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Speaker 1: Fan, It's time for another edition of Mace in your

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Speaker 1: Face now along with College Football Immortality Glenn Mason, here's Dan.

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Speaker 2: Moorero Mace in your Face. It is indeed that time again,

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Speaker 2: four o'clock hour. The bratch On Bridekafan text line is

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Speaker 2: open at six four six eight six h Questions for

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Speaker 2: mace certainly passed those along, as you usually do, and

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Speaker 2: many of you already have. Man, they're they're already coming

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Speaker 2: in pretty fast. Actually, yeah, well let me tell you something.

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Speaker 2: I can hardly believe my eyes.

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Speaker 3: I walked in here.

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Speaker 2: Why is that?

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Speaker 3: And you talk about someone jumping on the bandway? What

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Speaker 3: does that mean? What is your sweatshirt? Say? Indiana Football?

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Speaker 3: I mean, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: You think I'm a fraud?

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Speaker 3: Well I knew you were a fraud, but now, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you just have no pride?

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Speaker 4: Well why can't you support my Almlanda. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: just it's my school. Well I know, I know we've

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Speaker 4: suffered through a lot of bad seasons. Well I know that,

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Speaker 4: but it's here we come now.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised you haven't tried to hit me to get

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Speaker 3: some tickets to go down to a game or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably should have.

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Speaker 3: I think what's going on? Yeah you do? Actually at

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Speaker 3: the coffee shop? Is that? Let me just tell you something, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think it's absolutely great. What's going on in Bloomington, Indiana? Now.

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are saying stuff like, whoa,

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Speaker 3: I bet that Mark Coopan, he's the guy. What do

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Speaker 3: you kidding? Meet Mark Coopan for a guy that knows

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Speaker 3: you could have told me that Kurt Signetti could have

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Speaker 3: backed up two Brinks trucks full of cash and said,

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Speaker 3: do whatever you want to do, there's no rules or whatever,

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Speaker 3: and if that's not enough, we'll bring two more. And

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Speaker 3: he couldn't accomplish what's happening right now in Bloomington, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: And the reason I say that it's great and that's

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Speaker 3: what I love about college sports. Have you ever seen

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Speaker 3: how that stadium is? I mean they're pouring out. I

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Speaker 3: mean like you put an Indiana sweat dron. That's why

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Speaker 3: intercollegiate athletics, especially football, is so important to universities, and

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Speaker 3: so many people don't get it now. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if the president of Indiana University.

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Speaker 5: Got it before, but I bet he's getting it now

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Speaker 5: because everyplace he's going. You know, he said, hell, President, Billy,

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Speaker 5: Bob boy, you gotta go. Let me take my checkbook.

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Speaker 5: I really like what's going on. And by the way,

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Speaker 5: can you get my little bit better tickets?

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Speaker 3: And you know the playoff game and when they play

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Speaker 3: Ohio State Indianapolis, I need one of those boxes in there.

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Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, you know what the

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Speaker 3: guy's thinking, and this is pretty good. And then more importantly,

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Speaker 3: when the detractors come out from within about why are

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Speaker 3: you doing all this for athletics, you'll say you like

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Speaker 3: working here because if you don't like working here, because

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Speaker 3: this is going to be done, go find a place

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Speaker 3: some other place. That's what happens at those places, and

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Speaker 3: hopefully they'll just keep it going.

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Speaker 2: Well, money, I'm sure you could speak to this. If

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Speaker 2: you're a place where there's been a lack of money,

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Speaker 2: whether it's fat cats or whatever, it builds on itself, right,

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Speaker 2: So if you have momentum like Indiana does, then there

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Speaker 2: might be ten more fat cats that suddenly say, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I want to be a part of this.

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Speaker 2: I'll write your check. I never thought of it before,

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Speaker 2: and then it didn't really make a lot of sense,

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Speaker 2: but I'll write you to check. That's the beauty of it.

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Speaker 2: It can become self sustaining if you get the right

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Speaker 2: momentum going and suddenly everybody wants it is jumping on

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Speaker 2: the bandwagon, but it's it's kind of bandwagon jumping. As

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Speaker 2: a coach, you'd you would, I think welcome if it's

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Speaker 2: a check for I don't know, five million bucks right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And here to your point, what happens then people

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Speaker 3: love what's happening in Indiana right now? You have to

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Speaker 3: you'd have to be not very smart if you if

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Speaker 3: you're connected and you want that university to do well,

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Speaker 3: you're not going to say what's happening to their football

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Speaker 3: part is good. What happens is everybody's gonna give Signetti

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Speaker 3: the credit rightfully. So, I mean he's the guy who

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Speaker 3: had taken all the criticism. But if this keeps going,

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Speaker 3: you know what, that translates into dan power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: And then if he's the right time of guy, he

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Speaker 3: doesn't abuse that power, but people will come to him

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Speaker 3: and then say, coach, we love what you've done. What

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Speaker 3: do you need now to keep it going? And and

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Speaker 3: then he'll be aware to know what the people pople

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Speaker 3: that are really has the Ohio states and the Alabama's

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Speaker 3: and the text. He knows what they have, and you

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Speaker 3: know what he'll say is this is what they have,

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Speaker 3: this is what I need, and then somehow, some way

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Speaker 3: they'll get it done because the people that are making

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Speaker 3: decisions want to keep that thing going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one hundred percent true. There's no question about that.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk. We'll get a little more on the Hoosiers.

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Speaker 2: I think they're off this week. They played Purdue next week,

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Speaker 2: get to I know you have a couple of things

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Speaker 3: Interesting things on my plate.

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Speaker 2: Well you want to go, you can go right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean I just know, you know a couple of

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Speaker 3: things that I look at. Everybody talks about it, you know,

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Speaker 3: I look at some of this stuff, these rankings, you.

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Speaker 2: Know all this, Yes, you know talking about for the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they come out and you know, you wonder how

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Speaker 3: they do it. But the other thing about it is,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how they come up with when you

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Speaker 3: look at the current rankings, okay, and you look at

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Speaker 3: the teams that have wins against current ranked teams. You

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Speaker 3: know the people that have beat other people that are good. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Ohio State and there number one, they have one win,

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Speaker 3: Indiana has one win, Texas A and M has two wins.

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Speaker 3: Georgia has three wins. Okay, And you go all the

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Speaker 3: way down the list. Alabama and that's not having by

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Speaker 3: their stands at a very good year. They're at number ten,

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Speaker 3: they've got four wins. So I guess what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, is it do you do you get? Do

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Speaker 3: you get? Is it a benefit when you win someone

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Speaker 3: somebody You're Indiana, okay, because this has been one of

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Speaker 3: your deals forever. How you have unmercifully always criticized the

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Speaker 3: golfers for a weak non conference schedule all the time,

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Speaker 3: like they're the only ones that do it. Okay, Right,

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Speaker 3: you do that all the time, and you wonder you're.

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Speaker 2: Going to do the Alabama example again, Well, I do it.

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Speaker 3: All the time. Well you know when you look at

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Speaker 3: two things. First of all, when Kirk Signetti was criticized

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Speaker 3: I'm just doing an sec schedule. No one's criticized in

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Speaker 3: his schedule. Now he had a plan, but everybody wanted

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Speaker 3: to criticize him, including you, especially if he would have

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Speaker 3: been the golfer coach rather than THEA coach. But I'm

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Speaker 3: glad you've moved on though, you know, because I just

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Speaker 3: like to set this record stake. But this week, this week,

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Speaker 3: you've got number three Texas A and M, which is

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Speaker 3: having a great year. Some people think they're the best

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Speaker 3: for okay, Charlotte is going to number four Georgia Charlotte.

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Speaker 3: Is Brewster still there at Charlotte, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: Alabama is hosting Eastern Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Illinois Illinois, come on, yeah, okay?

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Speaker 3: And then LSU. They've got their problems, but they had

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Speaker 3: got Western Kentucky, so you know, you know, it's kind

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Speaker 3: They're going to get the NOD no matter what in

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Speaker 3: this college football playoff. But you got Alabama at ten

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Speaker 3: and you got Notre Dame at nine. Okay, yes, Notre

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Speaker 3: Dame's big win this year. They beat number fifteen USC

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Speaker 3: at which a lot of people would question if they're

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Speaker 3: number fourteen Vanderbilt, number twenty Tennessee, and number twenty two Missouri.

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Speaker 3: So at least on that, you say, you know who

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Speaker 3: The Navy's having a great year, but there's still Navy.

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Speaker 2: You know how well you should be on the committee.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you on the committee? Why because all the

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Speaker 2: time in the world you maybe you could help some

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Speaker 3: You know, I because I would talk to.

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Speaker 2: This oh yeah, and yeah, you can't do that.

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Speaker 3: And then the guys that really run it aren't those guys.

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Speaker 3: It's the guys that in the back room, like the

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Speaker 3: Wizard of Oz that pulled the string. That's true called TV.

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Speaker 2: You think TV's and show, there's no doubt you think

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Speaker 2: they are making the decisions.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of swindles out there. If

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Speaker 3: you don't think there's not swindles in this college football

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Speaker 3: playoff and unless stuff of your wrong, Well.

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Speaker 2: Do you then feel how many years did you work

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Speaker 2: Know, it's a long time.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't I have? Like fourteen?

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Speaker 3: Fourteen?

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Speaker 2: Do you feel any guilt for that?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Well, because I mean that you're then you're part of

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Speaker 2: the kabbab I spoke working for the government.

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Speaker 3: Not even do I still work for him? Now? Maybe

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Speaker 3: I know still work I talked about that it is?

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Speaker 6: Or no?

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Speaker 2: Maybe now you wouldn't never, you never would have said

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Speaker 3: That's not true, you know, No, I was. No, I

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Speaker 3: was not a total company man. That was.

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Speaker 2: That's good to know. Larry Mondela guy's checking in. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna love this. It was always we're talking about quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: and I want to talk about JJ with you in

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Speaker 2: a bit.

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Speaker 3: Uh. He says.

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Speaker 2: It was always hard to tell if Mason's quarterbacks were

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Speaker 2: struggling like McCarthy because he ran the ball seventy five

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Speaker 2: times a game. It's Larry Mondela Guy.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Larry, who's the first team in college football to

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Speaker 3: run for two thousand yards and throw for two thousand

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Speaker 3: yards in the same season two years in a row.

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Speaker 3: Check it out, Larry.

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Speaker 2: It is senior face. It's just trying to let me.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Larry, if you're a Gopher fan, I bet you

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Speaker 3: wish they could run the football like we used to run.

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Speaker 2: Why there, there, it is senior face. There, it is

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Speaker 2: man the as we say across the bow.

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Speaker 3: I got a great story for you want to hear it? Now?

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Speaker 2: Why why not have your show?

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Speaker 3: Is a little dull? Anyway, I was watching b yu

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Speaker 2: You have told that story. So was he faking it

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Speaker 2: Hell of a battle already with Tulane in Memphis. This

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Speaker 3: If you're going to buy into that mentality, why play

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Speaker 2: No, that's true.

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of times you get beat like that,

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know what my answer is, if you're a

432
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Speaker 3: real go over fan, who's in charge of raising the

433
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Speaker 3: I in m money, get after them. What's their job?

434
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,959
Speaker 3: You know, if you're going to compete in the Big ten,

435
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 3: maybe the competition level has gone to someone else. It's

436
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 3: not just the coach, you know why. I mean I

437
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: heard forever when I was here. Oh, look at the

438
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: Twin City. Look at all the Fortune five. You know,

439
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: there's nothing in Iowa City. There's nothing in the brat.

440
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 3: I mean, no one has the resources. Well is everybody

441
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 3: tapping those resources? I don't know. But the thing that

442
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 3: I think has to be noted forever, even before nil

443
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. If you would have looked at

444
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 3: the football budgets even when I coached here, you know

445
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 3: you could say we were a fraction of what highest

446
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 3: state was spending and I used to say, wait a minute.

447
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 3: If a highest state has to spend that with all

448
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: the built in advantage that they have that I know

449
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: that they have, what do you think we have to spend?

450
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: Why do you think that they can get to the

451
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: roadstalls right when their budgets twenty five million in ours

452
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: is ten. Don't make any sense?

453
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Speaker 2: All right, let's break bottom of the hour. A lot

454
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: of good text coming in, by the way, I'm hearing that.

455
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: Most recently, Brew was the was the associate head coach

456
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: at Sacramento State. Wow, that came after and you know him.

457
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: It's like every year he's someplace else. That is the

458
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 2: That's the last I can find associate senior associate head

459
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Speaker 2: coach for Sack State. He was hired for that position

460
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: in June twenty twenty five, and he was interim head

461
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: coach in Charlotte in late twenty twenty four. More with

462
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Speaker 2: Mace don't forget Kessler coming up after the top five

463
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Speaker 2: at five back.

464
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465
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466
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467
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470
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Speaker 7: details kf an dot com, key or calendar. I can't

471
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Speaker 7: find It's turning into a mystery. That's bugging me. I

472
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 7: can't find our guy Brew on the Sacramento State site

473
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 7: any longer. And I'm looking at a story that he

474
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 7: was hired there this past summer.

475
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what's going on with Brew. Has

476
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: he already gone to he did he, you know, get replaced.

477
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 2: We'll try to get to the bottom of I know

478
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: there's some Brew historians out there who can help us.

479
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: Uh what give me your take and your read on

480
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: the Lane Kiffin story? Oh boy, I mean, because there's

481
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff going on there.

482
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh. You don't hear him say I'm staying

483
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 3: at all miss You know, I said I'm going to

484
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: address the rumors with my players, So what what does

485
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: that mean? Manell? The day before Nick Saban went to Alabama,

486
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 3: it's fun of everybody said I Am not going to

487
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: Alabama Boom until he was us. I did see where

488
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 3: he came out and one of the things he said,

489
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 3: you know, when you're considering jobs as a coach, in

490
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 3: his mind, you should consider two things, the ability to

491
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 3: win a national championship and approximity proximity to talent. Well,

492
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: based on those two things in recent history, you think

493
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: he's either going to LSU or he's going to Florida,

494
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: you know, and probably LSU. I mean, it seems like

495
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: everybody wins a national championship except Brian Kelly at LSU.

496
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 3: Now they don't last long after that, and the talent

497
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: down in Louisiana is unbelievable. So I wouldn't be a

498
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 3: bit surprised that he would go. He would leave Ole Miss.

499
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: He's done a great job there. I'm not a big

500
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: playe Kiffin fown, but he's a good football coach. And

501
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: everybody would say the one job that he really, really,

502
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 3: really always want was Alabama. And I know a lot

503
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: of I know some Alabama people they wanted him last

504
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: time around. You know, they think he's a heck of

505
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 3: a coach, and he is. Now. There's some other questionable stuff.

506
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: Well, we've gone through some of that before. Here's the

507
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: I think the more important question to me, does the

508
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: school have a right to say we're figuring this out now,

509
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: or you're not coaching the rest of the way, including

510
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: the postseason. Is that too tough of a stand for

511
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: the school to take, or do they have a right

512
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: to take?

513
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: Employer? But a lot of times people are afraid to

514
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: ask the tough question because they know the answer that

515
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: they might get and they don't want him to leave,

516
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: and they're afraid that they do that. If he says, well,

517
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure, but I'm going now. You know, you

518
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So you think it's dangerous, Yeah,

519
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: I think that they're that if you're old, miss, you're

520
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: probably wishing in one hand and doing something else on

521
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 3: the other hand. And and you know, it's gonna probably

522
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: fill up faster. If he's gonna go, he's gonna go.

523
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: And the only thing they can do is behind the

524
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: scenes say hey, we know, we really want to keep you,

525
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: and what else do we have to do to keep you?

526
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: So it sounds like what you're saying is you just got

527
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: to play it out. I think so, even though it's uncomfortable,

528
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: even though it's weird, and you may well be he

529
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: may well be lame ducking it. You got to just

530
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: you know, I had.

531
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Speaker 3: A coach one time when I was at Minnesota that

532
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: I did exactly what you're talking about. He came to

533
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: you know, I would lose I hate to say it,

534
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: I'd lose coaches to inferior program inferior conferences for more

535
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 3: money that I couldn't pay him. And I had a guy, Uh,

536
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: we're getting ready to play Alabama. And I had a

537
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: coach come to me and said, you know, I got

538
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: a call from so and so and he wants to

539
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: talk to me about a job. And I just, quite

540
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, said what are you taking it

541
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: or not? Well, I don't know, but he you know,

542
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: I know him from college, and I think I should

543
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: talk to him. And I said, no, here's the deal.

544
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: Either you're going to take the job or you're not

545
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: going to take the job. But that's the way it is.

546
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: And he said, well, I said, well, you think about

547
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: overnight come in and he said, came in the next

548
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 3: day and he said, well, I'm not sure. So I'm

549
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: going to make it easy for you take the job

550
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: because you're not coaching here anymore. What I said, you're not,

551
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: I said, I either you're in or you're out. I

552
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: need a hundred percent in and uh so we went

553
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: and he left, and uh he probably would have left anyway,

554
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: that's my point, you know what I mean. And for

555
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: a couple it was it was Greg Hudson, who I

556
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: really like. So he went, he left, He left Minnesota

557
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: Big ten and he went to East Carolina. You know,

558
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: come on, that.

559
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: Makes no sense where he understood where you're coming.

560
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: And I told I'll take you to the ball game

561
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: and take your family ball game, but you're not going

562
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: to coach. So I was the defensive coordinator for the

563
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: Alabama game. And and when that workout and we won

564
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: the game, won the game. Yeah, I was that that game.

565
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah that was Nashville, right, What do you mean Nashville? Nashville,

566
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: wasn't that? I said, National Nashville. Yeah, Music is your

567
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: favorite bowl, Music City Bowl.

568
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: They got a statue of you at the Music City

569
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: should probably they probably should. So it's it's pretty much setting.

570
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: I mean, does does Michigan have a chance to knock

571
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: off a house state? I mean, we're all assuming it's Gonulna,

572
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: be any any out Ohio state in the.

573
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: I didn't think they had a chance last year. Yeah,

574
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: I mean I really didn't. You know. I was traveling

575
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: that weekend and I think I had a chance, and

576
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: I was in an airport and I saw, if you remember,

577
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: Michigan was driving and they threw an interception down on

578
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: the goal line.

579
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

580
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got on a plane. Off the plane.

581
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: They won the game. I couldn't believe it. I don't

582
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: know how they beat him again, and yeah, you know,

583
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: and it turned out that twelve game playoff. Ryan Dade

584
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: probably not the coach at Aida state'rue. I'm just telling

585
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: you because losing the Michigan three years in a row,

586
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: I mean they wanted to They wanted to hang him

587
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: in Columbus in Ohio. Then he wins a national championship

588
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: and now he's God gives the coaching, but you lose again.

589
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: I don't know is twelve the right number. I mean,

590
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: everybody assumes we're going to go to sixteen on the playoffs.

591
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: Money wise, sure, yeah, maybe more TV.

592
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: You saw where I saw the article where the Big

593
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: ten they were really thinking about taking the private equity money.

594
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: You remember what's happening. You look at the guy and

595
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: I don't know him, and I'm sure he's a fine gentleman.

596
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: The commissioner the Big ten. Now he's got a TV background.

597
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: You not a coach, not an educate, he is TV.

598
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: And I told you everything.

599
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: But there was two teams that did not want it, okay,

600
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: and it was Michigan and USC to the place where

601
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is true or not, where

602
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: Michigan says, well, we'll go independent. We're not going to

603
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: go that route like that. And then I also saw

604
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: that to my point, the rich get richer if they

605
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: did that, the distribution of the money was not going

606
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: to be equal. You know, you had Thai schools, you

607
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 3: had three schools. We're going to get like one hundred

608
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: and ninety million, and then the rest of them were

609
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: going to get one hundred and fifty million. Well one

610
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: hundred fifty million lont of money, but it's not as

611
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 3: much as one hundred and ninety million, you know. So

612
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 3: it's it's a crazy crazy. The thing is broke. This

613
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: thing is absolutely broke right now. And and tell you

614
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: to the first thing they have to do, the whole

615
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: focus is on generating revenue. Well, there's another issue that

616
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: you you do when you have financial problem, you get

617
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 3: spending under control. I mean, they're spending it faster than

618
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: they're making it. I mean, it's it's absolutely crazy.

619
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: There's no under control spending being done right now.

620
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: I said, to affect. Our guy's not here.

621
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in where you used to coach.

622
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: He's in Kansas Buffet Lane. Bob is down at Lawrence, Kansas.

623
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: That's correct.

624
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: What when I said to him, he said, we're going

625
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: down to women's basketball, and so that's not a bad

626
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: driving someone. We charter see you Charter, Yeah, we you

627
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: know charter all games, you know, I think all sports do.

628
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if you make money, loose money or whatever.

629
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: But you know they're I mean when I used to

630
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: go back to Lawrence, Kansas, I didn't fly. I drove.

631
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: You did, did absolutely well. You like driving though, well

632
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: I know that, but I like to well.

633
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: By the time I would would have to drive to

634
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: the airport and park the car and get there an

635
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: hour early. And then you fly there. Then you got

636
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: to rent a car and drive it along. And the

637
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: best thing is when I was done whenever I was doing,

638
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: to get the car and drive out.

639
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: That's true, that's the advantage.

640
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: But it's crazy. It's at of control right now, they

641
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: and you know back in the college football I talked

642
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: about before they used to have the what are they

643
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: CFA College Football Association back in the late eighties. Prior

644
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: to that, it was all about TV again because prior

645
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: to that, the ncua A controlled the TV contract and

646
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: they put sixty three schools together, Pack ten. Big ten

647
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: were not part of it. They didn't want any part

648
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: of it, and it was all about how we're going

649
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: to generate get away from that, have a lawsuit, be

650
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 3: able to have our own conferences. But the other thing

651
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: they talked about, and there's an athletic director at the

652
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: University of Tennessee by named Doug Vickie, it only ever

653
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: talked about was cost containment. Big word fellas, if we

654
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: don't get our cost under control, we're going to be

655
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: out of business. He couldn't have been more wrong. Well,

656
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 3: the other thing he was doing, it was really a

657
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: swindle because well he was talking to that Tennessee was

658
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: building all these.

659
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: One hundred thousand seat stadiums there as I say, not

660
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: as I do. That's true. I one more break. I

661
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: do want to talk JJ McCarthy with you, because that's

662
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: a big topic of conversation around here. We'll get to

663
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: some texts regarding that, and a couple other leftovers for Mace.

664
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: Top five at five yet to come with an injury

665
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: report that's going to be milked by Brett blakemore because

666
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 2: the Packers have a lot more injuries than do the Vikings.

667
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: He's setting up the excuse for Sunday at Lambeau and

668
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: then Kessler. I think it's just walked in the room.

669
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: He will join at about five point.

670
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 6: Thirty time now for the Vikings report on the van

671
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 6: presented by Miller Lte. Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen joins

672
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 6: danbur room.

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Speaker 2: Next, Marc, one more quickie with Mace in your face

674
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: before the top five at five. Mace, let me up

675
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: this part of the conversation with an exchange. Well, actually

676
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: wasn't an exchange. It was a tweet by Chris Carter,

677
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: a response by Chris Carter to somebody else's tweet, and

678
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: then somebody responding to what Chris Carter had to say.

679
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: So apparently Sunday I think this was Sunday. At some

680
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 2: point after the Vikings loss, another media member whose name

681
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: now escapes me, got on Twitter to praise McCarthy's clutch

682
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: Gene regarding that last drive where after a bad game

683
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: he did have a good drive down the stretch. They

684
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: go ahead, they can hold the lead. Chris Carter, who

685
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: was in the building by the way, yesterday or I

686
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: should say Sunday as it turns out, responded to that

687
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: tweet about the clutch gene by writing did you watch

688
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: the first fifty nine minutes? And then Carter also added

689
00:36:54,239 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: a thumbs down emoji, at which point I guess Private

690
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: position coach for JJ McCarthy his name is Hulcombe. Greg

691
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: Holcombe responded, hold on, you put your mic on. He

692
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: didn't put your mic on. It's nice of Blakemore to

693
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: pay attention. Well, it's unbelievable. He's too busy talking to kiss.

694
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: Private position coach.

695
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: Well that's how I don't even know. You tell me

696
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: what is that? Then it's a different world now, Mace,

697
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: Private position coach wrote bleeping clown to Chris Carter. Now

698
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: I got Chris Carter back on the phone today because

699
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: we had him on Monday, and I said, you want

700
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: to respond and he said, yeah, I'm not going to

701
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: go back on the radio. My response is, who is

702
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: this guy?

703
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: Like?

704
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: To your point, absolutely no idea. So you tell me

705
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: what you see with McCarthy. I mean, obviously they got

706
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: to play him. I mean you got to keep playing them,

707
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: you got to get him out there. But what what

708
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: when you watch him? I mean, it was pretty bad

709
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: before it got good late. Again, he's young. There are

710
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: a lot of young quarterbacks who are inaccurate but statistic

711
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: by Turthy analytics. He's historic. He's been historically bad thus far.

712
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: So what do you think.

713
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: Well, you know, first of all, you go right to

714
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: I talked about before that when you win, the quarterback

715
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: gets way too much prize and praise. I mean, you

716
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: lose too much criticism. And if they hadn't given that

717
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: kickoff return, Yeah, and they win, to the end of

718
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: the game, the whole focus would have been on, boy,

719
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: what a clutch player. I agree. Now I'm saying that

720
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: you just don't look at one play. You just don't

721
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: you look at the whole body of work, so to speak.

722
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 3: And you've heard me talk about this before, evaluating players.

723
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: And I used to talk about quarterbacks, so this isn't

724
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: specific to J. J. McCarthy, but I said, you know

725
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: a lot of good quarterbacks. Good quarterbacks, they're ten handicappers.

726
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: That's a problem when you're a coach. Okay, unless you

727
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: have a great, great supporting cast. I said. The reason

728
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: why it's a problem because anybody who plays golf, you know,

729
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: you have a ten handicapper, he can you know, on

730
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: a given day, might shoot seventy nine. He shoots seventy nine,

731
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 3: you wing win. Everybody's dancing. That same handicapper might shoot

732
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 3: ninety two. The day he shoots ninety two, you get fired.

733
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: You know. That's why it is. Now. If a guy's

734
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: a five handicap quarterback, okay, he might shoot a seventy

735
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: six for you, he ain't never gonna shoot a ninety two.

736
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is the consistency. And that's what I

737
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 3: see in JJ McCarthy. I mean some of those passes

738
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: that sailed so far over his head. And I was

739
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: watching the game and Tom Brady, I thought, was doing

740
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: a pretty good job of trying to defend his brother brother,

741
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I'm sure what he's thinking.

742
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: He said, I never threw a pass like that. You know,

743
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: I never threw a pass like that at Michigan May.

744
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. It sounds like I'm being a Christy

745
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: j Jim McCart I'm not. He Yeah, he's young, but

746
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: some of those things like that, you know, learning the

747
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 3: complexity of defense of the National Football League and the

748
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: pressure that you're always under. That he never had to

749
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: deal with the pass rush when he was playing for

750
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: Michigan because his offensive line was a lot better than

751
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 3: those guys that were rushing. That's not true in pro football.

752
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: But when when you're not and the guy's wide open

753
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: and the ball sales ten feet over a guy's head.

754
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: I think that's the ten handicapper problem. Yeah, that's fair,

755
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: it's true. You know. You know, if if at that

756
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 3: point in time as you mature, you know, a ten handicapper,

757
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: if he practices a lot and gets a little bit

758
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 3: better and stuff, he may be an eight. He ain't

759
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: never going to be a five, you know. And that's

760
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: my analogy.

761
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 2: Chris Carter is getting ripped by some Vikings fans for saying,

762
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: if you're an ex player, you shouldn't be that critical,

763
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: and that the only reason he's being that critical is

764
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy went to the University of Michigan, big rival

765
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: of your Ohio State. Is that fair?

766
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 5: Uh?

767
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I I think and I

768
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: understand where that critician would come from, but I think

769
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: you would attest to, uh, yeah, I went to a

770
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: high state. I'm not a high state fan.

771
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: No.

772
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: I mean I used to say I had to compete

773
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: against him, I had to recruit against him, I had

774
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: to play against him. And then when I became a

775
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 3: TV guy who really worked hard to really be generic.

776
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: You know, I coached a high state played a high

777
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: state coach of Minnesota. I coached it on on. I

778
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 3: didn't want anybody to know why I coached any of

779
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: those places. I just wanted to be a guy that

780
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: hopefully knew you know, knew something about football. But my

781
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: point is it's been a long time since Chris Carter

782
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: was at a high state. Those those feelings get the

783
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: finished over time, I think, especially when you've played the

784
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: career that Chris Carter had. Yeah, and I mentioned this again,

785
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: Chris Carter. Chris Carter is the smartest football player I

786
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: was ever around. He played wide receiver at Ohio State

787
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: when I was there, and you know, we were knowing

788
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: to run the plub I'll tell you he was a

789
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: great receiver. But I'm gonna tell you I can still

790
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: see him and here he played X receiver. He come

791
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: on and look over that defense. He'd be going to

792
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: the quarterback. What what's coming?

793
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 2: What's coming?

794
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: He could pick it help like that.

795
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, even before, did you spend any time around him here?

796
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: Did you overlap year at all?

797
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: No? No, I think he was gone.

798
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: But has you already gone by that? I can't even remember.

799
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: I guess, Yeah, you've been gone. You've been gone a

800
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: while from head coaching job. I mean you're still.

801
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: Eighteen years time. Uh, and you had something to do

802
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: with it, So don't I had nothing to do it.

803
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: Don't even start going back. Power. Yeah, no, power, You

804
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: had the power of the pants. You know people forty

805
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: down he used to write to.

806
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: Most people don't even know that. I know, seriously, the

807
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: kids don't have no idea that I have a wrote.

808
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: Away from you, and you got to.

809
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna like this. This is solid Blaine on college

810
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: the state of college football. It is broke. Penn State

811
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: fires their coach and he's now the coach at Virginia Tech.

812
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly and his fake accents fired. Also, uh knows

813
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: who knows where he lands. You got Kiffin who's coaching

814
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: a playoff team and his rumor here and there, players

815
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: moving every year, starting to get tough to enjoy college sports,

816
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: basically pro sports without rules. I know they got some

817
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: sort of salary cap, but that's a joke. There really

818
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: is no cap in college sports. Now, that's solid, Blaine.

819
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: You probably agree with you.

820
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent. A guy I

821
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: loved college football. I owe so much to college football.

822
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: I can't even tell you. It's hard for me to worry.

823
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: Even you can't even recognize it now, can't.

824
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: And the important things are lost now, Dan, I really

825
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: believe that when when college athletics used to and I'll

826
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: say football providing an opportunity to earn your scholarship, to

827
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: earn pay your weights through school because you earned it,

828
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: because you went out. There was no free ride. You

829
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: earned every sense of it. But the things that were emphasized,

830
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: like getting an education and learning how to be a

831
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: good leader, a good teammate, a good citizen, behaving yourself,

832
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: you know, all that kind of stuff that's meaningless now.

833
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: And the reason I say that is that the reality

834
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: was no one sold pro football because such a small

835
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: percentage of guys would ever get a chance. The only

836
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: thing they could count on to better themselves is if

837
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: they got the education that they ended up with a degree.

838
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: That's all. I don't think. I don't think anybody even

839
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: sells that stuff anymore. They don't want to hear it.

840
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: All they want to hear is what's my nil package?

841
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: And that's it. And the wird thing about it. So

842
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 3: if you're not a half and you go in and

843
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: you do a good job of evaluating and getting players

844
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: and do a good job but developing them like we

845
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: did here you know Minnesota, well you develop him, you

846
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 3: know what happens because the transfer portal, someone will steal

847
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: him and he's gone. It's crazy.

848
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 2: We have the good friends at Jack's Cafe to thank

849
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: for bringing us the wit and wisdom of Glen and what.

850
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: What better place to spend some holiday times. That's a

851
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: great point. Actually, yeah, you're right, I mean, yeah, thanks,

852
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: he got there. They got the Christmas tree up and

853
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 3: all that stuff.

854
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: And come to think of it, we're gonna have to

855
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: rearrange next week's schedule because I am not working on Wednesday.

856
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: We are off on Wednesday, so we're going to work

857
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: around that.

858
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: Are you committed or not?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you the story off air Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 2: there's a good backstory that I don't think the listeners

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Speaker 2: care about any Okay, he's got to get to the update.

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Speaker 2: What's coming up in the update

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Speaker 7: Wild Wolves both in action tonight and some injury report updates.