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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It is a midweek edition of the Bumper to Bumper program.

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Speaker 1: And what an emotional show this could be. Virtually from

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Speaker 1: start to finish. No fewer than two, well actually three

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Speaker 1: if you count Glen Mason of our world travelers are

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Speaker 1: with us on today's show, and two of them not

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Speaker 1: Glen Mason, no our returning home in studio.

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Speaker 2: Think about it. It's unbelievable. Pat Kessler, fresh.

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Speaker 1: Off spending forty eight hours in the Vatican City, who's

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Speaker 1: goal for challenging the pontiff security to a fight, will

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Speaker 1: tell us all about it and many other things regarding

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Speaker 1: his trip across the Pond to Italy. While he was

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Speaker 1: in Italy, our three p fifteen guest Kevin Seaffert, was

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Speaker 1: luxuriating in Dublin and then of course London, England. He

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Speaker 1: too is a world traveler, a weary world traveler who

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Speaker 1: is back as well. So no, I actually don't yeah,

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Speaker 1: do you a little bit? I mean, in the time

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Speaker 1: bad football I'm not feeling great. Yeah, not feeling great

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Speaker 1: about my lot in life. That's a fair point, Columbus.

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Speaker 1: One way to look at it, will you? You do

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Speaker 2: I think. Now.

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Speaker 1: My guess is as your kids get older, you might.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, When I say travel more, I mean internationally.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean all over the place, not just

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Speaker 1: in the Winnebago I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess you could probably rent to win a

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Speaker 1: bagel in Europe. You could, but that might be problematic

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Speaker 1: because the roads are not the roads can be changed.

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Speaker 1: I get to go to Eugene in about a month.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I've been to Eugene Olympic track trials.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful scenery, I mean beautiful backdrop there in Eugene. Not

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Speaker 1: is it near Portland? I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: It's like an hour and a half from Portland. That's

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Speaker 2: what They do. Have an airport that I think we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, that's not quite as romantic. It's hanging

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Speaker 1: out with George Clooney, Right, it's not Lake Como, that's it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And even with Seafford, who, according to the latest piece

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings to get back on United States Tarra Firma.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that what the Vikings just did?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that has ended all international games for

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Speaker 1: the rest of time? Given the stories that are coming

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Speaker 1: out of there, they're basically making this sound like Alcatraz.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to Seaford about it. I said

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Speaker 1: this yesterday. I have no sympathy for the Vikings because

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Speaker 1: I'm with you there raised there, no can do it,

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Speaker 1: not only can we do it?

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Speaker 2: Just watch us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all these suggestions about us two weeks in a row. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we know what we're doing. We're not like any other organization.

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Speaker 1: Now if you are talking about winning playoff games, we're

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Speaker 1: like several other organizations because we can't win any but

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Speaker 1: we're better at this.

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Speaker 2: This is the one thing.

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Speaker 1: And now it's like, oh my god, what do we do?

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into all that with uh. With sever

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Speaker 1: I don't know specifically though, on this date, in nineteen

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Speaker 1: Isstial world This, I mean Southdale opened on this date.

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Speaker 1: I still don't get it. They stole a bunch such

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Speaker 1: because we got there first. But do we do we

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Speaker 1: embrace that we were the first metropolitan community, any community

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Speaker 1: a lot of people feel about malls in general, shopping

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Speaker 1: I don't like going there. There's nothing interesting about them.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing creative about them. There's nothing urban about them

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Speaker 1: we embrace it? Well, if you're asking me, you know me,

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Speaker 1: I am very pro mall and I'm very pro DNA.

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Speaker 1: So I'm the wrong guy to has that's true. You're

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Speaker 1: not objective. I'm not objective in anyway. But I do

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Speaker 1: I love going to Mall of America and just walking her.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what Here's the way I've described all of America.

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Speaker 1: See if you agree. Because a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: only larger. I maintain that the closest in the metropolitan

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Speaker 1: He eat Maui for me, But it's just it feels

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Speaker 2: This is a trip. Yeah, yeah, it's a trip out.

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Speaker 1: You're you're out of you know, the Twin Cities, even

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Speaker 1: I mean I grew up at that mall. That was

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Speaker 1: It was the first anchor department store at Southdale. Do

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Speaker 1: we know Dan went to Soda Mike. I'm sure it's

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Speaker 1: probably easily found. I don't know, was it. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Dats was there from the beginning, probably, but I don't

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Speaker 1: Dan tickets there because he used to be able to

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Speaker 1: It's bougie now though, Well that's what the Southdale has

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Speaker 1: gone wondering, like Southdale's last stand. Yeah, that they are

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Speaker 1: to do we did they got a Kowalski's in there? Now,

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Speaker 1: it's the biggest Kowalskis I've ever seen lifetime. It's massive there.

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Speaker 1: And then as well as you say the beautiful people

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Speaker 1: was great. By the way, Dan Minnesota tells us that

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Speaker 1: it says their tweets are protected. He asked, is that

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Speaker 1: You've got to have a certain cachet to tweet. You

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Speaker 1: you You're not gonna do it with a pellic gun,

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Speaker 1: is what we're saying. What was the what would be

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Speaker 2: Mall of America is thriving, it is it not.

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Speaker 1: It is, but they had to recreate themselves, right, put

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Speaker 1: of people do, right, And you can go to any

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Speaker 2: Back to school shopping.

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Speaker 1: The Mall of America, you're running into basically the entire

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Speaker 1: The heyday of the I think the heyday of the

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Speaker 1: mall has to be eighties and nineties, right once everybody

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I grew up, well, it used

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Speaker 1: to be my mall when I lived in Minneapolis, that

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Speaker 1: And then I mean Dayton's that became Marshall Fields. That's

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Speaker 1: what is it now? I don't even know what did

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Speaker 1: it become. It's it's north Strom. It's no, it's the

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Speaker 1: New York store. No, it's not very good. Macy's. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Macy's now it's Macy's. It's it's nowhere near what it

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Speaker 2: Obviously, an in door mall. We were aware. It's not

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Speaker 2: the first mall. We get it.

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Speaker 1: That he's It's almost like the guy who was it

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Speaker 1: was it Oppenheimer who created the atomic bomb and then

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Speaker 1: well done. He said, you did your job. A lot

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Speaker 1: That is the Bradshaw and Bryant got away money. But

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Speaker 2: Not anymore. I grew up in mallzone. My dad worked

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Speaker 1: No, if your choices are State Fair or the Mall

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm headed to the Pineapple parking lot at the

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Speaker 2: Mall of America right now. It's not even a close call. No, No,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't want to go. He's just like you.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it last time we had him on.

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Speaker 1: Get the breaking news sounder? I should have had it ready.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to trust that Lavelle is accurate with his information.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Lavelle made it up? No, he read

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Speaker 1: My sources say things got speaking of the length of

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Speaker 2: What the hell happened across the pond? Well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: It, it definitely enters in from the outside. Like people

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Speaker 2: with a Daniel Jones probably or was with Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 2: And that was a known potential consequence, and that's been

433
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Speaker 2: the reality of it. But like, I don't think that

434
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Speaker 2: they feel like other than forcing Sam Darnold to stay here,

435
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Speaker 2: or they could have franchised Daniel Jones, I guess I'm

436
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: trying to think if there was any reason why they

437
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: couldn't have. But both of those guys wanted to start elsewhere,

438
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Speaker 2: and they didn't want to be in a position where

439
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: they were competing with the favored guy because just the

440
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 2: way the NFL works is he was JJ McCarthy's drafted

441
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: number ten. That's just how it works. And so and

442
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: they got it and there was no hard feelings. And

443
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Speaker 2: I guess the part that you could you could roll

444
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: over in your head is the Rogers part, you know,

445
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 2: because that was just a free agent, you know, so

446
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 2: who wanted to be here and and was and kind

447
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: of wanted to supersede that processing for another year. And

448
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 2: then you see that what for most of the time

449
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 2: when JJ did play those ninety five plays, he looked

450
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: like a guy that wasn't quite ready yet. And so,

451
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: uh that part, you know, I guess there could be

452
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: some some people rethinking that, but for the most part,

453
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: I think it's just like disappointment slash tension that that

454
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: what they did decide on hasn't they haven't gotten enough

455
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: time to see it. Yeah, you can't really say that

456
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 2: they made the wrong decision yet, they just don't. I mean,

457
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: he hasn't, he didn't. I mean two games is not

458
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: enough for anybody with a with a fair out, you know,

459
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: mindset to make a judgment on it, Like they don't

460
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: know if they made the right decision yet, because there

461
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: just hasn't been enough out there.

462
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Speaker 1: However, However, in your own piece, your own lengthy piece

463
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Speaker 1: on the trip, it sounded to me as if, based

464
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Speaker 1: on a say, a particular quote from KOC that you highlighted,

465
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Speaker 1: that we're seeing already some acknowledgment on the part the

466
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: head coach, whether he would get mad. In my interpreting

467
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: it this way, that I think the quote was something

468
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: to the effect of, well, Carson, you know, has been

469
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: able to get rid of the ball quick, He's been

470
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: able to process things quick, He's been able to go

471
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: through his progressions quick.

472
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: Now.

473
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Speaker 1: I know he didn't necessarily intend that to be a

474
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 1: rip on the other guy, but given the context, I

475
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: think that's part of again what you know, the the

476
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: Magobos don't want to deal with this, but we're we're

477
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: we're evaluating in real time. It's not over for McCarthy,

478
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: but we evaluate on the basis of what we have.

479
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Speaker 1: And if in Wentce you're seeing a guy who's doing

480
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: some of that stuff that is vital to the way

481
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: KOC runs an offense better, then to me it's reasonable

482
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Speaker 1: that the head coach factored that in moving forward, at

483
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Speaker 1: least in the short term.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think the idea and the hope is

485
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Speaker 2: that McCarthy has seen you know, he saw his film

486
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: of him holding and we and I had the number

487
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: the other day. I forget I think is JJ McCarthy's

488
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 2: average throw was around two point nine three seconds uh

489
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: an eternity, Yeah, and then relatively right and so and

490
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz. I think it's two point four. And people

491
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 2: are like really a half a second means, but it

492
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: does like that's like you could like the range is

493
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: not that high and and it's just that's just the

494
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 2: way it is. And so the hope in the I

495
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: think is that in watching Carson do that, that that

496
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 2: that there's if it was if the value of being

497
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: quicker wasn't already understood that it maybe it is now.

498
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: And so the question is like, is it was it

499
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: just a choice or is it just that he wasn't

500
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: throwing it because the processing wasn't happening.

501
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: Well five h seven guy asks the question very directly,

502
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: I'll ask you because he wants your answer. Yeah, are

503
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: the Vikings a better team with McCarthy or Wentz?

504
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: It would be hard to argue in the very short

505
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: term that that it's not with Wentz. But like I

506
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: don't think once Carson Wentz has played well enough for

507
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: us to make the flag down and say this is

508
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: his team and he is the guy that's going to

509
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: take them to the playoffs. I mean, he's played like

510
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: a pretty good backup. You know, if you look at

511
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: I mean the way you can say what we want

512
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: to by QBR, but if you look at the QBR rankings,

513
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: in the time he's played weeks three through five, he's

514
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: around twenty seven with a decimated offensive line. Decimate offensive line,

515
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: and and there's some ways in there in the QBR

516
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: formula to take it into account, like it's input. The

517
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 2: time that you have before the pressure is input and

518
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: some other things. And so and he's taken some sacks,

519
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: and he's you know, taking some hits, but he's largely

520
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: you know, like when you when you have your backup

521
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: quarterback coming into to play an extended period of time,

522
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: in reality, you're hoping for five hundred play. You're hoping

523
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: that he can run your offense. And he's done for

524
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: most of the part. He's run the offense pretty decently.

525
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: And and there's been progress. He even said, like I'm

526
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: still learning how to throw it to Justine Jefferson. Like

527
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: after this, you know, in Week one against Cincinnati, he

528
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: probably doesn't throw that ball up for grabs over the

529
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: middle and Justin just goes up and gets it. And

530
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: there's another play on the sideline, I think, and you

531
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: so you can see in real time him saying, oh

532
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: I can do this, I can do this. I didn't

533
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: know that, like and so maybe there's potential for it

534
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: to go from just good, you know, back up to like,

535
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: you know, better than expectations starter. I don't know, but

536
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: right now, you know, it's hard to argue that that

537
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: they would be better with the JJ McCarthy that we

538
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: saw the first two weeks. But I also don't think

539
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: that Wentz has done so much that you can just

540
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: definitively say they're a better team for the rest of

541
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: the season with him as their starter.

542
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Historical question, just for the sake of accuracy, because I

543
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: feel like I missed this or maybe I forgot it

544
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: in the piece you were, like the Sando piece that

545
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: I think you were referencing. He mentions that the Vikings

546
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: actually offered Dananiel Jones more money than he ended up

547
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: with with the Colts. That the Vikings offered fifteen mil,

548
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: not even if it was for one year. I don't recall,

549
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: and that he I think the Colts it was fourteen.

550
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: He clearly knew he had a better chance to win

551
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: the job there made it an easy decision forget the

552
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: one million. I guess I don't so we did. As

553
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: far as you know, we did offer him one year

554
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: fifteen mil.

555
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: I don't even remember that you know, I knew that

556
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: they were in, that they were right there with the Colts.

557
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: I didn't Santo. Information was new to me and he

558
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't put that out there if he wasn't very certain

559
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: of it. But again, a million out like they. I

560
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: think the fundamental thing that we understood, which is that

561
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: he wanted to go somewhere where he thought he had

562
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: the best chance of playing, still applies.

563
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: So is it your understanding that, let's just say, for

564
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: the sake of this discussion, Jones would have accepted whatever

565
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: reason he was not going to have a chance to

566
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: compete for the at least at the start of the

567
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: season correct or started training.

568
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: That would have been interesting because if JJ had had

569
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: the camp that he had, and Daniel Jones had the

570
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: camp that apparently he had with the Colts, that would

571
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: have been very interesting. And so, like I don't, I'm

572
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: not saying that they if they had signed Daniel Jones,

573
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: that he would have just been banished to the backup

574
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: no matter what. I'm just saying that he just knows

575
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: how it works. We all know how it works, and

576
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: so it would have been very interesting had that been

577
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: the case. I mean, there was no he was JJ

578
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: there was no quarterback better than JJ McCarthy in training

579
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: camp this year. But and then you saw what happened.

580
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: They had traded the backup that they had and so

581
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: that was kind of an acknowledgment of that. So it

582
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: wasn't as if they gifted him the starting position quote unquote.

583
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: But had Daniel Jones been here or even Sam Darnold,

584
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: I guess, and it had been even something that wasn't

585
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: totally rigged, it would have been very interesting to see

586
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: how that would work.

587
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: A lot of good questions coming in Seaffert. Which food

588
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: do you prefer Dublin's or London's?

589
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: You know? And I don't know if it's just because

590
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: we got some good recommendation. The food in Dublin was awesome.

591
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: We had so we went to a place that somebody

592
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: recommended and it was like smoked meat and it was

593
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: like out of this world. The short rib kind of

594
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: dealing nice I did. I wouldn't say chicken out, but

595
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: I did get fish and chips in multiple places just

596
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: to see what it was like. And you know, that

597
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: was that is what it is. I am not a

598
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: big fan of peas, and and if you if you

599
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: get a traditional fish and chips platter. It has a

600
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: tartar sauce bowl and then a bowl of green stuff

601
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: which in America we would think is probably guacamole or something,

602
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: and it turned out to be pureaid peas, which they

603
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: didn't go over very too well. But I had some

604
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: great meals in Dublin, but it might have just been

605
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: been also in London, but like it might have just

606
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: been that we got some good recommendations.

607
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Speaker 1: Are we I'm trying to catch up on a lot

608
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 1: of stuff that are not the things that are not

609
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: necessarily related but important I think or or I'm curious

610
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: about is koc kind of a mift even without being

611
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: willing to say so. With Christian Darosol regarding this snap

612
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: count thing that went from seventy seven the week before

613
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: to because it sounds like, based on the quotes you got,

614
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: you got, I think that I saw that Derisol just

615
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: took himself out, and I'm wondering how much of a

616
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: surprise that might have been to the staff itself, because

617
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: then you're back to if there is an actual count,

618
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: don't you sit them, you know, like you do with

619
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Speaker 1: Addison first quarter and then have them available for late.

620
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: It's not like I don't think there's a go into

621
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: it saying he can only play fifty snaps. I think

622
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: they've they've empowered him to when he starts feeling it

623
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: to take himself out, you know whether that's gonna be

624
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: after forty snaps fifty snaps. It's definitely an unusual situation,

625
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: but it would be really a tough spot to be

626
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: in if you empower the guy to do it and

627
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: then get mad at him when he does. And so

628
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: I don't I've had them scrambling. Yeah, I did. And

629
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: I think like if you ask anybody on the team,

630
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: like would you want Christian Darisa out there or not,

631
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: the answer would be yes. And I wish that he would.

632
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: I will say, like, I don't know if it shows

633
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: up on TV or not, but in the Pittsburgh game,

634
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: which was in Dublin, and then even in the beginning

635
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: of the parts of the of the London game, you

636
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: can see him like if he goes to the ground

637
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: in the process of his block, like he's like laboring

638
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: to get up, and then like if they have a

639
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: big play downfield, he's laboring to get down the field.

640
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: And I asked him, I was like, is this a

641
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 2: situation where you're having pain in your knee and he's like, no,

642
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm just reconditioning my knee and I'm reconditioning my body

643
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: and I'm listening to it, and so, you know, it's

644
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: certainly unusual. I can't say it doesn't make any sense,

645
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: because we've heard plenty of cases over the years of

646
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: players who were coming back from injuries and tried to

647
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: push through things and either reinjured themselves or did not

648
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: meet the stand of play that they are used to providing,

649
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: or felt like they couldn't or whatever. I mean. They

650
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 2: you know, he played those seventy five snaps or seventy

651
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: six snaps against the Steelers, and they held him out

652
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: of practice two of the three days after that, and

653
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: he still, you know, didn't you know, didn't turn over

654
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: to the point. And so you know, it's a it's

655
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: a it's something that would not be happening in the

656
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties or seventies or whatever. But I can't say

657
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: it's it's a wrong approach. And I don't think that

658
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: Christian Deisol is like taking advantage of somebody or a

659
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: policy or anything. I think he's just like it's he's

660
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: a big dude, and it was a serious injury and

661
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: everybody heals differently, and he's trying to be as smart

662
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: about it as best as he can.

663
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: What were Seaffert and Addison doing while the Vikings had

664
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: the infamous walkthrough.

665
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: Well, I we don't have access to walkthrough, so I

666
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: was not in the in the area. I don't I

667
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: don't have anything on the Addison more details in the

668
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: morning there or afternoon? When was the walkthrough? What time

669
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: they have typically have walkthroughs in the morning. On Saturday,

670
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 2: they have walkthroughs in the afternoon, and so I don't

671
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: know the one. What day they didn't say, and I

672
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: can't say with certainty which day it was, and so

673
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: I'll just leave it at that.

674
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: But you know, see Guardian, you were talking about this yesterday,

675
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: it seems like when you're in that environment, especially you

676
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: know you're not at home, but you're on the road

677
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: and everything is restricted and everybody's in it to get

678
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: all that, it seems almost impossible to miss a walk through. Well.

679
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: The one thing though, is they were located way far

680
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: away from London from downtown line. Yeah, they were in

681
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 2: this like like it was like out of a hitchcock

682
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: movie they're in these like rolling It was Hanbury Manor

683
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: it used to it was once a a state owned

684
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: by the Hanbury's and the naturally became a convent man.

685
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: He had a huge manner somewhere, but his is like

686
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: it was remote, undisclosed, so that the bad guys couldn't

687
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: get us. But and so it was literally like like

688
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: we had some shuttle the NFL shuttles the media up

689
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: from the from the Media Hotel which is in London

690
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: up to the to their facility. It was a couple

691
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: of shuttle rises for like two hours. And if you

692
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 2: wanted to like take public transportation, which we did one time,

693
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: it was one of those U tube the you know,

694
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: subway to a train, you know, and transfer to a

695
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: train and then get to the closest station to them,

696
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: which you then had to call a cab and so

697
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: like it was not easy. And so if you were

698
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 2: going anywhere and trying to get back by a certain time,

699
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: you had to be very time conscious.

700
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Speaker 1: So so we don't really know. He hasn't really addressed it.

701
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: He I mean, he talked to us, but he referred

702
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: where he was. He wouldn't go there.

703
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: He deferred all that to O'Connell, And what O'Connell said

704
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: is that he missed the walk through. All right, let's

705
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: get one more break in.

706
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: We got one more segment with Kevin Seffert in studio

707
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: back from London slash Dublin, Glenn Mason Dayline Fargo. This

708
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: will be for the fourth consecutive week, right, you can't

709
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: make it up. It's his new home. Kessler will be

710
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: in studio as well in the five o'clock hour. But

711
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: more football. Some good texts coming in as well when

712
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: we return the obligatory. Do you know how bad Peyton

713
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Manning was? His first game? Text has come in. I

714
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: get it about four times a week for a whole

715
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: season exactly. By the way, inheriting what the Colt's terrible?

716
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: Oh, he was the number one pick in the draft.

717
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Yes, when Troy Aikman took over in Dallas. Weren't the

718
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: Cowboys terrible? You do have to factor that in. This

719
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: is not a terrible team that was inherited Peyton Manning.

720
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: So look, the issue to me again is is it's

721
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: it's get I get to catch twenty two. If the

722
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: kid needs more experience, the only way he's going to

723
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: get it is to play. The disconnect has always been

724
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: you built this team. It seems in a way that

725
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: you thought it was going to accomplish two things. One

726
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: make it easier for him to succeed Allah maybe what

727
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: they learned about the way the Bears tried to do

728
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: it a year ago with Caleb Williams. But the two

729
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: we got enough other good pieces, and we got a

730
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: good defense where we think we might be able to,

731
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, catch lightning in a bottle this year. And

732
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: are those things compatible for this season?

733
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: That's the question.

734
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: What are you willing to sacrifice in the name of

735
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: giving him that experience if it is going to have

736
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: a significant impact on your chances to have a winning season.

737
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the and the other question that wasn't hasn't

738
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: really been explored much, is were they in fact good

739
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: enough to win I want to say in spite of him,

740
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: but good enough around him to support the level that

741
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: he was at right And so I don't know if

742
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: you can look at those first two games and say

743
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: for sure that they're that good.

744
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: Fair Kevin, what week and or game would you presume

745
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: or speculate that the Vikings would be back to full force.

746
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: He's talking about offensive line he's talking about Aaron Jones,

747
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: he's talking about Van Ginkle, he's talking about Cashman, et cetera.

748
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: A lot of those guys I think are gonna be

749
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: ready after the bye for the Eagles. For the Eagles,

750
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: it sounds like Cashman is at least going to be

751
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: you know, they're having his window open. Donovan Jackson will

752
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: be back, I think, is the plan at Left Guard.

753
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if Brian O'Neal will be ready, but

754
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: it'll be in the discussion for sure. JJ McCarthy I

755
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: think will be getting pretty dang close to at least

756
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: being able to have a full practice week. And Van

757
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: Ginkle don't know like they they said he was. I mean,

758
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: he hasn't done anything since that. He played like eight

759
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: snaps in the second game, and he really hasn't done

760
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: anything since then.

761
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: And so his wife came through on the love Boats time.

762
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: That was the best tweeted lers. Just amazing she was.

763
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: That was outstanding and I appreciate it because I remember

764
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: I still remember the feeling I had at the end

765
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: of the bye week of that twenty years ago when

766
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm watching care Leven news on I think it was

767
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: Sunday night at ten o'clock and seeing this that the

768
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: attorney for the Alin Alma's group being interviewed and thinking, well,

769
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: my life is about to change here for a few

770
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: days and it turned out to be for a full

771
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: year almost What.

772
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: About the so the center, How many concussions is it

773
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: now to here?

774
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: Two here in a total of at least five since

775
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: he got the NFL.

776
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: It's you could argue it's the classic second guest after

777
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: the fact. But is it fair to ask whether the

778
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Vikings did the proper due diligence and what kind of

779
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: risks are involved in investing in a player from another

780
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: team that has that kind of history.

781
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think that they knew all the information,

782
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: they decided to roll the dice, and they felt like

783
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: they had enough of a track record with their medical

784
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: staff that I mean, I don't think concussion, not from

785
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: a concussion standpoint, I don't know what you can do

786
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: to prevent concussions, but they he had also had some

787
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: other injuries, and I think that they felt like they're

788
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: pretty good at being able to to to minimize those

789
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: types of injuries, soft tissue type things and then and

790
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: or get them back at the right time. But the

791
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: concussion thing for any player is a roll of the dice,

792
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: and there's no I don't think. I'm not aware of

793
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 2: any strategies or approaches from medical staffs from various teams

794
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: that are better at preventing them than others.

795
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 1: This is from Neil plans change injuries have ravaged the team.

796
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what they were planning on doing. I

797
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: don't know he means what I think he means there,

798
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: because part of it for me is the best laid

799
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: plans were McCarthy's going to be the guy from the

800
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. We're gonna roll with it, and

801
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: we're going to see what he can do, and hopefully

802
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: it's going to build for something. But it it the

803
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: season's happen the way they do despite best laid plans,

804
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: and so then plan plans are allowed to change in

805
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: real time. On that basis, and I've said this to

806
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the McCarthy fans, This doesn't the notion

807
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: that we've invested too much in him and we have

808
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: to play him.

809
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: I stay, I say yes.

810
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Eventually, but I think plans are allowed to change during

811
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: the course of a season, and maybe it ends up

812
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: being delayed. That doesn't mean it's gonna it's gonna be

813
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: prevented from happening.

814
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: No, And I actually think that that's a lot of

815
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: what O'Connell was kind of saying in his own way,

816
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: is that he I mean, I left Europe thinking that

817
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: he definitely wants to get McCarthy back on the field

818
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: in games, but he wants to do it in what

819
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: I would call an orderly fashion. And I know that's

820
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: kind of an old school term, and I think about

821
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: like fire drills when I was in elementary school, and

822
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: they wanted you walking quickly, but an orderly fashioned to

823
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: the door and not in a panic. He there's going

824
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: to be benchmarks that he's going to want McCarthy to hit,

825
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: and until that point, I don't think he's going to

826
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: be in a rush to play him. And so it

827
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can't hit all those benchmarks in one week.

828
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: You know, the first one is going to be that

829
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: he's one hundred percent healthy, and the second benchmark is

830
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: going to be that he shows he's one hundred percent

831
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: healthy by being willing able to push off that foot

832
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: and not be looking like his mechanics are all screwed up.

833
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: Because sometimes when you're hurt, you compensate, or you're not

834
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: mentally psychologically, there's all different ways that your footwork when

835
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: you have a foot in a you know, lower body

836
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: injury can change. And so then is he doing all

837
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: the footwork and fundamentals that they have you know, worked

838
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: on him with throughout training camp, and then he's at

839
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: that point, Then is he in football shape and all

840
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: those sorts of things, And when all those things happen,

841
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: he's gonna find a way to play him. I think

842
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: unless Carson Wentz does a turn to where he's playing

843
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: so lights out that you can't look the locker room

844
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: in the eye and say that. But I again, like,

845
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: we're not at that point with Carson Wentz, and we

846
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: might not know, we might be over projecting what he's

847
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: capable of at this point, but he's and we talked

848
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: about the level that we think he's playing at right

849
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: now and what he might progress to. But you know,

850
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: I don't think that they're like looking for ways to

851
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: keep JJ from playing. I think they're looking for the

852
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: right amount of progress before that they put him on

853
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: the field.

854
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: By the way his shoulder injury, they're gonna further examine

855
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: it and I think Carson Wentz, I should say on Wentz, yes,

856
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: So is there any reason to believe that might be

857
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: there might be a bigger structural problem there that also

858
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: might enter into the decision making moving forward in the

859
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: short term.

860
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: I think entered the decision making on whether Wentz plays.

861
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 2: But I don't. I mean, and I know, well, we'll

862
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: go with this if I say this, But I I

863
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: think that he's that O'Connell and the rest of the

864
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: building is very committed to viewing JJ without the context

865
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: of what's happening with Carson Wentz or whatever. And so

866
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: if Carson Wentz just can't play, but JJ is not

867
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: hitting the benchmarks, then what's the answer. Well, I don't

868
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: like that's where he just perked up. I can't. I

869
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know, But like, that would be

870
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: not a great process if you have eventually essentially you're

871
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: putting JJ McCarthy back on the field before you would

872
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: otherwise have done so because Carson Wentz has this injury,

873
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: and so I.

874
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: Don't know what the don't let brose the field, man,

875
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: I'm telling you think Koc is ornery. Now, how authoritative

876
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: was he taking that knee at the end of the

877
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: first set.

878
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: I've never seen a guy doing cool as a cucumber.

879
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: I never, I've never seen a guy do that better.

880
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 1: Lastly, you had a nice, extensive piece kind of laying

881
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: out this is kind of the trip that the Vikings had,

882
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, volunteered for, and that by the end of

883
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: it they may have been.

884
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: Regretting some of that.

885
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: So did they miscalculate something in your estimation? Is it

886
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: just the nature of it's unprecedented and it's just it's

887
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: they had to act added factors that you did initially

888
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: count on, regarding injuries and even getting people across the pond,

889
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: or what do you think looking back?

890
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: I think they probably miscalculated the extent to which playing

891
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: the Steelers in Dublin would neutralize a home field advantage.

892
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: And you know, the Steelers have great trap like their

893
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: fans are great. They like when you cover a Steelers

894
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: game on the road, if they were to come here,

895
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: I know it right, it's I mean and it's not.

896
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just who they are. Everybody knows that,

897
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: and so it struck me as surprising that there would

898
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: be an expectation that somehow it would be not you know,

899
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: like a neutral site game and even if like the

900
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: the regardless of like the fan, you know, just you know,

901
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: the percentage of fans like there were still they do

902
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: this thing at the Steelers Stadium that the Renegade song,

903
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: and it just gets everybody fired up. And they did

904
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: it there and so and people were ready for it,

905
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: and it just really created an atmosphere that made you

906
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: feel like you were at a Steelers home game. And

907
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: so they probably missed. And then you can't say that

908
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: the Vikings play like the Vikings looked unsettled to me

909
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: throughout that game, and they kind of talked about that

910
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: as well, and so they probably missed. Calculated a little

911
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: bit the degree to which they would be the Steelers

912
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: would be losing their home field advantage because they definitely

913
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 2: felt like they were the home team in that game.

914
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: The rest of it, I think it's just you know,

915
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: you can you can go to Europe and get or

916
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: anywhere where the time difference is significant and get acclimated

917
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: to the point where you're tired that you sleep at

918
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: night and you're awake during the day. But and I

919
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: can just say this from a personal standpoint, and I

920
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: didn't have to do anything physical it's like you're still

921
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: like not as rested, and you're still tired, and you're

922
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: still out of sorts, and you've and you know, you've

923
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: been eating out every day, and in their case, they've

924
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: been eating with a team. But you know, people, football

925
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: is such a routine oriented, uh sport where like, you know,

926
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: the game is almost always played on Sunday. On Monday,

927
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: you do this, you know, you for your recovery as

928
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: a player, and you sleep this long and then you

929
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: go and they get up the next morning at the

930
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: same time. And both a lot of these guys, that's

931
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: how they get themselves from the one car crash to

932
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: the other, the car crash being the game, and so

933
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: there was a lot of like just not feeling like

934
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 2: themselves because they weren't able to do that. And people

935
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: might say, well that's you know, these are millionaires. They

936
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: but it's just the way it is. I don't know

937
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: how else to say, and so, like, you know, it

938
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: was totally natural human biology to feel out of sorts

939
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: and more tired and a little bit cranky probably and grumpy.

940
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: And everybody was feeling that, not just people who worked

941
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: for the team. Uh you know, I was feeling the

942
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: same way too, And so I get it. I can

943
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: empathize and I know what it felt like. And so

944
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: I don't think that they viewed it as this massive

945
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: mistake or like they should never have done it. But

946
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: it was just a lot and it was always going

947
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: to be a challenge and and but you didn't know

948
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: what it was going to be until the extent of

949
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: until you experienced it.

950
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: There's all, there's only so much Shepherd's pie you could eat,

951
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: and Shepherd's pie is very bloating.

952
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: So I think that there's somebody somebody ordered that once

953
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: when I was out, and it was your guy, Alec

954
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: Lewis actually and he you know, he's not I wouldn't

955
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: say he's like the biggest eater of the group. And

956
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: but he could only eat like five bytes of it

957
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: before he was full. And so I have a picture

958
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: of like a big shepherd Pie that got taken away. Yes,

959
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: But but yeah, they're for sure, and it's just and

960
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: they and they, the organization did a lot of things

961
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: to try to make you know, they had the food trucks,

962
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: they had they brought a lot of food with them

963
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: and they sent it on cargo ships and but and

964
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: so every effort was made to make it feel as

965
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: close as possible, but it's still is not the same.

966
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in, welcome back.

967
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming in as quickly as since you just

968
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: got back the other day.

969
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: We'll chat next week.

970
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Kevin Seaford ESPN dot com. That in the background,

971
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: if you hear something rattling, it's probably a very anxious

972
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: and annoyed Glenn Mason because we have cut into his time.

973
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: He will join us from you guessed at Fargo next