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Speaker 1: It's going to be speaking tonight. Empower You America dot

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Speaker 1: you're first going to hear I think first from Monty Lobb,

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Speaker 1: But you're the keynote speaker tonight, Hunter Oswald. Who's joining

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Speaker 1: me this morning or joining us this morning? Philimbeth Gayzwick's

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Speaker 1: what they have to say. You'll be glad you did.

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Speaker 1: of other outlets. In addition to writing, he served as

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Speaker 1: That topic's not gone away and the importance in addressing

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Speaker 1: national security matters. Tonight an important conversation. He'll be speaking

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Speaker 1: about the future of gen Z conservatism. Hunter Oswald, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Morning Show. It's a pleasure to have you

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on, Brian.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's break down these Okay, boomers are nineteen

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Speaker 1: This is the future of America in politics, is it not?

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Speaker 2: It is. In fact, gen Z has been really taken

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Speaker 1: But you can't force me to say you're a woman

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Speaker 2: Just don't impose your ideology on somebody and force them

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Speaker 2: We're not going to give you these privileges, We're not

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Speaker 1: Are indeed, and of course, when you're a Marxist, you

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Speaker 2: Precisely. Yeah. No, gen Z is definitely being a revival

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Speaker 1: Hunter Oswald, It's going to be an amazing conversation. Empower

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Speaker 2: Why absolutely yeah no, and and I hope to see

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Speaker 1: watching this seminar, Hunter Oswall to wish you the best

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Speaker 2: Would be more than what Hey, thank you again Brian

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Speaker 2: for having me.

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Speaker 1: On my pleasure man. Enjoy the seminar tonight. It's eight

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Speaker 1: twenty one right now, folks. Jay Ratt