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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm so nerding out right now that a half hour

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Speaker 1: from now we get to talk to a veteran of

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Speaker 1: the Rhodesian Bush War. I'm having trouble staying focused. My

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Speaker 1: focus is just stay focused and don't shake your head. Chris,

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Speaker 1: shut up, Chris. I love that we added that on there.

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Speaker 1: That's my new favorite SoundBite. Chris. I'm gonna text people

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Speaker 1: about it. Well, did you get that email? Chris? From

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Speaker 1: the guy? Sorry, we'll get back to politics in a minute.

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Speaker 1: Somebody wrote in an email and had his kid or

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Speaker 1: his nephew figure out how to put that. People be texting.

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Speaker 1: It's now the text notification on his phone. Chris, Can

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Speaker 1: you do that for me?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what?

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Speaker 1: Corey? Can someone do that? Do you know how to

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Speaker 1: do that? Is it? No one knows how to do that.

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Speaker 1: We need some young people in this office. This is

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Speaker 1: the problem. We need junk what Chris, don't I have

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Speaker 1: two kids, Yeah, but I worry that they're more like me.

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Speaker 1: You know what, James could probably do it. I'll make

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Speaker 1: James do it. He'll figure it out, all right. First

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Speaker 1: of all, two good things before we get back to

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Speaker 1: some other stuff. Headline, heg Seth, the Secretary of warptex

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Speaker 1: Seth is planning a huge shakeup at the top of

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Speaker 1: military command. That is incredibly important and necessary. As we

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Speaker 1: were just discussing last hour, the long march through the institutions. Well,

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Speaker 1: the communists didn't exempt the military from that. They wanted it,

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Speaker 1: they knew they had to have it, and they went

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Speaker 1: and got it. They attacked our military. We have so

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Speaker 1: many commie generals, commie admirals, so many of them throughout

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Speaker 1: our service academies now again doing what being subversive, fighting

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Speaker 1: for the revolution. Cleaning them out is going to be

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Speaker 1: a very long, very difficult process, and it is extremely

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Speaker 1: necessary and I mean extremely necessary. So that's a good thing,

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Speaker 1: something you can feel good about. Here's something else. The

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Speaker 1: federal government has shed two hundred and seventy one thousand

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Speaker 1: jobs this year. I know we have concerns. I know

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Speaker 1: being done. I get that. Then all that stuff is legitimate. Look,

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Speaker 1: I just criticized everybody yesterday. Man, do you think we'd

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Speaker 1: have gotten rid of two hundred and seventy one thousand

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Speaker 1: federal government jobs? If Kamala Harris was president. No, we

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Speaker 1: would not. No, we would not. Now I have to

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Speaker 1: play this bit because it just makes me laugh. This

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Speaker 1: is Zooran Mandani. He's the incoming mayor of New York

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Speaker 1: City talking about free buses center.

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Speaker 3: We made five bus routes free in New York City.

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Speaker 3: When we made those bus routes free, after a year,

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Speaker 3: assaults on bus drivers dropped by thirty eight point nine

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Speaker 3: percent on the bus driver the bus drivers because unlike

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Speaker 3: the train, the act of fair collection on the bus

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Speaker 3: happens on the It's live.

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 1: They are actually going to claim that bus drivers will

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Speaker 1: get assaulted less when they make the bus free. Let's

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Speaker 1: have a little chat, shall we, before we get back

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Speaker 1: to politics. And it's ugly to have this conversation, but

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm ugly wait on the inside. On

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Speaker 1: the inside, I'm ugly, So let's have it. Access Access

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Speaker 1: is uh. It's one of those things you need to

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Speaker 1: monitor in life. And if you ever find yourself in

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Speaker 1: a place that lets everybody in, you will find the

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Speaker 1: biggest bunch of scumbags in low lifes in your area

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Speaker 1: every single time. If you want to get me to

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Speaker 1: not go somewhere, and you know I'm cheap. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Jewish producer Chris cheap, but I'm cheap. If you want

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Speaker 1: to guarantee that I will not go somewhere, make it

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Speaker 1: free or and I've learned this lesson after forty four years,

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna have to trust me. Or half price Day.

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Speaker 1: They have this place here locally, and it's one of

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Speaker 1: these kind of kids paradise places. They're all over the country,

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Speaker 1: so you have one close to you as well that

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Speaker 1: has a bowling and laser tag in arcade games and pizza.

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Speaker 1: You know it's kids paradise. Of course, we walked in

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Speaker 1: that we had been there before. It took the boys there.

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Speaker 1: Then it was a Wednesday, I believe. We went there

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. They're going to make the buses

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Speaker 1: so freaking bad. It just there's nothing these people cannot

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Speaker 1: I'm going to play something for you. It's ilhan Omar,

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Speaker 1: and I love that she's in so much pain right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is about by the way, this is

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Speaker 1: about Trump's new travel band. He added a bunch of

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Speaker 5: I mean, the biggest worry of the new executive order

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Speaker 5: is that it does separate families. It doesn't create an

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Speaker 5: exception for you as citizens to have their family members

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Speaker 5: be able to come visit and celebrate milestones with them.

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Speaker 5: And so this is a very cruel.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, let me clarify. We don't want your family

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Speaker 1: members here. We don't want them to visit. We certainly

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Speaker 1: don't want them to live here. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: smell a single one of ilhan Omar's family members. In fact,

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Speaker 1: if I ever take power in this country, ilhan Omar

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Speaker 1: in all of her family will not just be banned

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Speaker 1: one day. But again, the communists understand who's the bread

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Speaker 1: and butter of their revolution. Here's Steve Cohen.

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Speaker 2: They're arresting people simply for the offense of being in

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Speaker 2: the country illegally. It's not right, but it's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: and they are attributing to the economy.

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Speaker 1: So that's a concern we have. They're arresting and deporting

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Speaker 1: people for being in the country illegally. That is a

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Speaker 1: controversial position for the modern Democrat Party. Oh, he had

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Speaker 1: more to say.

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Speaker 2: Memphis is not an immigration center of crimes. And most

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Speaker 2: of the people that are there that are immigrants, even

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Speaker 2: if they did you come into the country illegally, most

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Speaker 2: of them are working legally and doing a lot of

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Speaker 2: important work in Memphis and construction industry, the tourism industry,

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Speaker 2: and they're necessary and needed.

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Speaker 1: They just prefer foreigners over you. It's fregnorable. Frignorable. Hey, Jesse,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the outstanding other outstanding history lesson this time

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Speaker 1: about the Rhodesian Bush War. I am so disappointed in

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Speaker 1: the West, especially the US, for failing to support Rhodesia

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Speaker 1: against the black communist factions. I understand now why my

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Speaker 1: long education never included this disgraceful debacle of a pop

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Speaker 1: prosperous nation. Yeah, that's why. Look, that's why your school

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Speaker 1: a good chance your history teacher wants to do the

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Speaker 1: exact same thing here, and it will do anything in

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Speaker 1: his or her power to make that happen. It's a

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Speaker 1: terrible state of affairs. But this is why this stuff

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Speaker 1: doesn't get taught in schools. Jesse. This is about healthcare costs.

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Speaker 1: I now paid twenty seven thousand dollars a year for

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Speaker 1: good coverage for my family. Good grief. My pot is

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Speaker 1: simmering and about to boil. The whole system seems so

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Speaker 1: messed up, from the hospitals to the drug companies to

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Speaker 1: the insurance providers. Can this ever get fixed? Are there

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Speaker 1: ways to opt out of the system and into something

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Speaker 1: that will cover a family without paying extra for abortions

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Speaker 1: and trans grap and illegals. Paying for healthcare is now

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Speaker 1: a full time job. It is unbelievable what health insurance

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Speaker 1: now costs in this country. I can only tell you

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Speaker 1: what I've looked into, Okay, and I'm not an expert

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Speaker 1: because I haven't done it right. What I've looked into

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Speaker 1: getting out of the insurance run medical industry, meaning concierge medicine.

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Speaker 1: And it sounds expensive, and it is expensive, there's no

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Speaker 1: question about it. But it's not that much more expensive

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Speaker 1: the health insurance industry, which, of course the government screwed up.

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Speaker 1: Remember it's not the insurance companies. It was all this

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Speaker 1: Obamacare exchanges and everything else that's screwed it up, that

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Speaker 1: screwed up our health insurance industry. Now there are doctors

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Speaker 1: or something like that. But what I've warned about repeatedly

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Speaker 1: and what you can totally see happening now, is this

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Speaker 1: get and that was previously not like that in the country.

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Speaker 1: The last time I had to go to the hospital,

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Speaker 1: I was mortified, not just by the conditions by the staff.

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Speaker 1: Were there some lovely nurses, of course? Was there a

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Speaker 1: It was a bunch of dirt balls, rude, dom freaking terrible,

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Speaker 6: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a magnificent Wednesday

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Speaker 6: home day. You can email us Jesse at Jesse kellyshow

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Speaker 6: dot com. Ten minutes away from our veteran of the

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Speaker 6: Rhodesian bush War.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to talk to him. But let me go

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Speaker 1: ahead and address the elephant in the room. So Dan Bongino,

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Speaker 1: Deputy Director of the FBI. Dan Bongino came out today.

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Speaker 1: There were rumors swirling already, but he came out today,

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Speaker 1: you remember what I told you about Dan Bongino and

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Speaker 1: maybe just a headline dan Bongino stepping down. If Dan

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Speaker 1: it can't be saved. He doesn't believe he can save it,

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Speaker 1: because he's not gonna sit there and do nothing. If

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Speaker 1: that'll tell you it can't be fixed. I I don't

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Speaker 1: know all of his reasons. I don't know. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: just misses being you know, on the radio or wherever

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Speaker 1: all his reasons. But I told you a long time

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Speaker 1: some good things. I mean, the only reason we have

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Speaker 1: the pipe bomber now is because Bongino right. You can

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Speaker 1: many many times before, I believe that the FBI will

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Speaker 1: be one of the main driving forces between whatever you

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Speaker 4: Oh, I grew up on a farm. Okay, I was

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Speaker 4: Well? No, no, I went into Marines. I did my

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Speaker 4: Do you ever go up there? It's beautiful? I don't uh.

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Speaker 1: The fight itself, it's hard for me to explain to

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Speaker 1: Doesn't sound goofy at all. I just had them meet

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Speaker 4: This would be September of seventy nine. Okay, they were

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Speaker 4: Buddy, Yes, sir, I'm here as long as you want me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Man Simper five, Buddy, Lily veteran

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Speaker 1: How does that work?

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Speaker 1: you get signed up?

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Speaker 4: Jessey, You don't know how close you just came. I

431
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Speaker 4: had been in touch with the recruiter from the Light

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Speaker 4: Infantry sometime before that. But when I decided to go,

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Speaker 4: I went and bought a ticket, loaded my bags up,

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Speaker 4: went on over and when I landed there, I said, well,

435
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Speaker 4: I'm here, Now what am I gonna do? And you

436
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: hit it just about on the head.

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Speaker 1: You so, whose door did you knock on, buddy.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you this on a serious, serious note,

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Speaker 4: the Rhodesian people are the most polite you'll ever meet.

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Speaker 4: On the plane, I was, well, I flew from just

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Speaker 4: for information, not to be born you, but from New York.

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00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 4: He had to fly into Yoburg and then they would

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00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: push you on air Rhodesia. And when I got to

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00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: Yoberg gentlemen came over to me and I said, oh,

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00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 4: this is not good. He said, we've got your bag, sir.

446
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 4: They're a little heavy, but we're gonna load them for you.

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00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 4: Go right ahead. I kid you not, sir, and he

448
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Speaker 4: said they're head and I said they're tools. He said,

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Speaker 4: I understand. And I got on a plane. I sat

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Speaker 4: next to the Rhodesian gentleman who was coming back from Canada,

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Speaker 4: and we had a wonderful talk. He filled me in

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Speaker 4: on things and offered me his home to stay at,

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Speaker 4: gave me his telephone number when we got to where

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Speaker 4: we landed in Salisbury. When we landed there, he took

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Speaker 4: me to a hotel. He said, if you don't like this,

456
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Speaker 4: please call me. And I was just I just said, gee,

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Speaker 4: this is it's like being in the country in the Usa.

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Speaker 4: These people are some friendly and polite. The other first

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Speaker 4: person I met was the customs guy with a big

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Speaker 4: grin says, you want to join the army? And I said,

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Speaker 4: I just got here. Can he give me a break?

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Speaker 4: And I really was like that. Everybody was just helpful.

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Speaker 4: That's all I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you get yourself checked in at the Rhodesian

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Speaker 1: Best Western or whatever hotel you were checked in.

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Speaker 4: At, not quite close.

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Speaker 1: Where do you go?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 1: Do you go have a night or two out on

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Speaker 1: the town chasing down Rhodesian women? Do you what's next?

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Speaker 4: Well, the gentleman from the customs gave me his number

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Speaker 4: and asked me to give him a call. As it was,

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Speaker 4: they only lived about six or eight blocks from the

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Speaker 4: hotel I was at, which was not a flea bag.

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Speaker 4: It was okay, but it was not the Monomatapa, which

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Speaker 4: I could see across town, which I couldn't afford, thank you,

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Speaker 4: but it was nice. So I called this gentleman up

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Speaker 4: walk to their house and you got to imagine, now

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Speaker 4: this is downtown Salt, very beautiful town was and I'm

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Speaker 4: carrying ar in my back. Nobody step at fact that it's

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Speaker 4: an ar. They don't see Art fifteen. They don't see

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Speaker 4: too many of them. But I looked around and said, gee,

483
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: everybody's carrying guns around here. I mean, seriously, I'm not

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00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: exaggerating a whole lot. And anyway, I got to this

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00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: gentleman's house and his girlfriend worked for the courts, the

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Speaker 4: Criminal Investigation Division, so she sent me over to see

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Speaker 4: one of the supervisors the next day who want to

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00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: scale one to ten was about eight and a half.

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Speaker 4: But she sent me to a couple places for interviews.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm on my second day there. This is

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Speaker 4: how fast things were moving. And I was offered a

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Speaker 4: couple jobs and I did not feel comfortable taking a

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Speaker 4: cup of them because I didn't know the AO, I

494
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: didn't know all the customs. The responsibility I would have

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00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 4: had did not line up with my knowledge of the

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Speaker 4: country if you know where I'm coming from. So I

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Speaker 4: ended up going to work for Well. I had an

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Speaker 4: interview with Anglo American, which was a pretty big corporation,

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Speaker 4: and went to work for the Forest Management Service. The

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Speaker 4: gentleman in charge, the big boss, took me to his

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Speaker 4: house for lunch. I was just flabbergasted. I know, it

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00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 4: sounds crazy, but gave me a long talk, took me down,

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Speaker 4: made sure my driver's license would be okay in Rhodesia.

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Speaker 4: Said be at the office at one o'clock. You're going

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Speaker 4: out on a convoy. And next thing I knew, I

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Speaker 4: was hired.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna pause before we get to the convoy.

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Speaker 1: This is something actually I did not tell everyone. When

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Speaker 1: I was discussing the Rhodesian Bush War. You brought it up.

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Speaker 1: I've seen the pictures of it. That the women would

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Speaker 1: walk around with weapons. It was such a dangerous place

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Speaker 1: that just everybody was armed.

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Speaker 4: Did you see that, Yes, sir, I mean you didn't

514
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: always do it, but it wasn't unusual to pass somebody

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Speaker 4: with a you know, with an fal on their back.

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Speaker 4: Everybody over there had to be a citizen soldier, male

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Speaker 4: or female. You did not know when or if mcgobby's

518
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 4: boys were gonna pop in there and do something. They

519
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 4: weren't as bad as the terrorist star nowadays. They didn't

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00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 4: hit the big city as much, but you had to

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00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: be prepared anyway, and those people were prepared some of

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Speaker 4: the later on one of the hotels and I'm where I

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00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: worked out of Oh I forgot to tell you that much.

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Speaker 4: I forgot something.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, It's okay, buddy. It's because we're about to

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Speaker 1: take a break. And then when we get back, you're

527
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Speaker 1: gonna tell us everything, because I'm just gonna continue to

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Speaker 1: bore you with questions because I'm so fascinating right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Buddy, Lily, veteran of the Rhodesian bush War,

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Speaker 1: as promised, is here, giving us is time killing it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Buddy, cannot tell you how much I

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Speaker 1: appreciate this. So we are gonna take a little quick break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back. I know this is the next hour. Buddy,

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Speaker 1: Lily's gonna give us some more wisdom.

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Speaker 4: Hang on,