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Speaker 1: By Billy Cunningham less continue. Of course, Attorney Doug Brannon

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Speaker 1: represents Alex Shrevinsky. He was the victim of a beatdown

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Speaker 1: after the music festival, also a Reds game in which

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Speaker 1: there were hundreds of thousands of individuals downtown Cincinnati, not

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Speaker 1: well guarded by the police department. My dad and Alex

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Speaker 1: Stravinsky was beaten down, and there was a big news

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Speaker 1: members and by the mayor, and by so called civil

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Speaker 1: rights leaders who talked about the white guy's gotta be

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Speaker 1: Now we have the tape. We have the tape from

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Speaker 1: three CDC that in the case that's not the case.

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Speaker 1: Joining you and I now is Doug Brannon, the attorney

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Speaker 1: for Alex Stravinsky. And once again Doug Brannon, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, attorney of Brannon,

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Speaker 1: can you tell the American people, having reviewed the tape,

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Speaker 1: what does this do to the case against your client

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Speaker 1: criminally and what does this say about the investigation.

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Speaker 2: The opportunity to come on and talk to you about this,

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Speaker 2: we have had a chance to review the three CDC

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Speaker 2: tape and it unquestionably exonerates Alex from any wrongdoing in

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Speaker 2: the census. He was hit and beaten multiple times. We

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Speaker 2: have said this from the very beginning of how he

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Speaker 2: was attacked by multiple people multiple times, long before he

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Speaker 2: tried to confront one of the attackers and telling him

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Speaker 2: to stop. And you know, this tape is dramatically changes

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Speaker 2: or should change the reality of what they've been portraying

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Speaker 2: politically versus what actually happened that day.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the city will now drop the criminal

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Speaker 1: charges against your victimized client? Is that this tape shows

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Speaker 1: that this tape indicates that your clients should not have

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Speaker 3: Correct? Correct?

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Speaker 2: And I don't think any law enforcement officer ever wanted

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Speaker 2: and prosecute him. You know, they needed the public needs

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Speaker 2: to speak up and voice their concern over this prosecution

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Speaker 2: because it's wrong, it shouldn't be occurring, and their criminal

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Speaker 2: they're revictimizing somebody that's already been brutally victimized and beaten.

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Speaker 1: How's your client doing today? This began July twenty sixth.

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Speaker 1: Here we are October thirty. First, it's been what about

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Speaker 1: four minds? How's your client doing physically?

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Speaker 2: You know, physically he is. He has made some strides

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Speaker 2: in recovering. He suffered a large concussion as a result

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Speaker 2: of the beating. You know, mentally it has been very

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Speaker 2: difficult for him to get around other people, large crowds.

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Speaker 2: You know, having been attack like this by a large crowd.

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Speaker 2: You know, he still is suffering greatly from this.

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Speaker 1: You're also a noted personal injuries civil rights attorney. What

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Speaker 1: does this do to the the pending civil lawsuit against

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Speaker 1: the city who purposely filed criminal charges against an innocent

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Speaker 1: man because of his race? What does that do to

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Speaker 1: the civil lawsuit?

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Speaker 2: I think that it just gives more credence to the

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Speaker 2: viability of those quaims against any against the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is not a claim that had to

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Speaker 2: be brought. This is a claim that they brought upon

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Speaker 2: themselves for their own wrongful conduct in initiating a wrongful

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Speaker 1: Have you considered I spoke to a US senator recently

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Speaker 1: about this. These are US civil rights violations against the

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Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati that could have criminal elements, could have

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Speaker 1: of state or city ordinances in law, cannot violate the

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Speaker 1: civil rights of any innocent person. In the nineteen fifties

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Speaker 2: You know, that is an interesting question, Bill, and I

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Speaker 2: I don't think this criminal charge would have been brought

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what the city fathers and mothers said that

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Speaker 1: Who demanded that their city that they led and continue

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Speaker 1: That's how stupid this crowd is. If you're going to

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Speaker 2: And they're still doing it publicly because they're still prosecuting Alex.

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Speaker 2: This is how crazy these people are and continuing this

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Speaker 2: wrongful criminal prosecution, especially after this tape has been made published.

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Speaker 2: But they note about this tape. They've seen this tape previously,

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Speaker 2: they've note about it since the conception of the events. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they've done nothing to stop this criminal prosecution.

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Speaker 1: As we sit here at twelve forty five pm on

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Speaker 1: Let's go back in time a little bit here and

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Speaker 1: as was told to me by Sergeant Ken Kober, who,

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Speaker 1: said that the line officers doing the investigation would not

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Speaker 1: file criminal charges against Zarenski because shall we say, they

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Speaker 1: weren't proper, they were wrong. And the man in charge

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Speaker 1: of the Central Business District then was Captain Henny Hnni,

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Speaker 1: and now that same captain is the interim police chief.

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Speaker 1: So the mayor and city manager advanced Captain Henny to

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Speaker 1: a captain did and he gets rewarded by being the

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Speaker 1: interim chief of police. Explain that one.

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Speaker 2: To me, Well, what I can tell you is, after

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Speaker 2: reviewing the discovery that was provided to me in this case,

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Speaker 2: that Captain Henny was not one of the detectives in

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Speaker 2: the ones doing the investigation that are handling the case

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Speaker 2: submit that to the court.

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Speaker 3: That is not what occurred in this case.

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Speaker 2: Captain Henny was just the administrator he was not one

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Speaker 2: a huge disconnect between him being involved and who the

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Speaker 1: A cop sent me the following text quote, Hanny was

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Speaker 1: in charge of the Central Business District when these violent

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Speaker 1: and now he's the interim chief who's being paid off.

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Speaker 3: It's like, Wow, well, I think that this is still coming.

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Speaker 2: We need to We have questions for the city manager

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Speaker 2: the information that we have been provided, it seems like

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Speaker 2: they are trying to control this criminal prosecution for political purposes.

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Speaker 2: So these are city officials that need to answer for

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Speaker 2: their conduct in getting involved in this particular case.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well at this point, uh, this was leaked by somebody

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Speaker 1: to Fox nineteen Trisha Mackie has do you have any knowledge,

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Speaker 1: as the attorney for Alex Zervinsky, who leaked this tape?

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Speaker 3: I do not. I do not. It certainly didn't come

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Speaker 2: We have been provided discovery in the criminal case, but

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Speaker 2: we have not provided this tape to to anybody else.

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Speaker 2: We have been using it to prepare for our defense

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Speaker 1: Did did the discovery given to you by the City

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Speaker 2: They were provided, They provided us with certain caps they

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Speaker 2: the uh. This particular tape initially was not included in

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Speaker 2: the initial discovery that was provided to us.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So have you thought about a referral to the

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Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office for the possible criminal prosecution of the

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Speaker 1: and also for the public officials Cecil Thomas, Scottie Johnson,

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Speaker 1: lemon Kearney. Have you thought about a criminal referral to

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Speaker 1: the US Attorney's Office for federal charges against these individuals.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're taking this case one step at a time, villain.

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Speaker 2: The first step in my first priority is to make

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Speaker 2: sure that Aleans has found not guilty of this bogus charge.

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Speaker 1: And this tape proofs beyond a shadow of a doubt

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Speaker 1: that the first punch was thrown at the back of

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Speaker 1: than your client who's criminally charged and This tape clearly

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Speaker 1: shows that there were lies told by city fathers and

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: That is what the evidence is showing us right now. Bill,

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely what we see as well. And it's

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Speaker 2: clear not only did he not throw the first bunch,

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Speaker 2: he didn't throw the second, he didn't throw the throw.

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Speaker 3: He was hit so many times we.

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Speaker 2: Lost count before he even tried to confront the victim

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Speaker 2: you watch the video very carefully, as this infamous where

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Speaker 3: Another one of these thugs goes up, says.

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Speaker 2: I'm going behind him to get him, and that's when

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Speaker 2: he's hit from both sides. An attack from both sides,

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Speaker 3: And the back. This mob had no intention of stopping.

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Speaker 2: Anything he did at any time was an act of

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Speaker 2: self defense and get out of there alive was all

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Speaker 3: Do that day.

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Speaker 1: It was lucky he got out with merely serious injuries.

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Speaker 1: He was lucky he got out alive. And the fact

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Speaker 1: to assume that Captain Henny knew at the time that

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Speaker 1: have demanded to be shown to him before the criminal

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Speaker 1: said repeatedly there's more to this than meets the eye.

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Speaker 1: The county prosecutor is saying, look, we have more tapes

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Speaker 1: say no. But your information is that Captain Henny, who's

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Speaker 1: But he's the one that signed the charges, according to

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Speaker 1: ken Kober. Ken Kober said on our air with Me

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Speaker 1: that the reason he did it was to save his

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Speaker 1: in order to file false charges against an innocent person

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Speaker 1: based upon race.

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Speaker 3: Think about that for a moment. It's mind boggling, isn't it. Bill?

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you look at this and as

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Speaker 2: we're facing trial, I'm wondering what Captain Hinny, if he's

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Speaker 3: Say as a non investigating.

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Speaker 2: Personnel from the police department that seems to be the

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Speaker 1: Well, let me make a guess. They're going to dismiss

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Speaker 1: these charges after the election. They do not want you

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Speaker 1: to have Captain Henny under oath. He's not you know,

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Speaker 1: a cops I know say they like him. Captain Henny

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Speaker 1: is now the interim chief. They like him, and he

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Speaker 1: was putting in some impossible position of following false criminal

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Speaker 1: an illicit, illegal order. And now Henny and Henny in

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Speaker 1: consequence has been elevated because he did what the city

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Speaker 1: Henny and I say, once again, the men respect Henny,

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Speaker 1: but at this point he's in a bad light. Would

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Speaker 1: you get out your crystal ball where the city continue

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Speaker 1: to pursue these charges against your client when they know

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Speaker 1: they're false.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've indicated nothing that they are going to stop

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Speaker 2: pursuing these charges at this point. And like you, with

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Speaker 2: this election looming, these things are certainly coming out and

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Speaker 2: right now that seems to be very.

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Speaker 3: Important to them.

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Speaker 2: But let's see what if common sense may come to

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Speaker 2: them after this election and they dismiss these charges. If not,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to get these people on the road.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're getting them under oath either the criminal case,

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Speaker 1: which will be dismissed, or you're getting them under oath

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Speaker 1: in a civil case. And none of them can avoid

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Speaker 1: that because in this opinion in a civil case, and

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Speaker 1: I know federal authorities are watching this case to see

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Speaker 1: what happens. I'm gonna make sure this tape goes all

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Speaker 1: over the federal officials, I know, because we can't live

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Speaker 1: in a society where person innocent persons are charged with

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Speaker 1: criminal offenses because of the color of their skin.

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Speaker 2: And no, you don't victimize victims. It's just not right, Bill,

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Speaker 2: and you're all over it.

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Speaker 1: Attorney Doug Brandon, representing Alex Stravinski, Thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show, and I'm sure we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk again, but get ready for a dismissal right after

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Speaker 1: the election.

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Speaker 3: Sound's good. Thanks for having me, Bill.

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Speaker 1: God bless you. Let's continue with more. Well, the truth

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Speaker 1: will set you free or the truth could imprison you?

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Speaker 1: After have peer of all. Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW