WEBVTT - 10-9-25 Sloan with  Dr Mark Enselaco

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want to be in a.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott plo here seven hundred WLW. Will there finally be peace?

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<v Speaker 2>Peace in our lifetime? There's a potential to end the

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<v Speaker 2>two year war between Israel Hamas Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

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<v Speaker 2>said he's going to convene the Israeli government. He's doing

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<v Speaker 2>that today as we speak, to ratify the Ceasfire agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>And President Trump may travel at Egypt as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend, and that's where the talks are being held.

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<v Speaker 2>To put in perspective. As doctor Mark Nzilaco, He's a

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<v Speaker 2>UTI political scientist, also a Middle Eastern expert, former director

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<v Speaker 2>International Studies Program and founder of UD's Human Rights Studies program. Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>how you been?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine? How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine. I think peace in the world is a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing. I think when you see the people being ravaged,

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<v Speaker 2>not only from what happened two years ago in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, to normal Israelis living their lives, to the

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<v Speaker 2>bombing and Susan bombing of those in Gosam, any of

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<v Speaker 2>those people not really other than the fact that they're chattel,

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<v Speaker 2>than this whole mixed up conflict illustrates the absurdity and

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<v Speaker 2>just how cruel we are to other human beings, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we'll finally get peace piece at last. And the

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<v Speaker 2>question is will that piece last? Because I'm also well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the glass may be half full here. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's some problems. We'll get into that. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about the deal real quick. Let me outline

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<v Speaker 2>it in case you're not following this or just hearing

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<v Speaker 2>it for the first time. Hamas has agreed to release

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<v Speaker 2>all their remarrining hostages. Israel we will draw withdraw their

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<v Speaker 2>forces back to what they call the agreed upon yellow line.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is just the first phase the peace agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going to be the hostages and then Palestinian

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<v Speaker 2>prisoners get released, and then once that's finalized and within

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight hours, all this is going to end. But

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<v Speaker 2>there are some bombs going off today as a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact. So first and foremost is this is phase

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<v Speaker 2>one and that seems to be the easy phase. Phase

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<v Speaker 2>two and beyond that's probably the more difficult. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>lay that out?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Well, I mean, there's a twenty point plan.

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<v Speaker 3>It was agreed to a week or so ago, very elaborate,

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<v Speaker 3>very very elaborate, very detail hell and the phase where

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<v Speaker 3>now is really was water or to wide, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and the key is really getting Hamas to lay it

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<v Speaker 3>down his weapons and uh, for Hamas to have no

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<v Speaker 3>future uh in any Palestinian administration that runs that that land.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that's a long that's a long stretch. That's

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<v Speaker 3>that's when you've laid the foundations for genuine peace. The

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<v Speaker 3>smoke hasn't cleared yet from a two year and very

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<v Speaker 3>as you say, very very bloody, very very violent war.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean destruction on almost unimaginable levels. So I mean

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<v Speaker 3>just psychologically and emotionally. How do people who are already

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<v Speaker 3>each other's throats, how do they recover from this? How

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<v Speaker 3>they move forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, gritter things maybe haven't been done, but maybe

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<v Speaker 3>the violence was precisely so bad that everyone finally went

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<v Speaker 3>up and realizes that we have to find a means

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<v Speaker 3>to coexist and to live together. So I'll hope that's

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<v Speaker 3>the goal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you hope so too. You just wonder how long

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to last. And I kind of mentioned that

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<v Speaker 2>in my preamble there as you know, you're the professor

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<v Speaker 2>in this conversation, You're you're the student of this more

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<v Speaker 2>than I am. I can't count how many deals we've

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<v Speaker 2>had in the past when it comes to different accords

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<v Speaker 2>and the like. And that's not just a hummas, but

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<v Speaker 2>generally peace between Palestine in Israel itself. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>also Accords back in the nineties, you had Camp David

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand, You've had summits and roadmaps for peace

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<v Speaker 2>in the Annapolis Conference and Trump's peace plan from five

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and none of them went anywhere. Why is

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<v Speaker 2>this the one?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're exactly right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if those couldn't take hold in a much

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<v Speaker 3>more favorable environment to peace than now, because as I

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<v Speaker 3>said a moment ago, the destruction, level of destruction is

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<v Speaker 3>so great, it's not even mistrust anymore, has deep deep

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<v Speaker 3>hatd hacred.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So one could only hope that the violence.

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<v Speaker 3>Was so immense that it shocked everybody into into a

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<v Speaker 3>mind a mindset for a peace. But no, at this stage,

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking what hostage you're coming back? I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>really intelligence is assessin that Hamas may even be able

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<v Speaker 3>to return all the dead hostages because obviously because the yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so will we be released?

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<v Speaker 1>Which prisoners will be released? What will stay?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Still the big piece.

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<v Speaker 3>Is does Hamas retain any any power now, both within Gaza,

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<v Speaker 3>among Palestinians and certainly vis A vis Uh is real

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<v Speaker 3>who's not going to stop hunting as? You know Israeli,

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<v Speaker 3>So you're not going to stop hunting Hamas because they

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<v Speaker 3>meet it. They they reached an agreement in Sharmol Shake Egypt.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, I mean the roots for violence are

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<v Speaker 3>so de deep that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's work as how as we can, as the

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<v Speaker 3>UN says, get the hostages out and get.

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<v Speaker 1>The aid in.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, but be realistic about uh, be realistic about the

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<v Speaker 3>prospects for a long, long term piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just don't imagine Hamas is gonna go away quiet,

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing is. And there's a couple of points

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<v Speaker 2>in here too, is Hamas is going to lay down

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<v Speaker 2>their arms and simply guy, I just don't see this

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<v Speaker 2>as kind of like the American Revolutionary War that all

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<v Speaker 2>these combatants lay down their arms and go back to

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<v Speaker 2>being gentlemen farmers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, I don't see that at all. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know there was back in the day,

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<v Speaker 3>but Oswell Accords, when you know, elements at PLO fought

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<v Speaker 3>that were coming and they had a terrorist background and

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<v Speaker 3>they made a transition from that. But this Hamas is

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<v Speaker 3>a different like his bulla a different beast. Here's the

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<v Speaker 3>point though, Gaza is is rubble and it really needs

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<v Speaker 3>to be rebuilt UH. And then there's communities on this

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<v Speaker 3>before poort and billions and billions of dollars. Now what

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<v Speaker 3>happened before was Hamas hijacked that process hijacked. They were

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<v Speaker 3>able to divert those niece to missiles and tunnels and

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<v Speaker 3>bombs and uniforms, all those all the belligerency material for war.

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<v Speaker 3>So in the administration of this piece, if we move

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<v Speaker 3>forward on this twenty point plan, there's the opportunity and

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<v Speaker 3>there's really the imperative that the global community monitor their expendors,

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<v Speaker 3>really control that process so that by by by administering

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<v Speaker 3>Gaza UH really marginalizing Hamas there so Hamas will be

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<v Speaker 3>could be at war UH with his self, Palos to

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<v Speaker 3>the ends up war with themselves. If Hamas is to

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<v Speaker 3>retain is going to try to retain some influence.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the billion dollar question, man, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>prevent that from happening? Because two things off the top

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<v Speaker 2>of my head, Mark and silaka would be human nature,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know the nature of of having control as

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<v Speaker 2>power and power as to come, and fear as part

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<v Speaker 2>of that is the currency of power. And so hey,

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<v Speaker 2>how many regimes have we seen in the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the world where someone's taken over and organization has taken

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<v Speaker 2>over and it's become a total power grab. And again

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<v Speaker 2>it's the has and the have nots. We take everything,

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<v Speaker 2>we arm up, we scare the hell out of the people,

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<v Speaker 2>and we keep them in line, whether it's this or

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<v Speaker 2>poll pot or anybody else. And then the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>is just out and out graft. Yeah, okay, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have what the un oversee this? Yeah, good luck

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<v Speaker 2>with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's an old expression in diplomacy that the

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<v Speaker 3>devil lives in the details. It's easy to.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of reach.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not easy, but it's possible to reach broad twenty

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<v Speaker 3>point goals and have some sort of pacific vision of

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<v Speaker 3>the future. But it's in the implement patient as you say,

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<v Speaker 3>how many tons of food are.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to go in per day?

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<v Speaker 3>Really, how are you going to reconstruct the destroyed sanity systems?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, really, there is an opportunity out for Gaza's

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<v Speaker 3>for pales Indians in the new administration to build not

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<v Speaker 3>just rebuild Gaza, but build a new society there. And

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to have to do it because it's literally

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<v Speaker 3>rubble and it's literally great loss of life, great disruption.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's going to be a you know, there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be an international relief effort. I hope we're part

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<v Speaker 3>of that. We don't have to take it over, and

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<v Speaker 3>that would be the number one could contribute a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be involved clearly.

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<v Speaker 3>The twenty point Plan, as I understand it, sees a

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<v Speaker 3>key role for a peace commission chaired by the President

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<v Speaker 3>of the United States. So we're engaged. We're engaged very clearly,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's in the details. Let's get it right, let's

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<v Speaker 3>do it right.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is the other part of the problem

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<v Speaker 2>to us, we've seen in Afghanistan and backwards, is that

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<v Speaker 2>we pay attention. Because we're Americans, We've got the attention

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<v Speaker 2>span of a nat and we'll pay atten engine to

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening. Once everything signed and the press opportunities over,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll move on to the next shiny object, uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>then things will fall apart in the Middle East and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll wonder what happened. Is that a possibility?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, I mean certainly one would in his in

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<v Speaker 3>the Maga world. Is this is a step of involvement

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<v Speaker 3>in other countries wars That exactly what he.

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<v Speaker 1>Promised to avoid.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how how will his his loyalists, his most

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<v Speaker 3>loyal supporters, how do they see? Uh this Nobel Price

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<v Speaker 3>comes out tomorrow, It's gonna be fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, it fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why he wanted to get it done right now,

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<v Speaker 2>because he wants he wants he wants a Nobel prize.

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<v Speaker 3>My guess is at the votes already end. Uh it

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<v Speaker 3>would be interesting though, Uh, you know, the nighbors should

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<v Speaker 3>maybe bows around at Jerry Kushner.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's working behind the scenes for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I'm not nominating him by any means, but uh,

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<v Speaker 3>there are there are, there was, There has been a

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<v Speaker 3>great deal of behind the scenes fashion in the Arab world,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's gonna be fascinating to see with the passage

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<v Speaker 3>of time what we learned about that process. History books

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be fascinating about those period time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's doctor Mark Ansolaco at the University. Dad and

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<v Speaker 2>political science professor there talking about maybe finally peace in

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<v Speaker 2>the least between Israel and Hamas and regime change there

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<v Speaker 2>and stopping the bombing, and it could happen relatively soon.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister of Israel NET and Yahoo is convening

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<v Speaker 2>the Israeli government today to vote on this to ratify

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<v Speaker 2>the ceasefire agreement. The other side, any, I don't we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want' sall like a couple of bitter old men here.

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<v Speaker 2>But but you know, we've seen this movie before, not

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<v Speaker 2>just in our lifetime, into previous lifetimes. And you are

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<v Speaker 2>a student of history, your political science professor, and history

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<v Speaker 2>is the best indicator future behavior. And so if we're

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<v Speaker 2>a little jaded and pessimistic about this, it's for good reason.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean that this piece won't last. And hell,

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<v Speaker 2>even if the piece lasts for six months, a year,

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<v Speaker 2>two years, is ten years, whatever it is, that's better

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<v Speaker 2>than these two sides blowing each other up, taking hostages, killing,

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<v Speaker 2>raping women, holding people hostage, and the other side bombing

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<v Speaker 2>the hell out of civilians.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's you just laid out of panorama. That's really frightening.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, I mean, it's long term one thing,

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<v Speaker 3>you would be always sure over the Middle East that

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<v Speaker 3>there's something will flair up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but at the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Time, and I don't want to be too optimistic about things,

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<v Speaker 3>but strategically the Middle East has changed a great deal.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean because of the violence. I mean, obviously Hamas

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<v Speaker 3>has been close to being destroyed, but you know his

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<v Speaker 3>boiler and the attack on Iran with even the United

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<v Speaker 3>States getting involved attacking the nuclear sites. I mean, so

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<v Speaker 3>you hit this arc of countries that were hostile to

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<v Speaker 3>Israel An Israel sort of you know, took the fight

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<v Speaker 3>to them, and that is weakened these organizations regionally.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's strategic.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm not simply saying, you know, what a wonderful

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<v Speaker 3>new world, you know, post war World War two? Uh uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know world. But yeah, there's been changes in the strategic.

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<v Speaker 1>Environment, and maybe that could be a basis.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you look at these golf states, Goha and

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<v Speaker 3>all these emirates, all these.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fabulously wealthy. They're fabulously wealthy societies.

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<v Speaker 3>And although there's just an attachment of palicy and cause

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<v Speaker 3>of IU coulds rather than protrusive. I mean, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people sort of want to get out into

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<v Speaker 3>their lives. They'd probably rather talk to Jared Kushner about

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<v Speaker 3>real you know, you know, Mediterranean seafront.

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<v Speaker 1>Real estate.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they'll want to run around in a singing alo

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<v Speaker 3>roc bar uh and and blowing things up, So there

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<v Speaker 3>could be really environment. I always argue when I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>my first book about violence in the Middle East from

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<v Speaker 3>Blex September September eleventh, it said looking at a different war, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know against Acada in Afghanistan. I simply said, you

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<v Speaker 3>know this will this will end when mothers tell their

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<v Speaker 3>children suicide in the act of blowing someone up is

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<v Speaker 3>not you know, jihata in a way of allah. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>when when you dead, attitude changes.

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<v Speaker 1>And one could probably say he is ready sit inside too.

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<v Speaker 3>Within the settler movement, the extreme sort of Zionist movements

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<v Speaker 3>that are that have taken the vigilante law in their

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<v Speaker 3>own hand, there's deep problems in these societies that speak

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<v Speaker 3>against a long lasting peace.

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<v Speaker 1>But one can build on what was in front of

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<v Speaker 1>us right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, there's a lot of rebuilding of a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of destruction, and and make the difficult initial steps in

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<v Speaker 3>these peace press make these count.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you kind of hit on it there

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<v Speaker 2>and the big question and to summarize what you're saying

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<v Speaker 2>on Sa Laco is this only works if both sides

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember at ended a chapter in my book once

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<v Speaker 3>We're one of the leaders back in the day said

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<v Speaker 3>we don't want peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Peace would end all our hopes.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if that's the mentality you have, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>got the you've got the permanent roots for for for

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<v Speaker 3>future violence. But right now, clearly in the house on

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<v Speaker 3>the inside is exhausted. I mean, it's really difficult to

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<v Speaker 3>assess this because journalists have they not had access to

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<v Speaker 3>little many have lost their lives in this conflict. UH

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<v Speaker 3>reporting from Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, one.

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<v Speaker 3>Beginning to hear UH reports or inklings that Pelsins have

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<v Speaker 3>turned on Hamas and they're saying, you know, yes, here's

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<v Speaker 3>what these did, this great distraction to us. But you

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<v Speaker 3>provoke them, you know, you poked the bear.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. And so you know, Hamas Tamas.

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<v Speaker 3>Militants will walk around with scars, greens, cigars are on

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<v Speaker 3>the head and and and the goose step. But in

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<v Speaker 3>point of fact, there is a serious, very serious defeat

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<v Speaker 3>for them militarily and politically.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only multi phases are the twenty point program.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just in the first couple right now. This is

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<v Speaker 2>only phase one, so we're a long way away from

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<v Speaker 2>lasting peace at this point, even a seaspar because bombs

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<v Speaker 2>are going off this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact.

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<v Speaker 2>There as we moved to phase two in beyond, it

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<v Speaker 2>was France, I believe, the first loft of the notion

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<v Speaker 2>that Palestinian statehood should be a thing, and some other

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<v Speaker 2>countries signed on to that and absolutely upset those.

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<v Speaker 1>Of us in the West.

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<v Speaker 2>How dare you do this? They come in two years

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<v Speaker 2>ago and look what they did, and now you want

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<v Speaker 2>to give them statehood and forget everything else. But it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like part of this plan is eventually that's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen. I mean, if Israel is pulling

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<v Speaker 2>back to this yellow line, then they'll have a final

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<v Speaker 2>determination where that is. That would then mean that some

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<v Speaker 2>degree of Palestinian state right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I thought, I thought France and Great

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<v Speaker 3>Britain announcing this a few weeks ago was really sort

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<v Speaker 3>of and forgive me for putting on such plut terms

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<v Speaker 3>sort of you know, media just the media stunt. There

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<v Speaker 3>is no palest in the estate. I mean, when you

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<v Speaker 3>say to me, show me your state, the first thing

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know is where are the boundaries? So

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<v Speaker 3>and then who's your leadership Hamas? I mean, it's nothing

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<v Speaker 3>was going to come on this nonetheless, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>and so I understand President Trump sort of trying to

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<v Speaker 3>push back in our allies this tag back you were rewarding.

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<v Speaker 3>You said, exactly, wait, Scott, you're rewarding Hamas by giving

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<v Speaker 3>them this prize. But no, the fact, the long term

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<v Speaker 3>fact is there's going to happen in two states.

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<v Speaker 1>So at some point you're going to so in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Process of building, you know, when you when you really

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<v Speaker 3>have to just make sanitation systems and water and deliver

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<v Speaker 3>food and meta. You know, just the rudiments of running

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<v Speaker 3>and government really, you know, particularly recovering one right, you

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<v Speaker 3>can build trust, you can see that people can work together,

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<v Speaker 3>and that what has to be to go in building

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<v Speaker 3>and rebuilding.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we really have to lay the.

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<v Speaker 3>Foundations to build on for a long term, long term priest.

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<v Speaker 3>But the global community, and that means the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>What President Trump is the chairman of this this Peace

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<v Speaker 3>Commission order, it's called right, you said, this right, the

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<v Speaker 3>global communities have to stay engaged in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and that means the United States too, turn

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<v Speaker 1>our back on it.

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<v Speaker 2>We turn our back on It's Afghanistan, it's Vietnam, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all those things, and we just, you know, because the

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<v Speaker 2>public we lose interest in and why are we supporting them?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are we doing this? And it's it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be I think, probably more low key than that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like we have troops on the ground there, but

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<v Speaker 2>in that regardless of this is something we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to stay on top of for a long time if

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<v Speaker 2>you want it to work. All right, I gotta get going,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Mark anseiloco ud. I was appreciate the time in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the good stuff. I feel like I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in one of your classes here. Thanks again for the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a good one. Uh yeah, whether it lasts

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<v Speaker 2>or not, we're going to find out. Although history is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not on their but man, you look at the devastation,

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<v Speaker 2>the destruction, the human casualties, the toll. It's seventy thousand

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<v Speaker 2>plus people. I mean that's a lot of people dying.

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<v Speaker 2>And now it's over and hopefully you can go back

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<v Speaker 2>to being that gentleman farmer. I don't know if a

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<v Speaker 2>moss is gonna lay their arms down. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that's the thing, because there's always gonna be that streak.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as something goes sideways, they're gonna wind up

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<v Speaker 2>game in more power.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the nature of the beast.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Quick time out News on the way, Sloany on

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred WLW