Speaker 1: An American.
Speaker 2: Slowly on seven undterd WLW. You know, you kind almost
Speaker 2: set your watch by this stuff. Every four years, when
Speaker 2: the political parties change, you have people who are on
Speaker 2: the outside looking in, and the voices get louder for
Speaker 2: a lot of different things. You kind of heard a
Speaker 2: little bit about it, and it's always been a topic.
Speaker 2: But wealth inequality is going to blow up over the
Speaker 2: next four years simply because you have a Republican in office,
Speaker 2: and when you have policies that just feel the fire
Speaker 2: for people who are well socialists or simply think by
Speaker 2: existing they deserve X amount of dollars for just showing up.
Speaker 2: But we know America generally is built on marriage of meritocracy.
Speaker 2: Now again, i'd say an asterisk because some people are
Speaker 2: born on third base thinking they hit a triple when
Speaker 2: that is not the case. I mean, let's face it,
Speaker 2: we have a young generation who's shackled by things like
Speaker 2: college debt and taking on the ability to own a house,
Speaker 2: to start a family, to buy a new car, all
Speaker 2: the things we kind of took for granted when we
Speaker 2: were younger ourselves. It's become a lot harder to do that.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, but there is something to be said
Speaker 2: about hard work and showing up, and some things do
Speaker 2: indeed need to change. And you look at the distribution
Speaker 2: of wealth in this country, it is a problem if
Speaker 2: you don't have a burgeoning middle and lower class in
Speaker 2: order to buy the stuff that they manufacture. But to
Speaker 2: you simply broad brushing and turn capitalism some sort of
Speaker 2: evil and something that has to be undone is absolutely silly.
Speaker 2: Derek Bullen is a expert in the area of wealth
Speaker 2: and how we look at this in America, And Derek,
Speaker 2: welcome back. And I think we're going to start to
Speaker 2: hear more loudly than we have in the past that
Speaker 2: wealth is a four letter word. So just whear it's
Speaker 2: a curse word, it's an epithet.
Speaker 3: I know, the narrative is so calmonplace, it's just shame
Speaker 3: forn and it's all over on the rich, and none
Speaker 3: of it's correct.
Speaker 4: It's so highly incorrect.
Speaker 3: I thought I should get out there and just get
Speaker 3: the facts out for what they really are.
Speaker 2: Well, when you say rich or wealthy, what is that?
Speaker 2: Even because it's such a general term, it's relative to
Speaker 2: where you are. You know, if I make twelve dollars
Speaker 2: an hour, the guy making twenty dollars an hours wealthy, right,
Speaker 2: and if you're making twenty so it's all relative.
Speaker 5: To who you are.
Speaker 3: So true, it's so true. You know, it actually is
Speaker 3: absolutely relative to who you are. So, you know, I
Speaker 3: grew up in the fairly poor, working class neighborhood in Calgary,
Speaker 3: and even when we just moved up one to just
Speaker 3: a slightly nicer neighborhood, all of a sudden, we were rich,
Speaker 3: you know. And but I think in the for the mainstream,
Speaker 3: I think, and for the politicians, they always run it
Speaker 3: against the one percent, or they always run it against
Speaker 3: the billionaires. But even there, what they're saying is not true.
Speaker 3: You know, it's tax time, right, and there will be
Speaker 3: about one point six billion in taxes collected by the
Speaker 3: IRS federally, and the top one percent will pay forty
Speaker 3: percent of that amount, like they're paying for almost forty
Speaker 3: percent of the roads, schools, hospitals, everything. And the one
Speaker 3: percent is not enough to you know, vote in a
Speaker 3: politician or vote out a politician. But they are the
Speaker 3: golden goose that always gets squeezed. Nobody knows that the
Speaker 3: bottom fifty seven percent of people that work last year
Speaker 3: will pay no federal incompacts at all. So when I hear,
Speaker 3: you know, Joe Biden saying pay your fair share, like,
Speaker 3: how much more than forty percent of the burden carried
Speaker 3: by one percent of the population, was he what's he
Speaker 3: looking for? You know, it's almost ludicrous when you look
Speaker 3: at the numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing is too, is that I know
Speaker 2: we'll get more on this in a second, but but
Speaker 2: to me, the tax a rich plan, it doesn't it
Speaker 2: doesn't stack up because even if you survey the typical
Speaker 2: America and they'll tell you it's like, I get it,
Speaker 2: there's going to be able to make more money, and
Speaker 2: we kind of need those people because it inspires the
Speaker 2: rest of us to work our butts off to get
Speaker 2: where they are. You're an entrepreneur, you started with nothing
Speaker 2: and you employ some three thousand people in the IT
Speaker 2: field right now, So we love that, Drew. Now you're Canadian.
Speaker 2: But again it's the what we call here the American dream,
Speaker 2: right that that I at least have a chance if
Speaker 2: I if I a little bit of lock and a
Speaker 2: lot of hard work will get me where I want
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, And you know, it is a hard A
Speaker 3: lot of hard work, and these these politicians like Sanders,
Speaker 3: they say, oh, it is the rich get richer, They're
Speaker 3: doing it on the backs of everybody else.
Speaker 4: That's not true.
Speaker 3: As the rich get richer, everybody's getting more prosperous. You know,
Speaker 3: when President Johnson started the War on Poverty in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty four, there were almost no billionaires in the United
Speaker 3: States and poverty was nineteen point five percent in the
Speaker 3: United States. Today, with the US having the most billionaires
Speaker 3: in the world, poverty full income poverty has dropped two
Speaker 3: point three percent, and globally, poverty's fallen in half and
Speaker 3: lifespans increased.
Speaker 4: As we've gone from.
Speaker 3: Back in the eighties, maybe there were fifteen billionaires to
Speaker 3: the day there's almost three thousand billionaires on the globe.
Speaker 3: The pie has gotten bigger, and I can give you
Speaker 3: lots of really good example Scott on how the pie
Speaker 3: has gotten bigger and multiple people have benefited, not just
Speaker 3: the person making it.
Speaker 2: Well, give me one good example of a dummy like me.
Speaker 2: Can understand. I don't talk over my head now, I'm
Speaker 2: not wealthy like you.
Speaker 4: No, no problem.
Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty, the value of Amazon jumped by
Speaker 3: five hundred and eighty billion, and everyone's like five hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy billion, and everyone was like, Jeff bezos networks
Speaker 3: went up by fifty seven billion, Oh, the shame of
Speaker 3: the shame. And what they didn't realize is he owns
Speaker 3: ten percent of Amazon.
Speaker 4: The only reason he owns.
Speaker 3: Is because he founded They created the company and put
Speaker 3: in the work. But the other ninety percent of Amazon
Speaker 3: is owned by institutions, and it's owned by banks, it's
Speaker 3: owned by insurance companies, it's owned by unions, and it's
Speaker 3: owned by the government. And so what nobody talked about
Speaker 3: was the half trillion dollars, just over half a trillion,
Speaker 3: that those people made at the same time. That's the
Speaker 3: wealth Bezos created for them. And so anytime someone's getting
Speaker 3: a pension, said teacher, or a fireman's getting a pension
Speaker 3: in California, someone gets a new loan for a car,
Speaker 3: somebody gets a home insurance claim paid, there's Amazon wealth,
Speaker 3: a little bit of Amazon wealth, and all of that.
Speaker 4: And so, you know, being the CEO of.
Speaker 3: A company like that, you're putting on this great buffet
Speaker 3: for everyone to come and enjoy. You're buying the groceries,
Speaker 3: cooking it up and only at the end, if you
Speaker 3: did a good jobs, there is there a plate left
Speaker 3: for you. So that's one way. Every time Bezels makes
Speaker 3: a dollar, he's got to remember he's just made nine
Speaker 3: for everybody else, like nine for everybody else. And while
Speaker 3: he's doing that, well he's doing that, he's paying out
Speaker 3: forty six billion in salaries every year, So forty six
Speaker 3: billion goes out to pay one point six million workers.
Speaker 3: It's like a small army. And while he's still doing that, he's.
Speaker 4: Paying out another forty two billion.
Speaker 3: Forty eight billion goes out for the forty six billion
Speaker 3: goes out to employees, forty two billion is going out
Speaker 3: to research and development that is cutting edge. Amazon Web
Speaker 3: Services is one of the largest cloud computing companies on
Speaker 3: the planet. So that's that's a way that And it's
Speaker 3: like that for every entrepreneur, Elong Musk, Bezols, Bill Gates,
Speaker 3: they make the majority of the money for the people
Speaker 3: that before they make theirs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's in this case, we it's easy to
Speaker 2: pick a Jeff Bezos or a Bill Gates in point
Speaker 2: at them and go bad evil. Look at all the money,
Speaker 2: Look at the wealth. This guy has homes all over
Speaker 2: the world and not for want, and people are starving.
Speaker 2: And yet if you look at the people who are
Speaker 2: making money basically riding his coattails, or I guess the
Speaker 2: way I would look at it is how many people,
Speaker 2: how many working folks and the like will put a
Speaker 2: bet on March Madness or the super Bowl or the
Speaker 2: World Series, something along those lines. Throw a little money
Speaker 2: out there, buy a lottery ticket. That's the way I
Speaker 2: look at stock op or buying stock right, is that
Speaker 2: if I buy some stock, as opposed to a lottery ticket,
Speaker 2: I'm now investing that money back in the company, allowing
Speaker 2: them to invest in the things you mentioned and hopefully
Speaker 2: return to me a profit. And that's why you have
Speaker 2: winners and losers on Wall Street. But anyone now can
Speaker 2: get into the game. If you have a smartphone and
Speaker 2: you know, twenty bucks into your account, you could literally
Speaker 2: buy a small shell be of a small share, but
Speaker 2: a small share of company. Or buy Apple when it's
Speaker 2: you know, twenty eight cents as opposed to where it
Speaker 2: is today, you could.
Speaker 3: You know, I always tell my kids, if you can't budget,
Speaker 3: you know, one thousand dollars, you won't be able to
Speaker 3: budget a million dollars.
Speaker 4: And it's like that.
Speaker 3: You know, most lottery winners, most seventy percent of the
Speaker 3: lottery winners are broken in depth two years after they
Speaker 3: win the lottery. And Bezos was successful with Amazon, but
Speaker 3: you know Dave Cook who started Blockbuster five billion in
Speaker 3: market cap down to zero in five years. Not everybody
Speaker 3: successful running a business, and Bezos is one guy. I
Speaker 3: have as much respect for Bezos as they do for
Speaker 3: the guy running a store down on the corner with
Speaker 3: three employees. And they're both doing the same thing. They're
Speaker 3: both multiplying prosperity, you know, in their communities.
Speaker 2: Derek Bullet on the show this morning on seven hundred
Speaker 2: w LW. It's pretty daring, but he is talking about
Speaker 2: defending wealth, and that is that wealth is a good thing,
Speaker 2: not a bad thing. As we talk about executive pay
Speaker 2: and you know, taxes and welfare and social programs and
Speaker 2: expanding government and taxing the rich and all of those things,
Speaker 2: the reality is we need wealthy people in the marria.
Speaker 2: One of the other elements of this too, Derek W'll
Speaker 2: point out is, you know, you talked about people rising
Speaker 2: up because of people like Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates
Speaker 2: or whatever, but the idea is that you're creating new
Speaker 2: new device. If look at this way, we have new
Speaker 2: technology out there that's just jaw dropping. For example, space
Speaker 2: travel no Elon Musk. And because of that, at some point,
Speaker 2: probably not in our lifetimes, but down the line, it
Speaker 2: travel to space will become affordable for the average person,
Speaker 2: I think anyway. But that's typically how it works, is
Speaker 2: the ultra wealthy by these cool new developments and investing
Speaker 2: technology and things we can only dream about, and then
Speaker 2: it becomes mass produced electric cars. Look where they are.
Speaker 3: Now, sure, electric cars, smartphones, and you know they talk
Speaker 3: about Elon Musk as if all he's doing is taking
Speaker 3: people up to space. He's taking satellites up into space.
Speaker 3: So a lot of the telecommunications that you get is
Speaker 3: courtesy of Elon Musk, you know, having a cheaper way
Speaker 3: to bring satellites. When this terrible invasion of the Ukraine,
Speaker 3: it's actually Elon Musk move satellites in front of them
Speaker 3: so they can have the free Internet. And you know
Speaker 3: what's interesting, el Must Jeff Bezos, they did not inherit
Speaker 3: their wealth. In fact, two thirds of everyone in the
Speaker 3: Fortune four hundred today in the United States made their
Speaker 3: wealth and their lifetime. Two thirds of those billionaires and
Speaker 3: eighty percent of the millionaires and billionaires in the UK
Speaker 3: are self made.
Speaker 4: So it's not like it's an entitlement.
Speaker 3: It's something people work for and the people that work
Speaker 3: for it, they're like elite athletes. Like it takes a
Speaker 3: nation to build a Michael Jordan, it takes a nation
Speaker 3: to build a Jeff Bezos or a Bill Gates or
Speaker 3: a Dice. And they the vacuum guy in the UK,
Speaker 3: and they are just like the lead athletes. You have
Speaker 3: to work in an insane amount of hours and there's
Speaker 3: no guarantee that you're going to make it. And just
Speaker 3: like an injury can take an athlete out of the
Speaker 3: game for the rest of their life, if you get
Speaker 3: a fatal injury in business, there's no recovery. The business
Speaker 3: is just over it, you know, just like I was
Speaker 3: saying earlier Life Blockbuster, the.
Speaker 6: Business is just not.
Speaker 3: So These are people and they're making the pie bigger
Speaker 3: for everyone. They're paying most of the tax. They also,
Speaker 3: by the way, pay most of the charitable donations in
Speaker 3: the United States. The average charitable donation, church payments, everything included,
Speaker 3: it's about five hundred and seventy bucks, and about half
Speaker 3: of the Americans will donate something. But if you look
Speaker 3: at total charity four hundred and eighty billion a year,
Speaker 3: one third of that comes from the one percent.
Speaker 4: And eighty five percent of bequests, which is.
Speaker 3: Different than giving in your lifetime. But the quest is
Speaker 3: when I die, what do I do with this money?
Speaker 3: Like Warren Buffet said, I'm going to give it all away?
Speaker 3: The Gates said, they give it all away, and they're
Speaker 3: well on their way to doing it. Eighty five percent
Speaker 3: of bequests come from the top one percent too, So
Speaker 3: it's a slowly very supportive of the tax system. Everyone's
Speaker 3: paying more than their fair share. They're very supportive when
Speaker 3: government can or won't step in and a nonprofit has
Speaker 3: to step in to do the work. So the government
Speaker 3: in California, France, and United States, Canada are all so
Speaker 3: dependent on the one percent paying taxes. Any pay more,
Speaker 3: more money, you make, more taxes you make, all these
Speaker 3: all these governments are very very dependent on the one
Speaker 3: percent coming in and paying taxes. I mean that that's
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people in a state besides of California
Speaker 3: paying one third of.
Speaker 4: The state taxes this year.
Speaker 3: If they weren't there, the state would be totally screwed
Speaker 3: if the one percent, if the one percent wasn't wasn't here,
Speaker 3: it would look a lot like socialism, and people would
Speaker 3: be like, where is the money for everything? Well, the
Speaker 3: people who made it left, And it's a different one
Speaker 3: percent every generation, because the majority of people make their
Speaker 3: millions or billions in their lifetime.
Speaker 2: And we're starting to see it, and we're seeing that acidus.
Speaker 2: We're seeing that exodus from the top tier people from California.
Speaker 2: Is that, you know, I think generosity lasts up till
Speaker 2: a point. One thing too to add about Europe and
Speaker 2: everyone else is if you look at what we do
Speaker 2: in the US, it's it's interesting as you see now
Speaker 2: Russia at the wolf of the dorso to speak like
Speaker 2: an existential threat like Russia's right now is all always
Speaker 2: look to the United States help bail them out. And
Speaker 2: I think there's an economic component of that too. Exactly
Speaker 2: what we're talking about right here is that if we
Speaker 2: continue to make everyone dependent on government, who's funding the government, Well,
Speaker 2: we're starting to see that in areas of Europe right now,
Speaker 2: and now they're looking and going, okay, well we didn't
Speaker 2: see Russia coming at all. Who's going to bail us out?
Speaker 2: It's going to the United States. And I think because
Speaker 2: of what you're talking about here, that's probably why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably why. You know, a good society.
Speaker 3: Ned States is arguably the greatest country in the world.
Speaker 3: It's a third of the world economy. And you have
Speaker 3: a vibrant business sector. You have a very large government
Speaker 3: who provides a lot of valuable services. And then you've
Speaker 3: got an amazing arts community, right, I mean, you've got
Speaker 3: a wad, You've got everything there. But the business has
Speaker 3: to make the money first. Then the government takes the
Speaker 3: money and that's taxes, and it uses some of it,
Speaker 3: and then it redistributes some of it and that goes.
Speaker 4: To the arts community.
Speaker 3: And then where it doesn't get covered again, businesses or
Speaker 3: wealth creators. That's true, the nonprofits and everything that they
Speaker 3: make up in the slack. But first you have to
Speaker 3: have this vibrant business sector. You were talking about the
Speaker 3: exodus out of California. You know, for everything California has,
Speaker 3: they're down over three hundred and sixty four thousand people
Speaker 3: a year leave. And that's like the city of Anaheim
Speaker 3: picking up and leaving, and it's because the taxes in California.
Speaker 3: If you're in the private sector taking all the risk,
Speaker 3: making all the money, you make about on average seventy
Speaker 3: grand a year. If you're in the public sector, on average,
Speaker 3: you make twice as much. They pay the public sector
Speaker 3: of plaice twice as much.
Speaker 4: They've got the whole.
Speaker 3: Thing inverted in that California. That's why everyone's leaving. So
Speaker 3: it's not just high profile names like Elon Musk or
Speaker 3: Rockstar Gens.
Speaker 4: Simmons that are leaving.
Speaker 3: You know, Tesla SpaceX they're located in Texas. Heel At
Speaker 3: Packard moved to Texas. Everyone knows Microsoft is the world's
Speaker 3: largest software company, but Oracle is very close at number two.
Speaker 4: They've moved to Texas.
Speaker 3: Digital Realty Trust the biggest commercial realty company world, They've
Speaker 3: moved to Texas. The exodus just keeps going past the
Speaker 3: beer company they've moved to Texas. You know, it's just crazy,
Speaker 3: the exodus because California is just squeezing the one percent out.
Speaker 2: I think there's a point when it comes to exaggerated
Speaker 2: wealth inequality too. I don't know how you bring that
Speaker 2: back down. You know, taxing the top one percent, for example,
Speaker 2: so popular, but we can only take so much money
Speaker 2: out of that, out of that particular group. Right, how
Speaker 2: do you bat, how do you how do you solve
Speaker 2: the issue of exaggerated wealth.
Speaker 7: In the quality?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, the media is amped that up.
Speaker 3: The media has grown wealth inequality stories at about fifty
Speaker 3: times higher than stories on real property. And people that
Speaker 3: have extreme wealth, the majority of them has said, well,
Speaker 3: first of all, it's it's hard to hang on to it,
Speaker 3: hard to hang on to welcome with the three generations.
Speaker 3: But the majority of them, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Mark
Speaker 3: Zickelberger said I will give back ninety nine percent of
Speaker 3: my wealth the society I made.
Speaker 4: It in before they go.
Speaker 3: And most people start donating as they get later in life.
Speaker 3: They're using their money to build their company, build their company,
Speaker 3: build their company, like Bill Gates with Microsoft. Then when
Speaker 3: they're old, they're like, I'm starting a forty five billion
Speaker 3: dollars save the world stot and malaria, get a vaccazine
Speaker 3: for AIDS fund. Right, you know, excessive wealth comes back
Speaker 3: into society.
Speaker 4: It's just hard to keep.
Speaker 2: You can't spend it all, you can't take it with you. Right,
Speaker 2: that's why and if you're wired to work all the time.
Speaker 2: I have friends like that. It's like, well, you're not
Speaker 2: going to die and leave all this money to their
Speaker 2: government and kids who are just going to simply take
Speaker 2: the money and spend it on fun stuff that you
Speaker 2: didn't do. Derek Bullen uh in Defense of Wealth is
Speaker 2: zame of the book. Thanks again for the time, Derek,
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Scott.
Speaker 2: How about some news weather traffic. Let's do that in
Speaker 2: about four minutes here on seven hundred WW.
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 2: We live in an age of political retribution. Authorititics is
Speaker 2: about winning, and now more so than ever in our lifetime,
Speaker 2: it's about retribution. And that is true nationally. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure a lot of people go, oh, you must be
Speaker 2: talking about Trump if I were talking about it locally.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting what's happening here in Cincinnati, Ohio. And
Speaker 2: I go back, of course to the beatdowns over the summer,
Speaker 2: where you had an individual who is the victim, which
Speaker 2: we thought was a victim. Then it turns out, well, no,
Speaker 2: he may be the We want to charge him like
Speaker 2: the assailants, and so you do that, and we have
Speaker 2: not heard anything about of course, this case for some time,
Speaker 2: it kind of got swept under the rug. I don't
Speaker 2: know how you do that, but it did in a sense.
Speaker 2: Is it because we had to come to some sort
Speaker 2: of preordained conclusion and make the make the evidence fit
Speaker 2: what it does we came to in the first place.
Speaker 2: Is that happening to some degree right now? With the
Speaker 2: decision by Hamlin County Prosecutor County Pelach last Friday, we
Speaker 2: could go tomorrow. Relative to the Elwood Jones case. Elwood
Speaker 2: Jones was blamed for the beating death of sixty seven
Speaker 2: year old road to Nathan and Connie Pellich had been
Speaker 2: considering for months want to pursue a new trial or
Speaker 2: drop the charges. She went, and it is it's one
Speaker 2: thing to go, hey, you don't what there's there's new
Speaker 2: evidence out there. And she even said, so we have
Speaker 2: new science that we think exonerates. Okay, well bring it
Speaker 2: forward and let's hear that. What happened, though, was this
Speaker 2: is more about saying, well, we're going to set up
Speaker 2: this I guess commission or board or whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it, in order to examine cases to make
Speaker 2: sure that only people guilty of crimes go to prison.
Speaker 2: Or go to death row is a case of Elwood Jones,
Speaker 2: and that was a cornerstone of her campaign when she
Speaker 2: won office last year. All right, sons out well and
Speaker 2: good and you make a case of that and go, okay,
Speaker 2: we have to find a case now that would exemplify
Speaker 2: and launch this thing because we need something to go.
Speaker 2: This is why we need to do this. We need
Speaker 2: a concrete example of injustice, gross injustice. And when you
Speaker 2: do that, of course, you prosecute the individuals who prosecuted
Speaker 2: Elwood Jones. You make them out to be bad people
Speaker 2: in a sense, and saying they took evidence, they hit it.
Speaker 2: And you know, the four thousand pages are left out
Speaker 2: of this case, by the way, may add kind of
Speaker 2: inconsequential from what I understand. I certainly didn't read the
Speaker 2: four thousand pages, but I think to go after Joe
Speaker 2: Dieters then the prosecute at the time, and to some
Speaker 2: degree Mark peepe Meyer, the lead attorney in this case.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to say, hey, we have new evidence
Speaker 2: because of science and overturn. It's other to say we
Speaker 2: took that science and it shows you it was a
Speaker 2: conspiracy to Frank Melwood Jones, which of course borders on
Speaker 2: slander and libel. I bring this up because I don't
Speaker 2: know about you. I wasn't around when this crime happened.
Speaker 2: I was pretty young when this thing happened, had no recollection.
Speaker 2: I've been heard and heard it second hand yesterday on
Speaker 2: the show on Willy's Show. If you missed this, it's
Speaker 2: via the podcast, and it's absolutely compelling to listen to
Speaker 2: Joe Dieters, now Ohio Supreme Court Justice and Mark Pittmeyer,
Speaker 2: who was the lead attorney in this case Santa with
Speaker 2: Willy and Mark as the lead attorney, laid out the case.
Speaker 2: Is the evidence that they had against Elwood Jones back
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four, and it is it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Let me play that for you real quick.
Speaker 9: Elwood Jones was working on the second floor of the
Speaker 9: Embassy Suites hotel in the afternoon of I think it
Speaker 9: was a Friday afternoon, setting up a banquet room when
Speaker 9: a couple arrived to go into the room next door
Speaker 9: to where he was working. That was Joe Kaplan and
Speaker 9: Elaine Shue. Elwood could have easily seen them go into
Speaker 9: that room, and our theory as he did see them
Speaker 9: knew that it was a couple staying in that room.
Speaker 9: Later that night, after Elwood got off of work, rode
Speaker 9: to Nathan, our victim showed up. Elwood did not realize
Speaker 9: now that there are three people in the room. The
Speaker 9: next morning, the couple that first arrived went down to
Speaker 9: breakfast and rote of Nathan is in the room. She's
Speaker 9: going to take a shower, and Elwood is also working
Speaker 9: in the room right next door.
Speaker 7: That day.
Speaker 9: It's a banquet room with the door open, and Elwood
Speaker 9: is a thief. He's a career thief. And our belief
Speaker 9: is is that he saw an opportunity, went in the
Speaker 9: room because he thought it was open and confronts. Wrote
Speaker 9: to Nathan, rode to Nathan, is savagely beaten. She died
Speaker 9: of blunt force trauma. There was very little blood at
Speaker 9: the scene because it was just beaten to death. About
Speaker 9: a half hour later, the couple comes back from breakfast,
Speaker 9: open the door and they find Roda Nathan laying on
Speaker 9: the floor.
Speaker 5: All she had on her was a bath towe.
Speaker 9: They think, oh my god, she must have had a
Speaker 9: heart attack, and they call paramatics and they come and
Speaker 9: they're treating her, trying to revive her from what they
Speaker 9: believed was a heart attack. Two other things were noticed
Speaker 9: by the couple at the time. There was a distinctive
Speaker 9: handweight made necklace that Rhoda always wore around her neck
Speaker 9: and it was missing. Also, Elaine Shub noticed there were
Speaker 9: hundreds of dollars of cash that she had in her
Speaker 9: purse that was taken. One other thing is this is
Speaker 9: a you know, thirty years ago or so on. Back then,
Speaker 9: they didn't have the electronic key cards. You needed a
Speaker 9: key to get in the door, and the door latched automatically,
Speaker 9: but Joe Kaplan was sure when he left the room,
Speaker 9: he did what most people do, checked to made sure
Speaker 9: it was securely locked because they didn't want it open.
Speaker 9: With rood In taking a shower. When Rhoda gets to
Speaker 9: the hospital, she dies. They take her to the coroner's
Speaker 9: office and lo and behold, they find that she died
Speaker 9: from blunt for's trauma.
Speaker 5: A couple other things about her body.
Speaker 9: There was a couple of distinctive bruises that were developed
Speaker 9: on her body. One was very consistent with a walkie
Speaker 9: talkie which some of the workers in the hotel were issued.
Speaker 9: Elwood Jones was one of those. There was also a
Speaker 9: door chain a latch, which is kind of an unusual
Speaker 9: mark to have on a body. She also had that
Speaker 9: on her body, and it told us that whoever did
Speaker 9: this three things we know for sure. The person had
Speaker 9: to have a master key. The person also had to
Speaker 9: have a walkie talkie, and the person also had to
Speaker 9: have one of these door latches. We also know that
Speaker 9: the person that did this took Rhoda's necklace. When Elwood
Speaker 9: Jones arrived at work that morning, everybody noticed he was fine.
Speaker 9: A couple hours later, people noticed that his left hand
Speaker 9: was bandaged and people said, elwo, what happened to your hand?
Speaker 5: Person?
Speaker 9: He said, well, I's taking some trash out and I
Speaker 9: fell and I cut it. And somebody else asked him,
Speaker 9: he says, well, when I was up on the second
Speaker 9: floor taking down that banquet room, a piece of the
Speaker 9: floor and fell on my hand and he cut it.
Speaker 5: So some inconsistent things.
Speaker 9: Immediately, when Blue ass started investigating, they realized one.
Speaker 5: Very important thing.
Speaker 9: Whoever did this had to be in the hotel that
Speaker 9: morning and had to have a master key, and that
Speaker 9: limited the suspect pool from hundreds of people in the
Speaker 9: hotel to about four people. You know what I'm saying this,
Speaker 9: I feel like I've given an opening statement again. But
Speaker 9: these are the facts, and this is what we presented
Speaker 9: to the jury. About four or five days later, Elwood's
Speaker 9: hand got very infected and he's thinking, I'd better do
Speaker 9: something about this. And he goes to some clinic and
Speaker 9: there's a doctor, John McDonough, who taught at UC Med School,
Speaker 9: and he was one of the best hand surgeons in
Speaker 9: the country. And one day a month he would volunteer
Speaker 9: to go to this clinic and treat people basically for free.
Speaker 9: It's almost like God said, I want you there that
Speaker 9: day because I want someone to see what Elwood has.
Speaker 9: And Elwood comes in and his left hand has severely sworn.
Speaker 9: It's Elwood, what what happened to your hand? And he
Speaker 9: gives them a couple other stories. And the doctor knows
Speaker 9: that anytime you've got a cut in one of your knuckles,
Speaker 9: chances are you pop somebody in the mouth. He also
Speaker 9: knows that inside the human gum line there's a bacteria
Speaker 9: Aikinela Crodins. I don't know science very well. Hell, I
Speaker 9: want to Roger Bacon I Joe couldn't get in, but
Speaker 9: he had to settle for saying it's just sad, you know,
Speaker 9: but we have standards like you. Anyway, he knew that
Speaker 9: if I don't treat this hand for Konela crones or
Speaker 9: tests for it, he's going to lose his hand. So
Speaker 9: even though Elwood said I cut it on something, he
Speaker 9: tested for this bacteria that's in the gum line. Lo
Speaker 9: and behold, it's Akonela crodins. In fact, he was so
Speaker 9: sure of this he took a picture of Elwood's hand
Speaker 9: to teach to his medical students and said, if an
Speaker 9: anybody ever comes in with a hand swollen like this,
Speaker 9: you've got to test for that bacteria because if you don't,
Speaker 9: they're probably gonna lose their hands. So when this came out,
Speaker 9: everybody started focusing on Elwood. Blueesh police got a search
Speaker 9: warrant for his car, for his home, for his trunk
Speaker 9: of his car. A couple things they found. Number one,
Speaker 9: they found Alwaukee talkie. That actually Joe and I went
Speaker 9: to Washington, d C. And had the FBI lab look
Speaker 9: at it and they were able to match it. Again,
Speaker 9: it's Alwaukee talkie. There were more than one in that hotel,
Speaker 9: but it matched all the rivets and everything matched exactly
Speaker 9: the mark on road of Nathan's check chest. Also in
Speaker 9: his toolbox there was one of these door latches and
Speaker 9: that also matched the toolmark. The impression of that door
Speaker 9: lock on her chest, which is again that's a lot
Speaker 9: more unusual than Milwaukee Talkie. But the absolute thing that
Speaker 9: clinched it all was that pendant of Rooda Nathan. They
Speaker 9: were in a picture of taking of road to Nathan
Speaker 9: wearing that and it matched exactly that pendant found in
Speaker 9: the trunk of Elwood Jones's car.
Speaker 5: I think that's a pretty darn good case.
Speaker 8: That is.
Speaker 2: Then lead prosecutor of this case, Mark pitp Meyer in
Speaker 2: Study Yester with Joe Dieters and Willie Who. I hear
Speaker 2: the entire thing. It's really compelling. Obviously I play at all.
Speaker 2: I was a pretty long segment, I understand, but that's
Speaker 2: available the iHeartRadio podcast page. Just go to the iHeartRadio
Speaker 2: app down load. There is really really tough to listen to,
Speaker 2: but also compelling at the same time. If you're a
Speaker 2: friend of a true crime, I hear this and go okay.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 2: Prosecutor County Pillows last week said that you know evidence
Speaker 2: was left out. It made you think makes one think
Speaker 2: believing that there was some conspiracy against Elwood Jones all
Speaker 2: these years.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I listened to that and go, yeah, it's all circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 2: But if you take enough pieces of circumstantial evidence and
Speaker 2: put it all together, how many people could possibly have
Speaker 2: done what Elwood Jones was accused of doing. So you know,
Speaker 2: if you just said, hey, he was working in the
Speaker 2: room next to this couple and he had a robbery record,
Speaker 2: he had a jacket, I don't know how many, how
Speaker 2: thick that was, but nonetheless he had prior history work
Speaker 2: in the room next to them. They go to breakfast,
Speaker 2: he sees that they left to go you know what
Speaker 2: if I were, and Jerry go, okay, well I can't
Speaker 2: convict a guy on that, just as soon as he happenstance, Okay,
Speaker 2: four people that day had a master key. Well, that
Speaker 2: narrows it down. He also had a walkie talkie. I
Speaker 2: don't know how many people on duty that day had
Speaker 2: a walkie talkie. How many people had access to a
Speaker 2: doordling a door chain latch in their toolbox? I went,
Speaker 2: I don't know, if you hit something and you push
Speaker 2: them into the door, But the way the marks were
Speaker 2: on the body and is such. There's no way from
Speaker 2: what I understand, it could have been attached to the door.
Speaker 2: It had to be a loose storchain, a latch which
Speaker 2: pretty heavy. You look at that go out, it's almost
Speaker 2: like a little many mace sort of thing you can
Speaker 2: swing around. The fact that it worked that day, he
Speaker 2: was fine middle of the day. He has his hand
Speaker 2: bandaged up, and different stories as to how that accident occurred.
Speaker 2: And then, of course the compelling piece of evidence here
Speaker 2: the infection consistent with bacteria in the mouth. Now I
Speaker 2: know that she also wrought a had appatitis B and
Speaker 2: they said, well that's easily that's sort of a lot
Speaker 2: more communicable than this particular disease. But you know, again,
Speaker 2: you have it in your mouth, and she tested positive
Speaker 2: Ford and you had the injury. How many people out
Speaker 2: of that Ford does it have left? You look at
Speaker 2: all this stuff and go, okay, he had the radio,
Speaker 2: he had the key, he had the door latch, and
Speaker 2: then you find the necklace in his trunk. How did
Speaker 2: it end up there?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 2: Did I found it and I threw a Why Okay,
Speaker 2: if I found a necklace, you'd probably put in your pocket,
Speaker 2: take it down and lost and found. But it was
Speaker 2: in his car, in his trunk of all things. I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, I understand that we have new forensic evidence
Speaker 2: data that's coming out that could refute a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff, But for the life of me, I can't
Speaker 2: figure out how it's anyone but Elwood Jones. But the
Speaker 2: problem is, as I said, you know, politics today is
Speaker 2: about retribution. And you know, if you say, having to
Speaker 2: come up with a commission in order to make sure
Speaker 2: that only people who are in jail or in prison
Speaker 2: are there to make sure that we're consistent with our convictions,
Speaker 2: and you know, to look through it. And I think
Speaker 2: that's a noble thing. But in order to make that commission,
Speaker 2: you need a reason, and the reason would be Elwood
Speaker 2: Jones is this And I think that quite honestly, would
Speaker 2: happened with the assaults over the summer that you know,
Speaker 2: we saw the rush to judgment there, and we saw
Speaker 2: the rush to try and convict someone of a racial
Speaker 2: crime when it turns out he was the victim of
Speaker 2: racial crime. And of course once that was discovered, you
Speaker 2: don't hear about the story anymore. With these over the
Speaker 2: summer beatdowns. Do we have the same kind of thing
Speaker 2: happening here to a degree where you're like, hey, I
Speaker 2: got to come up with a commission here, and now
Speaker 2: we've got to find someone. And it just seems like
Speaker 2: Elwood Jones, who's been very vocal about his imprisonment as
Speaker 2: being innocent, as all people in prison are pretty innocent
Speaker 2: if you listen to their story, that we found a
Speaker 2: guy who could be the poster child for what it
Speaker 2: is we're seeking to do. Which side do you believe?
Speaker 2: Scott's loan seven hundred WW do.
Speaker 10: You want to be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: Barry w Enderwick has a very cool Instagram free so
Speaker 2: every day for the past number of years, he makes
Speaker 2: a sandwich, makes a sandwich, and not just any sandwich.
Speaker 2: He takes and makes a sandwich that was popular at
Speaker 2: various times throughout history. So for example, he creates what
Speaker 2: they're eating and let's say nineteen eighteen. I don't know
Speaker 2: what that is they were eating in nineteen eight eighteen,
Speaker 2: but safe to say, you know what sandwiches in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighteen sucked compared to today. We are like, this is
Speaker 2: the golden era of food. Let's just call it what
Speaker 2: it is. His ig is at Sandwiches of History. He
Speaker 2: makes one of those things today and he's got literally
Speaker 2: billions of followers here and he joins the show now
Speaker 2: to talk about it. Also has a book called Sandwich
Speaker 2: The History of the Cookbook.
Speaker 6: Barry W.
Speaker 2: Dwick Welcome. So are you Berry?
Speaker 8: Thank you? I am doing great. How about yourself?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. I mean I like to eat man
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing that's how you started this whole thing.
Speaker 2: What the fascination with sandwiches? Howd that begin?
Speaker 8: Well? First of all, who doesn't love a sandwich? Always
Speaker 8: loved the sandwiches. And the thing about sandwiches it's great
Speaker 8: is you can change up everything about it and it's portable, right,
Speaker 8: you can change out the bread, have the breads treated,
Speaker 8: what's between the bread? So I just I love sandwiches
Speaker 8: in general. But I found this PDF of the up
Speaker 8: to date Sandwich book that was published in nineteen oh nine,
Speaker 8: and I was like, wow, So these are what they
Speaker 8: thought were the bees knees and nineteen oh nine, and
Speaker 8: some of them quite clearly are not. But I thought
Speaker 8: it'd be fun to do on social media kind of
Speaker 8: share with people. And it turns out people are interested
Speaker 8: in these old rereacipees, and I found that, you know,
Speaker 8: most of the breast feeds fell in this area where
Speaker 8: they were like, you know, if you just had an
Speaker 8: ingredient or two, these might be pretty good. So that's
Speaker 8: where the whole I'm gonna plus this up concept came from.
Speaker 2: Nice everything. I'm a food I'm not liking over the
Speaker 2: top foody, but I'm a foodie and I you know
Speaker 2: what I I see like an I don't know the
Speaker 2: menu that was served on the day the Titanic sunk.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm fascinated with like what they thought was
Speaker 2: great at that time, like jello or you know, and
Speaker 2: stuff either you look at it and go, man, I
Speaker 2: really really like elderberries or whatever the hell it is
Speaker 2: at that period of time. Like what was the fascination
Speaker 2: with celery? Like some of those old menus from the
Speaker 2: from the late eighteen to nineteen. It's like, well, I
Speaker 2: have celery on the mind, dude, it's celery. What's the
Speaker 2: big deal?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 8: You know? Can I can I share with you one
Speaker 8: of the oddest food trends that I came up across.
Speaker 8: And you've been doing this yeast fresh yeast real Qushian brothers. Apparently, yeah,
Speaker 8: apparently in the nineteen twenties, people started to buy bread
Speaker 8: and eventually sliced bread in nineteen twenty eight, and so
Speaker 8: they were cooking less at home, and so yeast de
Speaker 8: Man went down and the Fleshman brothers wanted to do sales.
Speaker 8: So they got together with a marketing company in New
Speaker 8: York and came up with they eat Fresh Yeast for
Speaker 8: Health campaign, and it somehow worked, and in fact, in
Speaker 8: one of the books there is a recipe for a
Speaker 8: yeast sandwich. And you know, I've never eaten wall paper paste,
Speaker 8: but I can imagine question.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, in one hundred years to own, there's
Speaker 2: a big guy doing this on whatever platform. It is
Speaker 2: a word dead and gone berry and it'd be like
Speaker 2: mucked a powder or something like that. But what the
Speaker 2: hell is that?
Speaker 5: I don't know that exactly.
Speaker 2: It's all stuff is all trending. What is the worst
Speaker 2: sandwich that you've ever eaten in from what years?
Speaker 8: You know? I do think that the yeast sandwich in
Speaker 8: theaeteen twenties was is either the worst or tied for
Speaker 8: the worst with the oyster sandwich from the up to
Speaker 8: date Sandwich Book of nineteen oh nine, which had any
Speaker 8: chopped raw oysters mixing with olive oil Worcester sauce and
Speaker 8: put it between buttered bread with lettuce, and I like
Speaker 8: raw oysters on the half show. That was an abomination.
Speaker 8: That was just it was horrible textual nightmare.
Speaker 2: I remember watching that on your feet actually and laughing
Speaker 2: at a lot like this is gonna suck and it did?
Speaker 2: You did that disappointment that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, sometimes it sounds they read like they're going
Speaker 8: to suck, and they don't. That doesn't happen as often
Speaker 8: as i'd like, right, But the ones that suck, yeah,
Speaker 8: they suck.
Speaker 2: We call them sandwiches. But is a sandwich a hogi,
Speaker 2: a grinder, a sub, a sanga witch? Is it all
Speaker 2: a yo? Is it all the same thing?
Speaker 8: Yes, it's all in the category of sandwich. And even
Speaker 8: what's what's funny about that is the name sandwich comes
Speaker 8: from the fourth Earl of Montague. Somehow he got his
Speaker 8: name on it. But he clearly was not the first
Speaker 8: person to put meat between breads. But he did a
Speaker 8: good job of branding and boom, we call him sandwiches.
Speaker 2: Is a taco or a hot dog? A sandwich. Why
Speaker 2: is a hot dog not a sandwich? A burger is
Speaker 2: a sandwich, but a hot dog is I.
Speaker 8: Got you, I got it.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 8: So taco I don't consider to be a sandwich because
Speaker 8: the tortilla is of uniform thickness, so it acts more
Speaker 8: like a sling than anything else. Hot dog, I think
Speaker 8: technically is a sandwich for two reasons. One, everything's made up,
Speaker 8: so just enjoy the hot dog. But two, if you
Speaker 8: look at if you look at the bun, it's kind
Speaker 8: of equal thickness on two sides, and it's a very
Speaker 8: thin hinge to accommodate the tubular meat. And then that
Speaker 8: sort of configuration kind of mirrors what you see it
Speaker 8: like Jersey Mikes or what everyone the role. So to me,
Speaker 8: technically it is a sandwich. Now, if you say, hey,
Speaker 8: do you want a sandwich and you hear me a
Speaker 8: hot dog, I'm gonna be like wait what? So there
Speaker 8: is that disconnect, But I think it technically falls in
Speaker 8: the category.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 2: I see, I feel where you're coming from here, man Berry.
Speaker 2: You know what I I love. I love the cut
Speaker 2: of your cheese. But a taco is not what and
Speaker 2: a roll up is not a sandwich, it's a roll up.
Speaker 2: It's it's a tortilla.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, wrap an The rap actually describes itself.
Speaker 2: Did you ever just throw cautions and will get crazy
Speaker 2: and have a wrap berry?
Speaker 8: Oh? Yeah's wild.
Speaker 6: You never get I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Never get tired of sandwiches. It's amazing.
Speaker 8: I'm a guy who loves food. Yeah, so yeah, I'm
Speaker 8: not gonna I'm not gonna be uh. You know, it's
Speaker 8: overly prescriptive about categories. If it's something sounds delicious on.
Speaker 2: The kindred spirits here, there's no doubt about it. You
Speaker 2: mentioned the earliest, you know, the Earl of sandwich, which
Speaker 2: actually was like like a chain they have the they
Speaker 2: added to CBG at our airport when you land there
Speaker 2: in a few days. That and and he wasn't obviously
Speaker 2: the first one that I actually did a little research.
Speaker 2: So the Helll's mixtury familiar with that?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, hello, sandwich one hundred BC. In the Jewish
Speaker 8: tradition they put together lamb and bitter herb between I
Speaker 8: believe mansa.
Speaker 2: So that's a sandwich that sounds terrible. That sounds like
Speaker 2: have you recreated that one? Because that sounds like it
Speaker 2: could serve, it could suck worse than an oyster sandwich.
Speaker 8: The modern equivalent is actually made with harrow set, which
Speaker 8: is nuts and fruits, so it actually works pretty well.
Speaker 8: I have not made it with the lamb, so and
Speaker 8: you know the bitter herb like arugula, right, yeah, crazy,
Speaker 8: it's not gonna be crazy better. So it was actually
Speaker 8: pretty good. Yeah. But there's one older than that that
Speaker 8: I've discovered that was in I've discovered. I came upon.
Speaker 8: I did not discover it someone else house. And it's
Speaker 8: called the Rogi Mo and it's from China, Shanxi Province,
Speaker 8: two hundred BC. And it's basically along the Silk Road
Speaker 8: where they created spices, and it's just a bunch of
Speaker 8: warm spices and beef that gets stewed until it's just
Speaker 8: fallen apart. Today it's made with pork belly predominantly, but
Speaker 8: it was made with beef originally, and it's put inside
Speaker 8: a griddle cake that split almost all the way through,
Speaker 8: and it's like it's delicious.
Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting, all right.
Speaker 5: Berry W.
Speaker 2: Nderwick is here. He has his ig feed and his
Speaker 2: book is Sandwich of the History of the Cookbook, where
Speaker 2: he has all this stuff in there too and just
Speaker 2: goes through different eras in world history and makes a
Speaker 2: sandwich daily on his ig feed, which is pretty damn
Speaker 2: cool in my opinion. Pretty clearly America because we're always
Speaker 2: on the go. I was talking, you know, talk about
Speaker 2: like drive throughs and stuff like that, and it's such
Speaker 2: an American thing. You go to Europe and they don't
Speaker 2: do that at all. You got you actually have to
Speaker 2: sit your ass down and have a coffee. There's no
Speaker 2: drive even if you want to use the bathroom.
Speaker 7: You got.
Speaker 2: So we obviously must lead the world in portable fool food,
Speaker 2: which is the sandwich starting with number one has got
Speaker 2: to be the Hamburger. So after that, though, when you
Speaker 2: look at world sandwiches, how would you rank who comes
Speaker 2: in second to the US?
Speaker 8: Oh? Boy, you know, the UK absolutely loves it sandwiches.
Speaker 8: You're right, they don't have drive throughs, but boy, how
Speaker 8: do you can get a sandwich just about everywhere and
Speaker 8: they're very passionate about it. Mexico has a fantastic array
Speaker 8: of sandwiches. They're all using telearro rolls or they're using
Speaker 8: Balio rows, but their torches down there are amazing. And
Speaker 8: I think outside of that, then it starts to diminish
Speaker 8: a little bit. But practically every cuisine seems to have
Speaker 8: a sandwich, which is fantastic. That's another great thing about
Speaker 8: this is like everywhere around the world. When I do
Speaker 8: an Instagram Live, I'll get people from Sweden, I'll get
Speaker 8: people from New Zealand, I'll get to Germany, I'll get
Speaker 8: I've had people from Africa tune in. The sandwich just
Speaker 8: seems to have a universal appeal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Over in the ukn they have something called a chip
Speaker 2: Buddy and you think, oh, as was it guy? But no,
Speaker 2: it gets two slice of white bread with French fries
Speaker 2: on it and butter.
Speaker 8: It's a carb bomb and it's probably not the healthiest
Speaker 8: in the world, but it did tasty, especially if you
Speaker 8: had a pint berry.
Speaker 2: If you're going carb bomb, what would it be? Would
Speaker 2: it be a spaghetti sandwich?
Speaker 5: Did you?
Speaker 2: Was it you? You did a Was there a potato
Speaker 2: salad sandwich?
Speaker 8: I thought there was a Yeah, I just did a
Speaker 8: potato salad sandwich the other day. It had a little
Speaker 8: bit of a hard boiled eggs and manage and there,
Speaker 8: so it wasn't j just potatoes. It's kind of like
Speaker 8: a mash up between the two. I would say that
Speaker 8: the chip Buddy is probably up there with the carb
Speaker 8: bombed sandwich. It tastes like you shouldn't be eating it,
Speaker 8: but it tastes good.
Speaker 2: Gotcha?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 2: So let's do this. Give me a sandwich from each
Speaker 2: decade started on. We could do this all day, I suppose,
Speaker 2: but let's say in nineteen ten.
Speaker 8: Up, because I've done like over a thousand sandwiches.
Speaker 2: Oh man, are we doing that? Whatever do you want? Man,
Speaker 2: it's your show. I don't care this. I'm just sitting here.
Speaker 2: I'm not early entertained by This is freaking awesome. Are
Speaker 2: you kidding me? We're talking about sandwiches everyone. If you
Speaker 2: don't like a sandwich, I demand you never listened to
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 2: Everyone loves sandwiches.
Speaker 8: Wow, Well, let's see we've got the crooked Maseur sandwich
Speaker 8: was developed in France in the nineteen ten okay, and
Speaker 8: that is what again. It's ham and cheese basically, and
Speaker 8: then fried bechamel sauce. It's quite good, it's quite decadent.
Speaker 8: And then it's the foundation for the crook Madam, which
Speaker 8: actually has an egg over easy egg on top.
Speaker 2: Is this U currently right now? I mentioned at the
Speaker 2: start Berry that this is the golden age of food.
Speaker 2: Every year it gets better and better, or maybe worse
Speaker 2: and horse and worse if you're handwringing vegan dietitian and
Speaker 2: I look at this and go, it can't get any
Speaker 2: better than it is right now. And I'm kind of
Speaker 2: joke because you go back in the day like one
Speaker 2: of your grandparents and they're like, oh, I want horsehound
Speaker 2: candy or liquorice or like you look at it and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: necko wafers, Like my god, food must have sucked when
Speaker 2: you were a kid. Necko wafers and horsehound candy, whatever
Speaker 2: there is today. I walk into a gas station, man,
Speaker 2: and I'm indodated with sugar, chocolate, peanut, butter, fruit flavors,
Speaker 2: artificial and otherwise. It's amazing. Like food back then was terrible.
Speaker 8: Well, okay, so you've got the context of what we
Speaker 8: have now now if you go back in time, if
Speaker 8: you were to go back in nineteen thirty two, for example,
Speaker 8: you knew what you had in nineteen thirty two and
Speaker 8: that was it. But I will say I agree with you,
Speaker 8: this is amazing the access that we have to ingredients.
Speaker 8: The speed with which we can get them and the
Speaker 8: convenience which was with which we can get them is unbelievable.
Speaker 8: And I'm pretty sure like the plus ups I applied
Speaker 8: to these old rust spees, if someone from that era
Speaker 8: came forward in times, it would probably blow their mind.
Speaker 8: Like what do you need to collaborate in chili paste?
Speaker 2: I know that's your thing when you when you do that,
Speaker 2: you kind of use the sandwich up you called a
Speaker 2: plus up for example. If I wanted a plus up
Speaker 2: plus up a I don't know, a Crokemond shur for example,
Speaker 2: what would you do?
Speaker 8: I'd want something a little bit with spikes. I'd probably
Speaker 8: do like a hot sauce or chili flakes, just to
Speaker 8: come through the richness because it is pretty rich.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I mean that's the thing is that I'll
Speaker 2: have our little thing that we put add to it going.
Speaker 2: I need to use this up a little bit. It's
Speaker 2: not quite right. You do that pretty much every episode,
Speaker 2: especially the ones where you're eating the I don't know
Speaker 2: the hell little mixture. You really got to put some
Speaker 2: You gotta put a lot of ketchup on that bad boy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's some that require two or three ingredients to
Speaker 8: make it into something better.
Speaker 2: But yeah, exactly, all right, So in the book, you
Speaker 2: have one egg. Guy, there's a couple of rest of
Speaker 2: the cucumber tea sandwich. That sounds So that sounds so Victorian.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's like from that era.
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, it's well, it's very light, and yeah, it's
Speaker 8: it's I wanted to include different categories of sandwiches in
Speaker 8: the cookbook, not just to have just sandwiches. So yeah,
Speaker 8: I included that Matie snack sandwich section. And you know,
Speaker 8: the idea behind the cookbook was I'd done. I've been
Speaker 8: doing all these recipes and when you look at the
Speaker 8: old recipes, they most of a lot of time they
Speaker 8: don't give amount in the ingredients, or the balance is off,
Speaker 8: like use two tablespoons of anchovy paste, no thank you.
Speaker 8: Plus the recipes usually make like fifteen sandwiches and about you.
Speaker 8: But I don't like dividing things by fifteen. So for
Speaker 8: the book, what I did is I adapted the recipes.
Speaker 8: I tested them so that they would make one sandwich,
Speaker 8: put in the amounts, test to what the amount should be,
Speaker 8: dialed back some, and just put together like a good
Speaker 8: cross section of sandwiches and history. Both the International Club
Speaker 8: Sandwiches just fun sandwiches, and included an original sandwich that
Speaker 8: I created as well.
Speaker 2: Oh god, well what sandwich is that? What do you
Speaker 2: call that?
Speaker 8: It's called the Dusty Nutter Goose. It was a a
Speaker 8: friend of mine who develops role playing games was launching
Speaker 8: one called Landavimi said hey, would you make a sandwich
Speaker 8: and honor?
Speaker 7: And I said sure.
Speaker 8: So I put this together and it's gonna sound insane.
Speaker 8: Okay if you think about the if you think about
Speaker 8: the flavor profiles, it works. So frozen waffle, peanut butter, smoke,
Speaker 8: duck breast and cherry pop rocks.
Speaker 2: Whoa, I get the cherry and the duck breast. That
Speaker 2: that works together? Calling our fronds. Yeah, you know what, Actually,
Speaker 2: it's one of those things you like that this is
Speaker 2: gonna be It's probably awesome.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's well, I think it's I think it's a
Speaker 8: lot of fun. I think those flavors definitely do work together.
Speaker 8: I've had I've had that before and I thought it was, like,
Speaker 8: you know, it's it's for kids who are buying a
Speaker 8: role playing game. How do you make it fun? To
Speaker 8: make the cherry pop rocks.
Speaker 2: Where you getting your pop rocks supply from?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 8: Uh, well, I don't know. I just found uh at
Speaker 8: a candy store okay here in Cleveland yesterday.
Speaker 2: All right, nice, Yeah, it's that's kind of fun. I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen pop rocks in a long time.
Speaker 8: It's yeah, a specific gotcha, it's focused entirely on candy
Speaker 8: because they're not at seven.
Speaker 2: Eleven right right, Yeah, you don't have them there either,
Speaker 2: not UDF anymore. Yeah, because you know, every kid would
Speaker 2: get pop rocks and coke and try to kill themselves
Speaker 2: and it never worked. Yeah, like Mike, yeah, right right,
Speaker 2: just to your head. It doesn't make it doesn't make
Speaker 2: your head explode.
Speaker 5: It off.
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, I mentioned a cucumber tea sandwich
Speaker 2: that fascinated What exact is it just cucumbers? Uh with
Speaker 2: with like mayonnaise on them?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 2: What's are they? I just pictures there's a little tiny
Speaker 2: slices of cucumber made in the sandwiches.
Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you what, since they don't have a
Speaker 8: memorize and I'll look it up.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, damn, all right, I've heard that before though.
Speaker 2: You kind of jogged my memories. Like you see like
Speaker 2: the watercress sandwiches, and I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so the cucumber sandwich is just sliced thinly sliced
Speaker 8: cucumber in between, with a little salt, pepper, lemon juice
Speaker 8: in between, buttered bread. It's just meant it's like a
Speaker 8: light snack. It's not meant to be like something like
Speaker 8: here's your lunch. But you could make it into something
Speaker 8: more substantial with like shamp or avocado to because those
Speaker 8: will go well with those flavors. Gotchall so, but it's
Speaker 8: definitely a tea or a snack sandwich.
Speaker 2: I see a sandwich here called hot chicken a tuna,
Speaker 2: the hot chicken tuna sandwich. Is that just shredded chicken
Speaker 2: to be made like tuna? Or are we taking the
Speaker 2: sea and the foul and mixing them together?
Speaker 8: The hot chicken tuna sandwich, I remember correctly, that is
Speaker 8: from the seventies. Okay, let me take a look at that,
Speaker 8: because again I don't have these memorized.
Speaker 2: I got you, sorry for putting me on the spot here,
Speaker 2: Barry and Wick. I don't expect you to memorize ten
Speaker 2: thousand sandwiches you've done over the last number of years
Speaker 2: on Instagram. I get that I've turned this into like
Speaker 2: the sixty minutes of sandwiches for crying out loud.
Speaker 8: It's good. Yeah, you're holding my feet to the fire. Okay, good. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So it's uh boy, you mix. Yeah, you you basically
Speaker 8: mix together tuna, green belt pepper onion soup mix and
Speaker 8: cheddar cheese. Uh and you put that into in between
Speaker 8: bread and then you spoon on top of a mixture
Speaker 8: of uh uh chicken cream of chicken soup. It's got
Speaker 8: some herbs, you know, other than the then you bake it. Wow,
Speaker 8: and it's actually pretty tasty. You got a little skill
Speaker 8: peppery gun top, is it?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 8: That?
Speaker 2: Because that is like the most fifty sixty seventies conveniency
Speaker 2: crap I've ever heard. Right there, you're taking like.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the original original seventy four. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like I remember, like you hear like the Benny
Speaker 2: Crocker stuff like back in the day, and that's when
Speaker 2: women were coming there, and it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't want. I'm not gonna go out and do
Speaker 2: laundrying in a in a creek somewhere and baked bread
Speaker 2: from scratch. I'm gonna die, you know what. I'm getting
Speaker 2: some drugs and I'm gonna watch TV, and I mean,
Speaker 2: here's a here's a TV dinner scurry.
Speaker 7: You know, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 8: I was gonna say, yeah, like seventy four was wild man,
Speaker 8: it was. It was the seventies were all about convenience
Speaker 8: and so it's cansa this, cans of that, for sure.
Speaker 2: He is Barry w Enderwick. Join him on ig at
Speaker 2: Sandwiches of History. It's the Sandwiches of History cookbook that's
Speaker 2: out right now, fascinating. He cooks a new sandwich every
Speaker 2: day and has done so for the last number of years. Barry,
Speaker 2: all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning.
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you, had a great time. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: All all right, if I have any breaking sandwich news
Speaker 2: in the world, I'm calling you first. You know this, right,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you on immediately.
Speaker 8: You got it, I'll get a red phone.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. See you, buddy, Take care of Barry
Speaker 2: w Nderwick on the Scott's Loan Show with my boy Sonjay.
Speaker 2: Next Scott's Loan seven hundred WW Thursday Morning, Scott's Loan
Speaker 2: show continues on seven hundred WLW. One of our newer
Speaker 2: features here is health, Wellness Fitness, and he is a
Speaker 2: er doctor and he pops in every Thursday morning. This time, Sanjay,
Speaker 2: good morning. How are you Jim Crimani of course in
Speaker 2: the studio this morning. How's life?
Speaker 5: Life is good? How's it treating you right now?
Speaker 2: Let's do it fine? How busy were you with the
Speaker 2: deep freeze slash deep snow we had?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 10: I yeah, I worked the whole weekend through the snow,
Speaker 10: had to trudge up both both there and back again,
Speaker 10: uphill both ways.
Speaker 2: If you were wondering, right, but it was, you know,
Speaker 2: the roads were rough.
Speaker 10: But once he got there, I think everyone else realized
Speaker 10: that too, and I saw very few patients. Wow, okay,
Speaker 10: it's unfortunately everyone was smart and stayed inside for the
Speaker 10: most part too.
Speaker 2: Damn col to go to work, let alone go outside
Speaker 2: and do stuff.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 10: It was, but I'm glad, you know, people listened to
Speaker 10: the news and the warnings and everything because it showed
Speaker 10: even like, well, I was in Westchester, so I didn't
Speaker 10: see any Santacon Santas, but I'm I'm hoping they were
Speaker 10: all okay too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder how many how many Santas were presenting downtown.
Speaker 2: It's right because because it's snowing, it's icy, it's cold,
Speaker 2: and you had alcohol to the mix and the big
Speaker 2: groups of people. I could only imagine the stories well.
Speaker 10: And the worst thing would be if you go in
Speaker 10: Saturday night because you're a Santa, and then you stay
Speaker 10: in the er all night and you're leaving Sunday morning
Speaker 10: still addressed as Sanna. Imagine that walk of shame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a huge walk of shop. Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 2: I know you wanted to talk about New Year's resolutions
Speaker 2: or resolutions. People often first of the year kick it
Speaker 2: and go that's it, this is the year, this is
Speaker 2: I got all these resolutions. Would you say the top
Speaker 2: of the list one is getting healthier in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six for people?
Speaker 5: Is that the big one?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Most things usually have to do with getting healthy, whether
Speaker 10: it be working out more, eating better, and those are
Speaker 10: those are the two that really dominate it. But even
Speaker 10: you know, getting getting more social and spending more times
Speaker 10: with friends is another one, and then better money spending,
Speaker 10: they're all in there.
Speaker 2: You have a New Year's resolution for yourself.
Speaker 10: I have yet to think about it fully, I'm I
Speaker 10: do a little weird things so long because I used
Speaker 10: to do resolutions and they always failed, and you know,
Speaker 10: we'll talk about why that probably.
Speaker 5: Happened for me.
Speaker 10: But now I do have more of how do I
Speaker 10: want to be as opposed to where do I want
Speaker 10: to be? And so it's more about behaviors and actions
Speaker 10: for me. But that's just how I do it.
Speaker 8: What do you? What about you?
Speaker 2: I tend to set the bar very low, Like example,
Speaker 2: I set him to start smoking crack first of the year,
Speaker 2: and then if I if I don't do it, then
Speaker 2: it's like I feel like I've accomplished something. Yeah, well done. Yeah,
Speaker 2: hopefully hopefully you reach that goal. Yeah this year, I'm
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna do I'm I'm gonna start smoking.
Speaker 2: My goal is to gain thirty pounds this year. And
Speaker 2: you're like, don't. It's like, because again, if you like,
Speaker 2: you're a high expectation guy, you're you're a learned physician,
Speaker 2: you're a healthy you know in a gym, you have
Speaker 2: all these things. I just set the bar and remerca
Speaker 2: so low and you can always hop over it.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, actually you're tapping into something they're slow
Speaker 10: because like maybe not thirty pounds, you know, in the
Speaker 10: year to gain, but but still, like setting the bar
Speaker 10: low is important, and I think that's where a lot
Speaker 10: of people get it wrong.
Speaker 1: You know, the.
Speaker 11: Donja why why push yourself? You don't have tonna go
Speaker 11: too far. You're gonna fall off a cliff. But if
Speaker 11: you push yourself lightly, you may just stay on the
Speaker 11: edge and and continue to ramp up your life. Right right, Okay,
Speaker 11: you know this is the year. It's like, okay, ihe
Speaker 11: didn't rob a bank this year, don't I deserve something?
Speaker 2: I mean, much better than the last year?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: Fantastic? Well, right, exactly. Yeah, And it's part of the
Speaker 2: problem though, Seriously, you set the bar so high. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is it. I'm gonna I'm gonna lose thirty pounds
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna work out five days a week, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm saying I'm gonna save a third of
Speaker 2: my income and like all these unreasonable, impossible goals.
Speaker 10: Oh, there's a few things there that you just named,
Speaker 10: so like use the and word. And so we oftentimes
Speaker 10: choose a lot of goals to start our year because
Speaker 10: we're ready and it's all in good faith and we
Speaker 10: mean to do well. But when you do too much
Speaker 10: and try to aim for too much, both with how
Speaker 10: many things you want to do and how much you
Speaker 10: want to do, you're setting yourself up for failure. So
Speaker 10: the better thing is choose one thing, choose one thing
Speaker 10: that you want to make better, and then don't rely
Speaker 10: on willpower alone. So a lot of us are just like,
Speaker 10: I'm just gonna, you know, be healthier this year and
Speaker 10: never eat anything fat for the next three hundred and
Speaker 10: sixty five days, and it's like it's not going to happen.
Speaker 10: And so those are the those are some of the
Speaker 10: early pitfalls we see as far as resolutions go. The
Speaker 10: other one being were oftentimes just very vague. I'm going
Speaker 10: to be healthier, what does that mean? And so it's
Speaker 10: it's actually tying that to what, you know, what what
Speaker 10: does this really look like to you? And it doesn't
Speaker 10: have to be I have to lose thirty pounds and
Speaker 10: I have to do this, and I have to do this,
Speaker 10: just just one thing, you know, And then it's the
Speaker 10: how you want to do it, so like the specific
Speaker 10: behaviors you want to do. And then I always like
Speaker 10: thinking about the why, so the what, the how, the
Speaker 10: why and really why not just because I want to
Speaker 10: be healthier. It's like, well, why do I want to
Speaker 10: be healthier? Well, I want to move a little bit better.
Speaker 10: Why do I want to move better?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 10: I want to be better for my children, so I
Speaker 10: can play with them till I'm ninety five. And now
Speaker 10: we're getting to the emotional stuff that will actually drive
Speaker 10: you interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, So find an emotion component of just like, hey,
Speaker 2: I want to loose go out because i'm you know,
Speaker 2: I want my clothes to fit better. But there's their
Speaker 2: self esteem issues there as well. Typically it's diet, exercise.
Speaker 2: Maybe finance is coming to play here as well. But
Speaker 2: you can only do so much, as the bottom line,
Speaker 2: only do so much, and like, you know, give yourself
Speaker 2: some grace. There's a reason that everyone fails their New
Speaker 2: Year's resolution. Ninety percent of people do not follow through
Speaker 2: on the New year's resolutions. But it's not because the
Speaker 2: goals are bad, right, It's because the systems aren't, you know,
Speaker 2: great for you. It's like Einstein's thing of you know,
Speaker 2: the definition of insanity is doing the same thing the
Speaker 2: same way over and over again and expecting different results, right,
Speaker 2: You got to change the system if you want to
Speaker 2: get results. It's not you're not You're not shooting poorly,
Speaker 2: you're just you know, able to continue that matterphor you
Speaker 2: know the basketball the baskets just said at the wrong height,
Speaker 2: all right, relative to that, you have reasonable exotiations going in.
Speaker 2: I get that. But the failure rate is always so
Speaker 2: damn high. That's that's part. But how long does it
Speaker 2: take to establish because you if you're going to do it,
Speaker 2: you got to make a comitment. And how long before
Speaker 2: it becomes a habit, a good habit.
Speaker 10: So really, if you want to at least start and
Speaker 10: start the wheels really turning on their own, it starts
Speaker 10: with the first twenty one days. Yeah, if you can
Speaker 10: get past the first twenty one days, your chances are
Speaker 10: much higher. Suddenly, quitting day in January, that'll be the
Speaker 10: second Friday in January. That's when most people's resolutions fail.
Speaker 5: It goes away.
Speaker 10: You're heading into the second week end of the year.
Speaker 10: The steam kind of runs out, and so it is
Speaker 10: your willpower.
Speaker 2: The newness of the whole thing is like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to be sore again tomorrow, and I think you know
Speaker 2: when it comes to exercise, and that's your specialty, that soreness.
Speaker 2: It takes a while before it turns into a good soreness.
Speaker 2: You know, what I'm saying is initially your overwhelmed maneuver,
Speaker 2: because you know you're lengthening your tendons before muscles get them.
Speaker 2: You're not seeing any progress. It's awfully difficult. You're sore
Speaker 2: for a while. How long does that last? If you're
Speaker 2: looking to do a fitness.
Speaker 10: Routeam that soreness will get better over you know, the
Speaker 10: first three months. So we say it revive, which is
Speaker 10: my gym, give us three months, give us three months
Speaker 10: so that you see results. After one month, you're going
Speaker 10: to be feeling better. After three months you're going to
Speaker 10: start really seeing it and feeling it. And so we
Speaker 10: aim for that, and we ask for that dedication from
Speaker 10: our clients to give us that and also give it
Speaker 10: to themselves of one, giving themselves grace, but also giving
Speaker 10: you know, giving us the faith that they're in it.
Speaker 10: And in three months we'll see and we promise, yeah.
Speaker 2: Twenty one days though it's like, Okay, I get through
Speaker 2: the first twenty one days. It's a habit now. But
Speaker 2: it's awfully difficult. And this is why exercise sucks. It's
Speaker 2: because when you first start, you know, we've been doing
Speaker 2: it for a while, but when you first start, man,
Speaker 2: that soreness is real and it's persistent. You just got
Speaker 2: to got to fight through that pain.
Speaker 10: It's painful. But no, also, no, if you're going to start,
Speaker 10: you know, exercising this year, No, it's universal.
Speaker 5: You're not alone.
Speaker 10: This happens to everyone, and it's a question. That's when
Speaker 10: I kind of dig into that why well, why am
Speaker 10: I doing this?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 10: And that sometimes that emotion battles that pain emotion and
Speaker 10: wins out. And that's what I hope for almost every
Speaker 10: time I go to the gym, because I will say
Speaker 10: that I still have a lot of inertia when it
Speaker 10: comes to the gym, but I say, you know, this
Speaker 10: is for my own betterment so that I can serve
Speaker 10: other people better. And that's why I hit the gym.
Speaker 10: Everyone's going to have their own reasons, right. I want
Speaker 10: to feel my best so I can be my best.
Speaker 7: For the people.
Speaker 2: Typically, also, folks go in without a plan when it
Speaker 2: comes to that, and it doesn't have to be you know,
Speaker 2: and it's age appropriate Now, the younger you start, the
Speaker 2: better off it is. You heal faster, you recover, and
Speaker 2: now you build a pattern for life. But if you
Speaker 2: is it too late in your fifties and sixties? Never
Speaker 2: I started.
Speaker 10: I mean this may sound young and relative to the
Speaker 10: numbers you just gave, but I started when I was
Speaker 10: thirty eight. I was completely out of shape at that
Speaker 10: point and I started them. But we have a ton
Speaker 10: of people coming to the gym when they're sixties, seventies
Speaker 10: even and just want to feel better, and so it's
Speaker 10: never too late. It's but to your point of not
Speaker 10: having a plan as a problem, and so that's the
Speaker 10: importance of potentially having a coach. I mean, if you
Speaker 10: don't have the money for a coach, though chatchypt is free,
Speaker 10: what you could do just throw something into AI and say,
Speaker 10: I want to have a sustainable habit to get more
Speaker 10: fit this year with strength training. Can you devise something
Speaker 10: with some habits that I can do this year to
Speaker 10: feel better and that you know, let AI go for it.
Speaker 2: And be as specific as you want.
Speaker 10: I'm doing this because I want to lift up my grandchildren,
Speaker 10: and can you devise a plan for me?
Speaker 2: And AI will do that for you and you can
Speaker 2: even factor and it's like, oh, also, by the way,
Speaker 2: I had my shoulder replaced and my left knee is bad,
Speaker 2: and can you and they'll they'll build in alternatives and
Speaker 2: different mechanisms for you to get to reach your goal.
Speaker 2: It's really cool. It is cool.
Speaker 5: So you have that.
Speaker 10: I mean, I do prefer in person. And that was
Speaker 10: one of the biggest reasons I got a coach seven
Speaker 10: years ago, was have accountability. And this there's actually it shows.
Speaker 10: So if you write down a goal, it'll increase your
Speaker 10: chance of following through on your promise to yourself by
Speaker 10: like fifty percent. If you tell someone about it, it's
Speaker 10: about a two thirds increase. So you're like, it's you know,
Speaker 10: sixty seven percent more likely. But if you actually have
Speaker 10: an accountability person, whether it be a coach that you
Speaker 10: have to go to, someone you check in with, a
Speaker 10: class that you sign up for, if you if you
Speaker 10: have to do something for something else, it's about ninety
Speaker 10: five percent. So if you if you have a coach,
Speaker 10: you're you're setting yourself up because you know, if you
Speaker 10: do devise your own plan with AI uh, there's there's
Speaker 10: a chance you'll succeed. But having a person that you're
Speaker 10: a smart, you know, accountable to really helped. But you
Speaker 10: can also you know, and again YouTube is a great
Speaker 10: to learn how to do the exerciy And that's the thing.
Speaker 10: Form is and function that's very you can get seriously
Speaker 10: hurt right if you're not doing it right or you
Speaker 10: think you know what you're doing, because you're still the
Speaker 10: amount of people walk into a gym and go okay,
Speaker 10: I got my gym membership and there's yeah, you're not
Speaker 10: thinking the results you want. You're also a chance you're
Speaker 10: gonna get hurt too as well, and you have to
Speaker 10: come up with a plan. It's so easy to do
Speaker 10: it now with chat, GPT and YouTube you can learn
Speaker 10: how to do the exercises correctly. Sign Jay shape Cremani
Speaker 10: our doctor and fitness guy in the Scotland show Pops
Speaker 10: in every Thursday morning. We're talking about New Year's resolutions
Speaker 10: and fitness probably at the top of the list. Fitness
Speaker 10: and finance is probably the big two for people. We
Speaker 10: can only do one thing. We're not talking money with
Speaker 10: Sanja here. What about picking an actual gym?
Speaker 2: Now you say okay, you guys offer personal training and
Speaker 2: coaching and that's going to be more expensive. There's gyms
Speaker 2: out there you can get like ten bucks a month. Right,
Speaker 2: If that's you and you're like, Okay, I want to
Speaker 2: do something or just go out and so walking whatever
Speaker 2: it might be, let's talk about that, Jim. What do
Speaker 2: you look for in a program or a gym? What
Speaker 2: should someone going the first time? What should I look for?
Speaker 5: So it really depends what your goals are.
Speaker 10: If you're well versed in exercise and you just want
Speaker 10: a place to lift weights and do stuff, yeah, sure,
Speaker 10: a Planet Fitness or a you know, group gym is fine.
Speaker 10: CrossFit for those that are younger and want to do
Speaker 10: that kind of thing, Yeah, there is the operative there.
Speaker 10: I mean there are certainly people they are older, but
Speaker 10: you have to have some experience in that if you're
Speaker 10: going to be in your forties and fifties. Unless it's
Speaker 10: a CrossFit gym that does more attention, it's you know,
Speaker 10: the reason we built an individualized training gym where everyone
Speaker 10: gets their own program is we see that everyone's different.
Speaker 10: Everyone has their own goals, and everybody needs a different
Speaker 10: sort of degree of attention, and everyone has different motivations.
Speaker 10: So we see the habits play out in real life
Speaker 10: and like we lean into that. So I mean it's
Speaker 10: a complicated question. I'll tell you that like the bigger
Speaker 10: gyms name names, but the huge gyms they rely on
Speaker 10: people just to sign up. If you're paying ten bucks
Speaker 10: a month, if all of their people came in, they
Speaker 10: would have trouble. They rely on people signing up and
Speaker 10: probably quitting by the second February, still in January and
Speaker 10: still paying. I would recommend going to a place that
Speaker 10: you want to keep coming back to, and that's what
Speaker 10: I would look for, you know, the vibe for lack
Speaker 10: of a better term, but also the workouts and the
Speaker 10: gains you're getting, and so things are going to be
Speaker 10: built differently to what you want. You know, there's there're
Speaker 10: a running programs out there if you just want to run,
Speaker 10: But what we also know is strenth training is important
Speaker 10: for running. So you want to do both. And so
Speaker 10: it really depends on the people that surround you. The
Speaker 10: carry you get, and how much attention you need. I'd
Speaker 10: say are the most important along with your goal specifically,
Speaker 10: and if that if that gym you know, focuses on that.
Speaker 2: Also if you're new to gym, wipe it down. If
Speaker 2: you touch it, and also put your damn white to it.
Speaker 2: Rack your whites, would you please, please? Thank you please?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: And also the good look too. I think you carry
Speaker 2: around a giant duffel bag that could carry human in it.
Speaker 2: Drag it around on the floor, get some powder for
Speaker 2: your hands, spread that all over the place. And you
Speaker 2: also need a gallon jugg of water to carry with you.
Speaker 2: Those are the three big things.
Speaker 10: Don't forget your selfie stick so that you can film
Speaker 10: every moment right.
Speaker 2: Right right now. All bring luggage with them in a
Speaker 2: gym is like, what do you have in this giant bag?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It does clear a room though, So if they're just
Speaker 2: looking for a space, good for you. The people that
Speaker 2: bring the more stuff they bring with them, like supplies
Speaker 2: and big you know, you can get a court bottle
Speaker 2: and fill the four times. Yeah, I'm not good at math,
Speaker 2: but I know that much. It's like the more stuff
Speaker 2: they bring with the less work. It seems like they
Speaker 2: actually do right well.
Speaker 10: I mean, they're just preparing for the apocalypse and so
Speaker 10: if that comes, they'll be good to go.
Speaker 2: Scares people away too good. And I will point out
Speaker 2: in closing her because I know we got to go again,
Speaker 2: age appropriate, right, So you're not going to try to
Speaker 2: put up to twenty five thirty times if you're sixty,
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Speaker 10: Yeah, again, you know, the most important things if you're
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Speaker 2: Easy part is if you keep that up to push
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Speaker 2: in ninety days. Sign J Shafercrimani. He's our resident eer
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Speaker 2: LW buried in the news and quite a bit of
Speaker 2: news for us. The allegedly slow cycle right. More domestic
Speaker 2: terrorism aplot dis erupted. FBI arrested four people as part
Speaker 2: of a radical pro Palestini extremist group, arrested for planning
Speaker 2: an attack on New Year's Even Los Angeles. They caught
Speaker 2: them with IEDs that they're making complex pipe bombs with
Speaker 2: The FBI said they're going to target five separate locations
Speaker 2: on Christmas Eve if across the Los Angeles, including two
Speaker 2: big US companies as well as ice agent's vehicle and
Speaker 2: the like. And so if you look at domestic terrorism,
Speaker 2: you know, in our lifetime, if you're a little bit
Speaker 2: older anyway, you call terrorism from abroad right nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And we are clearly in the age of
Speaker 2: domestic terrorism. Over the last ten years, investigations have grown
Speaker 2: over three hundred and fifty percent, and in that time period,
Speaker 2: investing open investigations, meaning there's probable cause more than quadrupled.
Speaker 2: Mark Nzilaco's here. He is a former director of the
Speaker 2: International Studies Program at the University of Dayton, also founder
Speaker 2: the Human Rights Studies Program there. Mark, Welcome back to
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 7: How are you fine.
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For those who you know, we're worried about foreign terrorism,
Speaker 2: it's domestic terrorism. It's been the story of the narrative
Speaker 2: for a lot longer than that. What do we know
Speaker 2: about this group, the Turtle Island Liberation Front, the TILF.
Speaker 2: It sounds almost like a I don't know, a Clancy novel, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that kind of name alone strikes me as
Speaker 2: Turtle Island Liberation Front, very left wing, very terroristic group.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I had that one wasn't on my radar because
Speaker 6: it's it's small, and you're correct, the name, the Turtle
Speaker 6: Islands Freedom Front. It doesn't inspire, you know, it sounds like,
Speaker 6: you know, I don't know, vacation spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and seems from what I thought about the explosives
Speaker 6: that there was they had gone to the desert that
Speaker 6: brought precursor chemicals, uh to make either them all multile
Speaker 6: cocktails or id. They did not seem to be sophisticated,
Speaker 6: very sophisticated explosive devices. I don't want to downplay them
Speaker 6: at all, but they don't seem like the truck bombs
Speaker 6: of you know, uh uh, you know the truck bombs
Speaker 6: of Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: They were just basic black powder, weren't they.
Speaker 6: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: And you know, their their operational securities not very good.
Speaker 6: The f I can track them complain things, and I don't,
Speaker 6: but I don't want to just mean, don't diminish the threat.
Speaker 6: We thought for a decade or so that the rise
Speaker 6: of sort of neo Nazi type right wing extremists, anti government,
Speaker 6: anti immigrant, antisemitic groups. But no, the left wing groups
Speaker 6: is still out there, particularly after Hamas launched this homicidal attack.
Speaker 6: It's genocidal attack from Gaza. There's been increases of antistemic
Speaker 6: violence threats. Hell, we had firebomb on the mayor, the
Speaker 6: governor of Pennsylvania. So yeah, the threat of wrestling extreament
Speaker 6: has always been out there. It's incredible you said it
Speaker 6: this last time I was on your program. Step When
Speaker 6: you look at the number of.
Speaker 7: People, the percentage in the thirties.
Speaker 6: Who believe that political violence is justifiable and this is
Speaker 6: a time for political lives, I think that's thirty percent
Speaker 6: of the population thinking about using violence to settle political grievances.
Speaker 2: It's amazing we got in that era, and so with
Speaker 2: this TLF group that their ideology is basically free Palestine,
Speaker 2: free Hawaii, free Puerto Rico, and free the world from
Speaker 2: American imperialism. By blowing up targets in Los Angeles, one
Speaker 2: just scratches their head. Is someone outside this going hot?
Speaker 2: How do you connect all those dusts together to the point, well,
Speaker 2: we're going to free Hawaii, which is a state, free
Speaker 2: Puerto Rico by blowing up Los Angeles. You just wonder
Speaker 2: what kind of world these people live in. And that's
Speaker 2: a scary part. Is there a when they investigate these people?
Speaker 2: Is there a mental component to this thing? Because it
Speaker 2: sounds crazy.
Speaker 6: You know, it's very difficult to understand the causes of it.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 6: I believed for a very long time that ideas and
Speaker 6: ideologies are behind the violence. You know that the lies
Speaker 6: can kill, whether they're coming from the propaganda's coming from
Speaker 6: the left or the right. But you're seeing something about
Speaker 6: many of the perpetrators. People are a wrestler or people
Speaker 6: commit these crimes are they're socially isolated, they're narcissistic, and
Speaker 6: they're rehilistic.
Speaker 7: They didn't believe in nothing.
Speaker 6: And but and there's some joy they can get some
Speaker 6: sense of personal satisfaction they derive from belonging to some
Speaker 6: organization a Total Island Liberation Front. I mean, for christ sakes,
Speaker 6: it gives gives one a sense of purpose, a sense
Speaker 6: of meaning, and and and and so it's a deep
Speaker 6: psychological and sociological problem that those of us who study
Speaker 6: domestic terrorism are trying to understand and trying to come
Speaker 6: to terms with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you Markin's lucky. You put these people
Speaker 2: out there and give them a browser, uh, and they
Speaker 2: find each other. And that that really is the problem
Speaker 2: that's are seeing a rise in all this because now
Speaker 2: you may have the most crazy views in the world
Speaker 2: about stuff, whether it's terrorism, whether it's I don't know,
Speaker 2: sexual proclivities, anything like that. You can find kindred spirits
Speaker 2: online and form a group.
Speaker 7: Yeah, certainly true.
Speaker 6: You know when you see these these small little groups
Speaker 6: that are very amateuristic, right, that scares me.
Speaker 7: It worries me deeply.
Speaker 6: But you talk about communicating to one another, I'd rather
Speaker 6: have a conspiracy of five, six, seven people because the
Speaker 6: more people are involved in conspiracy, more likely the authorities
Speaker 6: can discover it. What really terrifies me is the true
Speaker 6: lone wolf. Whether they're inspired by isis like these people
Speaker 6: in Australia, or inspired by something else, they act alone,
Speaker 6: and the radicalization is is deep. It's linked to psychological
Speaker 6: issues as well. They come from me, to come from
Speaker 6: dysfunctional families, and that is a phenomenon that's very difficult
Speaker 6: for us to monitor, particularly in the society like ours
Speaker 6: that believes in you know, freedom, so civil liberties. So
Speaker 6: we're you know, body Beach scares the.
Speaker 7: Heck out of me.
Speaker 6: We we had that right in twenty eighteen, right the
Speaker 6: Tree of Life in Pittsburgh eleven dead by a lone person,
Speaker 6: Robert Power. So what we just saw linked to a
Speaker 6: Helica celebration is to people myself monitor this very very disconcerting.
Speaker 7: Very frightening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doctor Mark Anziolaco, University of Dayon, former International
Speaker 2: Studies program director, also a founder Human Rights Studies program,
Speaker 2: expert in political terrorism. And as we're talking about today
Speaker 2: with the thwarted plot in Los Angeles New Year's Eve,
Speaker 2: five separate locations in LA targeted by this Turtle Island
Speaker 2: Liberation Front groom, extreme left wing group. We're making IEDs
Speaker 2: in the desert or stopped by the FBI because of
Speaker 2: the work of a confidential inflorment. Of course, you know,
Speaker 2: we just had the Bondi Beach shooting, the massacre there,
Speaker 2: and we talk about domestic terrorism this morning, which has
Speaker 2: been a concern now for the past decade and a
Speaker 2: half at least. We've gone from international terrorism to domestic
Speaker 2: terrorism now. And for the reasons we've just described, this
Speaker 2: group plan mark to attack corporate targets two US companies
Speaker 2: opposed to like government buildings. And you know, obviously the
Speaker 2: ICE was involved in this too as well. It's not
Speaker 2: solely based on corporate targets as well, but attacking capitalist
Speaker 2: infrastructure rather than people. Are they following like is that indicay,
Speaker 2: Like they're following a specific playbook here or they just
Speaker 2: determined that these two s companies, for whatever reason, were
Speaker 2: easier targets. Or take us through what you think might
Speaker 2: the selection process might be.
Speaker 6: Well, this is very similar to the domestic terrorism in
Speaker 6: the nineteen seventies, which was driven by the left right.
Speaker 6: So you had the weather underground, the weather man organizations
Speaker 6: like this. Remember they blew up a townhouse in Manhattan
Speaker 6: when they're making a bomb and malfunction and it was
Speaker 6: killed in next Dustin's. Dustin Hoffman's apartment was right next
Speaker 6: to the So these people were out there. So they
Speaker 6: had this crazy ideology that capitalism. They're Marxists, right, So
Speaker 6: capitalism is the root of all evil, and that means
Speaker 6: corporate capitalism, and so you turn corporations and the letter
Speaker 6: bombs were sent to major corporations, and of course symbols
Speaker 6: of American imperialism, the military, right, the Pentagon, your bomb,
Speaker 6: the Penttheon. I remember having a conversation with Bernard A.
Speaker 6: Dorn was convicted of planting a bomb at the Pentegon
Speaker 6: to get into her ideology.
Speaker 7: So there was this crazy idea.
Speaker 6: You know, you said a minute ago, how do you
Speaker 6: link free Puerto Rico to free to liberally what they can.
Speaker 7: Their ideology is such.
Speaker 6: They can for us, it takes leaps and bounds to
Speaker 6: move from one idea to the other. That they all
Speaker 6: blown together, so that I'm worried about. You know, we
Speaker 6: saw a while back the alone individual shoots to Dad
Speaker 6: Healthcare CEO in New York. Because you're striking a blow.
Speaker 6: You're striking a blow for the revolution. The language, you know,
Speaker 6: I study of their language. You know these are crimes,
Speaker 6: these are revolutionary acts, right or they're armed propaganda. I
Speaker 6: mean they've they've got a vocabulary, an entire glossary of
Speaker 6: ideas that justify violence. And you read their their, their their,
Speaker 6: there's statements right there. They're community case, they're absurd, they're ridiculous.
Speaker 6: But yeah, you know, for a long time, if I
Speaker 6: talked about this several times, the threat has been on
Speaker 6: the right, the anti Semitic groups and neo Nazi groups,
Speaker 6: the anti immigration groups. But hey, lefs still out there,
Speaker 6: and there's reasons to strike a blow for the revolutionism.
Speaker 2: Do we see do we see the pendulum swing in
Speaker 2: these times? Mark Ensilaco in that when you have a
Speaker 2: democrat or democrats solgic control of the government, uh, that
Speaker 2: you start to see arise on the right of domestic terrorism,
Speaker 2: and conversely, when it appears Republicans control everything, those on
Speaker 2: the left rise up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good, workable hypothesis, and it's not quite
Speaker 6: as simple as that, but yeah, I mean when, for example,
Speaker 6: when Barack Obama was elected I heard African American was
Speaker 6: elected president.
Speaker 7: Uh, you saw a.
Speaker 6: Rapid increase in the numbers of individuals who joined either
Speaker 6: anti Semitic groups, no Nazi groups or whatever. So there
Speaker 6: was that reaction to the sort of unpresident thing of
Speaker 6: an African American becoming uh remember the brother lie right,
Speaker 6: the birther stuff, he's false, right, Yeah, So that that
Speaker 6: that narrative provides the basis.
Speaker 7: For a justification of the violent tacts. So yes, I mainly.
Speaker 5: How to put this, I.
Speaker 6: Think we're not seeing a real number increase the number
Speaker 6: of left wing groups, but it's it's quite possible. It's
Speaker 6: quite most of the violence lately has.
Speaker 2: Been has been on the right right, Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 2: it is because of that's starting to go the other
Speaker 2: way and both those groups on the right and left
Speaker 2: can touch hands because of their unhinged beliefs and whatever.
Speaker 2: Vilification isn't that comes from the candidates and politics too,
Speaker 2: party system as well. Is your job is to vilify
Speaker 2: the other side, and then there are people on the
Speaker 2: extremes and the margins that take that to an extreme level,
Speaker 2: and they just continue to fuel it when they talk
Speaker 2: about you know, you know, attacking or killing your opponents.
Speaker 2: The other thing going to hear too, Mark, I wanted
Speaker 2: to bring this up is most speaking of terrorism, Trump
Speaker 2: just designated Venezuela a foreign terrorist organization and ordered a
Speaker 2: blockade of all US anction oil tanker service in the country.
Speaker 2: Kind of an escalation in this to a degree in
Speaker 2: Venezuela just came out of the blue as to the
Speaker 2: threat that they pose. And I think what is clearly
Speaker 2: what's going on here, and tell me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: is that the pretext is drugs. Because we all hate
Speaker 2: drugs or anti drug we foreign drugs, ventanyls killing our society,
Speaker 2: it's universally condemned. We target drug boats first. That provides
Speaker 2: our on political and military cover because you know, administrations
Speaker 2: have found broad public support for actions against drug traffickers
Speaker 2: and drug dealers. And so now we've moved to the
Speaker 2: oil confiscation control part, which was probably the whole reason
Speaker 2: we did this in the first place.
Speaker 6: True, Well, this Venezuelan situation is puzzling and it's worrisome.
Speaker 6: You know, the war on drugs, Yeah, Sentinel is killing
Speaker 6: Americans by the thousands, and yet the President United States
Speaker 6: pardons the former president Honduras who had turned Honduras into
Speaker 6: an arco state.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's inexplicable to me.
Speaker 6: Americans need to play attention to what's going to slow
Speaker 6: burn in Venezuela, particularly MAGA supporters who sincerely wanted the
Speaker 6: United States out of endless wars. Well, it looks like
Speaker 6: the President's dragging us into a regional war. Now, granted,
Speaker 6: Venezuela won't take along the over throw off the Marines land,
Speaker 6: but the naval, the military build up is incredible.
Speaker 7: And you know, look, we will give you a piece
Speaker 7: of news that was buried the sky.
Speaker 6: A blue a jet, a passenger jet, was flying from
Speaker 6: Corsaw to New York and US Air Force fuel refueling
Speaker 6: tanker cut it off with the m two miles over
Speaker 6: twenty seconds from mirror collision. But the plane had its
Speaker 6: transponder off and wasn't pinged. It was involved in a
Speaker 6: clandestine operation military so when you nearly had a mid
Speaker 6: air collision related to remember president said a few weeks
Speaker 6: ago that airlines should consider the airspace in Venezuela's off
Speaker 6: limits as too dangerous. I mean, what's going on is.
Speaker 7: Something that needs to be paid attention to. Yeah, but.
Speaker 6: Clearly the oil is meant to bring pressure on Cuba
Speaker 6: and around.
Speaker 7: In North Korea too.
Speaker 6: So on the one hand, you got the shootings of
Speaker 6: the boats, get the boat singings. Three more well, in
Speaker 6: the last few days, three more boats were blown up
Speaker 6: by our aircraft. But now so there's that that's one drugs,
Speaker 6: but the rest of the President's action seemed to be
Speaker 6: mean to destabilized to overthrow Maduro. So Americans need to
Speaker 6: pay attention and decide we want to go in this direction.
Speaker 6: And then you know, there's a lot of people pay
Speaker 6: much attention to it. But the whole issue over war
Speaker 6: crimes in that double tap the first of September, our
Speaker 6: destruction of the one boat, where there's a second strike
Speaker 6: twenty minutes later killed two and the Secretary of Defense,
Speaker 6: I won't say secretary of war, Secretary of Defense refused
Speaker 6: to release the raw footage of that. Yeah, So there
Speaker 6: are things that really Americans, You and I have seen
Speaker 6: the ebbs and flow of America politics. Recognize the importance
Speaker 6: of our institutions and their principles and our norms and
Speaker 6: and those are a thread.
Speaker 2: But that's the danger of the times in which you're in,
Speaker 2: because you know, if you pledge allegiance to as opposed
Speaker 2: to the Constitution, it's one individual in this case, Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And if you criticize that, say, you know, you're thrown
Speaker 2: out of the collective herd or somehow you're seen as
Speaker 2: an enemy. But you know, the real problem here is
Speaker 2: just ignoring the Constitution exists for a reason, it's got
Speaker 2: us thus far. That's probably what we should be looking at. Nonetheless, Yeah,
Speaker 2: final point, go ahead, Mark.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, back to the earlier point you made
Speaker 6: with the rise of the left, that was a bit
Speaker 6: of a surprise. We knew the right was acting, but
Speaker 6: I sort of I did imagine that the left would
Speaker 6: radicalize because I believe we've got three more years of
Speaker 6: Trump absolutely, and other people believe he's just joying the Constitution.
Speaker 6: He's an insipid autocrat, he's pro poutent, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 6: If you believe that the President is really the danger.
Speaker 6: That's that's that's a recipe for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've dehumanized and made the made the you know,
Speaker 2: the figurehead. He's the problem, and he's he's going to
Speaker 2: destroy both sides said that destroying America. People like this.
Speaker 2: Hear that in this Turtle Island Literation front, and they're
Speaker 2: going to take that to an extreme. He's doctor Markan,
Speaker 2: Silaco University, Dayton political terrorism expert. Mark always enjoyed the convo.
Speaker 2: Thanks again, Happy holidays. You all right, take care. Let
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Speaker 2: Last segment of twenty twenty five for US last segment, Martin,
Speaker 2: how are you hey?
Speaker 12: I'm good. I guess you know somebody My neighbor yesday,
Speaker 12: our neighbor yesterday. He reminded me that next week is Christmas.
Speaker 12: I had no idea. I'm like, no, it's in two weeks, right, No, No, today,
Speaker 12: today's eighteenth, I think, And then she added a couple
Speaker 12: more days.
Speaker 2: It's close to one week from today. Michelle, dang, I
Speaker 2: better get on it.
Speaker 12: Maybe I need to stop at Walgreens or Low's or.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what I mean. It's a Walgreens Christmas.
Speaker 12: Well, we've had those before.
Speaker 2: I know all believe me.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 2: You real nice clerk. That's usually the way it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny because you you do a lot
Speaker 2: of things wonderfully, but you are the worst gift giver.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've done some really nice gift I shouldn't
Speaker 2: say that. There's been some just mind blowing gifts you've gotten.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 2: You just I think you just get in your own
Speaker 2: head and then you can't make a decision and then
Speaker 2: ultimately you wind up buying beef jerky at speedway.
Speaker 5: Yeah do you like jerky?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, sure, who doesn't like beef jerky? And lottery
Speaker 2: and scratch offs?
Speaker 12: Oh, scratch off? Actually, scratch off. That's a good one.
Speaker 12: That's a good one that I got to send some
Speaker 12: of those to my dad.
Speaker 7: I think we have enough degenerator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves scratch off stuff. That's it's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The gift giving is that is definitely not your Usually,
Speaker 2: you know, guys and relationships, when you look at the
Speaker 2: woman and go, okay, we need a good gift here,
Speaker 2: and you come up with something killer. You don't have
Speaker 2: that you don't have that to your to that point,
Speaker 2: the gene that you don't have. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: you just gifted me the other day. You were finally
Speaker 2: out because you know, your knee surge and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and you brought back a dessert. You're like, wow, I
Speaker 2: saw this and I got dessert for us great. And
Speaker 2: I went to have my dessert and there was just
Speaker 2: crumbs left. So even when you give a gift, you
Speaker 2: take it back.
Speaker 12: We were a blue ass chili and I was paying
Speaker 12: the bill.
Speaker 6: That was good, yep.
Speaker 12: And of course they have the nice all of the
Speaker 12: sweets and the cakes and the pies, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 12: that coconut cake looks so good. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 12: have a piece of that.
Speaker 7: It's a little piece for me.
Speaker 12: And then I'm gonna get you because you like cheesecake.
Speaker 12: So I'm gonna get Scott a cheesecake. And he's like,
Speaker 12: what are you doing. I'm like, no, but I got
Speaker 12: a little crump forest for later. So you saw the
Speaker 12: the of course you saw the cake and you're like, oh,
Speaker 12: I like that. Shoot, I said what about this? I
Speaker 12: got this one for you. So well, I don't really
Speaker 12: like cheesecake with all that extra stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of different caramel and nuts, and I
Speaker 2: just playing cheesecakes. However, I'm like, oh, okay, I'll have it.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know I wasn't feeling it. Well you know what,
Speaker 2: next day I go. Yeah, next day I go in
Speaker 2: there and everything's gone.
Speaker 12: I left you.
Speaker 2: She left me a bite of No, I only had
Speaker 2: a bite of it. I'm like, yeah, god, zella sized
Speaker 2: bite taking out whole cities.
Speaker 12: Damn, Hey, you know what. I've been at home. The
Speaker 12: thought that comes and you want to work, and that
Speaker 12: cake and the pie and whatever.
Speaker 2: It was not good. It's not good when you're stuck
Speaker 2: in the house with a bunch of good taste and food.
Speaker 2: This time of the year is rough. So what is
Speaker 2: the real estate topic today?
Speaker 12: Oh, it's a good one, you know. It's the gift
Speaker 12: to keep on giving. No, it's for home owners. You
Speaker 12: have to if you have any last minute gifts that
Speaker 12: you need to get some maybe your neighbor, maybe one
Speaker 12: of your kids who just maybe they were lucky enough
Speaker 12: to even if they don't like ohone the home or
Speaker 12: live in a home. There's always some gifts. And I'm
Speaker 12: sure you every year I come up with the list.
Speaker 12: This year I tried to ask chat gpt, and the
Speaker 12: list that chat gupt gave me for homeowners was lame.
Speaker 12: I even told them these are stupid. But let's see
Speaker 12: what you think.
Speaker 2: Okay, before you get into this, the entire pretext accounts
Speaker 2: to we set this conversation by talking about the wonderful
Speaker 2: things my wife is good at the very few things
Speaker 2: she's not good at. One of them would be gift giving.
Speaker 2: So you're going Oh that's chatchp. That's dumb. Here's my
Speaker 2: list of gifts.
Speaker 12: Well maybe chat GPT. Maybe it's not as dumb as I.
Speaker 7: Think it is.
Speaker 2: Here So here's the list of Christmas gifts from the
Speaker 2: person who could be arguably one of the worst gift
Speaker 2: givers in the world. Go ahead, I got to hear this.
Speaker 12: Okay ready, A portable blue tooth speaker or outdoor music.
Speaker 12: I don't know that anybody needs that anymore. I don't
Speaker 12: love it. An alarm clock.
Speaker 2: The one good gift is probably on the list. It
Speaker 2: is like, I think that's stupid, but that'd be awesome.
Speaker 2: We get a bluetooth speaker or an.
Speaker 12: Alarm clock, the wake up with wake up light, I
Speaker 12: will say, we have you have on your side of
Speaker 12: the bed that you have the one that uh says
Speaker 12: what time it is on the ceiling?
Speaker 2: Yeah, projects now that's that's good because you wake what
Speaker 2: time is it? You look up at the ceiling. It's there.
Speaker 2: It's not blaring at you. However, no one uses an
Speaker 2: alarm clock anymore. We use our phones.
Speaker 12: All right, Well, then that's dumb. Okay, there are all
Speaker 12: candles on this lilip. Now candles I love a good candle.
Speaker 12: I love a good candle, but I am very bad
Speaker 12: at making sure that I blow them out at the
Speaker 12: before I leave a room or whatever. So instead of
Speaker 12: a candle, I am going to recommend the wax melt. Plus,
Speaker 12: you can get a pretty little ceramic thing to put
Speaker 12: the wax melts in. You just turn on the little
Speaker 12: light ball, the light bulb piece of the wax up
Speaker 12: and it smells nice.
Speaker 1: Now that's a.
Speaker 2: Nice house gift right there. Because you walk in it
Speaker 2: smells nice. You don't have to worry about, you know,
Speaker 2: the candle. You know a lot of problems with candles,
Speaker 2: of course, you know, and what happens. It stains the ceilings.
Speaker 2: In some cases you leave it on, you could have
Speaker 2: a fire. This is not a little light bulb beats
Speaker 2: it up and you you could leave it on. It's
Speaker 2: no big gun. If you want a candle.
Speaker 12: I love I love those and they come in so
Speaker 12: many different colors. And it's interesting. Last year, last year
Speaker 12: or the year before, I don't know, I was walking
Speaker 12: through Myer or someplace and they had them all on sale.
Speaker 12: So I bought like five million of them. And then
Speaker 12: when we went to and then I lost them during
Speaker 12: the move and then I found them. I think you
Speaker 12: might have found them again. So yeah, you know what,
Speaker 12: wax mount that's Good's good.
Speaker 2: I don't miss the days where you have candles all
Speaker 2: over there. Looked like a I don't like you're having
Speaker 2: a seance or so. It like like a Stev Nicks
Speaker 2: video from back in the day. Buddy.
Speaker 12: All right, So there's some kitchen and eating gifts. You know,
Speaker 12: you can always get like the little baskets of food
Speaker 12: type stuff, but a cutting board. Cutting board could be
Speaker 12: a good kitchen staple. That's nice, that could be used
Speaker 12: over and over again. Here's one that I think is
Speaker 12: dumb as a coffee mug, because you know, we have
Speaker 12: a million coffee mugs.
Speaker 2: They just seem to just yeah, yeah, promotional coffee mugs.
Speaker 2: We're good.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't need any.
Speaker 2: They're never the right size. I like the big I
Speaker 2: like a big ass coffee mug if I coffee mugs.
Speaker 12: Are very personal because of the shape and how you
Speaker 12: hold them mint if you drink. And then some people
Speaker 12: have the little warmers where you can put the coffee
Speaker 12: mugs on top of the warmer. If you're one of
Speaker 12: those people that take a really long time to drink
Speaker 12: your coffee. And so that might be a good gift
Speaker 12: for somebody who has a desk that they like to
Speaker 12: keep your coffee yet and they don't drink it like
Speaker 12: right away, and they like it warm, and maybe they
Speaker 12: keep going back to the microwave to wan it up.
Speaker 2: Just get a I mean, if that's you, just get
Speaker 2: a yetti mug, then stay hot forever.
Speaker 6: You could do that too.
Speaker 12: Somehow we've ended up with like one hundred of dolls.
Speaker 2: Well, so there's a story behind that. You forgot the story?
Speaker 7: What is it?
Speaker 2: Well, because it's a while ago. I said on this
Speaker 2: very show, in this very segment, I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: looking for I've got my one mug I take every
Speaker 2: morning filled with coffee, two pods of coffee, and that thing.
Speaker 2: I'm good to go. It stays hot for you know,
Speaker 2: the hour I sip on it, and every time I
Speaker 2: look for it. It was like you had them at
Speaker 2: work at your office and you walk in and there'd
Speaker 2: be like two or three of these things I was
Speaker 2: complaining about and people sent me, sent me Yetti mugs
Speaker 2: back in the day, and I still I think, yes,
Speaker 2: So that's where that came from. If I if I
Speaker 2: have something like that, sometimes you're like, oh, I'll just
Speaker 2: use his, But then that part of your brain forgets
Speaker 2: that you left it at the office, so it had
Speaker 2: like sixteen coffee mugs there and none at home.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a problem.
Speaker 2: Probably, I don't know if it is.
Speaker 7: It's just not for me.
Speaker 2: Forget that. Yeah, for you, I just buy a new mug.
Speaker 12: Not for me, a fruit basket, a spog gift box
Speaker 12: with relaxation care.
Speaker 2: Wow, this was great. By the way, my wife is
Speaker 2: cutting through lists of things here for homeowners. You could
Speaker 2: tell we're out of material this time of year right now.
Speaker 12: So anyway, it's very interesting if you have any ideas
Speaker 12: for gifts that I can get my husband.
Speaker 2: How about a cotton candy machine? What is that the
Speaker 2: other top of the list, cotton candy maker.
Speaker 12: You know, we usually do do the gifts, or you
Speaker 12: do at some point, the gifts that are like really
Speaker 12: trendy that you use once because it looks like fun,
Speaker 12: but you never get it out again.
Speaker 2: That's the cabinet of Chris Regrettable Christmas gifts pass is
Speaker 2: what it is. I really thought i'd use this fond
Speaker 2: pod more. Honestly, who doesn't like liquid even.
Speaker 12: You know what, there was a waffle maker when we
Speaker 12: made the move. A lot of those regrettable Christmas gifts
Speaker 12: did not make the move with us, and they're all
Speaker 12: at Goodwill right now.
Speaker 2: Somebody else's problem.
Speaker 12: If you're looking for hey, maybe that's a good idea.
Speaker 12: Maybe if looking for a little something instead of going
Speaker 12: to the CBS or Walgreen, a.
Speaker 2: Good Will, find some bargains there. Absolutely, snow cone maker.
Speaker 2: That's what I need. I need a snow cone maker.
Speaker 12: That's fun to the kids for five minutes, right right, right? Okay,
Speaker 12: so you thought the well about some safety items to
Speaker 12: a basket of safety items like the fire extinguisher, rber monos, detecture.
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, don't die. So that's very very all right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's it's an armageddon Christmas. Is
Speaker 2: what's going on. I've got a fire extinguisher, all the
Speaker 2: pair of glasses and cutproof gloves, got pepper spray, a gun,
Speaker 2: zombie repellent.
Speaker 7: Put it all in my bask Okay, went and dout.
Speaker 12: Just go to the liquor store.
Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 5: That's it?
Speaker 8: Just go to it.
Speaker 2: That's all. You need right there? What do you drink?
Speaker 2: And a bourbon? Here you go, here's a bottle of bourbon.
Speaker 2: You like your wine? Here a bottle of wine?
Speaker 12: Okay, wen and out go to the liquor store or
Speaker 12: buy spresh off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it seems like that's that's what I would do.
Speaker 2: What is wrong with giving? What is wrong with a
Speaker 2: gift card?
Speaker 1: Why? Why?
Speaker 2: Is why are gift crowds so frowned upon?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 12: It's so impersonal, isn't it. You know what, I'm giving
Speaker 12: you a fire exignature that just says nothing but love?
Speaker 2: What also says that you don't know that that person
Speaker 2: has a lot and fire extinger and I for some
Speaker 2: reason that I have a lot of fires.
Speaker 5: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I've got fire extingus on my work truck.
Speaker 12: I've got one that's probably true.
Speaker 2: I like, you've looked guard a Hosco And are you
Speaker 2: expecting sloan? Are you expecting something like bad?
Speaker 7: Are you what?
Speaker 2: Do you live in California in the middle of like
Speaker 2: the wildfire?
Speaker 5: What are you doing?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I just collect fire extinguishers. That's
Speaker 2: my collect My wife with candles and I collect fire extinguishers,
Speaker 2: So that's what we do. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just I don't know why gift cards get such a
Speaker 2: bad rap because it's easy to buy, it's thoughtful, because
Speaker 2: you know, if you get a gift card to Home
Speaker 2: Depot or Low's or Ace Hardware or whatever it is minards,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, well I could use something, and
Speaker 2: then you pick something nice for you and and yet
Speaker 2: somehow that's impersonal as opposed to what I go and
Speaker 2: buy clothes or someone a shirt, a jacket or whatever
Speaker 2: it might be, pair of shoes and they don't fit,
Speaker 2: you don't like it, I've got that, and then they
Speaker 2: wind up returning. It's a bigger pain in the ass
Speaker 2: to do that than it is just to get the
Speaker 2: gift card.
Speaker 12: But so gift cards, there is a statistic out there
Speaker 12: that like half of the gift cards in the world
Speaker 12: don't end up getting used. We have a we do
Speaker 12: have drawer of unused gift cards, and a couple of
Speaker 12: them will probably never ever use.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are someplaces are of business.
Speaker 12: So right, maybe we could regift those. We're actually for
Speaker 12: the Sloan Family Extravaganza Christmas here, we're doing a gift
Speaker 12: card gift exchange like a white elephant. So instead of bringing,
Speaker 12: you know, something really stupid that nobody really wants or
Speaker 12: in your family, it's something you know that is totally inappropriate,
Speaker 12: We're going to We're going to have a gift exchange
Speaker 12: with gift cards this year. It's easy to carry. I
Speaker 12: guess for the out of town eers too.
Speaker 2: Yeah already, yeah, so we've got the nieces and nephews
Speaker 2: and all that, and so yeah, I already went and
Speaker 2: got the gift cards. Were good?
Speaker 12: Oh you did?
Speaker 6: Yep?
Speaker 12: For real, yes, because I'm really going to get.
Speaker 2: Those taking care of check the box. Everyone gets a
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars gift card to Hustler Hollywood. Here you go,
Speaker 2: Grandma married Christmas. It's the gift that keeps on getting.
Speaker 1: I want to do this.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a massager, Grandma. That's fine. My wife,
Speaker 2: Michelle Sloan stand cells Holmes dot Com Open House Show,
Speaker 2: My gifts are a lot more fun than her gifts.
Speaker 2: That's for damn sure.
Speaker 12: Anyway, gifts this year, Okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Got your stuff. I got seven or eight things for you.
Speaker 2: What'd you get me? I'm in trouble you know what
Speaker 2: process slice a pie off the list.
Speaker 12: I've got an excuse. Agree, I'm on, I could give you.
Speaker 12: I have two extra oxy left.
Speaker 2: Now that that is a great Christmas gift. My wife,
Speaker 2: Michelle Sloan breaking all sorts of federal laws on the
Speaker 2: show here, so I love her. She lives on the edge.
Speaker 2: She does so long saleshomes dot com openhouse show that's
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Speaker 2: course on YouTube too. All right, gotta get going here.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I've been craving for pie. I
Speaker 2: don't know why. Love you, see you later, Gotta go.
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