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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. Today's show is going

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Speaker 1: to be real provocative. At four o'clock, we've got Eddie

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Speaker 1: Johnston EJ who's going into the Penguins Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: Saturday before the home game it's Columbus. And at five

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Speaker 1: o'clock a guy named Jimmy DeNardo who is a member

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Speaker 1: of the Akrosher Stadium grounds crew, and he's going to

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Speaker 1: talk about how they prepped the field and what the

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Speaker 1: problems have been like when Killerbrew blew out his knee

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Speaker 1: and when Boswell slipped on that field goal attempt. So

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Speaker 1: that's an unusual but I believe a very provocative guest.

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Speaker 1: Today's a provocative show. I now bring on Tommy Radio.

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Speaker 1: Tom Do you hate the Steelers defense as much as

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Speaker 1: I do? Is hate the proper word.

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Speaker 2: I think hate is the proper word because it's sorely

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Speaker 2: letting this team down right now. I mean, this team

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be built on this defense. They said

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Speaker 2: it was historic. Several members of the defense, including the

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Speaker 2: head coach, said it was historic in this office. Some

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Speaker 2: would actually use that word, yeah, in the historic. On

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Speaker 2: the DV Morning Show, he said he thinks it could

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Speaker 2: be historic. What a friggin moron, So it was supposed

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Speaker 2: to be. Rogers just comes in and does just enough

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Speaker 2: to ride a great defense and what should have been

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Speaker 2: a strong running game.

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Speaker 3: No, no, he's carrying it.

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Speaker 2: They're four and two because of Rogers, which actually is

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Speaker 2: to his credit, No, no doubt, I think Rogers.

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Speaker 1: But we should remember that that Justin Fields won four

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Speaker 1: of his first six starts.

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Speaker 3: But I do think Rogers is at a different.

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Speaker 1: Level, especially like we've been harping on thinking the game

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Speaker 1: and the pre snap stuff.

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Speaker 2: And Rodgers has had to deal with a crap defense.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's a crap defense. Fields didn't have to

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Speaker 2: deal with this crappy of a defense last year.

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Speaker 3: You think Rodgers has figured out it's a crap defense.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Rogers is very familiar with crap defenses over his career,

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Speaker 2: letting him down. That happened a lot in Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: He knows it when he sees it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't you think this is the most extreme failure,

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Speaker 1: maybe of any defense he's played on a team with.

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Speaker 3: Because it's the highest pace.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a ton of big names runs it, Smuth and

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Speaker 2: You could absolutely say that. I mean they do two things. Well, Well,

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Speaker 2: they sacked the quarterback. They have five sacks, or their

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Speaker 2: fifth in sacks this year, although they didn't do it

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Speaker 2: that well against Flacco. And they have the fourth most takeaways.

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Speaker 2: But they've gone two straight games without forcing a turnover.

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Speaker 1: Well, how about that stat. They've only for seventeen punts

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Speaker 1: all year.

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Speaker 2: They can't get off the field unless it's by a takeaway.

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Speaker 2: They are not a defense that is built to force

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Speaker 2: a team into three and outs. For whatever reason, they

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Speaker 2: just can't do it.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I know the reason.

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Speaker 1: They play really deep in the secondary trying to prevent

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Speaker 1: the big play, and because of that they died death

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Speaker 3: The defense just can't get, like you said, a three

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Speaker 2: And how many times have you pointed this out? Mark

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Speaker 2: today's day in age third and twelve for these quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: is nothing they don't care about that.

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Speaker 3: Well that's why.

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Speaker 1: And again to reiterate, I'm surprised no one's picked up

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Speaker 1: on this, but then again, I am smarter than just

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Speaker 1: about everybody. The first and second on sack doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It's too easy to get the back. The only sack

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Speaker 1: that really matters is the third down or fourth on sack.

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Speaker 2: Perfect example of that against the Bengals. Benton gets a

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Speaker 2: It looks like, oh, here was gonna sack Flacco. The

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Speaker 2: next play he hits Higgins for like a fifteen yard

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Dipstick Bent, who said one good game in his entire

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Speaker 2: They can't stop. They literally cannot stop. They get run

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Speaker 2: all over by the worst rushing offense in football. And

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Speaker 2: he goes on a podcast and says, we still have

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Speaker 2: one of the best defensive lines in all of the league.

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Speaker 1: What is it that the definition of gas lighting just

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Speaker 1: telling a lie into truth.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you just speak it so many times that it

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Speaker 3: Now I mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like the Minka trade for Ramsey and

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Speaker 2: It's a bust because they're not getting enough out of

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Speaker 2: But I don't know if Mink is any good either,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I just think it might

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Speaker 1: I think Ramsey's doing his best. I think he's been

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Speaker 2: They should just leave him in the slot. He cannot

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Speaker 2: play outside anymore. There's just no chance he can do that.

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Speaker 2: I bet you when Chase comes to town Tho in

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, they put him on the outside again.

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Speaker 1: People talk about, you know, they need to get a

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Speaker 1: They need to have Slay and Porter on the outside,

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Speaker 2: One thing I disagree with you there. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if Slave should be on the outside. They should just

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Speaker 1: But don't you agree that a safety to compliment Elliott

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Elliott's great as the strong safety, but they got.

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Speaker 3: Nothing in the great he's good enough.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, I got over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Elliott's your best safety. You're in trouble. That doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean he ain't good, but he should be your second

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Speaker 2: And furthermore, the drop off between him and Thornhill or

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Speaker 2: I mean those guys just.

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Speaker 3: Think, what would you bench Peyton Wilson to play Hulcom Moore?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would actually play Malik Harrison more. He started

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Speaker 2: more of a Hulcome week this week. But moving forward,

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Speaker 2: Malik Harrison's kind of like that at Landon Roberts type

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Speaker 1: Well, and you got Karol lost today saying, well, we

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Speaker 1: don't play the dime as much because Peyton Wilson's good

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Speaker 1: in pass coverage.

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Speaker 2: No he's not. He sucks so bad pass.

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Speaker 3: But again that's another he gaslighted. I'm the best pass

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Speaker 3: coverage linebacker in the world. He's not. He sucks, But

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Speaker 3: people repeat that quote. He got burned.

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Speaker 2: In that preseason game against Jacksonville and oh, it's a

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Speaker 2: preseason game, we'll see, but that was an omen.

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Speaker 1: And this is why I hate the defense. If they

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Speaker 2: Like if Benton went on that podcast, in his SoundBite

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Speaker 2: was we're one of the worst defensive lines in football

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Speaker 2: right now until we prove otherwise. That's the SoundBite you

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Speaker 1: No, the best sound from Keonu Benton should be silence.

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Speaker 1: He should shut the frig up. Peyton Wilson should shut

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Speaker 1: the frig up. But the thing is with benching Peyton

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Speaker 1: Wilson to playing holkome more. You don't only bench people

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Speaker 2: They, unless you're Nick Herbig apparently against the Bengals, who

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Speaker 2: only plays twenty nine percent of the snaps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But as I've said, I buy into that.

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Speaker 1: I think he's put in a position to succeed, although

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Speaker 1: I do think Highsmith sucks and I think two of

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Speaker 1: the worst mistakes.

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Speaker 3: This team makes so many.

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Speaker 1: Mistakes that we don't call mistakes, but they're crippling mistakes,

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Speaker 1: and two of them are signing high Smith and Firemouth

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Speaker 1: to those deals.

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Speaker 2: Back to your original point of playing hulkom more than

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Speaker 2: Wilson and what I said about playing Echos more than

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Speaker 2: Sligh that really does nothing. You're just shifting chairs on

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Speaker 2: the Titanic. I mean, those guys aren't going to come

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Speaker 2: in and be great inside linebackers and outside corners. It's

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Speaker 2: just the guys that have been starting sucks. So you

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Speaker 2: got to try something else.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know what's happened.

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Speaker 1: The team sucks and we're no, seriously, We're We're like like,

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Speaker 1: it's like I've been reading a lot on Pearl Harbor lately,

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Speaker 1: which is very interesting, and this is like trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out why the us SS Arizona blew up. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell White blew up. They dropped the bomb into the

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Speaker 1: ammunition hole. That's what happened to Steelers defense. Like Joe

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Speaker 1: Flacco is the latest to drop a bomb into the

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Speaker 1: ammunition hold.

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Speaker 2: And then meanwhile, the offense isn't bad led by Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: It's not great, but it's good enough to probably get

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Speaker 2: him to nine and eight.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, nine and eight could win the division.

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Speaker 2: Lamar's gonna play this week. I know he's been limited

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Speaker 2: all the way. But he's gonna play.

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Speaker 3: They beat chicag you think so, I do. If they don't,

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Speaker 3: they're not gonna win the division.

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Speaker 1: If they don't there because you don't go from one

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Speaker 1: to six to winning a division, you just don't.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: It really hinges on what they do this week against

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Speaker 2: the Bears. If they beat them, though, I think they

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Speaker 2: start rolling downhill.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll talk more about this later, but you know

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Speaker 1: who's gonna make a runners the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: The you're gonna beat the Jets, be four and four.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask you that, how can you

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Speaker 2: write off the Bengals though they're three and four. They're

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Speaker 2: in the position behind the Steelers to strike. They play

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Speaker 2: the Steelers again, they beat the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I'll be on bet Park seeing with the odds on

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Speaker 1: for them to win the division. I'm interested. What's going

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Speaker 1: wrong with Porter? I expected more, but like I said,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers do so bad with Corner.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was with Matt Williamson last night doing

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Speaker 2: the show we do out at Parks Social, and he

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Speaker 2: was saying they're stuck playing a lot of zone again

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Speaker 2: because Ramsey's cooked and can't play man Sleigh can't play

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Speaker 2: man and Porter Junior is a man de man type

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Speaker 2: of corner. But my point to him was why can't

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Speaker 2: he play zone?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Why is he so garbage at zone?

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 2: And also when he's in man to man he's also

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Speaker 2: not playing that graat he's grabbed me?

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Speaker 3: But why can't he just play man?

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Speaker 2: I don't We can't do man on one side and

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Speaker 2: with their communication issues? You want him to do two

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Speaker 3: You got a big hockey game tonight?

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Speaker 1: Done in Florida Penguins a surprising five and two visit

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a big one.

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Speaker 1: Tom is Florida crippled by the injuries to Kachuck and

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Speaker 3: Not to that's their two best players, bark up In, Kachuk.

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Speaker 2: True, and they're out for Barkoff's done for the season,

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Speaker 2: Like you're so good, we need single shit right like

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Speaker 3: Boys. Well, here's where Florida screwed.

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Speaker 1: Not only are you missing your your stars, your two

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Speaker 3: Then in your depth is compromise.

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Speaker 3: Good for him, but you're going, no.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna go anywhere with that. They're four and

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Speaker 1: Home Well that's their biggest, biggest hope is that they

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Speaker 2: You would have ever thought of Florida team would have

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Speaker 1: I mean when they stink, they don't because nobody goes

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Speaker 2: Good, right, But it's the only thing going right now

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Speaker 1: It's funny Florida and Tampa have you know, been successful.

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Speaker 1: what's funny they win, but there shouldn't be teams.

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Speaker 2: There, you know, not to take it to a place

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Speaker 3: Huh?

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Speaker 2: Only four points so far. We were both talking about

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Speaker 3: I like when we said Jake went there to win.

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Speaker 2: they'll probably be a one and done it the best

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Speaker 3: The Penguin almost beat them out.

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Speaker 2: I think was that the first one they made that

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Speaker 3: I think that might have been the first Cup.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure and then they lost that one, and

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Speaker 2: next year you come back with Barkoff healthy, could Chuck healthy.

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Speaker 2: Like their windows not closed by any stretch. This just

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Speaker 2: the future.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, I think this.

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Speaker 1: Is just a really unfortunate Yeah, because of the injuries,

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Speaker 1: and like you said, maybe it would be better for

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Speaker 3: That sounds so so.

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Speaker 1: Losory, But when you've been in three straight finals, maybe

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Speaker 2: I mean, these guys have had what like two months

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Speaker 2: It's just insane to sustain that kind of level of success. Plus,

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Speaker 2: the season when you've just come off of back to

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Speaker 2: does it like after you've been in those intense playoff

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Speaker 2: matchups so often, no.

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Speaker 1: Having seen you know, the five peg with teams you know,

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Speaker 1: p's and q's tactically, but you're ready to play. There's

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Speaker 1: there's no question about that. By the way, Tom, you

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Speaker 3: The teams that have won figured that out. Now.

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Speaker 1: Jarr's in goal tonight at Florida. Muse continues his straight

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Speaker 3: It's working.

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Speaker 2: I can't blame them. Their fifth best in the league

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Speaker 2: Both of them have the most shutouts. Sea LOFs has won,

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Speaker 2: Jari has won, So yeah, how could you knock it?

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Speaker 2: And really, Mark, who cares about you know, getting Jar

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Speaker 2: the goalie. Don't think neither of them are the future

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Speaker 1: Niche neither of them well. I think shil Loves might

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Speaker 2: I bet you that mus will still stick with his rotation.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he's the type of coach that will

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Speaker 3: I think the first time that situation occurs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and then if it doesn't play out better the

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Speaker 3: I think it's more likely that they both play bad

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Speaker 2: These numbers are a bit of a mirage I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're playing good defense and good systems in

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Speaker 2: Even if he does project to be a center in

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Speaker 2: You'd wanted to be centering one of the top two

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's why you know it better next year

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Speaker 1: or the year after y. That's why you can't keep Geno.

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Speaker 1: You can't have Gino block Kindle.

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Speaker 3: At nineteen right.

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Speaker 1: So like, if indeed Kindle is ready to be that

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that put Kendall on Sidney Crosby's

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Speaker 2: It would make it impossible to get him back to

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Speaker 2: for him. Let him skate with one of the all

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Speaker 2: I bet you the Penguins says, you've noted would be

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Speaker 2: Do you have to say, Brassars, Fine, I guess you

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Speaker 2: have to, But you're still waiting for him to just

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Speaker 2: go back to being a bomb and he can't stay

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Speaker 2: on the second line like when the MC when McGroarty

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Speaker 2: gets healthy and do the problem.

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Speaker 1: With winning, and that's the problem with him producing. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree like mcgroarty's the top six. The McGroarty should

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Speaker 1: be playing on Gino's wing. Brawsers Priory might wind up

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Speaker 1: being a real good third line guy.

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Speaker 3: He's a middle six.

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Speaker 2: I'd also say maybe Gino's hot second.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna put McGroarty on the third line

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Speaker 1: to see if Brazo can keep being Eric Glyndross.

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Speaker 2: I'd also say Gino's hot start is pretty surprising, but

456
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Speaker 2: we saw this last year. In fact, he was even

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Speaker 2: hotter last year when he started season.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'd say, Uh, Shaye and Watherspoon because

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Speaker 1: they don't suck being good defenders.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're okay, they're playing all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially Shae like who really saw anything coming from

462
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Speaker 2: Ryan Shay at the beginning of the season. Brunnick and Kenna,

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Speaker 2: we talked about this yesterday. Bruneck and Kendall adapting and

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Speaker 2: seamlessly fitting into the NHL like they have is very

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Speaker 2: impressive too.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: And then they have to partner up with Tanger and

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Speaker 1: Carlson and and that's you know, not necessarily easy though Tanger.

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Speaker 1: Tanger had a good game in the game against Vancouver

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Speaker 1: and Carlston except for I think the third game he

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Speaker 1: was really bad. But but he's he's you know, played

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Speaker 1: pretty buttoned up. And I hate him because I hate why.

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Speaker 1: Because he's doing it because he felt snubbed by Sweden

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Speaker 1: not picking him among the first six for the Olympics,

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Speaker 1: and he wants to prove something. How about just justifying

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Speaker 1: your bloated contract and helping a team win that you've

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Speaker 1: been nothing but an albatross around their neck since the

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Speaker 1: day you got here.

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Speaker 2: You're not under any illusion that it's you know, being

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Speaker 2: a good soldier for the new head coach too, setting

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Speaker 2: an example for the young guys.

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Speaker 3: I think Eric.

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Speaker 1: Carl's thinks about nobody but himself, and he does it

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Speaker 1: in kind of a likable way.

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Speaker 3: Double mon the x Tom.

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Speaker 1: We were talking earlier about the state of the AFC North.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is practicing for Baltimore. No word for sure

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Speaker 1: on whether he's gonna play when Chicago visits the Ravens

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, and you don't want to rush back Lamar

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Speaker 1: from his hammy butt.

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Speaker 3: Chicago don't stink this year.

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Speaker 1: They're four and two and Caleb Williams is better at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and Baltimore's one and five, and if you lose to.

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Speaker 3: Chicago you're one and six.

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Speaker 1: You'd probably have to win out to make the playoffs

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Speaker 1: or win nine out of ten, But you don't win

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Speaker 1: nine out of ten after starting one and six, and

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Speaker 1: Baltimore stinks beyond just not having Lamar. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati is much more likely to rally from three to

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Speaker 1: four behind Flacco than Baltimore is to rally from one

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Speaker 1: to five.

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Speaker 3: Even if Lamar does come back.

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Speaker 1: Baltimore's defense is collapsed, maybe worse than the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Their safety suck.

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Speaker 1: They got communication breakdowns into secondary That may sound vaguely familiar.

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Speaker 1: Baltimore's coach is a dope, just like the Steelers coach,

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Speaker 1: and I have zero faith in the Steelers, but they

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Speaker 1: are still so set up to win the division just

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Speaker 1: because of the way the division is crumbled to this point.

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Speaker 1: Although again, Cincinnati three and four just beat the Steelers

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Speaker 1: plays host to the Jets this week, so Cincinnati will

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Speaker 1: be four and four. If the Steelers lose and Cincinnati wins,

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati is a half game behind. Yikes, I started to

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Speaker 1: like the Bengals. What if Flacco wins like four more

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Speaker 1: in a row. Do you take them out when Burrow

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Speaker 1: comes back? Of course you do, but that turf toast

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Speaker 1: tricky Tom. What if Flacco would win like the next

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Speaker 1: four and they're, you know, either in first or real

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Speaker 1: close to the Steelers, and Burrow comes back and then

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Speaker 1: plays bat Do you just let him keep playing bad

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Speaker 1: and lose the division because he's Joe Burrow? Or do

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Speaker 1: you ride the hot hand with Flacco. That sounds ridiculous

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Speaker 1: to say, but would be incredibly intriguing to watch play out.

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Speaker 2: I honestly wonder if they won't even have to make

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Speaker 2: that decision because of what you said about turf Toe

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Speaker 2: being a real mother.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it would not shock Burrow didn't play the rest

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Speaker 1: of the year. I think if there's any DoPT they

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Speaker 1: should have him not playing. Agreed, And I think we.

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Speaker 3: Should remember that here in Pittsburgh that injury certainly hit.

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Speaker 3: Something goes.

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Speaker 2: Jack Lambert saw his career end because of turf Toe.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals are the bigger threat right now, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the math just dictates that they've for the

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Speaker 2: long term.

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Speaker 1: Who was when when the season ends, if the Steelers

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Speaker 1: don't win the AFC North, who is most likely to

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Speaker 1: win it?

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Speaker 2: I still don't know if I can say it's the

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Speaker 2: Bengals there. I think the Ravens still have a little

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Speaker 2: bit of life. I can't say that at one and

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Speaker 2: sick because they beat the Bears this week. If they

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Speaker 2: be hinges on that, I mean they go Dolphins via Kings, Browns, Jets,

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Speaker 2: couple Bengals, couple Steelers after that. It's so soft for

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Speaker 2: the Ravens. If they can get this.

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Speaker 3: Way, you think the Ravens are gonna kill the Bears, right.

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Speaker 2: If Lamar plays, I don't know about kill them. I

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Speaker 2: meant that the floodgates would open, that they would just

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Speaker 2: kind of start rolling as after the Bears game. They

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Speaker 2: would just start winning a lot and go on a

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Speaker 2: big streak. If Lamar plays, they'll win the Bears game.

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Speaker 2: I think it really just hinges on that they're getting

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Speaker 2: a lot of their defensive players back.

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Speaker 3: To struggles because he's been out.

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Speaker 1: What if he plays and gets hurt again, What if

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Speaker 1: he plays in the hamstrings on all the way back.

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Speaker 2: What if he plays and gets hurt again, What if

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Speaker 2: the hamstrings on all the way back? I understand that

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Speaker 2: he was one of the best. He was the best

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Speaker 2: quarterback in football before he got hurt. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: weren't losing because of him. He was lighting it up.

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel Flacco's gonna keep winning ITAs Cincinnati. He's

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Speaker 1: good enough, and that team is so weaponized, and Cincinnati's

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Speaker 1: gonna beat the Jets sun they still gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Four and four.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if Baltimore losed it to Chicago, Tom,

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Speaker 1: let's look at it from that potential, and it's one

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Speaker 1: and six, it's done. Yeah, they're not gonna win ten

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Speaker 1: in a row or nine out of ten. They're just not.

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Speaker 1: Nobody reverses fields like that from one to six. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even should they do it?

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Speaker 3: From what? Would they be? Two and five?

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Speaker 2: Two and five if they beat the Bears yet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, mister math here, of course that's

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Speaker 1: what they'd beat. Uh yeah, I mean it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: tough either way.

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Speaker 2: No doubt it is. I agree with you. If the

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Speaker 2: Bears get the win in M and T Banks Stadium

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Speaker 2: in Baltimore this week and they're done the Bengals, they'll

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Speaker 2: be five hundred. They're gonna beat the Jets. The one

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Speaker 2: thing with the Bengals though, Mark Flacco's gonna have that

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Speaker 2: offense scoring. Those receivers are gonna get theirs well.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, they're just so weaponized no matter who

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Speaker 1: the quarterback is, as long as it's not Jake Brown.

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Speaker 2: But their defense still sucks. I mean you can't ignore that.

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Speaker 2: Like they still might lose a game to the Bears

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Speaker 2: thirty three, thirty one, they could lose to the Jets.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that, Jester.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the Jets gonna go oh in seventeen?

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Speaker 2: It's a chance. I think, Well, they do play the

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Speaker 2: Dolphins one more time.

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Speaker 3: Okah, you don't agree.

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Speaker 1: If you don't think they're gonna go oh in seventeen,

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Speaker 1: then this is one of the games they could win.

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Speaker 2: I thought last week was one of the games they

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Speaker 2: could win against the Panthers. They lost the thirteen to six.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Tom, I have changed my mind. The

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Speaker 1: Steelers should keep Aaron Rodgers. They should be planning on

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Speaker 1: it as we speak, because Tom Win sucks with quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and Rogers is too old for tom Win to ruin.

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Speaker 1: Being decrepit might ruin him. Injuries might ruin him. You know,

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Speaker 1: him turning to dust might ruin him. Tom Win can't

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Speaker 1: ruin him.

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Speaker 2: That's my big worry about this. You know, going back

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Speaker 2: to the draft and drafting the franchise quarterback, Like what

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Speaker 2: would tell you that this organization, that this coaching staff

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Speaker 2: has any acumen to develop a quarterback into being that guy.

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Speaker 2: They almost need like to fall into a Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: where it's can't miss, Like he's just gonna be good

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Speaker 2: no matter what.

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Speaker 1: If the Steelers are drafted Joe Burrow, he would he

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Speaker 1: might miss.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, I'm telling.

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Speaker 2: You, he's one of a kind of player.

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Speaker 3: Oh whoever they get a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If they draft the guy in the first round next year,

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Speaker 1: Tom Win will absolutely ruin him. Tom He'll make him

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Speaker 1: a game manager. No good young quarterbacks should want to

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Speaker 1: come to Pittsburgh. Any good young quarterback that gets drafted

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Speaker 1: by the Steelers in the first round next year should

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Speaker 1: put an Eli manning and just refuse.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not kidding. I am not kidding.

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Speaker 2: It's a good point anyway, because you're only going to

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Speaker 2: ever get that guy a Burrow that's unruinable. Number one overall,

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Speaker 2: they'll never.

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Speaker 3: Be the name.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think they might take a good

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Speaker 1: look at Will Howard, that they might consider him a

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Speaker 1: guy who can be their quarterback. You know why, because

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Speaker 1: he could be what they want him to be and

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Speaker 1: nobody would say that was poor development.

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Speaker 2: He'll play the game manager role and maybe do it well,

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Speaker 2: but they're not even gonna be good enough to develop

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Speaker 2: him into being a good game manager. They have just

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Speaker 2: shown no track record at doing so. Look at what

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Speaker 2: happened to Pickets.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Mike Toma will ever win another playoff

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Speaker 1: game in Pittsburgh. If we can cut to the chase

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Speaker 1: by saying that, and look at all the things that

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Speaker 1: he screws up, including quarterbacks and cornerbacks and this year's defense,

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Speaker 1: Mike Toma will never win another playoff game in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt will never win a playoff game anywhere, so it

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Speaker 1: has been said, so it will come to pass.

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Speaker 2: He's got a good shot with Aaron Rodgers. Not a

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Speaker 2: good shot. He's probably got his best shot remaining with

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Speaker 2: Rodgers this year if he gets that home playoff game

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Speaker 2: and he wins the division and just kind of riding

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Speaker 2: Rogers coattails and winning a playoff, then in.

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Speaker 1: A playoff game this year, Tom look forward to me

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Speaker 1: excoriating everyone who deserves it. Tom Win will just get

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Speaker 1: just crushed by me every day for until I get

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Speaker 1: tired of doing it, and I won't ever get tired

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Speaker 1: of doing it. Same with Watton Hayward all this blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, give me money. F you win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game.

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Speaker 2: It would be all on the defense. It would be

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Speaker 2: all on the defense if he stays healthy Rodgers, which

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Speaker 2: is still a big if because he's old as dirt

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Speaker 2: and he could get hurt at any moment. But if

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Speaker 2: he stays healthy plays at this level, the defense will

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Speaker 2: be the reason that they were let down this year

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Speaker 2: and don't win that playoff game.

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Speaker 1: The only man I won't blame will be my favorite Steeler, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: Tom. Do you ever heard of a guy named Jocko Yet?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: In his final season of junior hockey, he had seventy

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Speaker 1: six goals and ninety four assists and sixty two games,

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Speaker 1: and he never played a game of professional hockey.

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Speaker 3: We'll tell you why later in the show. One oh

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Speaker 3: five nine y X.

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Speaker 4: It's The Woody Show, weekday mornings at six, Training news headlines,

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Speaker 4: redneck news.

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Speaker 3: And more on one five.

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Speaker 2: From the Dollar Energy Fund Weather Center.

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Speaker 3: This report is sponsored by All States. It's got to

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Speaker 3: be Cloud.

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Speaker 4: It's the mark Man.

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Speaker 3: Tom. What have we got for today's trifecta?

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Speaker 2: For today's trifecta. Mark, I'm sure you've seen this gambling

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Speaker 2: thing that's happening with the NBA with Chauncey Billups, head

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Speaker 2: coach of the Blazers getting arrested Terry Rogi or a

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Speaker 2: player getting arrested.

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Speaker 1: Like an FBI thing. And this is like what fixed

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Speaker 1: poker games. It's like a mobbed up situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some illegal sports betting. They didn't get into

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Speaker 2: the details of that. That was more vague as far

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Speaker 2: as that is concerned. But it's a part of it too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like mafia run poker games. It's very weird stuff. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: that inspired today's trifecta of three gambling moments in movies.

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Speaker 2: Number one on this list.

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Speaker 3: I already got a number one.

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Speaker 2: We'll starting at number three. Do you like the James

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Speaker 2: Bond movies Casino?

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Speaker 3: I've never ever watched one of them?

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Speaker 2: Why why not? That surpressed me a little bit because

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Speaker 2: it's not like Super Side generally don't like franchises, Okay,

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Speaker 2: but it's like an action movie, and you like action movies.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, but I don't like give you a case

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Speaker 3: in point.

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Speaker 1: I watched the First Batman with Nicholson and Michael Keaton,

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Speaker 1: but that when it became a franchise, I just wasn't interesting.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, But Casino Royal's on this list. The

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Speaker 2: poker match in that is just epic. Number two for

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Speaker 2: me is Alan's rain Man moment though in the Hangover

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Speaker 2: movie when they need to get the chips and they

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Speaker 2: come down the escalator.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing seeing them coming on the elevator and Bradley

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Speaker 1: Cooper like flipping off the security game.

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Speaker 2: When they start winning and they.

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Speaker 3: Start racking it out, I can't lose. But then it

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Speaker 3: just a lot of to write. Number one.

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Speaker 2: Number one is when Matt Damon picks up on Teddy

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Speaker 2: KGB's tell by the Oreos in Rounders.

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Speaker 1: No, I would drop. That's a good moment. I would drop.

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Speaker 1: I would drop.

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Speaker 2: You drop Cassina Royale because you don't like it.

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Speaker 1: I dropped Cassino Royal period. I've dropped Rounders to two.

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Speaker 1: I would drop the all. And there's no doubt the

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Speaker 1: cheating scene in Casino.

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Speaker 2: I should have known that you would have gone there,

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Speaker 2: not not least because when they find out the guy's cheating,

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Speaker 2: not LEAs just.

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Speaker 1: Because the background music is Jeff Beck with rodgstort On vocals.

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Speaker 1: Oh so a Deans superstitious black catches.

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Speaker 2: Crossed my path, So that's right up your alley.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and plus the scene's great.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the whole movie is great.

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Speaker 3: They hit him with the cattle prod. They break his hand.

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Speaker 2: Now, the whole movie is great.

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Speaker 3: I love this made a bad mistake. That's right, you

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Speaker 3: made a bad mistake.

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Speaker 2: I love those shakedown kind of scenes. Have you ever

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Speaker 2: seen the movie twenty one, that gambling movie with Kevin Spacey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: It takes the mit kids when Lawrence Fishburne is shaking

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Speaker 2: them down in the back room and beating them up.

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Speaker 2: That's a great shakedown scene too.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: The thing with that, the Nero scene where they break

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Speaker 1: the guy's hand with the hammer.

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Speaker 3: That happened in Vegas back.

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Speaker 2: Then, I'm sure all the time.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like, and.

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Speaker 1: The casinos didn't cheat you, Like in the very early

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Speaker 1: days of Vegas when the well the very early days

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Speaker 1: of being mobbed up, they would have crooked dealers and

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Speaker 1: have like mechanics who could do from the bottom and

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Speaker 1: cheat customers. But then they realized that the way to

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Speaker 1: make money was the mass produce the gambling and just

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Speaker 1: let the odds, you know, favor the house and and

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Speaker 1: win for the house, which they always do. But but

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Speaker 1: but God forbid you cheat them even even to well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the one thing where they're out of line.

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Speaker 1: Counting cards is not cheating. It's a skill, and they

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Speaker 1: treat it as cheating. They can ban you, they can

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Speaker 1: ban you.

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Speaker 3: You know where they don't ban you is Atlantic City.

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Speaker 2: If you count cards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't. It's illegal to do that. It's it's

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Speaker 1: illegal to do ban you for that.

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Speaker 2: As it should be. It's such a skill to do that,

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Speaker 2: and a hard skill. Even if you're good at it,

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Speaker 2: you could still screw it up sometimes. So plus you

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Speaker 2: got to know how many decks they're working with too,

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Speaker 2: right to truly be able to count the cards, like

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Speaker 2: how much.

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Speaker 1: You do know how many decks? But the more decks

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Speaker 1: there are, the more difficulty hard to do. The more

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Speaker 1: decks there are, the rare it is you get to

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Speaker 1: a good count. Okay, yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: It's almost no.

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Speaker 1: Single or double left in Vegas, and even most the

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Speaker 1: single deck games, well most of the script pay six

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Speaker 1: to five on blackjack, which just I mean, if you're

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Speaker 1: in the game to pay six.

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Speaker 3: To five for blackjack.

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Speaker 1: You should have like an apocust there or a slide

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Speaker 1: rule and count the cards right in front of him,

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Speaker 1: because it's still won't do you enough good.

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Speaker 2: So I failed you a little bit there with number one.

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Speaker 2: But you like rounders, so my number one wasn't bad.

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Speaker 2: When Matt Damon's face realizes it with the oreos when

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Speaker 2: he starts to lick the cream and he's just like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, he's got nothing.

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Speaker 1: What what about? What about rounders though? Made you improperly

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Speaker 1: suspend disbelief?

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Speaker 3: What? What plot holes did you see?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Is there an obvious one that should

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Speaker 2: have been hitting me in the face?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: You know in Atlantic City where all the all the

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Speaker 1: New York pros are sitting at the same table, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they would not want to sit at the same table.

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Speaker 1: And you you don't pick a table in a poker

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Speaker 1: room in a casino, you get a sign.

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Speaker 3: So that would not have happened, that that.

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Speaker 2: Would make sense. Why would a bunch of pros just

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Speaker 2: jump in with a bunch of pros like themselves?

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Speaker 3: Exactly right?

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Speaker 2: What did you think of his accent? The Russian accent

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Speaker 2: from Malcovich in that movie.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was intentionally overly exaggerated and Gould because

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: Malcovich is great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought, I forget the guy's name.

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Speaker 1: He was the dad in Call Me by Your Name Too,

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Speaker 1: who played Grandma Michaels Pauli I thought, I thought he

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Speaker 1: was brilliant too.

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Speaker 3: And Edward Norton, come on.

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Speaker 2: I had Norton John's in the movie too.

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Speaker 3: Edward Norton is just a worthless piece of crap.

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Speaker 1: It's an all time movie. And that was like, that

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Speaker 1: was I mean, it wasn't a subplot. It was one

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Speaker 1: of the main focus of the movie. But it kind

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Speaker 1: of got Austin to shuffle because in a way, that's

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Speaker 1: an action movie, am I right?

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Speaker 2: Rounders?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, so it's an action movie.

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Speaker 1: But the subplot of the two best friends were the

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Speaker 1: one constantly betrays the other, yeah, and doesn't lose a

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Speaker 1: second sleep over it. And it takes Matt Damon forever

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Speaker 1: to figure that out. He had to get the crap

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Speaker 1: beat out of him by cops to figure.

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Speaker 2: It out, literally, get it beaten into him.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right right.

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Speaker 1: The trifecta Breathless by Danny's patron Hogies Pittsburgh George oven

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Speaker 1: bake Togy since nineteen sixty that's.

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Speaker 3: Our dadiena Bethel Park.

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Speaker 1: And of course the pregame show was brought to us

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Speaker 1: by good friends that Shandorovin, Shendrovins and Fishmen. They got

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Speaker 1: your back and not your wallet. We got Eddie Johnston

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Speaker 1: who's going to Pengwins Hall of Fame. He joins me

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Speaker 1: at four o'clock and we're gonna talk mostly about when

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Speaker 1: he drafted Maryolemu in nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna give you the background on that h.

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Speaker 1: Just after the short break here, because that wasn't as

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Speaker 1: simple as it sounded.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, pick Mario, who wouldn't do that? Well.

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Speaker 1: EJ never wavered, but there were some people thought he

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Speaker 1: shouldn't do it. The Hockey News they said to them,

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Speaker 1: you might be a bust. The Penguins chief scout won

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Speaker 1: the draft, Kirk Muller.

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Speaker 3: Instead.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to all that just around the corner and

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Speaker 1: then EJ at four o'clock, one oh five to nine.

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Speaker 2: Now it's your chance to win. One thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: Just entered this