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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. Chris,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Jesus. I want to ask you a question

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Speaker 2: about the Mormon religion, but I need to give you

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Speaker 2: a little backstory. In nineteen thirty eight, my mother got

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Speaker 2: pregnant and she was eighteen, so she gave up her

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Speaker 2: baby for adoption. Twelve years later, she had me when

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Speaker 2: she got married, and I thought I was an only child,

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Speaker 2: and she died ten years ago. Two years ago, I

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Speaker 2: got a message from a lady saying that my mother

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Speaker 2: and her mother were the same people. So I found

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Speaker 2: out I had a sister. She's a lovely lady. I've

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Speaker 2: gone to visit her. She's Mormon. She was raised in

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Speaker 2: the Mormon Church. So I've gone to their service. And

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Speaker 2: the grandson is in the ministry. What do you call it?

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Speaker 2: Were they mission? So they go to different places and

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Speaker 2: I do talk to him once a week with the

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Speaker 2: young man that he's with. I need to know what

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Speaker 2: your take on the Morman region is, because they believe

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Speaker 2: in you, and they believe in God, the same God

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Speaker 2: as far as I can tell, But there I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you what do you think?

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Speaker 1: Well, normally on the program, it's not our focus to

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Speaker 1: you know, put down or do anything that causes ugliness

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Speaker 1: or division, because that's not the purpose of the show.

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Speaker 1: So normally we don't point out a particular belief system

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Speaker 1: unless it intertwines like yours does, into a question and

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Speaker 1: there's no way to separate it. So I want people

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Speaker 1: to understand this in the spirit in which it's intended.

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Speaker 1: This show is decidedly coming from a mainstream Judeo Christian perspective.

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Speaker 1: That means there will be beliefs systems like Mormonism or

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Speaker 1: Jehovah's Witnesses or different things like that that are believed

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Speaker 1: by mainstream Christianity to be outside of the fold of

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Speaker 1: traditional beliefs. So that means that they may use similar terms,

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Speaker 1: but the common belief is that they are outside of

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Speaker 1: mainstream Christianity. So I will tell you this, and that

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Speaker 1: is speaking specifically based on Scripture. They have other documents

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Speaker 1: and other books that are outside of what most Christians

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Speaker 1: to believe to be the Holy Scriptures, So that causes

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Speaker 1: issues for a Christian to have those other documents. Having

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Speaker 1: said that, that's academic. Going back to your question, what

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Speaker 1: I would say is separate your faith from the relationship

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Speaker 1: in the sense that if you go and you experience

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Speaker 1: h church with them, you're and services, it's a different experience.

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Speaker 1: It's an all day affair. Correct. Yeah, it's a whole

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Speaker 1: different experience that way. And and as long as you

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Speaker 1: continue to be prayerful and thoughtful about your own beliefs,

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Speaker 1: just enjoy each other, and you know you can do

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Speaker 1: the same thing and invite her to your church as well,

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Speaker 1: and to understand each other. But unless there's you know,

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Speaker 1: questions that you're going to go back and forth on

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Speaker 1: or things like that, just love one each other and

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Speaker 1: one another and enjoy the opportunity to connect. It's when

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Speaker 1: one it's if you want to stay strict and understanding

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Speaker 1: of your faith, then you have to understand that when

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Speaker 1: they say a word and you say the word, it

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Speaker 1: may be two different things. So even though it sounds

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Speaker 1: the same, I will tell you what an amazing group

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Speaker 1: of humans they are.

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Speaker 2: They are in incredibly.

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Speaker 1: Loving and genuinely kind. And so I want to separate

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Speaker 1: these things because I think it's important the character of

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Speaker 1: the individuals, the heart of the individuals. You have to

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Speaker 1: take that and understand that it's theologically where there's differences

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Speaker 1: and they part ways as to who who they say

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Speaker 1: I am. You know, when people do formal debating, the

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Speaker 1: first thing you do behind the stage before everybody gets

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Speaker 1: out and has their time going back and forth, is

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Speaker 1: defining terms so that people don't get confused as to

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Speaker 1: what they mean. So if someone says Jesus and you

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Speaker 1: say Jesus, you go out. We both love Jesus, but

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Speaker 2: Jesus is the same as mine, Jesus.

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Speaker 1: But when you start getting into the theology, it's not

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Speaker 1: the same as mainstream Christian beliefs. Now having said that,

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Speaker 1: you can both be wrong, but you can't both be

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Speaker 1: right because there's contradictory beliefs. So that's all. But I

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Speaker 1: would say that the most important thing spend time with

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Speaker 1: love one another, take care of each other, understand each

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Speaker 1: other's faith. Wonderful, yes, yeah, absolutely, and and and allow

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Speaker 1: that to be your differences and and that's fine, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't change your love for one another, or the

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Speaker 1: enjoyment of connecting or any of those things. And just

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Speaker 1: you you can go in peace. Chris with that, but

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Speaker 1: there are differences that are important to mark. There really are.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't put them down as a people or people

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Speaker 1: And I don't want that to be heard because that's

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Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. I'm saying academically and theologically, they

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Speaker 1: are different. William, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 3: Jesus A long time listener, and I really appreciate your insight.

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Speaker 3: I have a theological question that I have wrestled with

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Speaker 3: for quite some time now that I was hoping to

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Speaker 3: get your perspective on. Okay, So I believe that people

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Speaker 3: are born with an innate sense of right and wrong

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Speaker 3: in other words, and the nature or nurture. It's the

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Speaker 3: nature that they have a moral compass. Sure, So what

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Speaker 3: I wrestle with is why I don't feel any sense

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Speaker 3: of direction when I think about religion. In other words,

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Speaker 3: when I think about Jesus Christ. Why there's not something

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Speaker 3: anything for me? I mean, do I have a moral

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Speaker 3: deficiency or That's the theological question that I've wrestled with forever.

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Speaker 1: Basically, well, let's parse this a little bit So you're

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Speaker 1: saying everyone knows murder is wrong. They don't need to

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Speaker 1: be taught that correct. Is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm saying that basically people have an innate sense

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Speaker 3: of right and wrong. Okay, murder would be wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I think that's a fair assessment that

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Speaker 1: the basics are there. Don't steal, don't harm, And you

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Speaker 1: know this to be universal because even a murderer believes

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Speaker 1: murder is wrong. Strangely enough, try and murder them and

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Speaker 1: they'll stop you. So they just believe that somebody is

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Speaker 1: worth taking the it's worth taking their life for whatever

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Speaker 1: reason they've made up in their head. But they don't

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Speaker 1: believe murder is okay. People that steal don't believe stealing

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Speaker 1: try and stop you. So yes, we'll give you that.

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Speaker 1: Now you're saying, why is there not the same guidance

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Speaker 3: Basically, yes, why don't I feel some internal direction, moral compass,

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Speaker 3: calling towards something with respect to you?

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Speaker 1: Do you absolutely do? One, you wouldn't be calling, Two

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't be listening to the show, and three it

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Speaker 1: would it would you'd be indifferent towards it. You're not.

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Speaker 1: You continue to search. Now, what you're looking for, what

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Speaker 1: you think you're going to find, may be wrong. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are many people that try to seek God out

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Speaker 1: to be some epiphany, and it's not like that necessarily.

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Speaker 1: And some people may have that epiphany, some people may

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Speaker 1: have a very powerful testimony something in their life that

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Speaker 1: motivated them, and others won't. So if you're looking for

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Speaker 1: is something to ping you, I don't know what that

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Speaker 1: might be. However, people seek God. Everyone seeks God. And

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Speaker 1: if they don't seek the capital G God, they seek

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Speaker 1: a lower case G God. They seek a God of science,

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Speaker 1: a God of understanding, a God of humanism. But people

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Speaker 1: seek God for a reason. They seek understanding about why

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Speaker 1: this is all here. Now you stop at the place saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: there's a moral compass, but stop there. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: ask why is there a moral compass? Why is it

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Speaker 1: wrong to murder? Why is it wrong to steal? Why

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Speaker 1: are anything any of those wrong? Where does that moral

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Speaker 1: compass come from? Is where you get stuck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I do believe that there's a higher power,

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Speaker 3: but I can't quantify it. I can't identify it. I

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Speaker 3: can't say it's Christianity or Buddhism or anything. And that's

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Speaker 3: what I grapple with. Why if there is one true God,

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Speaker 3: there's not something that pulls us towards the one true God.

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Speaker 3: Why are there so many different religions?

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Speaker 1: Well, quite honestly, that's just lazy at that point, William.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty of people that have gotten past the point

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Speaker 1: you are right now, that have done their studying, that

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Speaker 1: have looked and seen that they can't all be right

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Speaker 1: because they contradict each other. And to look at at anything.

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Speaker 1: Counterfeits are supposed to look like the real deal. So

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Speaker 1: if somebody handed you a counterfeit dollar bill, what would

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Speaker 3: That's the well experienced basically exactly, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's how they It's said that they teach bank tellers

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Speaker 1: to understand the real deal. They have them count real money.

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Speaker 1: They don't teach them about counterfeiting necessarily, They just have

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Speaker 1: know so. But you have to go through the process.

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Speaker 1: You ask yourself, does the paper feel right? It's a

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Speaker 1: you have to test. Scripture says test all things, hold

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Speaker 1: that's all. You kind of look at it and you continue.

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Speaker 1: Some people ask the question over and over because they

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Speaker 1: don't want to answer. William, you have to ask the

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Speaker 1: because from here on out it takes real work. For

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Speaker 1: someone like yourself. Some people get it right away, just

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Speaker 1: comes to them. But for you, William, you got to dig.

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Speaker 1: You got to do the work, and you got to

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Speaker 1: find out what is the content of the paper of

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Speaker 1: For all of these things or what you need to

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Speaker 1: ask to get to that next step. But that's on you. Pam,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ morning.

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Speaker 4: Good morning Jesus, thank you for your sacrifices, and thank

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Speaker 4: you for my life.

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Speaker 1: Praise God.

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Speaker 4: Yes, my question today is I've always believed that you

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Speaker 4: have written our day of death in our lifebook, whether

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Speaker 4: the journey is smooth or bumpy with accidents illness. Is

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Speaker 4: this true?

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Speaker 1: It's a super duper human way of looking at things.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a book in that physical sense or

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Speaker 1: that concept. Here's the thing. You can't ask a win

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Speaker 1: or where question of God. God isn't in one place right,

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Speaker 1: so you can't say where God's everywhere right. Likewise, you

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Speaker 1: can't say when, because God is in every moment. So

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Speaker 1: when it comes to questions like this, you have to

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Speaker 1: stretch the old brain and wrap it around some pretty

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Speaker 1: heavy concepts. And one of those is you've already died

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Speaker 1: to God.

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Speaker 1: So God sees everything as one big fat thought. It's

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Speaker 1: like one all of it's all everything that will ever

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Speaker 1: happen has already happened. So this it gets even crazier.

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Speaker 1: If you will be in heaven, you already are in.

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Speaker 4: Heaven, okay, right?

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Speaker 1: Wow, uh huh isn't it. I mean, because God is

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Speaker 1: outside of time. There is no yesterday, today, and tomorrow

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