WEBVTT - 12-18-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:02.040 An American. 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.920 Slowly on seven undterd WLW. You know, you kind almost 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:08.119 set your watch by this stuff. Every four years, when 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.400 the political parties change, you have people who are on 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.079 the outside looking in, and the voices get louder for 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.360 a lot of different things. You kind of heard a 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.840 little bit about it, and it's always been a topic. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.919 But wealth inequality is going to blow up over the 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.960 next four years simply because you have a Republican in office, 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.840 and when you have policies that just feel the fire 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.160 for people who are well socialists or simply think by 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.919 existing they deserve X amount of dollars for just showing up. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.920 But we know America generally is built on marriage of meritocracy. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.519 Now again, i'd say an asterisk because some people are 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.240 born on third base thinking they hit a triple when 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.239 that is not the case. I mean, let's face it, 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.519 we have a young generation who's shackled by things like 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:55.320 college debt and taking on the ability to own a house, 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:56.800 to start a family, to buy a new car, all 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.720 the things we kind of took for granted when we 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.080 were younger ourselves. It's become a lot harder to do that. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.600 I appreciate that, but there is something to be said 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.200 about hard work and showing up, and some things do 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.000 indeed need to change. And you look at the distribution 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.119 of wealth in this country, it is a problem if 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.160 you don't have a burgeoning middle and lower class in 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.039 order to buy the stuff that they manufacture. But to 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.399 you simply broad brushing and turn capitalism some sort of 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.559 evil and something that has to be undone is absolutely silly. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.080 Derek Bullen is a expert in the area of wealth 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.800 and how we look at this in America, And Derek, 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.560 welcome back. And I think we're going to start to 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.440 hear more loudly than we have in the past that 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.320 wealth is a four letter word. So just whear it's 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:36.520 a curse word, it's an epithet. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:41.040 I know, the narrative is so calmonplace, it's just shame 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.679 forn and it's all over on the rich, and none 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:44.320 of it's correct. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:45.800 It's so highly incorrect. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.840 I thought I should get out there and just get 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.400 the facts out for what they really are. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.480 Well, when you say rich or wealthy, what is that? 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.080 Even because it's such a general term, it's relative to 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:55.800 where you are. You know, if I make twelve dollars 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.920 an hour, the guy making twenty dollars an hours wealthy, right, 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.920 and if you're making twenty so it's all relative. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:03.080 To who you are. 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.640 So true, it's so true. You know, it actually is 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.840 absolutely relative to who you are. So, you know, I 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.600 grew up in the fairly poor, working class neighborhood in Calgary, 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.040 and even when we just moved up one to just 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.919 a slightly nicer neighborhood, all of a sudden, we were rich, 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.720 you know. And but I think in the for the mainstream, 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.959 I think, and for the politicians, they always run it 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.400 against the one percent, or they always run it against 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.200 the billionaires. But even there, what they're saying is not true. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.640 You know, it's tax time, right, and there will be 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.240 about one point six billion in taxes collected by the 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.000 IRS federally, and the top one percent will pay forty 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.640 percent of that amount, like they're paying for almost forty 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.280 percent of the roads, schools, hospitals, everything. And the one 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.240 percent is not enough to you know, vote in a 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.280 politician or vote out a politician. But they are the 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:57.000 golden goose that always gets squeezed. Nobody knows that the 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.120 bottom fifty seven percent of people that work last year 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.600 will pay no federal incompacts at all. So when I hear, 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.600 you know, Joe Biden saying pay your fair share, like, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.000 how much more than forty percent of the burden carried 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.960 by one percent of the population, was he what's he 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.040 looking for? You know, it's almost ludicrous when you look 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:17.680 at the numbers. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.919 Yeah. And the thing is too, is that I know 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:22.560 we'll get more on this in a second, but but 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.000 to me, the tax a rich plan, it doesn't it 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.080 doesn't stack up because even if you survey the typical 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.800 America and they'll tell you it's like, I get it, 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:31.400 there's going to be able to make more money, and 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.840 we kind of need those people because it inspires the 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:35.600 rest of us to work our butts off to get 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.640 where they are. You're an entrepreneur, you started with nothing 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.200 and you employ some three thousand people in the IT 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.680 field right now, So we love that, Drew. Now you're Canadian. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.240 But again it's the what we call here the American dream, 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.240 right that that I at least have a chance if 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.920 I if I a little bit of lock and a 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.000 lot of hard work will get me where I want 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:52.280 to be. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.320 Exactly right, And you know, it is a hard A 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.800 lot of hard work, and these these politicians like Sanders, 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:01.640 they say, oh, it is the rich get richer, They're 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.400 doing it on the backs of everybody else. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:04.360 That's not true. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.200 As the rich get richer, everybody's getting more prosperous. You know, 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.120 when President Johnson started the War on Poverty in nineteen 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:15.280 sixty four, there were almost no billionaires in the United 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.040 States and poverty was nineteen point five percent in the 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.240 United States. Today, with the US having the most billionaires 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.240 in the world, poverty full income poverty has dropped two 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.480 point three percent, and globally, poverty's fallen in half and 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:30.680 lifespans increased. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.080 As we've gone from. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.919 Back in the eighties, maybe there were fifteen billionaires to 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.440 the day there's almost three thousand billionaires on the globe. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.280 The pie has gotten bigger, and I can give you 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.640 lots of really good example Scott on how the pie 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.000 has gotten bigger and multiple people have benefited, not just 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:48.760 the person making it. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.160 Well, give me one good example of a dummy like me. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.240 Can understand. I don't talk over my head now, I'm 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.200 not wealthy like you. 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:58.159 No, no problem. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.000 So in twenty twenty, the value of Amazon jumped by 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.080 five hundred and eighty billion, and everyone's like five hundred 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.760 and seventy billion, and everyone was like, Jeff bezos networks 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.440 went up by fifty seven billion, Oh, the shame of 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.200 the shame. And what they didn't realize is he owns 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:15.279 ten percent of Amazon. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:16.520 The only reason he owns. 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.280 Is because he founded They created the company and put 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.240 in the work. But the other ninety percent of Amazon 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.720 is owned by institutions, and it's owned by banks, it's 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.440 owned by insurance companies, it's owned by unions, and it's 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.599 owned by the government. And so what nobody talked about 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.279 was the half trillion dollars, just over half a trillion, 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.120 that those people made at the same time. That's the 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:42.159 wealth Bezos created for them. And so anytime someone's getting 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.920 a pension, said teacher, or a fireman's getting a pension 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.559 in California, someone gets a new loan for a car, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.479 somebody gets a home insurance claim paid, there's Amazon wealth, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.400 a little bit of Amazon wealth, and all of that. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.720 And so, you know, being the CEO of. 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.320 A company like that, you're putting on this great buffet 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.440 for everyone to come and enjoy. You're buying the groceries, 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.760 cooking it up and only at the end, if you 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.880 did a good jobs, there is there a plate left 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.960 for you. So that's one way. Every time Bezels makes 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.360 a dollar, he's got to remember he's just made nine 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.880 for everybody else, like nine for everybody else. And while 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.200 he's doing that, well he's doing that, he's paying out 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.560 forty six billion in salaries every year, So forty six 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.440 billion goes out to pay one point six million workers. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.799 It's like a small army. And while he's still doing that, he's. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.799 Paying out another forty two billion. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.960 Forty eight billion goes out for the forty six billion 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.960 goes out to employees, forty two billion is going out 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:43.560 to research and development that is cutting edge. Amazon Web 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.919 Services is one of the largest cloud computing companies on 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.560 the planet. So that's that's a way that And it's 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:55.200 like that for every entrepreneur, Elong Musk, Bezols, Bill Gates, 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.320 they make the majority of the money for the people 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.520 that before they make theirs. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.600 Yeah, and it's in this case, we it's easy to 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.440 pick a Jeff Bezos or a Bill Gates in point 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.200 at them and go bad evil. Look at all the money, 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.000 Look at the wealth. This guy has homes all over 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.120 the world and not for want, and people are starving. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.040 And yet if you look at the people who are 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.840 making money basically riding his coattails, or I guess the 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:18.600 way I would look at it is how many people, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.600 how many working folks and the like will put a 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.680 bet on March Madness or the super Bowl or the 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.960 World Series, something along those lines. Throw a little money 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.760 out there, buy a lottery ticket. That's the way I 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.160 look at stock op or buying stock right, is that 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.800 if I buy some stock, as opposed to a lottery ticket, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.440 I'm now investing that money back in the company, allowing 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.520 them to invest in the things you mentioned and hopefully 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.160 return to me a profit. And that's why you have 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.920 winners and losers on Wall Street. But anyone now can 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.760 get into the game. If you have a smartphone and 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.000 you know, twenty bucks into your account, you could literally 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.000 buy a small shell be of a small share, but 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.200 a small share of company. Or buy Apple when it's 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.400 you know, twenty eight cents as opposed to where it 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.600 is today, you could. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.880 You know, I always tell my kids, if you can't budget, 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.960 you know, one thousand dollars, you won't be able to 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:04.800 budget a million dollars. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:05.360 And it's like that. 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.840 You know, most lottery winners, most seventy percent of the 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.040 lottery winners are broken in depth two years after they 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.800 win the lottery. And Bezos was successful with Amazon, but 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.720 you know Dave Cook who started Blockbuster five billion in 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.320 market cap down to zero in five years. Not everybody 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.680 successful running a business, and Bezos is one guy. I 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.800 have as much respect for Bezos as they do for 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.200 the guy running a store down on the corner with 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.000 three employees. And they're both doing the same thing. They're 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:38.720 both multiplying prosperity, you know, in their communities. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.480 Derek Bullet on the show this morning on seven hundred 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.400 w LW. It's pretty daring, but he is talking about 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.760 defending wealth, and that is that wealth is a good thing, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.320 not a bad thing. As we talk about executive pay 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.720 and you know, taxes and welfare and social programs and 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.760 expanding government and taxing the rich and all of those things, 0:08:58.080 --> 0:08:59.960 the reality is we need wealthy people in the marria. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.199 One of the other elements of this too, Derek W'll 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.720 point out is, you know, you talked about people rising 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.520 up because of people like Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.920 or whatever, but the idea is that you're creating new 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.080 new device. If look at this way, we have new 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.600 technology out there that's just jaw dropping. For example, space 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:21.520 travel no Elon Musk. And because of that, at some point, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.839 probably not in our lifetimes, but down the line, it 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.640 travel to space will become affordable for the average person, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.840 I think anyway. But that's typically how it works, is 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.200 the ultra wealthy by these cool new developments and investing 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.079 technology and things we can only dream about, and then 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.240 it becomes mass produced electric cars. Look where they are. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:43.360 Now, sure, electric cars, smartphones, and you know they talk 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.600 about Elon Musk as if all he's doing is taking 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.280 people up to space. He's taking satellites up into space. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.839 So a lot of the telecommunications that you get is 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.559 courtesy of Elon Musk, you know, having a cheaper way 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:58.120 to bring satellites. When this terrible invasion of the Ukraine, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.440 it's actually Elon Musk move satellites in front of them 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.680 so they can have the free Internet. And you know 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.000 what's interesting, el Must Jeff Bezos, they did not inherit 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.320 their wealth. In fact, two thirds of everyone in the 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.640 Fortune four hundred today in the United States made their 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.880 wealth and their lifetime. Two thirds of those billionaires and 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.760 eighty percent of the millionaires and billionaires in the UK 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:20.959 are self made. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.400 So it's not like it's an entitlement. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.160 It's something people work for and the people that work 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.839 for it, they're like elite athletes. Like it takes a 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.160 nation to build a Michael Jordan, it takes a nation 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.000 to build a Jeff Bezos or a Bill Gates or 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.079 a Dice. And they the vacuum guy in the UK, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.079 and they are just like the lead athletes. You have 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.240 to work in an insane amount of hours and there's 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.719 no guarantee that you're going to make it. And just 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.839 like an injury can take an athlete out of the 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.679 game for the rest of their life, if you get 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.800 a fatal injury in business, there's no recovery. The business 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.480 is just over it, you know, just like I was 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.400 saying earlier Life Blockbuster, the. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:58.800 Business is just not. 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.839 So These are people and they're making the pie bigger 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.720 for everyone. They're paying most of the tax. They also, 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.520 by the way, pay most of the charitable donations in 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.760 the United States. The average charitable donation, church payments, everything included, 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.000 it's about five hundred and seventy bucks, and about half 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:18.000 of the Americans will donate something. But if you look 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.640 at total charity four hundred and eighty billion a year, 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.559 one third of that comes from the one percent. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.160 And eighty five percent of bequests, which is. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.319 Different than giving in your lifetime. But the quest is 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:30.880 when I die, what do I do with this money? 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.160 Like Warren Buffet said, I'm going to give it all away? 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.240 The Gates said, they give it all away, and they're 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.679 well on their way to doing it. Eighty five percent 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.040 of bequests come from the top one percent too, So 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.079 it's a slowly very supportive of the tax system. Everyone's 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.960 paying more than their fair share. They're very supportive when 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.480 government can or won't step in and a nonprofit has 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.400 to step in to do the work. So the government 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:56.120 in California, France, and United States, Canada are all so 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.400 dependent on the one percent paying taxes. Any pay more, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.839 more money, you make, more taxes you make, all these 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.360 all these governments are very very dependent on the one 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.760 percent coming in and paying taxes. I mean that that's 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.920 one hundred thousand people in a state besides of California 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.000 paying one third of. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:14.240 The state taxes this year. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.240 If they weren't there, the state would be totally screwed 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.440 if the one percent, if the one percent wasn't wasn't here, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.040 it would look a lot like socialism, and people would 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.719 be like, where is the money for everything? Well, the 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.880 people who made it left, And it's a different one 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.920 percent every generation, because the majority of people make their 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.680 millions or billions in their lifetime. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.080 And we're starting to see it, and we're seeing that acidus. 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.960 We're seeing that exodus from the top tier people from California. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.360 Is that, you know, I think generosity lasts up till 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.920 a point. One thing too to add about Europe and 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.880 everyone else is if you look at what we do 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.480 in the US, it's it's interesting as you see now 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.400 Russia at the wolf of the dorso to speak like 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.240 an existential threat like Russia's right now is all always 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.800 look to the United States help bail them out. And 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.080 I think there's an economic component of that too. Exactly 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.439 what we're talking about right here is that if we 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.679 continue to make everyone dependent on government, who's funding the government, Well, 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.280 we're starting to see that in areas of Europe right now, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.920 and now they're looking and going, okay, well we didn't 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.840 see Russia coming at all. Who's going to bail us out? 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.000 It's going to the United States. And I think because 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.320 of what you're talking about here, that's probably why. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:26.880 Yeah, it's probably why. You know, a good society. 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.160 Ned States is arguably the greatest country in the world. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.520 It's a third of the world economy. And you have 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.080 a vibrant business sector. You have a very large government 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.600 who provides a lot of valuable services. And then you've 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:42.600 got an amazing arts community, right, I mean, you've got 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.880 a wad, You've got everything there. But the business has 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.160 to make the money first. Then the government takes the 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.599 money and that's taxes, and it uses some of it, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.880 and then it redistributes some of it and that goes. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:54.559 To the arts community. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.199 And then where it doesn't get covered again, businesses or 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.440 wealth creators. That's true, the nonprofits and everything that they 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.679 make up in the slack. But first you have to 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.319 have this vibrant business sector. You were talking about the 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.319 exodus out of California. You know, for everything California has, 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.680 they're down over three hundred and sixty four thousand people 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.920 a year leave. And that's like the city of Anaheim 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.640 picking up and leaving, and it's because the taxes in California. 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.040 If you're in the private sector taking all the risk, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:27.120 making all the money, you make about on average seventy 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.840 grand a year. If you're in the public sector, on average, 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.920 you make twice as much. They pay the public sector 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:33.800 of plaice twice as much. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:34.840 They've got the whole. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.360 Thing inverted in that California. That's why everyone's leaving. So 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.240 it's not just high profile names like Elon Musk or 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.040 Rockstar Gens. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:44.720 Simmons that are leaving. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.960 You know, Tesla SpaceX they're located in Texas. Heel At 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.240 Packard moved to Texas. Everyone knows Microsoft is the world's 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.000 largest software company, but Oracle is very close at number two. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:56.440 They've moved to Texas. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.600 Digital Realty Trust the biggest commercial realty company world, They've 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.520 moved to Texas. The exodus just keeps going past the 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.400 beer company they've moved to Texas. You know, it's just crazy, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.560 the exodus because California is just squeezing the one percent out. 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.480 I think there's a point when it comes to exaggerated 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.120 wealth inequality too. I don't know how you bring that 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.120 back down. You know, taxing the top one percent, for example, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.000 so popular, but we can only take so much money 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.920 out of that, out of that particular group. Right, how 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.360 do you bat, how do you how do you solve 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.040 the issue of exaggerated wealth. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:28.360 In the quality? 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.640 Well, you know, the media is amped that up. 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:38.160 The media has grown wealth inequality stories at about fifty 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.600 times higher than stories on real property. And people that 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.400 have extreme wealth, the majority of them has said, well, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.280 first of all, it's it's hard to hang on to it, 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.240 hard to hang on to welcome with the three generations. 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.400 But the majority of them, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Mark 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.360 Zickelberger said I will give back ninety nine percent of 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.080 my wealth the society I made. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:56.680 It in before they go. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.240 And most people start donating as they get later in life. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.760 They're using their money to build their company, build their company, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.080 build their company, like Bill Gates with Microsoft. Then when 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.760 they're old, they're like, I'm starting a forty five billion 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.560 dollars save the world stot and malaria, get a vaccazine 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:17.840 for AIDS fund. Right, you know, excessive wealth comes back 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:18.640 into society. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:19.640 It's just hard to keep. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.640 You can't spend it all, you can't take it with you. Right, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.040 that's why and if you're wired to work all the time. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:26.400 I have friends like that. It's like, well, you're not 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:27.720 going to die and leave all this money to their 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.280 government and kids who are just going to simply take 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:31.880 the money and spend it on fun stuff that you 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.640 didn't do. Derek Bullen uh in Defense of Wealth is 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.080 zame of the book. Thanks again for the time, Derek, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:36.600 appreciate it. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:37.720 Thank you, Scott. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.560 How about some news weather traffic. Let's do that in 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.359 about four minutes here on seven hundred WW. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:47.040 All right. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.200 We live in an age of political retribution. Authorititics is 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.560 about winning, and now more so than ever in our lifetime, 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.440 it's about retribution. And that is true nationally. And I'm 0:16:58.480 --> 0:16:59.760 sure a lot of people go, oh, you must be 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.920 talking about Trump if I were talking about it locally. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.600 It's really interesting what's happening here in Cincinnati, Ohio. And 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.560 I go back, of course to the beatdowns over the summer, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.280 where you had an individual who is the victim, which 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.000 we thought was a victim. Then it turns out, well, no, 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.040 he may be the We want to charge him like 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.879 the assailants, and so you do that, and we have 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.040 not heard anything about of course, this case for some time, 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.640 it kind of got swept under the rug. I don't 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.960 know how you do that, but it did in a sense. 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:28.760 Is it because we had to come to some sort 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.400 of preordained conclusion and make the make the evidence fit 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.440 what it does we came to in the first place. 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.520 Is that happening to some degree right now? With the 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.840 decision by Hamlin County Prosecutor County Pelach last Friday, we 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.879 could go tomorrow. Relative to the Elwood Jones case. Elwood 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.880 Jones was blamed for the beating death of sixty seven 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.719 year old road to Nathan and Connie Pellich had been 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.600 considering for months want to pursue a new trial or 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:56.520 drop the charges. She went, and it is it's one 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.199 thing to go, hey, you don't what there's there's new 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.399 evidence out there. And she even said, so we have 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.320 new science that we think exonerates. Okay, well bring it 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.800 forward and let's hear that. What happened, though, was this 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.159 is more about saying, well, we're going to set up 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.800 this I guess commission or board or whatever you want 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.199 to call it, in order to examine cases to make 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.680 sure that only people guilty of crimes go to prison. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:20.639 Or go to death row is a case of Elwood Jones, 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.800 and that was a cornerstone of her campaign when she 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:30.359 won office last year. All right, sons out well and 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.440 good and you make a case of that and go, okay, 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.080 we have to find a case now that would exemplify 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.080 and launch this thing because we need something to go. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:39.919 This is why we need to do this. We need 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.720 a concrete example of injustice, gross injustice. And when you 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.320 do that, of course, you prosecute the individuals who prosecuted 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.760 Elwood Jones. You make them out to be bad people 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.800 in a sense, and saying they took evidence, they hit it. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.199 And you know, the four thousand pages are left out 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.639 of this case, by the way, may add kind of 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.359 inconsequential from what I understand. I certainly didn't read the 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:05.920 four thousand pages, but I think to go after Joe 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:07.840 Dieters then the prosecute at the time, and to some 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.320 degree Mark peepe Meyer, the lead attorney in this case. 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.359 It's one thing to say, hey, we have new evidence 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.560 because of science and overturn. It's other to say we 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.560 took that science and it shows you it was a 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.520 conspiracy to Frank Melwood Jones, which of course borders on 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.840 slander and libel. I bring this up because I don't 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.679 know about you. I wasn't around when this crime happened. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.280 I was pretty young when this thing happened, had no recollection. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.080 I've been heard and heard it second hand yesterday on 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.320 the show on Willy's Show. If you missed this, it's 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.200 via the podcast, and it's absolutely compelling to listen to 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.879 Joe Dieters, now Ohio Supreme Court Justice and Mark Pittmeyer, 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.359 who was the lead attorney in this case Santa with 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:47.760 Willy and Mark as the lead attorney, laid out the case. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.640 Is the evidence that they had against Elwood Jones back 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:57.159 in nineteen ninety four, and it is it's pretty interesting. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:58.480 Let me play that for you real quick. 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.920 Elwood Jones was working on the second floor of the 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.920 Embassy Suites hotel in the afternoon of I think it 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.960 was a Friday afternoon, setting up a banquet room when 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.360 a couple arrived to go into the room next door 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.000 to where he was working. That was Joe Kaplan and 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.840 Elaine Shue. Elwood could have easily seen them go into 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.880 that room, and our theory as he did see them 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.360 knew that it was a couple staying in that room. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.680 Later that night, after Elwood got off of work, rode 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:28.000 to Nathan, our victim showed up. Elwood did not realize 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.879 now that there are three people in the room. The 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.399 next morning, the couple that first arrived went down to 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.040 breakfast and rote of Nathan is in the room. She's 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.280 going to take a shower, and Elwood is also working 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:41.640 in the room right next door. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:42.000 That day. 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.959 It's a banquet room with the door open, and Elwood 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.520 is a thief. He's a career thief. And our belief 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.320 is is that he saw an opportunity, went in the 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.680 room because he thought it was open and confronts. Wrote 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.480 to Nathan, rode to Nathan, is savagely beaten. She died 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.280 of blunt force trauma. There was very little blood at 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:05.200 the scene because it was just beaten to death. About 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.000 a half hour later, the couple comes back from breakfast, 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.000 open the door and they find Roda Nathan laying on 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:11.480 the floor. 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.200 All she had on her was a bath towe. 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.840 They think, oh my god, she must have had a 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.960 heart attack, and they call paramatics and they come and 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.320 they're treating her, trying to revive her from what they 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.879 believed was a heart attack. Two other things were noticed 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.600 by the couple at the time. There was a distinctive 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:32.080 handweight made necklace that Rhoda always wore around her neck 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:36.119 and it was missing. Also, Elaine Shub noticed there were 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.520 hundreds of dollars of cash that she had in her 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.240 purse that was taken. One other thing is this is 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.879 a you know, thirty years ago or so on. Back then, 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.280 they didn't have the electronic key cards. You needed a 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.640 key to get in the door, and the door latched automatically, 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.320 but Joe Kaplan was sure when he left the room, 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.920 he did what most people do, checked to made sure 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.760 it was securely locked because they didn't want it open. 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:03.080 With rood In taking a shower. When Rhoda gets to 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.480 the hospital, she dies. They take her to the coroner's 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.160 office and lo and behold, they find that she died 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:09.399 from blunt for's trauma. 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:11.679 A couple other things about her body. 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.640 There was a couple of distinctive bruises that were developed 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:18.920 on her body. One was very consistent with a walkie 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.960 talkie which some of the workers in the hotel were issued. 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.720 Elwood Jones was one of those. There was also a 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.720 door chain a latch, which is kind of an unusual 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.200 mark to have on a body. She also had that 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.040 on her body, and it told us that whoever did 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.479 this three things we know for sure. The person had 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.040 to have a master key. The person also had to 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.639 have a walkie talkie, and the person also had to 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.920 have one of these door latches. We also know that 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:49.480 the person that did this took Rhoda's necklace. When Elwood 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.840 Jones arrived at work that morning, everybody noticed he was fine. 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:55.920 A couple hours later, people noticed that his left hand 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.240 was bandaged and people said, elwo, what happened to your hand? 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:00.280 Person? 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.159 He said, well, I's taking some trash out and I 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.520 fell and I cut it. And somebody else asked him, 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:06.240 he says, well, when I was up on the second 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.200 floor taking down that banquet room, a piece of the 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.080 floor and fell on my hand and he cut it. 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.080 So some inconsistent things. 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:18.040 Immediately, when Blue ass started investigating, they realized one. 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:18.920 Very important thing. 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.840 Whoever did this had to be in the hotel that 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.440 morning and had to have a master key, and that 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.600 limited the suspect pool from hundreds of people in the 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.720 hotel to about four people. You know what I'm saying this, 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:32.920 I feel like I've given an opening statement again. But 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:35.479 these are the facts, and this is what we presented 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:40.080 to the jury. About four or five days later, Elwood's 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:43.639 hand got very infected and he's thinking, I'd better do 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:46.840 something about this. And he goes to some clinic and 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.440 there's a doctor, John McDonough, who taught at UC Med School, 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.879 and he was one of the best hand surgeons in 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:56.040 the country. And one day a month he would volunteer 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.880 to go to this clinic and treat people basically for free. 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:01.960 It's almost like God said, I want you there that 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.000 day because I want someone to see what Elwood has. 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.480 And Elwood comes in and his left hand has severely sworn. 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.520 It's Elwood, what what happened to your hand? And he 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.680 gives them a couple other stories. And the doctor knows 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:16.440 that anytime you've got a cut in one of your knuckles, 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.639 chances are you pop somebody in the mouth. He also 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:23.320 knows that inside the human gum line there's a bacteria 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.280 Aikinela Crodins. I don't know science very well. Hell, I 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.399 want to Roger Bacon I Joe couldn't get in, but 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:34.639 he had to settle for saying it's just sad, you know, 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.359 but we have standards like you. Anyway, he knew that 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.200 if I don't treat this hand for Konela crones or 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.760 tests for it, he's going to lose his hand. So 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:47.040 even though Elwood said I cut it on something, he 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.879 tested for this bacteria that's in the gum line. Lo 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:53.159 and behold, it's Akonela crodins. In fact, he was so 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:57.120 sure of this he took a picture of Elwood's hand 0:24:57.560 --> 0:24:59.919 to teach to his medical students and said, if an 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.200 anybody ever comes in with a hand swollen like this, 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.240 you've got to test for that bacteria because if you don't, 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.320 they're probably gonna lose their hands. So when this came out, 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:13.680 everybody started focusing on Elwood. Blueesh police got a search 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.240 warrant for his car, for his home, for his trunk 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.080 of his car. A couple things they found. Number one, 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.800 they found Alwaukee talkie. That actually Joe and I went 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.440 to Washington, d C. And had the FBI lab look 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:27.640 at it and they were able to match it. Again, 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.080 it's Alwaukee talkie. There were more than one in that hotel, 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.600 but it matched all the rivets and everything matched exactly 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.879 the mark on road of Nathan's check chest. Also in 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.520 his toolbox there was one of these door latches and 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:47.480 that also matched the toolmark. The impression of that door 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.320 lock on her chest, which is again that's a lot 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:55.280 more unusual than Milwaukee Talkie. But the absolute thing that 0:25:55.400 --> 0:26:00.159 clinched it all was that pendant of Rooda Nathan. They 0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.080 were in a picture of taking of road to Nathan 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:06.359 wearing that and it matched exactly that pendant found in 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.080 the trunk of Elwood Jones's car. 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.320 I think that's a pretty darn good case. 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:11.359 That is. 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.680 Then lead prosecutor of this case, Mark pitp Meyer in 0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.439 Study Yester with Joe Dieters and Willie Who. I hear 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.000 the entire thing. It's really compelling. Obviously I play at all. 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.919 I was a pretty long segment, I understand, but that's 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:28.000 available the iHeartRadio podcast page. Just go to the iHeartRadio 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.520 app down load. There is really really tough to listen to, 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:32.240 but also compelling at the same time. If you're a 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.240 friend of a true crime, I hear this and go okay. 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:35.480 Well. 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:39.000 Prosecutor County Pillows last week said that you know evidence 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:41.160 was left out. It made you think makes one think 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.879 believing that there was some conspiracy against Elwood Jones all 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:44.359 these years. 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:45.359 I don't know. 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.080 I listened to that and go, yeah, it's all circumstantial evidence. 0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.920 But if you take enough pieces of circumstantial evidence and 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.560 put it all together, how many people could possibly have 0:26:55.720 --> 0:27:01.720 done what Elwood Jones was accused of doing. So you know, 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:03.240 if you just said, hey, he was working in the 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.320 room next to this couple and he had a robbery record, 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.640 he had a jacket, I don't know how many, how 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:13.000 thick that was, but nonetheless he had prior history work 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.120 in the room next to them. They go to breakfast, 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.480 he sees that they left to go you know what 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.480 if I were, and Jerry go, okay, well I can't 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.480 convict a guy on that, just as soon as he happenstance, Okay, 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.680 four people that day had a master key. Well, that 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:32.639 narrows it down. He also had a walkie talkie. I 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:34.399 don't know how many people on duty that day had 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:37.399 a walkie talkie. How many people had access to a 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.880 doordling a door chain latch in their toolbox? I went, 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.320 I don't know, if you hit something and you push 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.560 them into the door, But the way the marks were 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:49.639 on the body and is such. There's no way from 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.640 what I understand, it could have been attached to the door. 0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:55.080 It had to be a loose storchain, a latch which 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:56.760 pretty heavy. You look at that go out, it's almost 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.560 like a little many mace sort of thing you can 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.720 swing around. The fact that it worked that day, he 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:04.480 was fine middle of the day. He has his hand 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:08.640 bandaged up, and different stories as to how that accident occurred. 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:12.040 And then, of course the compelling piece of evidence here 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.720 the infection consistent with bacteria in the mouth. Now I 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.280 know that she also wrought a had appatitis B and 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.159 they said, well that's easily that's sort of a lot 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.920 more communicable than this particular disease. But you know, again, 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:25.800 you have it in your mouth, and she tested positive 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.040 Ford and you had the injury. How many people out 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:34.480 of that Ford does it have left? You look at 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.240 all this stuff and go, okay, he had the radio, 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.440 he had the key, he had the door latch, and 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.920 then you find the necklace in his trunk. How did 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:42.800 it end up there? 0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:44.560 You know? 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:46.560 Did I found it and I threw a Why Okay, 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:48.720 if I found a necklace, you'd probably put in your pocket, 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.080 take it down and lost and found. But it was 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:56.800 in his car, in his trunk of all things. I'm like, 0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.840 all right, I understand that we have new forensic evidence 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.760 data that's coming out that could refute a lot of 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.280 this stuff, But for the life of me, I can't 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:09.400 figure out how it's anyone but Elwood Jones. But the 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:11.560 problem is, as I said, you know, politics today is 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.800 about retribution. And you know, if you say, having to 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:15.840 come up with a commission in order to make sure 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:17.840 that only people who are in jail or in prison 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.040 are there to make sure that we're consistent with our convictions, 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:23.760 and you know, to look through it. And I think 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.040 that's a noble thing. But in order to make that commission, 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:28.840 you need a reason, and the reason would be Elwood 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.560 Jones is this And I think that quite honestly, would 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:35.840 happened with the assaults over the summer that you know, 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:37.680 we saw the rush to judgment there, and we saw 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.240 the rush to try and convict someone of a racial 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:42.920 crime when it turns out he was the victim of 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.400 racial crime. And of course once that was discovered, you 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.880 don't hear about the story anymore. With these over the 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.040 summer beatdowns. Do we have the same kind of thing 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.440 happening here to a degree where you're like, hey, I 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.560 got to come up with a commission here, and now 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:56.360 we've got to find someone. And it just seems like 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:59.360 Elwood Jones, who's been very vocal about his imprisonment as 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.480 being innocent, as all people in prison are pretty innocent 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.040 if you listen to their story, that we found a 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:06.800 guy who could be the poster child for what it 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.120 is we're seeking to do. Which side do you believe? 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.880 Scott's loan seven hundred WW do. 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.040 You want to be an American idiot? 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:20.720 Barry w Enderwick has a very cool Instagram free so 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.080 every day for the past number of years, he makes 0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:27.640 a sandwich, makes a sandwich, and not just any sandwich. 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:31.040 He takes and makes a sandwich that was popular at 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:35.400 various times throughout history. So for example, he creates what 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.400 they're eating and let's say nineteen eighteen. I don't know 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:40.479 what that is they were eating in nineteen eight eighteen, 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.680 but safe to say, you know what sandwiches in nineteen 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.160 eighteen sucked compared to today. We are like, this is 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.160 the golden era of food. Let's just call it what 0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.000 it is. His ig is at Sandwiches of History. He 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.080 makes one of those things today and he's got literally 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.080 billions of followers here and he joins the show now 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.080 to talk about it. Also has a book called Sandwich 0:30:58.160 --> 0:30:58.920 The History of the Cookbook. 0:30:58.920 --> 0:30:59.240 Barry W. 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:00.720 Dwick Welcome. So are you Berry? 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.320 Thank you? I am doing great. How about yourself? 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.240 I'm doing fine. I mean I like to eat man 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.520 and I'm guessing that's how you started this whole thing. 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.320 What the fascination with sandwiches? Howd that begin? 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:13.800 Well? First of all, who doesn't love a sandwich? Always 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.400 loved the sandwiches. And the thing about sandwiches it's great 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.000 is you can change up everything about it and it's portable, right, 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:20.760 you can change out the bread, have the breads treated, 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.440 what's between the bread? So I just I love sandwiches 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.120 in general. But I found this PDF of the up 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.440 to date Sandwich book that was published in nineteen oh nine, 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.280 and I was like, wow, So these are what they 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.560 thought were the bees knees and nineteen oh nine, and 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.960 some of them quite clearly are not. But I thought 0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:38.920 it'd be fun to do on social media kind of 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.000 share with people. And it turns out people are interested 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.640 in these old rereacipees, and I found that, you know, 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:45.880 most of the breast feeds fell in this area where 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:47.080 they were like, you know, if you just had an 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:48.960 ingredient or two, these might be pretty good. So that's 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.240 where the whole I'm gonna plus this up concept came from. 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:56.000 Nice everything. I'm a food I'm not liking over the 0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:57.760 top foody, but I'm a foodie and I you know 0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.120 what I I see like an I don't know the 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.960 menu that was served on the day the Titanic sunk. 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.240 I'm just I'm fascinated with like what they thought was 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.480 great at that time, like jello or you know, and 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:10.960 stuff either you look at it and go, man, I 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.320 really really like elderberries or whatever the hell it is 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:15.720 at that period of time. Like what was the fascination 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:17.600 with celery? Like some of those old menus from the 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:19.560 from the late eighteen to nineteen. It's like, well, I 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:21.760 have celery on the mind, dude, it's celery. What's the 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:22.200 big deal? 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:22.600 Hey? 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:24.680 You know? Can I can I share with you one 0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.600 of the oddest food trends that I came up across. 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:32.800 And you've been doing this yeast fresh yeast real Qushian brothers. Apparently, yeah, 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.320 apparently in the nineteen twenties, people started to buy bread 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.560 and eventually sliced bread in nineteen twenty eight, and so 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.160 they were cooking less at home, and so yeast de 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.880 Man went down and the Fleshman brothers wanted to do sales. 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:44.600 So they got together with a marketing company in New 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.840 York and came up with they eat Fresh Yeast for 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.720 Health campaign, and it somehow worked, and in fact, in 0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.080 one of the books there is a recipe for a 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.640 yeast sandwich. And you know, I've never eaten wall paper paste, 0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:58.000 but I can imagine question. 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:00.280 Well, you know, in one hundred years to own, there's 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.120 a big guy doing this on whatever platform. It is 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:03.680 a word dead and gone berry and it'd be like 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:06.640 mucked a powder or something like that. But what the 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:07.080 hell is that? 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:08.680 I don't know that exactly. 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.760 It's all stuff is all trending. What is the worst 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.840 sandwich that you've ever eaten in from what years? 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.520 You know? I do think that the yeast sandwich in 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.920 theaeteen twenties was is either the worst or tied for 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.480 the worst with the oyster sandwich from the up to 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.320 date Sandwich Book of nineteen oh nine, which had any 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.320 chopped raw oysters mixing with olive oil Worcester sauce and 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:33.080 put it between buttered bread with lettuce, and I like 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:35.840 raw oysters on the half show. That was an abomination. 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.240 That was just it was horrible textual nightmare. 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.480 I remember watching that on your feet actually and laughing 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.560 at a lot like this is gonna suck and it did? 0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:43.760 You did that disappointment that? 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.160 Yeah, yeah, sometimes it sounds they read like they're going 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:49.040 to suck, and they don't. That doesn't happen as often 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.080 as i'd like, right, But the ones that suck, yeah, 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:52.560 they suck. 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.680 We call them sandwiches. But is a sandwich a hogi, 0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.760 a grinder, a sub, a sanga witch? Is it all 0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:01.239 a yo? Is it all the same thing? 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.480 Yes, it's all in the category of sandwich. And even 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.120 what's what's funny about that is the name sandwich comes 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:09.920 from the fourth Earl of Montague. Somehow he got his 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:11.799 name on it. But he clearly was not the first 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:13.960 person to put meat between breads. But he did a 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.200 good job of branding and boom, we call him sandwiches. 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:20.480 Is a taco or a hot dog? A sandwich. Why 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:22.279 is a hot dog not a sandwich? A burger is 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.880 a sandwich, but a hot dog is I. 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:25.600 Got you, I got it. 0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:25.920 Okay. 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.919 So taco I don't consider to be a sandwich because 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.960 the tortilla is of uniform thickness, so it acts more 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.680 like a sling than anything else. Hot dog, I think 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.120 technically is a sandwich for two reasons. One, everything's made up, 0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:41.400 so just enjoy the hot dog. But two, if you 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.160 look at if you look at the bun, it's kind 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:44.920 of equal thickness on two sides, and it's a very 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.840 thin hinge to accommodate the tubular meat. And then that 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.000 sort of configuration kind of mirrors what you see it 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.360 like Jersey Mikes or what everyone the role. So to me, 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:55.520 technically it is a sandwich. Now, if you say, hey, 0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:57.880 do you want a sandwich and you hear me a 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.560 hot dog, I'm gonna be like wait what? So there 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:02.920 is that disconnect, But I think it technically falls in 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:03.400 the category. 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:03.759 I get it. 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.120 I see, I feel where you're coming from here, man Berry. 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:07.879 You know what I I love. I love the cut 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:12.239 of your cheese. But a taco is not what and 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.080 a roll up is not a sandwich, it's a roll up. 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:15.120 It's it's a tortilla. 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:20.040 Yeah, exactly, wrap an The rap actually describes itself. 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:22.239 Did you ever just throw cautions and will get crazy 0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:23.040 and have a wrap berry? 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:25.040 Oh? Yeah's wild. 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:27.680 You never get I mean, you. 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:29.320 Never get tired of sandwiches. It's amazing. 0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:33.560 I'm a guy who loves food. Yeah, so yeah, I'm 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:36.400 not gonna I'm not gonna be uh. You know, it's 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.360 overly prescriptive about categories. If it's something sounds delicious on. 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.560 The kindred spirits here, there's no doubt about it. You 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:45.319 mentioned the earliest, you know, the Earl of sandwich, which 0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.160 actually was like like a chain they have the they 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.120 added to CBG at our airport when you land there 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.800 in a few days. That and and he wasn't obviously 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.640 the first one that I actually did a little research. 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:56.800 So the Helll's mixtury familiar with that? 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.840 Oh yeah, hello, sandwich one hundred BC. In the Jewish 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.480 tradition they put together lamb and bitter herb between I 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:04.200 believe mansa. 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.680 So that's a sandwich that sounds terrible. That sounds like 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:09.360 have you recreated that one? Because that sounds like it 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.920 could serve, it could suck worse than an oyster sandwich. 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.640 The modern equivalent is actually made with harrow set, which 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:18.759 is nuts and fruits, so it actually works pretty well. 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.320 I have not made it with the lamb, so and 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:26.320 you know the bitter herb like arugula, right, yeah, crazy, 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:28.640 it's not gonna be crazy better. So it was actually 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.239 pretty good. Yeah. But there's one older than that that 0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:34.799 I've discovered that was in I've discovered. I came upon. 0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.359 I did not discover it someone else house. And it's 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.720 called the Rogi Mo and it's from China, Shanxi Province, 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.560 two hundred BC. And it's basically along the Silk Road 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.759 where they created spices, and it's just a bunch of 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.120 warm spices and beef that gets stewed until it's just 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.360 fallen apart. Today it's made with pork belly predominantly, but 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.960 it was made with beef originally, and it's put inside 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:57.919 a griddle cake that split almost all the way through, 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.320 and it's like it's delicious. 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:02.279 Interesting, interesting, all right. 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:03.120 Berry W. 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.160 Nderwick is here. He has his ig feed and his 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.399 book is Sandwich of the History of the Cookbook, where 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:09.840 he has all this stuff in there too and just 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.200 goes through different eras in world history and makes a 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.040 sandwich daily on his ig feed, which is pretty damn 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:18.520 cool in my opinion. Pretty clearly America because we're always 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.759 on the go. I was talking, you know, talk about 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.120 like drive throughs and stuff like that, and it's such 0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:25.239 an American thing. You go to Europe and they don't 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:26.880 do that at all. You got you actually have to 0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:28.880 sit your ass down and have a coffee. There's no 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.480 drive even if you want to use the bathroom. 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:31.640 You got. 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:35.080 So we obviously must lead the world in portable fool food, 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.200 which is the sandwich starting with number one has got 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.239 to be the Hamburger. So after that, though, when you 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.239 look at world sandwiches, how would you rank who comes 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:45.240 in second to the US? 0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:51.400 Oh? Boy, you know, the UK absolutely loves it sandwiches. 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.279 You're right, they don't have drive throughs, but boy, how 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.960 do you can get a sandwich just about everywhere and 0:37:56.040 --> 0:38:00.359 they're very passionate about it. Mexico has a fantastic array 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:04.160 of sandwiches. They're all using telearro rolls or they're using 0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:08.920 Balio rows, but their torches down there are amazing. And 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:12.040 I think outside of that, then it starts to diminish 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.600 a little bit. But practically every cuisine seems to have 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.239 a sandwich, which is fantastic. That's another great thing about 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:20.160 this is like everywhere around the world. When I do 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.759 an Instagram Live, I'll get people from Sweden, I'll get 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:24.680 people from New Zealand, I'll get to Germany, I'll get 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:28.400 I've had people from Africa tune in. The sandwich just 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:29.800 seems to have a universal appeal. 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:30.359 Yeah. 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:30.719 Yeah. 0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:32.919 Over in the ukn they have something called a chip 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:34.840 Buddy and you think, oh, as was it guy? But no, 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.520 it gets two slice of white bread with French fries 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.480 on it and butter. 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:42.880 It's a carb bomb and it's probably not the healthiest 0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:44.600 in the world, but it did tasty, especially if you 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:46.160 had a pint berry. 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:48.000 If you're going carb bomb, what would it be? Would 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:49.640 it be a spaghetti sandwich? 0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:50.960 Did you? 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:53.440 Was it you? You did a Was there a potato 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:54.320 salad sandwich? 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.279 I thought there was a Yeah, I just did a 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.319 potato salad sandwich the other day. It had a little 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.000 bit of a hard boiled eggs and manage and there, 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.000 so it wasn't j just potatoes. It's kind of like 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:05.440 a mash up between the two. I would say that 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:07.839 the chip Buddy is probably up there with the carb 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:11.880 bombed sandwich. It tastes like you shouldn't be eating it, 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:12.799 but it tastes good. 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:13.880 Gotcha? 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:15.480 All right? 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.160 So let's do this. Give me a sandwich from each 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.640 decade started on. We could do this all day, I suppose, 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:25.240 but let's say in nineteen ten. 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.240 Up, because I've done like over a thousand sandwiches. 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.839 Oh man, are we doing that? Whatever do you want? Man, 0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:35.719 it's your show. I don't care this. I'm just sitting here. 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.279 I'm not early entertained by This is freaking awesome. Are 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:40.840 you kidding me? We're talking about sandwiches everyone. If you 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.000 don't like a sandwich, I demand you never listened to 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:43.359 the show. 0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:43.640 Again. 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:45.280 Everyone loves sandwiches. 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.840 Wow, Well, let's see we've got the crooked Maseur sandwich 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.520 was developed in France in the nineteen ten okay, and 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:57.880 that is what again. It's ham and cheese basically, and 0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:04.880 then fried bechamel sauce. It's quite good, it's quite decadent. 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.160 And then it's the foundation for the crook Madam, which 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:10.960 actually has an egg over easy egg on top. 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.400 Is this U currently right now? I mentioned at the 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:18.000 start Berry that this is the golden age of food. 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:20.960 Every year it gets better and better, or maybe worse 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:24.680 and horse and worse if you're handwringing vegan dietitian and 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.040 I look at this and go, it can't get any 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.759 better than it is right now. And I'm kind of 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:31.719 joke because you go back in the day like one 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.120 of your grandparents and they're like, oh, I want horsehound 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:36.879 candy or liquorice or like you look at it and go, yeah, 0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:40.239 necko wafers, Like my god, food must have sucked when 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:42.919 you were a kid. Necko wafers and horsehound candy, whatever 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.160 there is today. I walk into a gas station, man, 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:49.240 and I'm indodated with sugar, chocolate, peanut, butter, fruit flavors, 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:53.600 artificial and otherwise. It's amazing. Like food back then was terrible. 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.080 Well, okay, so you've got the context of what we 0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:59.359 have now now if you go back in time, if 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:01.400 you were to go back in nineteen thirty two, for example, 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:03.759 you knew what you had in nineteen thirty two and 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.000 that was it. But I will say I agree with you, 0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:08.800 this is amazing the access that we have to ingredients. 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:10.960 The speed with which we can get them and the 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:14.799 convenience which was with which we can get them is unbelievable. 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.360 And I'm pretty sure like the plus ups I applied 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:19.080 to these old rust spees, if someone from that era 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:22.200 came forward in times, it would probably blow their mind. 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:23.920 Like what do you need to collaborate in chili paste? 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:27.920 I know that's your thing when you when you do that, 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:29.560 you kind of use the sandwich up you called a 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.360 plus up for example. If I wanted a plus up 0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:35.800 plus up a I don't know, a Crokemond shur for example, 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:36.279 what would you do? 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.240 I'd want something a little bit with spikes. I'd probably 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:43.279 do like a hot sauce or chili flakes, just to 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:45.200 come through the richness because it is pretty rich. 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.359 Okay, Yeah, I mean that's the thing is that I'll 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.200 have our little thing that we put add to it going. 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:51.520 I need to use this up a little bit. It's 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:53.760 not quite right. You do that pretty much every episode, 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.080 especially the ones where you're eating the I don't know 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:57.759 the hell little mixture. You really got to put some 0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:59.799 You gotta put a lot of ketchup on that bad boy. 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.279 Yeah, there's some that require two or three ingredients to 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:05.520 make it into something better. 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:10.840 But yeah, exactly, all right, So in the book, you 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:12.759 have one egg. Guy, there's a couple of rest of 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.480 the cucumber tea sandwich. That sounds So that sounds so Victorian. 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:18.160 I'm guessing it's like from that era. 0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:21.160 Right, Yeah, it's well, it's very light, and yeah, it's 0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.520 it's I wanted to include different categories of sandwiches in 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:29.200 the cookbook, not just to have just sandwiches. So yeah, 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.920 I included that Matie snack sandwich section. And you know, 0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.359 the idea behind the cookbook was I'd done. I've been 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:37.960 doing all these recipes and when you look at the 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.640 old recipes, they most of a lot of time they 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.759 don't give amount in the ingredients, or the balance is off, 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.800 like use two tablespoons of anchovy paste, no thank you. 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.480 Plus the recipes usually make like fifteen sandwiches and about you. 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.800 But I don't like dividing things by fifteen. So for 0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.280 the book, what I did is I adapted the recipes. 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:00.920 I tested them so that they would make one sandwich, 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:03.759 put in the amounts, test to what the amount should be, 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.879 dialed back some, and just put together like a good 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:09.600 cross section of sandwiches and history. Both the International Club 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.600 Sandwiches just fun sandwiches, and included an original sandwich that 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:14.399 I created as well. 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.279 Oh god, well what sandwich is that? What do you 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:17.520 call that? 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:22.960 It's called the Dusty Nutter Goose. It was a a 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.360 friend of mine who develops role playing games was launching 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:28.560 one called Landavimi said hey, would you make a sandwich 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:28.879 and honor? 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:29.440 And I said sure. 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.200 So I put this together and it's gonna sound insane. 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:35.080 Okay if you think about the if you think about 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:39.360 the flavor profiles, it works. So frozen waffle, peanut butter, smoke, 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.160 duck breast and cherry pop rocks. 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:45.080 Whoa, I get the cherry and the duck breast. That 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:49.000 that works together? Calling our fronds. Yeah, you know what, Actually, 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:50.360 it's one of those things you like that this is 0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:51.920 gonna be It's probably awesome. 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:54.600 Yeah, it's well, I think it's I think it's a 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.160 lot of fun. I think those flavors definitely do work together. 0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:00.680 I've had I've had that before and I thought it was, like, 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:02.800 you know, it's it's for kids who are buying a 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:04.320 role playing game. How do you make it fun? To 0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:05.560 make the cherry pop rocks. 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:07.600 Where you getting your pop rocks supply from? 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:07.879 Dude? 0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.680 Uh, well, I don't know. I just found uh at 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:15.120 a candy store okay here in Cleveland yesterday. 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:18.319 All right, nice, Yeah, it's that's kind of fun. I'm like, man, 0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:19.960 I haven't seen pop rocks in a long time. 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:25.200 It's yeah, a specific gotcha, it's focused entirely on candy 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:26.200 because they're not at seven. 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.160 Eleven right right, Yeah, you don't have them there either, 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:31.040 not UDF anymore. Yeah, because you know, every kid would 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:33.480 get pop rocks and coke and try to kill themselves 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:37.239 and it never worked. Yeah, like Mike, yeah, right right, 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.200 just to your head. It doesn't make it doesn't make 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:39.920 your head explode. 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:40.120 It off. 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.280 Well, by the way, I mentioned a cucumber tea sandwich 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.200 that fascinated What exact is it just cucumbers? Uh with 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:46.759 with like mayonnaise on them? 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:46.800 What? 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.399 What's are they? I just pictures there's a little tiny 0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:51.680 slices of cucumber made in the sandwiches. 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:54.759 Well, I'll tell you what, since they don't have a 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:55.960 memorize and I'll look it up. 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.759 Oh okay, damn, all right, I've heard that before though. 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.040 You kind of jogged my memories. Like you see like 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:05.279 the watercress sandwiches, and I don't even know what that is. 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.760 Yeah, so the cucumber sandwich is just sliced thinly sliced 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:13.480 cucumber in between, with a little salt, pepper, lemon juice 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.000 in between, buttered bread. It's just meant it's like a 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:17.960 light snack. It's not meant to be like something like 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.520 here's your lunch. But you could make it into something 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:24.719 more substantial with like shamp or avocado to because those 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:28.239 will go well with those flavors. Gotchall so, but it's 0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.400 definitely a tea or a snack sandwich. 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:32.960 I see a sandwich here called hot chicken a tuna, 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:36.640 the hot chicken tuna sandwich. Is that just shredded chicken 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:38.680 to be made like tuna? Or are we taking the 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.160 sea and the foul and mixing them together? 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.880 The hot chicken tuna sandwich, I remember correctly, that is 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:49.800 from the seventies. Okay, let me take a look at that, 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:51.520 because again I don't have these memorized. 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.040 I got you, sorry for putting me on the spot here, 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.000 Barry and Wick. I don't expect you to memorize ten 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.200 thousand sandwiches you've done over the last number of years 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:00.920 on Instagram. I get that I've turned this into like 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:03.439 the sixty minutes of sandwiches for crying out loud. 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:07.040 It's good. Yeah, you're holding my feet to the fire. Okay, good. Yeah. 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:12.440 So it's uh boy, you mix. Yeah, you you basically 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.680 mix together tuna, green belt pepper onion soup mix and 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:20.360 cheddar cheese. Uh and you put that into in between 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.440 bread and then you spoon on top of a mixture 0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:28.160 of uh uh chicken cream of chicken soup. It's got 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.080 some herbs, you know, other than the then you bake it. Wow, 0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:33.000 and it's actually pretty tasty. You got a little skill 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:34.080 peppery gun top, is it? 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:34.520 Okay? 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:35.120 That? 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:38.480 Because that is like the most fifty sixty seventies conveniency 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:40.200 crap I've ever heard. Right there, you're taking like. 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:43.520 Yeah, the original original seventy four. Yeah. 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:45.680 So like I remember, like you hear like the Benny 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:47.680 Crocker stuff like back in the day, and that's when 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:49.400 women were coming there, and it's like, I don't know, 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:50.719 I don't want. I'm not gonna go out and do 0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.839 laundrying in a in a creek somewhere and baked bread 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:55.839 from scratch. I'm gonna die, you know what. I'm getting 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:58.080 some drugs and I'm gonna watch TV, and I mean, 0:46:58.120 --> 0:46:59.880 here's a here's a TV dinner scurry. 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.000 You know, go ahead, go ahead. 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:06.000 I was gonna say, yeah, like seventy four was wild man, 0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.719 it was. It was the seventies were all about convenience 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.200 and so it's cansa this, cans of that, for sure. 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.960 He is Barry w Enderwick. Join him on ig at 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:18.680 Sandwiches of History. It's the Sandwiches of History cookbook that's 0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:21.160 out right now, fascinating. He cooks a new sandwich every 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.919 day and has done so for the last number of years. Barry, 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:25.399 all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning. 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:27.920 Yeah, thank you, had a great time. Thanks for having me. 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:29.919 All all right, if I have any breaking sandwich news 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:31.600 in the world, I'm calling you first. You know this, right, 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:32.720 I'm gonna put you on immediately. 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.160 You got it, I'll get a red phone. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.480 I appreciate it. See you, buddy, Take care of Barry 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.000 w Nderwick on the Scott's Loan Show with my boy Sonjay. 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:46.120 Next Scott's Loan seven hundred WW Thursday Morning, Scott's Loan 0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.560 show continues on seven hundred WLW. One of our newer 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:53.719 features here is health, Wellness Fitness, and he is a 0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:59.040 er doctor and he pops in every Thursday morning. This time, Sanjay, 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.680 good morning. How are you Jim Crimani of course in 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:03.200 the studio this morning. How's life? 0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:05.279 Life is good? How's it treating you right now? 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.120 Let's do it fine? How busy were you with the 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.239 deep freeze slash deep snow we had? 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:09.800 So? 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.560 I yeah, I worked the whole weekend through the snow, 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.600 had to trudge up both both there and back again, 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:16.439 uphill both ways. 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.320 If you were wondering, right, but it was, you know, 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:20.439 the roads were rough. 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:22.880 But once he got there, I think everyone else realized 0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.319 that too, and I saw very few patients. Wow, okay, 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.440 it's unfortunately everyone was smart and stayed inside for the 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:30.200 most part too. 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.320 Damn col to go to work, let alone go outside 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:32.920 and do stuff. 0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:33.279 It was. 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:36.239 It was, but I'm glad, you know, people listened to 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:38.680 the news and the warnings and everything because it showed 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.120 even like, well, I was in Westchester, so I didn't 0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:43.560 see any Santacon Santas, but I'm I'm hoping they were 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:44.239 all okay too. 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:47.400 Yeah, I wonder how many how many Santas were presenting downtown. 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:50.640 It's right because because it's snowing, it's icy, it's cold, 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.359 and you had alcohol to the mix and the big 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:54.960 groups of people. I could only imagine the stories well. 0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:57.120 And the worst thing would be if you go in 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:00.359 Saturday night because you're a Santa, and then you stay 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.520 in the er all night and you're leaving Sunday morning 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:05.480 still addressed as Sanna. Imagine that walk of shame. 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:07.800 Yeah, that is a huge walk of shop. Yeah, right, exactly. 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.080 I know you wanted to talk about New Year's resolutions 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.279 or resolutions. People often first of the year kick it 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:14.840 and go that's it, this is the year, this is 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.839 I got all these resolutions. Would you say the top 0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:20.600 of the list one is getting healthier in twenty twenty 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:21.200 six for people? 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:21.880 Is that the big one? 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:22.200 Yeah? 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.520 Most things usually have to do with getting healthy, whether 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:29.200 it be working out more, eating better, and those are 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.120 those are the two that really dominate it. But even 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:36.600 you know, getting getting more social and spending more times 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.720 with friends is another one, and then better money spending, 0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:40.680 they're all in there. 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:42.400 You have a New Year's resolution for yourself. 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.040 I have yet to think about it fully, I'm I 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.680 do a little weird things so long because I used 0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:51.239 to do resolutions and they always failed, and you know, 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:53.600 we'll talk about why that probably. 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:53.840 Happened for me. 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:55.920 But now I do have more of how do I 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:57.719 want to be as opposed to where do I want 0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:01.440 to be? And so it's more about behaviors and actions 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:02.759 for me. But that's just how I do it. 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:03.640 What do you? What about you? 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:06.360 I tend to set the bar very low, Like example, 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.680 I set him to start smoking crack first of the year, 0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:12.080 and then if I if I don't do it, then 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:16.960 it's like I feel like I've accomplished something. Yeah, well done. Yeah, 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.400 hopefully hopefully you reach that goal. Yeah this year, I'm 0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:21.280 you know, I'm gonna do I'm I'm gonna start smoking. 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:25.200 My goal is to gain thirty pounds this year. And 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.800 you're like, don't. It's like, because again, if you like, 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:31.719 you're a high expectation guy, you're you're a learned physician, 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:33.520 you're a healthy you know in a gym, you have 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:35.520 all these things. I just set the bar and remerca 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:37.200 so low and you can always hop over it. 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:39.799 Well, you know, actually you're tapping into something they're slow 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:43.239 because like maybe not thirty pounds, you know, in the 0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:45.560 year to gain, but but still, like setting the bar 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:47.480 low is important, and I think that's where a lot 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:48.919 of people get it wrong. 0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:50.120 You know, the. 0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:55.200 Donja why why push yourself? You don't have tonna go 0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:57.120 too far. You're gonna fall off a cliff. But if 0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.600 you push yourself lightly, you may just stay on the 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.640 edge and and continue to ramp up your life. Right right, Okay, 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:04.759 you know this is the year. It's like, okay, ihe 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.319 didn't rob a bank this year, don't I deserve something? 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:08.680 I mean, much better than the last year? 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:08.880 Right? 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:13.000 Fantastic? Well, right, exactly. Yeah, And it's part of the 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:15.399 problem though, Seriously, you set the bar so high. It's like, yeah, 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:17.280 this is it. I'm gonna I'm gonna lose thirty pounds 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:19.920 and I'm gonna work out five days a week, and 0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:22.560 I'm gonna I'm saying I'm gonna save a third of 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:25.560 my income and like all these unreasonable, impossible goals. 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:28.000 Oh, there's a few things there that you just named, 0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.920 so like use the and word. And so we oftentimes 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:33.200 choose a lot of goals to start our year because 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:35.920 we're ready and it's all in good faith and we 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.399 mean to do well. But when you do too much 0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:41.600 and try to aim for too much, both with how 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:43.520 many things you want to do and how much you 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:46.800 want to do, you're setting yourself up for failure. So 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:49.759 the better thing is choose one thing, choose one thing 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:52.359 that you want to make better, and then don't rely 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:55.920 on willpower alone. So a lot of us are just like, 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.200 I'm just gonna, you know, be healthier this year and 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.239 never eat anything fat for the next three hundred and 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:03.879 sixty five days, and it's like it's not going to happen. 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:06.719 And so those are the those are some of the 0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:10.400 early pitfalls we see as far as resolutions go. The 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:14.319 other one being were oftentimes just very vague. I'm going 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:19.120 to be healthier, what does that mean? And so it's 0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:22.640 it's actually tying that to what, you know, what what 0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:25.160 does this really look like to you? And it doesn't 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:27.160 have to be I have to lose thirty pounds and 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:28.960 I have to do this, and I have to do this, 0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:31.880 just just one thing, you know, And then it's the 0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:35.520 how you want to do it, so like the specific 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:37.960 behaviors you want to do. And then I always like 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:40.600 thinking about the why, so the what, the how, the 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:45.000 why and really why not just because I want to 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:46.759 be healthier. It's like, well, why do I want to 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:48.640 be healthier? Well, I want to move a little bit better. 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:49.759 Why do I want to move better? 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:49.960 Well? 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.239 I want to be better for my children, so I 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.440 can play with them till I'm ninety five. And now 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.839 we're getting to the emotional stuff that will actually drive 0:52:57.960 --> 0:52:58.920 you interesting. 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.319 Okay, So find an emotion component of just like, hey, 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:03.000 I want to loose go out because i'm you know, 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:05.200 I want my clothes to fit better. But there's their 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:08.080 self esteem issues there as well. Typically it's diet, exercise. 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.440 Maybe finance is coming to play here as well. But 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:12.200 you can only do so much, as the bottom line, 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.640 only do so much, and like, you know, give yourself 0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:17.400 some grace. There's a reason that everyone fails their New 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:19.960 Year's resolution. Ninety percent of people do not follow through 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.520 on the New year's resolutions. But it's not because the 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:26.000 goals are bad, right, It's because the systems aren't, you know, 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:28.600 great for you. It's like Einstein's thing of you know, 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:31.880 the definition of insanity is doing the same thing the 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:34.640 same way over and over again and expecting different results, right, 0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:37.360 You got to change the system if you want to 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:40.400 get results. It's not you're not You're not shooting poorly, 0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:44.080 you're just you know, able to continue that matterphor you 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.120 know the basketball the baskets just said at the wrong height, 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:52.200 all right, relative to that, you have reasonable exotiations going in. 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:55.440 I get that. But the failure rate is always so 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:57.360 damn high. That's that's part. But how long does it 0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:59.320 take to establish because you if you're going to do it, 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:01.479 you got to make a comitment. And how long before 0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:02.879 it becomes a habit, a good habit. 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:07.040 So really, if you want to at least start and 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:10.520 start the wheels really turning on their own, it starts 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:12.319 with the first twenty one days. Yeah, if you can 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:14.680 get past the first twenty one days, your chances are 0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:18.840 much higher. Suddenly, quitting day in January, that'll be the 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:22.759 second Friday in January. That's when most people's resolutions fail. 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:24.359 It goes away. 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:26.439 You're heading into the second week end of the year. 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:29.320 The steam kind of runs out, and so it is 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:30.000 your willpower. 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:31.799 The newness of the whole thing is like, I'm going 0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:33.920 to be sore again tomorrow, and I think you know 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:38.360 when it comes to exercise, and that's your specialty, that soreness. 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:41.800 It takes a while before it turns into a good soreness. 0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:44.800 You know, what I'm saying is initially your overwhelmed maneuver, 0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:48.600 because you know you're lengthening your tendons before muscles get them. 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:52.160 You're not seeing any progress. It's awfully difficult. You're sore 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:54.359 for a while. How long does that last? If you're 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:55.400 looking to do a fitness. 0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:58.960 Routeam that soreness will get better over you know, the 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:01.920 first three months. So we say it revive, which is 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:05.160 my gym, give us three months, give us three months 0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:07.279 so that you see results. After one month, you're going 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:10.520 to be feeling better. After three months you're going to 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:14.160 start really seeing it and feeling it. And so we 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:17.160 aim for that, and we ask for that dedication from 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.640 our clients to give us that and also give it 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.959 to themselves of one, giving themselves grace, but also giving 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:25.520 you know, giving us the faith that they're in it. 0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:28.280 And in three months we'll see and we promise, yeah. 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:29.799 Twenty one days though it's like, Okay, I get through 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:31.640 the first twenty one days. It's a habit now. But 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.319 it's awfully difficult. And this is why exercise sucks. It's 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.080 because when you first start, you know, we've been doing 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:40.520 it for a while, but when you first start, man, 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:42.920 that soreness is real and it's persistent. You just got 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:44.000 to got to fight through that pain. 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:46.479 It's painful. But no, also, no, if you're going to start, 0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:48.960 you know, exercising this year, No, it's universal. 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:49.680 You're not alone. 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:52.520 This happens to everyone, and it's a question. That's when 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:54.640 I kind of dig into that why well, why am 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:55.160 I doing this? 0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:55.680 Okay? 0:55:55.800 --> 0:56:00.120 And that sometimes that emotion battles that pain emotion and 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:02.239 wins out. And that's what I hope for almost every 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:04.040 time I go to the gym, because I will say 0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:06.239 that I still have a lot of inertia when it 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:08.800 comes to the gym, but I say, you know, this 0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:10.839 is for my own betterment so that I can serve 0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:12.680 other people better. And that's why I hit the gym. 0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:14.920 Everyone's going to have their own reasons, right. I want 0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:16.680 to feel my best so I can be my best. 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:16.959 For the people. 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.520 Typically, also, folks go in without a plan when it 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.200 comes to that, and it doesn't have to be you know, 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:23.520 and it's age appropriate Now, the younger you start, the 0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.600 better off it is. You heal faster, you recover, and 0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:27.320 now you build a pattern for life. But if you 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:30.200 is it too late in your fifties and sixties? Never 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:31.440 I started. 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.360 I mean this may sound young and relative to the 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:36.440 numbers you just gave, but I started when I was 0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:38.320 thirty eight. I was completely out of shape at that 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:40.880 point and I started them. But we have a ton 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.160 of people coming to the gym when they're sixties, seventies 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:45.920 even and just want to feel better, and so it's 0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.440 never too late. It's but to your point of not 0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:52.560 having a plan as a problem, and so that's the 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:55.840 importance of potentially having a coach. I mean, if you 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.120 don't have the money for a coach, though chatchypt is free, 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:01.919 what you could do just throw something into AI and say, 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:06.239 I want to have a sustainable habit to get more 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.680 fit this year with strength training. Can you devise something 0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:13.200 with some habits that I can do this year to 0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:17.320 feel better and that you know, let AI go for it. 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:18.960 And be as specific as you want. 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:21.840 I'm doing this because I want to lift up my grandchildren, 0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:24.760 and can you devise a plan for me? 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:27.120 And AI will do that for you and you can 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:28.760 even factor and it's like, oh, also, by the way, 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:31.040 I had my shoulder replaced and my left knee is bad, 0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:33.920 and can you and they'll they'll build in alternatives and 0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:36.800 different mechanisms for you to get to reach your goal. 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:38.040 It's really cool. It is cool. 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:39.080 So you have that. 0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:41.880 I mean, I do prefer in person. And that was 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.479 one of the biggest reasons I got a coach seven 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:48.480 years ago, was have accountability. And this there's actually it shows. 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:52.720 So if you write down a goal, it'll increase your 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:55.400 chance of following through on your promise to yourself by 0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:59.240 like fifty percent. If you tell someone about it, it's 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:01.920 about a two thirds increase. So you're like, it's you know, 0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:04.800 sixty seven percent more likely. But if you actually have 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.680 an accountability person, whether it be a coach that you 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:10.440 have to go to, someone you check in with, a 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:12.360 class that you sign up for, if you if you 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:15.760 have to do something for something else, it's about ninety 0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:18.480 five percent. So if you if you have a coach, 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:21.320 you're you're setting yourself up because you know, if you 0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:24.960 do devise your own plan with AI uh, there's there's 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:28.040 a chance you'll succeed. But having a person that you're 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:30.280 a smart, you know, accountable to really helped. But you 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:33.000 can also you know, and again YouTube is a great 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:34.720 to learn how to do the exerciy And that's the thing. 0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:37.680 Form is and function that's very you can get seriously 0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:39.680 hurt right if you're not doing it right or you 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:41.200 think you know what you're doing, because you're still the 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:42.919 amount of people walk into a gym and go okay, 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:46.560 I got my gym membership and there's yeah, you're not 0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:48.920 thinking the results you want. You're also a chance you're 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.040 gonna get hurt too as well, and you have to 0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:52.400 come up with a plan. It's so easy to do 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:54.480 it now with chat, GPT and YouTube you can learn 0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:57.600 how to do the exercises correctly. Sign Jay shape Cremani 0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:00.360 our doctor and fitness guy in the Scotland show Pops 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:02.760 in every Thursday morning. We're talking about New Year's resolutions 0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:05.280 and fitness probably at the top of the list. Fitness 0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:07.760 and finance is probably the big two for people. We 0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:09.520 can only do one thing. We're not talking money with 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:13.240 Sanja here. What about picking an actual gym? 0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:15.320 Now you say okay, you guys offer personal training and 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:17.880 coaching and that's going to be more expensive. There's gyms 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:19.480 out there you can get like ten bucks a month. Right, 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:21.960 If that's you and you're like, Okay, I want to 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:23.880 do something or just go out and so walking whatever 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:26.760 it might be, let's talk about that, Jim. What do 0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:29.360 you look for in a program or a gym? What 0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:31.600 should someone going the first time? What should I look for? 0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:33.320 So it really depends what your goals are. 0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:38.600 If you're well versed in exercise and you just want 0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:41.200 a place to lift weights and do stuff, yeah, sure, 0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:44.920 a Planet Fitness or a you know, group gym is fine. 0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:48.120 CrossFit for those that are younger and want to do 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:50.800 that kind of thing, Yeah, there is the operative there. 0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:53.680 I mean there are certainly people they are older, but 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:55.880 you have to have some experience in that if you're 0:59:55.920 --> 0:59:58.600 going to be in your forties and fifties. Unless it's 0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:02.120 a CrossFit gym that does more attention, it's you know, 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:06.760 the reason we built an individualized training gym where everyone 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.600 gets their own program is we see that everyone's different. 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:13.640 Everyone has their own goals, and everybody needs a different 1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:18.040 sort of degree of attention, and everyone has different motivations. 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.720 So we see the habits play out in real life 1:00:20.800 --> 1:00:23.240 and like we lean into that. So I mean it's 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:26.200 a complicated question. I'll tell you that like the bigger 1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:30.400 gyms name names, but the huge gyms they rely on 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:32.800 people just to sign up. If you're paying ten bucks 1:00:32.800 --> 1:00:35.920 a month, if all of their people came in, they 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:39.120 would have trouble. They rely on people signing up and 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:42.800 probably quitting by the second February, still in January and 1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:46.160 still paying. I would recommend going to a place that 1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:48.800 you want to keep coming back to, and that's what 1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:52.080 I would look for, you know, the vibe for lack 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:54.280 of a better term, but also the workouts and the 1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:56.440 gains you're getting, and so things are going to be 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:59.360 built differently to what you want. You know, there's there're 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:01.400 a running programs out there if you just want to run, 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:03.880 But what we also know is strenth training is important 1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:06.800 for running. So you want to do both. And so 1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:09.480 it really depends on the people that surround you. The 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:12.160 carry you get, and how much attention you need. I'd 1:01:12.200 --> 1:01:15.080 say are the most important along with your goal specifically, 1:01:15.160 --> 1:01:18.280 and if that if that gym you know, focuses on that. 1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:20.640 Also if you're new to gym, wipe it down. If 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:23.000 you touch it, and also put your damn white to it. 1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:25.680 Rack your whites, would you please, please? Thank you please? 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:26.400 Right? 1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:28.280 And also the good look too. I think you carry 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:30.640 around a giant duffel bag that could carry human in it. 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:33.600 Drag it around on the floor, get some powder for 1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:35.640 your hands, spread that all over the place. And you 1:01:35.760 --> 1:01:38.040 also need a gallon jugg of water to carry with you. 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:39.560 Those are the three big things. 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:43.120 Don't forget your selfie stick so that you can film 1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:44.400 every moment right. 1:01:44.400 --> 1:01:47.520 Right right now. All bring luggage with them in a 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:49.480 gym is like, what do you have in this giant bag? 1:01:49.880 --> 1:01:50.040 Yeah? 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:51.840 It does clear a room though, So if they're just 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:54.640 looking for a space, good for you. The people that 1:01:54.720 --> 1:01:56.800 bring the more stuff they bring with them, like supplies 1:01:56.880 --> 1:01:59.400 and big you know, you can get a court bottle 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:01.560 and fill the four times. Yeah, I'm not good at math, 1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:03.920 but I know that much. It's like the more stuff 1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:05.280 they bring with the less work. It seems like they 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:06.520 actually do right well. 1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:09.480 I mean, they're just preparing for the apocalypse and so 1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:10.880 if that comes, they'll be good to go. 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:13.080 Scares people away too good. And I will point out 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:14.880 in closing her because I know we got to go again, 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:17.240 age appropriate, right, So you're not going to try to 1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:20.280 put up to twenty five thirty times if you're sixty, 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:22.840 you want to try to build up there in your twenties, thirties, 1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:25.120 maybe forties. But like at my age now, I'm going 1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:27.080 to closer to six to ozho than I am five zero. 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:30.480 It's more about functional strength and flexibility for me now. 1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:32.880 Yeah, again, you know, the most important things if you're 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:37.120 going to start something new is start small, and you know, 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:41.040 start specific age appropriate for you, and eventually the games 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:43.880 will come. But also what the final thing will be 1:02:44.040 --> 1:02:46.600 is reward yourself, even if it's kind of like if 1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:49.320 you've decided to do two push ups a day and 1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:51.720 that's it, give yourself a literal pat on the back 1:02:51.760 --> 1:02:54.120 after you do your two push ups. Your body loves 1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:56.240 to be rewarded. We are simple creatures at the end 1:02:56.280 --> 1:02:58.360 of the day, and if we reward ourselves, even if 1:02:58.400 --> 1:03:01.360 it feels dumb, reward yourself. Maybe not with a cheesecake, 1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:03.680 you know, after doing two push ups, Yeah, pat yourself 1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:04.080 on the back. 1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:06.200 Easy part is if you keep that up to push 1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:08.600 ups and you push yourself for three months, you're going 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:11.040 to be absolutely in away through the progress you made 1:03:11.400 --> 1:03:14.600 in ninety days. Sign J Shafercrimani. He's our resident eer 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:17.400 doctor and of course uh fitness and food guy here 1:03:17.440 --> 1:03:19.840 on the Scots Slunchire Thursday mornings. Have a great holiday, man, 1:03:19.920 --> 1:03:21.680 and we won't see each other till after the first 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:24.200 of the year. I think right sounds great. Appreciate it, Sam, 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:27.000 Thanks again, Sloaney seven hundred WW. You want to be 1:03:27.160 --> 1:03:31.120 in a Manican he's got flown out seven hundred w 1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:34.720 LW buried in the news and quite a bit of 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:37.640 news for us. The allegedly slow cycle right. More domestic 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:41.160 terrorism aplot dis erupted. FBI arrested four people as part 1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:45.040 of a radical pro Palestini extremist group, arrested for planning 1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:48.200 an attack on New Year's Even Los Angeles. They caught 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:50.720 them with IEDs that they're making complex pipe bombs with 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:53.720 The FBI said they're going to target five separate locations 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:56.280 on Christmas Eve if across the Los Angeles, including two 1:03:56.320 --> 1:04:00.440 big US companies as well as ice agent's vehicle and 1:04:00.520 --> 1:04:03.440 the like. And so if you look at domestic terrorism, 1:04:03.680 --> 1:04:05.200 you know, in our lifetime, if you're a little bit 1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:09.440 older anyway, you call terrorism from abroad right nine to eleven, 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:11.960 et cetera. And we are clearly in the age of 1:04:12.000 --> 1:04:15.280 domestic terrorism. Over the last ten years, investigations have grown 1:04:15.320 --> 1:04:18.360 over three hundred and fifty percent, and in that time period, 1:04:18.560 --> 1:04:22.680 investing open investigations, meaning there's probable cause more than quadrupled. 1:04:22.760 --> 1:04:26.760 Mark Nzilaco's here. He is a former director of the 1:04:26.840 --> 1:04:29.800 International Studies Program at the University of Dayton, also founder 1:04:29.840 --> 1:04:31.920 the Human Rights Studies Program there. Mark, Welcome back to 1:04:31.920 --> 1:04:32.200 the show. 1:04:32.200 --> 1:04:34.120 How are you fine. 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:35.760 I'm doing fine. 1:04:36.600 --> 1:04:36.800 Yeah. 1:04:36.880 --> 1:04:39.000 For those who you know, we're worried about foreign terrorism, 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:41.240 it's domestic terrorism. It's been the story of the narrative 1:04:41.240 --> 1:04:43.400 for a lot longer than that. What do we know 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:46.800 about this group, the Turtle Island Liberation Front, the TILF. 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:49.960 It sounds almost like a I don't know, a Clancy novel, right, 1:04:50.000 --> 1:04:52.120 I mean that kind of name alone strikes me as 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:57.120 Turtle Island Liberation Front, very left wing, very terroristic group. 1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:01.400 Yeah, I had that one wasn't on my radar because 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:06.280 it's it's small, and you're correct, the name, the Turtle 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:10.920 Islands Freedom Front. It doesn't inspire, you know, it sounds like, 1:05:12.040 --> 1:05:14.680 you know, I don't know, vacation spot. 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:15.160 Yeah. 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:20.520 Yeah, and seems from what I thought about the explosives 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:23.440 that there was they had gone to the desert that 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:27.760 brought precursor chemicals, uh to make either them all multile 1:05:27.880 --> 1:05:31.040 cocktails or id. They did not seem to be sophisticated, 1:05:31.160 --> 1:05:34.880 very sophisticated explosive devices. I don't want to downplay them 1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:37.600 at all, but they don't seem like the truck bombs 1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:40.640 of you know, uh uh, you know the truck bombs 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:42.120 of Oklahoma City. 1:05:42.720 --> 1:05:44.960 They were just basic black powder, weren't they. 1:05:45.960 --> 1:05:46.880 Yeah, something like that. 1:05:47.560 --> 1:05:47.680 Uh. 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:51.600 And you know, their their operational securities not very good. 1:05:51.600 --> 1:05:54.280 The f I can track them complain things, and I don't, 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:58.640 but I don't want to just mean, don't diminish the threat. 1:05:59.800 --> 1:06:03.320 We thought for a decade or so that the rise 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:07.720 of sort of neo Nazi type right wing extremists, anti government, 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:12.959 anti immigrant, antisemitic groups. But no, the left wing groups 1:06:13.040 --> 1:06:18.760 is still out there, particularly after Hamas launched this homicidal attack. 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:25.600 It's genocidal attack from Gaza. There's been increases of antistemic 1:06:25.880 --> 1:06:29.600 violence threats. Hell, we had firebomb on the mayor, the 1:06:30.320 --> 1:06:36.200 governor of Pennsylvania. So yeah, the threat of wrestling extreament 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:38.880 has always been out there. It's incredible you said it 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:41.880 this last time I was on your program. Step When 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:43.040 you look at the number of. 1:06:43.680 --> 1:06:46.600 People, the percentage in the thirties. 1:06:46.560 --> 1:06:51.320 Who believe that political violence is justifiable and this is 1:06:51.360 --> 1:06:53.640 a time for political lives, I think that's thirty percent 1:06:53.720 --> 1:06:57.560 of the population thinking about using violence to settle political grievances. 1:06:58.720 --> 1:07:01.440 It's amazing we got in that era, and so with 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:04.720 this TLF group that their ideology is basically free Palestine, 1:07:04.840 --> 1:07:08.440 free Hawaii, free Puerto Rico, and free the world from 1:07:08.480 --> 1:07:12.480 American imperialism. By blowing up targets in Los Angeles, one 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:14.880 just scratches their head. Is someone outside this going hot? 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:17.320 How do you connect all those dusts together to the point, well, 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:19.480 we're going to free Hawaii, which is a state, free 1:07:19.520 --> 1:07:23.840 Puerto Rico by blowing up Los Angeles. You just wonder 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:25.480 what kind of world these people live in. And that's 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:28.880 a scary part. Is there a when they investigate these people? 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:30.840 Is there a mental component to this thing? Because it 1:07:30.880 --> 1:07:31.880 sounds crazy. 1:07:32.800 --> 1:07:38.200 You know, it's very difficult to understand the causes of it. 1:07:38.280 --> 1:07:38.400 Now. 1:07:38.720 --> 1:07:42.200 I believed for a very long time that ideas and 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:46.400 ideologies are behind the violence. You know that the lies 1:07:46.600 --> 1:07:50.560 can kill, whether they're coming from the propaganda's coming from 1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:54.360 the left or the right. But you're seeing something about 1:07:56.240 --> 1:07:58.840 many of the perpetrators. People are a wrestler or people 1:07:58.880 --> 1:08:07.280 commit these crimes are they're socially isolated, they're narcissistic, and 1:08:07.360 --> 1:08:08.120 they're rehilistic. 1:08:08.320 --> 1:08:09.520 They didn't believe in nothing. 1:08:10.160 --> 1:08:14.360 And but and there's some joy they can get some 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:19.560 sense of personal satisfaction they derive from belonging to some 1:08:19.800 --> 1:08:23.760 organization a Total Island Liberation Front. I mean, for christ sakes, 1:08:25.200 --> 1:08:27.920 it gives gives one a sense of purpose, a sense 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:30.960 of meaning, and and and and so it's a deep 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:34.759 psychological and sociological problem that those of us who study 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:37.680 domestic terrorism are trying to understand and trying to come 1:08:37.720 --> 1:08:38.160 to terms with. 1:08:38.439 --> 1:08:40.559 Yeah, and then you Markin's lucky. You put these people 1:08:40.600 --> 1:08:42.439 out there and give them a browser, uh, and they 1:08:42.520 --> 1:08:44.719 find each other. And that that really is the problem 1:08:44.720 --> 1:08:46.360 that's are seeing a rise in all this because now 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:49.120 you may have the most crazy views in the world 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:52.240 about stuff, whether it's terrorism, whether it's I don't know, 1:08:52.360 --> 1:08:55.320 sexual proclivities, anything like that. You can find kindred spirits 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:56.320 online and form a group. 1:08:57.880 --> 1:08:58.840 Yeah, certainly true. 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:03.160 You know when you see these these small little groups 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:07.080 that are very amateuristic, right, that scares me. 1:09:07.160 --> 1:09:08.280 It worries me deeply. 1:09:08.760 --> 1:09:12.160 But you talk about communicating to one another, I'd rather 1:09:12.280 --> 1:09:15.600 have a conspiracy of five, six, seven people because the 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:18.919 more people are involved in conspiracy, more likely the authorities 1:09:18.920 --> 1:09:22.280 can discover it. What really terrifies me is the true 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:25.880 lone wolf. Whether they're inspired by isis like these people 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:30.880 in Australia, or inspired by something else, they act alone, 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:37.680 and the radicalization is is deep. It's linked to psychological 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:40.240 issues as well. They come from me, to come from 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:45.360 dysfunctional families, and that is a phenomenon that's very difficult 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:49.679 for us to monitor, particularly in the society like ours 1:09:50.280 --> 1:09:53.400 that believes in you know, freedom, so civil liberties. So 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:58.640 we're you know, body Beach scares the. 1:09:58.800 --> 1:09:59.360 Heck out of me. 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:02.840 We we had that right in twenty eighteen, right the 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:06.240 Tree of Life in Pittsburgh eleven dead by a lone person, 1:10:06.439 --> 1:10:10.400 Robert Power. So what we just saw linked to a 1:10:10.600 --> 1:10:18.400 Helica celebration is to people myself monitor this very very disconcerting. 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:18.400 Very frightening. 1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:22.479 Yeah, he's doctor Mark Anziolaco, University of Dayon, former International 1:10:22.560 --> 1:10:25.759 Studies program director, also a founder Human Rights Studies program, 1:10:25.840 --> 1:10:29.000 expert in political terrorism. And as we're talking about today 1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:32.120 with the thwarted plot in Los Angeles New Year's Eve, 1:10:32.479 --> 1:10:36.240 five separate locations in LA targeted by this Turtle Island 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:40.080 Liberation Front groom, extreme left wing group. We're making IEDs 1:10:40.120 --> 1:10:42.960 in the desert or stopped by the FBI because of 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:45.160 the work of a confidential inflorment. Of course, you know, 1:10:45.240 --> 1:10:48.559 we just had the Bondi Beach shooting, the massacre there, 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:51.559 and we talk about domestic terrorism this morning, which has 1:10:51.720 --> 1:10:53.640 been a concern now for the past decade and a 1:10:53.680 --> 1:10:59.240 half at least. We've gone from international terrorism to domestic 1:10:59.360 --> 1:11:01.920 terrorism now. And for the reasons we've just described, this 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:05.080 group plan mark to attack corporate targets two US companies 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:08.200 opposed to like government buildings. And you know, obviously the 1:11:09.000 --> 1:11:10.720 ICE was involved in this too as well. It's not 1:11:10.920 --> 1:11:15.000 solely based on corporate targets as well, but attacking capitalist 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:19.000 infrastructure rather than people. Are they following like is that indicay, 1:11:19.080 --> 1:11:22.080 Like they're following a specific playbook here or they just 1:11:22.240 --> 1:11:24.599 determined that these two s companies, for whatever reason, were 1:11:24.720 --> 1:11:27.439 easier targets. Or take us through what you think might 1:11:27.520 --> 1:11:28.680 the selection process might be. 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:33.560 Well, this is very similar to the domestic terrorism in 1:11:33.600 --> 1:11:36.479 the nineteen seventies, which was driven by the left right. 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:42.600 So you had the weather underground, the weather man organizations 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:47.000 like this. Remember they blew up a townhouse in Manhattan 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:51.760 when they're making a bomb and malfunction and it was 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:55.200 killed in next Dustin's. Dustin Hoffman's apartment was right next 1:11:55.240 --> 1:11:58.400 to the So these people were out there. So they 1:11:58.479 --> 1:12:02.160 had this crazy ideology that capitalism. They're Marxists, right, So 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:05.240 capitalism is the root of all evil, and that means 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:10.720 corporate capitalism, and so you turn corporations and the letter 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:15.599 bombs were sent to major corporations, and of course symbols 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:19.880 of American imperialism, the military, right, the Pentagon, your bomb, 1:12:19.960 --> 1:12:22.600 the Penttheon. I remember having a conversation with Bernard A. 1:12:22.680 --> 1:12:28.000 Dorn was convicted of planting a bomb at the Pentegon 1:12:28.080 --> 1:12:29.280 to get into her ideology. 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:31.120 So there was this crazy idea. 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:32.760 You know, you said a minute ago, how do you 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:38.960 link free Puerto Rico to free to liberally what they can. 1:12:39.720 --> 1:12:41.280 Their ideology is such. 1:12:41.280 --> 1:12:46.040 They can for us, it takes leaps and bounds to 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:48.400 move from one idea to the other. That they all 1:12:48.439 --> 1:12:52.000 blown together, so that I'm worried about. You know, we 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:55.519 saw a while back the alone individual shoots to Dad 1:12:57.640 --> 1:13:01.960 Healthcare CEO in New York. Because you're striking a blow. 1:13:02.240 --> 1:13:06.479 You're striking a blow for the revolution. The language, you know, 1:13:06.600 --> 1:13:09.519 I study of their language. You know these are crimes, 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:14.840 these are revolutionary acts, right or they're armed propaganda. I 1:13:14.920 --> 1:13:19.000 mean they've they've got a vocabulary, an entire glossary of 1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:23.840 ideas that justify violence. And you read their their, their their, 1:13:25.240 --> 1:13:30.120 there's statements right there. They're community case, they're absurd, they're ridiculous. 1:13:30.400 --> 1:13:32.479 But yeah, you know, for a long time, if I 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:35.040 talked about this several times, the threat has been on 1:13:35.680 --> 1:13:38.719 the right, the anti Semitic groups and neo Nazi groups, 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:42.880 the anti immigration groups. But hey, lefs still out there, 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:45.960 and there's reasons to strike a blow for the revolutionism. 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:48.560 Do we see do we see the pendulum swing in 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:51.120 these times? Mark Ensilaco in that when you have a 1:13:51.200 --> 1:13:54.400 democrat or democrats solgic control of the government, uh, that 1:13:54.560 --> 1:13:57.120 you start to see arise on the right of domestic terrorism, 1:13:57.160 --> 1:14:00.240 and conversely, when it appears Republicans control everything, those on 1:14:00.320 --> 1:14:01.000 the left rise up. 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:07.320 Yeah, it's a good, workable hypothesis, and it's not quite 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:10.080 as simple as that, but yeah, I mean when, for example, 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:13.880 when Barack Obama was elected I heard African American was 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:14.839 elected president. 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:16.840 Uh, you saw a. 1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:21.920 Rapid increase in the numbers of individuals who joined either 1:14:22.040 --> 1:14:25.840 anti Semitic groups, no Nazi groups or whatever. So there 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:28.000 was that reaction to the sort of unpresident thing of 1:14:28.040 --> 1:14:33.280 an African American becoming uh remember the brother lie right, 1:14:33.360 --> 1:14:38.040 the birther stuff, he's false, right, Yeah, So that that 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:40.840 that narrative provides the basis. 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:45.600 For a justification of the violent tacts. So yes, I mainly. 1:14:47.280 --> 1:14:48.320 How to put this, I. 1:14:48.400 --> 1:14:52.720 Think we're not seeing a real number increase the number 1:14:52.760 --> 1:14:55.240 of left wing groups, but it's it's quite possible. It's 1:14:55.280 --> 1:14:57.679 quite most of the violence lately has. 1:14:57.600 --> 1:15:00.519 Been has been on the right right, Yeah, and maybe 1:15:00.560 --> 1:15:02.040 it is because of that's starting to go the other 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:05.760 way and both those groups on the right and left 1:15:05.800 --> 1:15:09.120 can touch hands because of their unhinged beliefs and whatever. 1:15:09.520 --> 1:15:12.880 Vilification isn't that comes from the candidates and politics too, 1:15:12.920 --> 1:15:15.479 party system as well. Is your job is to vilify 1:15:15.600 --> 1:15:17.000 the other side, and then there are people on the 1:15:17.080 --> 1:15:20.200 extremes and the margins that take that to an extreme level, 1:15:20.240 --> 1:15:22.240 and they just continue to fuel it when they talk 1:15:22.280 --> 1:15:26.240 about you know, you know, attacking or killing your opponents. 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:28.760 The other thing going to hear too, Mark, I wanted 1:15:28.760 --> 1:15:31.400 to bring this up is most speaking of terrorism, Trump 1:15:31.800 --> 1:15:35.880 just designated Venezuela a foreign terrorist organization and ordered a 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:38.719 blockade of all US anction oil tanker service in the country. 1:15:39.760 --> 1:15:41.880 Kind of an escalation in this to a degree in 1:15:42.000 --> 1:15:44.800 Venezuela just came out of the blue as to the 1:15:44.920 --> 1:15:47.439 threat that they pose. And I think what is clearly 1:15:47.479 --> 1:15:48.960 what's going on here, and tell me if I'm wrong, 1:15:49.560 --> 1:15:52.519 is that the pretext is drugs. Because we all hate 1:15:52.560 --> 1:15:56.480 drugs or anti drug we foreign drugs, ventanyls killing our society, 1:15:56.560 --> 1:16:00.320 it's universally condemned. We target drug boats first. That provides 1:16:00.320 --> 1:16:04.600 our on political and military cover because you know, administrations 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:08.200 have found broad public support for actions against drug traffickers 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:10.560 and drug dealers. And so now we've moved to the 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:13.920 oil confiscation control part, which was probably the whole reason 1:16:13.960 --> 1:16:14.920 we did this in the first place. 1:16:14.960 --> 1:16:22.719 True, Well, this Venezuelan situation is puzzling and it's worrisome. 1:16:24.240 --> 1:16:27.679 You know, the war on drugs, Yeah, Sentinel is killing 1:16:27.720 --> 1:16:31.200 Americans by the thousands, and yet the President United States 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:34.680 pardons the former president Honduras who had turned Honduras into 1:16:34.720 --> 1:16:35.360 an arco state. 1:16:35.479 --> 1:16:37.560 Yeah, it's inexplicable to me. 1:16:40.200 --> 1:16:42.519 Americans need to play attention to what's going to slow 1:16:42.720 --> 1:16:50.479 burn in Venezuela, particularly MAGA supporters who sincerely wanted the 1:16:50.600 --> 1:16:53.600 United States out of endless wars. Well, it looks like 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:56.439 the President's dragging us into a regional war. Now, granted, 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:59.519 Venezuela won't take along the over throw off the Marines land, 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:04.280 but the naval, the military build up is incredible. 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:06.320 And you know, look, we will give you a piece 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:09.040 of news that was buried the sky. 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:12.880 A blue a jet, a passenger jet, was flying from 1:17:12.960 --> 1:17:18.559 Corsaw to New York and US Air Force fuel refueling 1:17:18.760 --> 1:17:21.599 tanker cut it off with the m two miles over 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:25.439 twenty seconds from mirror collision. But the plane had its 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:28.560 transponder off and wasn't pinged. It was involved in a 1:17:28.640 --> 1:17:32.320 clandestine operation military so when you nearly had a mid 1:17:32.400 --> 1:17:36.960 air collision related to remember president said a few weeks 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:41.040 ago that airlines should consider the airspace in Venezuela's off 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:45.360 limits as too dangerous. I mean, what's going on is. 1:17:47.640 --> 1:17:52.320 Something that needs to be paid attention to. Yeah, but. 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:57.679 Clearly the oil is meant to bring pressure on Cuba 1:17:58.360 --> 1:17:59.240 and around. 1:18:01.160 --> 1:18:02.000 In North Korea too. 1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:06.519 So on the one hand, you got the shootings of 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:08.800 the boats, get the boat singings. Three more well, in 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:12.280 the last few days, three more boats were blown up 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:18.960 by our aircraft. But now so there's that that's one drugs, 1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:21.600 but the rest of the President's action seemed to be 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:26.880 mean to destabilized to overthrow Maduro. So Americans need to 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:29.120 pay attention and decide we want to go in this direction. 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:32.800 And then you know, there's a lot of people pay 1:18:32.960 --> 1:18:35.519 much attention to it. But the whole issue over war 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:39.240 crimes in that double tap the first of September, our 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:42.040 destruction of the one boat, where there's a second strike 1:18:42.160 --> 1:18:47.879 twenty minutes later killed two and the Secretary of Defense, 1:18:47.960 --> 1:18:50.799 I won't say secretary of war, Secretary of Defense refused 1:18:50.800 --> 1:18:53.439 to release the raw footage of that. Yeah, So there 1:18:53.840 --> 1:18:57.559 are things that really Americans, You and I have seen 1:18:58.040 --> 1:19:02.160 the ebbs and flow of America politics. Recognize the importance 1:19:02.200 --> 1:19:04.600 of our institutions and their principles and our norms and 1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:05.920 and those are a thread. 1:19:06.240 --> 1:19:08.680 But that's the danger of the times in which you're in, 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:11.200 because you know, if you pledge allegiance to as opposed 1:19:11.240 --> 1:19:15.759 to the Constitution, it's one individual in this case, Donald Trump. 1:19:15.840 --> 1:19:18.160 And if you criticize that, say, you know, you're thrown 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:20.479 out of the collective herd or somehow you're seen as 1:19:21.120 --> 1:19:24.360 an enemy. But you know, the real problem here is 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:26.760 just ignoring the Constitution exists for a reason, it's got 1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:30.200 us thus far. That's probably what we should be looking at. Nonetheless, Yeah, 1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:31.200 final point, go ahead, Mark. 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:33.880 Well, you know, back to the earlier point you made 1:19:35.680 --> 1:19:37.680 with the rise of the left, that was a bit 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:40.640 of a surprise. We knew the right was acting, but 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:44.320 I sort of I did imagine that the left would 1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:49.200 radicalize because I believe we've got three more years of 1:19:49.320 --> 1:19:52.519 Trump absolutely, and other people believe he's just joying the Constitution. 1:19:52.680 --> 1:19:56.360 He's an insipid autocrat, he's pro poutent, et cetera, et cetera. 1:19:57.120 --> 1:19:59.880 If you believe that the President is really the danger. 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:02.280 That's that's that's a recipe for. 1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:07.200 Yeah, we've dehumanized and made the made the you know, 1:20:07.280 --> 1:20:09.200 the figurehead. He's the problem, and he's he's going to 1:20:09.240 --> 1:20:13.040 destroy both sides said that destroying America. People like this. 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:16.400 Hear that in this Turtle Island Literation front, and they're 1:20:16.439 --> 1:20:18.599 going to take that to an extreme. He's doctor Markan, 1:20:18.680 --> 1:20:22.439 Silaco University, Dayton political terrorism expert. Mark always enjoyed the convo. 1:20:22.520 --> 1:20:25.920 Thanks again, Happy holidays. You all right, take care. Let 1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:27.360 me get a time out in. We're running light. We 1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:29.240 got to get some news in. We got weather moving in. 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:34.200 We had fifty below zero and six inches of snow 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:36.280 a couple of days ago. Now we got all the 1:20:36.320 --> 1:20:38.479 snow melting and warm and it's gonna rain. That's gonna 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:41.320 turn icy again. Welcome to Cincinnati, Baby seven out er 1:20:41.439 --> 1:20:41.920 w W. 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:45.080 The buying selling of homes. 1:20:45.120 --> 1:20:46.800 He's in footing, timid or meek. 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:50.920 The real estate world can be a vicious jungle, playing 1:20:51.120 --> 1:20:55.599 with dangers and pitfalls. Thank god, we've got Remax time 1:20:55.680 --> 1:21:00.840 agent Michelle Sloan, a fearless real tour of Sloan sells 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:04.439 homes dot Com and the Queen of the real Estate Jungle. 1:21:05.760 --> 1:21:09.000 It's real Estate Time, which Michelle Sloane on seven hundred 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:10.639 Galla Well Jelly, our. 1:21:10.640 --> 1:21:14.759 Last segment of twenty twenty five for US last segment, Martin, 1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:16.479 how are you hey? 1:21:17.000 --> 1:21:21.040 I'm good. I guess you know somebody My neighbor yesday, 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:27.240 our neighbor yesterday. He reminded me that next week is Christmas. 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:34.519 I had no idea. I'm like, no, it's in two weeks, right, No, No, today, 1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:38.120 today's eighteenth, I think, And then she added a couple 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:38.719 more days. 1:21:38.760 --> 1:21:43.760 It's close to one week from today. Michelle, dang, I 1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:44.680 better get on it. 1:21:44.960 --> 1:21:49.040 Maybe I need to stop at Walgreens or Low's or. 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:51.960 Oh that's what I mean. It's a Walgreens Christmas. 1:21:53.120 --> 1:21:54.920 Well, we've had those before. 1:21:55.120 --> 1:21:56.000 I know all believe me. 1:21:56.080 --> 1:21:56.320 I know. 1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:04.160 You real nice clerk. That's usually the way it is. 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:06.960 I mean, it's funny because you you do a lot 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:11.120 of things wonderfully, but you are the worst gift giver. 1:22:11.680 --> 1:22:13.759 I mean, I've done some really nice gift I shouldn't 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:15.880 say that. There's been some just mind blowing gifts you've gotten. 1:22:15.920 --> 1:22:16.080 There. 1:22:16.400 --> 1:22:18.519 You just I think you just get in your own 1:22:18.600 --> 1:22:20.800 head and then you can't make a decision and then 1:22:20.920 --> 1:22:23.960 ultimately you wind up buying beef jerky at speedway. 1:22:25.160 --> 1:22:27.920 Yeah do you like jerky? 1:22:28.040 --> 1:22:28.200 Right? 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:31.400 Yeah? Yeah, sure, who doesn't like beef jerky? And lottery 1:22:31.560 --> 1:22:32.280 and scratch offs? 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:37.040 Oh, scratch off? Actually, scratch off. That's a good one. 1:22:37.560 --> 1:22:39.840 That's a good one that I got to send some 1:22:39.960 --> 1:22:41.120 of those to my dad. 1:22:41.280 --> 1:22:44.520 I think we have enough degenerator. 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:47.400 Yeah, he loves scratch off stuff. That's it's pretty funny. 1:22:47.520 --> 1:22:47.680 Yeah. 1:22:47.720 --> 1:22:51.000 The gift giving is that is definitely not your Usually, 1:22:51.200 --> 1:22:53.519 you know, guys and relationships, when you look at the 1:22:53.520 --> 1:22:55.200 woman and go, okay, we need a good gift here, 1:22:55.240 --> 1:22:57.560 and you come up with something killer. You don't have 1:22:57.640 --> 1:22:59.920 that you don't have that to your to that point, 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:01.840 the gene that you don't have. As a matter of fact, 1:23:01.880 --> 1:23:04.439 you just gifted me the other day. You were finally 1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:06.200 out because you know, your knee surge and stuff like that, 1:23:06.320 --> 1:23:08.640 and you brought back a dessert. You're like, wow, I 1:23:08.960 --> 1:23:11.080 saw this and I got dessert for us great. And 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:12.680 I went to have my dessert and there was just 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:14.920 crumbs left. So even when you give a gift, you 1:23:15.000 --> 1:23:15.519 take it back. 1:23:18.479 --> 1:23:21.840 We were a blue ass chili and I was paying 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:22.240 the bill. 1:23:22.720 --> 1:23:24.120 That was good, yep. 1:23:24.560 --> 1:23:27.120 And of course they have the nice all of the 1:23:27.479 --> 1:23:30.559 sweets and the cakes and the pies, and I'm like, oh, 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:37.439 that coconut cake looks so good. I'm gonna I'm gonna 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:37.960 have a piece of that. 1:23:38.200 --> 1:23:41.880 It's a little piece for me. 1:23:42.400 --> 1:23:47.000 And then I'm gonna get you because you like cheesecake. 1:23:47.640 --> 1:23:50.479 So I'm gonna get Scott a cheesecake. And he's like, 1:23:50.720 --> 1:23:52.640 what are you doing. I'm like, no, but I got 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:56.240 a little crump forest for later. So you saw the 1:23:56.640 --> 1:24:00.599 the of course you saw the cake and you're like, oh, 1:24:00.680 --> 1:24:04.360 I like that. Shoot, I said what about this? I 1:24:04.400 --> 1:24:07.360 got this one for you. So well, I don't really 1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:09.200 like cheesecake with all that extra stuff. 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:11.280 Yeah, a lot of different caramel and nuts, and I 1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:14.040 just playing cheesecakes. However, I'm like, oh, okay, I'll have it. 1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:16.519 Maybe you know I wasn't feeling it. Well you know what, 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:19.240 next day I go. Yeah, next day I go in 1:24:19.320 --> 1:24:20.200 there and everything's gone. 1:24:22.479 --> 1:24:22.960 I left you. 1:24:24.240 --> 1:24:26.680 She left me a bite of No, I only had 1:24:26.720 --> 1:24:29.479 a bite of it. I'm like, yeah, god, zella sized 1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:32.280 bite taking out whole cities. 1:24:32.560 --> 1:24:35.560 Damn, Hey, you know what. I've been at home. The 1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:38.680 thought that comes and you want to work, and that 1:24:38.960 --> 1:24:41.400 cake and the pie and whatever. 1:24:41.720 --> 1:24:44.040 It was not good. It's not good when you're stuck 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:45.960 in the house with a bunch of good taste and food. 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:48.240 This time of the year is rough. So what is 1:24:48.320 --> 1:24:49.840 the real estate topic today? 1:24:50.600 --> 1:24:52.920 Oh, it's a good one, you know. It's the gift 1:24:53.960 --> 1:24:56.640 to keep on giving. No, it's for home owners. You 1:24:56.720 --> 1:24:58.880 have to if you have any last minute gifts that 1:24:59.000 --> 1:25:02.320 you need to get some maybe your neighbor, maybe one 1:25:02.400 --> 1:25:05.240 of your kids who just maybe they were lucky enough 1:25:05.320 --> 1:25:07.920 to even if they don't like ohone the home or 1:25:08.040 --> 1:25:11.280 live in a home. There's always some gifts. And I'm 1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:14.400 sure you every year I come up with the list. 1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:18.160 This year I tried to ask chat gpt, and the 1:25:18.840 --> 1:25:22.519 list that chat gupt gave me for homeowners was lame. 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:26.080 I even told them these are stupid. But let's see 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:26.559 what you think. 1:25:26.720 --> 1:25:30.400 Okay, before you get into this, the entire pretext accounts 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:33.200 to we set this conversation by talking about the wonderful 1:25:33.240 --> 1:25:35.200 things my wife is good at the very few things 1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:37.800 she's not good at. One of them would be gift giving. 1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:41.280 So you're going Oh that's chatchp. That's dumb. Here's my 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:42.040 list of gifts. 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:45.800 Well maybe chat GPT. Maybe it's not as dumb as I. 1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:46.560 Think it is. 1:25:46.760 --> 1:25:49.000 Here So here's the list of Christmas gifts from the 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:51.559 person who could be arguably one of the worst gift 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:53.120 givers in the world. Go ahead, I got to hear this. 1:25:53.880 --> 1:26:01.080 Okay ready, A portable blue tooth speaker or outdoor music. 1:26:01.160 --> 1:26:04.120 I don't know that anybody needs that anymore. I don't 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:07.000 love it. An alarm clock. 1:26:07.240 --> 1:26:09.040 The one good gift is probably on the list. It 1:26:09.080 --> 1:26:10.840 is like, I think that's stupid, but that'd be awesome. 1:26:10.840 --> 1:26:12.800 We get a bluetooth speaker or an. 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:17.240 Alarm clock, the wake up with wake up light, I 1:26:17.320 --> 1:26:19.840 will say, we have you have on your side of 1:26:19.960 --> 1:26:23.280 the bed that you have the one that uh says 1:26:23.320 --> 1:26:24.759 what time it is on the ceiling? 1:26:24.880 --> 1:26:28.040 Yeah, projects now that's that's good because you wake what 1:26:28.120 --> 1:26:29.840 time is it? You look up at the ceiling. It's there. 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:32.519 It's not blaring at you. However, no one uses an 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:34.200 alarm clock anymore. We use our phones. 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:41.000 All right, Well, then that's dumb. Okay, there are all 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:45.799 candles on this lilip. Now candles I love a good candle. 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:50.439 I love a good candle, but I am very bad 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:53.560 at making sure that I blow them out at the 1:26:54.280 --> 1:26:57.880 before I leave a room or whatever. So instead of 1:26:57.920 --> 1:27:02.719 a candle, I am going to recommend the wax melt. Plus, 1:27:02.800 --> 1:27:05.960 you can get a pretty little ceramic thing to put 1:27:06.000 --> 1:27:09.200 the wax melts in. You just turn on the little 1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:11.920 light ball, the light bulb piece of the wax up 1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:13.960 and it smells nice. 1:27:14.080 --> 1:27:14.680 Now that's a. 1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:17.040 Nice house gift right there. Because you walk in it 1:27:17.080 --> 1:27:19.200 smells nice. You don't have to worry about, you know, 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:22.360 the candle. You know a lot of problems with candles, 1:27:22.439 --> 1:27:25.120 of course, you know, and what happens. It stains the ceilings. 1:27:25.200 --> 1:27:26.720 In some cases you leave it on, you could have 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:28.479 a fire. This is not a little light bulb beats 1:27:28.520 --> 1:27:30.120 it up and you you could leave it on. It's 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:31.439 no big gun. If you want a candle. 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:35.040 I love I love those and they come in so 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:39.599 many different colors. And it's interesting. Last year, last year 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:41.639 or the year before, I don't know, I was walking 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:44.280 through Myer or someplace and they had them all on sale. 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:46.800 So I bought like five million of them. And then 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:49.240 when we went to and then I lost them during 1:27:49.320 --> 1:27:52.040 the move and then I found them. I think you 1:27:52.160 --> 1:27:55.120 might have found them again. So yeah, you know what, 1:27:55.680 --> 1:27:57.200 wax mount that's Good's good. 1:27:57.479 --> 1:27:59.080 I don't miss the days where you have candles all 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:00.920 over there. Looked like a I don't like you're having 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:04.400 a seance or so. It like like a Stev Nicks 1:28:04.520 --> 1:28:05.840 video from back in the day. Buddy. 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:10.680 All right, So there's some kitchen and eating gifts. You know, 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:14.759 you can always get like the little baskets of food 1:28:15.000 --> 1:28:18.080 type stuff, but a cutting board. Cutting board could be 1:28:18.200 --> 1:28:22.559 a good kitchen staple. That's nice, that could be used 1:28:22.680 --> 1:28:25.519 over and over again. Here's one that I think is 1:28:25.640 --> 1:28:29.360 dumb as a coffee mug, because you know, we have 1:28:29.479 --> 1:28:30.759 a million coffee mugs. 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:34.160 They just seem to just yeah, yeah, promotional coffee mugs. 1:28:34.200 --> 1:28:34.519 We're good. 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:36.519 Yeah, I don't need any. 1:28:36.680 --> 1:28:38.840 They're never the right size. I like the big I 1:28:39.080 --> 1:28:42.280 like a big ass coffee mug if I coffee mugs. 1:28:42.040 --> 1:28:45.880 Are very personal because of the shape and how you 1:28:46.040 --> 1:28:49.320 hold them mint if you drink. And then some people 1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:54.240 have the little warmers where you can put the coffee 1:28:54.320 --> 1:28:56.720 mugs on top of the warmer. If you're one of 1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:59.559 those people that take a really long time to drink 1:28:59.600 --> 1:29:02.519 your coffee. And so that might be a good gift 1:29:02.680 --> 1:29:05.840 for somebody who has a desk that they like to 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:08.000 keep your coffee yet and they don't drink it like 1:29:08.160 --> 1:29:10.320 right away, and they like it warm, and maybe they 1:29:10.439 --> 1:29:13.600 keep going back to the microwave to wan it up. 1:29:13.880 --> 1:29:15.519 Just get a I mean, if that's you, just get 1:29:15.520 --> 1:29:17.439 a yetti mug, then stay hot forever. 1:29:18.320 --> 1:29:19.160 You could do that too. 1:29:20.080 --> 1:29:22.439 Somehow we've ended up with like one hundred of dolls. 1:29:22.680 --> 1:29:26.280 Well, so there's a story behind that. You forgot the story? 1:29:27.280 --> 1:29:27.720 What is it? 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:30.479 Well, because it's a while ago. I said on this 1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:33.160 very show, in this very segment, I was like, I'm 1:29:33.200 --> 1:29:35.360 looking for I've got my one mug I take every 1:29:35.400 --> 1:29:37.680 morning filled with coffee, two pods of coffee, and that thing. 1:29:37.720 --> 1:29:39.760 I'm good to go. It stays hot for you know, 1:29:40.000 --> 1:29:44.240 the hour I sip on it, and every time I 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:46.599 look for it. It was like you had them at 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:48.639 work at your office and you walk in and there'd 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:50.040 be like two or three of these things I was 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:53.280 complaining about and people sent me, sent me Yetti mugs 1:29:53.320 --> 1:29:55.320 back in the day, and I still I think, yes, 1:29:56.880 --> 1:29:59.240 So that's where that came from. If I if I 1:30:00.120 --> 1:30:02.400 have something like that, sometimes you're like, oh, I'll just 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:05.599 use his, But then that part of your brain forgets 1:30:05.680 --> 1:30:07.160 that you left it at the office, so it had 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:09.599 like sixteen coffee mugs there and none at home. 1:30:12.280 --> 1:30:14.160 Yeah, it's a problem. 1:30:14.280 --> 1:30:15.800 Probably, I don't know if it is. 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:16.800 It's just not for me. 1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:19.960 Forget that. Yeah, for you, I just buy a new mug. 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:29.439 Not for me, a fruit basket, a spog gift box 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:32.800 with relaxation care. 1:30:34.960 --> 1:30:36.800 Wow, this was great. By the way, my wife is 1:30:36.840 --> 1:30:39.880 cutting through lists of things here for homeowners. You could 1:30:39.920 --> 1:30:41.880 tell we're out of material this time of year right now. 1:30:41.920 --> 1:30:46.919 So anyway, it's very interesting if you have any ideas 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:49.160 for gifts that I can get my husband. 1:30:49.280 --> 1:30:51.400 How about a cotton candy machine? What is that the 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:53.519 other top of the list, cotton candy maker. 1:30:54.479 --> 1:30:57.840 You know, we usually do do the gifts, or you 1:30:58.000 --> 1:31:00.960 do at some point, the gifts that are like really 1:31:01.080 --> 1:31:04.320 trendy that you use once because it looks like fun, 1:31:04.400 --> 1:31:06.040 but you never get it out again. 1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:09.519 That's the cabinet of Chris Regrettable Christmas gifts pass is 1:31:09.560 --> 1:31:13.240 what it is. I really thought i'd use this fond 1:31:13.479 --> 1:31:17.200 pod more. Honestly, who doesn't like liquid even. 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:20.720 You know what, there was a waffle maker when we 1:31:20.880 --> 1:31:25.040 made the move. A lot of those regrettable Christmas gifts 1:31:25.760 --> 1:31:28.760 did not make the move with us, and they're all 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:29.880 at Goodwill right now. 1:31:30.479 --> 1:31:31.439 Somebody else's problem. 1:31:31.680 --> 1:31:34.120 If you're looking for hey, maybe that's a good idea. 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:36.800 Maybe if looking for a little something instead of going 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:39.720 to the CBS or Walgreen, a. 1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:44.599 Good Will, find some bargains there. Absolutely, snow cone maker. 1:31:44.720 --> 1:31:46.679 That's what I need. I need a snow cone maker. 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:51.400 That's fun to the kids for five minutes, right right, right? Okay, 1:31:51.479 --> 1:31:56.240 so you thought the well about some safety items to 1:31:56.360 --> 1:32:01.320 a basket of safety items like the fire extinguisher, rber monos, detecture. 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:07.200 Merry Christmas, don't die. So that's very very all right. 1:32:07.320 --> 1:32:09.920 Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's it's an armageddon Christmas. Is 1:32:10.000 --> 1:32:12.360 what's going on. I've got a fire extinguisher, all the 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:18.360 pair of glasses and cutproof gloves, got pepper spray, a gun, 1:32:19.960 --> 1:32:20.759 zombie repellent. 1:32:20.960 --> 1:32:23.800 Put it all in my bask Okay, went and dout. 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:25.040 Just go to the liquor store. 1:32:25.120 --> 1:32:25.760 Is that what you're saying? 1:32:26.120 --> 1:32:26.400 That's it? 1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:27.160 Just go to it. 1:32:27.439 --> 1:32:29.679 That's all. You need right there? What do you drink? 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:31.840 And a bourbon? Here you go, here's a bottle of bourbon. 1:32:31.880 --> 1:32:33.599 You like your wine? Here a bottle of wine? 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:38.439 Okay, wen and out go to the liquor store or 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:39.360 buy spresh off. 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:42.080 Yeah, yeah, it seems like that's that's what I would do. 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:45.479 What is wrong with giving? What is wrong with a 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:45.960 gift card? 1:32:46.080 --> 1:32:46.439 Why? Why? 1:32:46.600 --> 1:32:48.160 Is why are gift crowds so frowned upon? 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:49.639 Well? 1:32:49.800 --> 1:32:53.080 It's so impersonal, isn't it. You know what, I'm giving 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:56.679 you a fire exignature that just says nothing but love? 1:32:57.680 --> 1:32:59.479 What also says that you don't know that that person 1:32:59.560 --> 1:33:01.560 has a lot and fire extinger and I for some 1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:03.719 reason that I have a lot of fires. 1:33:03.720 --> 1:33:04.280 I don't know why. 1:33:05.240 --> 1:33:06.960 I've got fire extingus on my work truck. 1:33:07.000 --> 1:33:09.679 I've got one that's probably true. 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:11.840 I like, you've looked guard a Hosco And are you 1:33:11.960 --> 1:33:14.120 expecting sloan? Are you expecting something like bad? 1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:15.320 Are you what? 1:33:15.400 --> 1:33:17.080 Do you live in California in the middle of like 1:33:17.160 --> 1:33:17.719 the wildfire? 1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:18.479 What are you doing? 1:33:19.040 --> 1:33:19.080 Like? 1:33:19.200 --> 1:33:21.240 Yeah, I don't know. I just collect fire extinguishers. That's 1:33:21.280 --> 1:33:25.240 my collect My wife with candles and I collect fire extinguishers, 1:33:25.280 --> 1:33:28.560 So that's what we do. Yeah, I don't know. I 1:33:28.680 --> 1:33:30.320 just I don't know why gift cards get such a 1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:33.639 bad rap because it's easy to buy, it's thoughtful, because 1:33:33.760 --> 1:33:35.840 you know, if you get a gift card to Home 1:33:35.920 --> 1:33:39.800 Depot or Low's or Ace Hardware or whatever it is minards, 1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:42.680 you're like, oh, okay, well I could use something, and 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:44.880 then you pick something nice for you and and yet 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:47.560 somehow that's impersonal as opposed to what I go and 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:50.760 buy clothes or someone a shirt, a jacket or whatever 1:33:50.800 --> 1:33:52.599 it might be, pair of shoes and they don't fit, 1:33:52.680 --> 1:33:54.120 you don't like it, I've got that, and then they 1:33:54.160 --> 1:33:56.000 wind up returning. It's a bigger pain in the ass 1:33:56.120 --> 1:33:57.400 to do that than it is just to get the 1:33:57.439 --> 1:33:57.840 gift card. 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:01.960 But so gift cards, there is a statistic out there 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:03.960 that like half of the gift cards in the world 1:34:04.160 --> 1:34:07.120 don't end up getting used. We have a we do 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:10.280 have drawer of unused gift cards, and a couple of 1:34:10.439 --> 1:34:13.320 them will probably never ever use. 1:34:14.640 --> 1:34:16.960 Yeah, are someplaces are of business. 1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:21.240 So right, maybe we could regift those. We're actually for 1:34:21.400 --> 1:34:26.040 the Sloan Family Extravaganza Christmas here, we're doing a gift 1:34:26.120 --> 1:34:31.639 card gift exchange like a white elephant. So instead of bringing, 1:34:31.960 --> 1:34:36.360 you know, something really stupid that nobody really wants or 1:34:36.439 --> 1:34:40.560 in your family, it's something you know that is totally inappropriate, 1:34:41.880 --> 1:34:44.919 We're going to We're going to have a gift exchange 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:48.000 with gift cards this year. It's easy to carry. I 1:34:48.040 --> 1:34:49.559 guess for the out of town eers too. 1:34:49.760 --> 1:34:52.639 Yeah already, yeah, so we've got the nieces and nephews 1:34:52.760 --> 1:34:54.840 and all that, and so yeah, I already went and 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:55.800 got the gift cards. Were good? 1:34:56.760 --> 1:34:57.240 Oh you did? 1:34:57.479 --> 1:34:57.679 Yep? 1:34:58.920 --> 1:35:02.799 For real, yes, because I'm really going to get. 1:35:02.720 --> 1:35:05.920 Those taking care of check the box. Everyone gets a 1:35:06.040 --> 1:35:13.920 twenty five dollars gift card to Hustler Hollywood. Here you go, 1:35:14.040 --> 1:35:16.960 Grandma married Christmas. It's the gift that keeps on getting. 1:35:17.439 --> 1:35:18.560 I want to do this. 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:23.679 It's just it's just a massager, Grandma. That's fine. My wife, 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:26.639 Michelle Sloan stand cells Holmes dot Com Open House Show, 1:35:27.040 --> 1:35:28.880 My gifts are a lot more fun than her gifts. 1:35:28.920 --> 1:35:29.720 That's for damn sure. 1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:33.400 Anyway, gifts this year, Okay, yeah, I. 1:35:33.479 --> 1:35:35.960 Got your stuff. I got seven or eight things for you. 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:40.040 What'd you get me? I'm in trouble you know what 1:35:40.360 --> 1:35:42.200 process slice a pie off the list. 1:35:43.439 --> 1:35:48.920 I've got an excuse. Agree, I'm on, I could give you. 1:35:49.000 --> 1:35:50.760 I have two extra oxy left. 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:58.679 Now that that is a great Christmas gift. My wife, 1:35:58.800 --> 1:36:01.280 Michelle Sloan breaking all sorts of federal laws on the 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:03.720 show here, so I love her. She lives on the edge. 1:36:03.760 --> 1:36:07.080 She does so long saleshomes dot com openhouse show that's 1:36:07.120 --> 1:36:10.479 available via the iHeartRadio app and the podcasts and of 1:36:10.600 --> 1:36:12.880 course on YouTube too. All right, gotta get going here. 1:36:13.280 --> 1:36:14.760 All of a sudden, I've been craving for pie. I 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:16.600 don't know why. Love you, see you later, Gotta go. 1:36:16.680 --> 1:36:18.320 Willie is on the way. Next it's the home of 1:36:18.360 --> 1:36:21.400 the best Bengals coverage. Seven hundred WOWTE Cincinnati,