1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: So No. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 2: Five fifty five care CIT Talk Station ain't very happy 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 2: Wednesday to you. Always made it extra special for me, 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: and I know somebody of my listening audience feels the 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: same way, considering the emails and the messages I get 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: about Jack Atherton. It's time for the Big Picture with 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: Jack Athden, taking place every Wednesday at seven oh five 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: here on the fifty five CARC Morning Show. Welcome back, 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: my friend. It is a distinct pleasure as always to 10 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: have you on the show, sir. 11 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Thanks pal and folks. If you didn't hear the beginning 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: of today's show, I would urge you to go back 13 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: and listen to the podcast because Brian, I agree with 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: everything you said about meritocracy and would like to continue 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: that conversation. You're the from a different angle. 16 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: You were the springboard man. I didn't have any idea 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: which direction you were going to go. It just said 18 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: history of meritocracy is your subject matter. But I thought 19 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: it kind of provided a springboard for the commentary. So 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and I guess I, based of all 21 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: you just said, I didn't interfere with your your analysis 22 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: on this way, So let's take it down your road. 23 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: Well, I'm never going to tell you my topics again 24 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: because you can't match what you said? Could we? This morning? 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Give a shout out to folks who don't get no respect. 26 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about workers at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. 27 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: There's a punchline there for comedians like Rodney. They are lazy, 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: snarleaning competence. We wait an hour to call your number 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: and then refuse to renew your license without twenty forms 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: of ID. But Brian, that's not my experience. In Hamilton 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: and now Butler Counties, I've encountered nothing but helpful, smiling 32 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: faces as BMV clerks gently remind me not to drive 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: without my mister mcgoog glasses. I'm a big fan of 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: most government workers generally, but only when those workers are 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: doing necessary work and know what they're doing. This is 36 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: not always the case. Some government workers are so clueless 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: or so arrogant and even corron But you wonder how 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: they ever got hired. Actually, people have been wondering for 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: thousands of years. You know, we get into history takes 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: someone many of us know only from fortune cookies, Confucius. 41 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: He was a big booster, Brian of government meritocracy. In fact, merit, 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: not nepotism, not cronyism, affirmative action, or quota. His merit 43 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: was a cornerstone of his philosophy. Confucius lived about five 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: hundred years before christ. China at that time was torn 45 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: by invasions, civil wars, and social disorder. So Confucius for 46 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: most of his life tried teaching rulers how to be 47 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: virtuous even when they were. Confucius knew a state could 48 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: not rely on a single ruler, much less of rulers 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: kids and grandkids. Governments Confucius knew need a competent bureaucracy, 50 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: and to ensure that, he called for rigorous, standardized civil 51 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: service examination. That common sense requirement became the basis of 52 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: Chinese governments for more than two thousand years. Meritocracy ensured 53 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: good government and also paved the way for social mobility. 54 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: Unlike England and as you were talking about before France, 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: you didn't need to be an aristocrat to move up 56 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: in China. And that's still true. You may not want 57 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: to admit, but it's true. In communist China there is 58 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 1: social mobility. However, when Confucius made his pupils read classic 59 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: books and then think for themselves. Red China today requires 60 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: a slavish devotion to party orthodoxy, which explains why Beijing 61 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: is better at stealing technology than unleashing free market innovation. Still, 62 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: we in America are in no position to sneer as 63 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: Jijiunggping and his party hacks, because how good is America 64 00:03:54,240 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: today at fostering meritocracy much less virtue? Problems start at 65 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: are so called elite universities which don't so much educate 66 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: as credential. Washington's governing class, Harvard, Yale, and the rest 67 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: have always accepted legacy students whose parents or grandparents went there, 68 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: especially if they built a building, but to make sure 69 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: socially undesirable students did not outnumber legacy kids, these elite 70 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: schools began imposing negative quotas, limiting the acceptance of Asians, Jews, 71 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: and students from other high performing groups high performing Brian 72 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: not because of their race or ethnicity, but because their parents, mothers, 73 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: and fathers. What a concept demand excellence. But for the 74 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: last fifteen years or so, as Marxism has dominated those 75 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: elite schools, we've seen a different kind of quota there 76 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: and elsewhere, woke quotas students whose performance is subpar on 77 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: standardized tests, nevertheless, get accepted on a basis of re ethnicity, 78 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: gender identity, or whatever other sort of victimhood they can 79 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: come up with, all in the name of diversity, equity 80 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: and inclusion, and not just underprivileged kids. DEI also waves 81 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: through applicants from prosperous, even prominent families. I won't name 82 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: some of these because I want to embarrass the children. 83 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: They get in as long as they fit the quota. 84 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: What's worse, what's unforgivable, is the progressives pushing affirmative action 85 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: refused to help truly underprivileged kids. Take Baltimore. In Baltimore, 86 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: more than ninety percent of students at many public schools 87 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: cannot read or do math at grade level, and at 88 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: more than a dozen schools in Baltimore, there's not a 89 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: single student there who can do the proficiency tests. Most 90 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: big American cities no longer follow Confucius. Instead, these leftists, 91 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: including teacher unions, oppose standardized tests. They oppose even giving them. 92 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: They hand uneducated students of all races and ethnicities a 93 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: high school diploma congratulations. Then, when universities accept these so 94 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: called graduates, they are allowed They're even encouraged to pursue 95 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: fully undemanding majors so they can get hired by government 96 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: and woke companies. Under Joe Biden, almost all the hiring 97 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: in his monthly employment reports that was done by government. 98 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: Under Donald Trump, none of it is meantime. Illiterate students 99 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: who don't land DEI jobs. They receive free food, housing, 100 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: medical care, and all the other welfare promised by Obama's 101 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 1: life of Julia, a life totally dependent on big government. 102 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: That's the deal, folks with Democrats. The uneducated but credentialed 103 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: get government jobs. Uncredentialed victims get socialist benefits. The only 104 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: real job who has to do is vote Democrat. But Brian, 105 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: here's some good news. The Confucian ideal of advancement based 106 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: on merit has now been embraced by the United States 107 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, or has it. In a twenty twenty three 108 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: split decision, a majority of the justices held that affirmative 109 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: action at Harvard and other schools violated the rights of 110 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: other applicants. Harvard's response, so what? Harvard immediately announced that 111 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: it would rely on a loophole in that decision. A 112 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: loophole big enough to drive a mack truck through assuming 113 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: anybody at Harvard could drive a mack truck because our 114 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: old favorite Chief Justice John Roberts, to the surprise of 115 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: absolutely nobody, also wrote, and I quote nothing in this 116 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an 117 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: applicant's discussion of how race affected his or her life, 118 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. End quote. That 119 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: consideration of race is still enough to get you into Harvard, 120 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: if you're full full enough to cent your kids there. 121 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: The wider issue, friends, goes far beyond school admissions, what 122 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: came to be called the spoils system, the doling out 123 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: of federal jobs and contracts that goes back two hundred 124 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: years to the founders of the Democrat Party, Andrew Jackson 125 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: and Martin Van Buren. Then Republicans took care of their 126 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: cronies too and kept growing government until under Donald Trump 127 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: the cutting of wasteful jobs by Elon Musk's DOGE and 128 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: now each individual federal agency. Those cuts and attrition Brian 129 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: have trimmed about nine percent of the federal workforce and counting. Still, 130 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: let's not kid ourselves, Washington remains anything but a meritocracy 131 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: of competent bureaucrats, not to mention politicians doing necessary every work. 132 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: And if voters elect Democrats again for Congress this year, 133 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: and even more unthinkable for presidents in twenty twenty eight, 134 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: they're incompetence. Corruption and communism will put an end to 135 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: this country as we have known it. In some we 136 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: can follow the lead of Confucius, or we can heed 137 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: his prediction about bloated corrupt government I translate from the Chinese. 138 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: That's the way the cookie crumbles. What do you say, 139 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: my meritorious friend. 140 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and I am always blown away, Jack evident, 141 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: when you mentioned the failure rate and the inability of 142 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: young people graduating from high school, you mentioned a couple 143 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: of cities that's going on, and it's happening all over 144 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: the country that cannot perform mathematics on a basic level, 145 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: or cannot read on a basic level. What in the 146 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: hell were they doing from K through twelve? What possible? 147 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it's mind boggling. And I go back again, 148 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: I peep pondering Jack, you know that I look at 149 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: something as crazy as these policies that Democrats are pushing. 150 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: You know, men can play against women in sports or 151 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: any of the other ones, and wonder whether really the 152 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: American people agree with or buy into what they are pushing. Or, 153 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: for example, in the subject matter of education, which I'm 154 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: trying to pivot over to right now, the idea of 155 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: flexibility of choice. You know you'll get teachers unions and 156 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: people rallying in the streets and support of the exact 157 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: institutions that have literally and objectively failed our children. And 158 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: yet the teachers unions fight against tooth and nail against 159 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: any opportunity for younger people to benefit by just giving 160 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: their parents a choice on the school that they go to. 161 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 2: Hm M. Might my child have a better opportunity to 162 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: learn to read and perform mathematics at that school over there, 163 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: not run by the teachers union, mind you, than going 164 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: to the public schools. At least I've got a choice. 165 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: If you want to send your kids to public school, 166 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: exercise the choice. What is wrong with the idea of choice? 167 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: If you've got demonstrable failure within your whatever city happen 168 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: to be in public schools, they don't have a choice, 169 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: then you're stuck there. You cannot escape, And the product 170 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: of not being able to escape is well, your kid's 171 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: going to be left to a lifetime of either working 172 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: as a dei hire or a dependent on the government. 173 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: I just mean, I mean, someone tell me that I'm right, 174 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: and someone tell me that no school choice is widely 175 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: accepted and understood and embraced because it gives people at 176 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: least some flexibility to get their children a decent education. 177 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: Not that it's necessarily going to happen, but at least 178 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 2: it creates an opportunity. 179 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: Jack Well, I think you're absolutely right. And you know, 180 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: as people may remember from reading the legend of Sleepy Hollow, 181 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: the school teacher, the master Ichabod Crane, was hired by 182 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: the parents, and he would move from house to house, 183 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: living there, and they knew what he was up to. 184 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty years ago, our newborn country was 185 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: a meritocracy because we had no choice. The Continental Congress 186 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: was broke, almost powerless, and therefore small. To make money, 187 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: you had to be a farmer or a fur trader, 188 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: a craftsman, a merchant. You could not make money in politics. 189 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: So politics was all about public service until the country 190 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: grew and government gained power to confer everything from railroad 191 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: easements to military contracts, anything that government controlled. That's why 192 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: the answer doing competence and Minnesota style corruption in pocketing 193 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: taxpayer funds is to have the smallest government possible, which 194 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: is exactly what our constitution provides when we're true to it. 195 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: But Brian, could I mention one other thing that I 196 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: forgot to bring up about what's going on in the schools. 197 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: There is another problem with affirmative action. You, as a 198 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: recipient of affirmative action, have to carry all your life. 199 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety one, when a conservative, Clarence Thomas was 200 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: nominated to the US Supreme Court, New York Times columnist 201 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: Maureen Dowd, as liberal as you get, claimed he was 202 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: accepted by an Ivy League law school, and he got 203 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: federal jobs and ultimately that Supreme Court nomination only thanks 204 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: to affirmative action. He was otherwise incompetent, she said. Today, 205 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: if you were to suggest the same things about that 206 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: genius Katanji Brown Jackson, Wow, liberals would brand you a racist. 207 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: Beyond the double standard, Brian, this shows that affirmative action 208 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: leads critics of anyone on the left or the right 209 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: open to questions about whether they are really qualified to 210 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: be lawyers, doctors, pilots, any job that requires demonstrable skills. 211 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 2: That's an excellent point, Jack add an excellent as always, 212 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: Katanji Brown, she's the Kamala Harris of the Supreme Court 213 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: bench and it's an absolute outright embarrassment. 214 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,119 Speaker 1: Well, well, Brian, we're not saying she drinks. 215 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: Oh no, that's true, although I don't know it would 216 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: go a long way to explaining some of the questions 217 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: she's been engaged in recently among those folks litigating in 218 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: front of her in the Supreme Court. 219 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Jack added, you are correct, sir. 220 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: It's the big picture as always, and it's always brilliant. 221 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough, Jack for just improving the 222 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: content on this program dramatically every time you come on. 223 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: It's just just a great thing to have you on 224 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: and to spread your message to my listening audience and 225 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: give people some serious food for thought. I'm already looking 226 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: forward to next Wednesday and another talk with you, my friend. 227 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: I hope you have a wonderful week and the best 228 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: of love and health to you and your better aft. 229 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: Tell Amesland I. 230 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: Said, I thank you you too, Pal. 231 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: Thanks brother seven to twenty. Right now, if you have 232 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: Kersey The Talk Station, Donovan Neil Americans for prospect