of the same that that

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02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:17,480
Speaker 2: we've seen far too much of. If you look at

2388
02:12:17,480 --> 02:12:19,839
Speaker 2: how the season ended last year with five straight losses,

2389
02:12:20,280 --> 02:12:22,440
Speaker 2: and you look at now how these three straight losses

2390
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:27,120
Speaker 2: have gone, offense has disappeared. Brendan Sorosby's not playing it

2391
02:12:27,200 --> 02:12:30,080
Speaker 2: nearly as high as a level. They're not utilizing their

2392
02:12:30,120 --> 02:12:33,560
Speaker 2: best players. They're beating themselves. They are doing everything that

2393
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:36,080
Speaker 2: good football teams don't do. I don't know how you

2394
02:12:36,120 --> 02:12:37,520
Speaker 2: find the silver lining in those things?

2395
02:12:37,960 --> 02:12:41,800
Speaker 3: What about the Bengals? Any silver lining there? The defense,

2396
02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:44,200
Speaker 3: they're they're tackling better, they're stopping.

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02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:48,400
Speaker 48: Then they were good on the goal line and Gino

2398
02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:51,600
Speaker 48: Stone took some great angles on the interception return.

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Speaker 12: Gino played a good game, donock man.

2400
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Speaker 48: If you're just gonna rip on a dude NonStop, then

2401
02:12:56,280 --> 02:12:58,720
Speaker 48: you gotta point out when the guy does the opposite.

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02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:02,720
Speaker 48: Gino played a good game yesterday. But no, no, silver

2403
02:13:02,840 --> 02:13:07,360
Speaker 48: lining at all. It's game eleven and we're clinging to hell.

2404
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:12,080
Speaker 48: They tackled well, Like I did a show preview video

2405
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Speaker 48: and I said, like, I detect this surge of optimism

2406
02:13:14,440 --> 02:13:16,360
Speaker 48: because Burrow's coming back, Which I get it.

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02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:17,920
Speaker 12: Joe Burrow is the best as.

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Speaker 48: Far as I'm concerned, when a healthy quarterback in the

2409
02:13:20,160 --> 02:13:23,240
Speaker 48: NFL and the defense played okay yesterday. But I keep

2410
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:27,240
Speaker 48: coming back to same scenarios. Fourth quarter, down three, A

2411
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:30,320
Speaker 48: good defense gets a three and out or turnover. The

2412
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:34,440
Speaker 48: Bengals got neither. Instead, they allowed New England after a

2413
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:37,120
Speaker 48: good kickoff return gets the ball to the forty. They

2414
02:13:37,160 --> 02:13:40,480
Speaker 48: allowed New England to kick a field goal, and then

2415
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:42,800
Speaker 48: you're asking Joe Flacco and his bum finger to go

2416
02:13:42,920 --> 02:13:45,320
Speaker 48: down the field and make a miracle. So no, no

2417
02:13:45,480 --> 02:13:48,280
Speaker 48: silver lining. Yes, they have some units that are playing well.

2418
02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:50,720
Speaker 48: I think the offensive line is playing okay. I think

2419
02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:53,200
Speaker 48: Joe Flacco's guts are admirable. I think the fact that

2420
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:55,840
Speaker 48: he nearly engineered to come back without two of the

2421
02:13:55,880 --> 02:13:58,720
Speaker 48: best wide receivers in the sport is not insignificant. Chase

2422
02:13:58,760 --> 02:14:01,720
Speaker 48: Brown's a good player, but they're three and eight. Like

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02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:04,320
Speaker 48: I mean, you said, who they've lost eight out of

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02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:04,880
Speaker 48: nine games.

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02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:08,120
Speaker 12: They're three and eight. Well, I'm sorry, yeah, I'm there

2426
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:09,640
Speaker 12: are no silver linings when you're three in it.

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02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:10,440
Speaker 3: Who's Chase Brown?

2428
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:13,440
Speaker 12: He is a running back, went to Illinois.

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02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:18,800
Speaker 2: They struggled yesterday from no pretty low. Yeah, yeah, I

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02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:23,080
Speaker 2: don't there's no silver lining because every loss just seems

2431
02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:26,120
Speaker 2: to be, well, this was better, but this failed or

2432
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:30,240
Speaker 2: situationally in this spot, they weren't good. It's just always

2433
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:33,040
Speaker 2: something and not to me is just a bad football team.

2434
02:14:33,120 --> 02:14:36,360
Speaker 2: It's always something. Well, the defense was better. If we

2435
02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:39,000
Speaker 2: have to like talk ourselves into like different parts of

2436
02:14:39,080 --> 02:14:41,920
Speaker 2: the game that are better, you're already in a bad spot.

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02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:45,760
Speaker 3: Hey, they lost, but man, the defense tried hard.

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02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:49,440
Speaker 12: It's November, it's a professional football team. It's winning time.

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02:14:49,720 --> 02:14:49,800
Speaker 26: Ye.

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02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:52,280
Speaker 48: Hey, they they took a step forward to something I

2441
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:55,400
Speaker 48: might buy into in September. Yep, well I might buy

2442
02:14:55,480 --> 02:14:57,680
Speaker 48: into it if your record is better, not when you're

2443
02:14:57,680 --> 02:14:58,160
Speaker 48: three and eight.

2444
02:14:58,440 --> 02:15:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we did learn know that Geno Stone

2445
02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:04,400
Speaker 3: is just better when deployed as a blitzer than as

2446
02:15:04,640 --> 02:15:08,840
Speaker 3: a safety. Yeah sure, that like actually could be his

2447
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:10,080
Speaker 3: future and well.

2448
02:15:10,040 --> 02:15:12,800
Speaker 2: And you know while he's here here, well they could

2449
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:15,000
Speaker 2: ask him to take a pay cutch, just blit, bring

2450
02:15:15,080 --> 02:15:16,640
Speaker 2: him back and just play him in the box.

2451
02:15:16,760 --> 02:15:19,000
Speaker 3: Just run after the quarterback. By the way, Jalen Davis

2452
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:21,320
Speaker 3: with a sack before Shamar Stewart.

2453
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:26,280
Speaker 2: Had that on the Bengo card. Uh, it's you hate

2454
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:30,560
Speaker 2: like I mean, I said it earlier, Austin. Here we

2455
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:32,960
Speaker 2: are in November twenty fourth, and for six weeks we're

2456
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:35,120
Speaker 2: gonna have a conversation about you know, is it better

2457
02:15:35,200 --> 02:15:37,080
Speaker 2: to win meaningless football games or is it better to

2458
02:15:37,120 --> 02:15:38,080
Speaker 2: get draft positioning?

2459
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:39,840
Speaker 3: I mean that's what this is going to turn into.

2460
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Joe burrowvers to play verse, not to

2461
02:15:43,160 --> 02:15:46,640
Speaker 2: play meaningless meaningless wins, but it's winning or do you

2462
02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:48,440
Speaker 2: want to worry about your draft positioning?

2463
02:15:48,520 --> 02:15:49,880
Speaker 3: But can they get the draft pick right?

2464
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:52,520
Speaker 2: It's just I feel like it's just going to be

2465
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:56,360
Speaker 2: six weeks of the same thing, and I think that's

2466
02:15:56,440 --> 02:15:57,280
Speaker 2: the most frustrating.

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Speaker 48: You know, last year, the goal was for the Bengals

2468
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:04,400
Speaker 48: to play themselves into the graphic right the in the hunt,

2469
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 48: which which network does sniffing around?

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Speaker 3: They've changed in the I believe that's Rich Eisen Show does.

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Speaker 48: Rich Eisen does sniffing around, So the Bengals last night

2472
02:16:14,160 --> 02:16:15,760
Speaker 48: on Sunday Night Football were not in the in the

2473
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:19,520
Speaker 48: hunt column. So you know, beat Baltimore then then what

2474
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:21,680
Speaker 48: we're gonna do it? Every what Let's go to if

2475
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:24,160
Speaker 48: Austin was doing it today? Yeah, let's get the playoff

2476
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:30,960
Speaker 48: simulator on the path at eight. You didn't send you

2477
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:33,360
Speaker 48: didn't press in on that message to Jennifer Anderson, did you?

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02:16:33,720 --> 02:16:33,880
Speaker 21: You know?

2479
02:16:34,200 --> 02:16:36,840
Speaker 3: I didn't much like Zach Taylor. You're a coward. That's

2480
02:16:36,879 --> 02:16:38,520
Speaker 3: fourth and one and you didn't go for it.

2481
02:16:38,640 --> 02:16:44,840
Speaker 48: Wow, Jennifer Aniston more cowardly approached or Zach. Jennifer Aniston

2482
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:49,000
Speaker 48: has had like legitimate stalkers in her life, like has

2483
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:51,800
Speaker 48: had to go to court and and like testify against

2484
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:52,840
Speaker 48: people who have stalked her.

2485
02:16:53,440 --> 02:16:57,240
Speaker 12: So her guard is probably up. Some rando's saying hey.

2486
02:16:57,160 --> 02:16:59,280
Speaker 48: Want to go to a football game is not what

2487
02:16:59,400 --> 02:17:02,360
Speaker 48: she knock on your door. Rachel Green doesn't need that now.

2488
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:09,039
Speaker 48: So No, I didn't hit tempted you know, shoot your shot.

2489
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:11,040
Speaker 48: Not sure how my wife would feel about it, although

2490
02:17:11,640 --> 02:17:15,000
Speaker 48: I think my affection for Jennifer Andison is is established

2491
02:17:15,080 --> 02:17:16,960
Speaker 48: enough that she would go fine. She wants to be

2492
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:19,320
Speaker 48: a Benkl's Ravens game with you go for it. But

2493
02:17:19,400 --> 02:17:22,039
Speaker 48: no I I did not hit send because I didn't.

2494
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:24,160
Speaker 48: I didn't want to end up on like her Instagram

2495
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:27,080
Speaker 48: story going, hey, here's what I have to deal with. Yeah,

2496
02:17:27,160 --> 02:17:28,920
Speaker 48: and I'm sure like me asking her to go to

2497
02:17:28,959 --> 02:17:30,800
Speaker 48: a football game is tip of the iceberg kind of

2498
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:33,320
Speaker 48: stuff compared to some of the weirdos out there. But

2499
02:17:33,480 --> 02:17:35,080
Speaker 48: I didn't want to be made an example of So

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Speaker 48: no I I refrained and I did not hit send

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Speaker 48: on the Jennifer Aniston Instagram message.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Well, I'm sure you'll, as the kids say,

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Speaker 3: send it this afternoon from three to six for the

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Speaker 3: Tony and Mo Football Show. Thanks boys, you're Toni and

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02:17:49,720 --> 02:17:53,880
Speaker 3: Mo Football Show. Yes, it's Tony Pikes Tony and Mo

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Speaker 3: Football Show. To get in trouble for that too, all right,

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Speaker 3: see you guys. That's the Tonya Mo Football Show coming

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Speaker 3: up next. This is has been twenty Pikes Monday Midday

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Speaker 3: Quarterback right here on ESPN fifteen thirty this weekend at

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