WEBVTT - 1-7-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.640 Week here already first week almost in the books, or 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:04.720 at least halfway there. I'm being an optimist, I mean 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.160 an optimist. This kind dropped yesterday during the swearing in 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.719 of many city officials. In order to address a thirty 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.360 two million dollar budget deficit in the coming fiscal year, 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.880 Mayor after a Purevall, wants city Council to place an 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:21.040 income tax, a payroll income tax, on the twenty twenty 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.639 six ballot, meaning if you work in the city, you 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.759 will get an extra tax there. The money is going 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.680 to go towards public safety and what he called disrupting 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:33.360 poverty whatever that means, affordable housing, investment in underserved neighborhood, 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.199 support for minority owned business and like Jeff Kramerding is here, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.920 council member and of course chair Budget and Finance. Happy 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:39.960 New year, Jeff, welcome back. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.440 Good to have you. Hope you had a good break. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.240 I did. Happy New Year, It's great to be back. 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.640 Yeah, all right, So there's a lot going on here. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.200 I think people will immediately hear new taxes and they blosh. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.960 The big picture is compared to peer cities, hell, compared 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.000 to Ohio cities, Cincinnati is still pretty good now. I'll 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.680 put a asterisk next to that simply because we also 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.400 have of the county taxes we have, you know, pop 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.839 property taxes are driving people crazy. Right now, we're paying 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.200 museum taxes, school tech and let you add it all up, 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.920 and it's a pretty good chunk of money. But the 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.800 bird's eye view is that comparatively speaking among peer city, 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:16.280 Cincinnati is still pretty good on this. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:17.839 Right yeah. 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.679 I mean, just from the city and perspective, we are 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.040 very good. You know, all of our most of our 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.760 revenue comes from the earned tax. We're at one point eight, 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.600 all of our peer cities in IRA at two point five, 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:36.280 So there's substantially bringing in a higher tax rates than 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:36.880 we do in the city. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.880 Of same time, though, you look at how much people 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.760 are going to pay more in property taxes and you 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:43.640 just you feel the bite. You can look at the 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.319 numbers and go, hey, that's great, but it seems like 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.120 I'm paying way more than that I should be at 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:49.680 this point. And I'm sure you're sensitive to that. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:51.240 I am I I. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.320 I understand, I understand that. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.200 And then going to or door and talking to voters 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.160 that that is a dynamic. But you have sit us 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.960 that are frustrated by you know, by and by litter 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.400 and by other issues. And you say, well, we've got 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.280 to keep our ark tacks artificially low. But the tacks 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.280 are too high, so that puts us in a. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.360 Very difficult spot. Put it is the reality, and I 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.000 understand it well. 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.360 And I think this is again the timing of this 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.640 is kind of suspect too, or maybe not prime. And 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.440 that is we just had the shooting of that eleven 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.480 year old girl on New Year's Day at Laurel Park, 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.079 and two and a half years ago we had another 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.160 eleven year old boy that time murdered at the same park. 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.920 And the idea in September was, hey, we're going to 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.359 appropriate all this money five point four million towards public safety, 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.600 which may add to this issue of the thirty two 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.840 million dollar budget episode get into a second, But the 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.400 takeaway I think for residents is hold on just a second. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.440 We were spending this money. You gave you one hundred 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.519 and fifty million to put cam one hundred and fifty 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.080 thousand rather to put cameras in around this park, and 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:53.800 we haven't done that, and no one knows why, and 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.360 no one knows where the money is, and there are 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.000 a lot of unanswered questions I had and all beyond yesterday. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.200 She was confused by this. I'm sure you are as well. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.320 And so the optics of this, Jeff Gramerding, are that, well, great, 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.400 they're going to take more money in my paycheck. But 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.799 are they actually responsible with the money that I'm giving them? 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.600 Now, that's a fair question for yes. 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:18.600 First, I mean, what happened to the children is just unbelievable, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.680 a terrible trategy that has to be addressed. It's important 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.280 that this has been and this has been a long 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:26.239 term conversation. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:26.960 It has to be. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:31.680 This conversation began with the Cincinnati Future Session when business 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.880 and civic leaders came and looked at the city's budget. 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.920 The report which was very thorough which people should look 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.600 at as a since the Futures Commission I came out 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.360 in twenty twenty four and said that there is a 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:45.240 very real need. 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.000 The city's budget. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:51.360 Is not sustainable and they recommended two earning saxes, one 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.520 point five to sustained as city's budget and one o 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.080 point one for housing economic development. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.040 So this work has been ongoing. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:07.200 For two years plus, from my perspective, is dragged. It 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:08.840 needs to be picked up and needs to be at 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:14.000 a more deliberate pace. And this conversation is not directly 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.839 related to what happened to the tragic incident. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:19.400 Yeah, it isn't, but I think of the minds of 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:23.000 voters like, well, wait a minute, there's no accountability for 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.359 the money that was already allocated for the cameras, and 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.720 now we've got literally have blood on hands. Is a sense, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.680 because I don't know if it would have prevented the 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:33.240 murder of this poor girl, this child, but it's certainly 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.840 not good from an optics perspective that one hundred and 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.840 fifty thousand dollars supposed to go to cameras and no 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.920 one knows who is responsible, why it's taking some there's 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.560 just literally no answers. And then you come back saying, hey, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.120 by the way, we're gonna hit you with a payroll tax. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:45.800 It's not a good look. 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:51.840 Yeah, I understand that a coming. Once again, it's important 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.800 to frame this in the big picture and what this 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:54.760 money will go for. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.920 Keep in mind that the futures commissioning a very small arny. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:01.320 That's the still a hole. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.520 Uh, that's an existing gap in our budget. So I 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.400 want to be very cautious. You know, if we're talking 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.919 about a very small earnings tax, we're talking about filling 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.000 that whole continuing. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:12.320 Service as there is. 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.880 There's certainly no money for increased police or increased fire 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.440 or increase public safety. So I mean, we just need 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.960 to be very careful what we're promising to frame this 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:23.640 very important, large debate. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.440 Okay, so people hear this and go, all right, public safety, Yeah, 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.600 we got to spend there. And disrupting poverty and neighborhood 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.280 investment and affordable housing is big. But disrupting poverty and 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.840 support for minority owned businesses and people deserveively. So look 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.000 at it and go what talk about accountability? Where's that 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.520 money going? Is it more programs? 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:45.839 Is it? Is it satisides? 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.920 Is it just unaccounted for cash And we're going to 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.240 we're going to pay off some people basically to disrupting poverty. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.799 Going uh, okay, it's one of the root causes of violence. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.359 But I also think that that is demeaning in a sense, Jeff, 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.680 because the idea is if you're poor, you're going to 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.440 turn a criminal activity, and that's just simply not true. Yeah, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.359 a lot of the people who commit crimes are poor. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.080 But there's a lot of people who are below the 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.320 povert lint, are close to it, that are suffering, that 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.200 don't resport to criminal activity. The idea that we have 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.600 to pay people not to rob is I think that's insulting. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.240 I agree, and I think as far as we talked 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.360 about part of the earning stacks used to sell a 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.520 whole and part of it will it would be looking 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.920 back to since any future commission talking about economic development 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.760 and housing, they proposed a point one for economic development housing. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.880 The largest bucket of money I was for housing economic 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.039 development in neighborhoods like Christville and Bontel where the city 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.120 of CINCINNTI does not have the resources to create the 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.479 development that we want. So I think that the development 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:51.400 like that, proactive positive development is critical, is the foundation 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.520 for of any crime, and that's what that should be 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.240 the core around any earning stack. In any conversations around 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:57.400 earning stacks increase. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.560 Tell some member Jeff Kramert in a chair Budget and 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.040 Finance talking about the proposed payroll tax that I have 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.680 to have mentioned yesterday and you've got about I think 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.320 sixty days to come up with a plan for this 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.720 whole thing. Correct me if I'm wrong with the city. 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.600 We operated without deficits through COVID, and there's federal money 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.160 there too. But what's specifically changed in the past year 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.480 to create this thirty two million dollar hole. The rumor 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.120 is it's police overtime, it's the crime issue. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.880 I would say that that that's not correct. Police overtime 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.880 is a big factor. But you know, this is the 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.440 city's budget being unbalanced is the reason I decided to 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.160 run for council four years ago. This, you know, you know, 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.400 going back in this is in the Futures Commission. We've 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.320 been operating on about a twenty five million dollar deficit 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.320 a year and a year out and we always find 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.240 a way to paper overage. And this is going back, 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.480 you know ten years ago now the state government cut 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.120 what is called the state and local government bucks. Heard 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.560 the city Cincinnati. It hurt other cities, that hurt all 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.840 the townships. In townships and cities had an make tough decisions. 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.040 They had either to raise taxes or they had to 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:03.960 cut services. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:05.320 Painful, but they did. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:07.640 Here in the city sin Sanni, I say, we did 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.520 what we always do the cucin Sanny, we put our 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.239 head in the sand. And hope the problem would go away, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.640 but it had, so this problem has continued to grow 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.280 a year and every year. You mentioned the federal stimulus dollars. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.920 We get that money from Washington, which let. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.440 Us paper it over for a couple of years. After that. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.960 From a revenue perspective, the city has just said boom 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:27.880 years the last couple of years, and that's let us 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.160 payer over. This deficits. But the problem remains. So we 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.200 can either be proactive and address it now or wait 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.960 till there's a recession, which will happen at some point 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.120 and the city's be looking at very very real custo 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.280 and basic city services and possibly layoffs. So that's the 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.080 reason I want to get proactive. Put a proposal in 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.360 front of the voters, give them all the information, put 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.760 our budget out there, which I understand nobody's aware of 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.120 the realities right now. We need to make voters citizens 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.959 aware of that and let them make a conscientious decisions. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:08:58.839 All right. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.240 So London, James Johnson declared the war on poverty back 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.319 in the nineteen sixties. We saw how that worked out. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.680 Yesterday the mayor aftered Puirreval said this money, the thirty 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.360 two million good chunk of that is going to go 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.920 to public safey, but also disrupting poverty, what does that mean? 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:19.560 Can talk about what disrupting poverty means to him? From 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.880 my perspective, any earning sec needs books on housing, and 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.679 he can out development in neighbors where there's not development occurring. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.400 To me, that would be critical to turning around his 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.080 neighbors and reducing crime. That's where I'm going to be 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.680 as this conversation develops, and that's where I would encourage 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:36.160 others to be. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.880 Yeah, that just kind of scares me because that's just like, Okay, 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.719 it feels good, but what does that mean disrupting? But 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.840 we're trying to disrupt and pay people not to be 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.040 poor for a long time. It's not working jobs in 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.520 the initiative, work seems to be a bigger issue, and 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.880 certainly affordable housing fits into that as well. And I 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.760 think people hear that and they're a little bit curious 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.280 at the very least as to where their money's going 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:58.800 to wind up going because it doesn't hit you in 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.319 the pocketbook. So if crime doesn't drop or we don't 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.439 crush poverty, which isn't going to happen in affordable housing, 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.240 has not as materializes. How are you going to measure 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.280 that success? You know it, we'll put throw money at it. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.720 But it seems there's again back to the accountability issue. 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.680 I think that's critical here and that seems to be 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.000 a thread throughout the conversations we have, whether it's poverty 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.240 or crime is we'll take the money, will spend it, 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.720 but there doesn't seem to be that much accountability. If 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.719 it doesn't work out, what happens, I. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.679 Think, well, first of all, I think people should look 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.400 at the Future's Commission because I think that there is 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.199 a lot in there, and I think that we'll tell 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.800 people that this is a very solid foundation to begin 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.679 this conversation. You know, there's some stuff in there that 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.840 is probably going to be a non starter. There is 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.960 definitely there is recommendations for a trash acts. There was 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.840 a recommendations to sell some golf courses and green spaces. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.920 We received a lot of negative and immediate feedback on 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.520 those proposals, so we heard residents. But I think there 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.480 is a lot in that people will like and will 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.839 lead to positive change to the neighbor And that's me 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.280 part of the conversation and how you structure it When 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.920 we did the railroad sale, we promised to put all 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:13.000 that money into trust and lock box. That's been overwhelming successful. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:14.920 I think everybody read that with a wise move. That 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.120 money is still in a lock box protected by city 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.240 ordinance and state ordans. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:21.000 So if you're. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.760 Talking about an earning sex economic development, how thing you 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.200 can do it the same way. So, yes, how we 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.960 do this is be very important. The accountabilities can be 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.240 very important, and that's me part of the conversation that 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.520 has to be part of the conversation for where's. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:35.920 The line, Je crame and you're doing this right and 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.240 then driving people away? If you make seventy five grand, 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.880 you're going to pay something like one hundred and ten 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.000 extra a year, one hundred and fifties to twenty five. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.439 We're crunching some numbers in the newsroom and this is outlier, obviously, 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.400 but someone like Hunter Green would pay an extra sixty 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.680 seventy thousand dollars here because of this, is there a 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.160 concern you're going to drive out the desperately needed quote 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.320 unquote rich people that we often I have, well, just 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.439 tax the rich more. But what happened and as we 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.400 saw in New York and other areas they move out 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.760 is Kentucky Mason And are they becoming more attractive to 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.080 people who are hiring income earners and what does that mean. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.040 For this Yeah, I think there's there's two points. First 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.720 of all, the business community I believe in the city 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.040 is very sensitive that are and for business leaders like 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.800 Tim Spence, it's a third to come together and say, yes, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.400 this modest tax increase, this modest earning SAX increase makes sense. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.280 I think that says a lot when business leaders say 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.120 this makes sense, we need this development, we need some 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:36.760 more money. So that was the first thing. I think 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.560 having the business community involved at the outset without politicians 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.800 is critically important. And secondly, I'll point out, as we 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.360 discussed at the outset, that our earning SAX is much 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.880 lower than any of our city. So, uh, you know, 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.319 using that logic, every everybody's choosing Cincinnati over. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:54.640 Columbus and Cleveland. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.320 Even with these increases, this takes me much lower than 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.360 the other cities, so we'll still be winning compared to 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.160 our other peers, right. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:03.480 Yeah, honesty. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.559 That's fair too, is that you know, business is moving out, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.120 and that's what the concern is. We've seen some high 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.720 profile businesses move and it might be because of crime, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.440 but this just adds another reason to do that. 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.760 That's the scary part for you guys. 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.880 Yeah, I agree with you. You don't like to raise taxes. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.679 That's a factor. But I think, uh, having a safe, 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.920 vivor liberal city is going to be more important for 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:32.080 businesses and equally important for potential employees than a sect. 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.480 But that's only part of the conversation looking forward. I 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.120 don't want to wet over that and say it's not 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.559 a factor. It's definitely got to be part of the 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.880 conversation as we've perceived the next couple of months. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.200 Yeah, is the is the timing on this a little 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.520 bit sus in the sense that hey, you just got 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.160 re elected, things are going, and now we're going to 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.600 hit you with this tax literally days. That's the same 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.720 day that everyone is has been sworn in. Uh, then 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.559 you want to get this going within sixty days. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.960 So the reports came out in the spring of twenty 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.480 twenty four. There was a conversation about going about into 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.199 twenty four two years ago. There is a conversation about 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.800 going to about in twenty twenty five last year when 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.240 we are on the ballot and there is never enough 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.760 consensus to do that, which is fine, this has to 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.680 be done right, but you know, raising taxes, talking about 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.360 taxes is there's never going to be a perfect time. 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:27.720 So at some point of the city we're going to 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.840 have to decide to do this, be bold and aggressive and. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.640 Put something before the voters. 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.440 You know as a politician that this is not going 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.560 to be popular, This is not going to be this 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.320 is not going to be a fun conversation. I realized 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.080 that I knew what I was getting into, but it's 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:45.119 one that the city. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:45.640 Has to have. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.240 So I am not wedded into going in the spring 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.760 or the fall. But you know, I will point out 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.760 that this is now drug on for two years. I 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.680 want to get it right. And if there's hard conversations 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.720 went on, if people around the table really look at this, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:00.920 that's fine. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:02.000 But if we're. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.040 Just waiting for the sake of waiting, then I think 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:05.160 that's unacceptable. 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.560 One of the things the Futures Commission call FORER was 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.880 a trash collection fee. It's never been done. Resalizing the 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.800 water works. That's going to require voter approval, obviously, and 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.640 those are difficult politically because it just feels like you know, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.280 he here's another tax. One of those go on the 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.960 belt because voters might might ask reasonably, why should we 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.920 approve a tax increase, wanting to try other revenue options. 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:27.280 The Futures Commission recommended. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:29.800 Yeah, so there's a lot of recommendations. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.440 As I said, I mean, I will not lie. The 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.720 trash check received a lot of negative feedback. So you know, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:41.200 I've noted that waterworks. You know, that's very complex. It's 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.280 going to take a lot of stepths. That's not a tax, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:48.400 but some sort of regionalizing water works and so it's 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.480 not solely under the city. You know, that's complex, but 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.760 there's no reason we should not start that conversation. You know, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.960 these are again difficult conversations, but you know we're here 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.480 to have difficult conversations. So I say, think, I know 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.400 that before this conversation, people are going to want to 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.760 know that many things are ongoing, including looking at water, 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.000 including looking into the pension system Solvent. The Office of 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.040 Strategic Growth definitely was a focused point of the Futures 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:19.040 Commission that has not been done. I would expect there 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.680 to be quick progress on that front before this thing 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.360 get gets to the mental because that's one a critical 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.480 item that was in the Future Commission. There are other 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.320 items in there that are equally important that we're going 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:30.520 to have to have progress. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.080 On and make this work. 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.080 Yeah, and the Future Commission did the report. You got 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.320 sixty days to put something together per the mayor to 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.040 get it to voters. Hopefully it becomes more clear, because 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.080 we honestly deserve to know what disrupting poverty means. And 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.320 you know, neighborhood investment and support for businesses and that 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.160 those are all vague and there's got to be more 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:52.520 specifics to that whole thing. Otherwise it just feels like, Hey, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.640 you're asking for money and there's going to be no accountability. 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:55.720 Hopefully you can get that address. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.480 Jeff Cramerting share a budget and finance with the City 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.840 of Cincinnati councilmember. Thanks again of the time, appreciate it. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.480 Oh, it's great. Great to be with your listeners. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.600 See well, thanks, We've got to get a news update 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.960 in and I know it's coming at you in all directions. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.520 The big picture, of course, is yeah, these city taxes 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.280 are relatively low compared to other cities in Ohio and 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.359 certainly peer cities, so there's room there, but no one 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.840 wants to pay more taxes, and especially you know with 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.440 property taxes and the county digging into your pocket a 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.399 little bit more. You know, you start talking about now 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:27.960 I gotta pay for trash, I gotta pay for this. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.320 That it all adds up, even though the technical it's not, 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.119 you know, it's just another tax. I don't care what 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.200 they call it, but it just feels that way, and perception, 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:42.439 of course is reality. Saloney seven hundred wlw selony here 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:48.719 seven hundred WLW Welcome to it. I just said, this 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.040 is a that's kind of funny thing in where's this? 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:55.159 In Wales? They they've had an issue now for the 0:17:55.240 --> 0:18:00.000 last number of years where like random shoes start walking 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.680 ushing up on shore and you go, okay, that's from 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.240 a obviously a shipping container or something. The shoes are 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:10.840 from the Victorian era. About that like Victorian era's shoes 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.439 because they have the cobbled nails in the bottom, and 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.199 they identify the spever and then and they just like 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.680 occasionally I'll find some more shoes. They have no idea 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:20.879 where they're coming from, and a lot of the shoes 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.119 actually are in good condition. Now figure that one out. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.560 You know, typically you see that, and this is kind 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.560 of maybe a little bit gory. On the West coast example, 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.280 they'll find shoes, like, you know, fairly newer models and 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.040 the like, and there will sometimes be like a toe 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:37.600 in there. They go, well, what the hell hat well, 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.000 you know, by someone may have jumped off a bridge 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.560 or died or whatever. And what happens is the sea 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.879 critters when we call them sea critters around here, by 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.440 the way, that's what they're known as sea critters, because 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.960 you know, I'm also a marine biologists with technical name 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.880 is seacretter. They'll just eat everything down and not get 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:55.760 inside the shoe, and that would happen. So yeah, that's 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.760 kind of gory, right, But there are other times where 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.000 you have a storm or something, a cargo ship sinks, 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.199 a cargo container falls over during a storm, and eventually 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.280 it starts rusting and the you know, things will start 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:06.760 leaking out. I think we have like some i know, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.120 some toys or dolls or something like that that they found. 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.800 Is kind of creepy, but okay, that is fairly recent. 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.760 You know, salt water and steel, it's not going to 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.760 take that long to eat through that. However, you're something 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.960 going well over one hundred years. All of a sudden 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:23.679 you look at it, go wow, these are you know, 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.680 and they're in pretty good shape. It's just the weirdest thing. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.920 And they can't figure out where they're coming from or why, 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.440 but they just continue to occasionally wash up and got 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.200 a pair of you know, ancient shoes that are right there. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.600 Someone look like they're in pretty good shape. Actually, believe 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.000 it or not. Welcome to dry January. By the way, 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:43.879 This is dry January. And the kids love them some 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.480 dry Januaries, and that is not you know, some people 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.240 experiment they going, hey, you know, I party too hard 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.200 over the holidays, and I got to back it off 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.439 a little bit here, and you know, start because it 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.160 doesn't make you feel all that good if you are 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.080 drinking every day, and so you have there are some 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.000 people who wet januine where maybe it's just you know, 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:02.680 one day a week or a weekend or whatever it 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.800 might be, whatever works for you. But I think it's 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.600 kind of quaint because you know, we just had and 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:09.120 I'm going to try to get somebody on from rhein 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.040 Geist here tomorrow to talk about this because Michael Why 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.720 just banned the CBD infused you know, beverages for the 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.120 state of Ohio, which I think is a bad totalitarian, 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:22.919 nanny state, non traditional Republican kind of move, because clearly 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.520 many Ohioans want the beverage and the governor said no 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.200 and gave really no reason as to why he was 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.359 going to line Item veto that whole thing, which is 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:34.680 causing a lot of distillers and in this case brewers 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.280 to pull their hair out because you're starting to lose 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:38.000 market share. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.439 I don't know if you know this or not, and 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:40.439 this was kind of news to me. 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.679 I know that you know drinking is an I wouldn't 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.680 say it's frowned upon, which sounds kind of, you know, 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:47.960 pro clutchy, But I don't know if you knew the 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.320 numbers behind this, And this is just it goes to 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:54.840 show you how things change in America. That we are 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:59.680 now at a ninety year ninety year low for alcohol consumption. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:05.160 Ninety years, you'd have to go back to the late 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:09.159 nineteen thirties to find drinking levels at the levels they 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:15.760 are right now. And it's especially big among younger people 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.399 too Gen Zers, and now right now we don't know 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.679 because they're too young. But Gen Alpha, the alpha generation 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.720 behind them. Even there's an indication and being again that 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.320 this trend may continue, it's unpresent. You have an entire generation. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.919 Gen Z is our huge generation, entire generation that's just 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.359 not interested in drinking. And it's not primarily about health 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:39.040 for them. They just are not interested because they're finding 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.639 their social connections and stress relief and entertainment doesn't have 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:47.159 to include alcohol in ways that previous generations didn't. And 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.760 I'd imagine it has to do with the digital connection 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:55.560 right where you're on your device, you're on a gaming headset, VR, 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.000 whatever it might be, and you really don't need to 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.840 drink to socialize out that they can have a good 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.160 time without that, which is the dream of many, many, 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.879 many teetotalers for sure that this day was coming, but 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.680 it is. The problem is what happens to the alcohol industry. 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.320 I mean, we are right here in the heart of 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:15.359 Bourbon country. What happens in twenty years if this trend continues, 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.879 You're going to see a lot of distillers wind up closing, merging, 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.359 whatever it might be. And I would say the same, 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.639 we're kind of like at peak microbrewery right now. Local 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:29.120 breweries are facing a just a huge challenge right now 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.199 with the economic environment, especially with the notion that you know, 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:36.359 the next generation of drinkers aren't drinking, and we've seen 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:42.360 just unprecedented numbers, huge generational shift away from alcohol, and 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:43.840 I think it's you know, there's a lot of fact 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:45.960 I mentioned social media, but I also think too that 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:49.320 the non alcoholic alternatives out there are just so big 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.439 right now, the mocktails, if you will, but also the 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.440 fact that now years ago, I remember when oduleS first 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:56.240 came out with oduels was like the first non alcohol 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.760 beartic and you try and went, yeah, you kind of 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:04.320 i'd have worse tasting alcohol beers, but it's not like, Wow, 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:07.880 I really crave an o'duels. But the technology has changed 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:09.920 so much that there's so many products out there. Heineken 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:11.719 but particularly I try to guin Us. I think it's 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:12.080 ginn a. 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.280 Zero and it was really good. I mean it. 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.440 You know, there's a little bit of a taste difference, 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:22.080 but not not in a bad way. And if they're 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:24.119 able to do that, and then you're like, Okay, well 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.520 I was drinking for the taste before, but also the 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:30.159 buzz i can do that, and maybe you know, I'll 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.280 do an edible or something like that and just drink 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.840 no alcoholic beverages and still feel better about myself because 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.600 there's a huge health consciousness element to this as well. 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.280 But also the decisould scare the rest of us too. 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.919 As we talk you of debate over affordability. And of 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:44.720 course you know Amy Acting by the way, just named 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:48.240 David Pepper, Cincinnati's David Pepper, a long time Democrat, is 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:52.600 her running mate and the gubatorial race against Vivek Ramaswami. 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:57.119 And I look at this and go, okay, well, you 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.600 know the battle's gonna be over in the present. Saying no, 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:01.560 everything is affordable, it's just a lie. It's a myth. 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:02.399 You know what. 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.280 You know when it comes No one's gonna tell you 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.320 about your personal finances. You know, if you feel the 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:10.280 pinch about the economy and you think, you know that 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.040 you have to tighten your belt because prices are high 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.280 for stuff, then that's the reality no one's gonna send. 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:17.159 No one is going to tell you otherwise you know 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.960 your personal economic condition. Some people, you know, the stock 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.280 market could take even more. And even though we're seeing 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:27.080 record highs right now and really not feel the pinch, 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.560 right you can iay, I've got to pay a couple 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:31.080 of bucks extra for hamburger. 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:33.000 You're not gonna fail. And there are people out there 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:33.240 like that. 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.560 But generally speaking, people feel squeezed, and that is also 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.920 true with gen Z. Right now the financial twenty percent, 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.080 two out of ten say I just can't afford to 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:45.480 drink on the regular. Every once in a while, maybe 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:47.440 I might have a glass of something that's buy and large. 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.119 I'm not doing that. So we have a historic decline 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:54.160 and alcohol consumption in this country. Fifty four percent Americans 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:58.040 fifty four percent drink alcohol in twenty twenty three, So 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:01.239 three years ago, I would say two years ago, uh, 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.800 sixty two percent went from sixty two to fifty four, 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:07.960 sixty two and twenty twenty three, fifty eight and twenty 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:09.280 twenty four and fifty four. 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:10.560 Now in. 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.920 The end of twenty twenty five, and at this trend, 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:16.639 you're going to see this, you know, the numbers go 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.920 down in a ten year period, easily double digits, right, 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:22.520 That's that's incredible. 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:24.600 The largest single dip and drinking. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.960 We're seeing a ninety year low as far as alcohol goes, 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:33.359 and forty four percent of Americans plan to drink less 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:34.400 this year. 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:37.240 Largely young people are driving this. 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.639 I think the cutoff is going to be the cutoff 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:43.600 obviously would be millennials, especially the older millennials. And you 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:46.480 wonder that you look around, you see all these you know, microbreweries, 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.879 and you know, in the day and agent, we know 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.480 about restaurant and beverage, restaurant and food. 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.680 I mean, restaurants generally don't hang around long. 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:58.280 I mean, look at Taste of Belgium right, just filing 0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:01.480 bankruptcy protection in that place. I mean just a couple 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.919 years ago, it's absolutely booming, multiple locations all over, and 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:07.159 now they've they've completely taken that model down, and so 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:11.040 tastes and interest change rather quickly in that sector for sure. 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:13.720 So you know, looking ten twenty years out is damn 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.040 near an impossibility of what the public is going demand 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.280 because we're very fickle of what we want to put 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.840 in our mouths or drink for that matter, drink or eat, 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.320 So we just don't know one order. 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:25.280 But it makes it wonder like, what is the bar? 0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:26.960 See what's it going to look like in twenty years 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.200 if that, if that trend persists, are you gonna just 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:32.439 see bars closing left after right, because no one is 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:34.840 doing that anymore, or are you going to see all 0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.359 you know, non alcoholic joints open up, which you already 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:39.320 have to some degree where you're gonna be able to 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.320 open a quote unquote bar and not even have a 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:44.240 liquor license because no one's drinking alcohol. And if that's 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.000 the case, you go, well, why the hell would you. 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:46.440 Go to a bar? 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:50.800 I don't know, there's still the social element there among 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:52.920 those who do drink. By the way, in that drinking number, 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.760 only twenty three percent had a drink in the past 0:26:55.800 --> 0:27:00.000 twenty fours. That's a record low. Man, there's still twenty 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.080 twenty three percent of people still having a drink a day. See, 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.960 that just seems weird. That seems really weird to me. 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.560 You know, back in the day, people would drink a 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.480 lot of al and liquor and spirits because the drinking 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:13.320 water is unsafe. 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:14.320 Well, we don't have that problem. 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.320 We haven't had that problem in like forever pretty much 0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.600 for almost everyone listening, I would say, and so yeah, 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:21.520 you would get your ration of you know, if you're 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:23.560 in the military, you get a ration of ale simply 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:25.720 because the alcohol kill all the nasties off and you 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.600 know it that that water was at least pure. But 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.040 you know, according to people cabinet one drink a day, 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.800 that's that's still pretty high. I would think, say it's 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:37.320 more than it's been more than a week since their 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.040 last drink. That's the highest number since two thousand and 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:43.000 the average number of drinks the lowest since nineteen ninety six. 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.200 It was three point eight and twenty twenty four or 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.840 now down below to two point eight right now, and 0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:51.000 that number continues to drop. That is that's absolutely amazing. 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.119 So you know, you talk about dried January, it's dry January. 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.200 It seems like it's dry January through December, and maybe 0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.080 that is the one big month world young vibrary. You 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.080 know again is against at you from you know, having 0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:03.440 a beer at a ballgame or at a picnic or 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.239 something like that, a cookout barbecue. Okay, yeah, probably not, 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.919 but it certainly is interesting dynamic. If you break it 0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.480 down by generation, and that is a percent planning to 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:17.479 drink less this year. Gen z as I mentioned far 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.280 and away sixty five percent, but millennial is about sixty 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.119 percent plan to drink less this year. Forty nine percent 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:27.280 gen xers baby boomers plan to drink more thirty Only 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:30.439 thirty percent say of baby boomers. Are older generations say that, 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.800 but my generation about we're about fifty to fifty right 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.080 now planning. I'm not planning and drinking more or less. 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:37.439 I just drink when I want to. And I know 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.720 some people are hung up about drinking. Some people, you know, 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.440 want to keep it clean and pure and pick their spots. 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.800 Other people may be predisposed to alcoholism or just don't 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:47.120 like the way it makes you feel. I get that, 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.880 But yeah, I don't have all the thing of vices 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.080 in my life. One of them is not alcohol necessarily. 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:53.880 I like having a good bourbon or beer or whatever. 0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:57.320 I'll go where the vibe takes me. But I don't 0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.280 really schedule out my drinking, and like. 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.200 By half of us do that. I guess as well too. 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:09.360 Among different races, Nonspanic whites down eleven points. People of 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:14.880 color studied about fifty percent, and that is the lowest 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:16.840 of all groups. And I guess it gets back to 0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:20.680 that affordability issue, I would think anyway. So but but 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:22.400 despite that, you know, there's still, as I said, there's 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.040 alternatives out there. I think that's the other thing. You've 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.800 got the super premium well tequilas and bourbons and things 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.320 like that. You're going to see that grow, Actually, I don't. 0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:34.640 I the new trend is tequila. I guess eight percent 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.719 projected growth in tequila. I don't know if that's at 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:39.960 the expensive bourbon I'm not quite sure. Ready to drink 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:43.680 cocktails that's up like twenty percent. So the pre mixed cans, 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:45.840 if you will, what is it? 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:46.280 Cutwater? 0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.360 I think they do a lot. And there's companies do that. 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.120 Some of are goods, some of them are not good, 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.120 like anything else. Ready to serve as our eight and 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:55.320 alcoholic beer though nine alcoholic beer is up twenty two percent, 0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.800 but the overall category of beer is down a half 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:01.760 more than a half percent and dollar sales and so 0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:03.400 you're seeing a huge shift here when it comes to 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.440 drinking that younger generations are prioritizing physical, mental health and 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:12.880 savings as well, and a lot of social media influencers 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:14.960 are promoting alcohol free lifestyles because you know, it's all 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:16.720 about looking good, and I guess part of looking good 0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.920 would be feeling good too. But that changes certainly the 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.080 landscape of everything we've come to know when it comes 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.960 to how we live here, that's for sure. That's sure 0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:28.959 coming up at ten o seven. His name is Ken 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.120 Kochinelli Eno. If you know this, it's kind of wonky, 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:33.080 but I think good for the first week back here 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.520 to talk about this and the election integrity project. Governor 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:38.600 Dewin just signed in the law Senate bill, I think 0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.640 two ninety three out to get my note on that one, 0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:45.719 I believe two nine to three, which would allow us. 0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:47.400 Now it's going to essentially what it's going to do 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:51.120 is if your ballot doesn't get in by election day, 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:51.720 it doesn't count. 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.400 And there's a case both ways for this. 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.680 But Ken Is said he's the guy who was behind 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:58.760 this movement and is going to take a little bit 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:01.040 of victory lap coming up at six this morning here 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.960 on the Big One, seven hundred WLW in the Scots 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:07.480 Loan Show. Later on Julie Bouki's here of course as well. 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:12.480 And also talked to Steven eyed Is back about mental 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.120 health care laws. And you know, we were just discussing 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:19.720 yesterday the Rodney Hinton case and it's determined that the 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.200 court is determined and the experts are determined that he 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.960 is not going to face the death penalty because he 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.240 was legally insane. I guess at the time that he 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.080 murdered the deputy. I don't know if I totally agree 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.120 with that logic there myself, but nonetheless, we have not 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.440 seen the death penalty used effectively in a long time, 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:36.880 so it's kind of a mood point to say we 0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.680 have a death penalty doesn't really matter. Life in prison 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.920 seems to be the best you can do, and at 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.720 least we hopefully there's hope that he will never see 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:46.720 the light of day again, and that would be the 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.400 dream of many, including the family of Larry Henderson and others, 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.640 if not the community. But the idea that some people 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.240 go in and get treatment in prison, that we know 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.520 that not to be true, and you wonder if stronger 0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.000 And this is not to make a vicar of the 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.040 murderer of Larry Henderson, not at all. But you know, 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.760 the best way to stop talking about these horrific things 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.640 and these acts is is to secure the problem. And 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.040 for a lot of people it's mental health. I mean, 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:12.840 look at this, this kid who broke into a kid 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.240 he's twenty six, looks like he's ten. He's twenty six. 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.560 Here the kid who smashed the windows at Jade Vanson's house. 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.720 His mom was on the news last night. Seemed like 0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.240 a well adjusted, normal lady, I guess. And you know, again, 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:27.040 mental health certainly knows no socioekon boundaries. You could be rich, 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:28.840 it could be poor, black, white, doesn't matter if people 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:30.480 have metal health issues in this country, as you know, 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:33.440 and it probably is struck in some way, shape or 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.200 form anyone listening, whether it's a family, friend, neighbor, cowork 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:36.920 or something like that. 0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:37.480 It's scary. 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:39.800 And her son was, you know, when he was on 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:41.920 his meds or as he was doing well, he was thriving, 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:43.760 I guess, and this is one of the times where 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.000 he wasn't. Took a hammer and did twenty eight thousand 0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:49.960 dollars for the damage to jd Vance's house. And she said, 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.240 now it wasn't political law. It could have been any house, 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:53.840 as a lawyer said, political haw. It could have been 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.080 any house, could have been Anybody's just happened. He picked 0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.520 the wrong house. And jd Vance is because that's going 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.120 to carry a whole bunch of federal charges. He's looking 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.800 at decades in prison for that act, which I don't 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.080 know if the judge throws that at him. 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:05.280 Or not. 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:06.760 I'm not quite sure. But again it's back to the 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.160 mental health issue, and that's probably true. That's true with him, 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.920 it's true a lot of folks, including Rodney Hinton. But 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.320 you wonder, you know, if we simply got we got 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.160 away from that whole thing where we would take people 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.800 maybe like that where they should be on. I don't 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:25.120 know about the Jdvans guy, but in this case with Hinton, 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.720 we know that he is suffering from a very serious 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:32.040 mental illness in bipolar disorder, you know, schizophrenia, things like 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.000 that that need serious, serious medication. But if you don't 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.239 take your meds, and you can't force someone to take 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.520 their meds, what's the alternative. Well, we have all these 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.400 people on the street. You add in the homeless as well. 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.800 It's a huge problem. You know, if we just simply 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.920 bring back the institutions to house folks like this where 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.560 they could literally make sure they're on their medication and 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.240 post a dangerous society, maybe things like this don't happen 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.120 in the future. They will, but maybe not to the 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.280 extreme that we see that. Anyway, there're two stories just 0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:58.920 you know, in the last week or in the last couple 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.680 of days, for example to illustrate that. So we'll get 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:03.800 into that. At about eleven oh seven this morning, I 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.160 get a news update, and as I said, Ken Couchinelli's 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.120 here changing election law. Excuse me a little bit in Ohio. 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:13.440 We'll do that next year. Seven hundred WW Cincinnati to Manican. 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:18.440 It's scott'sone show on seven hundred WLW. It is Ohio 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.480 Senate built two ninety three, and that's going to set 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:26.560 new restrictions for absentee balloting voting in Ohio. Number of things, 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:31.480 a climate, improves efficiency, voter confidence, and it would basically 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.279 what happens in Ohio have four days after election day 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:35.480 to have your vote counted. 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:36.759 This would change that. 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:38.960 I think thirty seven other states I believe, have that 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.759 right now, where if the ballot is not received at 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.880 the Board of Elections by election day itself, it's it's invalid. 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.560 And that is part of Senate Buil two ninety three, 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.440 which has now been signed by the governor. Ken Kuchenelli's 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.640 a former Trump's staffer and former Attorney General of Virginia 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.879 and he's with the Election Transparency Initiative joins the show 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:57.239 this morning. 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:57.480 Ken. 0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:57.960 How are you. 0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:00.879 I'm doing well, he's changed his name. 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:05.720 You can well, for one, particularly as the postal service 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:09.520 gets worse and worse instead of better and better, the 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.800 logic of ending elections on election day becomes clearer and clearer. 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.240 You know, you can go back twenty years to Jimmy 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:22.000 Carter and James Baker. They had a bipartisan commission that 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.799 they found that the most the form of voting, most 0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.759 subject of fraud and problems was mail in voting. And 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.720 if you cut it off on election day, not only 0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:38.360 do you find out who won your elections on election 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:43.160 day instead of the having the four day waiting period 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.400 in which so much conspiracy theories take place from both sides. 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:52.720 By the way, that you also have voters whose ballots 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.839 are showing up earlier who if they make mistakes, can 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.759 actually cure them. You can't cure them mistake after election day. 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.640 You can only cure it before election day. 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:03.880 So this would. 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:10.400 Also lead to fixing more mistakenly cast ballots, something that 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:14.480 doesn't get talked about very much. And as you noted, 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:19.400 it's thirty four other states that really end elections on 0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:24.360 election day and at Election Transparency Initiative, as our name implies, 0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:29.040 we believe transparency is critical to the confidence in elections, 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:33.480 and when you drag elections out past election day when 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:39.440 you don't need to, that confidence begins to drop pretty precipitously, 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.960 and that has real effects on whether people show up 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.640 in the first place and turnout. And so we think 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.040 Center Built two ninety three would be a tremendous improvement. 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:54.960 And also, by the way, establishes cleaning up of the 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:59.919 voter rolls every month. And as I mentioned, you can 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.240 fix You can fix mistake and ballots before the election 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:06.280 that you can't fix after the election. It's not legal. 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:11.040 Isn't that the burden though on the voter and consequestion? 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.040 How many people are actually going back and realizing they 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:14.960 made a mistake. What are the numbers on that? 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:21.680 So it isn't that the people realized they made a mistake. 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:26.040 That the clerks get to process the ballots before election 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.799 day and they find that voters made a mistake and 0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.319 they can contact the voter and if they can come 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:37.600 in and fix the mistake, for example, they didn't fulfill 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.920 the requirements of the envelope the ballot has to come in, 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:46.520 they can fix those things. And obviously all of us 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:50.040 who want it to be easy to vote and hard 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:53.440 to cheat. Want people to be able to fix those mistakes. 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.080 So I don't know the exact numbers in Ohio. I 0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:01.800 do know that curing is allowed and that your clerks 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.280 do what they can to make sure the people who've 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:08.600 made those sorts of errors get the chance to fix them. 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.279 So they can't do it on or after election day. 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.360 On election day, they just don't have the manpower. After 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:16.120 election day, it's too late. 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.600 Keny also said that you know this is about the 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:23.240 mass slower and selver mail service, but just still punishes 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.839 people though, because if mail service is slow beyond their 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.480 control and they still don't get in by election day, 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.640 that's even worse instead of that four day grace period 0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:35.120 that they would give you. And consequently, it doesn't that 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.400 disproportionately impact rural voters with slower mail service, or the 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.319 disabled or elderly voters, working class vote or something like that. Yeah, 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.560 at the same time, there's an exemption here that allows 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.120 that four days to stand. For soldiers who are serving overseas, 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:48.120 why just exempt them? 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:55.719 Well, because for several reasons, One, they have no choice 0:38:56.440 --> 0:39:01.279 but to vote by mail, whereas for most people who 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.880 use voting by mail in Ohio, they do have the 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:05.920 choice one and two. 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:07.719 They're coming longer. 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:14.759 Distances because they're overseas and deployed, So there's some rationale 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:15.080 to it. 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:15.759 I would tell you. 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:19.840 What if what if you work overseas well? 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:24.680 Those folks are left in the same posture before and 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:28.719 after CENTEFIL two ninety three, that four day stays for 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:33.440 both military and and resident overseas voters. 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:35.800 Gotcha, okay, so it applies to them. 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:40.319 I don't know this thing is then you find out 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.239 who who wins on election night. 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.279 That's a big deal. I mean, think about. 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.760 Look, I'll point to Florida. Florida is the third largest state, 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.160 and people on both sides of the aisle continue to 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.759 be amazed that an hour after the polls closed in 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.480 Florida they throw six million votes up on the board. 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.760 How do they do that? They do that because votes 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.040 have in before election day that they've processed, right, and 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.239 so they can have them counted during election day and 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:11.400 be ready to put that up. And both sides appreciate 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.440 that that takes an awful lot of the guests words 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:19.080 suspicion out of the process of ballot processing. A lot 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.000 of it and I would also note in Virginia, you 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.799 know my most Democrats, so I'm a Republican. So people 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:31.040 might think, well, some must be some Republican. Well, the 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:37.239 director of Elections and the most Democrat voting district in Virginia, Petersburg, Virginia, 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:44.040 has for years been recommending to people in her city 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:49.560 that they not ever mail about it ever, that they 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:52.240 do anything they can to bring it in in person 0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:58.040 or voting person because of how many every single election, 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:02.640 no matter how early they mailed them, just never show up. 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:05.840 And that's been that's been years in the making. 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.680 So look this, but this is not about that. 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.720 This is about I don't really care about those states. 0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:12.880 I care about where I live Ohio. 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:16.920 And work, but the postals. But but the reasons for 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:20.319 it are universal. The reasons for it are universal. And 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:22.359 I use Florida as an example because it's such an 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.680 enormous state and yet they managed to process all those 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:30.200 ballots by an hour after the post close. And and 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.239 look you've got You've got tens hundreds of thousands of 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:37.600 people voting by mail. And if they they're not stupid, 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.680 I don't assume they're stupid. I know Mike Dwain. We 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.239 serve as Attorney's General together. I know he doesn't think 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.880 people in Ohio stupid, and they're going to shift forward. 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:50.440 They're voting, if they're male voters, to make the deadline. 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.080 They're not dumb, they're smart. And they're also going to 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.400 by doing that, get the opportunity in the in the 0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:02.200 event they make mistakes on their ballot to be able 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.719 to correct those. So this is going to get more 0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:09.560 votes in the ballot box, some of which the estimate 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.960 I understand out of Ohio's around the thousand that would 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:20.080 otherwise be uncounted because of the estates and how they're filed, 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:22.360 will have the opportunity to get cured. 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.200 And you know. 0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.080 That's that's not a big number. 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.120 But we've had races to seven by a thousand in 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:29.520 Virginia and where you know. 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:34.600 We've had close ones here in Ohio. Absolutely. Ken Kuchinelli's 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:38.120 here on the show on seven hundred WLW. He's with 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.040 the Election Transparency Commission, and Mike the Wine just signed 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.759 the law sentate Bill two ninety three that would aid 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.640 any transparency of election spending. To look at this thing, 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.560 and one of the caveats would be to eliminate the 0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:51.799 four day gray spiard after elections. To have your ballot count, 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.800 it have to be in and counted prior to election 0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:57.120 polls closing for that to occur. And it's kind of 0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.759 a that's kind of a minor point, but I guess 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:01.440 you have thing too, would be well, if the election 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.280 were that close, and we've had, as you said, close elections, 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.480 and the way as divide as we are in this country, 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.320 will have even more close elections, I guess in the 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.719 near future. But if that's the case, wouldn't I just 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.439 automatically trigger a recount? So it puts everything on hold. 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:21.320 Anyway, when you have elections that are within the margin 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:24.400 of the recount, of course that happens, but that doesn't 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:29.440 even determined until you've got your ballots in and their counting, 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.960 and you can know that election night if you have 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:35.719 all your ballots in and I say all your ballots in. 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:39.840 Of course, we've already talked about military and overseas voters 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.680 still get the four days, but the proportion of the 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:49.280 balloting that comes from those folks is extremely small, extremely small. 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.719 And let's say that the majority, the vast majority of 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:57.040 those votes are already in by election day, So with 0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.800 the other votes not lingering after election, it's the tune 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:04.200 of tens or hundreds of thousands of votes, you know 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:08.319 immediately if you're heading into a recount situation. And I 0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:13.320 would say, look, we've seen the hyperbole that flies around 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:17.160 after elections from both sides. You can look at Stacy 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:20.240 Abrams and Georgia in twenty eighteen, you can look at 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:26.880 how people felt about the twenty twenty outcome, and this 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.640 trace is back all the way really to Bush v. 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:35.040 Gore in two thousand, right in some aspects of those 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:39.200 complaints are often legitimate and some aren't. And you mentioned 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.799 this bill does a couple of small things. Elections are 0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:45.760 made up of hundreds of small things, and this bill 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:49.959 would help clean up and clean up Ohio elections, firm 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:53.080 them up, and make them more transparent on election day 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:57.000 when people expect, whether you and I think it's reasonable 0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:01.120 or not, when people expect to know the outcome, and 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:08.279 you know, matching the process to citizens expectations is a 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.000 way to build confidence in the outcome of the election, 0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:14.800 no matter who wins. And that's that's a major goal 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:16.840 for the Election Transparency Initiative. 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.080 But that's also Ken that's also kind of undermined when 0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:21.840 you have people that are talking about how, you know, 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.239 if you lose the election. Let's talk about what Trump 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:26.520 did last time, right he lost the election, I was 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:28.360 you know, was stolen basically, and we still have the 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.799 Mipellow guy out there that's pretty much lost everything and 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:33.360 he's still banging the drum for this stuff. 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:34.320 It's never been proven. 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:36.360 I think that underminds it more than things like this, 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:40.359 don't you. 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:46.280 This is what legislators and governors can do to build 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.560 the confidence up, and they have to work with how 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.080 their process really works. They don't get to just say 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:56.000 whatever they want. And you can use the twenty twenty example. 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.600 I started with Stacy Abrams. We can go back all 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:02.560 the way to two thousand and the Bush vy Gore 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.600 and this has been both sides of the aisle at 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:09.000 various points in time. Hillary Clinton didn't concede she lost. 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:13.319 Perry mccaulloff didn't conceive that Hillary Clinton lost, you know, 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:16.160 for years and years, and suddenly that was treason when 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:21.200 Donald Trump wouldn't wouldn't took the same approach. So you know, 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:25.600 this bill treats everybody the same. It changes the rules 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.720 before the election in a way that voters can understand. Again, 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:33.719 we respect intelligence voters and we expect them to respond 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.640 to the changes in the process. And the more states 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:40.120 that start doing this when it is presidential elections at 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:43.800 state the only elections that cross state lines, then we'll 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:46.520 know the answers to the answer to who the next 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:51.280 president is more quickly and will eliminate the paranoia period 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.200 between election day and when ballots are finally counted. 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.719 Is that I mean, is their census might be mooting 0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.399 sent because I know that the court I think Fifth 0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:05.040 Circuit ruled Mississippi's grace period violator federal law right because 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.640 election includes receipt of ballots that only applies in three states. 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:10.319 The Supreme Court yet to rule on this. So is 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:14.040 this here in Ohio can preemptively elinating voter access based 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.400 on speculation about what Scotus might do? And if Supreme 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:18.719 Court rules the other way, then do we need to 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:19.719 we have to under the law? 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:22.560 Should we wait till it's till's still rules? 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.319 First of all, this bill doesn't eliminate voter access. It 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.960 improves voter access. You seem to assume that no one 0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:31.680 will adjust. 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:34.600 Well, you could just it's easy to fix us and 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:36.120 just go, hey, you know what, here's kind of like 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:39.839 Christmas shopping. Here's when you're shipping gifts, or like Amazon says, okay, 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.000 here's the drop that if you want your package arrive 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:44.759 before Christmas. Uh, it's well average. We could do the 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:46.840 same thing and not eat a bill, isn't it. I 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:48.720 mean you're just telling people to vote earlier. 0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:54.360 No, well, to do what you propose is still require 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.000 a bill, but for your listeners benefit, you're correct. The 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:03.040 Fifth Federal Circuit, which is Mississippi and Louisiana, ruled recently 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:07.960 that in federal elections, so even year elections happening in November, 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:12.400 because they can only rule on federal law and federal elections, 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.800 that the election must end on election day, meaning all 0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:20.360 ballots must be received by election day. That's the Fifth 0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:23.640 Circus interpretation of federal law that has been appealed to 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.440 the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has taken the case. 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:30.080 We don't know how that case will come out, but 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:34.640 you are correct for federal elections that if the Supreme 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:39.920 Court upholds the Fifth Circuit, then all even year elections 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.440 are going to end on election day. And what you 0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:47.640 and I are talking about is going to become the law. Well, 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:51.080 it will have been acknowledged as having been the law, 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:56.439 but not enforced across the country. So it doesn't mean 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:58.960 it applies to all your state elections or any that 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.320 you may have in the spring at local and so forth, 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:05.400 those kinds of things. But it would apply to federal elections, 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:07.800 which will be the even year November election. 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:12.280 Ken Kuchinelli at the Election Transparency Initial, appreciate you answered 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:12.840 my questions. 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:14.480 Sure, glad to do it all the best of you 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:15.160 be well. 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.920 Thanks again, And that is the law signed by the 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:19.560 governor right now. So it's going to change a little bit, 0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:20.839 a little bit. Anyway, I've got to get a news 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:23.319 update in run a little bit behind. What do we 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.480 got on the way here? How about Julie Bouki our 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:28.600 career shurpas. She is coming up next on the show, 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.839 some career advice for you from the woman herself. That's 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:34.480 next after news on the Home of the Red seven 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:36.000 hundred W wellw. 0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:44.200 Helping you put the big P in profession. Here's our career, sir, 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:46.960 Julie Bauki. First one of. 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.160 The new year, where our good friend at Julie Bauki 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:54.040 and we today's our anniversary who we've been together the 0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:54.880 most marriages? 0:49:54.960 --> 0:50:02.080 Last Yeah, twelve years ago we had our first regularly 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:05.520 scheduled segment. Not that we hadn't talked before then. This 0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:10.919 is our anniversary of our of our regularly scheduled segments. Yeah, 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:12.160 so happy adversary. 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.120 Happy adversary to you. Yeah, I'm not quite sure. Twelve. 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.440 What is twelve? I think is cement? I think I'm 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:18.400 not sure it is. 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.920 Yeah, well it doesn't feel like a day over fifteen anyway, 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:25.439 Julius here, she's our career Shirpa on the Sconslan Show 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.840 on seven hundred WLW, and we always talk career related stuff. 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:30.960 I saw this over the holidays and wanted to bring 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:33.520 it up because I think it's intriguing that there are 0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:35.839 a number of states right now that have something called 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:37.879 a pay transparency law. 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:38.799 Can you talk about that? 0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.640 Yeah, nineteen out of twenty states have what they call 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.680 a pay transparency law. And what it means different things 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.600 in different states, but in general, what it means is 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:51.439 the company's over a certain amount of employees, and again 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:57.440 that number varies by stakes must share or advertise when 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:01.080 they advertise a job they must say here's the salary 0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:04.080 range for the jobs. And then in some states when 0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:07.319 you post an internal job, you also have to you 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:12.120 have to make salary ranges available of your organization for 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:16.360 your employees as well. Now, most people who worked in 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:19.839 any sort of company of any size are pretty used 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:24.719 to the idea of salary ranges and pay bands or 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:26.480 whatever they call you know, whatever they call them. Where 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:29.480 you are, it gives you a feel for where you 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.719 land in that pay band. So it gives you a 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.759 feel for what your potential is within that pay band. 0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.360 What's the highest, what's the lowest, what's the mid range? 0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:42.560 Ahl old HR jockeys are very very aware of this, 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:45.640 and it's just this is one of those things that 0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:49.400 I look at and say, why wouldn't you have pay transparency? 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:53.839 Why wouldn't you want people to know what the pay 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:56.160 range is for their role? And the only reason I've 0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:59.200 ever thought of is it's if you want to keep 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.719 it hidden and pay people as little as you can. 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.319 And that generally happens a lot of times when there 0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:08.200 is we do the stance when we interview, well, what 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.160 is what's the salary range for the vision of what 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:12.040 are you currently making what are you looking for? What's 0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:17.600 the salary range posission? And it's not It is just doesn't. Yeah, 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:21.759 it doesn't create trust or transparency. And if you are 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:25.600 not proud of the way that you are that you 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:28.319 are paying your people and where you sit in the 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:32.080 market to other competitors for that talent, then maybe you 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:34.760 should do something about that instead of trying to fool 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:39.600 people who there's so much conversation now about salaries between people. 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.440 It's not the taboo topic it used to be. That 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:45.280 they're going to find out anyway. If you can't justify 0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:47.560 it for the market and for what you're trying to 0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:49.719 do in your organization and make that a part of 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:53.319 an interview or a conversation, I'm not sure what we're 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.480 trying to do here. I don't think that I don't 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:59.319 think that bodes well for your future with the potential employee. 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:02.799 Yeah, and I again, because business is trying to save 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:04.719 every penny they can. That's a negotiation, you know, if 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:06.520 you're buying same buy the same thing with buying a car. 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:08.320 The car dealer has a number, You have a number, 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:10.560 but you kind of got an idea how much the 0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:13.200 car of the actual resale the real shore retail price 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:15.200 of the car is and you negotiate around that. You 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:17.399 really don't have that on the job. What about things 0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.920 like open door that have kind of leveled of playing fill. 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:21.120 How accurate is that stuff? 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:23.719 It's pretty good, Blackdoor. 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:25.480 I think you're talking about glasto. What did I say? 0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:26.239 It's pretty good? 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:28.560 You know, I think you have else. 0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:34.160 I think you have to take anything you see online 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:36.560 with a grain of salt. One of the things that 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:43.400 really is helpful from an employee standpoint is that because 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:47.480 people are so well connected online, you can go out 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:49.279 and read, you can talk to people who used to 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:52.040 work there, talk to people work there now. But what 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:56.000 you can also do is you can take a look 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.120 at what other companies are paying. So if you're a 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:03.120 claim to adjust sure at a company and you say, well, 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:05.440 wait a minute, I wonder, am I I've been here 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:10.240 a long time? Am I being paid fairly to market? 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:14.279 That's what you should be comparing yourself to, not the other, Yes, 0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:17.360 to the other claims adjusters that you know, but also 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:20.200 what is the market paying. I think for all of us, 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:23.360 because we now know that we're very much in a 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:28.319 tactical relationship with our employers, which means that two weeks 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:31.359 pay for two weeks work and then we renegotiate. It's 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:34.319 much more tactical than relational. I think you owe it 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:36.680 to yourself to take your product to the market, and 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.360 what I mean by that is through the product and 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:41.520 by taking to the market, at least do some research 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:43.520 if I were to leave here, and what would I get? 0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:46.320 Because who happens sloany? Which is just and this is 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:49.759 where people find out and they just you know, just 0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:53.440 it's just horrible. Is that I've been doing this for 0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:57.560 ten years. You just hired somebody to do the same job, 0:54:57.680 --> 0:54:59.799 sit next to me, and you're having me train them, 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:03.080 and you're paying meet them more than me. What So 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:06.640 that also has to be a look at what what 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.480 kind of equity do you have? What's in the salary equity? 0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:13.360 Is it performance based, is it value based? And what 0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:15.880 do you have inside your company? And how do you 0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:18.640 feel about that? Internal people have to take a look 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:22.000 at what is our what's our what are our salaries 0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:25.680 look like? Internally? Are we taking care of our long 0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:30.440 service high performers or are we doing me I'm just 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:31.960 going to hope they don't find out. 0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:36.600 Method Yeah, and I think our organization is obviously reluctant 0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:39.399 to change that. That's driving this too as well. It's 0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:42.400 the pay transparency issue right now. So what nineteen or 0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:48.200 twenty states have it? By the way, I guess like Novada, 0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:52.520 New York has a Maryland, Illinois and Minnesota obviously, uh 0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:55.719 in Ohio, I know that Toledo and Cincinnati also have 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.840 limited pay transparency ordinances. Anyway, I don't know how you 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.600 can unforce that specifically in the city but state wide 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:06.640 to be a different issue entirely. But I guess this is, 0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.000 you know, the genius is in the details with how 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:11.000 you do this whole thing. The idea here is to 0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:13.560 close the pay gap, but one employees just find new 0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:17.399 ways to keep those disparities through bonuses, their equity or 0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:21.399 different types of conversation because because what happens is there 0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:24.040 are people that are big, big performers, and guess what, 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:26.000 you want to keep those people employed with you, and 0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:28.440 you're going to try and do that. What if that 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:32.680 exceeds the window that you had posted. So it's again, 0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:35.040 it's such a it's such a fluid thing that I 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:37.480 don't know how this work. If it's it's actually going 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:39.160 to do what's intended to do. Let's put it that way. 0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:42.919 Yeah, And unfortunately, inside a lot of organizations, the left 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:44.960 hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. And 0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:48.120 there isn't that internal look. It's just always been and 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:51.560 traditional leadership was just I'm going to call it traditional management. 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:55.200 So the leadership has always been pat me on the 0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:56.919 head and I'll tell you when you're ready for a raise. 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.520 And you don't need to know that stuff. Yeah, they do. 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.759 There is each individual, it's their career and they have 0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:07.200 every right to and have as much information as makes sense. 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:09.000 Do they have the right to know what everybody else 0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:11.920 makes of course not, but they If you can develop 0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:16.560 a culture with trust and transparency that people in general 0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:20.600 believe that you are, that you are treating them billy 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.240 in the market and compared to their peers for your 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:26.960 performance and experience level, you will have a very very 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:30.720 engaged employee who will be very very happy to help 0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:33.880 recruit other great employees to you. And so it's it's 0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:38.640 this let's let's keep everybody in the dark approach. That 0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:42.440 doesn't work anymore because the market is saying otherwise, and 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:45.960 people are talking about their salaries and they're talking about 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:48.880 what they pay, what each company pays, and so if 0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:51.800 you're sitting in Ohio or a state without a salary 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:56.480 transparency law, people that live here can go look at 0:57:56.520 --> 0:58:01.000 job postings all over country and they can get a 0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:04.160 good feel for, in general, what the market rate is 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:06.840 for their skills. And so even if you don't have 0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:11.720 it in Ohio, technology helps us really figure out what 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.240 we're worth now this and then you know, if you 0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:17.000 find out that, you could leave. And I've had clients 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:19.240 do this where they say they go back to their 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:24.920 to their employer and say, you know, hey, look I 0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.400 just got approached by another company, or I just got this, 0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:32.000 or I just got that, and I'm finding that there 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:34.520 are lots of companies out there who would love to 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:37.919 hire me or double what I'm making now, or ten 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:41.200 percent more than i'm making now. It's a risk to 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:44.440 have that conversation, and you have to really have your data. 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:48.080 But if you're not a strong performer, that's a double 0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:51.080 risky question. That's a double risky conversation because that could 0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:54.520 turn into there's the door, right, and so you know 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.680 you have to be really careful. But if you don't 0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:59.479 advocate for yourself, no one else will just don't ever 0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.880 in conversations emotionally. You want to go in armed with 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:07.640 information at make it a business proposition. Yeah, you know, Val. 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:10.520 Yeah, And I think that's true. 0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:12.600 Again, it's incumbent upon you to try and get the 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:14.920 best deal possible for you with the information that you have. 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:18.040 I don't know if mandating pay transparency is going to 0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:21.320 do that, because I mean, if you look at wage growth, 0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:24.680 for example, is there a concern that that's just transparency thing? 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.600 Pay transparency issue that's been mandated by some governments and 0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.400 states and it's catching on now, so almost half states 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:32.880 have some sort of law on the books involving pay 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:36.760 transparency and a scale for what your job pays. I 0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:38.920 think a couple of things. Number one is we're always 0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:41.960 changing jobs. People in school today are training for jobs 0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:43.920 that are yet to be created, so that that's a 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:47.000 whole new twist there because we just change and pivot 0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:49.840 so quickly because of the nature of capitalism and our economy. 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:53.160 Yesterday's job isn't guaranteed, and tomorrow's job we don't know 0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:55.439 what it is, but it'll be something. And I think 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:58.200 there's an issue that this could suppress those wages if 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:02.200 if now you're anchored to these ranges rather than competing aggressively. 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:07.040 Yes, absolutely, you know it's an internal look. Organizations have 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:09.240 to do an internal look at pay equity, but also 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:13.320 they need to do compensation surveys. Either compare themselves to 1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:17.080 the people or i'm sorry, the organizations against which they 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:20.960 compete for talent. And that's really important. You've got to 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:24.760 make sure you're comparing apples to Apple. And it's not 1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:28.120 enough to say, well, you know, there aren't many jobs 1:00:28.120 --> 1:00:31.400 out there, so nobody's going to leave because they're turnover 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:34.480 so low. Oh, believe me, when things pick up as 1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:37.520 they always do, your best people are the ones that 1:00:37.560 --> 1:00:40.800 will have those opportunities. And is it worth it? Is 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:47.160 your employee relations strategy just simply I don't know, I 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.200 think my people are too lazy to go find something 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:53.120 else or you know, I mean that has a terrible 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:56.520 way to have an engaged workforce that's bringing their best 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:57.400 skills every day. 1:00:57.560 --> 1:00:59.600 And that's probably the rule rather than the exception that 1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:01.120 that kind And it's like, hey, listen, you know what 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:02.720 I got. We got to figure out a way how 1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:04.479 to get to ten percent profit this quarter? 1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:04.680 Right? 1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:07.160 You know that means throwing bodies out the window and 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:09.040 paying people less. We're going to do that because I 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:11.560 got to hit my numbers. That's how the generally, that's 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:14.240 how the system is built. And then of course, you 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:17.880 know what about highly compensated employees where their pay exceeds 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:20.640 the posted range because the job title is always changing 1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:22.680 or whatever. You know, how do you how do you 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:25.440 retain and attract top tailent at that level? 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:29.560 Yeah, and so there you will find in a lot 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:32.920 of organizations. You will find that there are people that 1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:35.400 have been there for a very long time and have 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:40.560 continued to be promoted to be given more pay in 1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:45.720 terms of balery, and their pay is higher than the 1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:49.280 value they bring to these organizations. And that is what 1:01:49.960 --> 1:01:52.360 That is a real tough one because when you start 1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:56.720 to get into we're paying for longevity and service versus 1:01:56.760 --> 1:02:00.240 performance and value, then you will get to that position 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:04.320 where you have people who are way, way, way higher 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:07.440 than they should be. And I've been in situations in 1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:10.880 each R where we've had to say, look, here's the situation. 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:15.800 You can either take on more responsibility or we can 1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:18.480 freeze your pay. We can keep you where you are. 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:21.320 Show that in the market, data show that they are 1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:25.240 paid very well, in fact overpaid. And just this that 1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:29.160 I have thirty years experience just doesn't fly anymore because 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:31.600 how much of that experience, as I always say, is 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:35.040 still relevant and of value. Today institutional knowledge is only 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:35.760 worth so much. 1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:38.640 There's some Julie BUCKI some demanding and I don't know 1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:40.680 if there's just in other states. Is that like they 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:44.440 really want to be very transparent about pay. That with 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:48.720 pay transparency, that the law should be expanded beyond job 1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:52.480 postings to require disclosure of employees' actual pay. And I 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:54.880 think of that going well, okay, now everyone knows what 1:02:54.920 --> 1:02:58.920 everyone else is making, is completely transparent. I couldn't imagine 1:02:58.960 --> 1:03:01.959 the line at the HR director's door of people coming 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:04.280 to bitch and moan because someone else is making fifty 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:06.440 cents more or you know, I mean one of those 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:08.680 things you're gonna be You're gonna be putting fire without 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:10.960 all the time. That's all you're gonna do is start 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:13.480 to Again. You can get too granular in this, and 1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:16.760 I think that the lawmakers are suggesting that are they're insane, 1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:17.360 is what they are. 1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:20.080 No, that's right, because they've been I guess into price 1:03:20.120 --> 1:03:24.640 the issues. Yeah, and there's so many elements that go 1:03:24.920 --> 1:03:29.160 into what someone said, and then you start getting into well, 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:31.240 you know, I do half a Fred's. 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:35.920 Job, right right, yeah. 1:03:35.800 --> 1:03:39.320 Yeah, yeah, no, so that's I think that's that's ridiculous, right. 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:40.919 I don't think that's going to do much to close 1:03:41.000 --> 1:03:43.440 the alleged pay gap that there as well. But I 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:45.480 mean a lot of this is incumbent upon the person 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:47.480 seeking the job. You should know what your value is, 1:03:47.560 --> 1:03:50.280 what the what the dynamic for that position pays, what 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:52.400 part of the country. And obviously, if you live in 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:54.800 West Virginia and doing a job and you move to 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:57.840 midtown Manhattan, you're going to be making a lot more 1:03:58.000 --> 1:04:00.560 more and vice versa because of the nature where you live. 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:02.960 All those things have to come into play as well, 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:06.640 and it's upon you to determine what your value is, 1:04:06.720 --> 1:04:08.800 and then you know whether the what they offer you 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:11.560 is acceptable. You know, there's always been bait and switches 1:04:11.560 --> 1:04:13.480 where you're not, well, we're not sure with the job, 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:14.800 and then you know you've put all the time in 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:17.200 the interview and you find out that well, this doubt's 1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:18.840 paying peanuts and I wasted my time. 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:19.840 So there's that side of. 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:24.400 It, Yes, exactly, and that's so important. Why wouldn't you 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:27.320 give your hiring give a range and then people can 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:30.360 decide can I operate in that range or can I not? 1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:33.920 And then when you are asked employer, you're entering your 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:37.760 acts about salary, even if they say what were you 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:40.960 making in your last role? My advice is to always 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:43.520 talk about what salary you're seeking in this current role, 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:47.280 because there are times when people have been in industries 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:49.440 that didn't give in, that didn't give a raise for 1:04:49.440 --> 1:04:52.200 five years, and so they are truly behind market, and 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:55.080 so people shouldn't be vitalized for that. And so I 1:04:55.160 --> 1:04:58.120 always say say something like, based on my market research 1:04:58.840 --> 1:05:02.520 and other you know, and other search that I've done, 1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:05.640 it seems that the pay for my level of experience 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:09.280 is sixty five to seventy five, even if you're sitting 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:11.280 there making fifty eight, because you know, you work for 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:14.120 a company that pays really low. So it's really about 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:17.640 market value. It's not necessarily just about what you were 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:21.240 making in your last job, because that's what that's what increases. 1:05:21.920 --> 1:05:26.400 The gap is when you stay down because you are 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:30.520 constantly you start low and then even the raise isn't 1:05:30.560 --> 1:05:32.640 going to get you up to where up to where 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:34.800 you want to be, because you're starting with one foot, 1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:36.880 you know, not one foot behind the line there. 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:40.560 Yeah, as the case may be, so is your would 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:42.760 your advice be to just leave the thing the way 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:43.000 it is? 1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:43.439 Right now? 1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:45.240 Do we need these portray pay transfer? I mean you 1:05:45.360 --> 1:05:46.840 kind of have it in the in the public sector 1:05:46.920 --> 1:05:49.800 obviously because it's public money. But the private sector feels 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:51.600 different to me. And they all adage about you know, 1:05:51.680 --> 1:05:53.720 women make less than math. Well, there's a lot of 1:05:53.720 --> 1:05:56.880 reasons behind that math as well. I mean, the whole 1:05:56.920 --> 1:05:59.560 idea that you're paying someone less simply because of their 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:02.800 gender is you know, I'm sure there's still some holdouts, 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:04.919 some people that believe that, and as they die off, 1:06:04.960 --> 1:06:08.200 you know, those those values change. But by and large, 1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:09.680 you know, if I ran a company said wow, I 1:06:09.720 --> 1:06:12.720 can pay a woman a third less for doing this job, 1:06:12.760 --> 1:06:13.720 I wouldn't hire a guy. 1:06:13.760 --> 1:06:14.680 I just hire all women. 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:18.520 Then they're gonna rise. 1:06:19.240 --> 1:06:19.920 Well no, I'm just. 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:22.920 Saying, yeah, yeah, it's like I pay you based on 1:06:22.960 --> 1:06:24.920 what you bring to the table, what your experiences are 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:25.360 and the like. 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:27.040 You know, so as it should be. 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:30.680 Yeah, yeah, but pay transparency, that's where it's at in 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:35.680 twenty twenty, we hit the wrong button. Now, Sorry, I 1:06:35.720 --> 1:06:37.400 had to cut Julie off because I had to mention 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:40.840 this real quick, Julian, My apology. Southbound seventy five right now, 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:44.760 between Mitchell and the seventy four split, it is absolutely stopped. 1:06:44.800 --> 1:06:45.880 There's a jackknife truck. 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:48.080 I mean literally, I'm looking an image of a semi 1:06:48.120 --> 1:06:52.480 here and it is completely perpendicular to the highway and 1:06:52.520 --> 1:06:54.720 they've got some three or four toe trucks there right 1:06:54.760 --> 1:06:56.840 now trying to move that thing. So everything is stoped. 1:06:56.840 --> 1:07:00.960 Southbound seventy five between Mitchell and the sevi four split 1:07:01.280 --> 1:07:03.760 is completely shut down right now. So if you're headed 1:07:03.800 --> 1:07:06.680 that way, you want to avoid that area. Details coming 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:09.200 up in news that's about six seven minutes away here 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:10.840 on seven hundred WLW. 1:07:11.280 --> 1:07:14.680 Do you want to be an American idiot? Got flown 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:16.440 back on seven hundred WLW. 1:07:16.920 --> 1:07:19.520 One of the big, big problems we have with critical 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:22.880 mental health in this country, specifically OHIOI and in Kentucky 1:07:23.640 --> 1:07:27.560 is that healthcare is it's really hard to find a 1:07:27.600 --> 1:07:30.440 bed if you're in a mental health crisis. And Ohio 1:07:30.520 --> 1:07:32.439 Governor Mike de Wins, matter of fact said that over 1:07:32.600 --> 1:07:35.680 ninety percent of the state's psychiatric beds now are being 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:40.000 occupied by people referred to or demanded by the courts 1:07:40.120 --> 1:07:43.840 to have a mental competency test. And the problem with that, 1:07:43.920 --> 1:07:46.760 obviously then is that if you are someone who is 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:50.840 not involved in criminal activity and forced by a court 1:07:50.880 --> 1:07:54.280 to have a psychiatric exam or a psychiatric stay, you 1:07:54.320 --> 1:07:57.320 can't find a place to get treatment yourself. And it's, 1:07:57.400 --> 1:07:59.800 as I said, not new. It's just not unique to Ohio, 1:07:59.840 --> 1:08:02.120 with happening all over the country. And Steve and I 1:08:02.280 --> 1:08:04.800 is here with the Manhattan Institute. They're a think tank 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:07.200 and came out of the new way to maybe approach 1:08:07.240 --> 1:08:10.000 this subject and fix it. Although it seems like you 1:08:10.000 --> 1:08:12.320 guys come up a lot of great ideas, Steven, and 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:15.040 the government is reluctant to take those good ideas and 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:17.439 do anything with them. But you gotta keep trying, Steve, 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:18.240 and welcome are you. 1:08:18.960 --> 1:08:20.320 I'm great, Thanks for having me, Scott. 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:23.040 This topic of mental health care in prisons, I think 1:08:23.080 --> 1:08:25.760 it's pertinent today now more than ever because of what's 1:08:25.760 --> 1:08:28.479 happening to Rodney Hitt and of course accused of murdering 1:08:28.840 --> 1:08:31.400 Deputy Larry Henderson in May after his son was shot 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:34.439 legally and lawfully by police officers because of committing a 1:08:34.479 --> 1:08:37.599 couple of felonies. And you hear about how now he's 1:08:37.640 --> 1:08:39.720 going to be found not guilty reason of insanity. He's 1:08:39.720 --> 1:08:42.799 going to face life in prison. And that is the reality. 1:08:42.800 --> 1:08:44.920 The family has accepted it reluctantly, and I think the 1:08:44.920 --> 1:08:47.880 public has reluctantly. But what is likely that someone like 1:08:47.920 --> 1:08:49.439 that gets the kind of treatment they need. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:53.519 Yeah, we have a very large population of people with 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:58.360 serious mental illness, both in jails and in prisons. It's 1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:00.479 a problem that's been with us with that for a 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:04.120 couple decades now. But many people trace that problem back 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:06.599 to when the States decided to shut down the state 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:11.560 asylum programs and we saw basically a shift from psychiatric 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:15.479 institutions to correctional institutions. We hoped that the people would 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:19.000 leave the psychiatric institutions find better care and community settings. 1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:21.439 We now know that didn't happen. So now we're trying 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:23.800 to do this kind of humpty dumpy act of pick 1:09:23.840 --> 1:09:25.960 up the pieces and figure out what to do both 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.559 on the correctional front and on the mental health funt. 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:30.120 Yeah, and I'm going to here, well, you know Reagan 1:09:30.160 --> 1:09:32.120 and when he was president, closed all the mental health 1:09:32.120 --> 1:09:34.360 out well. And they actually started back in the nineteen fifties. 1:09:34.360 --> 1:09:36.439 They started doing this because they thought that was best 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:38.080 practices back in the nineteen fifties. 1:09:38.080 --> 1:09:38.400 Correct. 1:09:39.960 --> 1:09:43.400 Yeah, there are many things going on there, but excessive 1:09:43.439 --> 1:09:47.160 hopes about psychiatric drugs. There's a lot of cost shifting 1:09:47.240 --> 1:09:49.400 going on too. The states saw in a way that 1:09:49.400 --> 1:09:51.960 they could shift costs to the federal government. A lot 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:55.040 of the costs now actually are born by counties because 1:09:55.160 --> 1:09:57.519 county are the ones who run jails, and guess where 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:00.519 all these mentally is to kill people are confined. And 1:10:00.560 --> 1:10:02.880 that's why it's really important that we have leadership from 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:04.040 the gubernatorial level. 1:10:04.520 --> 1:10:07.479 Yeah, well, jails are obviously temporary holding before you go 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:09.160 off to prison or maybe you stay in jail at 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:11.200 the sentences less than a year, and so jails are 1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:14.960 instead of the same purpose. But our prisons and we're 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:18.400 talking federal prison state prisons versus your county jail. I 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:20.519 can't imagine county jails are well equipped to handle the 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:21.080 mentally ill. 1:10:22.560 --> 1:10:24.479 No, there's a lot of flux, it's a lot of 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:27.960 it's a kind of chaotic place. Prison people are in 1:10:28.040 --> 1:10:31.240 for longer. But prison is not better than a mental hospital, 1:10:31.280 --> 1:10:32.960 which I would say would be a better place for 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:36.080 a lot of these people. Constitutionally is difficult for just 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:39.479 kind of difficult to transfer someone from a prison to 1:10:39.520 --> 1:10:42.000 a mental hospital. But if we talk more about like 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:45.240 investing upstream in mental hospitals, like it sounds like Governor 1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:48.320 Dwine is doing, then we would put people like in 1:10:48.439 --> 1:10:50.519 the right system and the system that would be better 1:10:50.520 --> 1:10:53.520 for them. That it's a mental health system, not correctional. 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:55.479 System, and it can't be a good outcome. I mean, 1:10:55.479 --> 1:10:58.519 to begin with, I'm sure the rate of people are 1:10:58.560 --> 1:11:01.839 incarcerated must be disproportional to the share of the general population, 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:04.120 because if you think about your own treated mental health issues, 1:11:04.720 --> 1:11:07.719 not always, but generally that leads to crime some way 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:12.439 more serious, some self harm, but nonetheless criminal activity. 1:11:12.600 --> 1:11:15.200 Yeah, serious mention illness. It's about we would say fifty 1:11:15.240 --> 1:11:17.920 five to six percent for the general adult population, but 1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:21.000 then around fifteen to twenty percent for the incarcerated population. 1:11:21.080 --> 1:11:22.760 So it's a rate like three to four times as 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:26.120 high as a general adult population. And everything is worse 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:29.640 for seriously mentally ill people incarcerated, that is, they're victimized 1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:31.880 of higher rates. They get put in solitary confinement at 1:11:31.920 --> 1:11:34.360 high rates, then they recitibate as a higher rate, so 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:36.680 it's all worse when they get kind of caught up 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:37.360 in that system. 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:39.439 And Steve and I, why do I have a sense 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:41.080 that is going to cost us, like anything in America 1:11:41.160 --> 1:11:43.040 more money in the long run. Rather than addressing the 1:11:43.080 --> 1:11:46.200 problem early on and fixing with mental health beds, we 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:49.479 chose to incarcerate and care feed and house the mentally ill, 1:11:49.560 --> 1:11:51.479 and then when we allot them out there probably worse. 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:53.360 And so this costs us more in the long run. 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:53.880 I'm guessing. 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:57.560 Yeah, there's a lot of physcal buck passing between you know, 1:11:57.680 --> 1:12:01.400 state governments and federal governments and counties and private health systems, 1:12:01.439 --> 1:12:04.200 but it's the CONTs just well enormously. So it's at 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:06.320 a certain point somebody just says, look, this is going 1:12:06.360 --> 1:12:10.280 this is an expensive population. We need invest upfront, upstream, 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:14.680 and that means investing in mental health systems. That's the 1:12:14.680 --> 1:12:16.559 only responsible way to a bridge problem. 1:12:16.920 --> 1:12:20.320 Gotcha, Steven, I's here from the Manhattan Institute and Governor 1:12:20.360 --> 1:12:22.439 Mike DeWine commenting that over ninety percent of the state 1:12:22.479 --> 1:12:25.160 psychiatric beds are occupied by people who are being sent 1:12:25.200 --> 1:12:28.920 by the courts for a mental competency hold. Kind of 1:12:28.960 --> 1:12:31.320 like what's happening with that kid in Marymont now getting 1:12:31.320 --> 1:12:33.639 a second although I think he's in juvenile custody. I'm 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:35.760 not sure how that works with that, but nonetheless, I 1:12:35.760 --> 1:12:37.800 think you get my point. And now there's no room. 1:12:37.840 --> 1:12:41.080 There is no room literally in state beds for people 1:12:41.080 --> 1:12:44.120 who aren't convicted or aren't facing a serious crime for 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:46.559 that matter. Too, and we talked about the differently jails 1:12:46.560 --> 1:12:50.400 in prison. You also talk too, Stephen about the funding. 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:53.680 This stuff is funded on mainlant of county budgets. How 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:54.200 does it work? 1:12:55.320 --> 1:12:59.679 So Medicaid insurance can't be used to pay for healthcare 1:12:59.800 --> 1:13:03.760 in side correctional institutions. Okay, so it's just has to 1:13:03.800 --> 1:13:06.840 come out of general revenue. Yeah, general state revenues in 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:09.400 the case of brisons, and general county revenues in the 1:13:09.439 --> 1:13:12.639 case of local jails. And this was never a business 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:16.559 that counties were in. I mean, I mean providing healthcare 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:19.680 for people with very serious problems. I mean, especially if 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:21.920 you're talking about rural counties. You know, most jails are 1:13:21.920 --> 1:13:24.519 pretty small. You know, if you got to jail with 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:27.280 like fifty two one hundred people, Like, what realistically can 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:29.400 you do, especially if you're based in the county that 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:33.160 may not have one psychiatrist for the community in general. 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:35.240 You know, you're talking about kind of a nurse coming 1:13:35.280 --> 1:13:38.240 by a couple of days a week, dropping off some meds, 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:41.479 you know, hoping for the best. It's not a fiscally 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:44.040 a very well arranged system. And that's why, you know, 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:46.960 to emphasize it's really important that there's leadership at the 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:50.519 state level. If we're going to fix this, should we. 1:13:50.479 --> 1:13:52.479 Go back to the model that it once was pre 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:56.400 nineteen fifties, sixty seventies, eighties, and that would be institutionalizing 1:13:56.439 --> 1:13:58.679 and mass institutional and because you could have a hospital 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:01.639 only have a hospital for six people, but some are 1:14:01.920 --> 1:14:04.240 I guess retirement communities. We have all over the place 1:14:04.320 --> 1:14:06.280 right for people who are of above a certain age 1:14:06.280 --> 1:14:08.680 that are moving to another stage of life. We have 1:14:08.760 --> 1:14:11.400 all these niches of care depending on what it is 1:14:11.439 --> 1:14:13.439 you need and what you require where you're looking for. 1:14:13.760 --> 1:14:15.720 And yet we pretend we don't need that when it 1:14:15.720 --> 1:14:18.280 comes to mental health. Why don't we just you know, 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:20.120 and not there's an emphasis to do it, but it 1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:24.080 seems like we should be building big facilities for people. 1:14:23.840 --> 1:14:25.040 Who have mental health issues. 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:28.280 And I'll point out too, since we're talking about Rodney 1:14:28.360 --> 1:14:30.920 Hinton here in this case that he's pleaded not guilty. 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:33.839 Reason with sanity, they found him incompetent to Stan Toronto's 1:14:33.880 --> 1:14:36.080 charge is probably life in prison. But here's a man 1:14:36.120 --> 1:14:39.080 who's diagnosed with a bipolar disorder and did not take 1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:42.639 his medication as prescribed. If you put someone in group 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:46.080 housing in a place like this, you can mandate that 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:48.439 they take their not only they're segregated from side, but 1:14:48.479 --> 1:14:50.240 also you make sure they're on their edge. You can't 1:14:50.280 --> 1:14:51.679 do that when you're out on your own. 1:14:52.160 --> 1:14:54.240 Yeah, a couple of things there. Well, First of all, 1:14:54.280 --> 1:14:57.320 you may don't even need to build new facilities. You 1:14:57.360 --> 1:15:00.360 probably still have these state campuses. Then you could increase 1:15:00.439 --> 1:15:03.519 their capacity. Like you said, they're being used for a 1:15:03.520 --> 1:15:06.160 certain purpose, maybe they could be used for other purposes. 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:10.760 There's also this question of mostly everyone would agree, first 1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:12.559 of all, that the pendulum has slung way too far, 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:15.519 Like okay, like people were abused back in the nineteen fifties, 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:17.880 but it's a different world now, and we've just cut 1:15:17.920 --> 1:15:19.840 way too many beds. We need more beds at least 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:22.280 than we have now, whether we're bringing back the old 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:25.439 days or not. Secondly, we got to talk about where 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:27.400 the beds are going to be. So there are private 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:30.559 health system private hospitals to do some kind of psychiatric care, 1:15:30.640 --> 1:15:32.080 but they really want to do that on kind of 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:35.720 like a short term basis, stabilize people just enough, like 1:15:35.800 --> 1:15:38.120 get them their meds and then they're out. If you 1:15:38.120 --> 1:15:40.120 want to talk about care that's going to last like 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:42.600 an intermediate term, a longer term, and that's probably what 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:45.720 we're talking about. For people very serious chronic problems on 1:15:45.880 --> 1:15:49.360 the state government, those state programs are the most appropriate intervention, 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:52.280 and so I think that's what we have to be 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:54.120 moving back towards. There are a lot of people who 1:15:54.160 --> 1:15:56.320 are not ready to it that the Democrats aren't ready 1:15:56.400 --> 1:15:59.880 from a civilivererties perspective. On the Republican side, it's going 1:15:59.920 --> 1:16:01.519 to because it's going to cost a lot of money. 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:04.439 Sometimes they're not ready. But you know, in my work, 1:16:04.479 --> 1:16:06.599 I try to make the case that like, look, as 1:16:06.640 --> 1:16:09.160 you alluded to earlier, this is already costing us top 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:12.160 lots of money. Let's figure out what's the most responsible 1:16:12.200 --> 1:16:14.439 way to spend money, because we're going to be you know, 1:16:15.040 --> 1:16:16.559 it's going to be a big build no matter what. 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:19.760 Yeah, I guess if you're progressive, you probably look at 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:22.559 the whole you know, very anti mass incarceration that we 1:16:22.640 --> 1:16:25.040 lead the free world and in prisoners and the like, 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:26.400 and we've got to end that whole thing. 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:27.599 That's a big social plan. 1:16:27.640 --> 1:16:32.160 And also the fact that you know, they pursued policy 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:35.800 that went after policymakers to close jails. On top of that, 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:37.080 I mean, look what they're doing in New York with 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:40.280 Rikers Island. Not that that's a you know, that's not 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:43.320 a carnival. Certainly it's a horrible, horrible place. But you know, 1:16:43.439 --> 1:16:45.479 closing the prison doesn't make the problem go away, like 1:16:45.479 --> 1:16:47.719 closing the mental institution doesn't make the problem go away. 1:16:48.720 --> 1:16:48.920 Right. 1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:51.600 That's the parallels are very eerie. Like if you know 1:16:51.720 --> 1:16:54.680 anything about the whole history of shutting down the state asylums, 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:58.080 the hopes there were and the disappointment that followed, that's 1:16:58.120 --> 1:17:01.879 exactly what's going on with this movement to quote abolished jails. 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:06.080 And those voices are very influential in some places. There 1:17:06.080 --> 1:17:08.280 are places in America, where you have a local jail 1:17:08.320 --> 1:17:11.479 that was to build decades and decades ago, it's falling apart. 1:17:11.520 --> 1:17:14.200 It needs to be replaced. But because there's this idea 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:16.320 that no, no, no, no, we don't want to do jails anymore, 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:19.200 the people who are still being confined to those places 1:17:19.479 --> 1:17:22.880 are really suffering because you know, responsible policy makers are 1:17:22.920 --> 1:17:24.439 just not letting their voices be heard. 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:27.400 Well, the people inside suffer, which makes the problem worse, 1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:28.320 gives them more bag to go. 1:17:28.360 --> 1:17:29.760 See, you see, this is why you gotta close it. 1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:32.360 It's falling apart and it's dangerous, and okay, great, we 1:17:32.439 --> 1:17:37.000 close it like Rikers Island or any other prison that's 1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:38.720 closed to And what do we do. We're not making 1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:41.400 anymore because of the outcry, and so look at the 1:17:41.520 --> 1:17:44.640 rise and you know, assaults and stuff like that. Un 1:17:44.680 --> 1:17:45.840 least here in Cincinnati too. 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:46.040 Now. 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:49.479 Granted the overall crime numbers are going down, but still 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:52.240 we've got to segregate bad people from the rest of society. 1:17:52.280 --> 1:17:55.040 The idea that we will close prisons with that there 1:17:55.040 --> 1:17:58.519 will be no impact on societies foolish, right. 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:01.320 And you also another thing to have, it's just abandonment. 1:18:01.560 --> 1:18:03.439 I mean, you put people out of the community. And 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:06.400 what does that means. I mean, nobody is responsible for them, right. 1:18:06.439 --> 1:18:09.360 You know, they're homeless, they're disconnected from their families, their 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:13.040 living lives of great instability to get mixed up in drugs. 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:16.240 They get victimized. Out in Los Angeles where it was 1:18:16.320 --> 1:18:18.320 last week, you see a lot of that. And that's 1:18:18.320 --> 1:18:21.120 a place in particular of much like Rikers Island. They 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:23.000 need a nicer jail, they need a new jail. They 1:18:23.000 --> 1:18:25.240 need to fix the jail that's falling apart. But they 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:29.799 can't bring themselves around to that idea before essentially ideological reasons. 1:18:29.920 --> 1:18:31.120 It's history repeating itself. 1:18:31.200 --> 1:18:32.240 Yeah, so we close the jails. 1:18:32.240 --> 1:18:34.120 The other side, and this would be those who are 1:18:34.120 --> 1:18:37.160 conservative that you want more punishment, you want tougher restrictions, 1:18:37.160 --> 1:18:39.719 you want three strikes and you're out, which which can 1:18:39.800 --> 1:18:43.400 and can't be helpful. But both these two things are 1:18:43.520 --> 1:18:45.920 at odds against each other, which is why the system's broken. 1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:47.639 Right. 1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:49.439 But we have a lot of crime going on. I mean, 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:52.480 crime is not in a good place. We need safer communities. 1:18:52.520 --> 1:18:54.320 I mean, I don't know what to say, Like crime 1:18:54.400 --> 1:18:56.200 is a bad thing. It's bad things to happen to 1:18:56.240 --> 1:18:59.960 a business individual. You know, the trauma. You know, people 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:02.759 will live a incident for the rest of their lives. 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:06.559 We need safer communities. We're not where we need to 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:10.000 be in terms of crime on multiple fronts across the nation, 1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:14.200 and I'm sorry, incarceration is probably going to have to 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:17.400 be part of that solution. Police certainly are, So what 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:20.160 do we mean by that. Let's talk about licum or modern, 1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:22.840 more therapeutic form of incarceration to the extent that that 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:25.719 is possible or at least provide for better people while 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:27.920 they have to be locked up. But I think we 1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:30.679 need to just reconcile ourselves to the idea that we're 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:32.960 going to need jails and we're going to need incarceration 1:19:33.280 --> 1:19:35.880 if we win to face after this crime problem. 1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:38.160 Stephen on that too. 1:19:38.160 --> 1:19:40.360 If we could just take the population of the mentally 1:19:40.400 --> 1:19:43.240 ill out of the nation's prisons and county jails and 1:19:43.280 --> 1:19:45.599 alike and institutionalize them to get the treatment that they 1:19:45.640 --> 1:19:48.679 need and maybe up to a degree, the criminally violent. 1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:50.240 I think that there are people out there who are 1:19:50.400 --> 1:19:53.320 sociopaths that yeah, that's a mental health condition, but doesn't 1:19:53.360 --> 1:19:55.439 mean you should not be in prison. You should be 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:57.800 because you're a danger to yourself and others around you 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:02.000 for the long term. Maybe there's a distinction there and 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:05.360 to what puts you into a mental prison, hospital or 1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:09.000 a mental institution versus a prison. But just getting that 1:20:09.040 --> 1:20:11.920 population by and large out of prisons, what does that do. 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:14.240 Well? 1:20:14.240 --> 1:20:16.760 They Yeah, I mean if you're talking about transferring them to, 1:20:16.880 --> 1:20:20.720 for example, a psychiatric institution, they would still be confined, 1:20:22.560 --> 1:20:25.479 but they would be inside of an agency whose goal 1:20:25.600 --> 1:20:29.519 is mental health treatment. Is the correctional institution's goal mental 1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:32.240 health treatment, Well, not exactly. I mean, if it has 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:34.200 to be, it has to figure out something, put something 1:20:34.200 --> 1:20:37.320 together maybe, but it would really be better if that 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:39.960 population were in the care of the mental health system 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:44.479 for it, like essentially good government reasons. Also on the 1:20:44.479 --> 1:20:47.000 correctional side of things, like you know, you do have 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:47.599 people who. 1:20:47.479 --> 1:20:48.040 Are just bad. 1:20:48.120 --> 1:20:50.600 They're not mad. You know that they prey on the 1:20:50.640 --> 1:20:54.920 mentally ill. They're a tough enough nut to crack, and 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:56.960 so on the correctional side of things, it would be 1:20:56.960 --> 1:20:59.800 easier if they could just focus on them. Needs to 1:20:59.840 --> 1:21:01.880 be let's get all mixed up. I mean, people, you 1:21:01.920 --> 1:21:04.080 make a lot about the idea that well, they're just sick. 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:06.320 They just need to be out and given healthcare, out 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:09.479 into society, and that's how we'll stabilize them. That creates 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:12.000 a lot of confusion as to what type of population 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:14.519 you're dealing with, because in some cases, these really are 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:17.360 dangerous people. As you say, yes they have a secret 1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:20.840 serious psychiatric illness, they're also dangerous. So they're going to 1:21:20.960 --> 1:21:24.320 have to be confined. That means a different type of 1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:28.320 custodial institution, right, but a certain type of custodial institution, 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:31.759 one with a more psychiatric outlook that's a better suited 1:21:31.800 --> 1:21:32.519 to their needs. 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:35.200 Well, for example, in our newsroom here at seven hundred 1:21:35.200 --> 1:21:38.960 w LW. Steven, we have multiple scanners and play scanners fire, 1:21:39.200 --> 1:21:41.080 and you hear all the time that somebody's not they're 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:44.240 off their medication. You know, you can't trust someone who's 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:47.320 mental ill to continue to take their medication. That is 1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:49.800 something that has to be administered to them. And when 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:52.160 you're out and left to your own devices, it's a 1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:53.719 lethal it can be a lethal combination. 1:21:54.680 --> 1:21:56.200 And that's happened a lot real quick. 1:21:56.200 --> 1:21:56.360 Here. 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:57.640 What how do we fix this? 1:21:59.320 --> 1:22:03.280 Well, so, first of all, look invest more in upstream solutions. 1:22:03.479 --> 1:22:06.680 We need to reckon. Republicans need to reconcile themselves the 1:22:06.720 --> 1:22:09.479 idea that we probably need to spend more through for example, 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:13.040 the Medicaid program. It's a very expensive budget busting program, 1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:14.920 but that is going to need to be part of 1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:19.560 the solution. More money spent on these upstream psychiatric solutions. 1:22:20.040 --> 1:22:23.360 And on the inside, you need more involved in my 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:26.400 state government in the jail based systems. The jail based 1:22:26.439 --> 1:22:29.080 systems don't have the resources, they sometimes don't even have 1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:32.800 the know how the personnel to serve this population. You 1:22:32.880 --> 1:22:34.719 are in the near term going to still have people 1:22:34.720 --> 1:22:38.280 with serious psychiatric illnesses can find the jails in prisons, 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:40.040 So we need to face up to that and make 1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:42.000 sure that we have the resources and personnel in this 1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:44.880 place is to stabilize them and make what's going to be, 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:47.200 you know, a challenging situation at least a little bit 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:49.800 more manageable and a little bit more enlightened than the 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:51.599 situation we've got. 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:51.840 Now. 1:22:51.960 --> 1:22:54.120 Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's probably true. 1:22:54.160 --> 1:22:57.000 But you know why these political analyies battling over their 1:22:57.000 --> 1:22:59.680 turf and planning their flag, and of course we have 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:02.519 governs that don't have enough resources and are fighting over 1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:04.760 for O Repenny and so that's why we can't get 1:23:04.760 --> 1:23:06.800 the needle to move, and the end result as we 1:23:06.840 --> 1:23:10.320 all suffer as a society, in individuals and families as well. 1:23:10.360 --> 1:23:14.320 It's sad, but hopefully at some point we'll have clear 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:17.560 heads that wind up being our overlords. That solved this problem. 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:19.800 Steve and I thanks so much for joining the show. 1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:21.880 From the Manhattan Institute. You can read more there all 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:22.240 the best. 1:23:22.720 --> 1:23:24.519 I really enjoyed it. Thanks for having me, Stuf Care. 1:23:25.000 --> 1:23:28.320 Yeah, this is an absolve Rodney hitting from doing what 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:30.200 he did. But you know, you go back and look 1:23:30.240 --> 1:23:33.000 kind of like the cameras at the park, right, we 1:23:33.040 --> 1:23:34.599 had a kid killed two and a half years ago 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:36.040 and the camera's supposed to go up, but didn't. 1:23:36.080 --> 1:23:37.280 We got another eleven year old dead. 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:39.160 I don't know if this would have stopped the murder 1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:42.439 of Larry Henderson and other scourge is a society and 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:44.479 the like. But you know, if you're refusing to take 1:23:44.479 --> 1:23:48.400 your medication and a serious mental health issue like bipolar, 1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:51.599 schizophrene or anything of that, a handful of them, then 1:23:51.640 --> 1:23:53.920 there should be some institutionalization going on, but we don't 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:56.639 have the facilities to do that. We've got a news 1:23:56.680 --> 1:23:59.280 update in about four minutes. It's a Scott Sloan show 1:23:59.520 --> 1:24:22.400 seven High Wild. There we go, New Year's resolution, more snorts. 1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:25.160 Sarah Relasi's here from the Kid Chris Show one on 1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:26.160 two seven e v M. 1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:29.440 Of the social media perspective on everything sport and Cincinnati. 1:24:29.720 --> 1:24:32.960 There is some of the new year with the snorts report. 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:37.120 Yes, there are so many things trending with Cincinnati sports 1:24:37.240 --> 1:24:37.599 right now. 1:24:37.680 --> 1:24:40.040 Not really snort worthy, though. 1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:44.120 Is anything good? Gimme let's let this because it's a 1:24:44.120 --> 1:24:47.320 new year. What do you give me something positive from 1:24:47.400 --> 1:24:51.480 Cincinnati sports? There's no positive? What's positive? The Reds are 1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:54.200 gonna be terrible. We got Reds fast haupping up. The 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:57.360 Bengals are terrible. They're tearing the state. They're remodeling the stadium. 1:24:57.360 --> 1:25:00.479 They need to remodel their front office. We've got the Cats. 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:02.759 Can't win Xavier? What what give me a post? 1:25:02.800 --> 1:25:02.920 Wait? 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:05.439 Why are we putting so much money into the Duke Energy? 1:25:05.840 --> 1:25:09.160 What is it called now? The Cincinnati Convention Someday Energy Center? 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:11.000 Don't that's not what the article said. 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:13.639 Sure, I'm just gonna call it that forever, okay, because 1:25:15.640 --> 1:25:18.000 its energy? So the Riverfront stadium. 1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:21.599 But I'm like, shouldn't we put more money into our defense. 1:25:23.000 --> 1:25:23.320 Again? 1:25:25.960 --> 1:25:27.920 We're gonna start with the positive though, real quick. 1:25:28.360 --> 1:25:34.080 Miami University's men's basketball team is sixteen O baby. Here 1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:37.240 we go, Sarah, And by the way, happy New Year. 1:25:37.280 --> 1:25:38.720 I've not seen you since last year. 1:25:38.960 --> 1:25:40.160 Hold on, hold that thought a second. 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:42.960 So we've been doing this segment for a few years now, 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:46.920 and I believe this is the first time she's mentioned Miami. 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:49.160 University basketball because it's that bad. 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:51.439 We've got to go to Oxford to go, well, there's 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:53.400 something we can hang our hat on all the way. 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:56.320 In cozy Oxford, my alma mater. You'll be checking out 1:25:56.320 --> 1:25:58.000 a game there on the thirty first. 1:25:58.680 --> 1:25:59.960 Are you going to go watch the bear Cats? 1:26:00.720 --> 1:26:02.479 We're definitely not going to go do that. And here 1:26:02.840 --> 1:26:05.760 Wes Miller have another meltdown on our airwaves. I guess 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:08.360 that's what was trending on social media when I woke 1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:10.320 up this morning, going off on Dan Ward. 1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:13.360 I like, of all the people hiding off on Dan, 1:26:13.760 --> 1:26:15.599 I don't know if it was going off on him. 1:26:17.240 --> 1:26:19.680 There's a little sketchy. I don't like the tone that 1:26:19.720 --> 1:26:21.640 he took with Dan. I'm like, you'd be nice to 1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:22.040 our guy. 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:24.160 Well, it's also the problem I have with coaches in 1:26:24.240 --> 1:26:27.519 general is you know, the sportsman asking me these questions 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:29.120 and they got you know, they got to get all 1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:31.160 hard ass and like it's us against the world. Yeah, 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:31.840 because you suck. 1:26:32.040 --> 1:26:33.600 It's like, don't be darky and say that. 1:26:33.720 --> 1:26:36.880 I don't like that the whole us against the world, 1:26:38.479 --> 1:26:38.760 the world. 1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:40.000 Then why am I buying your tickets? 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:42.439 He just jeans to me, why am I beying your 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:46.080 merch Right, He's like, no, leading into your fan base, 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:47.120 don't alienate them. 1:26:47.200 --> 1:26:49.799 But as you know, it doesn't matter who the coaches 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:51.920 are in Cincinnati, we are going to hang on to them. 1:26:52.240 --> 1:26:53.720 The coaches show is the dumbest thing. 1:26:53.840 --> 1:26:55.600 It doesn't matter what the record is. 1:26:55.720 --> 1:26:58.760 I guess in Baltimore it matters because they let go 1:26:58.880 --> 1:27:03.080 of their night to that guy. 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:05.000 Tom is going to be the greatest. 1:27:05.040 --> 1:27:07.879 Meanwhile, we've got everybody in the AFC North cutting coaches 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:08.839 except in Sincenata. 1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:11.000 What about you stay another year. 1:27:11.040 --> 1:27:12.200 You've got to get one more time. 1:27:12.400 --> 1:27:15.559 Duke Tobin's been here since the Truman administration, before football 1:27:15.640 --> 1:27:16.280 was even the thing. 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:19.760 So speaking of our guy, Duke Tobin, he is going 1:27:19.800 --> 1:27:23.040 to be holding a press conference this Friday, A rare 1:27:23.360 --> 1:27:25.880 press conference. Oh my god, Friday at one o'clock. I 1:27:25.920 --> 1:27:28.640 will be sad. Here's my take on it. Let the 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:31.800 fans at it for about thirty minutes, go on Facebook 1:27:31.840 --> 1:27:33.760 Live and answer questions. 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:36.519 Doing it? Going to write it to an Ama asked 1:27:36.520 --> 1:27:36.960 me anything. 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:40.600 Yeah, I don't want the Bengals media in there. I 1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:42.800 don't want this. I don't want this interview to be weak. 1:27:42.920 --> 1:27:45.759 I need the real fans that are in the stands, 1:27:46.000 --> 1:27:49.360 that have had season tickets for twenty plus years to 1:27:49.439 --> 1:27:51.920 ask Duke whatever they need to get at their checks. 1:27:52.000 --> 1:27:55.960 God, the questions are going to be you know, so 1:27:56.479 --> 1:28:01.120 don't built Dennison seven hundred ww So, I mean, you know, 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:04.160 you could talk about you know, talk about some of 1:28:04.240 --> 1:28:05.800 the good what what you know? 1:28:06.080 --> 1:28:07.040 What about the draft? 1:28:07.240 --> 1:28:08.839 Nobody wants to lose their crew. 1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:11.680 But I want yeah, very so bad. Yeah, because they 1:28:11.680 --> 1:28:12.360 well they'll pull there. 1:28:12.439 --> 1:28:14.360 That's so weak as like, well, you asked a tough question, 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:15.519 you'll have your credential pulled. 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:18.040 So I went on to social media and I said, hey, 1:28:18.080 --> 1:28:20.439 if you dude, you got to read the responses. Take 1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:23.040 fifteen to twenty minutes out of your day because that's 1:28:23.080 --> 1:28:25.680 how many responses are on this post. Go check out 1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:28.519 my post and read all of the comments from people 1:28:28.720 --> 1:28:30.519 because I asked him iselif if you could ask Duke 1:28:30.600 --> 1:28:32.880 Tobin one thing at this press or on Friday, what 1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:35.360 would you ask? A lot of these are not really 1:28:35.400 --> 1:28:39.479 appropriate for the airwaves. No, just take some time away 1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:42.200 from work today and go check out the response. But 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:45.240 a lot of people asking Duke are wanting to ask Duke, hey, 1:28:45.280 --> 1:28:46.720 what are you going to do when the stadium is 1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:47.920 empty this upcoming season? 1:28:47.920 --> 1:28:49.040 Because everyone's so mad? 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:51.400 Yeah, yeah, our season ticket holders. 1:28:53.479 --> 1:28:55.160 This is like, this is like some big event, like 1:28:55.240 --> 1:28:57.280 Duke Tobin is going to be here from ten to 1:28:57.479 --> 1:29:00.320 ten to ten fifteen. Answering the tough question from the 1:29:00.360 --> 1:29:03.639 Cincinnati medias like, you know, we just look at Tennessee, right. 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:07.000 Their ownership put this whole plan together to the state, 1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:09.920 to the fans and saying here's what the plan is. 1:29:10.120 --> 1:29:12.280 This is what we're doing. The statement we got from 1:29:12.280 --> 1:29:15.080 Mike Brown was what we're keeping. We're giving to the coach. 1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:17.599 And general statement that you could ever. 1:29:17.640 --> 1:29:21.680 We trust these guys men, We trust them. You got 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:23.799 to the super Bowl once in twenty eight years. 1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:25.719 And we need to stop talking about that Super Bowl 1:29:25.880 --> 1:29:27.320 enough that was light. 1:29:27.240 --> 1:29:29.880 Years ago, which also looking like that was an outlier. 1:29:30.040 --> 1:29:30.880 Like literally, I. 1:29:30.920 --> 1:29:33.720 Can talk about the big red machine from fifty years ago. 1:29:34.000 --> 1:29:36.360 Right, there's no dynasty there is, Like it feels like 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:39.360 at this point now you stumbled into that is what 1:29:39.400 --> 1:29:39.880 it looks like. 1:29:40.120 --> 1:29:44.280 Dunt dunk dum and Joe Burrow being very careful with 1:29:44.320 --> 1:29:47.280 his words and that final press conference after the game 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:50.160 on Sunday when they asked him about you know, what 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:53.559 do you think is needed in the off season, Like 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:55.360 what are the changes you want to see? 1:29:55.880 --> 1:29:57.760 Joe is a great leader. He's not going to throw 1:29:57.760 --> 1:29:58.719 anyone under the bus. 1:29:58.720 --> 1:29:59.280 Oh he's not. 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:02.639 Anyway, they got the tenth pick. We'll see what they 1:30:02.640 --> 1:30:04.960 do because we know that they're so good at drafting. 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:07.920 It's just like a vicious circle around here. 1:30:08.240 --> 1:30:09.840 What if they don't make the playoffs next year? 1:30:10.400 --> 1:30:12.480 Four years in a row. We got problems. 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:14.840 That's fine to get you know what we are We 1:30:15.080 --> 1:30:16.280 need a little more time. 1:30:16.600 --> 1:30:19.040 Well, just extend Zach for another couple of years. 1:30:19.200 --> 1:30:21.679 Right now, they're renovating pay court. They need to renovate 1:30:21.680 --> 1:30:23.240 the front office is what they need to do. 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:26.679 Take that money from the convention center whatever you're doing, 1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:27.880 the money and just. 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:28.320 Fix it down. 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:29.200 You got fixed. 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:31.240 The Brown family has enough money. We're good. 1:30:31.640 --> 1:30:33.679 He's a what is it, He's one of the top 1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:36.080 five riches people. It's in the track. 1:30:36.240 --> 1:30:38.000 We need to give them more money. Yeah, no, you don't. 1:30:38.040 --> 1:30:39.519 You need to get your head out of your ass 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:42.400 and do something you haven't done in a few years. 1:30:42.439 --> 1:30:45.120 It's like when you went lean into free agency. That 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:47.439 worked out for you and then we got away from that. 1:30:47.479 --> 1:30:50.080 Why well, we got more problems. 1:30:51.320 --> 1:30:54.080 We got, we got, we got. I understand that as 1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:56.480 you should be. All Bengals fans should be very frustrated 1:30:56.560 --> 1:30:58.439 with what's going on. You should hate that they ended 1:30:58.479 --> 1:31:01.120 the season at six and eleven, the season losing to 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:01.679 the Browns. 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:06.080 I mean, come on, man, but they're not helping themselves 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:08.080 when the perception is they don't care about the fans, 1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:09.320 and did they do. 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:10.960 This look at the snowy seats. 1:31:12.400 --> 1:31:13.400 We don't care about the fans. 1:31:13.479 --> 1:31:16.360 We care about the fans, and apparently over the weekend. 1:31:16.200 --> 1:31:18.360 Or we do in the stadium, isn't that good? Well yeah, 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:19.320 but we're paying for that. 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:20.599 Correct. 1:31:20.880 --> 1:31:23.719 Somebody told me over the weekend, someone that has club 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:28.800 seats that the club level area, the ac was or 1:31:28.840 --> 1:31:31.080 the heat was out, so it was very cold in there. 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:32.879 Yeah, so that wasn't fit exactly. 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:36.400 We got more problems though, Cam Taylor Britt doing some 1:31:36.439 --> 1:31:40.600 time in jail and straight to the off season to 1:31:40.640 --> 1:31:42.800 the Hamilton County jail. 1:31:43.000 --> 1:31:46.280 I guess reckless driving, running some stop lights. 1:31:46.000 --> 1:31:48.040 In this time, having like two thousand miles an hour 1:31:48.120 --> 1:31:49.120 up and down Vine Street. 1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:50.360 What are you doing? 1:31:50.680 --> 1:31:53.479 Chelsea's sick over at Local twelve has all of the details. 1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:56.839 She was the one media person in that room yesterday 1:31:56.840 --> 1:31:58.400 when Cam Taylor Britt was at the home. 1:31:58.760 --> 1:32:02.479 She brings that same attitude to the Duke Tobin thing, Yeah, 1:32:02.479 --> 1:32:05.000 can we get Chelsea sick to the press or on Friday. 1:32:05.120 --> 1:32:06.040 She's all over it. 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:08.880 But yeah, these charges go all the way back to June, 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:12.080 and then he was cited again in September not having 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:13.240 a valid license. 1:32:13.280 --> 1:32:14.560 I mean, it's crazy. 1:32:14.760 --> 1:32:15.320 What do you doing? 1:32:15.600 --> 1:32:16.360 Go through your mind? 1:32:16.360 --> 1:32:18.800 It's like you can't celebrate, you should have your stuff 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:18.880 to go. 1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:21.759 But it's also like I don't need to get a license. 1:32:21.800 --> 1:32:23.519 What what the hell you think? What are you doing? 1:32:23.680 --> 1:32:26.639 Why are you running red lights? Fans are out and about. 1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:28.800 This was right after a game. I don't understand his 1:32:28.840 --> 1:32:31.960 whole purpose behind this, but yeah, so his mugshot is 1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:34.320 trending all over social media today. 1:32:34.680 --> 1:32:38.480 So apparently getting a driver's lives not only the only responsibility. 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:39.040 Shirk so. 1:32:40.680 --> 1:32:43.479 Not the best examples for our young kiddos that look 1:32:43.600 --> 1:32:44.880 up to the Bengals players here. 1:32:45.600 --> 1:32:47.080 He's not gonna be back anyway. 1:32:47.200 --> 1:32:49.720 I don't think so. I think I'm done with CTB. Yeah, 1:32:49.800 --> 1:32:50.479 I've seen enough. 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:52.519 I've seen enough. We don't want to say anymore. There's 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:54.280 like three guys I keep on. I think that's it. 1:32:54.439 --> 1:32:57.000 Please bring back Dalton Reisner. That's something that's trending on 1:32:57.040 --> 1:32:59.479 social media. Dalton really wants to stick at the angles. 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:01.679 I would like to see that happened for him as well. 1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:05.080 So Joe Burrow on social media, this is trending. He 1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:07.080 posted on Instagram. 1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:10.559 Yesterday a big carousel of photos, some being throughout the season, 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:14.400 him being injured, and then his Joker costume from Halloween, 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:19.600 and he captioned it twenty twenty five was dot adversity? 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:21.960 Yes it was, Yes it was. 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:25.160 So go check out Joe's posts and all the comments 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:27.640 they do not disappoint Bengals fans are so funny. A 1:33:27.640 --> 1:33:29.559 lot of girls asking him to marry them, you know, 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:33.559 the same old salele God. It's like, why are we 1:33:33.600 --> 1:33:38.719 taking advantage of Emo Joe? Like Jo, Well, he doesn't 1:33:38.760 --> 1:33:42.479 want you, Okay, he doesn't watch six and eleven. All 1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:47.040 this man cares about is football. Okay, that brain, fashion 1:33:47.560 --> 1:33:50.040 and fossils. I guess that's what he gifted his O 1:33:50.200 --> 1:33:51.640 line this year for Christmas. 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:54.880 Fossils. Last year was the samuraized Swords. Yeah, now they 1:33:54.880 --> 1:33:55.479 got rocks. 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:57.120 I think Bengals have enough fossils. 1:33:57.280 --> 1:34:02.320 We got to and that's the problem. Like we got. 1:34:04.000 --> 1:34:06.200 Ladies are great, Joe, marry me, marry me. 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:08.439 Here's some rocks. 1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:13.160 Mean, while Pat Mahomes is like based on personalized rolex. 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:13.840 Was you marry Joe? 1:34:14.240 --> 1:34:15.920 Based on some of the stuff he wears for his 1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:18.760 pregame fit, you could double your wardrobe, ladies. 1:34:19.080 --> 1:34:20.200 I'll wear the sweatsuits. 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:22.559 Those are some nice sweatsuits, T shirt and shirts I 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:24.679 you did cozy in the would. 1:34:24.479 --> 1:34:26.000 Come in and it's just like they look like I 1:34:26.040 --> 1:34:26.439 don't care. 1:34:26.560 --> 1:34:27.920 They really did not care. This year. 1:34:28.280 --> 1:34:31.519 I wasn't blown away with the fashion by you can't 1:34:31.560 --> 1:34:33.000 be flashy when you're six and a line. 1:34:33.680 --> 1:34:34.719 Focus on that nonsense. 1:34:34.880 --> 1:34:37.360 Wear the suits when you go undefeated, when you can 1:34:37.400 --> 1:34:38.680 win a few games in a row. 1:34:38.760 --> 1:34:40.560 Okay, will you walk with a little swagger now, with 1:34:40.680 --> 1:34:41.799 your tail the two of your legs. 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:43.120 Let's move on. 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:45.080 I think I'll to wear work shirts with their name 1:34:45.120 --> 1:34:46.519 out like they were in a garage, you know, And 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:49.799 it's just just as Joe or like bowling shirts something. 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:52.000 It looks like I'm going to work. 1:34:52.720 --> 1:34:55.280 We're going to move on to ruds because we are 1:34:55.360 --> 1:35:00.800 less than eighty days away until opening down what until 1:35:00.840 --> 1:35:03.200 all the fun starts up again? Okay, I don't know, 1:35:03.400 --> 1:35:10.080 get excited about Sunshine, about Sunshine, Tito warm Weather, Ellie Day, 1:35:10.120 --> 1:35:13.200 La Cruz not coming to Reds Fest. They released all 1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:14.679 the names of the people that are going to be there. 1:35:15.000 --> 1:35:16.680 He's not on that list, and I would like to 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:19.719 know why. I don't know why either, And what's he doing? 1:35:20.160 --> 1:35:21.120 Why can't he be there? 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:22.439 Winter ball? I don't know what. 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:24.960 I have seen him playing some ball out in Arizona, 1:35:25.040 --> 1:35:26.760 but it's like, hello, get on a plane, you can 1:35:26.760 --> 1:35:29.840 make it in three hours. I think everybody should have 1:35:29.880 --> 1:35:34.280 to be there. I think it's a volunteered thing. Guess 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:39.960 what Allie said, no pay right, minimum wage, minimum effort, 1:35:40.600 --> 1:35:42.920 SAT just raised minimum. 1:35:43.760 --> 1:35:45.559 The players are coming though, Yeah, we'll. 1:35:45.400 --> 1:35:47.880 See a lot of those guys, broadcasters things like that. 1:35:48.000 --> 1:35:51.879 So it all starts Friday night and then all day Saturday. 1:35:51.960 --> 1:35:55.920 Saturday is also the Reds Poker Tournament benefiting the Reds 1:35:55.920 --> 1:35:59.080 Community Fund. I will be playing in that thing, and 1:35:59.120 --> 1:36:02.080 I'm very excited about it. I'm sorry if I'm at 1:36:02.120 --> 1:36:04.599 your table, like, imagine being so excited that you're gonna 1:36:04.600 --> 1:36:06.280 have like a Reds player at your table and it's 1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:07.000 right me. 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:10.200 Yeah, I wouldn't do that. You know you should. 1:36:10.479 --> 1:36:12.680 You should just say wait, why don't we just why 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:14.479 don't we just start them and say changing the format 1:36:14.479 --> 1:36:15.679 there it's going to be strip poker. 1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:20.559 Oh stop, nobody wants to see that. Come on, let's 1:36:20.640 --> 1:36:24.719 keep it. But can you imagine these. 1:36:25.160 --> 1:36:27.559 Former former Reds players taking our shirts off. 1:36:27.600 --> 1:36:31.400 I feel bad for the people that have to get 1:36:31.400 --> 1:36:34.000 me at their table, Like, I'm sorry to disappoint. I 1:36:34.040 --> 1:36:36.720 know you spent like two hundred dollars to play in 1:36:36.760 --> 1:36:40.240 this journey and you're hoping that like a legit celebrity 1:36:40.320 --> 1:36:41.520 is at your table. 1:36:41.400 --> 1:36:42.439 For Red Strip Poker. 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:45.280 That's a whole nother website that that has nothing to 1:36:45.320 --> 1:36:45.720 do with me. 1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:47.439 See Sarah's only fans anyway. 1:36:48.200 --> 1:36:50.839 Anyways, that's what's trending on social media. 1:36:52.000 --> 1:36:53.840 You're also cringing, So you know I'm going to talk 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:56.639 more about Please don't Red strip poker. 1:36:56.760 --> 1:36:58.880 Please don't, because I'm thinking about the dudes in that 1:36:59.000 --> 1:36:59.759 room and no. 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:05.880 Gapper Wado Gapper takes us know what this something that. 1:37:05.800 --> 1:37:07.559 I want to find out in twenty twenty six? What 1:37:07.720 --> 1:37:11.280 exactly is Gapper? Is he a bear? Is he a bird? 1:37:11.400 --> 1:37:12.160 Is he a combo? 1:37:12.560 --> 1:37:13.679 Like a Philly fanatic? 1:37:13.720 --> 1:37:17.720 It's like it's it's really weird Jilly fanatic at the 1:37:17.720 --> 1:37:18.880 Bristol Speedway thing. 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:21.759 And he's odd, a little creepy, is a little creepy, 1:37:21.760 --> 1:37:22.080 all right. 1:37:22.520 --> 1:37:25.799 Apparently the dude that plays him as creepy, So explain 1:37:25.920 --> 1:37:27.400 some things. 1:37:27.600 --> 1:37:29.400 Hey, I used to be the Easter Bunny at Trike 1:37:29.439 --> 1:37:31.240 County Mall. I understand it. You gotta have a little 1:37:31.280 --> 1:37:34.880 creep about creep Yeah, exactly. You gotta be a little weird. 1:37:34.640 --> 1:37:34.960 All right. 1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:36.720 So there's not that respect. 1:37:36.760 --> 1:37:37.200 Bengals. 1:37:37.320 --> 1:37:41.200 We got the Reds and we have Miami university killing 1:37:41.280 --> 1:37:44.280 it with basketball and the EHL strike is over. 1:37:44.400 --> 1:37:45.880 So last like three days. 1:37:45.920 --> 1:37:48.320 It was three days, and I guess they'll eventually make 1:37:48.400 --> 1:37:50.880 up those games. Not sure when those makeup games will 1:37:50.880 --> 1:37:52.960 be announced. But glad that cycling hockey is bad. 1:37:53.000 --> 1:37:56.240 Well I tell you watching it's that there's a chant 1:37:56.280 --> 1:37:58.080 and it had that going on for a period of 1:37:58.160 --> 1:37:58.960 time a few weeks. 1:37:59.000 --> 1:38:01.800 That might have been the end of the Yeah, so 1:38:02.520 --> 1:38:04.680 glad that those guys are going to get exactly what 1:38:04.800 --> 1:38:05.880 they were striking about. 1:38:07.320 --> 1:38:11.240 Treatment. Yay, Miami, let's go red hooks baby sixteen to no. 1:38:11.680 --> 1:38:12.240 You know it's bad. 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:16.320 When we got to go to Oxford for sports, nobody 1:38:16.360 --> 1:38:18.600 cares about Miami until they did. They're good, right, It's like, 1:38:18.680 --> 1:38:21.920 you know, I've always cared XU. It's like, yeah, they 1:38:22.280 --> 1:38:23.280 well what about Miami. 1:38:23.360 --> 1:38:25.360 Oh yeah, they've your place tonight. They're in Milwaukee. 1:38:25.560 --> 1:38:28.360 If if the wheels fall off Miami with you, hope 1:38:28.360 --> 1:38:30.160 they don't, But then what do you do you owe? 1:38:30.240 --> 1:38:31.160 You you go to Dayton. 1:38:31.600 --> 1:38:34.439 This is this is when we just look forward to 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:37.240 Opening day, NonStop countdowns. 1:38:37.560 --> 1:38:40.680 Yeah, nothing like this New Year's depression to go on 1:38:40.880 --> 1:38:42.760 here with our sports teams because there's no just no 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:43.280 good news. 1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:45.040 Miami, Miami. 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:48.479 That's it, all right, Sarah at least trying to make 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:50.240 sure you go to a reds dot com and the 1:38:50.320 --> 1:38:52.439 REDS Community Fund sign up for Sarah Stripto. 1:38:53.040 --> 1:38:54.240 It's just regular poker. 1:38:55.160 --> 1:38:57.360 Spread the rumors you're a poker with Sarah seven