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Speaker 1: Do you want to be in a Man County? All right,

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Speaker 1: here we go at this Bengals Hangover Monday on seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW. Awful, right, awful. There's the old adage about, hey,

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Speaker 1: you get enough crumbs, you make a loaf, and that's

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Speaker 1: true a lot of things, especially money, enough crumbs you

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Speaker 1: make a loaf. So Hamlin County is considering a one

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Speaker 1: mill increase in the real estate transfer text the hold

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Speaker 1: on second, I have no idea what this means. So

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Speaker 1: a millage basically is a dollar for every thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: that your purchase price is. So you know, you buy

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Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars house every thousand dollars. Do the math,

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Speaker 1: and that's paid by the subtle closing. So you already

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Speaker 1: have a transfer tax in Warren County, Butler Count's about

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Speaker 1: three dollars per thousand. In Clare Mountain, Hamlin County it's

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Speaker 1: four dollars per thousand, and now Hamlin County wants to

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Speaker 1: add another buck to that. Joining the show this morning

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW is Commissioner Elesa Reese Hope, trust

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Speaker 1: you ad a good weekend? Alicia? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good but not good about this proposal. It's

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Speaker 2: been a rough a rough month, a rough year. You know,

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Speaker 2: I was young the last time I was on. We

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Speaker 2: were talking about the affordability, the snap benefits, and I've

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Speaker 2: been out there, you know, trying to help people. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the government's opening back up, but they didn't cash at

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Speaker 2: us the money. You know, we don't have it right now.

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Speaker 2: We're still operating, you know, on a skeleton. And so

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Speaker 2: we've got the five one to three relief bus out there.

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Speaker 2: I've been out there. We've we've we've had the bus

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Speaker 2: We're going to we're getting ready to go to a

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Speaker 2: new Hope and Avendale this week in Bethel and Wanner

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Speaker 2: you know, just middle class family's, even veterans who've been there.

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Speaker 2: And while we're helping them with food, at the same time,

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Speaker 2: everything is going up and it's just making it harder

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Speaker 2: ready to do the county budget and we get the

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Speaker 2: proposed budget from the administrator. That's how it goes. He

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out how can we make it affordable

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Speaker 2: for folks who are out here struggling in Hamilton County.

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Speaker 2: You know, the homeowners and you know me, I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to help grandma and grandpa hold onto their house too.

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Speaker 2: When we talk about we say we want to have

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Speaker 2: affordable housing. Affordable housing is not just new housing. It's

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Speaker 2: helping people hold on to the house they already have.

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Speaker 2: And as you know on this show, I've been with you.

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Speaker 2: We've been fighting on these property taxes. And while you know,

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Speaker 2: the state has you know, the ultimate power, they've got

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Speaker 2: to come up with a better formula, and how they

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Speaker 2: fund public education can't be on the backs of property taxes.

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Speaker 2: But at the same same time, the county has some

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Speaker 2: things that they can do, and I wanted to look

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Speaker 2: everything we've doing. One of those things was the thirty

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Speaker 2: percent they promised. The voters went out voted for two stadiums.

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Speaker 2: Is the only time the voters got to vote on this,

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Speaker 2: get thirty percent property texts rollbacks for the county's portion.

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Speaker 2: And since I've been there, this is my fifth year,

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Speaker 2: we got a fight for it. And then this new

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars guarantee to the Bengals, but in there,

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Speaker 2: there's no guarantee to the homeowners, as I was telling you,

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Speaker 2: And in this budget, the administrator only recommends for about

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Speaker 2: four point five percent rollback. Now we went from thirty

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Speaker 2: And then on top of that, if you try to

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Speaker 2: just the craziest thing. And then we talk about taking

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Speaker 2: the American Rescue money. That was a one time thing,

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Speaker 2: and we've been doing a lot of good things with housing.

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Speaker 2: these faces of men who own their homes. One of

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Speaker 2: it's horrible, isn't it. So we have to be mindful

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me.

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Speaker 2: Shut this up.

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Speaker 1: Alicia Race Hamilin County can let this up because at

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Speaker 1: the intro I said, you know you already have you

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Speaker 1: rollback got it this year. Who knows it's going happened

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Speaker 1: next year? Probably not, we'll see. H but Warren County,

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Speaker 1: Baller County about three dollars per thousand dollars worth of house.

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Speaker 1: So three hundred dollars three in a thousand dollars house. Right,

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Speaker 1: be five. Would be the highest tax around in the

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Speaker 1: So what am I getting in Hamlin County that would

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Speaker 2: Well? I think you raised a great question. I mean

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Speaker 2: now we're talking about it's going to be hier to sell.

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Speaker 2: But we can't be the champion in Hamilton County that

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Speaker 2: everything is higher. We can't be the county whereas it's

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Speaker 2: And again, we can't have you know, I was telling

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Speaker 2: and let's just keep putting extra burden on them. And

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Speaker 2: then in the same meeting, we'll have a big idea

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Speaker 2: come in and we say, oh my god, we can

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Speaker 2: find the money. We can find this. And I told him,

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Speaker 2: I said, let's think a lot more creative, but we

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Speaker 2: I said, well, let's give the home owner thirty percent break.

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Speaker 2: give them a break. We can't give them a break

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Speaker 1: And so let you have money to do the stadium.

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Speaker 1: And I think the way this team is this year,

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Speaker 1: that's just bad optics.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we're giving them guaranteed, which you say, three

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Speaker 2: these other deals, I'm starting to see you see Denver,

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Speaker 2: the trend we have. The trend of these NFL stadiums.

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Speaker 2: The owners are putting in a lot more money because

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Speaker 2: they know that the taxpayers are not putting up with it.

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Speaker 2: You see it. You saw that in Kansas City. They

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Speaker 2: but we're not going to tax We're not going to

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Speaker 2: and we don't even have to guarantee. They don't even

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Speaker 2: have to guarantee a winning product. So three hundred million

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Speaker 2: guaranteed in the budget, and the administrator will say we

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Speaker 2: not fiscally uh you know, responsible. But I said, well,

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Speaker 2: why is it not fistically responsible for the homeowners to

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Speaker 2: get a break? I mean, we are in affordability fight

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Speaker 2: right now, and Sloan, like you said, all these things

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Speaker 2: come together. It's not like a one thing. Now you're

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Speaker 2: talking about if a Selma house, I got to pay

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Speaker 2: more more than like you said, other.

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Speaker 1: Counting countries, right, and it's people go around three hundred

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Speaker 1: crumbs you make a loaf. And I get we're Jeff

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Speaker 1: Aluto County administrators. He's that's a difficult budget to balance.

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Speaker 1: For sure. You got a budget that's going to be

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Speaker 1: about three point three percent from this past year, just

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Speaker 1: north of four hundred million dollars is the number. And

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Speaker 1: you know, when you have expenditures growing just the rate

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Speaker 1: of inflation and the growth and revenue is not there.

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Speaker 1: You got to look at getting other income sources in

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Speaker 1: there too, because you have it's mandated you balance a budget.

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Speaker 1: So in your world, Alisha Rees said, what do you do?

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Speaker 1: How do you balance a budget and get the same

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Speaker 1: time without sticking to the taxpayers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think number one, you look at all funds.

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Speaker 2: You don't look at each deal as a separate deal.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we've been doing. We should have been

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Speaker 2: saying that when we had the Bengals deal, we need

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Speaker 2: to look at everything and say, well wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: We need to be looking at all things. But we

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Speaker 2: don't do that. We look at a big deal comes

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Speaker 2: in and we find money, and then we come back

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Speaker 2: and now say, oh we can't balance the budget. Now

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Speaker 2: we won't be able to. I think you start off

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Speaker 2: with who you know, who are we supposed to be representing?

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Speaker 2: Who are our shareholders? And you go and say, okay,

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Speaker 2: our shareholders are taxpayers of Hamilton County. So we got

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Speaker 2: the number one, keep that first and foremost in the forefront,

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Speaker 2: and as you saw in that article, they'll be taken

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Speaker 2: right If the person can't afford it, they're going to

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Speaker 2: take that home, say maybe a port authority for example.

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Speaker 2: But when they take the home, they don't have to

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Speaker 2: maybe pay the clothes and costs because they're gonna they

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Speaker 2: The other thing, I have an idea. It's time for

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Speaker 2: us to look at everything creatively. I've asked jeff A Luto,

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Speaker 2: what happens is maybe we can think of something more creative.

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Speaker 2: The last thing I'll tell you that I am proposing

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Speaker 2: For example, that site where the Millennium was, and they're

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Speaker 2: I said, why don't we get the liquor license as

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Speaker 2: then that can bring in additional revenues, not just at

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Speaker 2: and let's come in through that. We've got to instead

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Speaker 2: of taxing the homeowner, we could come in with those

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Speaker 2: kind of things. We spent fifty something million dollars to

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Speaker 2: So that's one of the ideas. I said, we got

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Speaker 2: to think creatively. Don't tell me what will you bring something.

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Speaker 2: Don't bring it to me and say, oh, we've just

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Speaker 2: never done it. First of all, let's see can we

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Speaker 2: do it. We've got to do We're in some desperate times,

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Speaker 2: and we need to be thinking a lot more creatives

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Speaker 2: and they said taxes, probably taxes are going to go

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Speaker 1: It's not good to get more people or people who

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Speaker 1: That's not happening. But relative to this, and by increasing

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Speaker 1: the millage to five dollars per thousand, Hamlin County making

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Speaker 1: by far the most expensive in our region. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: is that just the way to sell us and go, hey,

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Speaker 2: No, it's not much money. And I think that maybe

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Speaker 2: you know, make it unaffordable. Some people are forced to sell,

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Speaker 2: They got to sell it because they got to downsize.

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Speaker 2: Some people say, hey, I got I got a downsize

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Speaker 2: The bottom line is we just can't keep adding to

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Speaker 2: And again a million dollars is not going to not

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Speaker 2: going to get us. We put sixty million dollars and

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Speaker 2: one hand and then on the other hand make it unaffordable.

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Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, a lot of

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Speaker 2: can negotiate. What can I do? Uh, And so on one

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Speaker 2: know it's going up. You know. I tell people all

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Speaker 2: somebody can get, right, and so all these things. Sloan,

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Speaker 2: I'm fighting it, but keep your eyes open. So closing

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Speaker 2: costs they want to go up. Uh, property tax rollback

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Speaker 2: we're going from a thirty percent now down to only

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Speaker 2: four point five percent roll back. And then MSD in

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Speaker 2: the budget they're going with an increase of that for

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make it attractive to want to, you know,

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Speaker 1: particular in Hamlin County. She's Commissioner Alisha Reese all over

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Speaker 1: this one. I know it's kind of a minor point.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a little bit of real estate wonkiness

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Speaker 1: But uh, you know, again, as we've been saying, enough

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Speaker 1: crumbs make a loaf. All the basketball chat again soon

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Speaker 2: Okay, all adds up, Sloan, And at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, the consumer, the taxpayer, is the one is

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Speaker 2: getting all these bills and everything's going up. So thank

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Speaker 2: you for having me on. And keep your eyes. We

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Speaker 1: You're a fiscal pit bull. Reese, You're a fiscal pit bull.

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Speaker 1: All right, take care of there you go. We got

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Speaker 1: news on the way, pitbull. We need a pit bull

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Speaker 1: in there. Just I think the thing that rubs you

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Speaker 1: news is hey bye, by the way, uh, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to pay more when you want to sell your house.

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Speaker 1: So we got that going on, which is terrible sloany

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