Speaker 1: You don't want to be an American, all right, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Do it.
Speaker 3: A lot happening over the weekend, as you know here
Speaker 3: at Scott Flown on seven hundred WLW week follow what's
Speaker 3: happening in Iran with a lot of interest obviously too
Speaker 3: is we have some casualties now on the American side.
Speaker 1: More on that in a bit.
Speaker 3: First all a little bit closer to home or a
Speaker 3: lot closer to home. We had nine people shot inside
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati's one of our largest music venues overnight at
Speaker 3: Riverfront Live. A gunman got past mel detector somehow opened
Speaker 3: with a handgun and shot a bunch of people. Nine injured. Fortunately,
Speaker 3: everyone is going to recover. This happened about one am
Speaker 3: Sunday morning on Kellogg Avenue in the East End. Non
Speaker 3: life threatening gunshot wounds. Everybody's stable condition, but some people
Speaker 3: were trampled leaving the venue in indegurery that way. Still
Speaker 3: no one has been arrested in this case. She is
Speaker 3: a member of the Public Safety and Governance Committee and
Speaker 3: joins the show this morning, and that's Council Member Anna
Speaker 3: Alby on seven hundred W All, Good morning, how are you,
Speaker 3: how's your weekend?
Speaker 4: Good morning. Well, I appreciate being here today. I wish
Speaker 4: it was under better circumstances.
Speaker 3: As always got right right, you know it is. It's
Speaker 3: a story, is oldest time. We're going to have a
Speaker 3: lot of people together and you're gonna get knuckleheads with
Speaker 3: a gun.
Speaker 1: Nothing new there.
Speaker 3: But I think what's interesting here, Anna, is the gunman
Speaker 3: got pasted, a pat down, a wand a walk through
Speaker 3: metal detector maybe all three. And as a lawmaker, what
Speaker 3: does that tell you about the limits of private venue security?
Speaker 3: But more importantly, we know that a lot of I
Speaker 3: don't know a lot maybe, but at least a handful
Speaker 3: of CPD off duty officers were there as part of
Speaker 3: the security detail, and yet this happened.
Speaker 1: That that's pretty disturbing, it is.
Speaker 4: And you know, I music venue, h you know, I've
Speaker 4: been there and I've had a great time. So you know,
Speaker 4: it's one of those instances where it just hits close
Speaker 4: to home because we all want to be able to
Speaker 4: go out and have these types of events in our city, right.
Speaker 4: We want to be able to welcome, you know, performers
Speaker 4: and have these concerts. And to think that even with
Speaker 4: what sounds like all the right security things in place
Speaker 4: that something so tragic can still happen. I'll be honest
Speaker 4: with something like this. It truly leads me, you know,
Speaker 4: a little speechless almost because to your point, there were
Speaker 4: security guards inside, there was a police detail outside, there
Speaker 4: was you know, metal detectors. So at some point we
Speaker 4: have to say, come on, like, we need responsible gun owners.
Speaker 4: We need people who know how to deal with their
Speaker 4: issues without pulling out a deadly weapon.
Speaker 3: I mean, but these are pretty clearly I'm going to
Speaker 3: go on and look, I'm a I'm a gunner. Ninety
Speaker 3: nine percent of people are law abiding gun owners. This
Speaker 3: isn't someone being responsible, irrespond, This is just someone who
Speaker 3: has a gun and uses an extension to settle beachs. Basically,
Speaker 3: you know a man child or woman child generally as
Speaker 3: a man child. That this has nothing new with gun owners,
Speaker 3: responsible gun ownership. This and I'll go on record as
Speaker 3: saying I'm gonna I'm gonna bet the person that let
Speaker 3: that place up on Saturday probably was restricted from having
Speaker 3: a handgun because of prior felonies. I will in the
Speaker 3: bet that that person had a handgun under disability.
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's information that's still you know,
Speaker 4: under investigation, I.
Speaker 3: Say, and I'm gonna bet that that person should not
Speaker 3: have had a gun.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's true, and it's so you know, are we
Speaker 4: work closely through the Grime Crime Gun Intelligence Center with
Speaker 4: ATS and other local law enforcement to get crime guns
Speaker 4: off the streets for that very reason. Right, So I
Speaker 4: think you and I agree here, like if people shouldn't
Speaker 4: if someone shouldn't have a gun, we don't want them
Speaker 4: to have a gun.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So whatever we can do locally to make sure that
Speaker 4: people who are in illegal possession of the gun, we
Speaker 4: can get that firearm out of their possession as soon
Speaker 4: as possible is so vital for that instances like this,
Speaker 4: But we know more broadly, we are seeing already this
Speaker 4: year multiple situations where frankly, alcohol en firearms don't Mixinitely,
Speaker 4: We've had multiple shootings now that are in the content
Speaker 4: of either being out at a bar or party, bus
Speaker 4: or music venue. We need people if they're going out
Speaker 4: to enjoy a night on the count, which I want
Speaker 4: them to do. I want them to enjoy some snatty nightwafe,
Speaker 4: leave the guns at home, Leave the guns at home. Right,
Speaker 4: We want you, you and everyone else to be safe
Speaker 4: and Also again, people are just lacking the ability to
Speaker 4: turn down the temperature when conflict arises. The fact that
Speaker 4: anyone would reach for a gun when there's a dispute,
Speaker 4: it's crazy to me. We need to be able to
Speaker 4: have disagreements and settle things out like adults without turning
Speaker 4: to a deadly weapon. And that comes back to the
Speaker 4: responsible gun ownership.
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, it's not even that, it's just like
Speaker 3: people just don't know that. There's whole Semmens society does
Speaker 3: not know how to settle an argument or debate maybe
Speaker 3: a fist or an argument, but they ask, like quickly
Speaker 3: to a gun. It could have been something entirely stoid.
Speaker 3: Probably was pretty something stupid as well. But this is
Speaker 3: a long like someone this is like deliberately walked in
Speaker 3: there with a gun looking to shoot the place up
Speaker 3: because they were on camo and everything else. So how
Speaker 3: they get past security is going to be a huge
Speaker 3: question that needs to be answered, especially with off duty
Speaker 3: cops there.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent, I think how they get through, how
Speaker 4: they got through security, that that's something that we're all
Speaker 4: interested here. You know, I heard it interview with the
Speaker 4: venue owner. He too is trying to figure that out
Speaker 4: and understand how this can happen. You know, I will
Speaker 4: highlight in the state statute because I looked this up yesterday.
Speaker 4: You know, guns are allowed in bars unless a private
Speaker 4: venue takes all those steps which we saw done. To me,
Speaker 4: there should just be a blanket wall that says no
Speaker 4: guns in bars. No guns in bars.
Speaker 3: Well, there are right, you're not allowed to have a
Speaker 3: gun when you're drinking or I mean you're drinking your alcohol. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's but but that's why they had metalt it.
Speaker 3: The policy was no guns, and this one got through security. Now,
Speaker 3: if you go back to what was it, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, the Cameo nightclub shooting down on Kelly you know,
Speaker 3: same neighborhood. A man by the name of Cornell Buckley
Speaker 3: is the one who shot that place up and he
Speaker 3: got nineteen years. He's about halfway through a sentence right now.
Speaker 3: So it goes to show you, you know, that knuckleheads
Speaker 3: continue just to repeat what they do.
Speaker 1: But it cameo.
Speaker 3: The story was that if you had a VIP entry
Speaker 3: then you kind of didn't have to go through security,
Speaker 3: and so with Cameo, there are people kind of going
Speaker 3: through the back door, bringing their guns and drugs and
Speaker 3: everything else, and because they paid a lectra or knew
Speaker 3: the bouncers or there were you know, buddies of the
Speaker 3: people who work in security, we'd have no idea if
Speaker 3: that happened here. But according to people that I talked to,
Speaker 3: and I'm suret as well, Riverfront Live kind of learned
Speaker 3: from that and that you know, they're doing things differently
Speaker 3: down there, but again, you can't prevent it all from happening.
Speaker 3: And that's the disturbing part of cameo was like we
Speaker 3: found out they're paying people on the side to bring
Speaker 3: the guns in, and you know people are going to
Speaker 3: get shot if that's indeed the case. Also, and I
Speaker 3: will point out that the city wants to shut down
Speaker 3: in the in between tavern after violence outside there and
Speaker 3: maybe some things violating liquor laws or liquor licenses on
Speaker 3: the inside. But is your committee been aware of any
Speaker 3: safety prior safety concerns at We're Front Live and whether
Speaker 3: the radar for anything.
Speaker 4: That's a great question. The answers know that this is
Speaker 4: not a nuisance property. There hadn't been repeated issues, so
Speaker 4: I think again that that speaks the fact that from
Speaker 4: what I can tell, they were taking all the right steps.
Speaker 4: They had the CPD detailed, they had security, they had
Speaker 4: the metal detectors, they were taking all the right steps
Speaker 4: to make sure this is a safe night. So at
Speaker 4: that point that, you know, the question goes to the individual,
Speaker 4: what happened, why they do it, you know, and learning
Speaker 4: more about how that gun got through. But you know,
Speaker 4: more broadly, I think all the city is taking all
Speaker 4: the steps we can to really make sure that our life,
Speaker 4: our night life is protected and people are safe going out.
Speaker 4: So that's why taking swift action was in between with
Speaker 4: other nightclubs and bars previously, we have taken a firm
Speaker 4: stance in Cincinnati that that type of behavior from an institution,
Speaker 4: right if it's over serving, allowing people in with guns,
Speaker 4: is not going to be tolerated. We want people to
Speaker 4: enjoy going out in Cincinnati. That's you know, I get
Speaker 4: tea sometimes when I say we want to make Cincinnati
Speaker 4: cool again, right, we want people to think of Cincinnati
Speaker 4: is this fun place to be to come downtown enjoy
Speaker 4: all our restaurants and bars. So from the city's perspective,
Speaker 4: we're going to make sure that we're taking all the
Speaker 4: steps necessary. That's why we're here, you know, doing everything
Speaker 4: we can in this latest shooting to really figure out
Speaker 4: what went wrong, what was the gas? And I know
Speaker 4: CPD is going through the investigation right now and they'll
Speaker 4: update it as soon as they can regarding your suspects
Speaker 4: and details. But you know, until then, we're less to
Speaker 4: just kind of encourage people, Hey, when you're going out
Speaker 4: on the town, leave your gun at home. Be responsible,
Speaker 4: leave a gun at home. You know what, I will
Speaker 4: even take leaving it in a lock box in your car, right,
Speaker 4: like even that much. Just be relaunchable, be a smart
Speaker 4: gun owner.
Speaker 3: Well, we know that you should. You know that, like
Speaker 3: we need another ordinance. I guess if people don't buy.
Speaker 3: But we know that the main reason people young people,
Speaker 3: especially breaking the cars, is to get handguns. And they're
Speaker 3: of the story because you can't bring them into places
Speaker 3: probably like this venue. But it's safe to say, based
Speaker 3: on what I've seen so far, it seems like that
Speaker 3: individual deliberately brought the gun in there because they wanted
Speaker 3: to shoot the place up. And it wasn't you know,
Speaker 3: they wanted to leave their handgun in the hell. You
Speaker 3: know what, These are the stories It made me want
Speaker 3: to bring my handgun in and concealed carry anna. Quite honestly,
Speaker 3: I hear this and go, should I be carrying in
Speaker 3: area where I shouldn't be carrying? I think that's a
Speaker 3: valid question for the For people who are lawful gun owners,
Speaker 3: it make you illegal. But guess what I got to
Speaker 3: fight and chance?
Speaker 1: Then does this?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: No, but well, isn't that. But isn't that the idea
Speaker 1: that you carry a gun?
Speaker 3: You're telling me, okay, gotta leave your gun in the car,
Speaker 3: I gotta leave you Okay, great, I lock it up.
Speaker 1: I don't bring my weapon.
Speaker 3: All it takes is one person who, by the way,
Speaker 3: got through armed security screenings, metal detectors, pat downs, and wands.
Speaker 3: That makes me want to bring my gun more.
Speaker 4: I do not want to turn Cincinnati into the wild
Speaker 4: West here, right, you know, I probably over it already.
Speaker 3: Is I don't know if you if you've seen the
Speaker 3: headlines over the first two months of the year, but
Speaker 3: it kind of feels like the wild Westerns some places
Speaker 3: we don't.
Speaker 4: Want to turn, you know, Cincinnati or any area bar
Speaker 4: location into the shootout place. So again, to me to
Speaker 4: ask is to leave your gun at home or even
Speaker 4: in a lock box. You were right, you brought up
Speaker 4: a car being broken into, So having a you know,
Speaker 4: one of those boxes rather than just leaving in the
Speaker 4: glove compartment under the seat is really important. In fact,
Speaker 4: we have with since I Flee, started handing out those
Speaker 4: lost boxes made for cars at Bengals tailgates specifically for
Speaker 4: this reason, so people who can't take their guns into
Speaker 4: the stadium can leave them safely in their car and
Speaker 4: be responsible.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Just I know I'm sounding like I'm repeating myself here, but.
Speaker 3: If I bring my gun with me because I fear
Speaker 3: something like this happened in a big event like this,
Speaker 3: I am being a responsible gun over That's the whole
Speaker 3: point of it. To bring in case some knucklehead like
Speaker 3: this decides to go on a shooting spree. I got
Speaker 3: a chance to save myself, my family, and maybe the
Speaker 3: people around me. That is responsible gun ownership.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna have to agree to disagree on this one,
Speaker 4: because you know, having more guns in this situation to
Speaker 4: me would a make well if.
Speaker 3: You can pass more laws and more restrictions we always
Speaker 3: talk about with you, but generally speaking that democrats like
Speaker 3: to talk about then find when the laws work and
Speaker 3: we don't have these things happening. Let me know, because
Speaker 3: then I'll leave my gun at home and I'll be
Speaker 3: another question. Mayor Pirval mentioned leaning on state and federal partnerships.
Speaker 3: I know that atf is one of the government. Federal
Speaker 3: government agencies evolved here in this whole thing, and you
Speaker 3: welcome them. Yet the city and I think even you
Speaker 3: yourself said the city wouldn't cooperate with ICE.
Speaker 1: Is there some hypocrisy there?
Speaker 4: So to be clear, So contact seria leader, you're listeners here.
Speaker 4: So we passed a series of motions at city Hall
Speaker 4: last week. All of them were very specifically directed towards
Speaker 4: civil immigration enforcement, and multiple federal courts have ruled that
Speaker 4: local municipalities local law enforcement cannot be compelled to execute
Speaker 4: federal civil and so what we are saying is just
Speaker 4: follow the law if you're going to do these operations
Speaker 4: and you want.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 4: The two pieces we did was not sharing real time
Speaker 4: access to our surveillance, so cameras like and plate readers
Speaker 4: grown without a judicial warrant or court order or being
Speaker 4: mandated by law. And then the second part was not
Speaker 4: allowing immigration enforcement to stay used city property to stage
Speaker 4: again without a judicial warrant or court order. So we're
Speaker 4: saying you can do it, just go through the legal process, right,
Speaker 4: get that judicial warrant, get that court order. That is
Speaker 4: what we're asking. Again, this is very much constrained through
Speaker 4: the context of civil federal immigration enforcement.
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's specifically, We're going to follow a letter
Speaker 3: of the law there. But as I said, you know,
Speaker 3: with ATF and other agencies, you want their help in
Speaker 3: this case. And I guess when I said, is it
Speaker 3: somewhat hypocritical? Is the fact that well, you know, we
Speaker 3: may disagree with it. You may disagree that I may
Speaker 3: disagree with parts of of how they do this. I
Speaker 3: think some people, my people listening would agree with me
Speaker 3: on this one. But at the same time, if if,
Speaker 3: if it's federal law, they have every right to do that.
Speaker 3: So I mean, you change the law, you lobby your lawmakers,
Speaker 3: and we change the law. And so I guess, I
Speaker 3: guess you can't. You can't have it both ways. I
Speaker 3: guess this is what I'm saying is, hey, we're going
Speaker 3: to lean in ATF and other agencies, and this one
Speaker 3: is like, well, you know you're gonna have to get
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to pull warrants and everything. In other cases,
Speaker 3: we may be looking the other way, going, hey, it's
Speaker 3: we have I mean, we just have an action in
Speaker 3: Iran today. Now, technically you're supposed to go to Congress
Speaker 3: with the War Powers Act and declare war in Iran.
Speaker 3: We haven't done that with any nation in a long time.
Speaker 3: Kind of the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, great point on the warner Iran. That is,
Speaker 4: you know, insane and worth another conversation. But I want
Speaker 4: to go back and speak to your point about the
Speaker 4: ATS specifically, when I was crafting and working with ALAW
Speaker 4: to craft the language around these two motions, we talked
Speaker 4: a lot about the partnership at the Crime Gun Intelligence
Speaker 4: Center and how we're working with atf how we work
Speaker 4: with FBI to make sure that the language and those
Speaker 4: motions did not interfere with those joint operations, because again,
Speaker 4: we all share at the end of the day, the
Speaker 4: goal of getting the bad guys off the streets.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: We do not want violent criminals on our street. We
Speaker 4: are here to work together on that, and so what
Speaker 4: we did last week around the civil immigration requirements is
Speaker 4: separate from getting the violent criminals off our street and
Speaker 4: we worked really hard to make sure we got that
Speaker 4: language right and frankly in conjunction with talking to CPD
Speaker 4: asking those law enforcement experts, you know, how do we
Speaker 4: make sure we don't interrupt those really great operations happening,
Speaker 4: but still make sure we're protecting our city resources. I
Speaker 4: said this last week. I'll say it again. These motions
Speaker 4: are about making sure that city resources, whether that the
Speaker 4: you know, data surveillance, our properties, are our people, is
Speaker 4: focused on city issues, right and we are not in
Speaker 4: charge of the federal immigration enforcement. That's not our job.
Speaker 4: That's the federal government's job. So we're really just protecting
Speaker 4: our resources and raining down the rules of the road
Speaker 4: for ICE when they're in Cincinnati, right. We once in
Speaker 4: the fall in law. I don't think anyone listening to
Speaker 4: us right now would think what happened in Minneapolis with
Speaker 4: two US citizens shot and killed in the middle of
Speaker 4: the street. I don't think anyone in Sintatti wants that
Speaker 4: to happen here.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, or any anywhere for the matter. I agreed
Speaker 3: final point here an I'll be regarding the shooting on
Speaker 3: Saturday night early Sunday morning at Riverfront Live on Kellaig Avenue.
Speaker 3: Pretty big venue. I think it holds. I want to say, like,
Speaker 3: so you said he'd been there about like thirty five
Speaker 3: four thousand people thirty five.
Speaker 1: Hundred, which is a couple of thousand. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: definitely big venue. But I'm going to pray that night.
Speaker 3: But literally, people getting trampled and everything else in the
Speaker 3: crowds look huge for this birthday party for DJ. In
Speaker 3: that regard is this should does city be looking at
Speaker 3: how big events like this are big venues handle security?
Speaker 3: Is that going to be examined or should it?
Speaker 4: I think everything's on the table again, trying to figure
Speaker 4: out how this happened, you know, what went wrong? I
Speaker 4: think all of that is on the table, whether that's
Speaker 4: something in terms of what the individuals venue is doing
Speaker 4: or the person themselves. I think that's all on the table.
Speaker 4: I personally am really eager to hear those detailed investigation
Speaker 4: when since I police is ready to release it, and
Speaker 4: you know, the owner of the venue has been really
Speaker 4: cooperating and out publicly speaking about all the things they
Speaker 4: had in place to prevent something like this.
Speaker 3: Can you tell me, because you were on public safety
Speaker 3: and governance, if you've got any word do they have
Speaker 3: a suspect. I publicly they're saying no, but is there
Speaker 3: a short list here? Do they kind of know who
Speaker 3: the person was.
Speaker 4: I'm going to stick to the CPD talking points here, right,
Speaker 4: I'll point you back to what they've.
Speaker 3: Been sharing, So we wouldn't say if an arrest is imminent,
Speaker 3: we will not go that far. We will not go
Speaker 3: that far. Gotcha. She is a council member. Ann Holby
Speaker 3: on the show Public Safety and Governance. Horrible story here.
Speaker 3: Just you know, it makes you frightened, you know, and
Speaker 3: you may not be out in the crowd like that
Speaker 3: going well, I'd never beat an event like that. That
Speaker 3: might be, but you know, sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters certainly
Speaker 3: will be your aunt's uncles and nephews. I like a
Speaker 3: good concert, good show. I'm open to pretty much everything.
Speaker 3: But you see this and it makes you think twice,
Speaker 3: just because it just takes one knucklehead like this, with
Speaker 3: whatever beef it was, to go shoot the place up
Speaker 3: and this is what happens. She's Anna Alby. Thanks again
Speaker 3: for the time. You have a great week.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, appreciate ITAA.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 3: It's a Scott's Loan show with News on the way
Speaker 3: in just about five minutes here on the Big One,
Speaker 3: we'll continue talking about this topic here. So, yeah, a shooting.
Speaker 3: You know with DJ you're probably not gonna be in
Speaker 3: that kind of environment. But you know, to a point
Speaker 3: is that, Hey, you know what, leave your gun in
Speaker 3: the car. Okay, if we're all law abiding people and
Speaker 3: we do that and leave it locked up and not
Speaker 3: bring it with us in the first place, and you
Speaker 3: go into a venue where there's a lot of people around,
Speaker 3: and it could be this, it could be church, it
Speaker 3: could be the theater. You know, I'm gonna go see
Speaker 3: a movie, could be the Aaron Off Center, could be
Speaker 3: I don't know wherever it is you are, and you
Speaker 3: shouldn't have it with you. We've got signs up. Let
Speaker 3: me ask you something. Doesn't this make you want to
Speaker 3: bring it anyway? I mean, isn't that There's one saying, well,
Speaker 3: common sense gun laws and gun great, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: work because there are people like this.
Speaker 1: He deliberately leave your.
Speaker 3: Gun in there. He brought in the there deliberately to
Speaker 3: shoot people whoever it was the target was. But nine
Speaker 3: people got shot. Fortunately, everyone's gonna make it out but
Speaker 3: that could have been much, much, much worse. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but I hear that and go that makes me want
Speaker 3: to bring my gun it. I don't know, if I
Speaker 3: go to the wherever it might be a Red's game,
Speaker 3: Bengals game, now, chances are you're not gonna get get
Speaker 3: through security with it. But a big event like that
Speaker 3: Hall Taste of Cincinnati's coming up, they you know, common
Speaker 3: sense is that, well, the whole reason good people have
Speaker 3: them is in the event that they face something like this.
Speaker 3: I may have I may not survive, but I got
Speaker 3: a chance because typically when someone liked that starts firing
Speaker 3: and someone else produces a weapon, they tend to run
Speaker 3: or drop or you know, they don't. They might fire
Speaker 3: at the individual shooting the gun. I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 3: discharging with nine, you know, three thousand people around a
Speaker 3: good idea. But that's the mindset I think most responsible
Speaker 3: gun owners have. If you're a responsible gun homer, to
Speaker 3: leave it, Oh well, what's what's the point of concealed
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Speaker 3: I was talking to Annaho a Bee minutes ago public
Speaker 3: Safety and Governance about the mass shooting in the East End.
Speaker 3: We'll get into the Iran stuff here in just a second,
Speaker 3: of course. On that shooting. Yeah, the idea that I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't want to put words her mouth.
Speaker 3: It just seems she was a little hung up on
Speaker 3: the responsible gun owners. You know, responsible gunners don't bring
Speaker 3: guns into a facility, a building like this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we know that. But I don't think there's a responsible
Speaker 3: gun owner. As I said, I'm willing to bet the
Speaker 3: farm that this individual had priors it prevented them from
Speaker 3: having a weapon like this in the first place. Called
Speaker 3: weapons or disability and disability is that you're convicted already
Speaker 3: of something, a felony that would prevent you from having
Speaker 3: that weapon. Man, you think somebody just woke up one
Speaker 3: day and said, Okay, I'm gonna go in there. I mean,
Speaker 3: I could be wrong about that. I've been wrong about
Speaker 3: things in the past. But it just feels me with
Speaker 3: the environment at the time of night and all that,
Speaker 3: that this person probably already had things happening in their past.
Speaker 3: They shouldn't have had that gun in the first place.
Speaker 3: That's not a responsible gun owner. Now, you could become
Speaker 3: an irresponsible gun owner and bring a gun into a
Speaker 3: venue like that and not pull it out and have
Speaker 3: it on your person just in case something happens. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that makes you. That makes you a lawbreaker, right,
Speaker 3: it makes your criminal, sure does.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I look at Austin, Texas. Two people killed, fourteen wounded.
Speaker 3: A guy opens fire outside of buyer early yesterday. The
Speaker 3: FBI said that there's indications of terrorism. The guy they
Speaker 3: had tirewell, he's dead now. But fifty three year old
Speaker 3: Singhalis Men, allegedly wearing a T shirt with an Iranian
Speaker 3: flagun at screaming out of lockbar, was responsible. He drove
Speaker 3: around the neighborhood multiple times in an suv before he
Speaker 3: fired out the window with people at the bar, and
Speaker 3: then he parked the car nearby and started shooting at
Speaker 3: pedestrians and the police got there. And killed the guy,
Speaker 3: and ems responded to the shooting I think within fifty
Speaker 3: seven seconds, which is incredible, but still too dead and
Speaker 3: fourteen wounded. Okay, he's not a responsible gun owner. That's
Speaker 3: it sounds like it's a terrorist, is what it sounds like.
Speaker 3: Retaliating for Iran, And we're probably sadly going to see
Speaker 3: in the realities, we're going to see more of that
Speaker 3: belong to this drags on. Okay, that's part of living
Speaker 3: in society today. We're always at risk. The minute you
Speaker 3: leave your houll you know, obviously say leave your house,
Speaker 3: but the minute you meant you wake up in the morning,
Speaker 3: if you wake up, there's a chance that something bad
Speaker 3: could happen. It's a very very very small chance. Shouldn't
Speaker 3: live our lives in fear. But I think my points
Speaker 3: vowed were, Hey, look, if you know I go to
Speaker 3: a bar or a restaurant or a game, whatever it
Speaker 3: might be, and you know there's a number of people around.
Speaker 3: I know the sign says gun for z own, you're
Speaker 3: not allowed to bring it in there. And this place
Speaker 3: even had metal detectors crying out loud, you'd probably be
Speaker 3: pretty dumb to try and bring a gun in, which
Speaker 3: makes you think that maybe he knew somebody at the
Speaker 3: door or got you know, a kind of got like
Speaker 3: a side door opened in the past, like with Cameo.
Speaker 1: We don't know yet. We'll find out.
Speaker 3: But my point is I just I assume you just
Speaker 3: assume in there that okay, it's a gun for his zone.
Speaker 1: No one has a gun. Well guess look what just happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not suggesting, you know, And I don't think
Speaker 3: my life is at risk in any time when I
Speaker 3: go out, and sometimes I carry, depending on the situation,
Speaker 3: sometimes not, but largely not because it's just the pain
Speaker 3: I'm about to have to lock the gun up and
Speaker 3: everything else. But here's an example where at least at
Speaker 3: this nightclub, maybe you had a chance. Although there are
Speaker 3: a lot of people around. I don't think it's a
Speaker 3: good idea to open fire with thousands of people around.
Speaker 3: But who knows what the what the situation was, and
Speaker 3: the investigation will find out whether or not there's an
Speaker 3: opportunity there.
Speaker 1: And I get it.
Speaker 3: These are things that make good people want to break
Speaker 3: the law and care of their guns, what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And we've been innudated with this and Hallett is just
Speaker 3: the beginning the first hours of March, and we've already
Speaker 3: had shootings too numerous dimension in January February when we
Speaker 3: had extreme cold through the area. And this is what
Speaker 3: scares me about things getting warmer and how much worse
Speaker 3: it might get this summer. I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 3: I certainly hope that that is not the case. You know,
Speaker 3: we go I don't know the details all of this thing,
Speaker 3: and it's just coming up, but it seems like we
Speaker 3: really better for backwards to go back in history and
Speaker 3: look for stuff to be offended about.
Speaker 1: I bring this up because a.
Speaker 3: Founding Senior Crossroads Church pastor, Brian Tom has been suspended.
Speaker 3: They're doing an independent investigation into inappropriate physical humor. Speaking
Speaker 3: for everyone in radio and entertainment, I don't think there's anything.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I'm trying to think of a definition
Speaker 3: of inappropriate. Physically, I think all physical humor is very appropriate.
Speaker 3: Might have been at the wrong time. Maybe I am
Speaker 3: pro physical humor. So there's an independent review of what
Speaker 3: they called inappropriate conducted and label from a I guess
Speaker 3: a video shoot from twenty to fifteen. So we're going
Speaker 3: back over a decade ago to twenty fifteen. They looked
Speaker 3: into this two years ago and I guess their spiritual
Speaker 3: bored or the whoever investigates such things, and they had
Speaker 3: a conversation with Pastor Tome and reminded him that he
Speaker 3: is the leader of the church and kind of admonished
Speaker 3: him somewhat and slapped him on the rest and said,
Speaker 3: you just need to keep kind of be mindful. It
Speaker 3: wasn't anything to get fired over. Having a big investigator
Speaker 3: criminal nothing criminal wrongdoing with suggestion here. I don't know
Speaker 3: what the inappropriate physical humor was during a video shoot,
Speaker 3: but maybe caught up in the moment and certainly is
Speaker 3: a man, you know, a moral man but also mortal.
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, you just want a little otside of
Speaker 3: what a pastor should be done, fair enough, and he
Speaker 3: got a slap by the rest of it. You probably
Speaker 3: need to be more mindful this thing. So why are
Speaker 3: we opening this again? We're doing this again. So the
Speaker 3: same community member, church member contacted the church about the incident.
Speaker 3: So they're now going to bring in an independent investigator
Speaker 3: to look into this thing. And maybe there's something to
Speaker 3: do with the staff member that was fired in January.
Speaker 3: I think this creep had I think it was videoing
Speaker 3: women working out a crunch and Oakley right across the street.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure the whole situation, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: how far back do you go and you look at
Speaker 3: someone's record, going, Okay, it was ten years ago and
Speaker 3: already knew this about you and whatever punishment there was,
Speaker 3: and it really wasn't much punishment.
Speaker 1: It was more like.
Speaker 3: A correction of behavior and it didn't rise to him
Speaker 3: being suspended or fired or anything like that. So but
Speaker 3: now we've got to look at it a second time.
Speaker 3: It's just a weird it's a bizarre stories. What it
Speaker 3: is very very bizarre, very very bizarre. You know, it
Speaker 3: fell off the face of the earth since we had
Speaker 3: all this big news is trying to figure out what
Speaker 3: happened with the boat from Florida that went to Cuba
Speaker 3: and got these guys got killed here anything else about that,
Speaker 3: And now that we've attacked Iran and you know there's
Speaker 3: some terrorists. I just I don't know what to make
Speaker 3: of this whole thing. It's just one of those stories
Speaker 3: that kind of felt like it's like Savannah Guthrie's mouth.
Speaker 3: Nancy Guthrie. It's gonna fay off all off the face
Speaker 3: of the earth because while we're in a new news
Speaker 3: cycle now we've got shooting here, but more part nationally speaking,
Speaker 3: it's Iran, and that's gonna take a lot of oxygen
Speaker 3: jump in the in the media newsroom. I'm just not sure.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what happened that whole I just wanted
Speaker 3: to put that out there.
Speaker 6: Go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you remember that Cuban boat? Somebody will asking
Speaker 3: about that in a couple of months ago. Hey, remember
Speaker 3: that those people that took the boat to Cuba and
Speaker 3: they got shot killed? What what the hell was that about?
Speaker 3: Not sure if the Florida, if the state of Florida
Speaker 3: or someone from Florida decided that they were gonna go
Speaker 3: in and start war war in Cuba, gonna go free
Speaker 3: Cuba or something like that. They're in a little bay
Speaker 3: of piglet. Bay of piglets is what we'll call this thing.
Speaker 3: We'll call it the Bay of piglets. Uh, it's five one, three,
Speaker 3: seven thousand, real quick here, let me get to Brett
Speaker 3: and Mason here on the big one.
Speaker 5: Brett, how you doing good? I just want to I
Speaker 5: just want to talk about you know, I was listening
Speaker 5: to that in the conference with the mayor and all
Speaker 5: that stuff. Yeah, and you know, look, man, everybody wants
Speaker 5: to have talked about responsible gun ownership, gun ownership, responsible
Speaker 5: this you know, guns. This this is not about guns.
Speaker 5: This is about a culture and about morality and about
Speaker 5: the way these people are brought up and raised. Uh,
Speaker 5: it's much deeper than guns. This is a cultural thing, okay,
Speaker 5: where they decide to use guns instead of other things, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, arguing, I don't know whatever whatever
Speaker 5: they can use besides guns. But this, this is not
Speaker 5: a gun thing. And you know the talking about love,
Speaker 5: teach your guns, you know, locked up, don't let them
Speaker 5: steal guns out of your cars. Well, how is it
Speaker 5: my in my responsibility is for some reason, and I'm
Speaker 5: unlucky enough to have a firearm stolen from me. Now
Speaker 5: I'm the problem. I'm the reason that these people got shot.
Speaker 5: I think it's very irresponsible to continue to point the
Speaker 5: finger at inanimate objects or whatever you want to say,
Speaker 5: right because the guy could add a knife and knife
Speaker 5: incisee nine people up.
Speaker 3: But I don't to get right about that. I mean,
Speaker 3: we have lost the ability. It seems like we've lost
Speaker 3: in our culture the ability to have a debate, to
Speaker 3: be reasoned. And I think it's even true for the
Speaker 3: intellectual class. I mean, you know, we just spend all
Speaker 3: the time, look at political rallies and everything else. People
Speaker 3: spend time just shouting everyone else down. A student, you
Speaker 3: got a college campus, and you have to have an
Speaker 3: area where it's a safe zone because I'm allowed to
Speaker 3: exercise my First Amendment rights but you're not. And of
Speaker 3: course this fits in the d on a bunch of
Speaker 3: the things as well, and you're right, it's it's and
Speaker 3: now society has course, and at least in this way anyway,
Speaker 3: in many ways we're much better. But where people will
Speaker 3: just pick up a gun where they used to use
Speaker 3: their fists of their mouth, and it's it's the fault
Speaker 3: into that, and so you know, putting the bonus back
Speaker 3: on responsible. Look, I brought it up a few times, going, look,
Speaker 3: if you bring a gun with you, If you have
Speaker 3: a gun and you're like, I'm not going to bring
Speaker 3: it in there, you should have a lock box, right,
Speaker 3: you should if you can afford the gun, in the
Speaker 3: in the ammunition, have it secured in a safe somewhere
Speaker 3: and I don't know if an ordinance helps with that
Speaker 3: or not. Probably not, but I you know, i'd like
Speaker 3: to think that responsible gunners go, Okay, well I've got
Speaker 3: a trigger lock, I got a safe. I need one
Speaker 3: of my vehicle in my trunk wherever, so I could
Speaker 3: at least make an attempt to do that, because so
Speaker 3: many people are just sticking in the console under the
Speaker 3: seat that people are breaking in and stealing it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that solves.
Speaker 5: Come on, I mean, we both know how easily you know,
Speaker 5: guns are available, and it doesn't matter if somebody steals
Speaker 5: one of they're gonna get They're going to get a gun.
Speaker 5: But you know, the bottom line. And see, I talked
Speaker 5: to these folks. I've talked to these young kids, these
Speaker 5: young black kids, and I act them straight up. I said, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, why, why why guns? What's with the gun?
Speaker 5: But why can't you guys get out into the street,
Speaker 5: do some fistic cups, yell at each other, settle your differences,
Speaker 5: you know. And and he's like, they just don't want to, man,
Speaker 5: because they just don't want to. They just think that
Speaker 5: using a gun is the way, it is the way
Speaker 5: to go. And and and so it's it's a cultural thing, man.
Speaker 5: It's a subculture of folks that just think that guns
Speaker 5: are the answer to any argument or any disagreement.
Speaker 7: And that's what I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not bright, I'm not I'm not saying that, Hey,
Speaker 3: it's our fault because we live our guns in our
Speaker 3: car unlocked. I'm saying, is it used to be people
Speaker 3: breaking the windows to steal change out of your you know,
Speaker 3: out of your console or find and then it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I got you got a nice stereo. I'm ripping that
Speaker 3: off the number ringers. And now that young people are
Speaker 3: doing this and such, and we saw this with the
Speaker 3: hinting thing is that they they think there's a gun
Speaker 3: in there. They're looking for weapons as well as other
Speaker 3: valuables too. So it is the reality. I don't know
Speaker 3: if they should put more burden not legal gun owners
Speaker 3: like ourselves. But I'll tell you what, more these things happen,
Speaker 3: the more I want to become like the criminals and
Speaker 3: carry with me when I shouldn't. I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 3: what's the whole point of self defense if I'm leaving
Speaker 3: my gun in the car.
Speaker 5: Well, that's true too, but in the support systems. Where's
Speaker 5: the punishment?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: I I as part of as part of anyway I was.
Speaker 7: I was in a.
Speaker 5: Courtroom in Cincinnati about a month ago, and there was
Speaker 5: there was somebody got in front of the magistrate and
Speaker 5: he was I don't know, menacing or something. He says, now, okay,
Speaker 5: I need you to come back. Well wait a minute,
Speaker 5: wait a minute. You've you've you've missed. You've missed court
Speaker 5: sixty three times. And I sat there and talked to myself.
Speaker 1: What's the thing.
Speaker 5: He's like, sixty three times, Scott, he did not show
Speaker 5: up for court with zero ramifications. And he goes, well,
Speaker 5: how do I know you'll show up this time and
Speaker 5: it won't be sixty four?
Speaker 1: Oh well, I promise you will go again.
Speaker 5: Let him go again sixty three times? I about. We
Speaker 5: all kind of looked at each other, you know, in
Speaker 5: the courtroom. I'm like, did he send sixteen? And oh?
Speaker 5: He argued? He's like, no, no, you're honor. That's it's
Speaker 5: only twenty three.
Speaker 7: He said.
Speaker 3: You know, we really got to go to the three
Speaker 3: strikes in your eye. It's like you know when you
Speaker 3: cut an ankle, monitor off. It's okay, we'll get him
Speaker 3: when we get a chance. No, that should be that
Speaker 3: should be brought up immediately, go hey, you know what,
Speaker 3: we push you to the front of the list. We're
Speaker 3: gonna come get We're gonna come snatch you up because
Speaker 3: you're not doing something legally. You're cutting the ankle Monder
Speaker 3: off to go commit a crime. No one's cutting it
Speaker 3: off and then going oh God, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 3: UDF and get a get a Sunday. I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: to cutting it off because.
Speaker 1: I want to go to church. Don't You're gonna go
Speaker 1: out and shoot somebody.
Speaker 3: Hey, Brett Bewell Man, I appreciate the call of five one, three, seven, four, nine,
Speaker 3: seven thousand. Uh, I'm the Brian Tilam thing Tony, what's up?
Speaker 6: Hey, Uh, just just clarify Scott the the whole thing.
Speaker 6: Ten years ago, a parishioner goes into Brian's office. Heed's
Speaker 6: an award on Brian's desk, ask about it. Brian picks
Speaker 6: up the award, does something inappropriate with the ward, and
Speaker 6: the parishioner reports him, Okay, they have an investigation. The
Speaker 6: parishioner says they're satisfied with the investigation, they admonish Brian.
Speaker 6: And now same parishioner comes in a year later and
Speaker 6: or two years later and brings this up again. There's
Speaker 6: no new evidence, no new nothing, and now they're bringing
Speaker 6: uh independent counsel in.
Speaker 3: I wonder why we're bringing that, Why this is an
Speaker 3: issue now when a second time for the people who
Speaker 3: are happy with the outcome the first time. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's tied to the Oakley, but you know,
Speaker 3: if he's doing I don't know if the statue is
Speaker 3: in Inny or an Audi he was in because it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a It's going to be a crotch joke,
Speaker 3: is what it's going to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's all a.
Speaker 3: Physical humwhere you're kind of restricted in what you can
Speaker 3: do with there's only somebody gags you can do. But
Speaker 3: you know, if it looked phallic or it looked otherwise. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know again it's okay, we investigated, you probably
Speaker 3: shouldn't do that. God that I'm a pastor, I should
Speaker 3: be better at that kind of stuff. Okay, got it.
Speaker 3: That seems to be enough for most people, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think the whole thing is way have a proportion.
Speaker 1: I forget how it was.
Speaker 3: It was athletes who did this for a while, and
Speaker 3: it hasn't happened well, but like they'll go back. People
Speaker 3: go back and they'll sign an athlete somebody to sign
Speaker 3: up a contract, or they'll get drafted, and then they'll
Speaker 3: go find something on Twitter that they wrote when they
Speaker 3: were twelve years old.
Speaker 1: You know, I got there's a statute of limitations.
Speaker 6: Here, right, yeah, I mean, and not only the statue
Speaker 6: of limitations, but it's already been investigated, and the parishioner
Speaker 6: was satisfied two years ago, and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: the same parishioner is not satisfied.
Speaker 3: But how about this, Go find a new church. People
Speaker 3: do it all the time. There's like five thousand deities
Speaker 3: out there. Pick another one, go to a different church,
Speaker 3: go to different bread, go to it. And there's plenty
Speaker 3: of strip mall churches out there if you're gonna pick
Speaker 3: those kind of things. Like why we were visiting this
Speaker 3: little I have no idea, And maybe there's a lot
Speaker 3: more there than we know at this point that could
Speaker 3: very well be going on, but yeah, it just seems
Speaker 3: punitive at this point. All Right, we got a news
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Speaker 3: going on mass shooting in Cincinnati on early Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: We also have the war in Iran right now.
Speaker 3: The very latest three F fifteen shot down by Kuwaiti
Speaker 3: friendly fire. All kroumbers rescued there. Unfortunately, three service members
Speaker 3: are killed five wounded in attacks on US basis. Pete
Speaker 3: Hegseth SEC Defense was just talking earlier this morning.
Speaker 1: You heard their news.
Speaker 3: US and Israeli forces launch massive strikes in Iran Saturday morning.
Speaker 3: It's Operation Epic Fury and here we go again. One
Speaker 3: of the guys coming out in support of this, surprisingly
Speaker 3: as a Democrat, is Representative Greg Lansman on the show, Congressman, welcome,
Speaker 3: how are you. I'm good, I'm doing fine. Too much
Speaker 3: news and too much bad news at that. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, I was young enough to remember seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Uh didn't know you because I was a kid, but
Speaker 3: I remember hearing about that, going wow, we got hostages
Speaker 3: in the embassy. And here we are now in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six and Iran Supreme Leader Ayatola Kamanian was killed
Speaker 3: and a bunch of other top offishes as well, and
Speaker 3: so we have regime change underway and Iran, which generally
Speaker 3: are bad at you said you believe for decades the
Speaker 3: region would have peace without regime. This regime toppling the
Speaker 3: past administrations, including once you support it, chose not to
Speaker 3: act militarily, and you're supporting this. So what change and
Speaker 3: why is now the right moment?
Speaker 7: Greg Landsman, I've always thought that you had to stand
Speaker 7: up to Iran. Iran has caused enormous mayhem, chaos, violence, death.
Speaker 7: You know, Kamania is responsible for more death than been
Speaker 7: ladden by you know, tax right, and at some point
Speaker 7: you have to stand up to this regime and say
Speaker 7: enough enough the mayhem and the bloodshed can't continue, and
Speaker 7: we want peace. We want a Middle East. And you're
Speaker 7: seeing the golf other golf states jumping in. They want
Speaker 7: in Middle East without war, out this violence, without this chaos,
Speaker 7: without this mayhem mayhem, which has proved impossible with this regime.
Speaker 3: Well, they're the largest sponsor of state terrorism and so
Speaker 3: if you cut that hat off, that's the idea here.
Speaker 3: They're in chaos right now. But you called this, I
Speaker 3: think you said this was the best outcome for national security.
Speaker 3: But the FBI is now elevated terrorism alert for US
Speaker 3: and Iranian proxies are targeting American bases across the Middle East.
Speaker 3: So how's that a good outcome for.
Speaker 7: Security because it will hopefully lead to peace in the region.
Speaker 7: And ultimately when this dies down, you know, you won't
Speaker 7: see this ongoing threat. You know, at some point, again,
Speaker 7: you had to deal with this, and you know, for
Speaker 7: too long, you know, there has been an attempt to
Speaker 7: just sort of contain the regime, which has not worked.
Speaker 7: And we've seen what they've done in Lebanon with Hesbela
Speaker 7: just up you know, completely upended that country and its
Speaker 7: ability to govern itself. You've seen what they've done in
Speaker 7: Gaza with moss and and and the awful war it started. Uh.
Speaker 7: And you know uh Yemen. I mean, the number of
Speaker 7: lags lost, you know, because of the Hutines and what
Speaker 7: Iran's done there is staggering. And then they killed you know, thousands,
Speaker 7: tens of thousands of their own people during you know,
Speaker 7: the protests a couple of weeks ago, right, And so
Speaker 7: my hope and what I support, to be very clear,
Speaker 7: is very targeted strikes on Iranian military assets. So get
Speaker 7: rid of their you know, their their their missiles, the rockets,
Speaker 7: any attempt at achieving a nuke uh and uh and
Speaker 7: you know the high command. Uh. However, if this is
Speaker 7: going to be a protracted war, you know, regime change
Speaker 7: in in the sense that you send boots on the
Speaker 7: ground is not a good idea. And my hope is
Speaker 7: that the administration is not doing that, it's not preparing
Speaker 7: to do that. That Ultimately, this is on the Iranian
Speaker 7: people to sort out. And there's an inside game obviously
Speaker 7: with the Supreme leader gone, to sort out who's going
Speaker 7: to run the country. That could lead to somebody who
Speaker 7: will work with the world. The IATOTA refused to work
Speaker 7: with the world. Now they're diminished or depleted or destroyed
Speaker 7: military capabilities does mean that the chaos blend that mayhem
Speaker 7: should end. That's what I support, a protracted military operation.
Speaker 7: The President would need to come to the United States Congress,
Speaker 7: make his case and get the support, get the funding.
Speaker 7: I wish he's not done yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Congressman Greg Landsman from Washington this morning on seven hundred
Speaker 3: WLW with the latest on what's happening with Iran. He
Speaker 3: is backing it, breaking with a lot of Democrats on this.
Speaker 3: Your colleagues on the left as well as MAGA Republicans
Speaker 3: too are against this thing. And you know we mentioned
Speaker 3: is this the right moment? I would say, you know,
Speaker 3: student uprising and the level of people number killed and
Speaker 3: incarcerated because of that uprising, as well as the fact
Speaker 3: that you know, let's face it, there's few and few
Speaker 3: people alive today that remember what life was like in
Speaker 3: Iran pre nineteen seventy nine. And I think there's an
Speaker 3: opportunity here that's waning. As opposed to just looking at
Speaker 3: something in the history book, you have people said no,
Speaker 3: it was much better. We're democratized, women were going to
Speaker 3: university and we're free. And that's what the glory days
Speaker 3: were like. And we've seen generations that were just raised
Speaker 3: on oppression, and so I think in that context with
Speaker 3: the student uprising, I really think that that was the
Speaker 3: catalyst for this to happen.
Speaker 7: Agree, Yeah, I mean, you know the fact that they
Speaker 7: went and it wasn't just a crackdown. They murdered, Yes,
Speaker 7: you know, tens of thousands of people in the works
Speaker 7: of a couple days. And you know, if the world
Speaker 7: justs back and says we're not going to do anything,
Speaker 7: We're gonna We're gonna let them continue to not just oppressed,
Speaker 7: but murder their own people and fun terrorism all over
Speaker 7: the region, that's the problem. I mean, what does that
Speaker 7: say about us? Yes, this is a very hard decision.
Speaker 7: This is uh, you know, a very difficult moment, and
Speaker 7: and people are are nervous, scared, frustrated. I get that.
Speaker 7: I do think though, that you you have to uh
Speaker 7: take these moments and and do what you think is best.
Speaker 7: And in this case, I think the military and I
Speaker 7: trust the generals, I trust our allies are saying this
Speaker 7: is a moment to end the the the chaos of
Speaker 7: this regime. And uh, you know, I I hope that
Speaker 7: is what ultimately happens. I would like to understand to
Speaker 7: be clear what the full plan is. We get a
Speaker 7: briefing classify briefing by partisan briefing on Tuesday. That will
Speaker 7: be very important. And uh, and I think the administration
Speaker 7: the present needs to say this is what will happen now. Uh,
Speaker 7: it has not been as clear as it needs to
Speaker 7: be that in fact, what we're doing is destroying their
Speaker 7: ability to destroy right there. We're going after the bombs
Speaker 7: and the missiles and and and they are military infrastructure. Uh.
Speaker 7: And here's how we believe this will end. That is
Speaker 7: that is something that the American people need to hear.
Speaker 7: The United States Congress needs to hear and and and
Speaker 7: Congress does have a a big role. We declare war,
Speaker 7: we have to fund it. And so if this is
Speaker 7: anything more than targeted military strikes, they have to come
Speaker 7: to the United stund.
Speaker 3: Greig Glenn, do you think that Trump and the administration
Speaker 3: had the constitutional authority to do just that without getting
Speaker 3: a war declaration?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so the laws as that you know, the administration,
Speaker 7: the president can can engage for up to sixty days
Speaker 7: without you know, before getting a vote on Congress. If
Speaker 7: it goes beyond that, he needs a vote, and I
Speaker 7: agree with that. You know, they can't, they can't operate
Speaker 7: outside the constitution. We are a constitutional democracy and and
Speaker 7: you know, going after this repressive, you know, destructive, violent
Speaker 7: regime is I think the right move. Working within the
Speaker 7: constitutional democracy and going to Congress is also the right call.
Speaker 7: I would do that if it were me, I would
Speaker 7: be in front of Congress making the case, making the
Speaker 7: case united the American people and getting the support I need.
Speaker 7: I would be doing both. He needs to do both.
Speaker 3: Should we have done that one in Venezuela. I don't
Speaker 3: think most people care about that now in hindsight too
Speaker 3: or is that different?
Speaker 7: You know, Venezuela is uh I thought a award choice.
Speaker 7: I don't think this is a ward choice, I think
Speaker 7: or military action of choice, right, you know, I know
Speaker 7: he wanted to get a dureau he got Maduro. It
Speaker 7: is an incredible thing what the military did. There's no question,
Speaker 7: but nobody thought Venezuela was posing a threat to the
Speaker 7: United States of America militarily. There was obviously drugs and
Speaker 7: other things that needed to be dealt with, and and
Speaker 7: you know, I am all about you know, getting the
Speaker 7: Sentinel and all this stuff out of the country. Iran
Speaker 7: has obviously presented a grave threat to the region and
Speaker 7: to the world for decades. There's no question about that.
Speaker 7: And no one's arguing that this is not this is
Speaker 7: not something that you know, that we could continue to avoid.
Speaker 7: But I thought the the you know, going after Venezuela
Speaker 7: the way he did was not the right move, right.
Speaker 3: You know, do you think what I'll giving them too
Speaker 3: much credit here, Greg Lansman, do you think it was
Speaker 3: pre contextual in that it's like, well, if we get
Speaker 3: to Venezuela, get Maduro out of part of that, that helps.
Speaker 3: But also, we have a supply of oil now, and
Speaker 3: we're bringing the oil over, and now we go in
Speaker 3: week top we tackle I ran and it just so
Speaker 3: happens this is months after we've got a steady supply
Speaker 3: of oil coming in the United States for Venezuela, because
Speaker 3: we know the straight of horror moves is going to
Speaker 3: be closed off and gas prices are going to go out.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they offset each other or what
Speaker 3: the you know, I'm not smart enough to be able
Speaker 3: to figure that out. But if you believe in pre
Speaker 3: contextual things and plans and plots and conspiracies, those two
Speaker 3: things sure fit together.
Speaker 7: I do believe that the Venezuela was but oil, which
Speaker 7: I don't like and most Americans don't like don't go
Speaker 7: to work for oil. I do not believe that one
Speaker 7: was done to set up the other. I think Iran
Speaker 7: has been a big question for every president as to
Speaker 7: whether or not you can and negotiating and and and
Speaker 7: does diplomacy work or do you have to finally, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, fight back. And I believe Iran responds to strength.
Speaker 7: You know that they they they they they don't want
Speaker 7: what's happening right now.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: They want to continue to sort of I think, aff
Speaker 7: scape and and and build out their capacity to continue
Speaker 7: to terrorize the region and ultimately go after the United States.
Speaker 7: That's their ga Uh yeah, you know, So they they
Speaker 7: they're they're not you know, uh, they may be shady
Speaker 7: about how they build their stuff, but they're not, uh
Speaker 7: you know, shady about what they're intented. They're intended to
Speaker 7: kill us. So look, I I think this is uh,
Speaker 7: you know, the right move in the sense that you know,
Speaker 7: we're finally standing up to this brutal regime and the
Speaker 7: goal has to be not about anything other than peace.
Speaker 7: I really do believe that like this is this is
Speaker 7: a moment in history where the Middle East could fundamentally
Speaker 7: be transformed. And you look at Saudi Arabia and Bahrain
Speaker 7: and the UAE and others, and they're saying, look, we're
Speaker 7: trying to participate in the world. We're trying to bring
Speaker 7: the world here. We can't have you know, war and
Speaker 7: chaos and violence and terrorism. And we're saying, yeah, we agree,
Speaker 7: we want to be part of a renewed, transformed Middle East.
Speaker 3: In that regard, there's no transition plan here, there's no
Speaker 3: nation building framework. You know, we'd be headed. We took
Speaker 3: the head off the beast, but our diplomatic relations with
Speaker 3: Iran have not been existing since what nineteen eighty? All right,
Speaker 3: so we do this for a few weeks, the bomb
Speaker 3: stopped falling. We're really bad at nation building, We're really
Speaker 3: bad at regime change. Greg, how does that change this summary?
Speaker 1: And does it?
Speaker 7: Well, that's yeah, and that would change my position. I
Speaker 7: mean that that was never anything I've supported. I mean,
Speaker 7: I you know, the for me is, you know, continue
Speaker 7: to undermine its ability to cause violence and mayhem and
Speaker 7: and and and war. Right, so go after, you know,
Speaker 7: to completely destroy their ability to uh, you know, to
Speaker 7: mess with others in the region. I mean, cut off
Speaker 7: their lines to these terrace networks. Uh, destroyed the ballistic missiles,
Speaker 7: their their their capabilities around a nuke, et cetera. And
Speaker 7: you know, now that the aetola is gone, there is
Speaker 7: a there is a mechanism within the you know, Iranian
Speaker 7: regime to elect a new supreme leader. It's it's three
Speaker 7: it's three people, as I understand it, who now convene
Speaker 7: the council and they will decide. Now what happens there, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, could lead to some change where we now
Speaker 7: have of somebody in charge that we can work with.
Speaker 7: You are right that putting troops on the ground and
Speaker 7: and and doing nation building is a mistake that I
Speaker 7: would never support. Continuing to go after these military assets
Speaker 7: until they're gone, uh and then pulling back and seeing
Speaker 7: if we have a chance at peace, to me, is
Speaker 7: the right the right move.
Speaker 3: Okay, But some of the insiders say, well, what the
Speaker 3: regime is going to look like is far worse than
Speaker 3: we have with the COMNI because in that environment we
Speaker 3: have totalitarianism. Uh, it's all the generals, it's all the military,
Speaker 3: the autocrats. They take over power, and you wind up
Speaker 3: with a worse leadership role in Iran than you did
Speaker 3: before because it's all going to be about getting back
Speaker 3: to the United States and Israel and all the nations
Speaker 3: that that led the war in Iran. That's the danger there.
Speaker 3: We've seen it before, we'll see it again, probably Afghanistan,
Speaker 3: the latest version of that.
Speaker 7: M Yeah, I don't know if we'll see it here.
Speaker 7: You know, the fact is that uh, you know, they
Speaker 7: will have very little hopefully at the end of this
Speaker 7: uh limited operation. Uh. And it's hard to imagine anyone
Speaker 7: being worse than in the ietolah than a theocracy. This
Speaker 7: is a This is a guy that believes that he
Speaker 7: is uh believed that he was sent by God to
Speaker 7: destroy those who were were not like him. And so
Speaker 7: it doesn't get much more dangerous than that.
Speaker 3: Greg Landsman, your face and voters in the district. Polling
Speaker 3: is pretty broad, and we're also very skeptical on military
Speaker 3: intervention at this thing. There's a political consequence there for you,
Speaker 3: and and also point out that oil prices presumably, Well
Speaker 3: they're going to go up here. We don't know how high,
Speaker 3: but they are going up starting today probably if not
Speaker 3: sooner it did, And and people already you know stretched.
Speaker 3: Then is there fear that politically speaking, they turn around
Speaker 3: to blame Trump, but they also blame you, going, well,
Speaker 3: you supported the war and now I've got to pay
Speaker 3: for four dollars a gallon plus?
Speaker 1: Is there an implication there?
Speaker 6: There may be.
Speaker 7: I mean I think that you know, you you've got
Speaker 7: to always do what you think is right as Cornyes,
Speaker 7: that may sound. I do believe like if you believe
Speaker 7: that something is right, you got to say it and
Speaker 7: you got to act on it, period, regardless of the
Speaker 7: consequences and politically, and so you know, I think in
Speaker 7: the end, because this is not the first time I've
Speaker 7: I've sort of bucked the party or I've done, you know,
Speaker 7: something that wasn't necessarily at first, it's something people agreed with.
Speaker 7: People do appreciate not everyone, but but but a lot
Speaker 7: of people do appreciate the fact that they can trust
Speaker 7: that that that I'm leading with convictions, that I'm I'm
Speaker 7: doing what I believe is right, that I'm not playing
Speaker 7: politics and in this day and age, that's a rarity.
Speaker 7: I think people do like the fact that you know, hey,
Speaker 7: this is an independent guy who does does what he
Speaker 7: thinks he thinks is right, and takes tough positions. He takes,
Speaker 7: you know, he makes the tough calls like that's leadership,
Speaker 7: and uh, you know, I think ultimately that's where folks
Speaker 7: will be. But you know, I can't. I can't work
Speaker 7: through that calculation in something like this. It's either you know,
Speaker 7: if it's something I would have done, I would have
Speaker 7: done targeted strength. I would have intervened and said enough
Speaker 7: is enough. Now he's going to lose me, to be clear,
Speaker 7: that's fun. He's gonna lose me if he keeps if
Speaker 7: he keeps at this and and and continues to talk
Speaker 7: about regime change and continues to do so without Congress,
Speaker 7: he will lose me. And and quite frankly, you know,
Speaker 7: I don't trust Trump. I don't. I don't trust him. However,
Speaker 7: I trust the general rules, uh, and and I trust
Speaker 7: our military, and I trust our allies. And so you know,
Speaker 7: my hope is that this is limited, that they go
Speaker 7: in you know, over the course of several days, hopefully
Speaker 7: not weeks. Days and they they destroy the regime's ability
Speaker 7: to continue to destroy lives. Yeah, that's what that's what
Speaker 7: I want.
Speaker 1: That's the hope there.
Speaker 3: What real quick, what role does Congress have in a
Speaker 3: new regime there or what what should the framework be
Speaker 3: for you guys in the legislature.
Speaker 7: Well, the United States Congress have to be involved in this.
Speaker 7: You know, I was glad that the administration resumed this,
Speaker 7: you know the process of informing congressional leaders, Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 7: They did not do that with the Venezuela. Their argument
Speaker 7: was it was it was so, you know, top secret,
Speaker 7: and they thought that somebody would lead and blah blah,
Speaker 7: blah blah. This is not the same thing. They have
Speaker 7: to stay fully engaged with us. I'm glad that there
Speaker 7: is a full congressional classified briefing on Tuesday.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: And I do think Congress has to send a message
Speaker 7: to the president, Look, you have got to work with us.
Speaker 7: You have got to come here and and participate in
Speaker 7: this constitutional democracy which says we make this call too.
Speaker 7: So you know, there is this war Powers resolution. You know,
Speaker 7: on one hand, it sends the message, hey, you got
Speaker 7: to work with us. On the other hand, it says
Speaker 7: you know it says, look, you got to you know, yes,
Speaker 7: you got to pull out the asset out of the region.
Speaker 7: I think that's a mistake, but I do think sending
Speaker 7: that message you have to get a yes from us
Speaker 7: is very important.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 3: He is a Congressman, Greg Landsman from here in Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: waiting to get word from the White House at some
Speaker 3: point and their role in regime change. And this will
Speaker 3: continue and hopefully you know, this is maybe one we
Speaker 3: get right. I'm a little leary. I'm a little nervous
Speaker 3: about Regie without a plan, and we don't have a
Speaker 3: plan right now. You get three. I think a body
Speaker 3: of three individual decide who the new Supreme leader is.
Speaker 3: Hopefully that won't matter. Greg, all the best, Thanks again,
Speaker 3: be well, Thanks running late as always. Here we'll get
Speaker 3: a news update in. We'll switch it up. Julie H's here.
Speaker 3: It's Mental Health Monday. Next on the show, talk about
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Speaker 1: What's going on in Iran and of course the mass shooting.
Speaker 3: With the President speaking by the way at eleven o'clock
Speaker 3: this morning, we have it for you live here on
Speaker 3: the Nation station seven hundred w do. But he's part
Speaker 3: of a Medal of Honor ceremony. Will be offer some
Speaker 3: words about what's happening the action Iran right now. We
Speaker 3: certainly need a mental health break now more than ever.
Speaker 3: Joining the show, licensed mental health therapist Julie Hattershare Mental
Speaker 3: health Monday in the Scotsland Show.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Oh uh oh, we got a bad connection here stand
Speaker 3: by there we go, there we go, there we go.
Speaker 1: You charge your earbuds or what you forgot to do that?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm actually holding my phone so I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: What the deal with I don't know either. First of all, welcome.
Speaker 3: Secondly, something like thirty seven percent of single adults under
Speaker 3: the age of thirty report no interest in dating, no
Speaker 3: interest whatsoever for almost four and ten of young people
Speaker 3: under thirty. And we need those people because if you're
Speaker 3: a grandma or a grandpa or a mom or dad,
Speaker 3: you nag them into having children. Of course, that is
Speaker 3: an age, old adage, and we also need them to
Speaker 3: get together, fornicate and produce young taxpayers to keep our
Speaker 3: old asses going.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing. What is in it for me?
Speaker 1: So if there's no romance, there's no taxes. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfectly, that's a great that's exactly threw there.
Speaker 1: That's what we need. We need babies, and we need taxperts.
Speaker 2: Now and workers to pay our taxes.
Speaker 3: I know, well, a lot of people, well I know
Speaker 3: a lot of people under thirty the same thing that
Speaker 3: they're right. It's like, yeah, you know, we might connect
Speaker 3: down on a half or something like that, but you know,
Speaker 3: largely it's like women hate men and men hate women
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big part of what's going on. The
Speaker 2: younger generation is pretty polarized around sort of the culture
Speaker 2: in our world right now, the politics, but also what
Speaker 2: men's roles should be, what women's roles should be. And
Speaker 2: it's really surprising the numbers. So I did a little
Speaker 2: research in baby boomers, seventy eight percent of them had
Speaker 2: a boyfriend or a girlfriend.
Speaker 7: In high school.
Speaker 2: For Gen X, seventy six percent had a boyfriend or
Speaker 2: girl's friend in high school for gen Z only fifty
Speaker 2: six percent did. That's a significant drop. And part of
Speaker 2: the problem is is in high school and early adulthood
Speaker 2: that's when you learn your relationship skills, so that by
Speaker 2: the time you find the person that you want to
Speaker 2: pair off with long term, you kind of know what
Speaker 2: you're doing, and if you don't, things often don't go well.
Speaker 7: So this is this is a big deal.
Speaker 3: Do you think it may be the root of this
Speaker 3: thing is certainly not always the cause, but the root
Speaker 3: of it, July would be the reliance on social media
Speaker 3: to socialize. Is that you're looking at a screen and
Speaker 3: you can't at some point that does not translate to
Speaker 3: human interaction.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do think that's a big part of it
Speaker 2: is so many of our interactions now are online. And
Speaker 2: it's not just social media, it's you know, I can
Speaker 2: chat with my doctor, I don't actually have to go in.
Speaker 2: You can order a pizza online without actually having to
Speaker 2: speak to a person. So the interpersonal conversational skills seem
Speaker 2: to be falling by the wayside in younger and younger
Speaker 2: generations because they don't have to actually talk to people.
Speaker 2: So many classes are online, line my son's getting a
Speaker 2: master's degree largely online. He doesn't even really have to
Speaker 2: interact with people except via his screen. So so many
Speaker 2: of these things are growing digital and people are losing
Speaker 2: the skill set of actually having conversations, meeting people, figuring
Speaker 2: out how to interact socially, hanging out with their friends,
Speaker 2: and finding a person they find attractive in another.
Speaker 7: Group and going up and approaching them.
Speaker 2: All those things that we did when we were kids.
Speaker 2: The younger people today.
Speaker 1: Are not able to do.
Speaker 3: And what the yeah, I mean the advent of digital
Speaker 3: technology it makes it and I throw AI in there
Speaker 3: as well, is like you look at it, goinga I,
Speaker 3: you know, do I really need to socialize outside of
Speaker 3: the digital world because I can get pretty much anything,
Speaker 3: But you do need human context. As a licensed mental
Speaker 3: health therapist, there's a need there, right, you have to
Speaker 3: have human interaction.
Speaker 2: You have to. We do. We have to have human interaction.
Speaker 2: We are designed to be touched, so we have to
Speaker 2: have physical touch in order to thrive. Babies who aren't
Speaker 2: touched physically, babies and orphanages in third world countries or
Speaker 2: the Eastern Block, back when that was a really big deal,
Speaker 2: weren't touched and they didn't thrive. And that is a
Speaker 2: piece of what we need. We need face to face interaction,
Speaker 2: we need partnership, we need friendship, we need human connection.
Speaker 2: And not all of that has to be with your
Speaker 2: long term mate or with a.
Speaker 7: Boyfriend or a girlfriend, but some.
Speaker 2: Of that needs to be because we are designed to
Speaker 2: be communal and we.
Speaker 1: Are designed to pair off.
Speaker 2: That's what we're wired for.
Speaker 1: This is the most.
Speaker 3: This is the most anxious generation we've ever had in America.
Speaker 3: Question that also makes it that almost it harder to
Speaker 3: get a relationship right. So it's like this, it's a
Speaker 3: self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're anxious, and they're not terribly resilient, and so
Speaker 2: a setback or a bounce back, or some friction between
Speaker 2: one another really causes them a higher level of distress
Speaker 2: than in generations before. So they don't want to and
Speaker 2: I'm using air quotes here settle for someone, and the
Speaker 2: options are so seemingly limitless on social media and dating
Speaker 2: apps and such that it's very easy for them to
Speaker 2: just keep swiping and looking for the perfect person who
Speaker 2: will never cause them any distress, who will never disagree
Speaker 2: with them, who will never annoy them, and as we know,
Speaker 2: having been in relationships for a long time, it's not
Speaker 2: like that. That's just not realistic, no question, But that's
Speaker 2: their version of it. Yeah, And social society creates.
Speaker 1: Problems and it doesn't.
Speaker 3: And it drives a preference for dating apps, right, because
Speaker 3: that's a part of a digital filter. But that also
Speaker 3: carries its own harm.
Speaker 2: Well, it carries its own harm because as anybody who's
Speaker 2: ever been on a dating app will tell you, you
Speaker 2: carefully curate your profile, just like you do on social media,
Speaker 2: and it shows the aspects of you that you think
Speaker 2: would be most attractive to someone you would want to attract.
Speaker 2: But that's not all of you. And eventually you have
Speaker 2: to get off the app and meet at some point
Speaker 2: in time if you're going to take things any further.
Speaker 2: And I can't tell you the number of times my
Speaker 2: kids are in their thirties, I can't tell you the
Speaker 2: number of times that they've been in conversation with someone
Speaker 2: and then that person just ghosts and flakes out. And
Speaker 2: my guess is that they have done that too. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say they haven't, but to actually get
Speaker 2: to the point where you meet someone and engage in
Speaker 2: conversation and do things together and spend time together. Sometimes
Speaker 2: that feels overwhelming, and so there are a lot of
Speaker 2: the younger generation who are talking on dating apps but
Speaker 2: not actually meeting people in person to do anything. And
Speaker 2: as time goes on and you continue down that path,
Speaker 2: it becomes more and more overwhelming to think about doing
Speaker 2: that because you haven't developed a skill set in your
Speaker 2: younger years to be able to operationalize that as you age.
Speaker 3: Is it more about self consciousness, embarrassment? Is it overthinking it?
Speaker 3: Is it the paradox of choice where you're thinking that
Speaker 3: no one is going to be good enough because you
Speaker 3: meet people on an app but it doesn't work out.
Speaker 3: But you do that in real life, you probably don't
Speaker 3: keep score that way, but in an app, it's like,
Speaker 3: oh man, I'm zero for thirty here now and I
Speaker 3: just can't meet the and you just go, man, maybe
Speaker 3: there's just no one's out there.
Speaker 1: I'm giving up on it. Is that kind of what's happening?
Speaker 2: To tell you, that's a big piece of it is.
Speaker 2: I can tell you that I hear from a lot
Speaker 2: of my clients and a lot of my friends who
Speaker 2: are single, there are no good people out there. The
Speaker 2: men say there are no good women. The women say
Speaker 2: there are no good men. The reality is that's not true.
Speaker 2: There are plenty of good people out there. But what
Speaker 2: is I think true, is that there's nobody who's ideal
Speaker 2: and who's perfect and who might measure up to what
Speaker 2: we have.
Speaker 7: In our minds that we're looking for.
Speaker 2: And when we have so many potentially perfect options available
Speaker 2: to us at the swipe, it's really easy to keep
Speaker 2: looking for that versus really investing in a flawed, fragile
Speaker 2: human in front of you.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, Julie Hatters share our license mental health therapist.
Speaker 3: It's Metal Health Monday on the Scott's lun Show, seven
Speaker 3: hundred WW ten minutes roughly from now, give or take
Speaker 3: President Trump's going to speak, we'll carry that live for you.
Speaker 3: Relative to Iran, right now, we're talking about gen z
Speaker 3: ors younger people under thirty almost four and ten single
Speaker 3: adults in that cohort report no interest in dating whatsoever.
Speaker 3: And that's just the ones that stop dating. I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's ones on the brink going well. I kind of
Speaker 3: dabble in a bit of any good and there's a
Speaker 3: lot of reasons for that. We're chopping it up this
Speaker 3: morning with Julie on seven hundred WLW. You think part
Speaker 3: of this is also perfectionism because the anxiety loves are
Speaker 3: high because we demand kids to be perfeme know the
Speaker 3: mistakes we made, the dumb stuff we did't were kids
Speaker 3: are not tolerated anymore by their parents, and so there's
Speaker 3: a lot more pressures, more academic pressure, there's so Sovidre's
Speaker 3: dating pressure. All this coming to a head right there.
Speaker 3: But is this part of our perfectionist culture.
Speaker 2: I think that's partly yes. And you mentioned parents, and
Speaker 2: I think parents have a huge role to play in
Speaker 2: this because I think that parents now of younger children.
Speaker 6: Are so.
Speaker 2: So hovering and so overly supervisory of their kids, and
Speaker 2: dating and connecting in that way doesn't happen under parental supervision.
Speaker 2: But when kids are so overscheduled, they have every last
Speaker 2: minute of their day accounted for, they don't really have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to go and hang out and find someone
Speaker 2: you find attractive at the movie theater and go up
Speaker 2: and talk to them. You don't have the same opportunity
Speaker 2: to do that as we did when we were kids.
Speaker 2: And on the one hand, as a parent, I understand
Speaker 2: that you want your children's lives to be productive and
Speaker 2: you want to set them up for success. But what
Speaker 2: I think people miss is that the flirting and the
Speaker 2: dating that you do in your teenage and your young
Speaker 2: adult years, high school, college and shortly after is the
Speaker 2: stuff that gives you the skills, and gives you the experience,
Speaker 2: and gives you the confidence, and helps you know what
Speaker 2: you're looking for in a partner, who you like and
Speaker 2: who you don't like, qualities and characteristics appeal to you,
Speaker 2: and which ones don't, so that when you are serious
Speaker 2: about looking for your lifelong partner, you have a database
Speaker 2: of information. You have experience, you have confidence, you know
Speaker 2: what you bring to the table, you know what you're
Speaker 2: looking for from somebody else, and you're not trying to
Speaker 2: figure all of that out when the stakes are really high,
Speaker 2: when you're in your late twenties and thirties and you're
Speaker 2: looking at wanting to have children, and for women, the
Speaker 2: biological clocktics more than for men, So you figure this
Speaker 2: out earlier on right, and then by the time you
Speaker 2: get to that age, you know what you're looking for and.
Speaker 7: What you bring to the table.
Speaker 3: Okay, Julie, when you talk to younger people like this
Speaker 3: is clients and we know there's this I don't know
Speaker 3: that this growing hostility in the world. You know it's
Speaker 3: left and right and up and everyone's fighting with everybody.
Speaker 3: That there's hostility between the saxes, right, men and women,
Speaker 3: not just in couples. We see that online rhetoric has
Speaker 3: played a lot of this. We have the anti patriarchy crowd, right.
Speaker 3: We also have the red pill crowd too as well.
Speaker 3: When you're in that circle, is that really just story
Speaker 3: aring how you see potential partners?
Speaker 2: Absolutely it is. It. It sets the expectation for what
Speaker 2: you're looking for. So in the last decade plus, women
Speaker 2: have tended to become much more liberal than their same
Speaker 2: age male counterparts have, and men have tended to become
Speaker 2: much more conservative than their same age female counterparts have.
Speaker 2: And not only in terms of politics, but in terms
Speaker 2: of what you view men's and women's roles in relationships
Speaker 2: as being what you're looking for from a potential mate.
Speaker 2: And obviously we're talking about heterosexual here, but what men
Speaker 2: are looking for from women and what women are looking
Speaker 2: for from men is becoming increasingly.
Speaker 7: Polarized as well.
Speaker 2: And of course you are if you are part of
Speaker 2: the you know, with the Epstein files and all of
Speaker 2: the men, not all men, but it's always a man
Speaker 2: rhetoric out there. Women become very very cautious around them,
Speaker 2: and then the men have the trad wife kind of
Speaker 2: rhetoric out there, the red till crowd as you call it.
Speaker 2: They become very cautious around women. Women are only after
Speaker 2: one thing. Men are only after one thing. And it's
Speaker 2: not true interpersonal relationships, but it seems to be true
Speaker 2: in the aggregate in our culture right now that that's
Speaker 2: what people believe.
Speaker 3: Got it, And I'm sure therapy can help with this,
Speaker 3: but it's pretty scared. The four and ten just simply
Speaker 3: don't want to date. People under thirty are out of
Speaker 3: the dating game, which is frightening. She's July Hatters here,
Speaker 3: a licensed mental health therapist. Do you want to reach
Speaker 3: out to her for a question and maybe future topic.
Speaker 3: It's he Julie at Bconnected dot Care, practicing out of Clifton,
Speaker 3: licensed mental health therapist.
Speaker 1: Thanks again for the time, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you talk soon, beck area.
Speaker 1: Have a great day.
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