WEBVTT - Scott Sloan with Jason Phillabaum -- 10/28/25

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<v Speaker 2>you Go. So the news breaking not long ago that

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<v Speaker 2>the City of Cincinnati is paying a local law firm,

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<v Speaker 2>Frost Brown Todd forty k to investigate police Terry Thigi's

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<v Speaker 2>performance after they fired her. Normally you investigate the performance

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<v Speaker 2>and go okay. They got to go this is completely backwards,

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<v Speaker 2>and they expect the law firm to be finished by

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the year. So it's going to cost

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<v Speaker 2>us forty grand and the city is still shelling out

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<v Speaker 2>the full salary and benefits to Terry Fiji of in

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<v Speaker 2>excess of two hundred thousand dollars. Because of this nonsense,

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<v Speaker 2>she hired her own employment lawyer, Stephen m and he

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<v Speaker 2>has no intention of allowing her to resign because she

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<v Speaker 2>said there's nothing negative. Thirty five years on the job

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<v Speaker 2>to the date when she was removed. Thirty five years,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing significant, nothing minor. In her jacket, pretty exemplary, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five year law career that she's had, so why now.

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<v Speaker 2>And also there's some developing news overnight regarding the scope

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<v Speaker 2>of the investigation what the law firm is going to

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<v Speaker 2>look for. Specifically, joining the show is attorney Jason Philibaum,

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<v Speaker 2>who's been around the block a few times. Jason, welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>how are.

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<v Speaker 1>You, good morning? Thank you doing well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this whole thing right away, it just just screams

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<v Speaker 2>like wrongful dismissal in a sense, because before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into the intricacies of at Jason Phillim, I look at

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<v Speaker 2>this and go, Okay, I've been on the job for

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five years, and on my thirty fifth anniversary, I

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<v Speaker 2>get noticed that I'm now on paid administratively, if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in Denver, Colorado, I get summoned back from this conference

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<v Speaker 2>to Cincinnati because I'm probably gonna get fired. And she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't technically fired. She's on paid leave, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>because of something happened. I mean the Fountain Square issue.

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<v Speaker 2>It happened days a couple of days after she left

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<v Speaker 2>for Denver, so nothing new was going on here. And

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<v Speaker 2>then furthermore, they come in and go, Okay, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to put you on leave. We're going to name an

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<v Speaker 2>interim chief, by the way, not a temporary position, but

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<v Speaker 2>interim generally means between the past into the future. If

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<v Speaker 2>it was someone let's say that Scott forbid she were sick,

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<v Speaker 2>there would be someone temporarily there, right, So that would

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<v Speaker 2>be someone who is not an interim chief. There'd be

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<v Speaker 2>another adjective for that, it'd be acting chief. And so

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<v Speaker 2>they even chose the words incorrectly here. If you're not firing,

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<v Speaker 2>if she's not fired, then why I have an interim chief?

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<v Speaker 2>Does that not help the legal case against the city

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<v Speaker 2>from Terry Thiji, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. I think this looks like a witch hut.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of this guy that had one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>arrows in the side of his barn and he would

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<v Speaker 1>ask how he did it, and he said, it was easy.

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<v Speaker 1>I shoot an arrow into the side of the barn

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<v Speaker 1>and then I go ahead and paint the bull's eye

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<v Speaker 1>around it. And you know what I think you have

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<v Speaker 1>here is you have a situation where you know they

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<v Speaker 1>they want her gone. I mean that's clear. And instead

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<v Speaker 1>of just terminating and worrying about whether they have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay out a contract or not, they then hire a

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<v Speaker 1>law firm, you know, approximately one hundred to one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty hours of work to essentially investigate her. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I can tell you, you know, being around

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<v Speaker 1>the block. As you say, you know, if you start

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<v Speaker 1>investigating someone that has thirty five years of experience, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you may not find something illegal. But I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to find some policy that's been broken that

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<v Speaker 1>everybody breaks, and then that's going to be their linch pin.

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<v Speaker 1>But it sounds to me like there's some issues in

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati and they're using her as escapegoat.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not easy to dismissible gig. Well, we investigated

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<v Speaker 2>and we found this in your jacket, which should be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, essentially it's already something that's known but didn't

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<v Speaker 2>rise the level of termination. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the argument from Steve and m would be, well, not

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<v Speaker 2>only did you know this because it's part of you

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<v Speaker 2>also promoted her in rank to the chief of police,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're complicit in this whole thing. You're finding her

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<v Speaker 2>for something you had no problem that she did at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. You can't that's revision.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that that's going to cost the money in't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's the that's the process I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're going down here that I'm not sure is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be wise what they're trying to do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they want or gone. Like you said, they even use

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<v Speaker 1>the word interim, so she's gone, she's not going to resign,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're going to want a terminator. Now in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>we'ren't at will state, so you can terminate someone as

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<v Speaker 1>long as it's not based on some you know, illegal reason, race, gender,

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<v Speaker 1>national origin, et cetera. But she is probably under a contract.

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<v Speaker 1>So if that's the case, then they can only terminate

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<v Speaker 1>her from that contract for just cause there's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be a good reason why. And it could be policy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some type of policy being broken. Obviously, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be something illegal, or it could just be mismanagement

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<v Speaker 1>of the you know, the city. So those are things

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to be looking for. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the issue with that too is, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>do know that crime is up, and we know that

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<v Speaker 1>violent crime is up. But her Herney said the other

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<v Speaker 1>day that she's offered to sit down with the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>and the judges to talk about you know, these these

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<v Speaker 1>bonds that are being given because that could be one

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<v Speaker 1>situation that why crime is up is essentially if someone

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<v Speaker 1>gets arrested for a violent crime and is back out

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<v Speaker 1>on the street, you know, a few days later, you

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<v Speaker 1>know crime is not going to go away, and and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like, you know, election year, you're now having

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where the that's let's get rid of the

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<v Speaker 1>police chief, and that's why there's all these problems going

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<v Speaker 1>on in Cincinnati. Instead, it may be, you know, leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you have to be a political analysis

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<v Speaker 2>supple political mind like like a Willie Cunningham, James Carvill

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<v Speaker 2>or something that right where they for the regular voter,

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<v Speaker 2>for the rank and five or the typical constituent, they

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<v Speaker 2>see this, they see right through it. I think every

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<v Speaker 2>man and woman who doesn't have a jurisd doctorate is

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<v Speaker 2>not educated in WAW like like you are. Jason Phillibaum.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I look at him and go, they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>a dirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that's what a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are thinking. Now. You know, play Devil's Advocate for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, crime is up. We talked about that, is

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<v Speaker 1>there something she should have been doing that she's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is she not you know, putting the police

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<v Speaker 1>in the right position, or her subordinates telling her that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you should you should put police here, you

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<v Speaker 1>should maybe do some kind of burst here, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she just decides she's not doing that, and as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>you have this issue on Fountain Square, you have these

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<v Speaker 1>other issues. Now that might be a legitimate thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe that's something we don't know. Again just playing

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<v Speaker 1>devil's advocate, But even if you look at what her

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<v Speaker 1>attorney said, is the FOP I think is backing her.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would think that if her subordinates were telling

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<v Speaker 1>her to do things and she was just flat out

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring them, I'm not sure that they would have that

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<v Speaker 1>backing that she has. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>He is attorney Jason Phillibaum the very latest involving Terry

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<v Speaker 2>Terry Thigi. Now we're hiring a law from a local

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<v Speaker 2>law from Frost Brown Todd pretty confirm that they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do some deep diving and try and find out

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons why they fired her before. As you said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is shoot first, asked questions later. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the Inquirer came out with this this morning. The

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<v Speaker 2>scope of the investigation. This is what the lawyers, the

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<v Speaker 2>team for the city outside council is going to investigate.

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<v Speaker 2>And now there are four prongs to this thing. Is

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<v Speaker 2>she an effective leader and manager of the department, including

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<v Speaker 2>personnel and resources? Is she a leader within the context

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<v Speaker 2>of city government, meaning does she further the broader goals

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<v Speaker 2>and objectives of the administration. Has she committed any infraction

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<v Speaker 2>or policitive evolution while serving as a police chief. And

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<v Speaker 2>did she disregard best practices in the running a CPD

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<v Speaker 2>to the detriment of detriment of public safety and crime prevention. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's start with the first one. Is she an effective

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<v Speaker 2>leader and manager of the department, including personnel and resources.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like an open ended question, like if there

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<v Speaker 2>were problems with her management personnel that the previous chief

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<v Speaker 2>notoriously had issues with that when this was before Craig

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<v Speaker 2>larstly I had problems with that too and it was

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<v Speaker 2>public so but believing or heard of that at chiuth Thiji,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the rank and file really split on it,

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<v Speaker 2>really didn't care for her all that much. But once

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<v Speaker 2>they did what they did to her, they realized they

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<v Speaker 2>could come next. And now everyone even her detractors are supporters,

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<v Speaker 2>so they rallied them. So to look at this and say,

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<v Speaker 2>is she an effective leader or manager? You can say

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<v Speaker 2>that of any boss, can't you?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Exactly? And I call that fuzzy math. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the law school exam where it depends on who's

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<v Speaker 1>paying me. That's the answer I give you. Know you're

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<v Speaker 1>paying me on this one side, I tell you why

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<v Speaker 1>she's an effective leader. If you're paying me on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side, I'll give you all the reasons why she's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's again, I don't think that's what this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to fall down on, because again, like you

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<v Speaker 1>said that, it's so vague, it's so fuzzy that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they want to decide that she's not a good leader,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna they're gonna find reasons to justify that, just

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<v Speaker 1>like if you want to find that she's a good leader,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd find the So you know the first two that

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, those prongs, that those both both are very

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<v Speaker 1>fuzzy math, fuzzy sort of law school exams where anyone

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<v Speaker 1>can answer anything. I think the crux is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be number three, which is is there an infraction? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>is there something that she did that she not follow

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<v Speaker 1>a policy. I don't think there's any allegation of criminal wrongdoing,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's going to be something something you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>minor that and that's where she's going to then get

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<v Speaker 1>into court and say, look, other people have done, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>other people forgot to call in on day that they

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<v Speaker 1>were taking off and they were allowed to stay. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting fired things like that. And then of course

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<v Speaker 1>number four, I mean, that's that's I think the one

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<v Speaker 1>that's a little bit more serious. You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>problem in Cincinnati with crime. Whose fault is it? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it the mayor's is it the judges? Is it the

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<v Speaker 1>police chief? You know? Is it society? I mean, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the problem? And I think it'd be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 1>if there's something that she should be doing or something

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, best practices that she didn't do. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be the one that would you know, sell me

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<v Speaker 1>yes or no, as opposed to the other three prongs

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, they can find out of anybody. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Philibel, Attorney at law, relative to the four pillars

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<v Speaker 2>of this investigation by outside Council for the City of

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati to towards Terry Thiji. You mentioned number three as

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<v Speaker 2>she's committed any infraction policy violation while serving as police chief.

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<v Speaker 2>If she had, and it rose to the level of

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<v Speaker 2>an impeachable offense, wouldn't we have heard that? I mean, typically,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when someone commits a crime. Let's look at

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<v Speaker 2>what happened with the NBA recently. What happened was Cashpttel

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI held at press confet. They had the evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>they made the charge that Okay, here's we're coming at

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<v Speaker 2>these individuals. We're going after Chauncey Bellops are going after

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<v Speaker 2>other individuals because this is the evidence we have in

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<v Speaker 2>this case. They're going, well, it'd be like them going, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're suspending Chauncey Bellops and now we're going to do

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<v Speaker 2>an investigation to find out what he did wrong. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the problem with this is that if you in any

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<v Speaker 2>other case, with due process, and I think it applies

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<v Speaker 2>here to it, that if you commit an infraction, you

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<v Speaker 2>make those charges allegations, you suspend them all, you investigate

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<v Speaker 2>the scope and the depths, and then eventually you terminate

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<v Speaker 2>that person because now you've gathered the evidence. This is

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<v Speaker 2>completely the opposite of.

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<v Speaker 1>That right and That's why I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people look at this and say that's not fair. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't arrest somebody and say, go find me a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>The crimes committed, then you arrest them, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>either investigate further or prove or disprove that it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>What's not fair is to essentially take someone out of

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<v Speaker 1>a position and look for something that they did wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I would think, you know, if they

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<v Speaker 1>did something wrong, you wouldn't have the city manager talking

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<v Speaker 1>about what a great thirty five years and what a

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<v Speaker 1>great person this is and we wish you the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think that was the statement when they

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<v Speaker 1>put her on leave, is you know, what a great

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<v Speaker 1>sellar career. If there's truly an infraction worthy of dismissal,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the state that you put out there. So

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<v Speaker 1>that tells me they probably don't know if there's one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're now looking for one so they can hang

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<v Speaker 1>their hat on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, our tires at nineteen ninety eight, we're touching

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<v Speaker 2>a handicapped spot. Accidentally, she didn't close the cover before striking.

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<v Speaker 2>When she was trying to light a candle. Some matches

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<v Speaker 2>and she tore the mattress tag off of her ceiling.

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<v Speaker 2>Those don't rise to levels the reason you get fired

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<v Speaker 2>because everyone does that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly exactly, and that's what they're that's what they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for now again so they can find it for cause.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think again the legitimate, legitimate investigation would be

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<v Speaker 1>number four. But again that's not something that I would

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<v Speaker 1>do post termination or in this case just suspension. Is

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<v Speaker 1>what is this she doing wrong? Why is the city?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and maybe maybe that's a good investigation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>find tell me why Cincinnati crime is going up? And

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<v Speaker 1>see if we but to sit there and take the

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<v Speaker 1>police chief out and then do that investigation. That seems

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<v Speaker 1>again putting a little bit of the cart before the horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it seems like, you know, they're turning under a stone,

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<v Speaker 2>the stone over. But when they kick the stone, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things are going to run. I wonder how

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<v Speaker 2>much of those those bugs come back to bite after

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<v Speaker 2>a pureval Because two and four of this four pillar

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<v Speaker 2>investigation by Brown Frost Todd is she too? Is is

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<v Speaker 2>she a leader within the context of city government, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>furthering the broader goals and objects of the city administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Number four is did she regard best practices in the

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<v Speaker 2>running of CPD. I don't know if that's just best

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<v Speaker 2>practices by police standards. No pot of standards or best

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<v Speaker 2>practices is set forth by number two the administration. Because

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<v Speaker 2>that's the sticky part is when she interviewed for this

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<v Speaker 2>job three years ago, Jason Philbamma was looking at some

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<v Speaker 2>of the interviews she did. She said her biggest priority

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<v Speaker 2>was to continued diversity, equity and inclusion within the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>Police Department, how to lift people up. And she also

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<v Speaker 2>had to get the blessing and interview essentially with Iris Rawley,

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<v Speaker 2>who we've seen in recent time investigated and get herself

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<v Speaker 2>involved between a suspect a subject who was being arrested

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<v Speaker 2>for violating probation and was essentially interfering with the business

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<v Speaker 2>of a police officer. She had an interview with her

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<v Speaker 2>to get this job in the first place. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I hear that and then see what's happened with owner

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<v Speaker 2>cognisance people cutting their ankle monitor off and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>repercussion from the court for that essentially doing what they

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<v Speaker 2>say they weren't going to do. Literally within minutes of leaving,

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<v Speaker 2>the people who have been jammed up and all this

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<v Speaker 2>high profile violence, save maybe the brawl, there's other factors

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<v Speaker 2>in there. And now that was handled as a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't on the chief, but everything else was, Like

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<v Speaker 2>people who had violent prior criminal offenses that were precluded

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<v Speaker 2>from having a gun because they're under disability by law.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not her to set those policies. That's on the mayor.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're doing this investigation. I wonder how much of

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to come back and implicate have to

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<v Speaker 2>a peer volunteer.

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<v Speaker 1>Long Yeah, I agree, And if you look at I

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<v Speaker 1>think the mayor put out a statement. He put out

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<v Speaker 1>a statement that he had nothing to do with his firing. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I find that to be maybe a little disingenuous, because

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<v Speaker 1>why in the world with a city manager three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>before an election terminate your female police chief without talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the mayor. That would be a very dumb move.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would think that there was a discussion ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of time. But like you said, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>factors to consider. You know, is she pushing DEI and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why there's not enough police on the street. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's a legitimate decision to you know, talk about whether

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<v Speaker 1>that's the appropriate way to handle policing, you know, But

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<v Speaker 1>recently the city also engaged in a federal settlement where

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<v Speaker 1>they are changing the way they're policing. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that could be a very real reason for why things

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<v Speaker 1>are going up, you know, having bonds, Like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>someone that commits a violent crime and has let out

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<v Speaker 1>the next day that that's the that's not on the

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<v Speaker 1>police an issue. That's not on her exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see when she's falsifying reports and people aren't

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<v Speaker 2>showing up, and she's backdating payroll. I mean, those are

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<v Speaker 2>the things you're definitely going to get you and should

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<v Speaker 2>get you fired. But essentially the vision by this administration

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<v Speaker 2>is criminals are victims too, has led us to this point.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not on Terry Thiji. That's on the people who

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<v Speaker 2>hire Terry Thiji.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. As I said at the beginning of this talk,

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<v Speaker 1>sounds to me like a skategoat. It sounds to me like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're two weeks out from an election and

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to tell the people that there's a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and I fixed the problem. And now by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that's hired these really good attorneys to go in there

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<v Speaker 1>and find out what the problem was, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>can match it up and say, hey did a good job,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course won't come out until after the election anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to take two three months to do a

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<v Speaker 1>thorough investigation whether it's legitimate or whether it's brought up

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<v Speaker 1>after the facts, So I don't think we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>know anything. We'll probably January.

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<v Speaker 2>After the election. Of course, that's what this is about,

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<v Speaker 2>buying some time for the election, but it really doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>because it makes them looking competent and stupid, and not

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<v Speaker 2>the first time either. I would also add this finally,

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Philibaum, attorney at law, if you're representing, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>on Team Fiji, are your eyes now glazing over with

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<v Speaker 2>the millions and millions of dollars should possibly be getting

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<v Speaker 2>in because quite honestly, the way this whole thing was executed,

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<v Speaker 2>it's seemingly, in addition to the two hundred K she's making,

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<v Speaker 2>could wind up getting a help of payout to sign

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<v Speaker 2>a non disclosure agreement because if she doesn't sign an NDA,

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<v Speaker 2>theyn't force an NDAU, then then she can roll over

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<v Speaker 2>on this administration and really let the go south. And

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, her attorney's firm is well known for suing

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<v Speaker 1>cities and municipalities and going after them and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of expensive lawsuits and if they if

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<v Speaker 1>they end up getting, you know, something that they can

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<v Speaker 1>hang their hat on, then you've got attorney fees in play,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a pretty penny that the Cincinnati have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay out. So yeah, there's there's My guess is there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a settlement some way through the process,

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise it's going to be expensive for somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>If the Finny law firm or like the Bengals defense,

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't be having conversations about not making the playoffs

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<v Speaker 2>and firing coaches, if you know what me, because they

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<v Speaker 2>are tenacious. If anything, he is attorney Jason Phillibaum private

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<v Speaker 2>practice of course, attorney himself, just kind of a different view,

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<v Speaker 2>a different set of eyes on this issue right now

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<v Speaker 2>because it doesn't pass my sniff test, and it certainly

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't pass Jason's either. Jason all the best, buddy, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for jumping on this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you over at Jonas and Philibam. Thanks again, quick

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<v Speaker 2>time out. We'll get a news update and the controversy

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<v Speaker 2>that they wish we're kind of I hate when, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got enough controversy in the world. What is controversial

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<v Speaker 2>about what's happening at the White House relative to the

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<v Speaker 2>East Wing? Because it feels like people are pushing this

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<v Speaker 2>narrative like we should be all worked up into a

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<v Speaker 2>froth about this, and I just maybe it's just me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see it, and I'll tell you why next

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred WLW