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Speaker 2: watching the Olympics while we're at home, while we're doing

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Speaker 2: you certainly know, but maybe not the particulars. The Olympics

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Speaker 2: were started in seven seventy six BC by the Greeks.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the games would cover six months. Some of

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Speaker 2: the events discus chariot racing, wrestling, but the Olympics were banned.

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Speaker 3: The modern day word for it is wrestling. They called

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Speaker 2: The Olympics were banned in three ninety six a d

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Speaker 2: in direct conflict with Christianity. So the Olympic Games went

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Speaker 2: on hiatus for fifteen hundred years until the modern Olympics.

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Speaker 2: The gan in Athens in eighteen ninety six. A lot

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Speaker 2: of puzzo grease and matt you know, a couple of

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Speaker 3: We occupied by the Turks. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Dodger pictures and catchers. A fishery report to

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Speaker 2: Camel bag? David Vassay's back. That's who not yet.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the players are there, not vass A

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Speaker 4: I think that just kind of obviously getting the pictures

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Speaker 3: Sadly Alex Vessi, but great to have him back, spoke

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Speaker 3: basically matt ended Chris Paul's career, which is up in

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Speaker 3: Even Gary Payton picked one up at the Miami Heat

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Speaker 3: All Star Weekend this Sunday, and the new format is

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Speaker 3: USA versus the Internacial Now. Kevin Durant was asked about

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Speaker 7: You should ask the Europeans, if the world team, if

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Speaker 3: So we haven't.

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Speaker 7: Questioned what they've been doing, but we're gonna question old

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Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying, and who knows what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: We'll see m seems like you can you just ask

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they show up too.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna it's gonna play hard. He cares a big

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Speaker 3: Versus Why don't you ask the black guys? Right, I'll

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, trying to think of what

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Speaker 2: you know, Giannis might take offense to that. Y. I'm

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Speaker 3: My name is big Head and I'm black.

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Speaker 2: What Sega is like?

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Speaker 3: What about me?

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Speaker 2: I'm from Canada?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't you ask the international guys?

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Speaker 2: My name's Ted Gage and I'm white.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you ask some of these freaking, weird, freaking

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Speaker 3: euro freaks. They're gonna play. UCLA is in at Arbor

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Speaker 3: tomorrow morning to take on Michigan. Former brewin a Die

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Speaker 3: Mara is on the Michigan team. Although he's evil now

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Speaker 3: with a goatee and a fuller face. He played two

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Speaker 8: Another game, buddy, It's Life in the Portal. If you

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Speaker 8: I'll give you an honest answer. The only game that

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Speaker 3: Life in the.

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Speaker 8: Portal, Man, Yeah, you know, well, I'll tell you what

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Speaker 8: I'm talking about early at Oregon State. I actually was

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Speaker 2: To pump it up, Matt, What did happen with the Yeah,

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Speaker 2: For it to show up, not going to get it.

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Speaker 6: Think Michigan's best team in the country. I think I've

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Speaker 2: That no doubt a big one win there and almost

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Speaker 6: I would say, Matt, I always look at it the

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Speaker 6: Well, I think if you're talking about the top level

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Speaker 6: It was beautiful yesterday sun was out sixty Today sun

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Speaker 3: Oh, we'd love to see it now, Don. A couple

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Speaker 3: Like that though.

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Speaker 6: It would have really really bothered me. It would have

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Speaker 2: Lenardi, who doesn't know nearly as much as you do

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Speaker 2: His one seeds are Michigan, Arizona, Yukon and Duke. He's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that sc loss the other night, had heard him.

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Speaker 3: and I and our collective mind has proclaimed that. So

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Speaker 3: does it surprise you that they just keep seeming to

437
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Speaker 3: to sort of overcome all this despite ending Chris Paul's career.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it is surprising, but I think it's

439
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Speaker 6: surprising only because of the start they had and how

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Speaker 6: bad they were. And who knows, if they didn't have

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Speaker 6: that horrible start, would they have done the moves they

442
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Speaker 6: did at the dead line. We don't know that. But

443
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Speaker 6: to me, and I'm not saying this for any other reason,

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Speaker 6: then I've been around it for a long time. If

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Speaker 6: they continue to win, and let's say they stay in

446
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Speaker 6: the play in and even if they win a plane

447
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Speaker 6: and they get into the real playoffs, you're still in

448
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Speaker 6: the middle. You're not contending. And so I think that's

449
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Speaker 6: what they're setting up for by getting rid of hard

450
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Speaker 6: and getting rid of some of these salaries as they

451
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Speaker 6: are setting up rebuild. And that means that Clipper fans

452
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Speaker 6: probably aren't going to see the playoffs for a number

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Speaker 6: of years, but that's what you have to do. It's

454
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Speaker 6: watching this league for as long as we all have.

455
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Speaker 6: The worst thing you can do is keep trying to

456
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Speaker 6: add pieces. But yet you're still the seven six five

457
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Speaker 6: seed every year and you're nowhere near winning a championship.

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Speaker 6: Because that's the goal, is winning the whole thing, and

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Speaker 6: so if you've got to strip it down and start over,

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Speaker 6: that's what you got to do. And it seems to

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Speaker 6: me that's what the Clippers are likely going to do.

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Speaker 2: I apologize, Don, I am easily distracted, So when I

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Speaker 2: heard something as compelling as a one called sweet Cheeks,

464
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Speaker 2: I had to do a bit of a dive here.

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Speaker 2: And while they have a glorious sounding ninety one point

466
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one Sarah with notes of toasted cedar, white

467
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Speaker 2: pepper and vanilla, you mentioned it's in the sixties out there,

468
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Speaker 2: and might I recommend the twenty twenty four rosy Cheeks

469
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Speaker 2: the perfect wine when you need a burst of sunshine,

470
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Speaker 2: harmonious flavors of melon and berries. That to me, screams

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Speaker 2: Don McLain, a rose.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I haven't looked at the b I haven't looked

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Speaker 6: at the menu. Yet I do know that they don't

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Speaker 6: have a cab, so that's a problem. But what they

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Speaker 6: do have is some beer selection, so I may go

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Speaker 6: that route.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, the rose is there.

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Speaker 6: Let the let the wife hit the wines, all hit

479
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Speaker 6: the beers and everyone's happy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the rose could be for brook Don. What about

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Speaker 3: the Lakers in their situation here at the All Star break.

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Speaker 3: I know Lebron really wanted that triple double, that's dope.

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Speaker 6: Yeah he did. Yeah, he wanted that triple double. And

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Speaker 6: you know what, and I've said this forever on your

485
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Speaker 6: He's earned the right to do kind of whatever he

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Speaker 6: wants in the league, and if he wants a triple

487
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Speaker 6: double at this stage of his career, let him have it.

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Speaker 6: The good news is they want. I hate it when

489
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Speaker 6: guys go for things like that when they're losing the game,

490
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Speaker 6: so at least they were winning the game. Go for it,

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Speaker 6: get your triple double. You've earned it.

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Speaker 2: When you were you know, when we were younger, it

493
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Speaker 2: was Dominique Wilkins versus Michael Jordan, even the contest even

494
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Speaker 2: before Jordan, when it was like Stansbury versus Chambers, like

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Speaker 2: the dunk contest was fun. I mean, doctor Jay was

496
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Speaker 2: in the Dunk Contest? Were you as a high level

497
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Speaker 2: basketball player? Don did you get into the three point

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Speaker 2: Shootout and the Dunk Contest back in the day, And

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about what it's become.

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Speaker 6: I think the three point shooting things still legitimate. I

501
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Speaker 6: don't know why. You know, injuries are such a big

502
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Speaker 6: topic and guys don't want to exert themselves, so I

503
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Speaker 6: know that's why the Dunk Contest has become what it's become.

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Speaker 6: But I think the three point Shooting Contest is still watching.

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Speaker 6: I think most of the guys that should be in

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Speaker 6: it are in it, so that's compelling. But All Star

507
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 6: weekend has just become These guys make so much money

508
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 6: that they don't really want to do anything more than

509
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 6: have time off during the All Star break, and so

510
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 6: they can they can keep trying every different format, every

511
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Speaker 6: different scenario they want. But until you incentivize guys to

512
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Speaker 6: actually play, I don't think people are going to be

513
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Speaker 6: that interested.

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Speaker 3: Most of the will Lammette Valley wineries feature a pinot

515
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: as there as their big red Dawn. That's a rough

516
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Speaker 3: ticket for cab lovers out there, but hopefully.

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Speaker 6: By the way not to cut you off. I'm sorry, Matt,

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Speaker 6: you were bringing up those names.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 6: One of the coolest things I've run into in a while,

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Speaker 6: because I just started staying there the Graduate in Eugene.

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Speaker 6: They have all the old Nike posters on a wall

523
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Speaker 6: in their restaurant. The Iceman poster, Oh Wow, boardroom, Doctor

524
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Speaker 6: duncan Stein poster, Chocolate Thunder. It was the cool cause

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Speaker 6: I had all those posters when I was a kid,

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Speaker 6: and they have them all on this huge wall in

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Speaker 6: their in their like restaurant bar area in the hotel.

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Speaker 6: It's the coolest thing I've seen in forever.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, waiter, waiter, Yes, sir, I really like these posters.

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Speaker 3: Very good, sir.

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Speaker 2: Do they have the Jordan Wings poster with the.

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Speaker 6: Matt They have every single one of them. They have.

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Speaker 6: They have even the other.

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Speaker 3: Sports Bo Jackson on a cycle.

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Speaker 6: Yeh, bo Jackson they have. They have them all. They

536
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Speaker 6: have John McEnroe's posters. They have everyone on there.

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Speaker 2: That's super cool.

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Speaker 3: It still doesn't beat the Valley river and down even

539
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: if it burned down. Okay, you can't suck.

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Speaker 6: Up, Oh Valley rivers back up and running.

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Speaker 3: Well, why aren't you over there, because I don't know

542
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: too far there, too far over there. It's literally two

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Speaker 3: hundred yards all right now, One and only Dodd McClay, ladies,

544
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Speaker 3: and he's at the Sweet Chicks, and he's about to

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Speaker 3: get in there cheeks. And we'll see where he is

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Speaker 3: later in the week up in the Northwest. But God

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Speaker 3: bless him, and thank you for the inside down. Have

548
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Speaker 3: a great weekend, and say hi to your lovely wife.

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Speaker 6: Yep, have a good weekend, guys.

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Speaker 3: There goes Don McLean and we'll be right back with

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Speaker 3: your dead and the live guy Birthday of the Day.

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Speaker 3: We'll wrap it up and then Tim Kates with your

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Speaker 3: Pitchers and Catchers report, First day of record Dodger Talk show.

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Speaker 1: This is petros Money on demand.

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Speaker 3: First day Pitchers and Catchers Dodgerer Talk coming up next.

556
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: You don't want to miss that show. Tim Kates behind

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Speaker 3: the wheel with his hand on the gear shift, shifting

558
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Speaker 3: gears all the way to Camelback Ranch. Dave Roberts. All

559
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: kinds of different stuff happening today at camel Back Ranch, Arizona.

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Speaker 3: So Tim Kates will be next. Pettersen Money mercifully coming

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Speaker 3: to an end. Matt. We have some things to promote

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Speaker 3: this weekend.

563
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Speaker 2: Tim Kate's gonna be on the preaff and post Sunday.

564
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Speaker 2: You get a little border war between Illinois and Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Two teams, one certainly atop the Big Ten in Illinois,

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Speaker 2: another fighting to get into the tournament in Indiana, which

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Speaker 2: you know not a big basketball every football going.

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Speaker 3: Indiana is a big basketball school, Matt, what and I

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Speaker 3: can tell you right yeah, okay, news slash football. If

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Speaker 3: you're gonna work the Big Ten tournament, you might want

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Speaker 3: to know that. And then second of all, Matt, Second

572
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Speaker 3: of all, Okay, that game is of paramount interest to

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Speaker 3: people here in southern California. No doubt that border war

574
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Speaker 3: is very you know, right over that time zone.

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Speaker 2: Come on, think about those historic matchups between Bobby Knight

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Speaker 2: and Lou Henson. I mean we all remember them, that's right,

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Speaker 2: And we're just mentioned right now, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget to podcast this show on the iHeartRadio app

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Speaker 3: for your smartphone. We're always there for you, even on

580
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: the weekends when we're not really there. Monday's a holiday,

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Speaker 3: but Pettersen Money will start at three for a four

582
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Speaker 3: hour show on Monday. Why because we like you and

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Speaker 3: your dead guy. Birthday of the day is John Aaron Rawlins.

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Speaker 3: Interesting story. I thought it was interesting when I read

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Speaker 3: about this guy, John Aaron Rawlins. Yes, Jar, I think

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Speaker 3: you would like Rawlins. It would have been one hundred

587
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Speaker 3: and ninety five years old today from Galena, Illinois. Improverished

588
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: background could have never played for lou Henson was His

589
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: father was kind of a deadbeat, so he was the

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Speaker 3: caregiver and caretaker for his family, very little education, was

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Speaker 3: known as a self made man. Became a lawyer and

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Speaker 3: in the eighteen sixties he got really into the Lincoln

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Speaker 3: Douglas debates and backed the wrong horse. He was really

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Speaker 3: into Steve Douglas and a big Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people were.

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Speaker 3: His first wife had three kids for him and then

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Speaker 3: died at tuberculosis, and he said in his mind, God,

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Speaker 3: I hate to die from that tuberculosis, which he did

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Speaker 3: some few years later, unfortunately he killed him. But before

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Speaker 3: tuberculosis killed him, he did get his hot second wife. Okay,

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Speaker 3: And here's what happened after he threw off his Democrat

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Speaker 3: yoke and joined the Union Army because of the Declaration

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Speaker 3: of Warrant Fort Sumter, he became Ulysses S. Grant's guy.

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Speaker 3: He was his number one assistant aide de camp, made

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Speaker 3: it all the way to brigadier general under Grant. So

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Speaker 3: every time us Grant got promoted, Rawlins got promoted as well.

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Speaker 3: And Grant went all the way to the top to

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Speaker 3: take down the Army of Northern Virginia, and for most

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Speaker 3: of it, Rawlins went with him. And when Grant became

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Speaker 3: the president, Rawlins became the Secretary of War. He was

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Speaker 3: with Grant until he died. From being a luner, being

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Speaker 3: with Grant and being Grant's number one confidant meant it

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Speaker 3: was Rowlin's job to keep him sober and fighting against

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Speaker 3: the Confederates. He had to keep him from going on benders.

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Speaker 3: And as long as there was a war like fighting

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Speaker 3: to be had, he could keep Grant sober. But when

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Speaker 3: they would have like a siege like in Vicksburg or

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Speaker 3: in Chattanooga where they were just starving out the army

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Speaker 3: and having him surrounded, that's when Grant was susceptible. Idle hands,

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Speaker 3: you know, Matt, they do the devil's work. Grant fought,

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Speaker 3: and that's why Lincoln couldn't fire him for being a drunk.

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Speaker 3: He fought hard and many died, and Grant was overall

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Speaker 3: a very honorable man. And Rawlins and Grant together made

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Speaker 3: a pretty good soldier. And Lincoln tried to put or

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Speaker 3: did put rawlins law partner in jail in Illinois for

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Speaker 3: being a vocal anti war Democrat, and Rawlins did not

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Speaker 3: like that. He got him out. Lincoln put anybody in

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Speaker 3: jail he wanted to. He suspended Habeas Corpus for the

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Speaker 3: entire Civil War.

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Speaker 2: Guy was very tall.

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Speaker 3: He just threw everybody very tall. If you were like

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Speaker 3: suspected of anything, Lincoln through you in jail.

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Speaker 6: It was.

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Speaker 3: He was also exposed to Grant's expulsion of Jews from

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Speaker 3: the Union army, which Grant did right in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the war.

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Speaker 2: Kind of need him there Boston.

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00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 3: Rawlins was like, hey, actually you didn't. They could come

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00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: with more guys. Like that was the thing about the Union.

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00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: They were ever going to run out of guys. It

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Speaker 3: was said that if you shot Rawlins in the head,

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Speaker 3: you'd be killing Grant's brain. He worked hard to keep

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Speaker 3: Grant from going on benders. I think Grant got annoyed

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Speaker 3: with him, so by the end he sent him to

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Speaker 3: d C to be with Lincoln as his emissary, and

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Speaker 3: then when Grant became president, he became the Secretary of War.

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Speaker 3: But the second he became the Secretary of War, he

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Speaker 3: significantly reduced General Sherman's power, Grant's BFF and basically Rawlins

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00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 3: got between Grant and Sherman and they never were friends

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Speaker 3: like they were again because of Rawlins. Rawlins was also

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Speaker 3: heavily anti Mormon. He went hard against polygamy and wanted

652
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Speaker 3: to destroy the Mormons and send the army and crush them.

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00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: They were trying to separate from the States. He was

654
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: doom at that particular time.

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00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: He was very anti combative Mormon and pushed Grant to

656
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: get after the Mormon's ass. This is all while just

657
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: coughing up a storm is dying the whole time. He

658
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: did approve the Brooklyn Bridges construction right before his death.

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Speaker 2: One of the world's great marvels.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a significant figure of the nineteenth century, died a

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00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 3: consumption at thirty eight. Oh God, yeah, in eighteen sixty

662
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: eighteen sixty nine. Dude, like he was there for everything.

663
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 3: He coughed his way into oblivion.

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Speaker 2: And he was howled thirty eight. Jesus lived like ten lifetimes. Well,

665
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 2: you're a live guy.

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00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: There are statues and some things named after him.

667
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: Jars named after him.

668
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: Are a live guy.

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Speaker 2: You think it's an overnight success, but holy hell, did

670
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: our man Robert Kelly Thomas go through it before he

671
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: found owned super stardom and Matchbox twenty Baby, it's three am,

672
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: I must be lonely the vocalist.

673
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: At least he wasn't coughing the whole time.

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Speaker 2: Matt Right, vocalist of your father's favorite song ever, Smooth.

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00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: Nobody pushed their hips out like my dad when he

676
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: heard Smooth.

677
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: He was born in Lnstuhl, West Germany and Army brat

678
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: father was stationed over there at the time. Came back

679
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: to the US when little Robbie was just six months old.

680
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: Life at home was not good. Parents got divorced when

681
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: he was two. Single mom raised him with his half sister.

682
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Grandma Health raised him too. In the South Carolina six

683
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: Grammy owned a tiny country store with one gas pump.

684
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: She was an alcoholic who sold moonshine and weed under

685
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Speaker 2: the counter.

686
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: That's how he got so much soul from Matchbox twenty Right.

687
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: Listen into Grammy's favorites, Johnny Cash and Merle haggard. Mom

688
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: decided she had to get him out of that environment,

689
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: so they moved to Florida when Rob was ten. Was

690
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: an abuse of alcoholic. They grew up incredibly poor. A

691
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: friend passed along an old cassio keyboard, into which he

692
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: found solace. Self taught himself how to play, mimicking songs

693
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: he heard on the radio. His mother had different dudes

694
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: in and out of the house, drunks, all of them.

695
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: His sister ran away. At Lake Brantley High School, he

696
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: joined the choir because he had a crush on a

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00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: girl that suggested he join, And it turns out the

698
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: choir instructor was like, you can really sing, and she

699
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: tutored him. He wrote songs. He loved it. He dropped

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00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 2: out of school to focus on music, but he needed money,

701
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: so he stole a car. He tried to sell it,

702
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: he got pinched and he was sent to the pokey

703
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: for about eight months. When he got out, he was homeless,

704
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: did a couch tour between Florida and South Carolina. Family

705
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: and friends. Started singing in a few cover bands to

706
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: make enough money to buy food and beer, and when

707
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: he's twenty one years old, he starts a band called

708
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: Tabitha's Secret A couple friends on I believe that's what

709
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: it was referring to. Thomas wrote all the songs and

710
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: three Am was one of them, but a few of

711
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: the guys weren't into playing anymore, so they broke up. Thomas,

712
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: though it, had made enough contacts to get a demo produced.

713
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: A few stations in Orlando and Tampa loved this song.

714
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: They start playing it. A guy that was a local

715
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 2: promotion dude for Atlantic heard it on the radio, turned

716
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: the label onto it. They sign it to one of

717
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: their imprints, Lava. Thomas writes an album. It gets put

718
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 2: out in October of ninety six, the same day that

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00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: Lava Records folded. This was not their first single and

720
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't really working, and then a Birmingham alternative rock

721
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: station decides to start playing an album track called Push.

722
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: It takes off sells a bunch of records in that

723
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: one market, and with Atlantic about to drop them the

724
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: following week, their an R was like, no, don't look,

725
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: it's working in Birmingham. They decided to start working. Push

726
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: goes top five. Of course, three Am was the follow

727
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: up becomes one of the biggest songs of the year.

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Speaker 2: Album sells three million copies. Four years after three Am

729
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: was recorded, Thomas was homeless. His band broke up on him,

730
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: his label was about to drop it, and all of

731
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's a big hit. And in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: nine Santana and A and R putting together a comeback

733
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: record for Santana with guest vocalists. That thing was almost finished.

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Speaker 2: It was actually a done record until Thomas was handed

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00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: a demo from a songwriter named A Tal Shure. The

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Speaker 2: song had a working title called Smooth, with the idea

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00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: that George Michael would do the vocals.

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Speaker 3: Oh should have God George Michael.

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Speaker 2: Well, Thomas rewrote the whole thing. He wrote all the verses.

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00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: He worked on the chorus with Shure, and when they

741
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: submitted it to Santana, he had no idea who Rob

742
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: Thomas was, but said this hell is this essay? He

743
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: says it has a very Spanish flavor to it and

744
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: said where does that come from? And Rob Thomas. Rob

745
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: Thomas mentioned his wife was Puerto Rican and Santana said, brother,

746
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: you wrote it, you sing it. It was not just

747
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: the biggest song of the year, it is the number

748
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: two hot one hundred song of all Time. It won

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Speaker 2: three Grammys. He was the BMI Songwriter of the Year

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Speaker 2: and Smooth is the biggest selling single ever behind Just

751
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: the Twist from Chubby Checker. How about that. This is

752
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 2: the version from Live at Daryl's House, which is a

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00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: really great session. He and darrylll do a bunch of

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Speaker 2: Haler notes together and it works very well.

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Speaker 3: Thomas, all right, we'll be back on Monday at three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: A big thank you to Tim Kats and Ronnie Fossio.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, Tim Kates with a very special Dodger Talk.

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Speaker 3: Have a great weekend to everybody, and be safe. If

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