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Speaker 2: Slowly on seven undterd WLW. You know, you kind almost

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Speaker 2: set your watch by this stuff. Every four years, when

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Speaker 2: the political parties change, you have people who are on

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Speaker 2: the outside looking in, and the voices get louder for

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Speaker 2: a lot of different things. You kind of heard a

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Speaker 2: little bit about it, and it's always been a topic.

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Speaker 2: But wealth inequality is going to blow up over the

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Speaker 2: next four years simply because you have a Republican in office,

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Speaker 2: and when you have policies that just feel the fire

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Speaker 2: for people who are well socialists or simply think by

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Speaker 2: existing they deserve X amount of dollars for just showing up.

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Speaker 2: But we know America generally is built on marriage of meritocracy.

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Speaker 2: Now again, i'd say an asterisk because some people are

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Speaker 2: born on third base thinking they hit a triple when

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Speaker 2: that is not the case. I mean, let's face it,

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Speaker 2: we have a young generation who's shackled by things like

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Speaker 2: college debt and taking on the ability to own a house,

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Speaker 2: to start a family, to buy a new car, all

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Speaker 2: the things we kind of took for granted when we

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that, but there is something to be said

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Speaker 2: about hard work and showing up, and some things do

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Speaker 2: indeed need to change. And you look at the distribution

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Speaker 2: of wealth in this country, it is a problem if

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Speaker 2: you don't have a burgeoning middle and lower class in

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Speaker 2: order to buy the stuff that they manufacture. But to

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Speaker 2: you simply broad brushing and turn capitalism some sort of

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Speaker 2: evil and something that has to be undone is absolutely silly.

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Speaker 2: Derek Bullen is a expert in the area of wealth

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Speaker 2: and how we look at this in America, And Derek,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. And I think we're going to start to

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Speaker 2: hear more loudly than we have in the past that

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Speaker 2: wealth is a four letter word. So just whear it's

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Speaker 2: a curse word, it's an epithet.

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Speaker 3: I know, the narrative is so calmonplace, it's just shame

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Speaker 3: forn and it's all over on the rich, and none

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Speaker 3: of it's correct.

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Speaker 4: It's so highly incorrect.

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Speaker 3: I thought I should get out there and just get

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Speaker 3: the facts out for what they really are.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you say rich or wealthy, what is that?

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Speaker 2: Even because it's such a general term, it's relative to

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Speaker 2: where you are. You know, if I make twelve dollars

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Speaker 2: an hour, the guy making twenty dollars an hours wealthy, right,

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Speaker 2: and if you're making twenty so it's all relative.

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Speaker 5: To who you are.

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Speaker 3: So true, it's so true. You know, it actually is

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Speaker 3: absolutely relative to who you are. So, you know, I

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Speaker 3: grew up in the fairly poor, working class neighborhood in Calgary,

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Speaker 3: you know. And but I think in the for the mainstream,

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Speaker 3: I think, and for the politicians, they always run it

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Speaker 3: against the one percent, or they always run it against

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Speaker 3: the billionaires. But even there, what they're saying is not true.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's tax time, right, and there will be

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Speaker 3: about one point six billion in taxes collected by the

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Speaker 3: percent of that amount, like they're paying for almost forty

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Speaker 3: percent of the roads, schools, hospitals, everything. And the one

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Speaker 3: percent is not enough to you know, vote in a

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Speaker 3: politician or vote out a politician. But they are the

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Speaker 3: golden goose that always gets squeezed. Nobody knows that the

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Speaker 3: bottom fifty seven percent of people that work last year

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Speaker 3: will pay no federal incompacts at all. So when I hear,

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Speaker 3: you know, Joe Biden saying pay your fair share, like,

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Speaker 3: how much more than forty percent of the burden carried

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Speaker 3: by one percent of the population, was he what's he

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing is too, is that I know

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Speaker 2: we'll get more on this in a second, but but

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Speaker 2: to me, the tax a rich plan, it doesn't it

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Speaker 2: there's going to be able to make more money, and

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Speaker 2: we kind of need those people because it inspires the

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Speaker 2: where they are. You're an entrepreneur, you started with nothing

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Speaker 2: field right now, So we love that, Drew. Now you're Canadian.

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Speaker 2: But again it's the what we call here the American dream,

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Speaker 3: Exactly right, And you know, it is a hard A

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Speaker 3: they say, oh, it is the rich get richer, They're

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Speaker 4: That's not true.

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Speaker 3: As the rich get richer, everybody's getting more prosperous. You know,

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Speaker 3: when President Johnson started the War on Poverty in nineteen

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Speaker 4: As we've gone from.

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Speaker 3: Back in the eighties, maybe there were fifteen billionaires to

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Speaker 3: the day there's almost three thousand billionaires on the globe.

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Speaker 3: The pie has gotten bigger, and I can give you

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Speaker 3: has gotten bigger and multiple people have benefited, not just

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Speaker 3: the person making it.

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Speaker 2: Well, give me one good example of a dummy like me.

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Speaker 2: Can understand. I don't talk over my head now, I'm

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Speaker 2: not wealthy like you.

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Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty, the value of Amazon jumped by

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Speaker 3: went up by fifty seven billion, Oh, the shame of

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Speaker 3: the shame. And what they didn't realize is he owns

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Speaker 4: The only reason he owns.

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Speaker 4: And so, you know, being the CEO of.

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Speaker 3: A company like that, you're putting on this great buffet

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Speaker 3: for you. So that's one way. Every time Bezels makes

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Speaker 3: he's doing that, well he's doing that, he's paying out

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Speaker 4: Paying out another forty two billion.

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Speaker 3: Forty eight billion goes out for the forty six billion

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Speaker 3: to research and development that is cutting edge. Amazon Web

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Speaker 3: like that for every entrepreneur, Elong Musk, Bezols, Bill Gates,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's in this case, we it's easy to

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Speaker 2: Look at the wealth. This guy has homes all over

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Speaker 2: And yet if you look at the people who are

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Speaker 2: return to me a profit. And that's why you have

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Speaker 2: winners and losers on Wall Street. But anyone now can

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Speaker 3: You know, I always tell my kids, if you can't budget,

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Speaker 3: You know, most lottery winners, most seventy percent of the

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Speaker 2: defending wealth, and that is that wealth is a good thing,

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Speaker 2: the reality is we need wealthy people in the marria.

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Speaker 2: One of the other elements of this too, Derek W'll

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Speaker 2: technology out there that's just jaw dropping. For example, space

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Speaker 2: I think anyway. But that's typically how it works, is

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Speaker 3: Now, sure, electric cars, smartphones, and you know they talk

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Speaker 3: And most people start donating as they get later in life.

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Speaker 2: We live in an age of political retribution. Authorititics is

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Speaker 9: to where he was working. That was Joe Kaplan and

436
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 9: Elaine Shue. Elwood could have easily seen them go into

437
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 9: that room, and our theory as he did see them

438
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,360
Speaker 9: knew that it was a couple staying in that room.

439
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 9: Later that night, after Elwood got off of work, rode

440
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 9: to Nathan, our victim showed up. Elwood did not realize

441
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 9: now that there are three people in the room. The

442
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 9: next morning, the couple that first arrived went down to

443
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 9: breakfast and rote of Nathan is in the room. She's

444
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 9: going to take a shower, and Elwood is also working

445
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 9: in the room right next door.

446
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 7: That day.

447
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,959
Speaker 9: It's a banquet room with the door open, and Elwood

448
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 9: is a thief. He's a career thief. And our belief

449
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 9: is is that he saw an opportunity, went in the

450
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 9: room because he thought it was open and confronts. Wrote

451
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 9: to Nathan, rode to Nathan, is savagely beaten. She died

452
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 9: of blunt force trauma. There was very little blood at

453
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 9: the scene because it was just beaten to death. About

454
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 9: a half hour later, the couple comes back from breakfast,

455
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 9: open the door and they find Roda Nathan laying on

456
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 9: the floor.

457
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 5: All she had on her was a bath towe.

458
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 9: They think, oh my god, she must have had a

459
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 9: heart attack, and they call paramatics and they come and

460
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 9: they're treating her, trying to revive her from what they

461
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 9: believed was a heart attack. Two other things were noticed

462
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 9: by the couple at the time. There was a distinctive

463
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 9: handweight made necklace that Rhoda always wore around her neck

464
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 9: and it was missing. Also, Elaine Shub noticed there were

465
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 9: hundreds of dollars of cash that she had in her

466
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 9: purse that was taken. One other thing is this is

467
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 9: a you know, thirty years ago or so on. Back then,

468
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 9: they didn't have the electronic key cards. You needed a

469
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 9: key to get in the door, and the door latched automatically,

470
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 9: but Joe Kaplan was sure when he left the room,

471
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 9: he did what most people do, checked to made sure

472
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 9: it was securely locked because they didn't want it open.

473
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 9: With rood In taking a shower. When Rhoda gets to

474
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 9: the hospital, she dies. They take her to the coroner's

475
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 9: office and lo and behold, they find that she died

476
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 9: from blunt for's trauma.

477
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 5: A couple other things about her body.

478
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 9: There was a couple of distinctive bruises that were developed

479
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 9: on her body. One was very consistent with a walkie

480
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 9: talkie which some of the workers in the hotel were issued.

481
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 9: Elwood Jones was one of those. There was also a

482
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 9: door chain a latch, which is kind of an unusual

483
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 9: mark to have on a body. She also had that

484
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 9: on her body, and it told us that whoever did

485
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,479
Speaker 9: this three things we know for sure. The person had

486
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 9: to have a master key. The person also had to

487
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 9: have a walkie talkie, and the person also had to

488
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 9: have one of these door latches. We also know that

489
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 9: the person that did this took Rhoda's necklace. When Elwood

490
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 9: Jones arrived at work that morning, everybody noticed he was fine.

491
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 9: A couple hours later, people noticed that his left hand

492
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 9: was bandaged and people said, elwo, what happened to your hand?

493
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 5: Person?

494
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 9: He said, well, I's taking some trash out and I

495
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 9: fell and I cut it. And somebody else asked him,

496
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 9: he says, well, when I was up on the second

497
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 9: floor taking down that banquet room, a piece of the

498
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 9: floor and fell on my hand and he cut it.

499
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 5: So some inconsistent things.

500
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 9: Immediately, when Blue ass started investigating, they realized one.

501
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 5: Very important thing.

502
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 9: Whoever did this had to be in the hotel that

503
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 9: morning and had to have a master key, and that

504
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 9: limited the suspect pool from hundreds of people in the

505
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 9: hotel to about four people. You know what I'm saying this,

506
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 9: I feel like I've given an opening statement again. But

507
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 9: these are the facts, and this is what we presented

508
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 9: to the jury. About four or five days later, Elwood's

509
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 9: hand got very infected and he's thinking, I'd better do

510
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 9: something about this. And he goes to some clinic and

511
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 9: there's a doctor, John McDonough, who taught at UC Med School,

512
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 9: and he was one of the best hand surgeons in

513
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 9: the country. And one day a month he would volunteer

514
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 9: to go to this clinic and treat people basically for free.

515
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 9: It's almost like God said, I want you there that

516
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 9: day because I want someone to see what Elwood has.

517
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 9: And Elwood comes in and his left hand has severely sworn.

518
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 9: It's Elwood, what what happened to your hand? And he

519
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 9: gives them a couple other stories. And the doctor knows

520
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 9: that anytime you've got a cut in one of your knuckles,

521
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 9: chances are you pop somebody in the mouth. He also

522
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 9: knows that inside the human gum line there's a bacteria

523
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 9: Aikinela Crodins. I don't know science very well. Hell, I

524
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 9: want to Roger Bacon I Joe couldn't get in, but

525
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 9: he had to settle for saying it's just sad, you know,

526
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 9: but we have standards like you. Anyway, he knew that

527
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 9: if I don't treat this hand for Konela crones or

528
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 9: tests for it, he's going to lose his hand. So

529
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 9: even though Elwood said I cut it on something, he

530
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 9: tested for this bacteria that's in the gum line. Lo

531
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 9: and behold, it's Akonela crodins. In fact, he was so

532
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 9: sure of this he took a picture of Elwood's hand

533
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 9: to teach to his medical students and said, if an

534
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 9: anybody ever comes in with a hand swollen like this,

535
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 9: you've got to test for that bacteria because if you don't,

536
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 9: they're probably gonna lose their hands. So when this came out,

537
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 9: everybody started focusing on Elwood. Blueesh police got a search

538
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 9: warrant for his car, for his home, for his trunk

539
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 9: of his car. A couple things they found. Number one,

540
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 9: they found Alwaukee talkie. That actually Joe and I went

541
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 9: to Washington, d C. And had the FBI lab look

542
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 9: at it and they were able to match it. Again,

543
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 9: it's Alwaukee talkie. There were more than one in that hotel,

544
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 9: but it matched all the rivets and everything matched exactly

545
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 9: the mark on road of Nathan's check chest. Also in

546
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 9: his toolbox there was one of these door latches and

547
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 9: that also matched the toolmark. The impression of that door

548
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 9: lock on her chest, which is again that's a lot

549
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 9: more unusual than Milwaukee Talkie. But the absolute thing that

550
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 9: clinched it all was that pendant of Rooda Nathan. They

551
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 9: were in a picture of taking of road to Nathan

552
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 9: wearing that and it matched exactly that pendant found in

553
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 9: the trunk of Elwood Jones's car.

554
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 5: I think that's a pretty darn good case.

555
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 8: That is.

556
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: Then lead prosecutor of this case, Mark pitp Meyer in

557
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: Study Yester with Joe Dieters and Willie Who. I hear

558
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: the entire thing. It's really compelling. Obviously I play at all.

559
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: I was a pretty long segment, I understand, but that's

560
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: available the iHeartRadio podcast page. Just go to the iHeartRadio

561
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: app down load. There is really really tough to listen to,

562
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: but also compelling at the same time. If you're a

563
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: friend of a true crime, I hear this and go okay.

564
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 8: Well.

565
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: Prosecutor County Pillows last week said that you know evidence

566
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: was left out. It made you think makes one think

567
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: believing that there was some conspiracy against Elwood Jones all

568
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: these years.

569
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 5: I don't know.

570
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: I listened to that and go, yeah, it's all circumstantial evidence.

571
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: But if you take enough pieces of circumstantial evidence and

572
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: put it all together, how many people could possibly have

573
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: done what Elwood Jones was accused of doing. So you know,

574
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: if you just said, hey, he was working in the

575
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: room next to this couple and he had a robbery record,

576
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: he had a jacket, I don't know how many, how

577
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: thick that was, but nonetheless he had prior history work

578
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: in the room next to them. They go to breakfast,

579
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: he sees that they left to go you know what

580
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: if I were, and Jerry go, okay, well I can't

581
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: convict a guy on that, just as soon as he happenstance, Okay,

582
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: four people that day had a master key. Well, that

583
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: narrows it down. He also had a walkie talkie. I

584
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: don't know how many people on duty that day had

585
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: a walkie talkie. How many people had access to a

586
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: doordling a door chain latch in their toolbox? I went,

587
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, if you hit something and you push

588
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: them into the door, But the way the marks were

589
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: on the body and is such. There's no way from

590
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: what I understand, it could have been attached to the door.

591
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: It had to be a loose storchain, a latch which

592
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: pretty heavy. You look at that go out, it's almost

593
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: like a little many mace sort of thing you can

594
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: swing around. The fact that it worked that day, he

595
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: was fine middle of the day. He has his hand

596
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: bandaged up, and different stories as to how that accident occurred.

597
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: And then, of course the compelling piece of evidence here

598
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: the infection consistent with bacteria in the mouth. Now I

599
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: know that she also wrought a had appatitis B and

600
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: they said, well that's easily that's sort of a lot

601
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: more communicable than this particular disease. But you know, again,

602
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: you have it in your mouth, and she tested positive

603
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: Ford and you had the injury. How many people out

604
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: of that Ford does it have left? You look at

605
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: all this stuff and go, okay, he had the radio,

606
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: he had the key, he had the door latch, and

607
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: then you find the necklace in his trunk. How did

608
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: it end up there?

609
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 8: You know?

610
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: Did I found it and I threw a Why Okay,

611
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: if I found a necklace, you'd probably put in your pocket,

612
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: take it down and lost and found. But it was

613
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: in his car, in his trunk of all things. I'm like,

614
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: all right, I understand that we have new forensic evidence

615
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: data that's coming out that could refute a lot of

616
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: this stuff, But for the life of me, I can't

617
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: figure out how it's anyone but Elwood Jones. But the

618
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: problem is, as I said, you know, politics today is

619
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: about retribution. And you know, if you say, having to

620
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: come up with a commission in order to make sure

621
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: that only people who are in jail or in prison

622
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: are there to make sure that we're consistent with our convictions,

623
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: and you know, to look through it. And I think

624
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: that's a noble thing. But in order to make that commission,

625
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: you need a reason, and the reason would be Elwood

626
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: Jones is this And I think that quite honestly, would

627
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: happened with the assaults over the summer that you know,

628
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: we saw the rush to judgment there, and we saw

629
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: the rush to try and convict someone of a racial

630
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: crime when it turns out he was the victim of

631
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: racial crime. And of course once that was discovered, you

632
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: don't hear about the story anymore. With these over the

633
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: summer beatdowns. Do we have the same kind of thing

634
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: happening here to a degree where you're like, hey, I

635
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: got to come up with a commission here, and now

636
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: we've got to find someone. And it just seems like

637
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: Elwood Jones, who's been very vocal about his imprisonment as

638
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: being innocent, as all people in prison are pretty innocent

639
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: if you listen to their story, that we found a

640
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: guy who could be the poster child for what it

641
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: is we're seeking to do. Which side do you believe?

642
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Scott's loan seven hundred WW do.

643
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Speaker 10: You want to be an American idiot?

644
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: Barry w Enderwick has a very cool Instagram free so

645
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: every day for the past number of years, he makes

646
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: a sandwich, makes a sandwich, and not just any sandwich.

647
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: He takes and makes a sandwich that was popular at

648
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: various times throughout history. So for example, he creates what

649
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: they're eating and let's say nineteen eighteen. I don't know

650
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 2: what that is they were eating in nineteen eight eighteen,

651
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: but safe to say, you know what sandwiches in nineteen

652
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Speaker 2: eighteen sucked compared to today. We are like, this is

653
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Speaker 2: the golden era of food. Let's just call it what

654
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: it is. His ig is at Sandwiches of History. He

655
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: makes one of those things today and he's got literally

656
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: billions of followers here and he joins the show now

657
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: to talk about it. Also has a book called Sandwich

658
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Speaker 2: The History of the Cookbook.

659
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Speaker 6: Barry W.

660
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Speaker 2: Dwick Welcome. So are you Berry?

661
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 8: Thank you? I am doing great. How about yourself?

662
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. I mean I like to eat man

663
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing that's how you started this whole thing.

664
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: What the fascination with sandwiches? Howd that begin?

665
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 8: Well? First of all, who doesn't love a sandwich? Always

666
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 8: loved the sandwiches. And the thing about sandwiches it's great

667
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 8: is you can change up everything about it and it's portable, right,

668
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 8: you can change out the bread, have the breads treated,

669
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Speaker 8: what's between the bread? So I just I love sandwiches

670
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 8: in general. But I found this PDF of the up

671
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 8: to date Sandwich book that was published in nineteen oh nine,

672
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Speaker 8: and I was like, wow, So these are what they

673
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Speaker 8: thought were the bees knees and nineteen oh nine, and

674
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 8: some of them quite clearly are not. But I thought

675
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 8: it'd be fun to do on social media kind of

676
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Speaker 8: share with people. And it turns out people are interested

677
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 8: in these old rereacipees, and I found that, you know,

678
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 8: most of the breast feeds fell in this area where

679
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 8: they were like, you know, if you just had an

680
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 8: ingredient or two, these might be pretty good. So that's

681
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Speaker 8: where the whole I'm gonna plus this up concept came from.

682
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Speaker 2: Nice everything. I'm a food I'm not liking over the

683
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: top foody, but I'm a foodie and I you know

684
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: what I I see like an I don't know the

685
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: menu that was served on the day the Titanic sunk.

686
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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm fascinated with like what they thought was

687
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: great at that time, like jello or you know, and

688
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: stuff either you look at it and go, man, I

689
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: really really like elderberries or whatever the hell it is

690
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: at that period of time. Like what was the fascination

691
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: with celery? Like some of those old menus from the

692
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: from the late eighteen to nineteen. It's like, well, I

693
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: have celery on the mind, dude, it's celery. What's the

694
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: big deal?

695
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Speaker 1: Hey?

696
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Speaker 8: You know? Can I can I share with you one

697
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Speaker 8: of the oddest food trends that I came up across.

698
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Speaker 8: And you've been doing this yeast fresh yeast real Qushian brothers. Apparently, yeah,

699
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 8: apparently in the nineteen twenties, people started to buy bread

700
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 8: and eventually sliced bread in nineteen twenty eight, and so

701
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Speaker 8: they were cooking less at home, and so yeast de

702
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 8: Man went down and the Fleshman brothers wanted to do sales.

703
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 8: So they got together with a marketing company in New

704
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 8: York and came up with they eat Fresh Yeast for

705
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Speaker 8: Health campaign, and it somehow worked, and in fact, in

706
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Speaker 8: one of the books there is a recipe for a

707
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 8: yeast sandwich. And you know, I've never eaten wall paper paste,

708
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 8: but I can imagine question.

709
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, in one hundred years to own, there's

710
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Speaker 2: a big guy doing this on whatever platform. It is

711
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Speaker 2: a word dead and gone berry and it'd be like

712
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: mucked a powder or something like that. But what the

713
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: hell is that?

714
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Speaker 5: I don't know that exactly.

715
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: It's all stuff is all trending. What is the worst

716
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: sandwich that you've ever eaten in from what years?

717
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Speaker 8: You know? I do think that the yeast sandwich in

718
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 8: theaeteen twenties was is either the worst or tied for

719
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 8: the worst with the oyster sandwich from the up to

720
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Speaker 8: date Sandwich Book of nineteen oh nine, which had any

721
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 8: chopped raw oysters mixing with olive oil Worcester sauce and

722
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Speaker 8: put it between buttered bread with lettuce, and I like

723
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 8: raw oysters on the half show. That was an abomination.

724
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 8: That was just it was horrible textual nightmare.

725
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Speaker 2: I remember watching that on your feet actually and laughing

726
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: at a lot like this is gonna suck and it did?

727
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: You did that disappointment that?

728
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, sometimes it sounds they read like they're going

729
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 8: to suck, and they don't. That doesn't happen as often

730
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 8: as i'd like, right, But the ones that suck, yeah,

731
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Speaker 8: they suck.

732
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Speaker 2: We call them sandwiches. But is a sandwich a hogi,

733
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: a grinder, a sub, a sanga witch? Is it all

734
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 2: a yo? Is it all the same thing?

735
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 8: Yes, it's all in the category of sandwich. And even

736
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 8: what's what's funny about that is the name sandwich comes

737
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 8: from the fourth Earl of Montague. Somehow he got his

738
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 8: name on it. But he clearly was not the first

739
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 8: person to put meat between breads. But he did a

740
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 8: good job of branding and boom, we call him sandwiches.

741
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: Is a taco or a hot dog? A sandwich. Why

742
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: is a hot dog not a sandwich? A burger is

743
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: a sandwich, but a hot dog is I.

744
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 8: Got you, I got it.

745
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 5: Okay.

746
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 8: So taco I don't consider to be a sandwich because

747
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 8: the tortilla is of uniform thickness, so it acts more

748
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 8: like a sling than anything else. Hot dog, I think

749
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 8: technically is a sandwich for two reasons. One, everything's made up,

750
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 8: so just enjoy the hot dog. But two, if you

751
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 8: look at if you look at the bun, it's kind

752
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 8: of equal thickness on two sides, and it's a very

753
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 8: thin hinge to accommodate the tubular meat. And then that

754
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 8: sort of configuration kind of mirrors what you see it

755
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 8: like Jersey Mikes or what everyone the role. So to me,

756
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 8: technically it is a sandwich. Now, if you say, hey,

757
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 8: do you want a sandwich and you hear me a

758
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 8: hot dog, I'm gonna be like wait what? So there

759
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 8: is that disconnect, But I think it technically falls in

760
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 8: the category.

761
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 5: I get it.

762
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: I see, I feel where you're coming from here, man Berry.

763
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: You know what I I love. I love the cut

764
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: of your cheese. But a taco is not what and

765
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: a roll up is not a sandwich, it's a roll up.

766
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: It's it's a tortilla.

767
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, wrap an The rap actually describes itself.

768
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: Did you ever just throw cautions and will get crazy

769
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: and have a wrap berry?

770
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 8: Oh? Yeah's wild.

771
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 6: You never get I mean, you.

772
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: Never get tired of sandwiches. It's amazing.

773
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 8: I'm a guy who loves food. Yeah, so yeah, I'm

774
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 8: not gonna I'm not gonna be uh. You know, it's

775
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 8: overly prescriptive about categories. If it's something sounds delicious on.

776
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: The kindred spirits here, there's no doubt about it. You

777
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: mentioned the earliest, you know, the Earl of sandwich, which

778
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: actually was like like a chain they have the they

779
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: added to CBG at our airport when you land there

780
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: in a few days. That and and he wasn't obviously

781
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: the first one that I actually did a little research.

782
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: So the Helll's mixtury familiar with that?

783
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, hello, sandwich one hundred BC. In the Jewish

784
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 8: tradition they put together lamb and bitter herb between I

785
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 8: believe mansa.

786
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: So that's a sandwich that sounds terrible. That sounds like

787
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: have you recreated that one? Because that sounds like it

788
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: could serve, it could suck worse than an oyster sandwich.

789
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 8: The modern equivalent is actually made with harrow set, which

790
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 8: is nuts and fruits, so it actually works pretty well.

791
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 8: I have not made it with the lamb, so and

792
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 8: you know the bitter herb like arugula, right, yeah, crazy,

793
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 8: it's not gonna be crazy better. So it was actually

794
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 8: pretty good. Yeah. But there's one older than that that

795
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 8: I've discovered that was in I've discovered. I came upon.

796
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 8: I did not discover it someone else house. And it's

797
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 8: called the Rogi Mo and it's from China, Shanxi Province,

798
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 8: two hundred BC. And it's basically along the Silk Road

799
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 8: where they created spices, and it's just a bunch of

800
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 8: warm spices and beef that gets stewed until it's just

801
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 8: fallen apart. Today it's made with pork belly predominantly, but

802
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 8: it was made with beef originally, and it's put inside

803
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 8: a griddle cake that split almost all the way through,

804
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 8: and it's like it's delicious.

805
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting, all right.

806
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 5: Berry W.

807
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: Nderwick is here. He has his ig feed and his

808
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: book is Sandwich of the History of the Cookbook, where

809
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: he has all this stuff in there too and just

810
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: goes through different eras in world history and makes a

811
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: sandwich daily on his ig feed, which is pretty damn

812
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: cool in my opinion. Pretty clearly America because we're always

813
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: on the go. I was talking, you know, talk about

814
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: like drive throughs and stuff like that, and it's such

815
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: an American thing. You go to Europe and they don't

816
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: do that at all. You got you actually have to

817
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: sit your ass down and have a coffee. There's no

818
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: drive even if you want to use the bathroom.

819
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 7: You got.

820
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: So we obviously must lead the world in portable fool food,

821
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: which is the sandwich starting with number one has got

822
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: to be the Hamburger. So after that, though, when you

823
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: look at world sandwiches, how would you rank who comes

824
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: in second to the US?

825
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 8: Oh? Boy, you know, the UK absolutely loves it sandwiches.

826
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 8: You're right, they don't have drive throughs, but boy, how

827
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 8: do you can get a sandwich just about everywhere and

828
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 8: they're very passionate about it. Mexico has a fantastic array

829
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 8: of sandwiches. They're all using telearro rolls or they're using

830
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 8: Balio rows, but their torches down there are amazing. And

831
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 8: I think outside of that, then it starts to diminish

832
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 8: a little bit. But practically every cuisine seems to have

833
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 8: a sandwich, which is fantastic. That's another great thing about

834
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 8: this is like everywhere around the world. When I do

835
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 8: an Instagram Live, I'll get people from Sweden, I'll get

836
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 8: people from New Zealand, I'll get to Germany, I'll get

837
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 8: I've had people from Africa tune in. The sandwich just

838
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 8: seems to have a universal appeal.

839
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

840
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 8: Yeah.

841
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 2: Over in the ukn they have something called a chip

842
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: Buddy and you think, oh, as was it guy? But no,

843
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: it gets two slice of white bread with French fries

844
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: on it and butter.

845
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 8: It's a carb bomb and it's probably not the healthiest

846
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 8: in the world, but it did tasty, especially if you

847
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 8: had a pint berry.

848
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: If you're going carb bomb, what would it be? Would

849
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: it be a spaghetti sandwich?

850
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 5: Did you?

851
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: Was it you? You did a Was there a potato

852
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: salad sandwich?

853
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 8: I thought there was a Yeah, I just did a

854
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 8: potato salad sandwich the other day. It had a little

855
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 8: bit of a hard boiled eggs and manage and there,

856
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 8: so it wasn't j just potatoes. It's kind of like

857
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 8: a mash up between the two. I would say that

858
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 8: the chip Buddy is probably up there with the carb

859
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 8: bombed sandwich. It tastes like you shouldn't be eating it,

860
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 8: but it tastes good.

861
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: Gotcha?

862
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 5: All right?

863
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: So let's do this. Give me a sandwich from each

864
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: decade started on. We could do this all day, I suppose,

865
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 2: but let's say in nineteen ten.

866
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 8: Up, because I've done like over a thousand sandwiches.

867
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: Oh man, are we doing that? Whatever do you want? Man,

868
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: it's your show. I don't care this. I'm just sitting here.

869
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: I'm not early entertained by This is freaking awesome. Are

870
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: you kidding me? We're talking about sandwiches everyone. If you

871
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: don't like a sandwich, I demand you never listened to

872
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: the show.

873
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 5: Again.

874
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: Everyone loves sandwiches.

875
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 8: Wow, Well, let's see we've got the crooked Maseur sandwich

876
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 8: was developed in France in the nineteen ten okay, and

877
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 8: that is what again. It's ham and cheese basically, and

878
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 8: then fried bechamel sauce. It's quite good, it's quite decadent.

879
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 8: And then it's the foundation for the crook Madam, which

880
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 8: actually has an egg over easy egg on top.

881
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: Is this U currently right now? I mentioned at the

882
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: start Berry that this is the golden age of food.

883
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: Every year it gets better and better, or maybe worse

884
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: and horse and worse if you're handwringing vegan dietitian and

885
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: I look at this and go, it can't get any

886
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: better than it is right now. And I'm kind of

887
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: joke because you go back in the day like one

888
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: of your grandparents and they're like, oh, I want horsehound

889
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: candy or liquorice or like you look at it and go, yeah,

890
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: necko wafers, Like my god, food must have sucked when

891
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 2: you were a kid. Necko wafers and horsehound candy, whatever

892
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: there is today. I walk into a gas station, man,

893
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: and I'm indodated with sugar, chocolate, peanut, butter, fruit flavors,

894
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: artificial and otherwise. It's amazing. Like food back then was terrible.

895
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 8: Well, okay, so you've got the context of what we

896
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 8: have now now if you go back in time, if

897
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 8: you were to go back in nineteen thirty two, for example,

898
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 8: you knew what you had in nineteen thirty two and

899
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 8: that was it. But I will say I agree with you,

900
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 8: this is amazing the access that we have to ingredients.

901
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 8: The speed with which we can get them and the

902
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 8: convenience which was with which we can get them is unbelievable.

903
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 8: And I'm pretty sure like the plus ups I applied

904
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 8: to these old rust spees, if someone from that era

905
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 8: came forward in times, it would probably blow their mind.

906
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 8: Like what do you need to collaborate in chili paste?

907
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: I know that's your thing when you when you do that,

908
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: you kind of use the sandwich up you called a

909
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: plus up for example. If I wanted a plus up

910
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: plus up a I don't know, a Crokemond shur for example,

911
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: what would you do?

912
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 8: I'd want something a little bit with spikes. I'd probably

913
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 8: do like a hot sauce or chili flakes, just to

914
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 8: come through the richness because it is pretty rich.

915
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I mean that's the thing is that I'll

916
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: have our little thing that we put add to it going.

917
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: I need to use this up a little bit. It's

918
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: not quite right. You do that pretty much every episode,

919
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: especially the ones where you're eating the I don't know

920
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: the hell little mixture. You really got to put some

921
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: You gotta put a lot of ketchup on that bad boy.

922
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's some that require two or three ingredients to

923
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 8: make it into something better.

924
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, exactly, all right, So in the book, you

925
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: have one egg. Guy, there's a couple of rest of

926
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: the cucumber tea sandwich. That sounds So that sounds so Victorian.

927
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's like from that era.

928
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, it's well, it's very light, and yeah, it's

929
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 8: it's I wanted to include different categories of sandwiches in

930
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 8: the cookbook, not just to have just sandwiches. So yeah,

931
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 8: I included that Matie snack sandwich section. And you know,

932
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 8: the idea behind the cookbook was I'd done. I've been

933
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 8: doing all these recipes and when you look at the

934
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 8: old recipes, they most of a lot of time they

935
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 8: don't give amount in the ingredients, or the balance is off,

936
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 8: like use two tablespoons of anchovy paste, no thank you.

937
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 8: Plus the recipes usually make like fifteen sandwiches and about you.

938
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 8: But I don't like dividing things by fifteen. So for

939
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 8: the book, what I did is I adapted the recipes.

940
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 8: I tested them so that they would make one sandwich,

941
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 8: put in the amounts, test to what the amount should be,

942
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 8: dialed back some, and just put together like a good

943
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 8: cross section of sandwiches and history. Both the International Club

944
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 8: Sandwiches just fun sandwiches, and included an original sandwich that

945
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 8: I created as well.

946
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: Oh god, well what sandwich is that? What do you

947
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: call that?

948
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 8: It's called the Dusty Nutter Goose. It was a a

949
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 8: friend of mine who develops role playing games was launching

950
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 8: one called Landavimi said hey, would you make a sandwich

951
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 8: and honor?

952
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 7: And I said sure.

953
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 8: So I put this together and it's gonna sound insane.

954
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 8: Okay if you think about the if you think about

955
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 8: the flavor profiles, it works. So frozen waffle, peanut butter, smoke,

956
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 8: duck breast and cherry pop rocks.

957
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: Whoa, I get the cherry and the duck breast. That

958
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: that works together? Calling our fronds. Yeah, you know what, Actually,

959
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: it's one of those things you like that this is

960
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: gonna be It's probably awesome.

961
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's well, I think it's I think it's a

962
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 8: lot of fun. I think those flavors definitely do work together.

963
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 8: I've had I've had that before and I thought it was, like,

964
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 8: you know, it's it's for kids who are buying a

965
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 8: role playing game. How do you make it fun? To

966
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 8: make the cherry pop rocks.

967
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: Where you getting your pop rocks supply from?

968
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: Dude?

969
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 8: Uh, well, I don't know. I just found uh at

970
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 8: a candy store okay here in Cleveland yesterday.

971
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: All right, nice, Yeah, it's that's kind of fun. I'm like, man,

972
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: I haven't seen pop rocks in a long time.

973
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 8: It's yeah, a specific gotcha, it's focused entirely on candy

974
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 8: because they're not at seven.

975
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: Eleven right right, Yeah, you don't have them there either,

976
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: not UDF anymore. Yeah, because you know, every kid would

977
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: get pop rocks and coke and try to kill themselves

978
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: and it never worked. Yeah, like Mike, yeah, right right,

979
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: just to your head. It doesn't make it doesn't make

980
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: your head explode.

981
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 5: It off.

982
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, I mentioned a cucumber tea sandwich

983
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: that fascinated What exact is it just cucumbers? Uh with

984
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: with like mayonnaise on them?

985
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 8: What?

986
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: What's are they? I just pictures there's a little tiny

987
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: slices of cucumber made in the sandwiches.

988
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you what, since they don't have a

989
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 8: memorize and I'll look it up.

990
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: Oh okay, damn, all right, I've heard that before though.

991
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: You kind of jogged my memories. Like you see like

992
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: the watercress sandwiches, and I don't even know what that is.

993
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, so the cucumber sandwich is just sliced thinly sliced

994
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 8: cucumber in between, with a little salt, pepper, lemon juice

995
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 8: in between, buttered bread. It's just meant it's like a

996
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 8: light snack. It's not meant to be like something like

997
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 8: here's your lunch. But you could make it into something

998
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 8: more substantial with like shamp or avocado to because those

999
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 8: will go well with those flavors. Gotchall so, but it's

1000
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 8: definitely a tea or a snack sandwich.

1001
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: I see a sandwich here called hot chicken a tuna,

1002
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: the hot chicken tuna sandwich. Is that just shredded chicken

1003
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: to be made like tuna? Or are we taking the

1004
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: sea and the foul and mixing them together?

1005
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 8: The hot chicken tuna sandwich, I remember correctly, that is

1006
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 8: from the seventies. Okay, let me take a look at that,

1007
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 8: because again I don't have these memorized.

1008
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: I got you, sorry for putting me on the spot here,

1009
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: Barry and Wick. I don't expect you to memorize ten

1010
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: thousand sandwiches you've done over the last number of years

1011
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: on Instagram. I get that I've turned this into like

1012
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 2: the sixty minutes of sandwiches for crying out loud.

1013
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 8: It's good. Yeah, you're holding my feet to the fire. Okay, good. Yeah.

1014
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 8: So it's uh boy, you mix. Yeah, you you basically

1015
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 8: mix together tuna, green belt pepper onion soup mix and

1016
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 8: cheddar cheese. Uh and you put that into in between

1017
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 8: bread and then you spoon on top of a mixture

1018
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 8: of uh uh chicken cream of chicken soup. It's got

1019
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 8: some herbs, you know, other than the then you bake it. Wow,

1020
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 8: and it's actually pretty tasty. You got a little skill

1021
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 8: peppery gun top, is it?

1022
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 5: Okay?

1023
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 8: That?

1024
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: Because that is like the most fifty sixty seventies conveniency

1025
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: crap I've ever heard. Right there, you're taking like.

1026
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, the original original seventy four. Yeah.

1027
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: So like I remember, like you hear like the Benny

1028
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: Crocker stuff like back in the day, and that's when

1029
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: women were coming there, and it's like, I don't know,

1030
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: I don't want. I'm not gonna go out and do

1031
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: laundrying in a in a creek somewhere and baked bread

1032
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: from scratch. I'm gonna die, you know what. I'm getting

1033
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: some drugs and I'm gonna watch TV, and I mean,

1034
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: here's a here's a TV dinner scurry.

1035
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 7: You know, go ahead, go ahead.

1036
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 8: I was gonna say, yeah, like seventy four was wild man,

1037
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 8: it was. It was the seventies were all about convenience

1038
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 8: and so it's cansa this, cans of that, for sure.

1039
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: He is Barry w Enderwick. Join him on ig at

1040
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: Sandwiches of History. It's the Sandwiches of History cookbook that's

1041
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: out right now, fascinating. He cooks a new sandwich every

1042
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: day and has done so for the last number of years. Barry,

1043
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning.

1044
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you, had a great time. Thanks for having me.

1045
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 2: All all right, if I have any breaking sandwich news

1046
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: in the world, I'm calling you first. You know this, right,

1047
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you on immediately.

1048
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 8: You got it, I'll get a red phone.

1049
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. See you, buddy, Take care of Barry

1050
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: w Nderwick on the Scott's Loan Show with my boy Sonjay.

1051
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: Next Scott's Loan seven hundred WW Thursday Morning, Scott's Loan

1052
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: show continues on seven hundred WLW. One of our newer

1053
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: features here is health, Wellness Fitness, and he is a

1054
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: er doctor and he pops in every Thursday morning. This time, Sanjay,

1055
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: good morning. How are you Jim Crimani of course in

1056
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: the studio this morning. How's life?

1057
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 5: Life is good? How's it treating you right now?

1058
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: Let's do it fine? How busy were you with the

1059
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: deep freeze slash deep snow we had?

1060
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 6: So?

1061
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 10: I yeah, I worked the whole weekend through the snow,

1062
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 10: had to trudge up both both there and back again,

1063
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 10: uphill both ways.

1064
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: If you were wondering, right, but it was, you know,

1065
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 2: the roads were rough.

1066
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 10: But once he got there, I think everyone else realized

1067
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 10: that too, and I saw very few patients. Wow, okay,

1068
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 10: it's unfortunately everyone was smart and stayed inside for the

1069
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 10: most part too.

1070
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: Damn col to go to work, let alone go outside

1071
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: and do stuff.

1072
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 8: It was.

1073
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 10: It was, but I'm glad, you know, people listened to

1074
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 10: the news and the warnings and everything because it showed

1075
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 10: even like, well, I was in Westchester, so I didn't

1076
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 10: see any Santacon Santas, but I'm I'm hoping they were

1077
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 10: all okay too.

1078
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder how many how many Santas were presenting downtown.

1079
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: It's right because because it's snowing, it's icy, it's cold,

1080
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: and you had alcohol to the mix and the big

1081
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: groups of people. I could only imagine the stories well.

1082
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 10: And the worst thing would be if you go in

1083
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 10: Saturday night because you're a Santa, and then you stay

1084
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 10: in the er all night and you're leaving Sunday morning

1085
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 10: still addressed as Sanna. Imagine that walk of shame.

1086
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a huge walk of shop. Yeah, right, exactly.

1087
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: I know you wanted to talk about New Year's resolutions

1088
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: or resolutions. People often first of the year kick it

1089
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: and go that's it, this is the year, this is

1090
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 2: I got all these resolutions. Would you say the top

1091
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: of the list one is getting healthier in twenty twenty

1092
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: six for people?

1093
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 5: Is that the big one?

1094
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1095
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 10: Most things usually have to do with getting healthy, whether

1096
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 10: it be working out more, eating better, and those are

1097
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 10: those are the two that really dominate it. But even

1098
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 10: you know, getting getting more social and spending more times

1099
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 10: with friends is another one, and then better money spending,

1100
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 10: they're all in there.

1101
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: You have a New Year's resolution for yourself.

1102
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 10: I have yet to think about it fully, I'm I

1103
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 10: do a little weird things so long because I used

1104
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 10: to do resolutions and they always failed, and you know,

1105
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 10: we'll talk about why that probably.

1106
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 5: Happened for me.

1107
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 10: But now I do have more of how do I

1108
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 10: want to be as opposed to where do I want

1109
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 10: to be? And so it's more about behaviors and actions

1110
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 10: for me. But that's just how I do it.

1111
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 8: What do you? What about you?

1112
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: I tend to set the bar very low, Like example,

1113
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: I set him to start smoking crack first of the year,

1114
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: and then if I if I don't do it, then

1115
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: it's like I feel like I've accomplished something. Yeah, well done. Yeah,

1116
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: hopefully hopefully you reach that goal. Yeah this year, I'm

1117
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna do I'm I'm gonna start smoking.

1118
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: My goal is to gain thirty pounds this year. And

1119
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: you're like, don't. It's like, because again, if you like,

1120
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: you're a high expectation guy, you're you're a learned physician,

1121
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: you're a healthy you know in a gym, you have

1122
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: all these things. I just set the bar and remerca

1123
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: so low and you can always hop over it.

1124
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 10: Well, you know, actually you're tapping into something they're slow

1125
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 10: because like maybe not thirty pounds, you know, in the

1126
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 10: year to gain, but but still, like setting the bar

1127
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 10: low is important, and I think that's where a lot

1128
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 10: of people get it wrong.

1129
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, the.

1130
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 11: Donja why why push yourself? You don't have tonna go

1131
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 11: too far. You're gonna fall off a cliff. But if

1132
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 11: you push yourself lightly, you may just stay on the

1133
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 11: edge and and continue to ramp up your life. Right right, Okay,

1134
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 11: you know this is the year. It's like, okay, ihe

1135
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 11: didn't rob a bank this year, don't I deserve something?

1136
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: I mean, much better than the last year?

1137
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 8: Right?

1138
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: Fantastic? Well, right, exactly. Yeah, And it's part of the

1139
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 2: problem though, Seriously, you set the bar so high. It's like, yeah,

1140
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: this is it. I'm gonna I'm gonna lose thirty pounds

1141
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna work out five days a week, and

1142
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm saying I'm gonna save a third of

1143
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: my income and like all these unreasonable, impossible goals.

1144
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 10: Oh, there's a few things there that you just named,

1145
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 10: so like use the and word. And so we oftentimes

1146
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 10: choose a lot of goals to start our year because

1147
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 10: we're ready and it's all in good faith and we

1148
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 10: mean to do well. But when you do too much

1149
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 10: and try to aim for too much, both with how

1150
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 10: many things you want to do and how much you

1151
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 10: want to do, you're setting yourself up for failure. So

1152
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 10: the better thing is choose one thing, choose one thing

1153
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 10: that you want to make better, and then don't rely

1154
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 10: on willpower alone. So a lot of us are just like,

1155
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 10: I'm just gonna, you know, be healthier this year and

1156
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 10: never eat anything fat for the next three hundred and

1157
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 10: sixty five days, and it's like it's not going to happen.

1158
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 10: And so those are the those are some of the

1159
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 10: early pitfalls we see as far as resolutions go. The

1160
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 10: other one being were oftentimes just very vague. I'm going

1161
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 10: to be healthier, what does that mean? And so it's

1162
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 10: it's actually tying that to what, you know, what what

1163
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 10: does this really look like to you? And it doesn't

1164
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 10: have to be I have to lose thirty pounds and

1165
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 10: I have to do this, and I have to do this,

1166
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 10: just just one thing, you know, And then it's the

1167
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 10: how you want to do it, so like the specific

1168
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 10: behaviors you want to do. And then I always like

1169
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 10: thinking about the why, so the what, the how, the

1170
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 10: why and really why not just because I want to

1171
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 10: be healthier. It's like, well, why do I want to

1172
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 10: be healthier? Well, I want to move a little bit better.

1173
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 10: Why do I want to move better?

1174
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 6: Well?

1175
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 10: I want to be better for my children, so I

1176
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 10: can play with them till I'm ninety five. And now

1177
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 10: we're getting to the emotional stuff that will actually drive

1178
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 10: you interesting.

1179
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: Okay, So find an emotion component of just like, hey,

1180
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: I want to loose go out because i'm you know,

1181
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: I want my clothes to fit better. But there's their

1182
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: self esteem issues there as well. Typically it's diet, exercise.

1183
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: Maybe finance is coming to play here as well. But

1184
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: you can only do so much, as the bottom line,

1185
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: only do so much, and like, you know, give yourself

1186
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: some grace. There's a reason that everyone fails their New

1187
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: Year's resolution. Ninety percent of people do not follow through

1188
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: on the New year's resolutions. But it's not because the

1189
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: goals are bad, right, It's because the systems aren't, you know,

1190
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: great for you. It's like Einstein's thing of you know,

1191
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: the definition of insanity is doing the same thing the

1192
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: same way over and over again and expecting different results, right,

1193
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 2: You got to change the system if you want to

1194
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: get results. It's not you're not You're not shooting poorly,

1195
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: you're just you know, able to continue that matterphor you

1196
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: know the basketball the baskets just said at the wrong height,

1197
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: all right, relative to that, you have reasonable exotiations going in.

1198
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 2: I get that. But the failure rate is always so

1199
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: damn high. That's that's part. But how long does it

1200
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: take to establish because you if you're going to do it,

1201
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 2: you got to make a comitment. And how long before

1202
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 2: it becomes a habit, a good habit.

1203
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 10: So really, if you want to at least start and

1204
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 10: start the wheels really turning on their own, it starts

1205
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 10: with the first twenty one days. Yeah, if you can

1206
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 10: get past the first twenty one days, your chances are

1207
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 10: much higher. Suddenly, quitting day in January, that'll be the

1208
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 10: second Friday in January. That's when most people's resolutions fail.

1209
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 5: It goes away.

1210
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 10: You're heading into the second week end of the year.

1211
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 10: The steam kind of runs out, and so it is

1212
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 10: your willpower.

1213
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: The newness of the whole thing is like, I'm going

1214
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: to be sore again tomorrow, and I think you know

1215
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 2: when it comes to exercise, and that's your specialty, that soreness.

1216
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 2: It takes a while before it turns into a good soreness.

1217
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: You know, what I'm saying is initially your overwhelmed maneuver,

1218
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: because you know you're lengthening your tendons before muscles get them.

1219
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: You're not seeing any progress. It's awfully difficult. You're sore

1220
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 2: for a while. How long does that last? If you're

1221
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: looking to do a fitness.

1222
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 10: Routeam that soreness will get better over you know, the

1223
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 10: first three months. So we say it revive, which is

1224
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 10: my gym, give us three months, give us three months

1225
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 10: so that you see results. After one month, you're going

1226
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 10: to be feeling better. After three months you're going to

1227
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 10: start really seeing it and feeling it. And so we

1228
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 10: aim for that, and we ask for that dedication from

1229
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 10: our clients to give us that and also give it

1230
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 10: to themselves of one, giving themselves grace, but also giving

1231
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 10: you know, giving us the faith that they're in it.

1232
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 10: And in three months we'll see and we promise, yeah.

1233
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: Twenty one days though it's like, Okay, I get through

1234
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: the first twenty one days. It's a habit now. But

1235
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: it's awfully difficult. And this is why exercise sucks. It's

1236
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: because when you first start, you know, we've been doing

1237
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: it for a while, but when you first start, man,

1238
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: that soreness is real and it's persistent. You just got

1239
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: to got to fight through that pain.

1240
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 10: It's painful. But no, also, no, if you're going to start,

1241
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 10: you know, exercising this year, No, it's universal.

1242
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 5: You're not alone.

1243
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 10: This happens to everyone, and it's a question. That's when

1244
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 10: I kind of dig into that why well, why am

1245
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 10: I doing this?

1246
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 5: Okay?

1247
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 10: And that sometimes that emotion battles that pain emotion and

1248
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 10: wins out. And that's what I hope for almost every

1249
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 10: time I go to the gym, because I will say

1250
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 10: that I still have a lot of inertia when it

1251
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 10: comes to the gym, but I say, you know, this

1252
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 10: is for my own betterment so that I can serve

1253
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 10: other people better. And that's why I hit the gym.

1254
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 10: Everyone's going to have their own reasons, right. I want

1255
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 10: to feel my best so I can be my best.

1256
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 7: For the people.

1257
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: Typically, also, folks go in without a plan when it

1258
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: comes to that, and it doesn't have to be you know,

1259
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: and it's age appropriate Now, the younger you start, the

1260
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: better off it is. You heal faster, you recover, and

1261
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: now you build a pattern for life. But if you

1262
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: is it too late in your fifties and sixties? Never

1263
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: I started.

1264
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 10: I mean this may sound young and relative to the

1265
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 10: numbers you just gave, but I started when I was

1266
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 10: thirty eight. I was completely out of shape at that

1267
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 10: point and I started them. But we have a ton

1268
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 10: of people coming to the gym when they're sixties, seventies

1269
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 10: even and just want to feel better, and so it's

1270
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 10: never too late. It's but to your point of not

1271
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 10: having a plan as a problem, and so that's the

1272
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 10: importance of potentially having a coach. I mean, if you

1273
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 10: don't have the money for a coach, though chatchypt is free,

1274
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 10: what you could do just throw something into AI and say,

1275
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 10: I want to have a sustainable habit to get more

1276
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 10: fit this year with strength training. Can you devise something

1277
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 10: with some habits that I can do this year to

1278
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 10: feel better and that you know, let AI go for it.

1279
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: And be as specific as you want.

1280
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 10: I'm doing this because I want to lift up my grandchildren,

1281
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 10: and can you devise a plan for me?

1282
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: And AI will do that for you and you can

1283
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: even factor and it's like, oh, also, by the way,

1284
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: I had my shoulder replaced and my left knee is bad,

1285
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: and can you and they'll they'll build in alternatives and

1286
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: different mechanisms for you to get to reach your goal.

1287
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: It's really cool. It is cool.

1288
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 5: So you have that.

1289
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 10: I mean, I do prefer in person. And that was

1290
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,479
Speaker 10: one of the biggest reasons I got a coach seven

1291
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 10: years ago, was have accountability. And this there's actually it shows.

1292
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 10: So if you write down a goal, it'll increase your

1293
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 10: chance of following through on your promise to yourself by

1294
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Speaker 10: like fifty percent. If you tell someone about it, it's

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Speaker 10: about a two thirds increase. So you're like, it's you know,

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Speaker 10: sixty seven percent more likely. But if you actually have

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Speaker 10: an accountability person, whether it be a coach that you

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Speaker 10: have to go to, someone you check in with, a

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Speaker 10: class that you sign up for, if you if you

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00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 10: have to do something for something else, it's about ninety

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Speaker 10: five percent. So if you if you have a coach,

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Speaker 10: you're you're setting yourself up because you know, if you

1303
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 10: do devise your own plan with AI uh, there's there's

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00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 10: a chance you'll succeed. But having a person that you're

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00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 10: a smart, you know, accountable to really helped. But you

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00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 10: can also you know, and again YouTube is a great

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00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 10: to learn how to do the exerciy And that's the thing.

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00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 10: Form is and function that's very you can get seriously

1309
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 10: hurt right if you're not doing it right or you

1310
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 10: think you know what you're doing, because you're still the

1311
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 10: amount of people walk into a gym and go okay,

1312
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 10: I got my gym membership and there's yeah, you're not

1313
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 10: thinking the results you want. You're also a chance you're

1314
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 10: gonna get hurt too as well, and you have to

1315
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 10: come up with a plan. It's so easy to do

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00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 10: it now with chat, GPT and YouTube you can learn

1317
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Speaker 10: how to do the exercises correctly. Sign Jay shape Cremani

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00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 10: our doctor and fitness guy in the Scotland show Pops

1319
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 10: in every Thursday morning. We're talking about New Year's resolutions

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00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 10: and fitness probably at the top of the list. Fitness

1321
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 10: and finance is probably the big two for people. We

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Speaker 10: can only do one thing. We're not talking money with

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Speaker 10: Sanja here. What about picking an actual gym?

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Speaker 2: Now you say okay, you guys offer personal training and

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00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: coaching and that's going to be more expensive. There's gyms

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00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: out there you can get like ten bucks a month. Right,

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Speaker 2: If that's you and you're like, Okay, I want to

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00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: do something or just go out and so walking whatever

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00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: it might be, let's talk about that, Jim. What do

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Speaker 2: you look for in a program or a gym? What

1331
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: should someone going the first time? What should I look for?

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Speaker 5: So it really depends what your goals are.

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Speaker 10: If you're well versed in exercise and you just want

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00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 10: a place to lift weights and do stuff, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 10: a Planet Fitness or a you know, group gym is fine.

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Speaker 10: CrossFit for those that are younger and want to do

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Speaker 10: that kind of thing, Yeah, there is the operative there.

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Speaker 10: I mean there are certainly people they are older, but

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00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 10: you have to have some experience in that if you're

1340
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 10: going to be in your forties and fifties. Unless it's

1341
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 10: a CrossFit gym that does more attention, it's you know,

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Speaker 10: the reason we built an individualized training gym where everyone

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Speaker 10: gets their own program is we see that everyone's different.

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Speaker 10: Everyone has their own goals, and everybody needs a different

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Speaker 10: sort of degree of attention, and everyone has different motivations.

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Speaker 10: So we see the habits play out in real life

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01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 10: and like we lean into that. So I mean it's

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Speaker 10: a complicated question. I'll tell you that like the bigger

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Speaker 10: gyms name names, but the huge gyms they rely on

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01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 10: people just to sign up. If you're paying ten bucks

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01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 10: a month, if all of their people came in, they

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01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 10: would have trouble. They rely on people signing up and

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01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 10: probably quitting by the second February, still in January and

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01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 10: still paying. I would recommend going to a place that

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Speaker 10: you want to keep coming back to, and that's what

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Speaker 10: I would look for, you know, the vibe for lack

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01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 10: of a better term, but also the workouts and the

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01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 10: gains you're getting, and so things are going to be

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Speaker 10: built differently to what you want. You know, there's there're

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Speaker 10: a running programs out there if you just want to run,

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Speaker 10: But what we also know is strenth training is important

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Speaker 10: for running. So you want to do both. And so

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Speaker 10: it really depends on the people that surround you. The

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Speaker 10: carry you get, and how much attention you need. I'd

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Speaker 10: say are the most important along with your goal specifically,

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Speaker 10: and if that if that gym you know, focuses on that.

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Speaker 2: Also if you're new to gym, wipe it down. If

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Speaker 2: you touch it, and also put your damn white to it.

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Speaker 2: Rack your whites, would you please, please? Thank you please?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: And also the good look too. I think you carry

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Speaker 2: around a giant duffel bag that could carry human in it.

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Speaker 2: Drag it around on the floor, get some powder for

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01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: your hands, spread that all over the place. And you

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01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: also need a gallon jugg of water to carry with you.

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Speaker 2: Those are the three big things.

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Speaker 10: Don't forget your selfie stick so that you can film

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Speaker 10: every moment right.

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Speaker 2: Right right now. All bring luggage with them in a

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Speaker 2: gym is like, what do you have in this giant bag?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It does clear a room though, So if they're just

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Speaker 2: looking for a space, good for you. The people that

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Speaker 2: bring the more stuff they bring with them, like supplies

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Speaker 2: and big you know, you can get a court bottle

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Speaker 2: and fill the four times. Yeah, I'm not good at math,

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Speaker 2: but I know that much. It's like the more stuff

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Speaker 2: they bring with the less work. It seems like they

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Speaker 2: actually do right well.

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Speaker 10: I mean, they're just preparing for the apocalypse and so

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Speaker 10: if that comes, they'll be good to go.

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Speaker 2: Scares people away too good. And I will point out

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Speaker 2: in closing her because I know we got to go again,

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Speaker 2: age appropriate, right, So you're not going to try to

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01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: put up to twenty five thirty times if you're sixty,

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: you want to try to build up there in your twenties, thirties,

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Speaker 2: maybe forties. But like at my age now, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to closer to six to ozho than I am five zero.

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Speaker 2: It's more about functional strength and flexibility for me now.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, again, you know, the most important things if you're

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01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 10: going to start something new is start small, and you know,

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Speaker 10: start specific age appropriate for you, and eventually the games

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01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 10: will come. But also what the final thing will be

1404
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 10: is reward yourself, even if it's kind of like if

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01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 10: you've decided to do two push ups a day and

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Speaker 10: that's it, give yourself a literal pat on the back

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Speaker 10: after you do your two push ups. Your body loves

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Speaker 10: to be rewarded. We are simple creatures at the end

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Speaker 10: of the day, and if we reward ourselves, even if

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 10: it feels dumb, reward yourself. Maybe not with a cheesecake,

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Speaker 10: you know, after doing two push ups, Yeah, pat yourself

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Speaker 10: on the back.

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Speaker 2: Easy part is if you keep that up to push

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Speaker 2: ups and you push yourself for three months, you're going

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Speaker 2: to be absolutely in away through the progress you made

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Speaker 2: in ninety days. Sign J Shafercrimani. He's our resident eer

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Speaker 2: doctor and of course uh fitness and food guy here

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Speaker 2: on the Scots Slunchire Thursday mornings. Have a great holiday, man,

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Speaker 2: and we won't see each other till after the first

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Speaker 2: of the year. I think right sounds great. Appreciate it, Sam,

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Speaker 2: Thanks again, Sloaney seven hundred WW. You want to be

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Speaker 2: in a Manican he's got flown out seven hundred w

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01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: LW buried in the news and quite a bit of

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Speaker 2: news for us. The allegedly slow cycle right. More domestic

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Speaker 2: terrorism aplot dis erupted. FBI arrested four people as part

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Speaker 2: of a radical pro Palestini extremist group, arrested for planning

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Speaker 2: an attack on New Year's Even Los Angeles. They caught

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Speaker 2: them with IEDs that they're making complex pipe bombs with

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Speaker 2: The FBI said they're going to target five separate locations

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Speaker 2: on Christmas Eve if across the Los Angeles, including two

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Speaker 2: big US companies as well as ice agent's vehicle and

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Speaker 2: the like. And so if you look at domestic terrorism,

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Speaker 2: you know, in our lifetime, if you're a little bit

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01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: older anyway, you call terrorism from abroad right nine to eleven,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. And we are clearly in the age of

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Speaker 2: domestic terrorism. Over the last ten years, investigations have grown

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Speaker 2: over three hundred and fifty percent, and in that time period,

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Speaker 2: investing open investigations, meaning there's probable cause more than quadrupled.

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Speaker 2: Mark Nzilaco's here. He is a former director of the

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Speaker 2: International Studies Program at the University of Dayton, also founder

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Speaker 2: the Human Rights Studies Program there. Mark, Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 7: How are you fine.

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01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine.

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01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For those who you know, we're worried about foreign terrorism,

1447
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: it's domestic terrorism. It's been the story of the narrative

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Speaker 2: for a lot longer than that. What do we know

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Speaker 2: about this group, the Turtle Island Liberation Front, the TILF.

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Speaker 2: It sounds almost like a I don't know, a Clancy novel, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean that kind of name alone strikes me as

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Speaker 2: Turtle Island Liberation Front, very left wing, very terroristic group.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I had that one wasn't on my radar because

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01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 6: it's it's small, and you're correct, the name, the Turtle

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Speaker 6: Islands Freedom Front. It doesn't inspire, you know, it sounds like,

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Speaker 6: you know, I don't know, vacation spot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and seems from what I thought about the explosives

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01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 6: that there was they had gone to the desert that

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Speaker 6: brought precursor chemicals, uh to make either them all multile

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Speaker 6: cocktails or id. They did not seem to be sophisticated,

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Speaker 6: very sophisticated explosive devices. I don't want to downplay them

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Speaker 6: at all, but they don't seem like the truck bombs

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Speaker 6: of you know, uh uh, you know the truck bombs

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Speaker 6: of Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 2: They were just basic black powder, weren't they.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And you know, their their operational securities not very good.

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Speaker 6: The f I can track them complain things, and I don't,

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Speaker 6: but I don't want to just mean, don't diminish the threat.

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Speaker 6: We thought for a decade or so that the rise

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Speaker 6: of sort of neo Nazi type right wing extremists, anti government,

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Speaker 6: anti immigrant, antisemitic groups. But no, the left wing groups

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Speaker 6: is still out there, particularly after Hamas launched this homicidal attack.

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Speaker 6: It's genocidal attack from Gaza. There's been increases of antistemic

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Speaker 6: violence threats. Hell, we had firebomb on the mayor, the

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Speaker 6: governor of Pennsylvania. So yeah, the threat of wrestling extreament

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Speaker 6: has always been out there. It's incredible you said it

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Speaker 6: this last time I was on your program. Step When

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Speaker 6: you look at the number of.

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Speaker 7: People, the percentage in the thirties.

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Speaker 6: Who believe that political violence is justifiable and this is

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Speaker 6: a time for political lives, I think that's thirty percent

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Speaker 6: of the population thinking about using violence to settle political grievances.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing we got in that era, and so with

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Speaker 2: this TLF group that their ideology is basically free Palestine,

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01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 2: free Hawaii, free Puerto Rico, and free the world from

1489
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: American imperialism. By blowing up targets in Los Angeles, one

1490
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 2: just scratches their head. Is someone outside this going hot?

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01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 2: How do you connect all those dusts together to the point, well,

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Speaker 2: we're going to free Hawaii, which is a state, free

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01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: Puerto Rico by blowing up Los Angeles. You just wonder

1494
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 2: what kind of world these people live in. And that's

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01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: a scary part. Is there a when they investigate these people?

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Speaker 2: Is there a mental component to this thing? Because it

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Speaker 2: sounds crazy.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's very difficult to understand the causes of it.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 6: I believed for a very long time that ideas and

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01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 6: ideologies are behind the violence. You know that the lies

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01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 6: can kill, whether they're coming from the propaganda's coming from

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01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 6: the left or the right. But you're seeing something about

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Speaker 6: many of the perpetrators. People are a wrestler or people

1505
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 6: commit these crimes are they're socially isolated, they're narcissistic, and

1506
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 6: they're rehilistic.

1507
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 7: They didn't believe in nothing.

1508
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 6: And but and there's some joy they can get some

1509
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:19,560
Speaker 6: sense of personal satisfaction they derive from belonging to some

1510
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 6: organization a Total Island Liberation Front. I mean, for christ sakes,

1511
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 6: it gives gives one a sense of purpose, a sense

1512
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 6: of meaning, and and and and so it's a deep

1513
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 6: psychological and sociological problem that those of us who study

1514
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 6: domestic terrorism are trying to understand and trying to come

1515
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 6: to terms with.

1516
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you Markin's lucky. You put these people

1517
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: out there and give them a browser, uh, and they

1518
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 2: find each other. And that that really is the problem

1519
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: that's are seeing a rise in all this because now

1520
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 2: you may have the most crazy views in the world

1521
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: about stuff, whether it's terrorism, whether it's I don't know,

1522
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: sexual proclivities, anything like that. You can find kindred spirits

1523
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: online and form a group.

1524
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, certainly true.

1525
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 6: You know when you see these these small little groups

1526
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 6: that are very amateuristic, right, that scares me.

1527
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 7: It worries me deeply.

1528
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 6: But you talk about communicating to one another, I'd rather

1529
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 6: have a conspiracy of five, six, seven people because the

1530
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,919
Speaker 6: more people are involved in conspiracy, more likely the authorities

1531
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 6: can discover it. What really terrifies me is the true

1532
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 6: lone wolf. Whether they're inspired by isis like these people

1533
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 6: in Australia, or inspired by something else, they act alone,

1534
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 6: and the radicalization is is deep. It's linked to psychological

1535
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 6: issues as well. They come from me, to come from

1536
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 6: dysfunctional families, and that is a phenomenon that's very difficult

1537
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 6: for us to monitor, particularly in the society like ours

1538
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 6: that believes in you know, freedom, so civil liberties. So

1539
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 6: we're you know, body Beach scares the.

1540
01:09:58,800 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 7: Heck out of me.

1541
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 6: We we had that right in twenty eighteen, right the

1542
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 6: Tree of Life in Pittsburgh eleven dead by a lone person,

1543
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 6: Robert Power. So what we just saw linked to a

1544
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 6: Helica celebration is to people myself monitor this very very disconcerting.

1545
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 7: Very frightening.

1546
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doctor Mark Anziolaco, University of Dayon, former International

1547
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 2: Studies program director, also a founder Human Rights Studies program,

1548
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 2: expert in political terrorism. And as we're talking about today

1549
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 2: with the thwarted plot in Los Angeles New Year's Eve,

1550
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: five separate locations in LA targeted by this Turtle Island

1551
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: Liberation Front groom, extreme left wing group. We're making IEDs

1552
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: in the desert or stopped by the FBI because of

1553
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: the work of a confidential inflorment. Of course, you know,

1554
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 2: we just had the Bondi Beach shooting, the massacre there,

1555
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 2: and we talk about domestic terrorism this morning, which has

1556
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 2: been a concern now for the past decade and a

1557
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: half at least. We've gone from international terrorism to domestic

1558
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: terrorism now. And for the reasons we've just described, this

1559
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 2: group plan mark to attack corporate targets two US companies

1560
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 2: opposed to like government buildings. And you know, obviously the

1561
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 2: ICE was involved in this too as well. It's not

1562
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: solely based on corporate targets as well, but attacking capitalist

1563
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: infrastructure rather than people. Are they following like is that indicay,

1564
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: Like they're following a specific playbook here or they just

1565
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 2: determined that these two s companies, for whatever reason, were

1566
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 2: easier targets. Or take us through what you think might

1567
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 2: the selection process might be.

1568
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 6: Well, this is very similar to the domestic terrorism in

1569
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 6: the nineteen seventies, which was driven by the left right.

1570
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 6: So you had the weather underground, the weather man organizations

1571
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 6: like this. Remember they blew up a townhouse in Manhattan

1572
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 6: when they're making a bomb and malfunction and it was

1573
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 6: killed in next Dustin's. Dustin Hoffman's apartment was right next

1574
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 6: to the So these people were out there. So they

1575
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 6: had this crazy ideology that capitalism. They're Marxists, right, So

1576
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 6: capitalism is the root of all evil, and that means

1577
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 6: corporate capitalism, and so you turn corporations and the letter

1578
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 6: bombs were sent to major corporations, and of course symbols

1579
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 6: of American imperialism, the military, right, the Pentagon, your bomb,

1580
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 6: the Penttheon. I remember having a conversation with Bernard A.

1581
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 6: Dorn was convicted of planting a bomb at the Pentegon

1582
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 6: to get into her ideology.

1583
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 7: So there was this crazy idea.

1584
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 6: You know, you said a minute ago, how do you

1585
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 6: link free Puerto Rico to free to liberally what they can.

1586
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 7: Their ideology is such.

1587
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 6: They can for us, it takes leaps and bounds to

1588
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 6: move from one idea to the other. That they all

1589
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 6: blown together, so that I'm worried about. You know, we

1590
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 6: saw a while back the alone individual shoots to Dad

1591
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 6: Healthcare CEO in New York. Because you're striking a blow.

1592
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 6: You're striking a blow for the revolution. The language, you know,

1593
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 6: I study of their language. You know these are crimes,

1594
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 6: these are revolutionary acts, right or they're armed propaganda. I

1595
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 6: mean they've they've got a vocabulary, an entire glossary of

1596
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 6: ideas that justify violence. And you read their their, their their,

1597
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 6: there's statements right there. They're community case, they're absurd, they're ridiculous.

1598
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 6: But yeah, you know, for a long time, if I

1599
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 6: talked about this several times, the threat has been on

1600
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 6: the right, the anti Semitic groups and neo Nazi groups,

1601
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 6: the anti immigration groups. But hey, lefs still out there,

1602
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 6: and there's reasons to strike a blow for the revolutionism.

1603
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 2: Do we see do we see the pendulum swing in

1604
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: these times? Mark Ensilaco in that when you have a

1605
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 2: democrat or democrats solgic control of the government, uh, that

1606
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 2: you start to see arise on the right of domestic terrorism,

1607
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 2: and conversely, when it appears Republicans control everything, those on

1608
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 2: the left rise up.

1609
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good, workable hypothesis, and it's not quite

1610
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 6: as simple as that, but yeah, I mean when, for example,

1611
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 6: when Barack Obama was elected I heard African American was

1612
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:14,839
Speaker 6: elected president.

1613
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 7: Uh, you saw a.

1614
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 6: Rapid increase in the numbers of individuals who joined either

1615
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 6: anti Semitic groups, no Nazi groups or whatever. So there

1616
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 6: was that reaction to the sort of unpresident thing of

1617
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 6: an African American becoming uh remember the brother lie right,

1618
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 6: the birther stuff, he's false, right, Yeah, So that that

1619
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 6: that narrative provides the basis.

1620
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 7: For a justification of the violent tacts. So yes, I mainly.

1621
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 5: How to put this, I.

1622
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 6: Think we're not seeing a real number increase the number

1623
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 6: of left wing groups, but it's it's quite possible. It's

1624
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 6: quite most of the violence lately has.

1625
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 2: Been has been on the right right, Yeah, and maybe

1626
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: it is because of that's starting to go the other

1627
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 2: way and both those groups on the right and left

1628
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 2: can touch hands because of their unhinged beliefs and whatever.

1629
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 2: Vilification isn't that comes from the candidates and politics too,

1630
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 2: party system as well. Is your job is to vilify

1631
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: the other side, and then there are people on the

1632
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: extremes and the margins that take that to an extreme level,

1633
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 2: and they just continue to fuel it when they talk

1634
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 2: about you know, you know, attacking or killing your opponents.

1635
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 2: The other thing going to hear too, Mark, I wanted

1636
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: to bring this up is most speaking of terrorism, Trump

1637
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: just designated Venezuela a foreign terrorist organization and ordered a

1638
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 2: blockade of all US anction oil tanker service in the country.

1639
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: Kind of an escalation in this to a degree in

1640
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 2: Venezuela just came out of the blue as to the

1641
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: threat that they pose. And I think what is clearly

1642
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: what's going on here, and tell me if I'm wrong,

1643
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 2: is that the pretext is drugs. Because we all hate

1644
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,480
Speaker 2: drugs or anti drug we foreign drugs, ventanyls killing our society,

1645
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: it's universally condemned. We target drug boats first. That provides

1646
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 2: our on political and military cover because you know, administrations

1647
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: have found broad public support for actions against drug traffickers

1648
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,560
Speaker 2: and drug dealers. And so now we've moved to the

1649
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 2: oil confiscation control part, which was probably the whole reason

1650
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 2: we did this in the first place.

1651
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 6: True, Well, this Venezuelan situation is puzzling and it's worrisome.

1652
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 6: You know, the war on drugs, Yeah, Sentinel is killing

1653
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 6: Americans by the thousands, and yet the President United States

1654
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 6: pardons the former president Honduras who had turned Honduras into

1655
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 6: an arco state.

1656
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's inexplicable to me.

1657
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 6: Americans need to play attention to what's going to slow

1658
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 6: burn in Venezuela, particularly MAGA supporters who sincerely wanted the

1659
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 6: United States out of endless wars. Well, it looks like

1660
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 6: the President's dragging us into a regional war. Now, granted,

1661
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 6: Venezuela won't take along the over throw off the Marines land,

1662
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 6: but the naval, the military build up is incredible.

1663
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 7: And you know, look, we will give you a piece

1664
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 7: of news that was buried the sky.

1665
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 6: A blue a jet, a passenger jet, was flying from

1666
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 6: Corsaw to New York and US Air Force fuel refueling

1667
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 6: tanker cut it off with the m two miles over

1668
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 6: twenty seconds from mirror collision. But the plane had its

1669
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,560
Speaker 6: transponder off and wasn't pinged. It was involved in a

1670
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 6: clandestine operation military so when you nearly had a mid

1671
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 6: air collision related to remember president said a few weeks

1672
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 6: ago that airlines should consider the airspace in Venezuela's off

1673
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 6: limits as too dangerous. I mean, what's going on is.

1674
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 7: Something that needs to be paid attention to. Yeah, but.

1675
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 6: Clearly the oil is meant to bring pressure on Cuba

1676
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 6: and around.

1677
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 7: In North Korea too.

1678
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 6: So on the one hand, you got the shootings of

1679
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 6: the boats, get the boat singings. Three more well, in

1680
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 6: the last few days, three more boats were blown up

1681
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 6: by our aircraft. But now so there's that that's one drugs,

1682
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 6: but the rest of the President's action seemed to be

1683
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 6: mean to destabilized to overthrow Maduro. So Americans need to

1684
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 6: pay attention and decide we want to go in this direction.

1685
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 6: And then you know, there's a lot of people pay

1686
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 6: much attention to it. But the whole issue over war

1687
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 6: crimes in that double tap the first of September, our

1688
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 6: destruction of the one boat, where there's a second strike

1689
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:47,879
Speaker 6: twenty minutes later killed two and the Secretary of Defense,

1690
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,799
Speaker 6: I won't say secretary of war, Secretary of Defense refused

1691
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 6: to release the raw footage of that. Yeah, So there

1692
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 6: are things that really Americans, You and I have seen

1693
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 6: the ebbs and flow of America politics. Recognize the importance

1694
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 6: of our institutions and their principles and our norms and

1695
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 6: and those are a thread.

1696
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 2: But that's the danger of the times in which you're in,

1697
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 2: because you know, if you pledge allegiance to as opposed

1698
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 2: to the Constitution, it's one individual in this case, Donald Trump.

1699
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: And if you criticize that, say, you know, you're thrown

1700
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: out of the collective herd or somehow you're seen as

1701
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 2: an enemy. But you know, the real problem here is

1702
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 2: just ignoring the Constitution exists for a reason, it's got

1703
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: us thus far. That's probably what we should be looking at. Nonetheless, Yeah,

1704
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 2: final point, go ahead, Mark.

1705
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 6: Well, you know, back to the earlier point you made

1706
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 6: with the rise of the left, that was a bit

1707
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 6: of a surprise. We knew the right was acting, but

1708
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 6: I sort of I did imagine that the left would

1709
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 6: radicalize because I believe we've got three more years of

1710
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 6: Trump absolutely, and other people believe he's just joying the Constitution.

1711
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 6: He's an insipid autocrat, he's pro poutent, et cetera, et cetera.

1712
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 6: If you believe that the President is really the danger.

1713
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 6: That's that's that's a recipe for.

1714
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've dehumanized and made the made the you know,

1715
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: the figurehead. He's the problem, and he's he's going to

1716
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: destroy both sides said that destroying America. People like this.

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 2: Hear that in this Turtle Island Literation front, and they're

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01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 2: going to take that to an extreme. He's doctor Markan,

1719
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 2: Silaco University, Dayton political terrorism expert. Mark always enjoyed the convo.

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01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 2: Thanks again, Happy holidays. You all right, take care. Let

1721
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 2: me get a time out in. We're running light. We

1722
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 2: got to get some news in. We got weather moving in.

1723
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 2: We had fifty below zero and six inches of snow

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01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago. Now we got all the

1725
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 2: snow melting and warm and it's gonna rain. That's gonna

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01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 2: turn icy again. Welcome to Cincinnati, Baby seven out er

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Speaker 2: w W.

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01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 7: The buying selling of homes.

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01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 5: He's in footing, timid or meek.

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01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: The real estate world can be a vicious jungle, playing

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01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: with dangers and pitfalls. Thank god, we've got Remax time

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01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: agent Michelle Sloan, a fearless real tour of Sloan sells

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01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: homes dot Com and the Queen of the real Estate Jungle.

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01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: It's real Estate Time, which Michelle Sloane on seven hundred

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01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: Galla Well Jelly, our.

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01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,759
Speaker 2: Last segment of twenty twenty five for US last segment, Martin,

1737
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: how are you hey?

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01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 12: I'm good. I guess you know somebody My neighbor yesday,

1739
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 12: our neighbor yesterday. He reminded me that next week is Christmas.

1740
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 12: I had no idea. I'm like, no, it's in two weeks, right, No, No, today,

1741
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 12: today's eighteenth, I think, And then she added a couple

1742
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 12: more days.

1743
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: It's close to one week from today. Michelle, dang, I

1744
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 2: better get on it.

1745
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 12: Maybe I need to stop at Walgreens or Low's or.

1746
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's what I mean. It's a Walgreens Christmas.

1747
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 12: Well, we've had those before.

1748
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 2: I know all believe me.

1749
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 6: I know.

1750
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 2: You real nice clerk. That's usually the way it is.

1751
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny because you you do a lot

1752
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 2: of things wonderfully, but you are the worst gift giver.

1753
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I've done some really nice gift I shouldn't

1754
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 2: say that. There's been some just mind blowing gifts you've gotten.

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01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 6: There.

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01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: You just I think you just get in your own

1757
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: head and then you can't make a decision and then

1758
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: ultimately you wind up buying beef jerky at speedway.

1759
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 5: Yeah do you like jerky?

1760
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 8: Right?

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01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, sure, who doesn't like beef jerky? And lottery

1762
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 2: and scratch offs?

1763
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 12: Oh, scratch off? Actually, scratch off. That's a good one.

1764
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 12: That's a good one that I got to send some

1765
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 12: of those to my dad.

1766
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,520
Speaker 7: I think we have enough degenerator.

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01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves scratch off stuff. That's it's pretty funny.

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01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: The gift giving is that is definitely not your Usually,

1770
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 2: you know, guys and relationships, when you look at the

1771
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: woman and go, okay, we need a good gift here,

1772
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 2: and you come up with something killer. You don't have

1773
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 2: that you don't have that to your to that point,

1774
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 2: the gene that you don't have. As a matter of fact,

1775
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 2: you just gifted me the other day. You were finally

1776
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 2: out because you know, your knee surge and stuff like that,

1777
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 2: and you brought back a dessert. You're like, wow, I

1778
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: saw this and I got dessert for us great. And

1779
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 2: I went to have my dessert and there was just

1780
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: crumbs left. So even when you give a gift, you

1781
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: take it back.

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01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 12: We were a blue ass chili and I was paying

1783
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 12: the bill.

1784
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 6: That was good, yep.

1785
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 12: And of course they have the nice all of the

1786
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 12: sweets and the cakes and the pies, and I'm like, oh,

1787
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 12: that coconut cake looks so good. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1788
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 12: have a piece of that.

1789
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 7: It's a little piece for me.

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01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 12: And then I'm gonna get you because you like cheesecake.

1791
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 12: So I'm gonna get Scott a cheesecake. And he's like,

1792
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 12: what are you doing. I'm like, no, but I got

1793
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 12: a little crump forest for later. So you saw the

1794
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 12: the of course you saw the cake and you're like, oh,

1795
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 12: I like that. Shoot, I said what about this? I

1796
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 12: got this one for you. So well, I don't really

1797
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 12: like cheesecake with all that extra stuff.

1798
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of different caramel and nuts, and I

1799
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 2: just playing cheesecakes. However, I'm like, oh, okay, I'll have it.

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01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 2: Maybe you know I wasn't feeling it. Well you know what,

1801
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 2: next day I go. Yeah, next day I go in

1802
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 2: there and everything's gone.

1803
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 12: I left you.

1804
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 2: She left me a bite of No, I only had

1805
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: a bite of it. I'm like, yeah, god, zella sized

1806
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 2: bite taking out whole cities.

1807
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 12: Damn, Hey, you know what. I've been at home. The

1808
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 12: thought that comes and you want to work, and that

1809
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 12: cake and the pie and whatever.

1810
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 2: It was not good. It's not good when you're stuck

1811
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: in the house with a bunch of good taste and food.

1812
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 2: This time of the year is rough. So what is

1813
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 2: the real estate topic today?

1814
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 12: Oh, it's a good one, you know. It's the gift

1815
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 12: to keep on giving. No, it's for home owners. You

1816
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 12: have to if you have any last minute gifts that

1817
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 12: you need to get some maybe your neighbor, maybe one

1818
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 12: of your kids who just maybe they were lucky enough

1819
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 12: to even if they don't like ohone the home or

1820
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 12: live in a home. There's always some gifts. And I'm

1821
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 12: sure you every year I come up with the list.

1822
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 12: This year I tried to ask chat gpt, and the

1823
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 12: list that chat gupt gave me for homeowners was lame.

1824
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 12: I even told them these are stupid. But let's see

1825
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 12: what you think.

1826
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 2: Okay, before you get into this, the entire pretext accounts

1827
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 2: to we set this conversation by talking about the wonderful

1828
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 2: things my wife is good at the very few things

1829
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 2: she's not good at. One of them would be gift giving.

1830
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 2: So you're going Oh that's chatchp. That's dumb. Here's my

1831
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 2: list of gifts.

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01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 12: Well maybe chat GPT. Maybe it's not as dumb as I.

1833
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 7: Think it is.

1834
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 2: Here So here's the list of Christmas gifts from the

1835
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 2: person who could be arguably one of the worst gift

1836
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: givers in the world. Go ahead, I got to hear this.

1837
01:25:53,880 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 12: Okay ready, A portable blue tooth speaker or outdoor music.

1838
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 12: I don't know that anybody needs that anymore. I don't

1839
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 12: love it. An alarm clock.

1840
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 2: The one good gift is probably on the list. It

1841
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: is like, I think that's stupid, but that'd be awesome.

1842
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 2: We get a bluetooth speaker or an.

1843
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 12: Alarm clock, the wake up with wake up light, I

1844
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 12: will say, we have you have on your side of

1845
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 12: the bed that you have the one that uh says

1846
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:24,759
Speaker 12: what time it is on the ceiling?

1847
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, projects now that's that's good because you wake what

1848
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: time is it? You look up at the ceiling. It's there.

1849
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 2: It's not blaring at you. However, no one uses an

1850
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 2: alarm clock anymore. We use our phones.

1851
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 12: All right, Well, then that's dumb. Okay, there are all

1852
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,799
Speaker 12: candles on this lilip. Now candles I love a good candle.

1853
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 12: I love a good candle, but I am very bad

1854
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,560
Speaker 12: at making sure that I blow them out at the

1855
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 12: before I leave a room or whatever. So instead of

1856
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 12: a candle, I am going to recommend the wax melt. Plus,

1857
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 12: you can get a pretty little ceramic thing to put

1858
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 12: the wax melts in. You just turn on the little

1859
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 12: light ball, the light bulb piece of the wax up

1860
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 12: and it smells nice.

1861
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 1: Now that's a.

1862
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 2: Nice house gift right there. Because you walk in it

1863
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 2: smells nice. You don't have to worry about, you know,

1864
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 2: the candle. You know a lot of problems with candles,

1865
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 2: of course, you know, and what happens. It stains the ceilings.

1866
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 2: In some cases you leave it on, you could have

1867
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 2: a fire. This is not a little light bulb beats

1868
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: it up and you you could leave it on. It's

1869
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 2: no big gun. If you want a candle.

1870
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 12: I love I love those and they come in so

1871
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 12: many different colors. And it's interesting. Last year, last year

1872
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 12: or the year before, I don't know, I was walking

1873
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 12: through Myer or someplace and they had them all on sale.

1874
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 12: So I bought like five million of them. And then

1875
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 12: when we went to and then I lost them during

1876
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 12: the move and then I found them. I think you

1877
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 12: might have found them again. So yeah, you know what,

1878
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 12: wax mount that's Good's good.

1879
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't miss the days where you have candles all

1880
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: over there. Looked like a I don't like you're having

1881
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: a seance or so. It like like a Stev Nicks

1882
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 2: video from back in the day. Buddy.

1883
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 12: All right, So there's some kitchen and eating gifts. You know,

1884
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,759
Speaker 12: you can always get like the little baskets of food

1885
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 12: type stuff, but a cutting board. Cutting board could be

1886
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 12: a good kitchen staple. That's nice, that could be used

1887
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 12: over and over again. Here's one that I think is

1888
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 12: dumb as a coffee mug, because you know, we have

1889
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:30,759
Speaker 12: a million coffee mugs.

1890
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 2: They just seem to just yeah, yeah, promotional coffee mugs.

1891
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: We're good.

1892
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't need any.

1893
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: They're never the right size. I like the big I

1894
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 2: like a big ass coffee mug if I coffee mugs.

1895
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 12: Are very personal because of the shape and how you

1896
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 12: hold them mint if you drink. And then some people

1897
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 12: have the little warmers where you can put the coffee

1898
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 12: mugs on top of the warmer. If you're one of

1899
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 12: those people that take a really long time to drink

1900
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 12: your coffee. And so that might be a good gift

1901
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 12: for somebody who has a desk that they like to

1902
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 12: keep your coffee yet and they don't drink it like

1903
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 12: right away, and they like it warm, and maybe they

1904
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 12: keep going back to the microwave to wan it up.

1905
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: Just get a I mean, if that's you, just get

1906
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 2: a yetti mug, then stay hot forever.

1907
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 6: You could do that too.

1908
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 12: Somehow we've ended up with like one hundred of dolls.

1909
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Well, so there's a story behind that. You forgot the story?

1910
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 7: What is it?

1911
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 2: Well, because it's a while ago. I said on this

1912
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 2: very show, in this very segment, I was like, I'm

1913
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 2: looking for I've got my one mug I take every

1914
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 2: morning filled with coffee, two pods of coffee, and that thing.

1915
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 2: I'm good to go. It stays hot for you know,

1916
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 2: the hour I sip on it, and every time I

1917
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 2: look for it. It was like you had them at

1918
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 2: work at your office and you walk in and there'd

1919
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: be like two or three of these things I was

1920
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 2: complaining about and people sent me, sent me Yetti mugs

1921
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 2: back in the day, and I still I think, yes,

1922
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 2: So that's where that came from. If I if I

1923
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 2: have something like that, sometimes you're like, oh, I'll just

1924
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 2: use his, But then that part of your brain forgets

1925
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 2: that you left it at the office, so it had

1926
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 2: like sixteen coffee mugs there and none at home.

1927
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a problem.

1928
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 2: Probably, I don't know if it is.

1929
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Speaker 7: It's just not for me.

1930
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Speaker 2: Forget that. Yeah, for you, I just buy a new mug.

1931
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Speaker 12: Not for me, a fruit basket, a spog gift box

1932
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Speaker 12: with relaxation care.

1933
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Speaker 2: Wow, this was great. By the way, my wife is

1934
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: cutting through lists of things here for homeowners. You could

1935
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 2: tell we're out of material this time of year right now.

1936
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Speaker 12: So anyway, it's very interesting if you have any ideas

1937
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 12: for gifts that I can get my husband.

1938
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Speaker 2: How about a cotton candy machine? What is that the

1939
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 2: other top of the list, cotton candy maker.

1940
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Speaker 12: You know, we usually do do the gifts, or you

1941
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 12: do at some point, the gifts that are like really

1942
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 12: trendy that you use once because it looks like fun,

1943
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 12: but you never get it out again.

1944
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Speaker 2: That's the cabinet of Chris Regrettable Christmas gifts pass is

1945
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 2: what it is. I really thought i'd use this fond

1946
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 2: pod more. Honestly, who doesn't like liquid even.

1947
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 12: You know what, there was a waffle maker when we

1948
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 12: made the move. A lot of those regrettable Christmas gifts

1949
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 12: did not make the move with us, and they're all

1950
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 12: at Goodwill right now.

1951
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Speaker 2: Somebody else's problem.

1952
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 12: If you're looking for hey, maybe that's a good idea.

1953
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 12: Maybe if looking for a little something instead of going

1954
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 12: to the CBS or Walgreen, a.

1955
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Speaker 2: Good Will, find some bargains there. Absolutely, snow cone maker.

1956
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 2: That's what I need. I need a snow cone maker.

1957
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Speaker 12: That's fun to the kids for five minutes, right right, right? Okay,

1958
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 12: so you thought the well about some safety items to

1959
01:31:56,360 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 12: a basket of safety items like the fire extinguisher, rber monos, detecture.

1960
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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, don't die. So that's very very all right.

1961
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's it's an armageddon Christmas. Is

1962
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 2: what's going on. I've got a fire extinguisher, all the

1963
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 2: pair of glasses and cutproof gloves, got pepper spray, a gun,

1964
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Speaker 2: zombie repellent.

1965
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 7: Put it all in my bask Okay, went and dout.

1966
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 12: Just go to the liquor store.

1967
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying?

1968
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 5: That's it?

1969
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 8: Just go to it.

1970
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 2: That's all. You need right there? What do you drink?

1971
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 2: And a bourbon? Here you go, here's a bottle of bourbon.

1972
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 2: You like your wine? Here a bottle of wine?

1973
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 12: Okay, wen and out go to the liquor store or

1974
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 12: buy spresh off.

1975
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it seems like that's that's what I would do.

1976
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 2: What is wrong with giving? What is wrong with a

1977
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 2: gift card?

1978
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 1: Why? Why?

1979
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Is why are gift crowds so frowned upon?

1980
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 7: Well?

1981
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Speaker 12: It's so impersonal, isn't it. You know what, I'm giving

1982
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 12: you a fire exignature that just says nothing but love?

1983
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 2: What also says that you don't know that that person

1984
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,560
Speaker 2: has a lot and fire extinger and I for some

1985
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:03,719
Speaker 2: reason that I have a lot of fires.

1986
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 5: I don't know why.

1987
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 2: I've got fire extingus on my work truck.

1988
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 12: I've got one that's probably true.

1989
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 2: I like, you've looked guard a Hosco And are you

1990
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 2: expecting sloan? Are you expecting something like bad?

1991
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 7: Are you what?

1992
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 2: Do you live in California in the middle of like

1993
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 2: the wildfire?

1994
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 5: What are you doing?

1995
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 8: Like?

1996
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I just collect fire extinguishers. That's

1997
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 2: my collect My wife with candles and I collect fire extinguishers,

1998
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 2: So that's what we do. Yeah, I don't know. I

1999
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 2: just I don't know why gift cards get such a

2000
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 2: bad rap because it's easy to buy, it's thoughtful, because

2001
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 2: you know, if you get a gift card to Home

2002
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 2: Depot or Low's or Ace Hardware or whatever it is minards,

2003
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, well I could use something, and

2004
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 2: then you pick something nice for you and and yet

2005
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 2: somehow that's impersonal as opposed to what I go and

2006
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 2: buy clothes or someone a shirt, a jacket or whatever

2007
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 2: it might be, pair of shoes and they don't fit,

2008
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 2: you don't like it, I've got that, and then they

2009
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 2: wind up returning. It's a bigger pain in the ass

2010
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 2: to do that than it is just to get the

2011
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 2: gift card.

2012
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 12: But so gift cards, there is a statistic out there

2013
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 12: that like half of the gift cards in the world

2014
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 12: don't end up getting used. We have a we do

2015
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 12: have drawer of unused gift cards, and a couple of

2016
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 12: them will probably never ever use.

2017
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, are someplaces are of business.

2018
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Speaker 12: So right, maybe we could regift those. We're actually for

2019
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 12: the Sloan Family Extravaganza Christmas here, we're doing a gift

2020
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:31,639
Speaker 12: card gift exchange like a white elephant. So instead of bringing,

2021
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 12: you know, something really stupid that nobody really wants or

2022
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:40,560
Speaker 12: in your family, it's something you know that is totally inappropriate,

2023
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,919
Speaker 12: We're going to We're going to have a gift exchange

2024
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 12: with gift cards this year. It's easy to carry. I

2025
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 12: guess for the out of town eers too.

2026
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah already, yeah, so we've got the nieces and nephews

2027
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 2: and all that, and so yeah, I already went and

2028
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 2: got the gift cards. Were good?

2029
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 12: Oh you did?

2030
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Speaker 6: Yep?

2031
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:02,799
Speaker 12: For real, yes, because I'm really going to get.

2032
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 2: Those taking care of check the box. Everyone gets a

2033
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars gift card to Hustler Hollywood. Here you go,

2034
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 2: Grandma married Christmas. It's the gift that keeps on getting.

2035
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:18,560
Speaker 1: I want to do this.

2036
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a massager, Grandma. That's fine. My wife,

2037
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 2: Michelle Sloan stand cells Holmes dot Com Open House Show,

2038
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 2: My gifts are a lot more fun than her gifts.

2039
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 2: That's for damn sure.

2040
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 12: Anyway, gifts this year, Okay, yeah, I.

2041
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 2: Got your stuff. I got seven or eight things for you.

2042
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 2: What'd you get me? I'm in trouble you know what

2043
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 2: process slice a pie off the list.

2044
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 12: I've got an excuse. Agree, I'm on, I could give you.

2045
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 12: I have two extra oxy left.

2046
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:58,679
Speaker 2: Now that that is a great Christmas gift. My wife,

2047
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 2: Michelle Sloan breaking all sorts of federal laws on the

2048
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 2: show here, so I love her. She lives on the edge.

2049
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 2: She does so long saleshomes dot com openhouse show that's

2050
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 2: available via the iHeartRadio app and the podcasts and of

2051
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 2: course on YouTube too. All right, gotta get going here.

2052
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I've been craving for pie. I

2053
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,600
Speaker 2: don't know why. Love you, see you later, Gotta go.

2054
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 2: Willie is on the way. Next it's the home of

2055
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Speaker 2: the best Bengals coverage. Seven hundred WOWTE Cincinnati,