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Speaker 1: It's time for another edition of May in Your Faith Now,

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Speaker 1: along with College Football Immortality Glenn Mason.

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Speaker 2: Here's Dan morero.

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Speaker 3: Jax's Cafe, one of our fine sponsors. We get great

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Speaker 3: support over the years from carry Limo as well. You

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Speaker 3: can speak to what we got into at the start

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Speaker 3: of the show that has nothing to do with football.

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Speaker 3: We've had a pretty significant snow the last couple of days.

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Speaker 3: You got here, what year ninety nine? Oh no, you

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Speaker 3: don't remember what I got No, I don't remember the year.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I got here in December ninety six, ninety six,

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Speaker 3: that's right, Okay, December ninety six. So that means you've

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Speaker 3: been here almost well that's thirty years, more than thirty years,

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Speaker 3: so you've been here long enough that you can be

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Speaker 3: a judge of this. Do you believe on the basis

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Speaker 3: of your experience inces driving, walking, running, that we do

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Speaker 3: as a community as good a job now handling the roads,

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Speaker 3: you know, plowing all that kind of good stuff, salting

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Speaker 3: as we did when you first got here. Is there

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Speaker 3: any is there any discernible difference to you? Are we

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Speaker 3: getting sloppy? Are we are we resting on you know?

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Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to dodge it. But I used

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Speaker 4: to drive on the road a lot more than I drive.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was all the time. You know. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't one of those things all it's going to be bad.

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Speaker 2: I can't go.

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Speaker 4: And uh I used to say it was amazing the

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Speaker 4: job that Minnesota did with their roads because I had

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Speaker 4: to go all the time, and there wasn't really any

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Speaker 4: time that I can remember that I say, you know,

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Speaker 4: I can't make it. I gotta I gotta stop where recently?

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Speaker 4: Uh I remember last year I had a Mayo clinic appointment.

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Speaker 4: I got up in the morning and I said, I

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Speaker 4: got to go. And I got on four ninety four.

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Speaker 4: I want one exit, and I turned around and went

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Speaker 4: back because that right, I couldn't see the road. I

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Speaker 4: couldn't see anything. Wow, couldn't keep going. So if you

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Speaker 4: forced me, I'd say it was better then than it

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Speaker 4: is now.

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Speaker 3: Interesting and thought, yeah that I I think there's been

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Speaker 3: some slippers And some people said, well, my that els

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Speaker 3: might have to do with money. Is there is there

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Speaker 3: a do we spend as much? Because this stuff's not cheap? Right,

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Speaker 3: You got to get plow drivers, You've got to get

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Speaker 3: you got to Sault. All this stuff adds up.

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Speaker 2: So oh, our taxes have gone down? No, I guess

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think they have. That's why I'm still

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Speaker 3: surprised you're here. Why, Well, because I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: think you like the high taxes.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the high time.

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Speaker 3: You know what Louis you know I got a dodge.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that, mister Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of guys like that. Though. Let's

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Speaker 2: race it, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's uh, they talked a good game in Minnesota, myth,

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Speaker 3: the tradition and.

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Speaker 2: All, and then off they go, we go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's probably some truth to what you what

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Speaker 3: you say there. As I said, if you have questions

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Speaker 3: for May six four, six eighty six is the Bradshaw

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Speaker 3: name the late our first ASNAMI of this winter season,

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Speaker 3: perhaps heading into the second segment with Mace as well.

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Speaker 4: Can we go in for can I mentioned some before

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Speaker 4: for of course please, I just hate to interrupt you,

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Speaker 4: but I brought up a number of times. But Greg

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Speaker 4: Gaslinger was inducted into the National Football Fandashian Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame in Las.

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Speaker 2: Vegas, and I I think it was.

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Speaker 4: You know, you talk about a guy that was a

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Speaker 4: you know how hard it is to win the Outland

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Speaker 4: for the best Center, I mean truly great. And I

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Speaker 4: saw on social media all the pictures with all the

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Speaker 4: I got to say, again, I know guards he gets tired.

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Speaker 4: Why is his name not up in the stadium Altland

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Speaker 2: He wait a minute. And I also saw.

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Speaker 4: The dignitaries that were out there. I'm sure they took

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Speaker 4: win the Mackie Award. And I even have a bigger

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Speaker 4: beef there. Matt Spaith is not in the m Club

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame? Are you kidding me? And besides that,

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Speaker 4: Eslinger and Matt Spaith, besides being great players, you can't

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Speaker 4: find two better human beings in the world. Great students,

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Speaker 4: great citizens, unbelievable representatives of the university, and why they're

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: We're out there to Mark Senistrim, who was a great

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Speaker 4: and Kevin Solomon, one of my favorite guys.

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Speaker 2: He journeyed out there too. But Esleyer and Spaith are

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Speaker 2: not getting their fair due.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I have my theory. This is a

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Speaker 3: new theory I've been working on to explain what seems

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Speaker 3: to be the inexplicable. I think they're trolling you. I think,

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Speaker 3: for some reason, there's somebody still at the you. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it's the person who's got the TV. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: they're they're almost purposeful. I'm not defending it, the almost

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Speaker 3: less likely we're going to do it. What other explanation

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Speaker 2: Are you telling me I should keep my mouth shut?

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Speaker 3: Is that I would never want to say that, because

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Speaker 3: that does not make for as good a radio if

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Speaker 3: if we do a show in which you keep your

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Speaker 2: But I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Wondering if there's somebody or because you've been gone so long,

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Speaker 3: they don't even recognize that era anymore. That that you

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Speaker 4: I have absolutely no expert. It's it doesn't it's no

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Speaker 4: skin off of mine. It doesn't reflect me. It's it's

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Speaker 4: it's not even self serving. It would be self serving

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Speaker 3: I mentioned to the this tou off air inyanda football

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Speaker 3: And in this case, he wasn't being stupid. I don't

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Speaker 3: just to high five them. Comes down badly. We don't

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Speaker 3: out not only for the first round Indiana game, I

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Speaker 3: by the way, he wasn't even a starter at the

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Speaker 4: Sure, obviously it's devastating to that young man, but you

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Speaker 4: you know, you think as as coach Signetti, you know,

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Speaker 4: you go through winter conditioning, you go through Spring Prime,

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Speaker 4: everything to prepare your team but minimize injuries, and you

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Speaker 4: get all the way to the championship game. You win

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Speaker 4: the Big Ten championship, You're in the college football playoff.

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Speaker 4: You've succeeded with this guy, and he goes and celebrates

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Speaker 4: just a freak injury. You know, the only time I

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Speaker 4: A State was playing. It might have been the rose Ball,

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Speaker 4: if it was a pass or yeah, and he jumped

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Speaker 2: Teammate celebrated and came down and twisted his knee.

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Speaker 5: Done for the games, Crazy Gus farot head buttted the

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Speaker 5: where I think are more rippable these, I mean, if

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Speaker 3: Who was the kicker? Was it Grammatica? The kicker who

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Speaker 3: got his knee that way? For the record, Daily led

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Speaker 4: Because because in my day, there was there was hard

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Speaker 4: But you couldn't do one of these dances in the

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Speaker 4: And I don't know why they changed your mind.

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Speaker 2: But now it's not near as lenient as pro football,

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Speaker 2: but it's it's pretty.

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Speaker 3: It still is, here's no question about that. We were

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Speaker 3: on this show. You predicted an Indiana victory. So what

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Speaker 4: I'd have to say that my takeaway was that Indiana

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Speaker 4: to make a lot of mistakes.

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Speaker 2: Now I missed it.

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Speaker 4: I know they missed the short field goal, but I

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Speaker 4: thought there'd be turnovers and things like that. But what

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Speaker 4: but you look at Indiana versar O High State, and

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Speaker 4: High State's got all those five star players and four

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Speaker 2: Right now, Indiana had more yards than they did.

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Speaker 4: And with that, when you talk about how good a

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was just talking about Greg Eislinger.

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Speaker 3: earlier than you. Nicemie. Pure progress, Oh, Donaldson's brilliant on that.

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Speaker 3: Do you know why we might have named the first

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Speaker 3: It's been an It literally been two days of pure

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Speaker 3: this program, you've been out of it too long. That's

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Speaker 3: why you're not toy with the term pure progression, not

438
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Speaker 3: just pression.

439
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Speaker 4: I told you this before, but I had this quarterback

440
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Speaker 4: when I was at Kansas and uh that I got

441
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Speaker 4: out of junior college. And he was a really talented thrower.

442
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 4: And my quarterback coach always say, he doesn't know the offense.

443
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 4: He doesn't know the offense. He can't we can't play

444
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 4: we got to the offense, so we we didn't play him.

445
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 4: The first year was there, and the second year is there.

446
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 4: We're in today's quarterback coach says, she's I just don't

447
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 4: I just don't know he doesn't know the the progression,

448
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 4: the pure progression, super pre I don't know.

449
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: He didn't know any of it. So we're in the

450
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: scrimmage and all of a.

451
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 4: Sudden he throws a touchdown pass to a guy that's

452
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 4: not part of the route, and my quarterback coaches are

453
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: going to go crazy, and I say, say, come here, Mark,

454
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 4: real calmly. I said, why do you throw to him?

455
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 4: He said, he's wide open, and I thought.

456
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: I love it. That's the right answers. Throw it to

457
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 2: the wide open and the exactly b eight quarterback. That

458
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Speaker 2: year we're number nine in the country.

459
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what Here's So here's the Kurt Warner rebuttal.

460
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Speaker 3: Here's what he wrote about this. It tries to combat

461
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: disguising coverages. But just because you can build a play,

462
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 3: your quarterback can read across the field, so I mean

463
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: it's more effective, And I argue the opposite. The goal

464
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 3: is to build plays to attack areas, and quarterbacks need

465
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Speaker 3: to read those areas, not know exactly what coverage as

466
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: a team is in you give keys and read bodies,

467
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 3: that d still has to cover all the same zones

468
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Speaker 3: with the same number of people. We often over complicate

469
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: over complicate things. So there you have it. He doesn't.

470
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: He thinks it's more it's he thinks that the it

471
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily work to the to the betterment of

472
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Speaker 3: all quarterbacks. I don't know. You're the expert not me.

473
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Speaker 2: No, I'm not the expert of that. I'd like to

474
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: hear what Tom Brady. That's a good point, I would say,

475
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: because that's true in all respect to Kurt Warner.

476
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Speaker 4: I mean I always saw when I watched Tom Brady

477
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Speaker 4: a lot of time, he knew what the defense was

478
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Speaker 4: going to do coverage wise before they did, you know

479
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 4: what I mean, whatever, whatever, it was amazing going on. Yes,

480
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 4: you know the thought process. They say the game so quick, Well,

481
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 4: he's spinning up because he.

482
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Speaker 2: Knew what they were doing.

483
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Speaker 3: All right. Wes Phillips is the offensive coordinator of the Vikings.

484
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Speaker 3: Here's his quote. Maybe this will help explain it for you.

485
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Speaker 3: A lot of teams have gone to more pure progression.

486
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Speaker 3: We still have some coverage read type plays where maybe

487
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: it's single high and you're working this side too high,

488
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: or pressure and you're maybe working this side. But even

489
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: in my time in the league in the beginning, it's

490
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 3: hard to read because I got to keep moving it around.

491
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: That was kind of everything. It was coverage reading. Here's

492
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Speaker 3: where I'm going. This is the alert versus a second versus.

493
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: This is too high, so I'm going here. He's laying

494
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Speaker 3: I get out. I guess different defenses that might be

495
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: in front of him. I guess reading this. I still

496
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: don't completely understand what pure progression means. The Seafferts put

497
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Speaker 3: it this way. I wonder how many people are beat

498
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: writers realize that a lot of NFL copres are making

499
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: decisions not based on reading coverages, but instead progressing through

500
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Speaker 3: a predetermined order of eligible receivers. So apparently that's the

501
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: purity part. If it's pure progression, it's simply literally going

502
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Speaker 3: through a predetermined order of eligible receivers as opposed to

503
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Speaker 3: from the beginning of the play reading the coverage. You

504
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: see the distinction. There is a distinction today.

505
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: But it's.

506
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Speaker 3: Throw to him three and you better tuck the ball

507
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 3: and run. That's it. It strikes me again a little

508
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: bit as we we're losing our minds, uh on the

509
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: and we had he Look the kid played better. They

510
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: had a better game. That Washington is a terrible defense,

511
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: but not their fault. They played a more I thought

512
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: he played the position in a more adult way. They

513
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: kept it simpler, out of your hands quick, you know,

514
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 3: don't It doesn't have to be a twenty seven yard

515
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: rip pass. It can be seven yards to the tight end.

516
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Speaker 2: Whatever.

517
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Speaker 3: All that's good. But it's amazing to me that one

518
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: victory and now we're talking about this pure progression stuff

519
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: like it's reinventing it with you.

520
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 4: I like the story of Brent Faarr. I'm sure you've

521
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 4: heard it where and he talks about it. He was

522
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: in the league about three years and uh, he asked

523
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 4: another quarterback that they that they drafted out of college.

524
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: He says, I got to ask you something. He says,

525
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: what's all this nickel stuff. I don't understand this nickel stuff.

526
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 4: And the guy says, well, basically, all he did do

527
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: is they take a linebacker and they put an extra

528
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 4: defensive back.

529
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: And he goes, that's it. That's all they do. They

530
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: all talk about this nickel what's the difference? Yea, And

531
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: to a certain part of that, I agree with that.

532
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: This is an email from Jonathan out of Bloomington. JJ

533
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: McCarthy knew the plays before the defense did because Michigan

534
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: stole the signs Ooha, there it is, Yeah, it's still there.

535
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: It sounds like my friend Gary Hopman, he talks about

536
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 4: that all the time.

537
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: He does bring that up from time to time. Yeah,

538
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: Brady and his receivers would have multiple route options on

539
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: the same play call. During the play the route changes

540
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 3: based on what the defense does, and they both knew

541
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Speaker 3: what the change would be. You talked about this earlier.

542
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: Let's face it, Brady did. It was a master's It

543
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: was a doctorate class right in terms of his approach

544
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: mentally to what was going on, because he didn't have

545
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 3: the greatest arm. He had a good enough arm. But

546
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Speaker 3: it was what you say said he it's it's surveying

547
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 3: and reading and just what the highest percentage of getting

548
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: the ball to the right place at the right time, right,

549
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: whether it's a ten yard pass or a twenty two

550
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: yard pass.

551
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of factors there.

552
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a if you asked me when

553
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 4: when he was there, they they fit their players because

554
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: he even look at some of the receivers. They they

555
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 4: had a lot of guys that they got a lot

556
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: of mileage out of that were possession receivers. Uh and

557
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: for the most part, Brady was really well protected when

558
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: he was too. I remember one year Dante skyr Nikki

559
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: was the offensive line coach and retired and they ran

560
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 4: into some problems and Bill Belichick talked him out of

561
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: retirement and brought him back, you know, to fix the protection,

562
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: because without protection, you have nothing.

563
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: That's true. It changes everything. There's no doubt about that.

564
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: Somebody had texted earlier. We're in the ball season. Now

565
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: we'll get to whether you think got screwed.

566
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, okay for that, Yeah, ball season's

567
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 4: done as.

568
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: We know it. It has done.

569
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Speaker 4: When you think there are ten teams that have turned

570
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: down a chance to go to a bowl, you had

571
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: three teams that had at least six picked street, Notre Dame, Yes,

572
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 4: Iowa State and Kansas State, and they said, do you

573
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 4: want to go? You know?

574
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: Now, obviously Iowa State.

575
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: Lost their coach that might have something doing in Kansas

576
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 4: State coach retired.

577
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: Correct, Notre Dame, they just yeah, you know, I'll ben

578
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: take my ball and go home. Okay.

579
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 4: But the next level teams that would have fit in there,

580
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: they still didn't have six wins, but they had five

581
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: wins Florida State, Auburn, Rutgers, Temple, UCF, and Baylor.

582
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: They don't want to go to a ball game. It's

583
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: it's been anything or whatever.

584
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: And then even if you go to a ball game,

585
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: a lot of times the good players are are opting out.

586
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: So are you offended by that? Do you think the

587
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: players should be obligated to play? Do you do you

588
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: defend their right to do what?

589
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: This year?

590
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: Like you said, a bunch of teams are How do

591
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 3: you feel about it?

592
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: Well, I think that what's happened with the balls, there's

593
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 4: been so many balls.

594
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Everybody goes forty two, everybody.

595
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: Goes to a ball you know, it's it's it's just

596
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: like another game, that's all it is. Where it used

597
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 4: to be. I married when I was at Kansas. You know,

598
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: you could be seven wins. They might not go to

599
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: a ball correct.

600
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: You get invited, you got involved in a chance, you

601
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: would get on the phone and talk to the ball people.

602
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 4: You buy so many tickets all stuff, and it was

603
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 4: it was a big deal. But it's no big deal anymore.

604
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: Though it's not, especially if you're a team that's used

605
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: to going to one of the four major ballgame or

606
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 4: the college football playoff, and now that it's twelvey, if

607
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: you don't get in, you say, well, kids don't want

608
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: to go.

609
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: Yep, that's where we're at. So I think I think

610
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna see.

611
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: You know, the only reason they're still surviving, if you

612
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: ask me, is that you know, TV people they need

613
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: the balls because they need product on TV.

614
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: They definitely do. That's one hundred.

615
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: And if you don't have that, what are you gonna

616
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: what are you gonna put out?

617
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: It?

618
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: All right, I want it, We're gonna get let's get

619
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: caught up on brakes, and I want to get to

620
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 3: your view on who got screwed and who didn't, who

621
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: has a right to be angry and who doesn't regarding

622
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: the uh the postseason tournament field, Mace in your face,

623
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: keep the text coming as well. Pure progression. A quarterback

624
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: reads a predetermined, fixed order of receivers on a play,

625
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: regardless of the defense. So that's it, literally, I guess

626
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: that's the pure part. You literally don't, Matt, don't trust

627
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: your eyes. You go here, you go here, and you

628
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: go here. That's pure, I guess, which seems counterintuitive to me.

629
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: If you've got a quarterback who knows what he's doing.

630
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: But we'll get into that in more detail and get

631
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: into some other things, other things with mace in your

632
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: face and just.

633
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Mace.

634
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: John the mail carrier has checked in regarding the Bowl discussion.

635
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: Not sure why so many people care. For some it's

636
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: a nice holiday trip. Plus what about stadium workers, concession people,

637
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: local restaurants, many others? Too long the list. Who cares?

638
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: You don't have to watch or pay any attention. Just

639
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: let it happen. Some of these workers could use the

640
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: extra money for whatever reason.

641
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, What do you make of that he said

642
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: the ball should go on.

643
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: And if yeah, he's saying for reasons like that, it's

644
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: a nice trip, it's it's you got a lot of

645
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: people who you know, get extra paychecks who work in

646
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: that in that stadium.

647
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: I understand.

648
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: At my point being, I think you're can get to

649
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 4: a point where the TV people aren't.

650
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: Going to pay the money.

651
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: That's probably or the sponsors of the ballgames. Yeah, that's

652
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: my point. I've always thought the Bowl games were great rewards.

653
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: I don't know why guys are opting out. I know

654
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: that the you know, Pj's always had success some ball

655
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: games we had pretty good success in ball games.

656
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: We made it fun for the players and it was

657
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: they were great trips.

658
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: Uh.

659
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: I just think that when.

660
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: Your top players are opting out and you get bad publicity,

661
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: that certain teams that were slotted to go to your

662
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: ball say we don't want to go.

663
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 3: None of that hill.

664
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: That's not very good.

665
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: Well, it's broken down dramatically from its from its Haiti,

666
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 3: there's no question about that. That's undeniable. That's not you

667
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: necessarily saying you you you, you know, are against the concept. Oh,

668
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 3: I'm surveying the reality of where it is now.

669
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's sad.

670
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: I think that the Bulls were a great part of

671
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 4: college football tradition and I think it's been tainted and

672
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: I think that's very unfortunate.

673
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: Did Notre Dame get.

674
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: Screwedde No, I don't know.

675
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 4: It's you know, they're not in a conference, and that's

676
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: that's a sore spot with everybody because they could name

677
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 4: the conference that they want to go to.

678
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: Let's face it.

679
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 4: I know that ten tried forever and ever and ever,

680
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: but in fact, probably their their TV deal would have

681
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 4: been more financially benefit if they were to joined the

682
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 4: Big Ten.

683
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: In state and independent, but they want to call, you know,

684
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: their own shots.

685
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: So you know, you I heard some of the people

686
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 4: on TV say, you know, a team shouldn't be penalized

687
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: for playing in a conference game, you know, a conference

688
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: championship game, and I guess what they're talking about. I

689
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 4: assume was Alabama getting just thumped twy Georgia.

690
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: You know, so you know that would do that.

691
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: Well, then you go down and say, well, if you're

692
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 4: not going to penalize there, well, if that's consistent, then

693
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 4: you know why it is the highest state going one

694
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: and lose to Indiana and then they three or go

695
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: to three. But if you think that's true, then you

696
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: go to Miami and you compare.

697
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: Miami and Notre Dame.

698
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 4: Miami didn't play in the ACC championship game, you know,

699
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: Duke and Virginia did in Duke upset Virginia. So if

700
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 4: you if you look at that, then you say, well,

701
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 4: how come Miami, Well they beat him head to head.

702
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know.

703
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: You know, one of the things that you talk about

704
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: the college football Playoff is supposed to be the best teams.

705
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: And I've heard Nick Saban say this. We once or

706
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 4: maybe maybe it was Lane Kiffin, one of the two

707
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 4: you know, birds of the same feather right there. You know,

708
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 4: is that let the Las Vegas the side of the

709
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: best teams.

710
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: Well you look at Alabama and play in Oklahoma.

711
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 4: Well there's Alabama's a one point five favorite, even though

712
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: they got dumped by Georgia. They say, oh, it's okay.

713
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: Miami and Texas A and m And you know Texas

714
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: A and M lost that last game. Otherwise, heck, they

715
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: might have been number one. They're three point five favorites

716
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: over Miami, so Miami must be pretty good. But then

717
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: you get to Tulane and Ole Miss, and ole Miss

718
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: is a seventeen and a half point favorite. Seventeen and

719
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 4: a half someone might say, well wait a minute. And

720
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 4: then you got Oregon, who they're pretty good right against

721
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: James Madison twenty one and a half point favorite. So

722
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: I understand that because they have everybody, yes, I want

723
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: into this thing. You needed all the conferences and the

724
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 4: other guys that were on the outside like JMU to.

725
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: Buy in to make it comprehensive. The only I'm gonna.

726
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 4: Tell you it's gonna go to twenty four teams real quick.

727
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: Yes, there's no question. My issue with Bama is I

728
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: get it that you don't if you decide, well, I

729
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: don't want to penalize them too much for playing in

730
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: an extra game, But if you lose by twenty one

731
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 3: points and you don't even lose any standing, that doesn't

732
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: make sense to me, you know what I'm saying. I

733
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: think they should slide. There should be some penal It

734
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: was their third loss too, I mean the three losses.

735
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: So I again, is it outlandish to think that they

736
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: shouldn't that they're they missed the field. I don't want

737
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: to go that are, but to me, they should have

738
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 3: moved some at the very least. And it felt like.

739
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 2: Now they're playing the teams that we're already playing.

740
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: That's exactly it. That's right in fact, and I think

741
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 3: Indiana plays the winner of that game. I'm not mistaken,

742
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: which I think is pretty Uh, those are two pretty

743
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: good opponents. So you're I think you're right. The answer

744
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: is they're just going to keep adding teams. It's inevitable

745
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: that they're going to do that, don't you think?

746
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: Well?

747
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: I think so, and I for a couple of reasons.

748
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: One because the controversy over this, and I don't know

749
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: how you keep adding teams. I think you're gonna have

750
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: to do away with the conference championship.

751
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: You know that may they're people who have theorized that

752
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: You're right, that's what ends up. Yes, which makes But

753
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 3: is there too much money.

754
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: To live for a Confence champion to give rid to

755
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: the conference championship?

756
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 3: That makes some sense? Do you just you know, you know,

757
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: TV rules everything. Do they lose too much money if

758
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: the conference title games go away?

759
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: Well, no, because you're adding more.

760
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: Games, that's true.

761
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually adding more games. That might be the answer,

762
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: which is goes to the next thing. What's that?

763
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: I know if you saw that Utah, I.

764
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: Think they've done.

765
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: It was rumored that they entered into a third party

766
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: agreement with a private equity, you know, getting money for

767
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: them to take piece of the action. I think that's

768
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: a real slippery slope. And the reason I say that

769
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: very seldom. It never does somebody put a large amount

770
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 4: of money in that don't want to say so what's

771
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 4: going on? Because they want to return on their investment.

772
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: And when I'm talking about how many times on this

773
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: show do we talk about TV.

774
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: TV controls everything. I mean, they control.

775
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 4: Starting signs, they got to say in everything. They're putting

776
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 4: a lot of money out there. They got an investment.

777
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: They want to return on their money. Look at the

778
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 4: apparel people to shoot people. Why do you think we

779
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 4: have teams they don't wear the same uniform two weeks

780
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 4: in a row.

781
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: You think it's because they want no the TV.

782
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: You say, we'll give you the money, but we want

783
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 4: you to wear these alternative uniforms. And we've got away

784
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: from There was a day and age when I first

785
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: probably when I was a player, when I first got

786
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 4: involved in in coaching, where most places they did pretty good.

787
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: The expenses were held down and they still tried to fundraise,

788
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 4: but they operated with the idea we want your money,

789
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: but we don't want your two cents. But now you're

790
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: getting enough money, you're going to get their trade sents

791
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: and more.

792
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: Whether you want it or not. You can't avoid it

793
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: because the money's too great. That's your point. Any interest

794
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: in a football a college football n IT championship, Pick

795
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: eight teams for the playoffs. Let the network with broadcasting

796
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: rights pick the teams to play. You know it's a consolations.

797
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 3: You know, I grew up in Jersey.

798
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 4: I used to go over to the old Madison Square,

799
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: watch mart Garden and watch the NI and.

800
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: It was prestigious. Now, oh it was big time.

801
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: It was big time.

802
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: And I remember one time I went there and clearly

803
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: U Army coached by Bob Knight. Knight, they were they

804
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: were gonna play Saint John's, Okay, And you know what's

805
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 4: sitting on the bench no as a recruit watching the game,

806
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: Louel Cinder.

807
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: Is that right before.

808
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: He was before he became Kareem and went to us.

809
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure.

810
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: This is correct, uh, but uh, I in the back

811
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: of my mind that Bob Knight wanted to go to

812
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 4: the n I t rather the NCAA Tournament because then

813
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: the whole core could come down and watch it.

814
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be true, but it was very big, no question.

815
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 3: My one regret on the Big ten or conference tournament

816
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: or championship games going away is then you deprived. I mean,

817
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: Ohio State is no big deal, I guess because they

818
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 3: got figger fish to fry ultimately, but for a team

819
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: like Indiana to then be deprived of that night they had,

820
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 3: that would be kind of I think that'd be unfortunate.

821
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 3: On the on the rare occasion when you have a team,

822
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: a program that's not used to doing it because it

823
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: was a cool night for that for that program.

824
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, exactly right. And you know if you

825
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: were real traditionalists.

826
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: Before the college football playoff, who should be going to

827
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 4: the Rose Bowl? Right?

828
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: And everybody and that state would be empty?

829
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: Uh. And I think except for the older fans, that's.

830
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: Really been diminished.

831
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 4: But as you well know, people dreamed about going to

832
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: the Rose Bowl. You know, the University of Minnesota never

833
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 4: had a bigger supporter than Dick Ames. I mean, I'm

834
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 4: telling you never. He he was the greatest. And I'd like

835
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: to have a dollar for every time he'd say to me, Land,

836
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: you got to get me to the Rose Bowl. I mean,

837
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 4: that's that was his dream in life. And I tell you,

838
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 4: if we were ever been successful in doing that, I

839
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 4: always said, somehow I was gonna get Dick and his

840
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 4: horse team into the Rose Ball parade because he deserved it.

841
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 3: Lastly, we should we mentioned it when it broke actually

842
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: during Louis that Michigan's coach is that Sharon Moore is

843
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: that he.

844
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 2: Pronounced He's a Kansas guy.

845
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 3: He has been dismissed the and Michigan is saying it

846
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: has to do well, who knows what if his record

847
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: had much to do with it. They're saying he engaged

848
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: in an inappropriate relationship with a with a staffer, I believe.

849
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 4: Which brings out one of my favorite sayings, which I

850
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 4: can't say on the RADIALI anybody that knows me, he's

851
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: listening and they're.

852
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 3: Laughing, they'll know. They'll know exactly what it is. Does

853
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 3: that surprise you at all? I mean you and how much?

854
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: Because you know how this works. That may be the

855
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: reason they're giving. But they're also his I think his

856
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: record was seventeen and eight. Is that good enough? I mean,

857
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: if he if this doesn't happen, do you think he's

858
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: likely safe for a long time or not? I mean,

859
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 3: what what do you think?

860
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 4: I don't know all the circumstances, but they must have

861
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 4: him dead to rights if they not only announced that

862
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 4: they fired him and with cause, and so.

863
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: They that's true.

864
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know the thing about they went

865
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: through that if it was going to be public, you know,

866
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 4: they they still have the the tarnished look because of

867
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 4: the UH sign stealing deal, you know, and uh you know,

868
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 4: really the state of Michigan's had their problems with bad

869
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 4: publicity in athletic program, so I don't you know, I'm

870
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 4: sure that enough's enough. You know, we the coach answers

871
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: to the a D. The answers to the president. The

872
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: president answers to the trustees, so you never know who

873
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 4: makes the call. By the way, it is worth mentioning

874
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 4: the goal. It turns out Indiana will play in the

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Speaker 4: Rose Bowl, and no it's not the usual Rose Bull

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Speaker 4: but that will be the side of their first the

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Speaker 4: second run game, which is great.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: That's good that they at least get they will get

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Speaker 3: that trip with a little extra time.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming, so yeah, I guess they'd assume they did.

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Speaker 3: We'll let you go. Thanks for being the hearty soul.

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Speaker 3: You are not retreating to Florida like our previous guest

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Speaker 3: guest Louis does. You're still here, hale and hardy for

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Speaker 3: at least a few more weeks. Maybe, yeah, you never

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Speaker 3: never know. Yeah, we'll see you next week. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Mace in your face. We'll come back with

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Speaker 3: the top five and five which will include what well

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Speaker 3: make Kevin Fauns happy. Check it on the Wolves and

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Speaker 3: a controversial coach firing