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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you Busy Boston's new radio.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Al Griffin. Great to hear your voice.

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Speaker 1: My name's Dan Ray. Back after a couple not a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks off. Yeah, we did the charity combine

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Speaker 1: on the Tuesday Night, the night of Tuesday Night, December

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Speaker 1: twenty third, and then we were off for Christmas and

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Speaker 1: New Year's and a little bit of time away. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about that at eleven o'clock tonight during the

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Speaker 1: twentieth hour, and gonna explain to you where I was.

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Speaker 1: I was far far away and farthest away I've ever been.

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Speaker 1: And I'm interested in where some of you folks have

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Speaker 1: traveled during your lifetime, maybe the farthest way or the

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Speaker 1: most farthest away, or the most exotic. But we still

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Speaker 1: have an hour left to talk about what's going on

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Speaker 1: this week. I would like to talk about Venezuela and

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Speaker 1: whether or not you feel the Trump administration has done

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Speaker 1: the right thing or the wrong thing in taking Nicholas

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Speaker 1: Maduro's and his wife, the first Lady of Venezuela, as

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Speaker 1: she stated at her arraignment on Monday, all the way

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Speaker 1: from Caracas to New York City to a jail in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: New York. It was a huge story. We haven't I

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Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to talk to about it tonight.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm anxious to talk about it. If you're

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Speaker 1: not interested in Venezuela, we can talk about Minneapolis. But

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Speaker 1: I want to give people who are interested in commenting,

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Speaker 1: either favorably or unfavorably about this action by the United States.

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Speaker 1: Became increasingly clear that we were spending a lot of time.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there's also other aspects of this, the seizure

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Speaker 1: of oil takers. It gives you an opportunity to express yourself.

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Speaker 1: Six one seven, two five four ten thirty one line

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Speaker 1: there and six one seven nine three ten thirty. We

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Speaker 1: will go until eleven on this, or if we have

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Speaker 1: to move to Minneapolis, we can on that. There was

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Speaker 1: another video release today from the camera of the the

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Speaker 1: the woman in her car in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: street yesterday. You know that story. But let's get to

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Speaker 1: the calls I want to hear from people on Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: That's my thought. I hope some of you want way in,

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Speaker 1: whether you feel it was effective in the short term,

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Speaker 1: in the long term, whatever you want to say. Craig

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Speaker 1: in Ohio, Craig, welcome back. How are you, sir, on

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Speaker 1: a car Man.

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Speaker 3: As far as the Vatican, yeah, I'm a cradle Catholic,

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Speaker 3: I'm a fourth degree Knight. And over the decade, it's

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Speaker 3: you know, I've hung on to my Catholic faith and

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Speaker 3: I always said, it's about the eu Cherus. Forget the rest.

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Speaker 3: I put a dollar in the basket now, But when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the Vatican getting involved, I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 3: it's all about money, you know. And as far as

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Speaker 3: what Trump has done, as the old timers would say

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Speaker 3: around here here, you know that was smoothered in frogs hair.

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Speaker 3: It was a fantastic news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that goodness that no American troops were seriously

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Speaker 1: injured or worse yet killed. At the same time, uh,

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Speaker 1: it was Colon Powell who once said, on regarding to

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Speaker 1: military adventures, if you break it, you own it. And

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Speaker 1: we now own it, and hopefully, yes we do. I

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Speaker 1: hope that. I hope that it works. I really do.

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Speaker 1: I shed no tears for Nicholas Maduro.

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Speaker 3: Neither do I, you know, as far as Yeah, like

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Speaker 3: I said, it just bugs me about the Vatican, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe maybe I'd better start looking for

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Speaker 3: nonnominational you know, I'm spiritually in a rough place right now.

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Speaker 1: I guess you know, no, I understand that, and I

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Speaker 1: you can look at the big picture as as a friend.

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Speaker 1: Not only uh, Steven Cambridge, but Dan in San Francisco

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Speaker 1: interested in saving lives, except as you know, I would hate,

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Speaker 1: like heck to think that they would have helped provide

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Speaker 1: safe passage for Adolph Hitler at the end of World

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Speaker 1: War Two. Uh, in the same way with Nicholas Muro.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a it's a dilemma for for them,

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Speaker 3: It's tough to well. I'll tell you this. I was

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Speaker 3: That was in the seventies, you know, and and you

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Speaker 3: And and here we are, Well, maybe uh, our president

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Speaker 3: Trump will change things for them. People.

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Speaker 1: Well that that would have predated both Hugo Chavez, UH

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Speaker 1: And I guess, I guess if you turn around then

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Speaker 1: you say, I mean, look, Trump was given Maduro a

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Speaker 1: Meduro the Guru decided to hang in. And I'm sure

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Speaker 1: no doubt. As always, great to hear your voice, Great

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Speaker 1: to talk with you, Craig in Ohio. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for listening every night and keep the faith. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Go take a break. Six one seven, two four ten

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Speaker 1: Side right after this. You're on night Side with Dan

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Speaker 1: Ray onn BZY, Boston's news radio. Let's keep rolling here

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Speaker 1: Gary in New Jersey. Hey, Gary, happy new Year. I

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Speaker 1: haven't talked in a while. Go right here, Gary, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Good, good on you for a new year. Dan, you

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Speaker 4: and yours, Thank you. But uh, I got to tell

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Speaker 4: you that guy from San Francisco, you didn't let me

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Speaker 4: his money. And he was talking about, well, pee, if

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Speaker 4: we had troops there, what's gonna happen if they die?

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Speaker 4: How many people you think died because of the poison?

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Speaker 4: Maduro is brought in here over the Yeah, great point.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing that I never hear, we need

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Speaker 4: to suck every diamon oil out of there, if for

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Speaker 4: no other reason, because the drug epidemic in the last

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Speaker 4: the transportation courts to get them there, and then with

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Speaker 4: the drugs they take. I mean, they don't pay anything.

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Speaker 4: And believe me, I don't want anyone. Whatever they can

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Speaker 4: do for these poor souls, I'm okay with. But we

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Speaker 4: pay for these drugs that they get dispensed, the syboxa on,

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Speaker 4: people owe us a bill. The only thing I'm hoping

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Speaker 4: Colombia and Mexico. I think Mexico because all the heroin

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Speaker 4: they let in and opiate's in fentanol are one of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there's going to be some activity

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Speaker 1: in Mexican Ago. The president of Honduras apparently has all

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Speaker 1: and I believe they're going to have a phone call

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Speaker 4: Well I hope.

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Speaker 1: So, But what people that my mistake, My mistake is

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Speaker 1: the president of Columbia.

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Speaker 1: The guy from Columbia initially was very critical and and

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Speaker 1: And apparently he had a very conciliatory, according to the

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, when you see someone get there behind

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Speaker 4: set on fire and you think you're next, that might

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Speaker 4: change your attitude. But what I don't understand, Well, I

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Speaker 4: President they're not going to like if he cured cancer,

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Speaker 4: it's well, he cured cancer, but what the hell did

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think what we have to do is

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Speaker 1: Well. I think that's pretty much what his what his

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Speaker 4: Now, but I was just going to bring something. I

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Speaker 4: know it's a little off topic, but when that girl

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Speaker 1: I think they shot it by I think I think

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Speaker 1: Gary by the way she was climbing through a side

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Speaker 1: she exercised bad judgment in her fervor to protest Congress

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Speaker 1: the electoral votes, it was did you see the video today?

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Speaker 4: Actually we don't even in my house. I don't have

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Speaker 4: any of the news channels, none of the cable channel.

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Speaker 1: Well, the reason I was going to mention it to

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Speaker 6: Welcome thanks a lot, John, Happy New Year, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 1: Look, I've seen I've seen some stories here, Lee. I'll

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Speaker 6: That's rise. Maybe Cuba will fall at our lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be something?

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Speaker 1: No, no, he has a different point of view than

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Speaker 6: He's that's so stupid, that's so stupid, and.

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Speaker 1: He would probably feel the same way about us. But no,

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Speaker 6: You're too nice. You vote, That's why everybody likes you,

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Speaker 6: That's true, but you can't be insult You can't be

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Speaker 1: We are talking about what happened in Venezuela a week

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Speaker 1: Where do you think this ends up? We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: Ottawa and Ottawa Senators? How are the Senators doing this year?

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Speaker 7: They they make it some noise, they're allows the team.

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Speaker 1: They beat the Bruins a couple of times, though.

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Speaker 7: Didn't they Ruins? But to be a perfectly frank I'm

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Speaker 3: Doing good.

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Speaker 1: They're doing very well.

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Speaker 7: They're doing very well. And I grew up on Freakiemker

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Speaker 1: That's okay, that's always good. But who was your favorite Canadian?

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Speaker 1: I know that. But he grew up in Parry Sound.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you. I will tell you a secret,

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Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, tough on the outside, soft on the inside,

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Speaker 7: but that's very cool. I'm a lawyer too, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 7: Every every once in a while I wonder I should

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Speaker 7: I'm not, and I'm my wife is from Springfield, mass

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Speaker 7: you're into the situation of might makes right. And then

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Speaker 7: China invades Taiwan, and Russia not only invades Ukraine, but

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Speaker 7: it invades the Baltics, it invades Poland where does it end?

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Speaker 7: So you just have.

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Speaker 3: You just have.

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Speaker 7: I'm not gonna use the word free for all, but

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Speaker 7: you just don't have any rules of the game anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I understand what they want from from our perspective.

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Speaker 1: And again I talk with the US perspective. A long,

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Speaker 1: long time ago, we had a president named James Monroe

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Speaker 1: and he articulated the Monroe doctrine. I'm sure you're of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're very aware of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I chaired the International law section of the American Bar Association.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that I'm aware of it, sure, And that

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Speaker 1: is I guess the underlying principle that that Trump is

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Speaker 1: relying upon. He's also arguing that that Maduro has engaged

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Speaker 1: in Naco terrorism and that there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: Americans in this country who have died from drugs that

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Speaker 1: have been exported from Venezuela, other more more, more stronger

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Speaker 1: drugs from Mexico, more fentle more from Mexico, but some

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Speaker 1: fentannel out of Venezuela, and that he's doing that in defense.

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Speaker 1: That's what his argument is. It's never gonna a in

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Speaker 1: an international court, I don't think, and.

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Speaker 3: It would survive, it would not survive.

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Speaker 7: It would not survive an international court. It would not survive.

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Speaker 7: I will say this, the Monroe doctrine from the eighteen twenties,

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Speaker 7: and yes it has changed over the years, was no

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Speaker 7: foreign powers in the Western Hemisphere and no further colonial

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Speaker 7: powers in the Western hemisphere, and we're going to prevent

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Speaker 7: you from coming in. And this really has nothing to

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Speaker 7: do with the Monroe doctrine. Yes there's a concern about

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Speaker 7: China and Panama. Yes there's a concern about China and

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Speaker 7: Russia and Iran in Venezuela, but that's really not the

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Speaker 7: justification for the for the invasion. And I've never understood

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Speaker 7: the United States to say the Minorroe doctrine. Trump's all

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Speaker 7: international law, in our observance of international law, in the

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Speaker 7: international treaties that we have signed. And I'm just not

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Speaker 7: aware of any president that's ever said, you know what

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Speaker 7: part of the United Nations were one of the founders

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Speaker 7: of the nation. And by the way, I don't hold

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Speaker 7: a brief for the United Nations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess what has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: the United clipped. By the way, I have to believe

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Speaker 1: you've never called my show before.

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Speaker 7: I've called your show before.

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Speaker 1: You have Okay, well, I'm sorry I should have remembered

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Speaker 1: the call, because you're a great caller. I would say

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Speaker 1: that you're right that probably no American president, certainly in

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Speaker 1: our lifetime. I think Teddy Roosevelt.

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Speaker 7: Teddy, Yeah, but you know a lot. Did you see

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Speaker 7: the program on Teddy Rose about pbads in You know,

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Speaker 7: the historians basically said he was an imperialist president and

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Speaker 7: he thirsted for war.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: But I'm not just all.

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Speaker 1: All I was responding to Sageley was you said that

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Speaker 1: you would cite no other American president, and I would

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Speaker 1: probably say, let me introduce you to Donald Trump. I mean, uh,

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Speaker 1: this is a different sort of president. And yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I hope for the benefit of us all that that

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Speaker 1: whoever the president is, that our program that their programs

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Speaker 1: work out, whether it's Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: And yeah, by the way, Teddy Roosevelt convaded before the

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Speaker 7: United Nations.

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Speaker 1: Well he also invaded probably before he was before he

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Speaker 1: was president. Okay, However, however, if I could, and again

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Speaker 1: I'm not debating you here, Clifford, You're too smart a

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Speaker 1: guy for me to try to debate, I would also

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Speaker 1: refer you to to George Bush's relationship with Panama and

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Speaker 1: Noriega uh, and also what Ronald Reagan did when we

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Speaker 1: had American students UH in a difficult set of circumstances

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Speaker 1: on the island of Grenada, which you and I'm both

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Speaker 1: remember vividly with their lifetime.

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Speaker 7: So I too with Panama, though in the eighties there

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Speaker 7: at least was the thin ate of an argument that

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Speaker 7: they were invited in. And there really isn't anything by.

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Speaker 1: Who, by Noriego, who is the president?

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Speaker 7: No, by the Congress.

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Speaker 1: No, Okay, I understand that.

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Speaker 7: I I mean, look, I know you're look, you know,

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Speaker 7: I know your your listeners hate me for saying this

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Speaker 7: because they don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't deny worry.

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Speaker 7: At first, I do not like what he's done to Venezuela.

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Speaker 7: I'm just concerned that this action has made the world

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Speaker 7: a really more dangerous place. And China is rubbing their

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Speaker 7: hands in glee, and so is Russia.

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Speaker 1: Yep, And you might and you might be right, and

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Speaker 1: I hope you're not, but you very well might be right.

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Speaker 1: And again, my audience does not hate people. In one

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Speaker 1: of the things I try to I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much you'll listen to my show, but I tried to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I try to make people talk, as they say, you know,

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Speaker 1: when when when conversation ends, that's when violence can begin.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that the situation we're dealing with right now,

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Speaker 1: uh halfway across the country in Minneapolis, does not turn

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Speaker 1: into uh, the situation that we dealt with in this

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Speaker 1: country at George Floyd many years ago. If if this

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Speaker 1: officer did not act within reason, you know, he should

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Speaker 1: be prosecuted federally.

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Speaker 7: As I'm worried about the passions, and I'm worried that

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Speaker 7: people are going to take enforcement and respond back in

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Speaker 7: their own hands.

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Speaker 1: And I and I know that I know that in Canada,

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Speaker 1: you know, as recently as two or three years ago

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Speaker 1: with the truck driver's strike and all of that. And

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Speaker 1: and I remember the the separatists in Quebec who wanted

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Speaker 1: to break Quebec off to make it a soul a

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Speaker 1: sec scene from from Canada. So we we all go

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Speaker 1: through this, but that's it's better if we talk about it. Clifford.

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Speaker 1: I loved your call. Man, great to meet another lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I'm on it that you'd call, and I hope that

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Speaker 1: you'll continue to listen and call more often. Okay, if

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Speaker 1: you have a bump, if you have a bump into

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Speaker 1: Chris n Island somewhere up there, you'll let him know

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Speaker 1: we're friends, okay, and he won't bother you. I promise

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Speaker 1: you that you have you'll have immunity. Okay, thanks, Thanks Clifford. Ever,

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Speaker 1: go right by bye, take a quick break. The only

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Speaker 1: lines are six one, seven nine. I got Greg, Joe

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Speaker 1: and John. The ladies have been absent tonight, and I

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Speaker 1: really thought we would hear more from women on this,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes my audience surprises me. Maybe they're holding off

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Speaker 1: to talk in the twentieth hour. We'll see you coming

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Speaker 1: back on night Side.

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Speaker 3: It's Night Side with Boston's Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going. I'm gonna go to Greg

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Speaker 1: in Dorchester. Gregory, how are you tonight?

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Speaker 2: Hi? Dan, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I had a great vacation. Going to talk about it

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Speaker 1: a little bit next New Year.

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Speaker 2: Here's my yes for you want miss Agan to China?

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Speaker 2: That's my thinking.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, that's well, that's not close. It's close,

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Speaker 1: but no.

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Speaker 2: Cigar, right, yeah, okay, I leave it that. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to follow the tact. That last attorney there, he was

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Speaker 2: pretty good, but my my thinking this kudos to President

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Speaker 2: Trump because if they didn't take him out the day

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Speaker 2: before they took him out, the guy he met was

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Speaker 2: was the Chinese n y, So China was in the

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Speaker 2: whole deal. China and Iran and Russia won the take over.

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Speaker 6: And.

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Speaker 1: They they definitely wanted to get a foothold. They had

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Speaker 1: They already had a foothold there actually, And I just

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Speaker 1: don't don't like people like that messing around in our neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's like, I'll tell you, I'll keep suc fast. Second,

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Speaker 2: then I studied politics a lot, and I remember at

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Speaker 2: the Cuban missile crisis, right, nineteen sixty two? Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: And no, no, no, this is about the Bay peaks.

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Speaker 1: Well that's nineteen sixty one that went wrong. Missile crisis

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Speaker 1: was October sixteenth to the twenty ninth, Not that I

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Speaker 1: have a reason for knowing that date, but we'll leave

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Speaker 1: that alone for now. But the Cuban missile crisis was

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Speaker 1: April of sixty one, which had been played by the

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Speaker 1: Eries and Harvard administration, and the Kennedy administration executed it.

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Speaker 1: And John Kennedy always said that that was one of

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Speaker 1: his greatest regrets that he went through with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was just Nixon there when there and

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Speaker 2: the computer there when there, and he was passed to

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Speaker 2: the White House to advice Kennedy because I guess President

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Speaker 2: Kennedy may going to mercy them. He was so upset.

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Speaker 2: And Nixon suggested something over and Lows that time Lows

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Speaker 2: are one of those countries here, and Kennedy, Preston Kennedy

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Speaker 2: answered him, what the hell are we worried about that

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Speaker 2: just a thousand miles away? Cuba was only nineteen miles

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Speaker 2: by shore.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kennedy was a cold warrior pretty back today

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Speaker 1: that Venezuela so close to the United States that were

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Speaker 1: ruining the United States.

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Speaker 2: I mean people say, I mean that it's an attorney

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Speaker 2: had there, a real spark guy, you know, all that,

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Speaker 2: But he didn't say how many people that's Venezuela, their

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Speaker 2: drugs that they were taken in here killed. You know

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Speaker 2: what do United.

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Speaker 1: States look that there's good side? There's good arguments and

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Speaker 1: concerns on both sides. Greg, there's no doubt, but.

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Speaker 2: There's a question about it. Everybody has their opinion. That's

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Speaker 2: why I love your show, you know. Yeah, thistn't have

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Speaker 2: a great night and happy New Year.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you two, and hopefully we'll have a Grete twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: You can go near the Blackwater st It didn't take

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Speaker 2: your name.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no no. I went in a different directions

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Speaker 1: and I ended up halfway around the world I.

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Speaker 2: Ever went in my life. I took Crusius and as

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Speaker 2: the furtherest I ever went to orchestras was.

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Speaker 1: Oh alcatraz In in San Francisco.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I bet al.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't there as an inmate. I was there as

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Speaker 1: a as a visitor, and I'm sure you were as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't in jail.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Greg, talk soon, we'll talk, okay, Thanks buddy, Mary,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Okay, very Christmas. Thanks, good night, Joe Beman. Joe,

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Speaker 1: go right ahead. What would you like to talk about?

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Speaker 1: What do you think about Venezuela Dan.

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Speaker 5: I'd like to ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: What here, Joe?

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Speaker 5: What do you think about manifest destiny in the Monroe Doctrine.

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Speaker 5: Do you think it's fair to the South and Latin

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Speaker 5: American countries.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't, But like anything else, we have a

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Speaker 1: right to protect what interests we we feel need to

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Speaker 1: be protected and one of the things that the Monroe

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Speaker 1: Document doctrine states fairly clearly, and of course Trump now

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Speaker 1: has has tod has turned it into the don Row

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Speaker 1: doctrine the White House refers to as opposed to Monroe

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Speaker 1: m O n R O E. They referred to as

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Speaker 1: deal n R O E. Uh. We don't want, you know,

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Speaker 1: nations like Russia and China and Iran having a foothold

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Speaker 1: in in this hemisphere. That's what what we believe, and

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Speaker 1: we are strong enough to be able to assert that

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Speaker 1: that privilege, that right, whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm I'm glad, to be honest with you that

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Speaker 1: that he did what he did. I think the Venezuelan

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Speaker 1: people will be better off without Maduro as president.

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Speaker 5: That's a good point. But how far should we go.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Benzuela, I mean, on a good day,

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Speaker 1: I think if you were down in the Keys that

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Speaker 1: Isuela was, you know, five hundred miles away or something

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Speaker 1: like that, they were, that's a little too close. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that we need to go down and deal

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Speaker 1: with what's going on in Uruguay. But I also think

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Speaker 1: that we need to keep good relations with countries in

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Speaker 1: South America because we don't want the Russians or the

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Speaker 1: Chinese or the Iranians. I mean, the Iranians have more

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Speaker 1: problems than we do right now. Good luck, good luck

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Speaker 1: to Iran. I think they might be out of business

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Speaker 1: more quickly than anyone realizes. There's a lot of problems

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Speaker 1: over there in the last forty eight to ninety six hours.

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Speaker 5: Dan, always a pleasure. Happy do you it till January

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Speaker 5: twenty seventh?

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Speaker 1: You got I'm with you, Joe, Happy twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: and we'll have many conversations this year. I hope. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: my friend.

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Speaker 5: You bet all.

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Speaker 1: Right, gonna get one more idiot. We got Greg and Ontario.

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Speaker 1: Greg has called in before the Canadian callers have have

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Speaker 1: had had good representations and I you and Clifford, Hey, Greg.

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Speaker 8: Welcome, Yeah that happened.

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Speaker 1: New Year's to you, right back at you. You have

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Speaker 1: called before.

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Speaker 8: That, I know, yeah, yeah, I called actually a couple

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Speaker 8: of times when you were off. I think it was

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Speaker 8: earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your what's your thought on what the US

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Speaker 1: has done in Venezuela.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'll disagree with my fellow Canadian Clifford. I heard

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Speaker 8: him speaking earlier yeah, I support one hundred percent. I

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Speaker 8: think we're at a crossroads here. You know, globally, we've

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Speaker 8: got to take care of some of these tyrants to

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Speaker 8: impose a danger on a lot of different countries.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 8: You know, when you have a country that's bringing in lethal,

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Speaker 8: deadly drugs to kill your population, that's a violation. And

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Speaker 8: then you're transporting your calf, you're transporting it across the golf.

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Speaker 8: You're identified as a as a drug smuggler. You should

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Speaker 8: pay the ultimate price. And that's what any reasonable country

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Speaker 8: should be doing. And I support Donald Truck one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you the president is listening. It would

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Speaker 1: be music to his ears, there's no doubt. And I

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Speaker 1: suspect that. You know, there's a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: Canada who share your viewpoints and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who share the viewpoints of view College Clifford.

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Speaker 8: Well absolutely, Uh, you know, we do have that split

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Speaker 8: in this country as well. It seems to be you know,

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Speaker 8: polarized as well. We have we're not as in cohesive

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Speaker 8: a country as a lot of people might think. We

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Speaker 8: still have Quebec when I separate, we've got Alberta looking

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Speaker 8: you know, they're trying to release the oil onto the market.

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Speaker 8: And you know they're they're they're talking actually a referendum

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Speaker 8: to separate too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm aware. I am aware of that. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we live in it. We both fortunate enough to live

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Speaker 1: in democracies. I think that we have the first Amendment.

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Speaker 1: I wish you guys had a first amendment. My understanding

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Speaker 1: is that there are some restrictions on what you folks

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Speaker 1: can say at different points up there. Am I correct

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Speaker 1: on that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: It's getting pretty scary. Yeah, it really is. Got a

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Speaker 8: government wants to pass. Yeah, they might pass these bills.

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Speaker 8: And you know, here's the thing. The contrast, I'd have

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Speaker 8: been this country all my life, obviously, you know that.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I'm sixty five years old and I'm

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Speaker 8: looking back forty years the way this country was, or

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Speaker 8: even maybe thirty years ago, and I see where it

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Speaker 8: it's heading. It's it seems to be heading, honestly, And

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Speaker 8: a lot of people will agree too in this country

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Speaker 8: that we're going down this scary road of a totalitarian

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Speaker 8: social estate, you know, in conjunction with corporations. And I

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Speaker 8: think the only thing you can say the outcome is

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Speaker 8: going to be like a fascist regime is hope.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to get you to call in earlier.

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Speaker 1: I'm flat up against the eleven. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about international travel or travel next hour, but please, some

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Speaker 1: night we should talk more about what's going on in

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Speaker 1: Canada because we need to understand that, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of what you're seeing now has been going on in

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Speaker 1: England for years and it's kind of metastasized itself across

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Speaker 1: the ocean and I don't want I don't want you

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Speaker 1: to deal with it, and I certainly don't want to

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Speaker 1: deal with it. Great, thank you, Happy New Year to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. We'll talk again. Okay, thanks, but my

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Speaker 1: friend Okay, okay, yeah calling, Okay, thanks. Back on Nightside,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you where I've been, what I've done,

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Speaker 1: and I want to hear from you. Similar tales Tales

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Speaker 1: from around the world coming up on Nightside