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Speaker 1: Head out to the hotline right now and bring on

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Speaker 1: doctor Dave Schneider as we typically do here on Mondays,

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Speaker 1: and he has, of course brought to you by Ortho

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Speaker 1: Colorado Hospital, part of Common Spirit Health. Go to Ortho

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Speaker 1: Colorado Doc org Dr Snyder, good to check in with you.

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Speaker 2: How are you. I'm doing phenomenal again. Happy victory Monday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, same same to you, Doc. I wanted to ask

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Speaker 3: you to start with I mean, you have two great

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Speaker 3: players go down yesterday, Micah Parsons here in Denver and

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Speaker 3: of course Patrick Mahomes an ACL injury in Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: Are we seeing more ACL injuries nowadays? Or are we

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Speaker 3: just more aware of the injury?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a mixed bag. You know, if you

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Speaker 2: if you go back and you like pick your brain

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Speaker 2: and think about Okay, what about all the quarterbacks. It

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Speaker 2: seems to be kind of a long list. Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: Pennix Junior just had his reinjured again. Poor guy. The

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones Kyler Murray talked. You know, list goes on,

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Speaker 2: but someone actually did good analysis at the University of

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Speaker 2: Missouri and looked at the rate of ACL injury per

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Speaker 2: minute played different positions in the league, and it still

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Speaker 2: is wide receivers and tight ends have the highest rate.

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Speaker 2: But it just what a weird Sunday to have Mahomes

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Speaker 2: and Micah Parsons both go down totally different mechanisms. As

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Speaker 2: you know. When Micah did it, he tried, he got

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Speaker 2: faked out a little bit, and he planted his left

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Speaker 2: leg and that was the classic thing where the MCL

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Speaker 2: that inside ligament and the ACL tour. Whereas with Mahomes

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Speaker 2: he was trying to protect himself with that one more

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Speaker 2: stride and his knee bent in as opposed to out,

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Speaker 2: so I'm sorry out as opposed to end. So in

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Speaker 2: Mahomes case, he tore the LCL and his ACL that

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Speaker 2: outside ligament, and the pain with both of course is terrible.

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Speaker 2: Not so much because you chair the ACL in the

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Speaker 2: center of your knee, the collateral ligaments where and why

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Speaker 2: it's so immediately painful, and you see the player on

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Speaker 2: the field grabbing for their need. Totally different mechanism, but

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Speaker 2: obviously surgery and end of season for both the guys.

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Speaker 4: Hey dog, Well, we've started to see over the past

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Speaker 4: couple of years are a lot of non contact injuries,

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Speaker 4: the injury that you're describing right now with Michael Parson

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Speaker 4: non contact another guy Rams wide receiver DeVante add non

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Speaker 4: contact hamstring injury. How does these two injuries defer.

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Speaker 2: So in Micah's case, you know, it's back to the

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Speaker 2: old debate, and we've talked about this for years on

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Speaker 2: this show. How much is it bigger, faster, stronger, more

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Speaker 2: explosive guys on turf that's a little stickier. You plant

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Speaker 2: your foot and the sod's not going to give way

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Speaker 2: underneath you. Especially playing at the old Memorial Stadium a

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Speaker 2: few decades ago, we're slipping around in mud. So those guys,

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Speaker 2: is that non contact happens because you've got such great

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Speaker 2: contacting grip underneath your foot. You know, when it comes

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Speaker 2: to handstring injury, it's a little bit the same that

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Speaker 2: that force your foot is so heavily planted and geared

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Speaker 2: that all that force goes up to your knee, up

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Speaker 2: through your thigh. That's why we have a slightly higher

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Speaker 2: injury rate on this new artificial turf.

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Speaker 1: What's the timeline look like for those players? Is that

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Speaker 1: something that maybe they could be back for the start

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Speaker 1: of next year or is it going to be into

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Speaker 1: the season. You think for both of them.

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Speaker 2: I think into the season, we also Adrian Peterson kind

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Speaker 2: of recalibrated all of our expectations because that man was

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Speaker 2: back in nine months playing, legitimately playing, whereas most guys

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Speaker 2: are slowly getting back and you know that first year

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Speaker 2: kind of look okay and then in the second year

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Speaker 2: get better. But I just can't imagine the Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to play any preseason games next year,

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Speaker 2: and I suspect him miss probably at least the first

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Speaker 2: month of next year's season.

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Speaker 3: Final question for me. The Broncos place Brandon Jones on

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Speaker 3: the IR. They're calling it a pectoral issue. We saw

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Speaker 3: patser Tan miss three games plus I believe plus a

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Speaker 3: bye week and come back and play. No way for

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Speaker 3: you to definitively know, But you're you're a shoulder guy.

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Speaker 3: What what theoretically could he be dealing with? And do

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Speaker 3: you think there's a realistic shot to get him back

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Speaker 3: at some point in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I'm not seeing it. You know, it really comes down

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Speaker 2: to partial versus complete peck tear. Your pack is a

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Speaker 2: combination of muscle fibers that come off of your chest

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Speaker 2: play the so called sternal fibers, and then also some

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Speaker 2: of your peck comes off your collarbone. And in passer

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Speaker 2: Tan's case, you can almost take it to the bank

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Speaker 2: that he tore just some of those sternal fibers away,

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Speaker 2: but he had much of his peck still in. In

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Speaker 2: Brandon's case, the fact that everyone in the locker room

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Speaker 2: right after the game was saying, boy, doesn't look good.

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Speaker 2: He's the kind of guy that would take his shirt

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Speaker 2: off and you can immediately see with your own eyeballs

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Speaker 2: all of the peck just retracting and just a huge dippit.

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Speaker 2: And when that happens, you have to have surgery. Likely

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Speaker 2: we'll hear that Brendan Jones is having surgery here in

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Speaker 2: a few days. I would suspect we're going to hear

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Speaker 2: that he's done for the season, but he'll be great

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Speaker 2: for next year.

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Speaker 1: All right, Doc, always appreciated, Thanks for the insight. We'll

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Speaker 1: check out with you next week.

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Speaker 2: You having congratulations coach Logan yet again another state championship.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Doc, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, Doctor Schneider. Always good. Brought to

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