Speaker 1: Scott's flung here seven hundred. But you know most people,
Speaker 1: you wonder about the insides of seven hundred double to
Speaker 1: people work here. I'm learning something new about my predecessor here,
Speaker 1: the morning man, Tom Brennanman, Tom and h Tom Brenneman.
Speaker 1: He really likes to stay hydrated. He has two giant
Speaker 1: Yetti mugs in here. Each one of these mugs, by
Speaker 1: the way, forty eight ounces. He has two of them
Speaker 1: ninety six ounces of fluid, and they're both empty. In
Speaker 1: a what he's in He's in here for four hours,
Speaker 1: five hours. That's a lot of liquid. Tom has a
Speaker 1: stupendous bladder. I'm going with that. Hopefully it's not all coffee,
Speaker 1: because that's a lot of coffee. Man, Almost one hundred
Speaker 1: ounces of Coffee's a lot of coffee. And in that
Speaker 1: short of sitting. Nonetheless, I ain't judging. I ain't judging.
Speaker 1: We got some news here in the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and the battle of our security cameras. As you know,
Speaker 1: they allotted in the fall one hundred fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for security cameras are supposed to go up, and of
Speaker 1: course did we have security cameras know around the park
Speaker 1: where the eleven year old girl was killed on New
Speaker 1: Year's Day, a Laurel playground, and of course two years prior,
Speaker 1: same thing where told cameras will go up and they
Speaker 1: did not. And city Council is doing a deep dive
Speaker 1: on this. And joining the show this morning would be
Speaker 1: council member Mark Jeffries. Welcome, Mark, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Thanks Scott.
Speaker 1: Do you think one hundred ounces of liquid in a
Speaker 1: five hour period is excessive?
Speaker 2: I have that. Let me tell you. I wake up
Speaker 2: at before the morning, I have a bunch of coffee.
Speaker 2: My dad is Dutch. I think they're the most. They
Speaker 2: drink the most coffee of any people. So I'm a
Speaker 2: four to five cups coffee person today, so I have
Speaker 2: no problem with that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but one hundred ounce that's not four or
Speaker 1: five cups, it's forty or fifty cups a lot.
Speaker 2: That's a lot.
Speaker 1: Damn. Let's say he's like his own. This bladder's like
Speaker 1: its own separate dunkin Donuts. For crying out loud, let's
Speaker 1: get into the security camera issue. You guys have met
Speaker 1: about this. I know folks in the West End communitators
Speaker 1: are a little skeptical about whether increased surveillance selects of
Speaker 1: reduced crime in the neighborhood. But at least you know,
Speaker 1: I have eyes in the skies, you can apprehend people,
Speaker 1: maybe making people think twice about this. As you investigated
Speaker 1: and exhausted this, I think a lot of people are frustrated, going, well,
Speaker 1: we gave you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You
Speaker 1: had millions and millions that we're going to spend on
Speaker 1: public safety, and we're supposed to have cameras in and
Speaker 1: nothing happened. How can you put in a context what
Speaker 1: occurred here, not just on New Year's Day, but two
Speaker 1: years previously when another young person was murdered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple things on this, Scott. So First, the
Speaker 2: folks in the West End actually want cameras, and there's
Speaker 2: Pastor Lesley Jones and African American leader. She has been
Speaker 2: leading an effort to put cameras in more areas. So
Speaker 2: people there, I don't care where you live in the
Speaker 2: safety you want in the city. You want safety, period.
Speaker 2: So we did allocate the money. What we have a
Speaker 2: commitment now from Chief Henny about two weeks ago was
Speaker 2: at least six of the twelve camera's been put up
Speaker 2: already in the West End. He put a temporary one
Speaker 2: up immediately right after the shooting.
Speaker 3: So he has those.
Speaker 2: He has a commitment to fix ninety nine total or
Speaker 2: implement ninety nine total within a month. And so I
Speaker 2: think we're about two weeks out from that and he's
Speaker 2: putting the pedal to the metal. Really appreciate his leadership
Speaker 2: to make it possible. This is like you said, it's
Speaker 2: eyes on the ground. It doesn't prevent it may not
Speaker 2: prevent the crime. It may somebody's like, oh crap, I
Speaker 2: might get caught. They may me twice. Yeah, so they
Speaker 2: don't know where it's at. And not just the West End.
Speaker 2: We need these in Price Hill. We've had incidents in
Speaker 2: Price Hill. We need them around the city. Eyes on
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, is I put in the context here?
Speaker 1: To me, it's not about I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to stop someone who's hell bet on mayhem, because yeah,
Speaker 1: let's face it, these murderers, these thugs are out there.
Speaker 1: They ain't thinking twice about anybody else but themselves. And
Speaker 1: to think that they'll go, well there's a camera there,
Speaker 1: they may second get shooting someone Sames. This is probably
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. But what it does is it gives
Speaker 1: us a better opportunity to get those people off the
Speaker 1: streets and behind bars.
Speaker 3: Now one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I mean I think people who might be stealing something
Speaker 2: might think twice yeah, yeah, yeah, that kind of cybody
Speaker 2: who's shooting somebody.
Speaker 3: It really doesn't give gives.
Speaker 1: Not at all. I mean, we got people driving like not.
Speaker 1: We had Bengals players driving like knuckleheads, two hundred miles
Speaker 1: an hour up and down the street. There's cameras all
Speaker 1: over there. They don't care about it. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if that'll do it. But again, justice for these
Speaker 1: two babies, because you know, good luck finding the person
Speaker 1: who actually fired the shots there without the help of
Speaker 1: cameras as well. So all right, does that give constituents
Speaker 1: and Mark Jefferies a little bit more peace of mind
Speaker 1: because you're going, well, wait a minute. You know two
Speaker 1: years ago he said put cameras, and we got money
Speaker 1: for that. We just you know, you have like five
Speaker 1: million dollars for more more security and Cincinnati bigger police budget.
Speaker 1: We just had another one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for cameras. And people to go, well, where's the damn cameras?
Speaker 1: How can you assuage people's fears but also give them
Speaker 1: confidence that we're actually going to move ahead and do
Speaker 1: what council said they're going to do.
Speaker 2: I think we kudos to Interim Chief Henny who said
Speaker 2: I will get this done in four weeks. And I
Speaker 2: think when the four weeks are up, we say, okay,
Speaker 2: have we done it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And it's little steps like that where we build trusts
Speaker 2: that you have to do what you say you're going
Speaker 2: to do. And so about two weeks from now, we're
Speaker 2: going to be at that clock and we need to
Speaker 2: look at it and say, Okay, we implemented what we
Speaker 2: agreed that we would.
Speaker 1: I'll circle back because you know, I was speaking the
Speaker 1: money and Greg Lansman just got what over a million
Speaker 1: dollars to expand the surveillance system. So there's even more
Speaker 1: cash flowing in now.
Speaker 3: Yep, no much needed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's a good thing. I know, more
Speaker 1: cameras up is going to help law enforce and do
Speaker 1: their jobs. It's not going to stop a knucklehead or
Speaker 1: some a sociopath, hell bet on murdering someone. And you know,
Speaker 1: spring bullets are not carrying that. One finds an eleven
Speaker 1: year old girl who's doing nothing but enjoying the first
Speaker 1: day of the new year in a park, regardless of
Speaker 1: what time of day it is. That's just it's intolerable.
Speaker 1: It's what that is. There's something else going on. I
Speaker 1: think this is interesting because the key to maybe stopping
Speaker 1: some of this crime anyway is getting them young and
Speaker 1: getting interested in other things, something to do a distraction.
Speaker 1: We've known for a while that youth football teams in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati there's been issues obviously playing at CPS fields with
Speaker 1: crime and speaking of violence and the like. But it's
Speaker 1: also extremely cost prohibitive because the team has to foot
Speaker 1: the build out and for the runt of the field,
Speaker 1: but also security. In a lot of youth football teams
Speaker 1: don't have the budget, don't have the means to be
Speaker 1: able to do that stuff, and that is certainly an
Speaker 1: urban problem that you don't have in suburban rural areas.
Speaker 1: That said, though, I like the idea that the city
Speaker 1: is thinking about opening a few fields.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of things. I mean, look, youth football, it's,
Speaker 2: as you know, it's about teaching discipline, teamwork, resilience, it's
Speaker 2: about giving kids structure, purpose, a place to belong and
Speaker 2: the lessons the kid learns in there. It's about accountability, leadership,
Speaker 2: and that outlasts any of the games, right, and so
Speaker 2: we know that those are life lessons and especially kids.
Speaker 2: You want to keep them out of trouble from a
Speaker 2: disadvantaged background or a family. We want to put them
Speaker 2: to a productive activity. We have dedicated baseball fields, in
Speaker 2: part thanks a lot to the Reds. We have dedicated
Speaker 2: soccer fields, thanks for the large part to f C Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: We don't have any dedicated youth football fields, so we
Speaker 2: asked the city to hey, look with since I wreck
Speaker 2: commission at different fields where it might be possible. We
Speaker 2: also have the police academy down in Lower Price. About safety,
Speaker 2: if you have a game literally right outside of a
Speaker 2: police academy, that's.
Speaker 3: As safe as it gets.
Speaker 2: So we need to identify these fields to give kids
Speaker 2: an opportunity. I mean, every kid deserves access to safe,
Speaker 2: positive programs in youth football, you know, no matter where
Speaker 2: they live.
Speaker 1: I know that Spinny Field is under consideration, as is
Speaker 1: the Old Mercy site in Westwood. Do you have any
Speaker 1: other sites picked out that may be open. To this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one the Hamilton County Fairgrounds, and we were
Speaker 2: looking at that. You could probably host two games at
Speaker 2: a time. They're the other piece of it is we
Speaker 2: want a area that's secure. In other words, it's got
Speaker 2: a perimen around it, you know, so folks have to
Speaker 2: go through security and you know, and that also allows Look,
Speaker 2: these are all volunteers. All the people who do this,
Speaker 2: they volunteer their time to coach these kids. They take
Speaker 2: money out of their own pocket, pay for equipment, and
Speaker 2: you know, they try to recoup some of that cost
Speaker 2: through admission facts and parents come and that's more difficult
Speaker 2: if you have an open field. And so those are
Speaker 2: some of the criteria.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense, and you get you know
Speaker 1: a few of them anyway, And we know that there's
Speaker 1: a direct line between reducing crime powered all those things.
Speaker 1: If you can keep kids engaged in school, in doing well,
Speaker 1: or in extracura of sports, they tend to not behave
Speaker 1: as badly because they're involved in those things. We know
Speaker 1: that to be a fact now. And expanding those programs
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Reds, you mentioned FC Cincinnati A the
Speaker 1: Bengals open. Have you approached them yet?
Speaker 2: I have been talking to the Bengals Scott for about
Speaker 2: a year and a half. I have asked them repeatedly
Speaker 2: to invest in If you think about the Red it's
Speaker 2: over a million a year. I see Cincinnati's over a
Speaker 2: million a year. The Bengals did donate thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in equipment. I've been pushing them, like, do split the
Speaker 2: pot for having's sakes? I know in Saint Louis they
Speaker 2: do split the pot that you know, I mean you
Speaker 2: don't have to fund anything, you literally it's all funded,
Speaker 2: half of which by the fans, and that could really
Speaker 2: help a lot of the youth sports. And so I've
Speaker 2: been pushing them. I think, you know, it should be
Speaker 2: something that they invest in. It's investing in their fan base,
Speaker 2: investing in the community, investing in these kids who a
Speaker 2: lot of whom might become future football players. So I've
Speaker 2: been encouraging that and hopefully continue to push to make
Speaker 2: that possible.
Speaker 1: Have they been receptive to hearing that or is it
Speaker 1: lip serve? I mean a year and a half a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 2: I have had several meetings with them, with folks in
Speaker 2: the youth football, and they keep saying that they're looking
Speaker 2: at it. I'm hopeful that you know, I mean to
Speaker 2: the to my point, you even don't have to donate
Speaker 2: money on your own pocket. Put the pot. You know,
Speaker 2: you have all the games. You could probably at least
Speaker 2: get two hundred and fifty thousand plus dollars from that
Speaker 2: and then invested right back in your sports. So I'm
Speaker 2: continuing to push. I think it should be their obligation,
Speaker 2: as you know here in the city, to invest in
Speaker 2: youth football.
Speaker 1: Mark Jeffreys, are you calling out the Bengals right now?
Speaker 2: I am asking for their help to be the partner
Speaker 2: that they need to be in the community.
Speaker 1: Like i'd say, you're calling them out, And you know what,
Speaker 1: I say, good for you.
Speaker 2: Pushing on this for a year and a half, and
Speaker 2: I believe in pushing the private but at some point,
Speaker 2: like come on, guys, well.
Speaker 3: Everybody else does.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, they never bow to public pressure.
Speaker 1: They do with they want to do, and that's that's
Speaker 1: the team. You can't tell them what they want to
Speaker 1: do with their own money. But but hold on just
Speaker 1: a second. We know that Charlie Frank and the Red's
Speaker 1: Community Fund, I think it's the platinum standard in Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball I've talked to Charlie and he's going. He
Speaker 1: goes to other cities. I ran him in the airport,
Speaker 1: I think last year, and he was off to Boston
Speaker 1: to consult them on how to expand their community involvement.
Speaker 1: And so the Red's Community Fund that the mission there
Speaker 1: is to raise all this money to build youth urban
Speaker 1: the Urban Acabinet, all these youth fields and everything else,
Speaker 1: and they're involved FC and Jeff Birding saw this and said,
Speaker 1: you know what, that's a great thing to reinvest in
Speaker 1: our community because they get a lot of heat because
Speaker 1: they're expanding in the West End. You know, there's the
Speaker 1: Brian Gary's the world that they're screaming about, you know,
Speaker 1: gentrification and running poor people out of neighborhoods. All want
Speaker 1: and good, but you know, there's no tax base. They're
Speaker 1: bringing the tax money back in is going to pay dividends.
Speaker 1: And then of course when you do things like this
Speaker 1: where you have you know, urban but also suburban soccer leagues.
Speaker 1: You know, you soccer in the area surrounding Cincinnati's massive,
Speaker 1: and FC partnering and opening those fields and getting training
Speaker 1: programs together for young people pays dividends, not just for
Speaker 1: the community and the kids, but also for the team
Speaker 1: itself because you have built in fans and then at
Speaker 1: some point the Reds and FC hopefully have young people
Speaker 1: that wind up playing soccer or baseball and wind up
Speaker 1: playing for the hometown team. That's a great story. So
Speaker 1: those teams are doing it. The Bengals are not. And
Speaker 1: the question would be it can't possibly be because of money.
Speaker 1: It's not a money issue. I wouldn't think, or maybe
Speaker 1: it is, but those two programs I mentioned pay for themselves,
Speaker 1: so they're almost They're self funded, is what they are.
Speaker 1: And it's good for the brand, it's good for the team,
Speaker 1: it's good for the community. Our other two major leagues
Speaker 1: sports are doing it. The Bengals won't one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: You said it better than I could, Scott. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: at minimum, they should be doing something like book the
Speaker 2: pot that doesn't cost them a penny a penny out
Speaker 2: of their pockets. At minimum, I think it should be
Speaker 2: something that can more to what FC Cincinnati and the
Speaker 2: Reds do. And you know, I've been pushing on that
Speaker 2: and you know will continue to push on it because
Speaker 2: I think it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: Mark Jefferies you know. The other thing too, is we
Speaker 1: just built or agreed to a taxpayer expense to redo
Speaker 1: pay Course Stadium. It's going to cost Hamlin County commissioners
Speaker 1: approved what four hundred and seventy million dollars for renovation,
Speaker 1: and that's about seventy four percent. The Bengals, the NFL,
Speaker 1: and the hook for twenty six percent. Hamlin County is
Speaker 1: going to pick up seventy four percent. It's a lot
Speaker 1: better than the deal we had last time around the nineties.
Speaker 1: But when you look at other stadia around the NFL,
Speaker 1: that's not even I mean, there's some stadiums that are
Speaker 1: forty or percent or more funded by the team, not
Speaker 1: the Bengals. So they're taking money from Hamlin County and taxpayers.
Speaker 1: You think maybe a little kickback, if you want to
Speaker 1: call it that, to the kids, to the youth, to
Speaker 1: maybe build a couple of football fields. I don't know,
Speaker 1: what's that going to cost? A million dollars out of
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty million dollars out of the billions
Speaker 1: at the Bengals break in, seems like it's not that
Speaker 1: high a bar for them to jump over. We're talking.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, FC is doing it and MLS money,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, is nothing compared to NFL money, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at minimums. God, they should commit to
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand, which would help operating costs for that's
Speaker 2: like equipment for these kids. We need to make sure
Speaker 2: these kids are the right equipment right. You know, if
Speaker 2: you have a helmet that doesn't fit, you know, can
Speaker 2: get a concussion. And these are little pee wee kids,
Speaker 2: you know, five six, seven years old. We've got to
Speaker 2: make sure that the kids are safe. They have the
Speaker 2: right equipment, we have coaches for them, all those security,
Speaker 2: operating costs and build in the fields. I think they
Speaker 2: should commit to funding at least happening, which is not
Speaker 2: it's a drop in the bucket. Yeah, it's not what
Speaker 2: even what the Reds or FC does, but it's definitely progress.
Speaker 2: And if we can get them to commit to that,
Speaker 2: I think, you know, our kids and they would be
Speaker 2: better offward.
Speaker 1: No, it's good for the community too. You can't force
Speaker 1: someone to spend money on something that I want to
Speaker 1: but the optics because are terrible. Considering we just approved
Speaker 1: another contentious stadium deal and the team is terrible. You
Speaker 1: think you'd want to do something to make me lift
Speaker 1: your image up, unless, of course you don't care, and
Speaker 1: then that would mesh of course with things like not
Speaker 1: taking the snow off the seats during a playoff game
Speaker 1: and everything else that's going on down there. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what drum they'd beat. Beat the beat of
Speaker 1: the drum they listened to is you got me? And
Speaker 1: much smarter people than myself have tried to answer that
Speaker 1: question and failed. So I look at this as going
Speaker 1: the Bengals. I think calling them out is a good thing.
Speaker 1: Have you talked to it all to the county commissioners
Speaker 1: because the deal was struck not by the city but
Speaker 1: the county relative to funding the stadium with taxpayer money.
Speaker 1: Is this something the county and the city can partner
Speaker 1: with to try and get the Bengals to maybe cooperate
Speaker 1: a little bit better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. I know that the county there's still
Speaker 2: a community benefits agreement that they're negotiating with the Bengals.
Speaker 2: So I'm not in not pervy on what those negotiations,
Speaker 2: but I have encouraged to this be a part of that,
Speaker 2: and so hopefully as part of that community benefits agreement, it,
Speaker 2: and it's the county's negotiating with them. I have encouraged
Speaker 2: investment in youth football in particular, could be a part
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: Do you need a contract to do this? I mean,
Speaker 1: may hear go? Okay, the negotiating a deal and the
Speaker 1: community impact all this stuff. Should you just do it
Speaker 1: because it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: Oh, of course, Scott. But you know it's not happening.
Speaker 2: So you know some things that are happening. My you know,
Speaker 2: when I was seventeen years of P and G. Like,
Speaker 2: my belief is you meet what's only a private you
Speaker 2: try to encourage them in doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now you're going to publicly shame them. So
Speaker 1: and sometimes that works.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're not you're not doing it, then
Speaker 2: come on, let's let's let's push on all angles.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, te here's a council member, Mark Jefferies,
Speaker 1: really putting it out there for us, a smarting Mark.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. And also I agree one hundred
Speaker 1: percent with your sentiments here. You can't force someone to
Speaker 1: spend money. But you know the Reds do this, FC
Speaker 1: does this. Why the hell aren't the Bengals stepping up
Speaker 1: and helping out with these youthfusootball fields. And it's good
Speaker 1: for the brand, it's good for the city, it's good
Speaker 1: for everybody, especially when you get, you know, hundreds of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars to redo pay Course Stadium and the
Speaker 1: product sucks. I appreciate it. Thanks again, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Scott all Right, Yeah, all the best man there you go.
Speaker 1: Are you blown away by this? Maybe not surprised, but
Speaker 1: the fact that he's been working for a year and
Speaker 1: a half behind the scenes to maybe get the Bengals
Speaker 1: to help build some football fields, I mean two or
Speaker 1: three football fields. You look at how many baseball fields
Speaker 1: the Reds Community Fund has redone, It's countless, and not
Speaker 1: just in Cincinnati but around the whole region as well
Speaker 1: as Kentucky and Indiana. Plus the other programs you know,
Speaker 1: Knutsall Field, Dreachy. You've got all these programs that they do,
Speaker 1: and that is the platinum standard. I mean, the Reds
Speaker 1: can do it, FC can do it. Why aren't the
Speaker 1: Bengals doing it? Are you surprised by this? I don't
Speaker 1: think I am. In the context of what we're talking
Speaker 1: about five three, seven, four nine, seven thousand, quick time
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Speaker 1: This is seven hundred WLW probably a clip you're going
Speaker 1: to be hearing for a while. He is counsel member
Speaker 1: Mark Jefferies just on the show minutes ago, and if
Speaker 1: you missed any of that, it'll be on the podcast
Speaker 1: after the show. Via the iHeartRadio app, you can listen
Speaker 1: where we might of course take us on the go too,
Speaker 1: if you're popping on the car or whatever it is
Speaker 1: right now and you want to listen because you're talking
Speaker 1: about well, a couple of things. First of all, I
Speaker 1: was asking about the security cameras. I also heard this
Speaker 1: little story and really hasn't made news yet that the
Speaker 1: city's been working really hard to try to get football
Speaker 1: fields for youth football teams and Cincinnati. It ma makes
Speaker 1: sense if you know the background of this, you know
Speaker 1: that there's been violence and crime in and around especially
Speaker 1: Taft in other areas, and they're trying to move away
Speaker 1: from CPS because the cost to the youth football teams
Speaker 1: have to foot the bill for this. They don't have
Speaker 1: the money, barely have enough money to rent the fields,
Speaker 1: but they got to pay for security and everything else
Speaker 1: and they just can't do it and there's nothing CPS
Speaker 1: can do about. It's the cost of doing business. So
Speaker 1: now the city's going, well, what if we had separate
Speaker 1: football field. It's like two, three, four whatever football fields
Speaker 1: around town for young people to play, and we know
Speaker 1: that that pays dividends. We know that, like our kids
Speaker 1: play sports in suburbia and it gets them occupied, makes
Speaker 1: them active, interested in something that works great in urban
Speaker 1: areas too, because you know, it gives kids something new,
Speaker 1: gives them a purpose, and they tend to And the
Speaker 1: research is pretty solid about this that kids who are
Speaker 1: engaged in sports, engaged in anything for that matter, tend
Speaker 1: to be better citizens, tend not to be disruptive and
Speaker 1: cause problems in juvenile delinquency. We know that because they're
Speaker 1: doing something else awesome. You know, that's an investment in kids,
Speaker 1: our future, but it's also investment in our communities. That's
Speaker 1: good money spent, in my opinion. So where do you
Speaker 1: get the money from, well, Mark Jeffrey said, unlike the breads,
Speaker 1: it's been millions of dollars to the Red's Community Fund
Speaker 1: in building youth baseball fields in and around Cincinnati, not
Speaker 1: just Cincinnati. Let's face it, that thing's expanded to Red's Nation,
Speaker 1: Indiana and Kentucky as well. Charlie Franken's team does an
Speaker 1: unbelievable job, as does Jeff Birding's team at FC Cincinnati
Speaker 1: in building soccer field and having youth soccer academies and
Speaker 1: things like that. So the obvious question being, well, well,
Speaker 1: the Bengals should be down with that, right, And if
Speaker 1: you just heard Mark Jeffers, he said not really. He's
Speaker 1: been working with them Courtney and Mark a year and
Speaker 1: a half and crickets And first of all, if you're
Speaker 1: looking to share, and every time we bring this up,
Speaker 1: you know, there's always some sort of trickle down about
Speaker 1: how the Bengals aren't happy that you know, we're talking
Speaker 1: badly about them or saying, you know, negative. You can
Speaker 1: change that perception in the community. It's easy to do.
Speaker 1: I'm not one to tell a billionaire how to spend
Speaker 1: their money or a millionaire for that money. It's your money,
Speaker 1: do what you want. But as a member of the community,
Speaker 1: as someone who roots very hard for Cincinnati, it just
Speaker 1: it fits into the context that the team is cheap
Speaker 1: and if you're looking at that, bothers you and look,
Speaker 1: what's the outlawe here. You go, well, you're talking about
Speaker 1: spending some money here, and that's not your money to spend.
Speaker 1: I get that. But if the Reds can do it,
Speaker 1: and certainly FC and MLS and MOLB for them that
Speaker 1: are compared to the National Football League NFL money is
Speaker 1: a whole different world. And somehow they can find room
Speaker 1: to do because I think they go, yeah, listen, you
Speaker 1: know what we get some negative press. FC is a
Speaker 1: great example. We got, you know, look at what we're doing
Speaker 1: the West End. We built the stadium, we had pushed
Speaker 1: back from the residents. We're trying to make everybody happy. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're going to have to acquire some property. Yes some
Speaker 1: people are going to be displaced, but we try to
Speaker 1: do the right thing. And you know, there's always gonna
Speaker 1: be chronic complainers about gentrification everything else. That's their job
Speaker 1: is to complain. But how you fix poverty is by
Speaker 1: lifting and rising all ships and making sure that that
Speaker 1: money that comes back in the form of taxes and
Speaker 1: everything else, money spent in the community goes back to
Speaker 1: the community, and I honestly think FC is doing a
Speaker 1: great job of that. And as they continue to expand
Speaker 1: their footprint in and around the West End. That's just
Speaker 1: going to continue. Good for them. They don't have to
Speaker 1: do that, but they're doing that. And so if your
Speaker 1: other two major league franchises are leaning in hard on
Speaker 1: these things, then it stands out even more to reinforce
Speaker 1: the error about the Bengals. That is not a football team.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of lawyers running a football team. That
Speaker 1: doesn't help the narrative. It doesn't help the narrative. Again,
Speaker 1: it's just one thing after another, not clearing the seats
Speaker 1: at a play at a football game when it snows,
Speaker 1: doing the bare minimum to get by, because that's what
Speaker 1: the contract says. At some point, you got to step
Speaker 1: outside the boundaries and go instead of being a bunch
Speaker 1: of lawyers sweating the details of words and negotiating things
Speaker 1: for years on end because that's what lawyers do, step
Speaker 1: back and be human for a second. Put put you know,
Speaker 1: you need more of a they The thing that they
Speaker 1: lack is empathy. They lead a sense of Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: what's in the contracts? In the contract, we'll weather a
Speaker 1: letter of the contract. Do you really need a contract
Speaker 1: to go? Hey? You know, crime's a problem in our town.
Speaker 1: We live here. We're local ownership, which that's I hear
Speaker 1: about all the time. Well, at least they're local ownership.
Speaker 1: You know, you get some other group kind they could
Speaker 1: move the team, sure, but they're local. They're not going anywhere. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: Well if you're local, isn't it more of a reason
Speaker 1: to lean into your own hometown? And I could see
Speaker 1: if it's some outside interest that doesn't really care, you know,
Speaker 1: John bon Jovi buys the Bengals, it's from Jersey, doesn't care.
Speaker 1: But if you live here, you work here, your family's
Speaker 1: from here, you were raised here, is there more of
Speaker 1: a reason, like well the Castellini's, for the example, to
Speaker 1: do something for the community, Why do you need a
Speaker 1: contract to go? All right, we'll throw you I don't know,
Speaker 1: a couple hundred thousand dollars. How about some helmets, write,
Speaker 1: some uniforms, practice stuff like that. And I know that
Speaker 1: they've done academies and camps and stuff like that. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that they don't do that. But to take
Speaker 1: ownership in the community and invest in a field, one field, two,
Speaker 1: three fields, is it really that big an ask? Considering
Speaker 1: and put in the context of what not only happened
Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties with these dadium funding fiasco, but
Speaker 1: the fact that the CaMLA County Commissioner has just approved
Speaker 1: a four hundred and seventy million dollars rebuild of pay
Speaker 1: Course Stadium, of which tax bears the county kick in
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty million, and the Bengals in the
Speaker 1: NFL kick in one hundred and twenty million. So the
Speaker 1: Bengals went in for sixty million out of their own
Speaker 1: pocket if they split it, which is about thirteen percent
Speaker 1: of the cost, seventy four percent of it is on
Speaker 1: tax bears. At some point, don't you give something back
Speaker 1: and go, yeah, we got to do this, not because
Speaker 1: it's in a contract, not because we've got to negotiat,
Speaker 1: but because like, we want to do that. And not
Speaker 1: only that, it's not even is Jefferies Mark Jeffries has
Speaker 1: pointed out and it's so accurate. Now the Reds do
Speaker 1: this with the Reds Community Fund. So when they go
Speaker 1: out and raise money and they do the fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty raffles and all the stuff they do in the community,
Speaker 1: you know, Marty's golf outing and the poker thing, all
Speaker 1: the stuff that they do. All that money goes back
Speaker 1: into this mission, So it sounds like it's really costing
Speaker 1: the team. It's it's charitable donations from the community that
Speaker 1: they could wind up doing the same thing, and it
Speaker 1: should not take a year and a half. And you
Speaker 1: could hear the frustration and Mark Jeffrey's voice going, look,
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. We've been battling this and you know, we
Speaker 1: continue to get young people killed. I mean, isn't there
Speaker 1: a direct connection between what happened at Laurel Playground and
Speaker 1: what happens in the streets where these young people get
Speaker 1: shot and trying to prevent that from happening. Is that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're older, Maybe teenagers are a little bit older the
Speaker 1: ones that are doing the shooting. But if you give
Speaker 1: younger people something to do occupy their time, maybe you're
Speaker 1: not going to stop it, but maybe put a den
Speaker 1: in it. And also, shouldn't these kids have that opportunity
Speaker 1: you can do with baseball, you can do a soccer.
Speaker 1: Why aren't we doing the football. It's a bad look
Speaker 1: for this team and a team that does not lead
Speaker 1: any more Black Eyes. And it's not just because they've
Speaker 1: failed miserably on the field with the offensive weapons that
Speaker 1: have We beat that topic to death, but this is
Speaker 1: a different This is about the community and if you
Speaker 1: live here, if you grow up here, if you're part
Speaker 1: of that fabric, and no one more part of the
Speaker 1: fabric than the Brown family. This seems like something you
Speaker 1: should just do as opposed to trying to negotiate it.
Speaker 1: And you know, the team is as they said, it's
Speaker 1: I didn't coin this phrase, but they are undefeated. They're
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, They're in the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: They're the New England Patriots of legal maneuvering. I had
Speaker 1: if you hadn't banger banners up at pay Court before,
Speaker 1: what they have done in the courtroom as opposed to
Speaker 1: what they've done on the field. Five three, seven, four
Speaker 1: nine seven Thousan the Big One talk back I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this to be malicious towards the
Speaker 1: team and punch at them or and it's it's as is,
Speaker 1: someone who in the community goes this doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And for a council member to sound as frustrated as
Speaker 1: Mark Jeffreys is about this, I agree with them. That's
Speaker 1: not a good look when when your own city government
Speaker 1: is upset with you because they perceive you as not
Speaker 1: being a good community partner. Five and three seven four nine,
Speaker 1: seven thousand. Let me roll with John on a cell
Speaker 1: on the big one of the Scott'slan Show. Hey, John, how
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 1: Slowly?
Speaker 4: Hey, uh, Devil's advocate for a second here. You know,
Speaker 4: we don't know what the Brown family does in private,
Speaker 4: right yep, Medllion, we don't know, right, and that's the business.
Speaker 1: Correct, And you have a right to.
Speaker 3: Be very private, no question.
Speaker 1: Let me interrupt it, just John, let me interrupt you in
Speaker 1: a second. I've said that in the past, and I
Speaker 1: thank you for reminding me, because I didn't say it
Speaker 1: this time. I've heard behind the scenes that that mister Brown,
Speaker 1: the family is very generous. They don't want the publicist.
Speaker 1: It's kind of old school. They don't want the attention,
Speaker 1: they don't want the publicity. And I get that. But
Speaker 1: in the context of this, you know, if you're doing
Speaker 1: that already, is it that much harder to build the
Speaker 1: football fields? I would ask and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: And there's at some point you've got to you know,
Speaker 1: you're your own best advertiser. We live in an era
Speaker 1: where everyone is a brand. So I'm sorry you need
Speaker 1: that's the stuff you need to do. That's a slam dunk.
Speaker 4: Well, that's true, that's true. And I will tell you
Speaker 4: the Bengals need to march over to you know, great
Speaker 4: American and whoever the PR guy is for the Reds,
Speaker 4: they need to hire him for a couple of years.
Speaker 4: But let's also go back to you know, the Browns.
Speaker 4: Perception is reality, right, And there's a reason why free agents,
Speaker 4: really good free agents never come here ever. Ever, we
Speaker 4: never get free agents in their prime coming here.
Speaker 3: It never happens.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't really go after free agents.
Speaker 4: But you really think, you really think an agent gets
Speaker 4: a hold of a top ten free agent? Does Let's
Speaker 4: go talk to the Bangles. They don't, right, but they
Speaker 4: have this this inate ability to screw up an opportunity
Speaker 4: to really look good. And and let's be honest, you
Speaker 4: are if you are an NFL franchise unter right, or
Speaker 4: the family of an NFL franchise owner, you are on
Speaker 4: third base.
Speaker 1: I mean you have yes, you are, no question, but.
Speaker 4: You have al obligation when you benefit financially from taxpayers.
Speaker 4: I don't know any other industry in the professional sports, right,
Speaker 4: that benefits as much as and so there is a
Speaker 4: moral obligation. And again maybe they do donate in privately.
Speaker 1: They absolutely do. I'm not saying that they don't are generous,
Speaker 1: they just don't want the they don't want the attention.
Speaker 1: They want to be anonymous in their donations. Mister Brown,
Speaker 1: everyone and I appreciate that, and I acknowledge that one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. But there are times where you've got to
Speaker 1: especially when it's a public private partnership, especially when you
Speaker 1: drop three fifty on redoing pay Corps, that you've got
Speaker 1: to make that gesture to make it look like it's
Speaker 1: genuine and organic, and it may not be, but to
Speaker 1: come out and say, hey, listen, you guys have supported us.
Speaker 1: We know we can do better on the field. We
Speaker 1: want to be a part of the fabric of this community.
Speaker 1: And that is why the Reds get the get the
Speaker 1: leeway that they do. I mean, the team has been
Speaker 1: terrible for a long time, but we have more of
Speaker 1: affinity for the rest and I think it's because of
Speaker 1: the great work that the Reds Community Fund does. Now
Speaker 1: another example, they're winning and they're giving back. So it
Speaker 1: it's their peers that make them look worse. It's not
Speaker 1: me or the community saying hey, you cheap sobs. That's
Speaker 1: not it at all. You're being overshadowed by the other
Speaker 1: franchises in this town.
Speaker 4: Well, let me tug. It is almost impossible to lose
Speaker 4: money in the NFL as an otor.
Speaker 1: You can't do it. You can't do it, that's right.
Speaker 4: You can't lose money in the In baseball, you can
Speaker 4: lose money very quickly because you get outspent by everybody else. Right,
Speaker 4: So it is it is almost impossible to lose money.
Speaker 4: You could sit back and do nothing and make money right. Well,
Speaker 4: and I guess we look at that and go, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's probably the case right on the field. On the field, right,
Speaker 4: But anyway, they need to improve their pr go borrow
Speaker 4: the guys that they're reds and FC used, and let's
Speaker 4: improve their brands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, John, I mean they took a step forward I
Speaker 1: think with the with the Blackburn girls taking over and
Speaker 1: doing your social market, social media in the Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor and all those things you should have been doing,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my god, it's about time we
Speaker 1: finally did that. We've we've bowed the public pressure, even
Speaker 1: though Mike didn't want to do mister Brown didn't want
Speaker 1: to do this. It's timer when them to go, hey, look,
Speaker 1: this is a bad look for us right now. And
Speaker 1: they've known this for a while. But the idea that, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll let the lawyers do what they do, and they
Speaker 1: probably don't care what I'm saying or you're saying at
Speaker 1: this point because they have a history of that, Like
Speaker 1: we're going to listen to our own internal voices. I
Speaker 1: think the rest of us had say, well, how's that
Speaker 1: worked out for you so far? When it's come to
Speaker 1: community involvement and it's come to the play on the field,
Speaker 1: not so good. Now. Again, if your job is not
Speaker 1: to necessarily win football games, and if you're making money
Speaker 1: and also winning in the courts, then this team is
Speaker 1: literally literally a dynasty. But again, winning in courts and
Speaker 1: making money doesn't ingrain you with the community as much
Speaker 1: as you could be. There's plenty of other You look
Speaker 1: around the National Football League and most teams than not
Speaker 1: are adored in their communities. And you know, if that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to you, then that just reinforces what I'm
Speaker 1: saying here today anyway, And I'm not going to not
Speaker 1: holding the gun to anybody's head to make them spend
Speaker 1: money they don't want to spend. But you can also
Speaker 1: appine and say the optics on that are terrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's really it's not that big an ass to get
Speaker 1: some helmets in a field for a bunch of kids, indeed,
Speaker 1: to keep them and let's face it, get them off
Speaker 1: the street and maybe prevent them from turning to a
Speaker 1: life of Judah delinquency in crime. You could literally use
Speaker 1: literally changing That's what the Reds. You know, the Reds
Speaker 1: do with the Community Fund. That's the whole idea is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's twofold. Number one is it does get
Speaker 1: kids off the street, gets them interested in something else
Speaker 1: and keeps their noses clean, which we need more of
Speaker 1: these days. But also it sell their own interest. Right
Speaker 1: there is the fact that, hey, you know what it
Speaker 1: used to be that baseball was played, stickball, that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff on the urban streets, and you know what,
Speaker 1: basketball came along and that became this How do we
Speaker 1: get young people interested again in the game of baseball?
Speaker 1: And maybe you don't, I don't know what they're trying.
Speaker 1: Football is like the biggest product in the world. Everyone
Speaker 1: wants to play in the NFL. You know, here's an
Speaker 1: opportunity to change young people's lives by giving them that
Speaker 1: opportunity to live that dream, to get on the field
Speaker 1: and play, as opposed to well what else causing trouble?
Speaker 1: If you can save a few of these, say, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like, oh the children, but
Speaker 1: it's true. You can't save them all, but he can
Speaker 1: save a few, it seems like a not only noble endeavor,
Speaker 1: but also an investment in your team, in your future
Speaker 1: and helping, you know, reinforce how great that brand is. Anyway,
Speaker 1: all we got news coming up in just a few
Speaker 1: minutes here on the Big one, seven hundred w WELW down.
Speaker 1: I expect to be talking about that this morning. Actually
Speaker 1: did want to talk a little bit about what's happening
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. I don't know, maybe we're tired of that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Every day there's something new. And I will say this
Speaker 1: that you know, watching the new video that's come out
Speaker 1: with the Pretty Guy, that he looks like an angry
Speaker 1: guy first of all in the video. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. And I will say this, if you saw
Speaker 1: that as I did, and he's kicking out the tail
Speaker 1: light on a ice vehicle and he wasn't arrested for that,
Speaker 1: which quite honestly surprised me. It seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're beating up on a government vehicle, you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: get cuffed. You should get cuffed at that point. But
Speaker 1: I think the problem is is that you know, people
Speaker 1: will see that and go, well, there you go, this
Speaker 1: is why he was shot. Well, no, it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: was a separate thing entirely. I look at that and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, clearly he likes to go, well, he's motivated
Speaker 1: enough to go out and protest and be violent in
Speaker 1: this protest as you saw him, you know, kicking out
Speaker 1: the tailight in a car. But you'll also notice, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's carrying his weapon with that time.
Speaker 1: I wo'd assume he would if he's taken it everywhere,
Speaker 1: his concealed carry weapon. He didn't pull it out. And
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't shot when he's kicking the light out,
Speaker 1: and that was much more violent than what we saw
Speaker 1: that led to his death. I can look at that
Speaker 1: objectively and go, yeah, the guy seems to shlan a
Speaker 1: show up at protests. He really doesn't like ice. I
Speaker 1: get that, and you're allowed to do that. I think
Speaker 1: there are people and I've heard it before and he
Speaker 1: emails and everything else, DMS people saying, Saint C you're
Speaker 1: defending this guy, and well, you know, you can protest
Speaker 1: and you can act up, but there's no reason whatsoever
Speaker 1: to shoot the guy. And if you think because it
Speaker 1: fits your political ideolagyr narrative, there's the problem because guess
Speaker 1: what's gonna have At some point, it's gonna go the
Speaker 1: other way, and you're gonna have Democrats in power and
Speaker 1: they're gonna do this to conservatives or people who are
Speaker 1: on the right who are protesting, and you're gonna screen
Speaker 1: bloody murder. That's why, you know, if Kyle Rittenhouse comes
Speaker 1: to mind, it's like I supported Kyle Rittenhouse. I get
Speaker 1: what he was doing because you're allowed to do that.
Speaker 1: And you know, because I support the Second Amendment in
Speaker 1: the first as well, you're allowed to go out there
Speaker 1: and protest against your government. We should be doing more
Speaker 1: of it. Quite honestly, it shouldn't lead unless you're actually pointing,
Speaker 1: physically threatening, assaulting that leads to the shooting death of you.
Speaker 1: You know what happened with him. I look at that,
Speaker 1: and I don't think most people look at that and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't be shooting a guy you've already disarmed, even
Speaker 1: if it isn't the you know, the fog of war,
Speaker 1: the cloud of confusion. Sorry, anyway, there'll be more on this,
Speaker 1: I'm sure coming out too. But people see that and go, ah,
Speaker 1: my mind's already made up. I have to support the
Speaker 1: cause and he had it coming. But I you know,
Speaker 1: I should say the same thing about Ashley Babbitt during
Speaker 1: January sixth. What's the difference? Scott Flung Show, It's a
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Speaker 1: about you. I've got a lot of subscriptions in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm not a member. I'm not subscribed to the bulletin
Speaker 1: of the Atomic Scientist. What is that? Well, you don't
Speaker 1: really know that group. What you do know is their product.
Speaker 1: Every year since nineteen forty seven, they update the doomsday clock.
Speaker 1: That's a metaphor for how close regard to humans being extinct,
Speaker 1: and we are now closer than ever to midnight. Last
Speaker 1: week they just rolled this baby up to eighty five seconds.
Speaker 1: Eighty five seconds to the stroke of doom. Now it's arbitrary, right,
Speaker 1: but you think about what we're doing right now, and
Speaker 1: it's not just you know, climate and technologies like AI
Speaker 1: and autocracy taking it around the world, but specifically you
Speaker 1: think of nuclear powers, and you think about well, the
Speaker 1: president wanting to take over Greenland as a strategic defense
Speaker 1: in Minsie and so these are the factors probably more
Speaker 1: in there why they've moved the doomsday clock up to
Speaker 1: eighty five seconds till midnight. Let's see closest it's ever been.
Speaker 1: Annie Jacobson is quite the expert on the end of humanity,
Speaker 1: specifically when it comes to nuclear armageddon. She writes all
Speaker 1: about it. If you think eighty five seconds of Midnight's worrisome,
Speaker 1: seventy two minutes is all we have from the first
Speaker 1: launch till we're all gone, seventy two minutes is all
Speaker 1: will take to wipe out civilization. Annie Jacobson, welcome back.
Speaker 5: How you Ben, I'm great, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Let's jump in with sources to start here as people go, okay,
Speaker 1: is this fiction?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Is it made for TV? Movie kind of situation? Because
Speaker 1: presumably a lot has changed since nineteen eighty three in
Speaker 1: the day after. Who'd you talk to?
Speaker 6: I talked to forty six sources on the record, Secretary
Speaker 6: of Defense, the Nuclear sub Force Commander, Obama's BEMA director,
Speaker 6: Stratcom Commander. I can go on and on, and readers
Speaker 6: should look at those sources. They're right up front in
Speaker 6: the book for exactly that reason.
Speaker 5: Although this is.
Speaker 6: A hypothetical situation, it is one that could most certainly happen.
Speaker 6: That's why so many high ranking sources went on the
Speaker 6: records with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, I mentioned the day after,
Speaker 1: but it all ends with an explosion and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are dead. Is there such a thing as
Speaker 1: being prepared?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Well, me taking I don't know a blanket from my
Speaker 1: picnic and throwing it over me and my family protect
Speaker 1: me from the big blast.
Speaker 6: What comes to mind when you ask me that question
Speaker 6: is a cool find. Nikita Kruse, chef, the former Soviet premiere,
Speaker 6: and he said, after a nuclear war, the living would
Speaker 6: envy the dead. That's what an apocalyptic situation it will
Speaker 6: be after a nuclear exchange. In the words of the
Speaker 6: Stratcom Commander, General Keeler, who I spoke with for the book,
Speaker 6: he said to me, Annie. We were discussing what would
Speaker 6: happen in a nuclear exchange between Russia and America and
Speaker 6: their massive arsenal.
Speaker 5: On ready for launch.
Speaker 6: Status, and he said to me, Annie, the world could
Speaker 6: end in the next few hours.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have what nine nuclear armed nations including US,
Speaker 1: and pretty much I'm guessing that here in Cincinnati there
Speaker 1: are nuclear oarheads pointed towards US. As far as the
Speaker 1: arsenals go, is there any place on Earth that's not
Speaker 1: going to be scorched if we have on again?
Speaker 6: There isn't and that has to do with not just
Speaker 6: the mass fires that will result in a nuclear exchange.
Speaker 6: Keep in mind that America has one seven hundred and
Speaker 6: seventy nuclear weapons on i'm ready for launch status.
Speaker 5: That doesn't include the.
Speaker 6: Ones in the arsenal, the entire arsenal, but that is
Speaker 6: a number that is ready for launch. Russia has approximately
Speaker 6: the same and so you're talking about thousands of nuclear
Speaker 6: weapons potentially going off. But what the real damage is
Speaker 6: and where the apocalypse happens? Five billion people dead is
Speaker 6: now the estimate is from the nuclear winter that will ensue.
Speaker 6: The firestorms create billions of pounds of soot being lofted
Speaker 6: into the air. This blocks out the sun and creates
Speaker 6: what it's called nuclear winter, a theory that interestingly, that
Speaker 6: same time frame you're referencing the day after in the
Speaker 6: early eighties, when the nuclear winter theory first came out,
Speaker 6: the Defense Department sort of marginalized it, claiming it to
Speaker 6: be Soviet propaganda. I found documents that demonstrated the Defense
Speaker 6: Department was seriously concerned. They just put that information out
Speaker 6: there because the idea was this is bad for nuclear
Speaker 6: war business.
Speaker 5: And so you see, we always have these kind.
Speaker 6: Of misinformations and disinformation's going off.
Speaker 5: It's just part and Parsons to a democracy.
Speaker 1: Talking to any Jacobson this morning, who's an expert on
Speaker 1: nuclear warfare of all things, and writes about it. So
Speaker 1: Trump is proposing this golden or at least he's leaving that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to go anywhere, but
Speaker 1: let's say we have incoming nukes, so let's go through this.
Speaker 1: The president has about six minutes to respond. I'm typically
Speaker 1: I would think that someone's launching at us, We're not
Speaker 1: gonna launch at anyone else, and then the world is
Speaker 1: over in seventy two minutes, which is I can't even
Speaker 1: contemplate that. I don't think anyone listening can. So you
Speaker 1: got about hour twelve minutes before it's all over all right,
Speaker 1: So what happens in that six minutes. Let's I'm guessing
Speaker 1: satellites detect and there's thermal imaging that detect and see
Speaker 1: the signatures of the ICBMs that launch from Let's say
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's say Russia, they're coming at us,
Speaker 1: and it's verified.
Speaker 6: What happens, Well, you're absolutely right that the kicking time
Speaker 6: clock scenario is inherent in this and that is because
Speaker 6: of technology, as you say, the satellite systems. But hold
Speaker 6: that six minute window for the president for a moment,
Speaker 6: because that doesn't happen until about minutes seven or eight
Speaker 6: of a scenario, and that is because activity happens within
Speaker 6: the Defense.
Speaker 5: Department before they bring the information to the president. Because
Speaker 5: the president.
Speaker 6: Then has six minutes that window you describe that sixth
Speaker 6: minute window is for him to launch a nuclear counter
Speaker 6: attack against any of the nuclear armed nations that would
Speaker 6: be crazy enough to launch a nuclear weapon. And still
Speaker 6: in my scenario, I have North Korea launching what is
Speaker 6: called a bolt out of the blue attack. And that
Speaker 6: is because presidential advisor's former presidential advisors.
Speaker 5: Told me that this is a quote, a bolt.
Speaker 6: Out of the blue attack against Washington, DC is what
Speaker 6: everyone in Washington, DC fears most. So that But let
Speaker 6: me just make an interesting point about the satellite system, which.
Speaker 5: You are absolutely right. We have a satellite system in space.
Speaker 5: It's called SIBBERS.
Speaker 6: It's built by Lockheed, and it detects nuclear launch in
Speaker 6: under a fraction of a second launch. You can see
Speaker 6: why the chicken time clock then begins.
Speaker 1: Right, and once a nuke is launched, there's no recall.
Speaker 1: This isn't a movie. It's once you hit that button,
Speaker 1: it's over right.
Speaker 6: An ICBM, a nuclear armed ICBM cannot be recalled. It
Speaker 6: also cannot be redirected.
Speaker 1: The president then has to decide response, which presumably is
Speaker 1: set in stone, right. I mean, if someone's launching a
Speaker 1: nuke at us, we're going to launch at them.
Speaker 6: There are policies in place, you're absolutely right, and we
Speaker 6: have Stratcom commanders on the record, you know, explaining some
Speaker 6: about those details, and I've brought them literally in the book.
Speaker 6: But another interesting thing is, yes, we have this satellite
Speaker 6: system in space which detects the nuclear launch within a
Speaker 6: fraction of a second, but then the nuclear command and
Speaker 6: control skins into action. There are three bunker systems nuclear
Speaker 6: bunkers in the United States under the Pentadon inside Cheyenne
Speaker 6: Mountain and beneath the Stratcom in Omaha, Nebraska, and those
Speaker 6: facilities go into hyperdrive as the second pick out, because
Speaker 6: now before the president launches a counter attack, you must
Speaker 6: have what is called secondary confirmation, and that comes from
Speaker 6: a radar system that.
Speaker 5: Is land based.
Speaker 6: In the scenario that I write, it is in Alaska,
Speaker 6: that is where it is.
Speaker 5: And so that.
Speaker 6: Secondary conversation confirmation comes.
Speaker 5: As the missile comes over the.
Speaker 6: Horizon, and that occurs at about eight or nine minutes.
Speaker 6: And at that point the president literally now.
Speaker 5: It's time for him to open the football.
Speaker 6: That's famous football that follows around the president twenty four
Speaker 6: to seven three sixty five, carried by the military aid,
Speaker 6: and the president must open the black book and make
Speaker 6: his decision about how and where to launch the counter strike.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that Annie. So the football we all
Speaker 1: learned about that. As you have a military aid that
Speaker 1: carries it around and the launch codes are in there.
Speaker 1: Presument and it's a pretty big satchel too. I mean,
Speaker 1: guess there are like a couple of sandwiches in there,
Speaker 1: maybe a you know, a pop or something, and a
Speaker 1: red bull and what else was in there?
Speaker 6: They're inside the nuclear football is the black book, and
Speaker 6: also an identification process that will make it clear to
Speaker 6: the nuclear command center beneath the Pentagon that the president
Speaker 6: is indeed the president. And so he has in his
Speaker 6: wallet what is called the biscuit. It's a laminated card.
Speaker 6: Inside the football are the codes and that system is
Speaker 6: matched up. Interestingly, it's not biometric. It's not like an
Speaker 6: IRIS scan or a fingerprint. It's none of that. It
Speaker 6: is old school analogue call and response, and then it
Speaker 6: is endgame.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone that can override that? Is there a
Speaker 1: way to you know, can the president go rogue and
Speaker 1: say give me the football, I'm mad at I don't
Speaker 1: know North Korea, let's say, or Iran and I'm going
Speaker 1: to order a strike. Is there a way to override that?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: I asked this question to the chief historian of the
Speaker 6: Classified library at Los Alamos. Los Alamos was very forthcoming
Speaker 6: with me and provided me even with some declassified, declassified
Speaker 6: some documents on the football, specifically for the book.
Speaker 5: And I asked that question to doctor.
Speaker 6: Glenn McGuff at the lab, and I said, you know,
Speaker 6: would anyone override anything in any of these situations? You're
Speaker 6: you know, essentially your question that you've asked me, and
Speaker 6: I well, I asked the classic question, which is, would
Speaker 6: a missilear not turn the key to launch the nuclear
Speaker 6: sylum or would a submarine or not launch not turn
Speaker 6: the key to launch the ballistic missile from the submarine.
Speaker 5: And what doctor mcdust said.
Speaker 6: To me was, Annie, you'd have more chances of winning
Speaker 6: Powerball than having someone in the nuclear command and control
Speaker 6: chain of command defy orders.
Speaker 1: It's pretty sober and considering well where we are politically
Speaker 1: in this country right now, well, I'm just.
Speaker 5: Going to be there because it certainly is sobering. My goodness.
Speaker 6: Cognition and judgment are what is imperative for potus.
Speaker 5: I am not a political writer.
Speaker 6: I write about potis the president of the United States.
Speaker 6: That individual is in charge of the nuclear arsenal. They
Speaker 6: have what is called sole presidential authority. They ask permission
Speaker 6: of no one, not the sec death, not the chairman
Speaker 6: of the Joint chiefs of staffs, not Congress. You want
Speaker 6: someone in that position of authority that has all their
Speaker 6: marvels and all their judgment.
Speaker 1: So the birds are in the air, they're flying at
Speaker 1: each other. What then happens? And we just sit there
Speaker 1: and wait to die.
Speaker 6: Let me give you an example of one of the
Speaker 6: absolutely most existentially perilous that is a true fact in
Speaker 6: the scenario that I write for lots of reasons that
Speaker 6: I explained in the book Choosing North Korea, when the
Speaker 6: United States makes a nuclear counter attack in a following
Speaker 6: launch on morning protocol and following what is suggested to
Speaker 6: the President of North Korea. The scenario launches one nuclear
Speaker 6: missile of US and then a second, and the response
Speaker 6: from the Defense Department is eighty two nuclear weapons in response.
Speaker 6: And there are reasons you can read in the notes
Speaker 6: why that number exists. And as those ICBMs and sub
Speaker 6: launched ballistic missiles are heading toward North Korea, the Russians
Speaker 6: are alerted.
Speaker 5: And what readers learn in the book Spoiler Alert is.
Speaker 6: That the United States is ICBMs, our intercontinental ballistic missile
Speaker 6: that are going to go from our continent to North
Speaker 6: Korea to get to North Korea. They do not have
Speaker 6: enough rain to fly there directly, they must fly over Russia.
Speaker 6: And so imagine a scenario where nuclear weapons are flying
Speaker 6: and Russia has.
Speaker 5: No way to believe.
Speaker 6: That the nuclear that the ICBMs that are heading allegedly
Speaker 6: over their territory are not heading to their territory, and
Speaker 6: that triggers a counter response. I discussed this with Secretary Panetta,
Speaker 6: former Secretary of Defense Beyond Panetta, and he said something
Speaker 6: to me that's quoted in the book, like, it's really
Speaker 6: unfortunate that in a time of crisis, no one's thinking
Speaker 6: about how other nuclear armed nations might react.
Speaker 1: Final question for Annie, because I know you got to
Speaker 1: get going. Tell me it's going to be okay.
Speaker 6: I cannot tell you that, and I believe that's why
Speaker 6: so many sources went on the record with me. This
Speaker 6: is a sort of hair trigger moment we're all living in,
Speaker 6: and to quote the United Nations Secretary General, we are
Speaker 6: one misunderstanding, one miscalculation away from nuclear annihilation.
Speaker 5: And that is a true fact. Actually, I'm going to
Speaker 5: end on a hopeful note. Your last point about the
Speaker 5: day after.
Speaker 6: I was a high school student at the time, and
Speaker 6: hundred million people watched that terrifying film TV film about
Speaker 6: a nuclear war between Russia and the United States. But
Speaker 6: one very important American also watched it, and that was
Speaker 6: President Reagan.
Speaker 5: And before that, before.
Speaker 6: Seeing that he was a nuclear hawk, he believed the
Speaker 6: more nuclear weapons the better. After watching it, he wrote
Speaker 6: in his White House Journal, he was greatly depressed. That
Speaker 6: caused him to reach out to our quote unquote enemy,
Speaker 6: the Soviet Union. Reagan reached out to Gorbachev. As a result,
Speaker 6: they had their recordic summit. The world went from seventy
Speaker 6: thousand nuclear weapons seventy thousand to the approximately twelve thousand,
Speaker 6: five hundred we haff today. That's a hopeful note. The
Speaker 6: president of the United States can.
Speaker 5: Begin to make a change.
Speaker 1: Any Jacobson nuclear war a scenario. It's a really cool read.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting into this on vacation and
Speaker 1: to say, minute by minute, blow by blow, what was happened,
Speaker 1: What would happen if we have a nuclear war a
Speaker 1: nuclear attack? Andy, all the best, Thanks for coming on
Speaker 1: the show. Appreciate it's great stuff.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Doomsday clock closest has ever been to midnight, which
Speaker 1: means bad things. However, I can always see I always
Speaker 1: see the silver lining of things. I'm made perpetual optimist,
Speaker 1: nuclear I'm againin comes, at least for the few seconds
Speaker 1: before we perish, will be warm. Coming up next to
Speaker 1: the show, he is our resident health, fitness and er
Speaker 1: doctor Sanjay Shaefer CREMANI everything you need to know about
Speaker 1: g LP ones, you know the injectables and now the
Speaker 1: oral tablets that are coming out as well. Do you
Speaker 1: really need to be on the stuff who's indicated for?
Speaker 1: And weight loss questions because you may have been fighting
Speaker 1: the battle since the first year and going this is stupid.
Speaker 1: I'm not losing any weight. I need to do something.
Speaker 1: I'll answer the questions. Coming up next Scott's Loan seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW, Scott's Flane Show seven hundred WW Welcome to it.
Speaker 1: So before I get into it with Sanjay, here about
Speaker 1: GLP once. This is a great tie in too, because
Speaker 1: we'll talk about food first. I didn't see this coming,
Speaker 1: so I went to uh, my wife's like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: I for d I stopped at Dorothy Lane Marketing and
Speaker 1: Mason and I'm like, you know, one of those you
Speaker 1: don't know what's for dinner? And they had the homemade,
Speaker 1: and they make everything homemade there. Romen Broth, Like where
Speaker 1: do you buy romen? They sold rog romen broth. So
Speaker 1: about Ramen, it was phenomenal as good as a restaurant's phenomenal.
Speaker 1: And I love and hate that place because they spent
Speaker 1: all my money there, but it's so good between that
Speaker 1: and home improvement places that that's all I have. Yesterday
Speaker 1: dropped off from turkey and wild Royce soup and the
Speaker 1: bread bowls and crunchy bacon coal slaw, and they make
Speaker 1: everything in house. I think it even like they have
Speaker 1: some indoor wheat farm that they harvest their and wheat inside.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it, but it's damn it.
Speaker 1: Everything's good.
Speaker 2: You have to go.
Speaker 1: I'd never have that again. The killer brownies are that,
Speaker 1: they're killer brownie. So thanks to Dorothy Lane Market dropping
Speaker 1: off some desperately needed soup yesterday, Sonja I had to
Speaker 1: explain to her own Bill Cunningham what a bread bowl was.
Speaker 1: The man is eighty years old, has no idea what
Speaker 1: a bread bowl is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's still time to learn stuff. Yeah, well is
Speaker 7: that that's like it's a bread bowl?
Speaker 1: Well, what do you mean? Like, well, they cut the
Speaker 1: top off and you put the soup in the bowl
Speaker 1: and the and the bowl. The bread is the bowl
Speaker 1: and then you eat the bread if you want. And
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, then it's a bread bowl. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: so is there their soup in it? There is there
Speaker 1: soup and the bread? Like, no, you take the hot
Speaker 1: soup and put never mind, Yeah, forget it. Thanks to
Speaker 1: doroth our friends at Dorothley Lane Market for hooking us
Speaker 1: up yesterday. Was absolutely speaking.
Speaker 7: Of Dorothy Lane. Yeah, yeah, I've I've actually gone there
Speaker 7: and ordered a raws steak which they'll cook to your
Speaker 7: like right there right yeah, and it was phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then I just pulled up to the wine and
Speaker 7: beer section where my two b father in law works.
Speaker 7: So say hi to Mike if you ever stopped around there. Mike,
Speaker 7: Mike works the food and wine sections. Say hi for
Speaker 7: the beer and wine section. Say hi for me.
Speaker 1: That's a good guy to know. Yeah, that's not marrying
Speaker 1: her because it's because the connection to the food to
Speaker 1: the wine and beer. Guy. We'll talk later, all right,
Speaker 1: I gotcha, I gotcha. He is Sancha shav Crimani. Uh.
Speaker 1: He is a physician. He our doctor at that and
Speaker 1: also talk expert in fitness and food and everything else.
Speaker 1: One of those things intersect. We're gonna, you know, cramming
Speaker 1: down a healthy lifestyle downe in your throat by any means,
Speaker 1: because I like to eat as badly as the next guy. However,
Speaker 1: there comes a time where you start to do a
Speaker 1: self assessment and go, maybe I need to drop a
Speaker 1: couple LB's get to show weight, as they say at
Speaker 1: the State Fair. And a lot of people are going,
Speaker 1: what about these glp ones? What about the injectables, what
Speaker 1: about the ozepic, what about the orals? What about the medication?
Speaker 1: Because this is about the time, if not already, Sanjay,
Speaker 1: as you know, people do that first of year thing.
Speaker 1: I got my new tracksuit, I got shoes, I got matching.
Speaker 1: Out fat. I'm from a woman. I'm going I'm getting
Speaker 1: an out fat. Those are not you an outfat? I
Speaker 1: got out fat. So you get outfit, you get earbuds,
Speaker 1: you get subscription, you go, you go to a gym,
Speaker 1: you got I've got a trainer, I've got it all going.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna needt Olympian in six months. Yeap, about this time,
Speaker 1: you go, I'm out. The struggle is too reels and
Speaker 1: you go or maybe you're doing it. You're like, wow,
Speaker 1: I thought I lose some weight and I'm only down
Speaker 1: like one and a half pounds. Whiskey tingo, fox ride.
Speaker 1: What about GLP ones, Maybe it's time to experiment with that,
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So, you know, I think I think us as a
Speaker 7: society have really changed as far as it's and it's
Speaker 7: still changing as far as our perception of these medications.
Speaker 7: I think you know, when they first started coming out,
Speaker 7: they had a very negative perception because you know, it's
Speaker 7: the unknown, and that's how we deal with them. But
Speaker 7: over time, it's it's it's become more prevalent. In fact,
Speaker 7: do you know how many people are on them out
Speaker 7: there or what what percentage? Just like I think four
Speaker 7: or five people, give or take, it's actually twelve percent,
Speaker 7: twelve percent of people. Ten to twelve percent of people
Speaker 7: are on a GLP one. Now that could be for diabetes,
Speaker 7: it could be for weight loss, but we're talking one
Speaker 7: out of every eight people is on one. Have you
Speaker 7: ever seen Madison?
Speaker 1: By the way, it's something a prescription that has so
Speaker 1: quickly come on, like like everyone's on it.
Speaker 7: Not not to this degree. No, not that I can
Speaker 7: think of. I mean, you know, maybe statins and stuff
Speaker 7: like that, but it really this is this is really
Speaker 7: taking over. The interesting thing is a lot of people
Speaker 7: don't share that publicly. You know, there's still a little
Speaker 7: scarlet letters associated with it. I think from time that
Speaker 7: will go down as we understand obesity more. But yeah,
Speaker 7: the GLP ones are effective. I mean they're dropping. Patients
Speaker 7: are dropping their way to an average of like fifteen
Speaker 7: percent in a year of starting them, which is significant.
Speaker 7: I mean if that's one out of every seven of
Speaker 7: your pounds, so if you're one hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 7: you're dropping twenty of those And.
Speaker 1: To your point, though it's so many people, it's actually
Speaker 1: changed our life expectancy. It's changed our overall fitness in
Speaker 1: America for the first time ever.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and what we're seeing is decreased rates of heart attacks,
Speaker 7: decrease rates of strokes in these patients. So it's not
Speaker 7: just you know, the vain thing that a lot of
Speaker 7: people say, you just want to look skinny. No, they're
Speaker 7: actually these are having positive effects on heart attacks, strokes, cholesterol, everything, insoluence, sensitivity.
Speaker 7: There are a ton of improvements and even the mental
Speaker 7: health associated with it, because obesity carries that too.
Speaker 1: All right, So it's indicated for whom then that's the
Speaker 1: big question as well. If I've got to lose ten,
Speaker 1: I mean, you need to know how much you weigh,
Speaker 1: maybe BMI comes to the factor, and what percentage of
Speaker 1: body fat you need to lose, So do the math
Speaker 1: for me? Who should be on this?
Speaker 7: So uh, there there are a lot of qualifications, and
Speaker 7: I mean, at the end of the day, doctors are
Speaker 7: prescribing it for a lot of people. But if you
Speaker 7: look at it, and especially what the insurance companies are covering,
Speaker 7: you know, your BMI has to be greater than forty,
Speaker 7: which is pretty pretty heavy for most of them. B
Speaker 7: and my greater than thirty is also working sometimes, but
Speaker 7: less than thirty you're really not be on it, yeah,
Speaker 7: especially for weight loss. Now if you're diabetic, you could
Speaker 7: certainly be on it, but that's not the primary.
Speaker 1: Purpose to get it there. Good, that's interest because I
Speaker 1: think I'm really close, so I need to eat more
Speaker 1: just to qualify.
Speaker 7: It's a good goal. To Dorothy Lane, you be expecting
Speaker 7: flan shortly, Well, I got a ram and that's good
Speaker 7: for you. Actually, a bone broth I need to have
Speaker 7: like well like you had. Yeah, yeah, it's flintstone size steak.
Speaker 7: Tip my car over steak as well. I can get
Speaker 7: all the sides because that's why we have steak. It's
Speaker 7: fun to hut yourself up and then then you can
Speaker 7: prescribe yourself some LFG to the GLP. We're alphabet souper
Speaker 7: right now. Somebody's gonna use that in marketing.
Speaker 3: You know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, b I higher BMI thirty forty plus
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, it's indicated for you. I've also heard
Speaker 1: too that like the first thirty pounds come off, then
Speaker 1: after that nothing, Why is that? So it's hard to
Speaker 1: know for sure.
Speaker 7: It's you know, there is a lot of fat tissue
Speaker 7: to go away, and so as your body starts processing that,
Speaker 7: it's like anything. I mean, if you've got a lot
Speaker 7: of access, it's easy to get rid of the beginning
Speaker 7: and then it goes slower. Our body does develop a
Speaker 7: little bit of tolerance to these medications, so you're going
Speaker 7: to see patients that need higher doses. As we go
Speaker 7: up with higher doses, you also get more side effects
Speaker 7: of these medicines. So yeah, there is a slight plateau effect,
Speaker 7: but most people over the year lose about.
Speaker 1: It's about fifteen or so percent, okay, fifteen percent of
Speaker 1: your total bot if it didn't do the math, you know,
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds and then you hit that plateau. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what if I what if I BMI of forty
Speaker 1: to fifty let's say, and I know I'll lose more overall,
Speaker 1: because but I need to lose more than that. What
Speaker 1: do I do after that I plateau? Then what happens?
Speaker 7: So if you plateau, you know, there's there's more information
Speaker 7: coming out, So there's a lot of different things. The
Speaker 7: easy idea is let's increase your dose, but again that
Speaker 7: comes with some side effects. What we're also seeing is
Speaker 7: that these medications work really well for about fifty percent
Speaker 7: of people and not so well for the other fifty percent,
Speaker 7: and so the question is why. And as we learn
Speaker 7: more about obesity, we're learning a lot. So there's there's
Speaker 7: four phenotypes, so four different types essentially that we're thinking
Speaker 7: about what causes obesity and especially thinking about it in
Speaker 7: a medical sense. So there's having a hungry gut, having
Speaker 7: a hungry brain, having emotional hunger, and then having a
Speaker 7: slow burn, so we can walk through those hung four. Yeah,
Speaker 7: hungry gut is you know, your your stomach pushes stuff out,
Speaker 7: your food out really quickly, and so your stomach feels
Speaker 7: really hungry shortly after a meal where you should feel
Speaker 7: good for a while. Now, what the glp ones do
Speaker 7: is they slow down your stomach so that it's not
Speaker 7: pushing out that food quickly and you feel full longer.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 7: So that's hungry you gut. Hungry brain is you have
Speaker 7: cravings all the time. You can't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 7: You need to eat to fulfill your brain, and that's
Speaker 7: a different thing entirely. So the glp ones do help
Speaker 7: a little bit because they do affect the brain along
Speaker 7: with the gut and the pancreas, so they do affect
Speaker 7: that a little bit, but not as much as the
Speaker 7: hungry gut thing.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 7: Then you have the emotional hunger, which is basically stress eating.
Speaker 7: That is what gets meal lot of the time, or
Speaker 7: just like boredom or stress at work and I'm just
Speaker 7: you know, I'm eating snacks and I've gone through ten
Speaker 7: bags of chips before I know it.
Speaker 1: You're going through crazy all day working and then you're
Speaker 1: like I'll watch some TV and just chill, and then
Speaker 1: the next thing and I'm half into a bag of chips,
Speaker 1: exactly because now you've connected sitting in idle time and
Speaker 1: teeth watching, and you know, maybe your parents did it too,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, and that's a tough habit to
Speaker 1: break because.
Speaker 7: It's exactly and it's you know, habit is part of it.
Speaker 7: Your brain has formed these connections and so that is
Speaker 7: something that you know, GLP ones will help those patients
Speaker 7: a little bit, but really you need cognitive behavior therapy
Speaker 7: and stuff like that. And then the last one is
Speaker 7: basically a slow burner slow metabolism, and that's from you know, genetics, thyroid,
Speaker 7: but also could be like not having enough protein on board.
Speaker 7: We know that having muscle on board burns more calories
Speaker 7: than less muscle. Taking in more protein does the same,
Speaker 7: and so that can be helped less with GLP ones.
Speaker 7: That's not going to help your metabolism so much, but
Speaker 7: you're having more protein in your life will help that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Hungry, gut cravings, emotional slow metabolism. All right, So
Speaker 1: off the GLP you're going, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want the glps. I can't afford whatever it might be,
Speaker 1: how you com are the ways to combat each one
Speaker 1: of those four symptoms that you just said are for
Speaker 1: indicators without GLP. So start with the hungry gut. So
Speaker 1: if you're constantly hungry all the time and you you know,
Speaker 1: you have a fast metabolism, I guess, or maybe you're
Speaker 1: eating the wrong foods.
Speaker 7: What, Yeah, hungry guts. It's the tougher one because that's
Speaker 7: the one that's really targeted by the g LP ones.
Speaker 7: But having small mules may or may not help you.
Speaker 7: It may make you want to eat a ton of
Speaker 7: small meals. Having a large meal, you know, it could
Speaker 7: it could be effective too. So that's the hard one
Speaker 7: that I you know, I would say these patients need
Speaker 7: the GLP ones because they have got the hungry hungry gut.
Speaker 7: Hungry brain is a different thing. That's again you know,
Speaker 7: emotional or cravings in general. There there are some medicines
Speaker 7: like now tre Zone, which helps with cravings, is being
Speaker 7: shown to help with alcohol addiction to so there are
Speaker 7: the medicines for that that would be a prescription. And
Speaker 7: then you know and overall just that could deal with
Speaker 7: you know, cognitive behavioral stuff as well. When we're dealing with,
Speaker 7: you know, the emotional eating. That's really cognitive behavioral therapy,
Speaker 7: working through it, being mindful of your eating, knowing you.
Speaker 1: Know, drug for that it's it's well, yeah, there may
Speaker 1: be some discipline, but it's it's such a loaded word,
Speaker 1: right as ye willpower as hard well, you know, and
Speaker 1: I know people who do mindful eating, which is just
Speaker 1: you know, before you reach for anything.
Speaker 7: Am I really hungry? Let me think about this. Just
Speaker 7: introducing a pause before reaching for food is sony.
Speaker 1: Why do we do that? By the way, Sanjay shave
Speaker 1: Cromani's a physician and the health and fitness guy, and
Speaker 1: we're talking about GLP once. Who needs them and why?
Speaker 1: Now's about the time of you're like, oh, I tried
Speaker 1: working out, exercise, it's just not working. I need something
Speaker 1: if it's right for you or not. Because you hear
Speaker 1: a lot of commercials and ads for that, to be sure,
Speaker 1: and you're inundated with g LP once. It's certainly a
Speaker 1: great thing, but it's not for everybody. And this is
Speaker 1: what you need to know. What about that element of it? Though,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the the I forgot I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, the hell was interesting. I lost it lost
Speaker 1: I'm blanking now, all right, I just had a brain fart.
Speaker 1: That's another topic. We'll say that for next week. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: There's there's so much to cover on this. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: g but I'll move the conversation forward what I was
Speaker 1: saying earlier. Yeah, you do that, and I'll talk about
Speaker 1: the orals. So we So for whatever these have been inact,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are injectables. One of the dentist
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not going to take some shoot myself
Speaker 1: with a needle exactly.
Speaker 7: And fortunately those those injections are only once a week,
Speaker 7: which is still you know, fifty two weeks a year.
Speaker 7: You're you're getting an injection. And they've created those formulations
Speaker 7: so they last for a week in the body, so
Speaker 7: that that's what's helpful. This meant the GLP itself is
Speaker 7: a peptide that actually lasts only two to three minutes
Speaker 7: in the body, So making it last for a week
Speaker 7: is a feat in itself. That's the problem with oral
Speaker 7: medications that they've been trying to figure out. So now
Speaker 7: they have the medications. Specifically, WIGOVI has a or some
Speaker 7: glue tide has a covering that you can put on
Speaker 7: it that protects it from the stomach from breaking it down.
Speaker 7: It gets absorbed and will last for a day. So
Speaker 7: now these orals are out there as of earlier this month,
Speaker 7: and you have to take them thirty minutes before you eat,
Speaker 7: but you make them every day as opposed to once
Speaker 7: a week because they do break down quickly. Still, the
Speaker 7: nice thing about it is there's been a lot of
Speaker 7: competition in the market. Everyone's hearing about these things, and
Speaker 7: there's a pressure to drive the pressure. The price is
Speaker 7: down and we're talking about now. You know, these medicans
Speaker 7: medications as injectibles used to cost like upwards of one
Speaker 7: thousand per month. This is starting at about one hundred
Speaker 7: and forty nine dollars for a starter pack, and as
Speaker 7: you go up it gets more. And you know, I
Speaker 7: want to say, I'm not paid by any of these companies.
Speaker 7: This is just this is what I've researched and found
Speaker 7: and this is where we're at right now. So it's
Speaker 7: good the prices are coming down for these and more
Speaker 7: patients and people can be helped.
Speaker 1: Gotcha are the pills do they same efficacy as injectibles?
Speaker 1: Is one better than they're thinking? It's close.
Speaker 7: I think the as far as the trade names of
Speaker 7: zep Bound and Manjarro, those tend to work the best
Speaker 7: of the of the four that are out there. We're
Speaker 7: talking about efficacy of seven glue Tide, which is a
Speaker 7: little bit lower than those two. But as far as
Speaker 7: you know patients that don't want to get in les
Speaker 7: and want the routine of a daily pill, it seems
Speaker 7: like a good answer.
Speaker 1: I've also heard too, and you know, we talked about
Speaker 1: the plateau effect. You're going to lose fifteen percent and
Speaker 1: then then for whatever reason, that's about it right there.
Speaker 1: The other element that would be to okay, well, I
Speaker 1: got to find something else to do if I want
Speaker 1: to continuate. But I also heard that like once you
Speaker 1: once you're on it, you can't stop because you'll put
Speaker 1: the weight back on.
Speaker 3: Is that true?
Speaker 7: It's very true because you're so again we're talking about
Speaker 7: our our body's set points, so our body, you know,
Speaker 7: patients are built differently. We have to stop like criminalizing obesity.
Speaker 7: It's it's you know, it's a medical problem. And the
Speaker 7: more we see it that way, like it's blood pressure
Speaker 7: or diabetes, obesity is going to fall into that category.
Speaker 7: And you know, our bodies have set points, and so
Speaker 7: you know your your set point may be you know,
Speaker 7: well it's not clearly, but some patients set points are like,
Speaker 7: you know, two hundred and fifty pounds when they should
Speaker 7: be one hundred and fifty, and so you know they
Speaker 7: might get down to one fifty. But with the medicines,
Speaker 7: you come off and you'll gain that weight back considering
Speaker 7: assuming you haven't changed anything else about yourself. And the
Speaker 7: interesting thing about weight gain back is that it's about
Speaker 7: four times faster than if you've done it with diet
Speaker 7: and exercise alone, and so that's why it's getting kind
Speaker 7: of a bad name. But it's like, you know how
Speaker 7: many patients get off their statu medicines, their blood pressure medicines.
Speaker 7: You stay on those most of the time for life. Now,
Speaker 7: diet modifications may change that, but you know, you can
Speaker 7: assume that if you're going to start this medicine, it's
Speaker 7: not like you're addicted to it, but you know your
Speaker 7: body might need it, and so you're probably going to
Speaker 7: be on it for life unless we have a change
Speaker 7: in how we're going.
Speaker 1: Is the angel thing is like, okay, we try this thing, Hey, great,
Speaker 1: a loss this weight and then you just you go
Speaker 1: back to the habits that got you there in the
Speaker 1: first place. Yeah, it's part.
Speaker 7: It's the habits, it's the way your brain works, it's
Speaker 7: the way your body is set to function a lot
Speaker 7: of the times. And again it goes back to those
Speaker 7: four types of obesity. What's really driving it? Now, if
Speaker 7: you've solved the emotional leading component, great, you might stay
Speaker 7: there where you are forever. But for people with the
Speaker 7: slow burned specifically, or if you know, if you haven't
Speaker 7: gotten right issues, then you know, there's a greater chance
Speaker 7: that you'll.
Speaker 1: Go back to where you work. Okay, makes sense. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like and people say, well, lot, why don't
Speaker 1: you change your habit? You should. It's kind of I
Speaker 1: guess it's a kin to hear this in societies, Like
Speaker 1: someone goes to prison. I'm like, I'm never gonna do
Speaker 1: that again. But you go back to the environment that
Speaker 1: created that, absolutely right, same thing. So it's about changing
Speaker 1: lifestyle and that's you know again. Protein intake is one
Speaker 1: of the most important things. A lot of people talk
Speaker 1: about the weight loss and how much protein you lose.
Speaker 1: This is another cool thing or important thing to know
Speaker 1: is that you know, people say there's so much muscle
Speaker 1: loss when you're on a GLP one. The fact is
Speaker 1: is that you lose the same percentage of fat and
Speaker 1: muscle as you would if you were doing diet and
Speaker 1: exercise alone. It's just that it's such a rapid loss
Speaker 1: that patients when they're on GLP ones. If you get
Speaker 1: on a GLP one, keeping your protein intake up and
Speaker 1: straight strength training are the two of the most important
Speaker 1: things you can do so that you keep that protein
Speaker 1: on board and you don't just lose all your muscle mass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eating and working out and growing that muscle tissue is
Speaker 1: going to you're gonna need more protein, which is good exactly,
Speaker 1: less fat, more protein. The guys who really love glps,
Speaker 1: I think are the plastics guys, because I know there's
Speaker 1: that that face thing. What's that called?
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that is just because of the rapid weight
Speaker 7: loss or our bodies aren't used to losing weight that quickly,
Speaker 7: but that's what we're seeing with that, and it does
Speaker 7: kind of settle out. But it's especially in the in
Speaker 7: the early phases.
Speaker 1: Well, more people getting on it, that's for sure, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad thing. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: it's cheating. What what exactly is cheating about it? Okay,
Speaker 1: you're you go to the story, you go to Kroger
Speaker 1: and buy your food. Are you out farming and raising
Speaker 1: your own vel? No, that's cheating then, using that stupid
Speaker 1: old logic. Yeah, it's definitely. You know, there was a
Speaker 1: stigma for me before and how I saw it. In fact,
Speaker 1: I would see patients come into the ED a lot
Speaker 1: with g I complaints so nausea, vomiting, their their stomach
Speaker 1: was a little paralyzed so it was really full, and
Speaker 1: they were having pain or even diarrhea. And I was like,
Speaker 1: these medicines are bad, you know, and and our automatic
Speaker 1: inclination is the thing black. Yeah, but their physicians too,
Speaker 1: that's even more.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm seeing people patients on the back end,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, this shouldn't be happening to you. But
Speaker 7: you know that that typically would happen with the really
Speaker 7: bad side effects when doses were increased suddenly or or
Speaker 7: without a physician like really making those calls and doing
Speaker 7: it gently. So got If doses were boosted suddenly, you
Speaker 7: see a lot more of those side effects, all.
Speaker 1: Right, got it? Yeah, he's a sign. Jay shav Krimani
Speaker 1: E R Doc also a fitness food expert, and we
Speaker 1: talk about this every Thursday morning on the show. You
Speaker 1: can get him at dine Well Doc that's his handle.
Speaker 1: We'll talk next week. Thanks again, it great appreciated. Let
Speaker 1: me do a news update here in just minutes win
Speaker 1: a return. Something you need to know in the AI front.
Speaker 1: There's a new version of AI that's come out that
Speaker 1: is going to cause you a lot of concern and
Speaker 1: maybe behind that recent Verizon att shutdown we had. I'll
Speaker 1: explain next seven hundred w dow cincenati. It's allow me
Speaker 1: back on seven hundred WLW. So we're all up in AI, right,
Speaker 1: got AI? I used flawed? Maybe you chat GPT. There's
Speaker 1: other ones out there. It seems like new ones are
Speaker 1: coming online every day. There's a new evolution of this.
Speaker 1: It's called claude Bot, not clu ade. This is claude
Speaker 1: A is an you know, tiger claus c l a
Speaker 1: w D bot and it's something called an AGI AI agent.
Speaker 1: What the hell does that mean? So right now, AI,
Speaker 1: you go in and you you know, type something in
Speaker 1: and give me a answer a question for me, or
Speaker 1: take this data and make sense of it for me,
Speaker 1: or collate this, or you know, you can ask questions,
Speaker 1: do research, whatever it might be. This takes it the
Speaker 1: next step, which is actually performing tasks on computer. So
Speaker 1: it sort of writes code, it autonomously performs tasks on computers.
Speaker 1: It's like having a digital virtual assistant then can do
Speaker 1: things rather than just simply ask their question. It sounds cool,
Speaker 1: right except for this. Except for this, hackers, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be blown away what you learn here. Chris Niheist
Speaker 1: is on the show. He's the CEO of Cincinnati based
Speaker 1: Advent cyber Security. Chris, welcome, are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Scott, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Sure.
Speaker 1: So this is I guess the next step in AI.
Speaker 1: You know, instead of answering questions and you know, do
Speaker 1: data research stuff like that. This this is the next step.
Speaker 1: It's actually doing stuff out of you could be automating
Speaker 1: tasks like what what what?
Speaker 9: Give me an example, so you know, people are using
Speaker 9: it to do things like, uh, schedule an appointment, or
Speaker 9: reply to an email or clean up clean up a
Speaker 9: file folder?
Speaker 1: All right, pretty simple? Boring self. That's like, hey, great job,
Speaker 1: it's my digital assistant, So let's put let's let's put
Speaker 1: this in the context here. Anytime you have something that's
Speaker 1: being used for good, someone will find a way to
Speaker 1: use it for bad. Uh So the the opposite side
Speaker 1: of that is what.
Speaker 9: So the opposite side of that is, you know when
Speaker 9: you when you set up these things, you give it
Speaker 9: access to your calendar, or to your email, or to Twitter,
Speaker 9: or to WhatsApp, whatever, your phone book, your files. These
Speaker 9: things run with the same access that you logged in with,
Speaker 9: which is full access. Right, you have blocks of to
Speaker 9: your things. And so these agents, you know, they they
Speaker 9: they're built to perceive, they're built to reason, they're built
Speaker 9: to have tools. But they're also built to be autonomous,
Speaker 9: which means now you just gave something complete access to
Speaker 9: all your things that now can run autonomously. And if
Speaker 9: a hacker can take over that, guess what, they now
Speaker 9: can run autonomously as you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the problem is you know, you're not an
Speaker 1: expert in code, and you're not going to see what's
Speaker 1: in there. But now it is. Oh not is only
Speaker 1: doing the work for you, but it's also taking all
Speaker 1: your information, everything in your computer, everything in the cloud
Speaker 1: that's storted into your name and using that for god
Speaker 1: knows what.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and doing anything right in some of these cases.
Speaker 9: Now with Claudbot, and it just got renamed from mold
Speaker 9: Spot literally like the last twenty four hours because Claude,
Speaker 9: which is a m under Anthropics, the company Anthropic, they
Speaker 9: didn't love the fact that it was named Claude Loot
Speaker 9: too similar, so they forced them to change their name.
Speaker 3: But this what Claudbot did was, you.
Speaker 9: Know, two weeks ago you had to program your own agents,
Speaker 9: you had to build your own agents. You had to
Speaker 9: and there are some companies out there that were offering them,
Speaker 9: but nowhere near as easy to adopt as claud Blot did.
Speaker 9: And so a claudbut did was just made it to
Speaker 9: where you can literally download it to a Macnini, or
Speaker 9: you can up you can go out to a a
Speaker 9: service called Virtual Private Service where you can buy a
Speaker 9: server for five dollars a month and you can just
Speaker 9: literally install it with a command line and all of
Speaker 9: a sudden it pops up with a prompts and you
Speaker 9: give it use your name some passwords in a way
Speaker 9: it goes This seems like.
Speaker 1: A major cybersecurity story where where you know it's the
Speaker 1: intersection of AI user experience and relying on AI to
Speaker 1: do stuff for us, but also malicious exploitation all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, this is a huge story, oh.
Speaker 9: Huge short and what's really happened in the last literally
Speaker 9: the last five days, is all of these people in
Speaker 9: their homes, at work, wherever just went.
Speaker 3: And install this.
Speaker 9: And what it does is it ends up creating this
Speaker 9: connection back into these systems, right, And so what hacker's
Speaker 9: been doing in security researches as well is just scanning
Speaker 9: the Internet and you can see where these things are
Speaker 9: and in a lot of cases almost most of them,
Speaker 9: people have just installed them at default and they have
Speaker 9: the default passwords, so you can literally access someone's system
Speaker 9: that has full access to everything they have, and you
Speaker 9: can read all their documents, all their chat history.
Speaker 3: People have uploaded and connected.
Speaker 9: To Apple accounts, so you have accessed to their entire
Speaker 9: history of pictures and documents and even worse companies. You know,
Speaker 9: people at companies are thinking, oh, man, I can have
Speaker 9: this thing to do my job. So if they've gone
Speaker 9: out installed this and connected it to their corporate email addresses,
Speaker 9: if you're an email account and MFA and so now
Speaker 9: you know, I think what we're going to see is
Speaker 9: just this last week of just really fast adoption. You're
Speaker 9: going to see the aftermath of this for quite some time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's interesting too, because you look at this,
Speaker 1: go okay, let's AI and you know, we're a little
Speaker 1: cautious and layer we're not quite sure how it works
Speaker 1: or why it works. If you're a small business person
Speaker 1: and you're using I don't know, claude bot or whatever
Speaker 1: it might be to do work for you, now you're going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what did I just download? You have
Speaker 1: no idea. It's maybe not the big players in the
Speaker 1: world because they have expensive, exhaustive IT teams and cybersecurity teams,
Speaker 1: but if you're a small or medium sized operator, you
Speaker 1: probably don't. And this this sercial exposure there for you
Speaker 1: to your data, your information and everything else. Are we
Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to be a while before we
Speaker 1: see massive data breaks sor why are we al ready?
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about the yeah Verizon, the
Speaker 1: Verizon outage, and we had chatted and you know, we think, okay, well,
Speaker 1: what happened. I don't know, somebody tripped over something. It's infrastructure.
Speaker 1: It happens, is a guy behind.
Speaker 9: That You know, you know, it hasn't been released what
Speaker 9: really happened there. I think a lot of times what
Speaker 9: organizations are doing is they're trying to automate and not
Speaker 9: simprized and did this. But you do see this in
Speaker 9: a lot of organizations where they're now automating their operations.
Speaker 9: And so what happens is, you know, something triggers am
Speaker 9: AI might autonomously make a decision.
Speaker 3: Is it's not exactly predictable.
Speaker 9: I would say it's actually dramatically not predictable, and and
Speaker 9: so it makes a decision, triggers a response, and it
Speaker 9: can take things down. So you know, in some of
Speaker 9: these outages that we see, I think it's very highly
Speaker 9: possible to assume that there's some AI triggering inside of that,
Speaker 9: you know, which is same thing here. It's like, you know,
Speaker 9: you're uh, there's a good example one of the uh there.
Speaker 3: Was a gentleman that you know.
Speaker 9: Connected his claud bought up to his open table account
Speaker 9: acted just send it a text, Hey, I want a
Speaker 9: reservation for this organization for this restaurant. It reached out
Speaker 9: to open table. Open Table's website was down because it
Speaker 9: had a connection to other things he has. It actually
Speaker 9: called the restaurant, had a conversation with the restaurant, and
Speaker 9: then scheduled the reservation for him. Wow, that's where you know,
Speaker 9: that autonomous part of AI agents gets pretty scary because
Speaker 9: it's literally operating autonomously based on what it knows and
Speaker 9: what it's learned and how it's in programmed, and it
Speaker 9: may or may not actually do what you wanted to do.
Speaker 9: It could do and the outcome could be the same,
Speaker 9: but it literally could release all your information on the
Speaker 9: Internet to try to figure out how to make you
Speaker 9: an appointment, because it just wants to please you, right
Speaker 9: and get your apployment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting with you know, when now we see
Speaker 1: critical infrastructure go down, you wonder, okay, is AI behind it?
Speaker 1: Because it makes sense Chris, is that you know Claude
Speaker 1: bot as you're talking about that we're going to farm
Speaker 1: these things out. It's not just hey, you know, do
Speaker 1: some research for me on this and I'll put the
Speaker 1: I'll write the code. Now it's doing it itself. And
Speaker 1: you know, if we're the point now where you're making
Speaker 1: restaurant reservation, the person on the other end is probably
Speaker 1: also AI. And so we have these two IAI agents
Speaker 1: talking to each other like human beings. That's crazy. But
Speaker 1: now if we have big companies like Verizon eighteen, TM whatever,
Speaker 1: and like you said, we don't know, but it makes
Speaker 1: sense that they would be using the same thing to
Speaker 1: expand their infrastructure to work. And the only problem with
Speaker 1: that is AI is still imperfect. That's still in the
Speaker 1: formative stages.
Speaker 3: It is, yeah, it really is.
Speaker 9: And then you know, if you have this issue of
Speaker 9: people using technology putting on their systems giving access to
Speaker 9: all their things, hackers can take over and get access
Speaker 9: all those things. But let's just say for a second
Speaker 9: it was all secure and it was fine. Where most
Speaker 9: of these people. Most people are connecting these agents to
Speaker 9: our free versions of the language models out there.
Speaker 3: So if you connect to a free.
Speaker 9: Version of a language model, and that language model allows
Speaker 9: for you know, group learning, which means that with AI
Speaker 9: you can purchase private learning, which basically means you can
Speaker 9: upload your documents there.
Speaker 3: It won't use it to learn for you know, for
Speaker 3: the global public.
Speaker 9: Right, So if you go out and search in chat
Speaker 9: Gypt or Claude, you're not going to see answers that
Speaker 9: are related to my data. However, if you use a
Speaker 9: cheaper version of these or subscription to these. Your data
Speaker 9: is used to learn for everybody, right, which means if
Speaker 9: you upload a document with claude or claude bot or whatever,
Speaker 9: then those documents, even though they're private, they just did
Speaker 9: something for you. Now they're in the open domain and
Speaker 9: they're being learned from. And this just happened actually literally
Speaker 9: the last seventeen hours. This came out where the acting
Speaker 9: director of SISA, so Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency in the
Speaker 9: United States back over the summer.
Speaker 3: It's accessing chat.
Speaker 9: GPT and uploaded some top secret documents to it that
Speaker 9: then went into the public domain and now CHATCHPT learned
Speaker 9: off of it. So you know, when you're dealing with AI,
Speaker 9: you have to be thinking about are the applications I'm
Speaker 9: using secure?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Am I connecting it to things that I that I
Speaker 3: would be okay with it being autonomous in And then third,
Speaker 3: where's my data going and what's it being usedful?
Speaker 1: Chris n I heis is here. He's the CEO of
Speaker 1: Cincinnati based Event Cybersecurity. It's called claude Bot c l
Speaker 1: a w D and it basically what it does instead
Speaker 1: of just you know, taking information you input on there
Speaker 1: or images or whatever it might be, and coming up
Speaker 1: with solutions for you. It autonomously performs tasks on computers,
Speaker 1: like you know, cleaning up files or whatever it might be.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And now we found out that you know, that can
Speaker 1: that information can be exploited, that there's hacks involved in
Speaker 1: that too, and that information now is being used for
Speaker 1: nefarious purposes. You know, we think of things like and
Speaker 1: just as example but not true would be the Verizon
Speaker 1: shutdown where we had to go down because maybe you know,
Speaker 1: that was probably done by AI. And so we're going
Speaker 1: to see probably a lot more of those occurrences happen
Speaker 1: as companies lean in more to AI and lean into
Speaker 1: things like claude Bot, where they're not just automating research,
Speaker 1: they're having it performed functions on computers, and that jeopardizes
Speaker 1: the whole system. I wonder too, Chris. Then when it
Speaker 1: comes to scale, like governments, for example, I thought private
Speaker 1: business is one thing, Verison, but I'm sure our government
Speaker 1: is going, Hey, listen, we're trying to do more with
Speaker 1: less like everybody else, we employ some of these things.
Speaker 1: Now you have public information, we have you know, readions
Speaker 1: of data from the local FEDS and states, that could
Speaker 1: compromise things like security and our critical infrastructure even more.
Speaker 9: Right, absolutely, absolutely, And that's that's that's the crust, right,
Speaker 9: is that the way in which we governed data before
Speaker 9: was a lot more close to the chests, right, Yeah,
Speaker 9: Now that we're needing to train models with it and
Speaker 9: learn with it, even if it's a private AI platform,
Speaker 9: you have to realize is that that now that now
Speaker 9: system is learning and the access to that system is
Speaker 9: really important because if you've taught it something, it could
Speaker 9: infer or respond to someone else with less access than
Speaker 9: you information about what it learned, right, And and so
Speaker 9: governing that data. The EU just you know, the last
Speaker 9: last three weeks just released a you know that they're
Speaker 9: coming out with some significant AI governance language because it
Speaker 9: is it is moving so fast, I mean literally, I
Speaker 9: mean well, one of the biggest things is that's trending
Speaker 9: on Twitter right now is plodbox, and every day gets
Speaker 9: bigger because people are just excited, I think, to use
Speaker 9: AI to generate tasks that are mundane for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that makes done the right way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But there's no way around this. This
Speaker 1: is part of the learning experience. This is part of
Speaker 1: the going to happen. Yeah, it has to to happen,
Speaker 1: is you know, like when the Right Brothers are fly
Speaker 1: planes that fall out of the sky all the time. Now,
Speaker 1: not so much because while the technology got better, that's
Speaker 1: nothing new.
Speaker 3: And be awesome eventually, but it's going to be a
Speaker 3: rocky ride for a little while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of information will be exposed as well.
Speaker 1: I just wondered from a government perspective, you know how
Speaker 1: much of this information falls on the wrong hands, because
Speaker 1: I'd imagine right now, the you know, the Chinese, Iranians
Speaker 1: and Russians are salivating at us.
Speaker 3: Oh, they totally are. I mean, but but look at
Speaker 3: that story.
Speaker 9: I mean we have, you know, the acting director of FISA, right,
Speaker 9: you know, uploaded documents accidentally to JTGPT to a public instance,
Speaker 9: and so you have this major human errors. People are
Speaker 9: are starting to become used to using this and they're
Speaker 9: just putting things all over place. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 9: our adversaries are absolutely salivating. You know, I would say
Speaker 9: we are too, because they're probably making some of those
Speaker 9: things they count In those countries they're a lot more governed,
Speaker 9: so you know, in China they govern the internet pretty heavily.
Speaker 9: Russia they do the same thing, and so because they
Speaker 9: have state control, there's a lot less disclosure that takes place,
Speaker 9: you know, here in the United States where the wild
Speaker 9: West for a lot of good reasons, right, but those
Speaker 9: those good reasons also can be taken you know, neferiously
Speaker 9: by our by our aver shares, and so we just
Speaker 9: have to make sure, you know, in our businesses and
Speaker 9: our homes, just realize that there is a thread out there.
Speaker 9: They are evil and they do want to come after you,
Speaker 9: and they do want to get your information and do
Speaker 9: do things right. But even like you said, like there's
Speaker 9: a lot of automation and we've talked about water districts before.
Speaker 9: You know, you'll have three people running a water district
Speaker 9: now because most of it's automated, you know, and across
Speaker 9: the board. So you know, they don't want to have
Speaker 9: someone overnight, so they have automated for mediation for things.
Speaker 9: And you know, we just have to be really wise
Speaker 9: as we accelerate into the AI world and the automation
Speaker 9: world that we do things in a very methodical way
Speaker 9: to make sure that you know, our entire lifestyle can
Speaker 9: be taken down overnight.
Speaker 1: Christmas Big companies out there. I mean these are the
Speaker 1: publicly traded ones or sizeable ones. I mean I could
Speaker 1: think of like P and G and Fifth Third and
Speaker 1: all sorts of companies like that that have their proprietary
Speaker 1: corporate AI infrastructure. Meaning it's it's I don't know much
Speaker 1: about that. We don't have a lot. We're working on it,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure it's full of portion. But is
Speaker 1: that outside is it almost firewall from the rest of
Speaker 1: the AI universe that that information can't get outside of
Speaker 1: the sphere of what it's being used in.
Speaker 3: I mean in some companies, yeah, and some companies it's not.
Speaker 9: I mean they you know, it's you know, I haven't
Speaker 9: seen you know, their specific ones, the ones the companies
Speaker 9: you've spoken about. But yeah, I mean, if someone could
Speaker 9: get access to those those systems, they can learn anything
Speaker 9: about an organization really, and you know, to get access
Speaker 9: to those it's not that hard. H you know, people
Speaker 9: hacking the individual computer systems all the time. That's how
Speaker 9: ransomware gets delivered. So just to get on a system
Speaker 9: that someone has and then access that AI system, you
Speaker 9: would you it would be easy to go through those systems. Now,
Speaker 9: the thing I will say is when you look at
Speaker 9: companies that are adopting AI, uh, what we're seeing is
Speaker 9: that you know, their their realization of the return on
Speaker 9: their investment is it's hard to identify because you know,
Speaker 9: it's really more broadly uh distributed. And the thing we
Speaker 9: always tell people, companies, individuals, et cetera, is when you
Speaker 9: start working AI, really start with one problem, like what's
Speaker 9: the problem you're trying to solve? What does that efficiency
Speaker 9: look like to you? And doesn't make sense to do
Speaker 9: that right? And then once you do that, you can
Speaker 9: start to identify. As you roll A out in your organization,
Speaker 9: you know how it actually is benefiting you organizationally, and
Speaker 9: if you don't do it that way, it's you really
Speaker 9: can't track it. And and in fact, if you roll
Speaker 9: it out too broad, well, now you have more people
Speaker 9: that are not you know, I would say not necessarily
Speaker 9: the strategic leaders of an organization teaching the AI about
Speaker 9: the organization, and then that comes back and help has
Speaker 9: everyone go in that direction, right, right?
Speaker 3: That is to be careful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and as it grows there's going to be
Speaker 1: pitfalls and dangers. Doesn't mean you know, we should say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to stop a because there's people out there
Speaker 1: that say that, but we're not going to at this point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, no, no where to use it for sure.
Speaker 1: You should. Yeah, be careful though. Now we've got claud bought.
Speaker 1: You got to worry about that. And you know actors
Speaker 1: are going to get inside that too as well. Really
Speaker 1: eye opening stuff. Chris, thanks again for the time. I
Speaker 1: appreciate Chris, and I heis CEE over at the Advent
Speaker 1: Cybersecurity here in Cincinnati. Be well, have a great one.
Speaker 1: A news update momentarily here on the big one seven
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Speaker 1: little real estate and cold stuff just ahead here seven
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Speaker 8: Take a look at your watch. It's Real Estate Time
Speaker 8: with Michelle Sloane EMAX, time agent extraordinaire from Sloan Sellshomes
Speaker 8: dot com. Now pay attention, then take notes. There might
Speaker 8: be a pop quiz at the end on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: Good morning, How are you dear?
Speaker 10: Hey, good morning, it's almost good afternoon.
Speaker 1: Nothing gets past you. Matt Locke, I know, right, sharp
Speaker 1: as a cue ball. Anyway, Um, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: was thinking driving in this morning and it was minus
Speaker 1: six or nine or what got whatever it were there
Speaker 1: is and it's just cold, right is I am? I
Speaker 1: am loth to see how much the electric bill is
Speaker 1: the Duke energy bills. Everyone's probably gonna curse Duke in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks when that bill comes out. You
Speaker 1: let cringe out to look at it.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, middle middle of Ebuary.
Speaker 1: Couple. It was ugly last time, and a cold snap
Speaker 1: wasn't this long?
Speaker 11: That's true.
Speaker 10: Yeah, this one is going to be even uglier. So
Speaker 10: for the folks who yeah, I had a stroke when
Speaker 10: they opened their Duke bill in January from our Friday
Speaker 10: for December freeze. Yeah, it's gonna it's going to be worse, definitely.
Speaker 1: We covered this last week.
Speaker 10: That may lead a lot of people to think about
Speaker 10: selling their house because they want to get out.
Speaker 2: From under that.
Speaker 1: Well, you're still gonna have to pay for utilities, doesn't
Speaker 1: really Where were you going to move to a place
Speaker 1: where you don't use utilities? I don't know where where
Speaker 1: that would you know you did that?
Speaker 10: Or this is here? Here's here's the thread, right right,
Speaker 10: they're going to think about modeling and getting some energy
Speaker 10: efficiency going in the house.
Speaker 11: How about that?
Speaker 1: How about that? There you go? Yeah, yeah, the USA
Speaker 1: insulation guys, et cetera. Are probably killing or right now.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I got to do something here
Speaker 1: because this is just absurd. And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: blame you, and you can make that house pretty tight
Speaker 1: these days new windows. Insulation depends how much money you
Speaker 1: want to spend to make your house energy tight, for sure,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people you're spending so much sim
Speaker 1: inside you're probably looking around going okay, this is tired.
Speaker 1: I need to do this that and the other thing.
Speaker 1: You know, people who are doing kitchen remodels and bathroom
Speaker 1: models and everything else right now, and simply because they're
Speaker 1: you're staying in place. I know, you know, I got
Speaker 1: extra time now because you're not doing anything outside doing
Speaker 1: work in our newer place, new house, and you know,
Speaker 1: just you know, getting stuff together. And it's amazing too.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people, like the people who
Speaker 1: live there before us. I keep finding stuff of theirs,
Speaker 1: like socks, and I was checking the sum pump to
Speaker 1: make sure that you know, once all the stuff melts,
Speaker 1: that the battery and it is okay, because we've got
Speaker 1: to finish basement. And you know, I think I found
Speaker 1: a fur bone in the some pomp. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if the people before sir Axe murders, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I think it was a human fever. I think it was.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I gave it to that. I gave
Speaker 1: it to the dog. He's the dog's happy. Run my blue.
Speaker 1: I don't need my human bone. I an't na my foot.
Speaker 11: He was a little gang. Yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 11: that was all about.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's a don't know it's a person. That
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's a Bone's a bone to a dog,
Speaker 1: not a person.
Speaker 11: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Wait, you had bones and your some pump. Oh stop,
Speaker 1: we're going to have to disclose that. No, no, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. It's a crime to say.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 1: Now people are like, where are you? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: found it. Yeah, that's that's right. A lot of femurs
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah, all right, let's talk. We are talking
Speaker 1: about remodeling. Is that kind of the lead in?
Speaker 10: Yeah, we're talking about reminding. Actually, you know, over fifty
Speaker 10: percent of people dread this topic of remodeling, not only
Speaker 10: because of the financial aspect, but I just don't know
Speaker 10: what to do because there's so many things because once
Speaker 10: you start one project, it sort of leads to the next,
Speaker 10: into the next and to the next. And we've had
Speaker 10: this our whole lives where you know, we start with
Speaker 10: the living room and slowly we're doing the flooring. It's like, well,
Speaker 10: we're going to do the flooring here, we should do
Speaker 10: the flooring on the whole first floor, and then you know,
Speaker 10: it just goes on and on and on, and that's
Speaker 10: kind of part of it and making a decision on
Speaker 10: what you want to do, what's going to be the
Speaker 10: best investment or return on that investment?
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 10: The first thing is, and this has been for the
Speaker 10: twenty years I've been in the business, and I always
Speaker 10: find it somewhat fascinating, but a new steel front door
Speaker 10: will get you one hundred percent back on that investment.
Speaker 10: So a new front door, so that talks to a
Speaker 10: little bit.
Speaker 11: The curve appeal, right yep.
Speaker 10: But also energy efficiency, yeah, no question, that's definitely going
Speaker 10: to be part of that.
Speaker 1: Why steel does it? Do you get less if it's fiberglass?
Speaker 10: Well, I don't know, it's new steel front door.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the steel or fiberglass is pretty good.
Speaker 1: I don't know. People some people are like, oh I
Speaker 1: love wood. What is that's work? You gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: put saying on it every couple of years and it's
Speaker 1: a whole you know, I mean if sun's hitting it
Speaker 1: directly most houses are then you know, if you got
Speaker 1: a little covered area and maybe the sun doesn't hit it, sure,
Speaker 1: but man, that's if it takes. Man, they're beautiful, but
Speaker 1: it takes some work.
Speaker 10: But it does, and we do tend to have depending
Speaker 10: on which way you're house facing. If you have a
Speaker 10: wood door, it'll it'll deteriorate pretty quickly, even if you
Speaker 10: spent thousands of dollars on it. The most popular this
Speaker 10: is this is just a little quick add on. People
Speaker 10: say what color should I paint my front door? The
Speaker 10: most popular front door colors are black, which you know,
Speaker 10: honestly is like lava because it can so hot, right, red, white,
Speaker 10: blue and it.
Speaker 1: Eleven Sure what about pink?
Speaker 11: No, it's not on my.
Speaker 10: List, although red and burgundy will always turn to pink.
Speaker 10: And that looks like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've seen shutters that are pink.
Speaker 11: You know, I hate that.
Speaker 1: Terracotta anymore, but more like a pink. Yeah, you're like
Speaker 1: a flamingo pink right right, really was all right? What else?
Speaker 10: Another one of the remodeling projects, and this is something
Speaker 10: you can do this time of year, is a closet renovation.
Speaker 10: So even just removing everything from your closet and you know,
Speaker 10: taking down all the shelves, giving it a really good
Speaker 10: pay job, and then putting something up that makes more sense.
Speaker 10: There's a lot of different closet organization type products at
Speaker 10: the big box stores and everywhere that I think you
Speaker 10: would even say, are not that difficult to put together
Speaker 10: and put up?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I'll be honestly, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of after market products that you can buy. I'll be
Speaker 1: on I think not to plug them or anything, but minards.
Speaker 1: You can get really good closet systems there that you
Speaker 1: put together. It's really easy. You don't have to have
Speaker 1: big carpenter skills to do that. You do to hang
Speaker 1: them and everything, but the quality the building is quite good.
Speaker 1: If you're looking for that custom built in type of
Speaker 1: thing without the price in your handy, you definitely could
Speaker 1: pull that one off. Or you know, I mean if
Speaker 1: you just sailed closet rod. The wire shelf systems are
Speaker 1: pretty good too. You can get those in any big
Speaker 1: box retailer. And you know, it depends how much money want.
Speaker 1: It depends not like what your budget is and how
Speaker 1: much space you have. But those things have come a
Speaker 1: long way as well.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 10: And if we're you know, we just did this because
Speaker 10: we just recently moved. But even just going through your
Speaker 10: closet and getting rid of donating whatever, I mean, there's
Speaker 10: so much that we cram into our closet that we
Speaker 10: don't use or don't need, or that you know, I've
Speaker 10: the number of items that I found in the back
Speaker 10: of my closet just waiting for me to lose that
Speaker 10: extra ten pounds.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, right, right.
Speaker 10: At this point, it gave it up. They're all gone,
Speaker 10: ol Bro, no choice now, Yeah, yeah, I hear about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, exactly.
Speaker 10: Just buy something that's fine, it's fine. Oh I did
Speaker 10: find Oh here it is. Here's your fiberglass fiberglass front door.
Speaker 10: I just found it on my list and you probably
Speaker 10: already saw it because I gave you my list in advance.
Speaker 10: The steels or is one hundred percent return on investment.
Speaker 10: The fiberglass door is only eighty percent.
Speaker 11: That's still pretty good.
Speaker 1: Why would that be? I don't know I don't make
Speaker 1: the list.
Speaker 10: This is from the National Association of remark.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got you, I got you. Remind whatever. Fiberglass
Speaker 1: front door Okay.
Speaker 10: Still still one thing that most people don't understand when
Speaker 10: I go to visit them and they and I asked
Speaker 10: for it every time, is give me a list of
Speaker 10: all of the things that you've done in your home
Speaker 10: over the last ten years.
Speaker 11: Put a price on it.
Speaker 10: How much would you pay for your new countershop, how
Speaker 10: much do you say for the new flooring, the door, whatever?
Speaker 10: And they give me that whole list, and they're like, well,
Speaker 10: we'll get all that money back, right like you'll You'll
Speaker 10: get a percentage of it back, but not all of it.
Speaker 10: So that's again, that's where that anxiety comes in, because
Speaker 10: you know, I'm gonna spend twenty thousand dollars on new flooring.
Speaker 10: Maybe if you're gonna do hardwood or something right that
Speaker 10: is really high end. A high end floor will last
Speaker 10: a really long time, so it will outlast.
Speaker 2: You for sure.
Speaker 10: Now, if you already have hardwood floors and you get
Speaker 10: them refinished again, that's you're gonna get those. If you
Speaker 10: buy a home with hardwood floors, real hardwood floors, and
Speaker 10: they're not in the best shape. I would say buy
Speaker 10: that house and don't worry about it, because you know,
Speaker 10: if you have kids, if you have dogs, whatever, it's
Speaker 10: gonna get beat up even more. And at some point
Speaker 10: you can have them refinished. They're gonna look brand new.
Speaker 1: And cut a.
Speaker 10: You didn't spend nearly as much money as you did
Speaker 10: putting in brand new hardwood floors.
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense. Yeah yeah, and you get nice
Speaker 1: hardwood floors, you know, you want to preserve them. We
Speaker 1: have lovely the books before so had the houses. Floors
Speaker 1: are gorgeous in there, so yeah murder yeah yeah right, well,
Speaker 1: I mean again, great taste and wonderful. You know, quality
Speaker 1: is of the flooring is great. I mean, so you
Speaker 1: got to look the other way. If you find us
Speaker 1: skull somewhere, it's no big deal. Uh. My wife Michelle
Speaker 1: Sloan here on the show talking about remodeling projects to
Speaker 1: give you the most resale bang for the buck. Front
Speaker 1: doors obviously, what about windows?
Speaker 10: Windows are great, Yes, vinyl windows. You're going to get
Speaker 10: actually a little bit more return on your investment on
Speaker 10: vinyl windows as opposed to wood. Same kind of thing
Speaker 10: as we talked about on the front door. Wood takes
Speaker 10: the maintenance. And you know, there are some new products
Speaker 10: that have wood on the inside and vinyl on the outside,
Speaker 10: so it's less maintenance because it's in the outside and
Speaker 10: in the weather and all that. And so those that
Speaker 10: product I think is.
Speaker 11: If you can afford it, that would be the way
Speaker 11: to go.
Speaker 1: But you know that's been around for a while. That
Speaker 1: technology has been around for a long time a while,
Speaker 1: a couple of decades. But yeah, if you want that,
Speaker 1: you know, the wood inside kind of look which doesn't
Speaker 1: take much maintenance all or no maintenance at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I've seen some of the fiberglass products
Speaker 1: now again back to fiberglass, you know they look great, so.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, and talk about energy efficiency. I know in our
Speaker 10: old house when we replaced the windows, there was a
Speaker 10: dramatic difference of the energy bills before and after. So
Speaker 10: everything has a life, a shelf life. And so if
Speaker 10: you have windows that are thirty years old, you know
Speaker 10: they're getting to the point where maybe you have broken seals,
Speaker 10: maybe you haven't been really good about talking around them,
Speaker 10: and yeah, making sure that they're air tight, and so
Speaker 10: looking at that as an investment in your home and
Speaker 10: the value of your home. It's not real sexy. See,
Speaker 10: that's the thing everybody talks about. Oh, I've got a
Speaker 10: new kitchen and I sent blah blah blah, and the
Speaker 10: kitchen isn't an amazing or the bathroom. Everybody focuses on
Speaker 10: kitchens and bathrooms. And I'm not saying that that's not important,
Speaker 10: because it is. But if you do windows and a
Speaker 10: new HVAC system, you know, you get your heating and
Speaker 10: cooling system brand new, those things that goes a long way.
Speaker 10: It's not sexy, but it's really important for the value.
Speaker 3: Of your home.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we're kitchens. Nobody think, oh a kitchen.
Speaker 1: I get my money back at a kitchen. Get your
Speaker 1: money back on a kitchen.
Speaker 10: You know, kitchens are very personal, so you're likely to
Speaker 10: get about sixty percent back on that investment. And what
Speaker 10: I'm saying is, you know, understand that if you want
Speaker 10: white cabinets, not everybody wants white cabinets. If you have
Speaker 10: dark cherrywood cabinets, some people may.
Speaker 11: Not like that.
Speaker 10: So there are options, and but it is very personal.
Speaker 10: Someone may pick a countertop. Maybe when concrete countertops were
Speaker 10: you know, kind of being a cool retro what it
Speaker 10: would be urban kind of thing. But if I walked
Speaker 10: in and saw a countertop that was made out of concrete,
Speaker 10: I'd be like, not my style. So you do have
Speaker 10: to be careful and you have to be conscious of
Speaker 10: the fact that, yes, you're going to be spending money
Speaker 10: on something that makes you happy, but at the same time,
Speaker 10: will it make the next.
Speaker 11: Fire happy as well?
Speaker 10: And that's where that you know, everybody feels that a
Speaker 10: little bit of pain. And Okay, it's so hard to
Speaker 10: make a decision, but I will say making a decision
Speaker 10: over no decision is the better choice. Meaning if you're
Speaker 10: going to put it, let's say you just have laminate
Speaker 10: countertaps and they have burn holes in them and there
Speaker 10: it's bad and they're peeling and all of this stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes, make a decision.
Speaker 10: Find a granted which is the most desirable still at
Speaker 10: this point, it's it's more affordable than it ever has been,
Speaker 10: and that you can get something that's just neutral, that's
Speaker 10: gonna that someone is going to enjoy for many, many,
Speaker 10: many many years to come and you'll probably never replace it. So,
Speaker 10: you know, definitely kitchens and you can you can pick
Speaker 10: and choose what you do in a kitchen. So depending
Speaker 10: on how big the kitchen, how much your house is worth. Again,
Speaker 10: there's a lot of questions.
Speaker 11: That I will always ask, is, or at.
Speaker 10: Least try to find the answers for you. Is you know,
Speaker 10: you don't want to put a fifty thousand dollars kitchen
Speaker 10: in a house that's worth two hundred thousand dollars. The
Speaker 10: math doesn't math, so you don't want to over improve
Speaker 10: your your kitchen, or if.
Speaker 1: It's a really nice house, to go cheap on it.
Speaker 1: Either the end verse is true too.
Speaker 10: Correct well, and I've seen some really really high end
Speaker 10: homes where you know, they got to the lower level
Speaker 10: and they're like, oh my gosh, I'm tired of spending money,
Speaker 10: so I'm just gonna put laminate counters on the bar.
Speaker 10: And it's just like such a letdown because the rest
Speaker 10: of the house is amazing, and then they cheaped out
Speaker 10: it so long.
Speaker 1: I'll be honestly, yeah, I'm gonna call it, you know, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call stuff out. Uh, last year a year
Speaker 1: before homer Rama, You're you're talking like million dollar plus
Speaker 1: homes and they've got lamine in the basement. What what Yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple of million dollars a house and you're throwing
Speaker 1: I mean, come on man.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I mean to me, that was like.
Speaker 10: It was it's a slap in the base.
Speaker 1: It was just well, I you know, doing what I
Speaker 1: do in our business too, I look at it, go okay, well,
Speaker 1: if you're cutting corners of lamin it, what's behind the walls?
Speaker 1: I would run from that. I mean just you're you're
Speaker 1: talking about a you know, when you're talking to scale
Speaker 1: the size of a house like this, it's you know,
Speaker 1: sure eight thousand square feet and multiple bedrooms and you're going, wow,
Speaker 1: the lambin at the basement? Come on, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: a regular house to like you said, two three hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars house, no problem. But you're in the upwards
Speaker 1: of a million, more than a million, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a problem right there. My wife Michelle Sloane Sloane sells
Speaker 1: homes dot com open house show. That would be the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and of course a YouTube channel as well.
Speaker 1: Over at Remax time in Mainville. All right, I'll be
Speaker 1: home regular time today, get some stuff done inside the house.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll you know what I wonder if there's still
Speaker 1: a reward. What if I found in addition to the
Speaker 1: femur and the skull, what if I found Jimmy Hoffer.
Speaker 1: Is there still a reward for this?
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it is Jimmy and Mauffa's tumor. We'll find
Speaker 1: out together when I get home. Love you see it later.
Speaker 1: I got news and then Willie is on the way.
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