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Speaker 1: Shelby Harris joining us here on the show. Shelby, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: So I'm doing great, man, Like, I really really thought

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Speaker 1: you guys might pull that game out.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Mark Andrews play was so dumb, and I mean.

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Speaker 1: Just I wanted to get your thoughts on it, because

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Speaker 1: you know everybody's celebrating it. I'm like, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what I just saw there, but I thought you

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Speaker 1: guys played a hell of a game. I thought you

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Speaker 1: guys had that one in a lot of ways. And

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Speaker 1: the League can be so cruel sometimes, man.

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Speaker 2: You know, on Deep Into that was a tough one.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was an opportunity. I felt like we

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Speaker 2: felt like slipped out of our hands. And what a

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Speaker 2: credit to them though. They made the plays and you

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Speaker 2: know that Mark Andrew's playing, you know, that was a

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Speaker 2: hell of a design. Yeah, I was definitely something you

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Speaker 2: gotta think we're defending the middle to going that's a

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Speaker 2: classic Chby sneak look and they go and they do

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Speaker 2: sneak out of it with the tight end. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's nice. That was a very good play design. So

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Speaker 2: all the credit to them. You know, it's just you

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Speaker 2: know that and that's you know, that's football though, So

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Speaker 2: it's on in the next week. We have the Raiders

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Speaker 2: coming up. But you know, that's that's that's a loss

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Speaker 2: that you know you can take something from though, because

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Speaker 2: obviously on the defensive side of the ball, you know,

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Speaker 2: we we played it a good game. Obviously we have

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Speaker 2: facts and all that, but there's always something you can

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Speaker 2: improve on. It's always something to get better on, and

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Speaker 2: we just have to be more resilient throughout the game.

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Speaker 2: And that's our standard on defense, and that's how we

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Speaker 2: always want to That's how we always want to, you know,

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Speaker 2: hold ourselves in great arts and keep ourselves at that standard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, And I I love that about you.

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Speaker 1: I love that about players. It's like, hey, there's no

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Speaker 1: excuse for it. We just you got to kind of

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Speaker 1: move on. And and that's a little bit of the

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Speaker 1: nature of the league certainly, is say the players are

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. They're they're getting paid to And I know

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Speaker 3: Sometimes is hey, the defense gets paid to stop you.

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Speaker 1: You get paid to try to move the ball against

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Speaker 1: them and moments like that are going to happen. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned the Raiders, Uh, what are your former teams coming

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Speaker 1: up here? I know, both of you guys, the seasons

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Speaker 1: are probably not gone the way that you were hoping for.

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Speaker 1: For a moment, and then I have some other questions

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Speaker 1: about the AFC in general to get to. But for

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Speaker 1: a moment in this game, when you're taking on a

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Speaker 1: team that has also kind of had some tough times,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are those games kind of like like

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Speaker 1: in the trenches in the midst of those games? Is

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Speaker 1: everybody still fighting very hard at this point in the season.

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Speaker 3: What was the mindset?

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Speaker 2: So the way I look at this is, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I want everybody to kind of understand this is you

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Speaker 2: are fighting for your job every week in this league.

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Speaker 2: You are fighting for a spot here next year. You

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Speaker 2: are fighting if you want to play any longer. Because

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Speaker 2: interesting and a lot of people don't you know, but

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Speaker 2: your only teams are struggling right now. Teams on the

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Speaker 2: league are running picking tunes who they want. But a

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Speaker 2: lot of people assume that you're part of the problem.

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Speaker 2: So these BA games, you know that we got seven

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Speaker 2: Safty North hasn't broken away yet, so the obviously is

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Speaker 2: still a lot you know for us. You know, people

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Speaker 2: it's still all to fight for us, and how you

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Speaker 2: perform down the stretch will be used either to your

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Speaker 2: and and and that's what a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: to realize, and people especially outside of the game. And

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Speaker 2: there is no such thing as tanking with players. There's

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Speaker 2: no such thing as giving up because that could be

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Speaker 2: your last play, that could be the last game you

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Speaker 2: ever play in this league. So no matter what you

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Speaker 2: going there, you're given a hundred percent effort with the preparation,

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Speaker 2: you give a hundreds of effort with you know, with

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Speaker 2: the execution. And it's just just because the records aren't

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Speaker 2: effort never changes and that preparation never changes. And that's

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Speaker 1: I love that got to be a pro. I absolutely

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Speaker 1: love that Shelby Harris joining us here. Brogo's got a

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Speaker 1: really big win over the Kansas City Chiefs, and you

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Speaker 1: did a lot of battles against the Chiefs again here

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Speaker 1: in Denver. But during the Mahomes era, it's it's one

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Speaker 1: of those deals where I'm not saying that the Chief's

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Speaker 3: But what do you make of the chief struggles in

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Speaker 2: Well, I've always you know, the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: you know that Mahomes magic has kind of bailed them

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Speaker 2: of this is now is where the point where there's

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Speaker 2: they're struggling Mahomes and Mayken untanning mistakes. It's but like

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying you don't ever count them out, because

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Speaker 2: they do. They have a quarterback, and they have passed us,

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Speaker 2: and so eventually they're going to be They're going to

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Speaker 2: figure it out. They struggled them lot this year because

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Speaker 2: but a big reason that they're struggling. Also is p

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Speaker 2: Checko's hurt, Like you know that that was a big

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Speaker 2: general zone we've always kept talking about they really haven't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about it earlier today, and I know

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Speaker 1: we've kind of touched on it a little bit before,

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Speaker 1: but it does seem like some of the main stays,

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Speaker 3: What do you mean make of that?

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Speaker 2: As you know, everyone's always due for a down year,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't assume that it's going to be a complete

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Speaker 2: So Dariel Jones's resurgence is it for real? You know

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Speaker 2: It's just for me, this is one of the best

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Speaker 2: who say, think about the Patriots and the coach, nobody

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Speaker 2: And so it's just following the Broncos of the last

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Speaker 2: And so now you're seeing these teams actually come out

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Speaker 1: I'm a one hundred percent with you, and I think

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Speaker 1: as a fan of a football and a fan of

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Speaker 1: the NFL, it is a very good thing. I do

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Speaker 1: wonder though sometimes like we we laud parody and we

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Speaker 1: say it's a good thing for the league. It's good

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Speaker 1: that you can basically sell to your fan bases every

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: People had some thoughts about the.

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Speaker 3: But here we are.

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Speaker 1: So when I ask you the question if parody is

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Speaker 1: but you know, the Eagles are obviously a darling now

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Speaker 3: Do you think, well, what.

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Speaker 2: Are we trying to do as they league expand all

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Speaker 2: three and eight. Yeah, and they had it. You know,

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Speaker 2: they go to this international game. You want to see

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Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels. Hey, you get Marcus Mariota, Like this is

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Speaker 2: the league is building on the hype behind all these players,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes it doesn't work out. And that's that's just

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Speaker 2: kind of what you're seeing right now, especially on Houston.

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Speaker 2: You know, you've seen the general, you see the you

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Speaker 2: other teams were let at Seattle Levinio, the team where

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Speaker 2: it wasn't much hype behind them. These are the teams

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Speaker 1: So the Broncos have, I mean, well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: but he has more fourth quarter comebacks than any quarterback

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Speaker 1: kind of been their signature this year. They're seven to

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Speaker 1: two and one score games. They've had a multitude of

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter comebacks. Not not that you've paid like super

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Speaker 2: The defense? And I always say this too, obviously the

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, because a fourth quarter comeback only happens

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Speaker 2: offense in these situations, but a fourth quarter comeback cannot

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Speaker 2: is probably the most important part of a fourth quarter

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Speaker 2: comeback because you've got to you gotta keep style of them,

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Speaker 2: you've got to put the team in good field position,

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Speaker 2: and and you you've got to put the best forward

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Speaker 2: by saving clocks three and outs. You know that that

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Speaker 2: a big deal when it comes to these four quarter comebacks.

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Speaker 2: But the biggest thing that with Bonus and the Broncos

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Speaker 2: And that's you know, that's what you want to see

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Speaker 2: they're like that. I would hate this whole narrative about

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Speaker 2: the Broncos offense because they figure it out enough every week.

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Speaker 3: Well, it ultimately that matters. That matters the most, right,

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Speaker 2: Matters, That's all that matters. I don't care about the stats.

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Speaker 2: I don't care a bonus is putting up four hundred

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Speaker 2: Detroit put up four hundred yards game and lose. But like,

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Speaker 2: what they're doing is, yeah, it's not the numbers are

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Speaker 2: once it does click, yes it's gonna look way better.

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Speaker 2: But all they're doing, they're playing all and it's like,

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Speaker 2: and I'll look at it right now with like with baseball,

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Speaker 2: that's what the Brockles will do, right, And then they

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Speaker 2: don't care about the stats. They don't care about any

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Speaker 2: of that other stuff. They're going out there, did some

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Speaker 3: Hey, man, is that a fire alarm behind you? You got

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Speaker 3: to get out of there.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my wife's cooking.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, what's for Ritter tonight?

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Speaker 2: Well okay, so it's supposed to be something like a

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Speaker 2: Cuban chicken dish with you know that Cuban rice.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well, well you know, tell her. Let's

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Speaker 3: let's uh, you know, center.

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Speaker 1: The smoke a little bit, you know, I mean, that's uh.

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Speaker 1: I always I was worried about you there for a second.

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Speaker 2: I almost had to look at.

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Speaker 1: Wor Well, listen, if it's in the house, you gotta

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Speaker 1: get the wife of kids out right. I mean, don't

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I can't leave the kids behind, but you

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Speaker 2: can't throw them out the windows there behind you. All right?

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Speaker 3: Man, Well, hey, listen, you're the best.

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Speaker 1: I always love catching up with you, and I think

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Speaker 1: what you said is perfect. I mean, you know you

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Speaker 1: got Jacoby Brissette, by the way, this last week saying

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Speaker 3: That's nice. They lost forty one to twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee Jacoby Brissette would be more than fine with

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Speaker 1: half of those stats in a win, none of those tas.

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Speaker 2: I always tell people that the quarterback throws the ball.

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Speaker 2: Usually the quarterback does the ball in one twenty five

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Speaker 2: and the best, the best number before a quarterback to

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Speaker 2: you have forty five places more like you're losing a

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Speaker 2: the run game, and it's it's never going to be successful.

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Speaker 2: But you know that's great for the you know that's

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Speaker 2: great for the you know, the trophy room. That's a

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Speaker 2: great accomplish what you able to say. I'm sure he'd

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Speaker 2: much rather have the win one.

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Speaker 1: Hundred percent, all right, brother, Well, I appreciate you. Good

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Speaker 1: luck this weekend against the Raiders. Get a win over

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Speaker 1: another AFC West team.

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Speaker 3: We always love that. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, guys.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you too. Shelby Harris