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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's Beach Radio.

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Speaker 2: By this very moment comes to me about fifty two

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Speaker 2: times a year, and it also comes to Rob Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Because this is Monday night. We are starting a brand new,

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Speaker 2: fresh week of Nightside. Rob is back in the control

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Speaker 2: room w PC in Medford, I broadcast remotely. My name

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Speaker 2: is Dan Ray, and we have been a team here

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Speaker 2: for about I'm gonna say fifteen years. I wish we

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Speaker 2: with Nightside. Somehow, someway we got to figure that out.

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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, we have a full week of Nightside ahead

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Speaker 2: to get to the business that hand, which is the

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Speaker 2: first hour tonight. Later on tonight, we're going to be

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Speaker 2: talking about your privacy. Yeah, sort of a brave new

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Speaker 2: director of Technology and Justice Programs at the ACLU of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: And we will talk with Kate about what's coming down

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Speaker 2: the line artificial intelligence. There's a lot going on in

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Speaker 2: this sphere in that area. And then we will talk

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Speaker 2: at ten o'clock tonight with Boston College political science professor

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Speaker 2: Ali Bana Zizi, who teaches and he studies and teaches

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Speaker 2: Iranian history and contemporary domestic politics. And we will get

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Speaker 2: Professor Bono Zizi's take on what is going on and

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Speaker 2: more importantly, I think we all know what's going on

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Speaker 2: we're going to start off tonight. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about a spectacular event that's occurring tomorrow morning, which is

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Speaker 2: free to the public. It's a total lunar eclipse on

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Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, March third, with us as Kelly Beatty. Kelly

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Speaker 2: is the editor at Sky and Telescope magazine in Cambridge. Kelly,

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Speaker 2: I was unaware that there was such a thing as

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Speaker 2: Sky and Tsape Telescope magazine in Cambridge. How long have

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Speaker 2: you been the editor there? Welcome to Nightside and tell

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Speaker 2: talk about the tomorrow morning's lunar eclipse.

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Speaker 3: All right, Dan, So great to be back with you,

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Speaker 3: and thanks for that warm introduction. Sky Telescope started publishing

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Speaker 3: in November of nineteen forty one, wow, and in Cambridge,

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Speaker 3: and has been published every month since then. In facts

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Speaker 3: is one of the very few magazines to be published

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Speaker 3: continuously every month since nineteen forty one. So I'm in

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Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. So you're talking that's that's a run of

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Speaker 2: about eighty five years. If I'm doing my math correctly.

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Speaker 3: It certainly is. And you know, it's a magazine that

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Speaker 3: caters to people who love the sky, have telescopes, amateur astronomers,

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Speaker 3: professional astronomers, read Sky and Telescope. It's really a magazine

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Speaker 3: for everyone. And here's where I put them the plug.

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Speaker 3: You can go see the online version at Sky and

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Speaker 3: Telescope dot org.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, and we'll give a plug to that. By

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Speaker 2: the way, at the end of the hour. You must

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Speaker 2: have known a colleague of mine at Channel four many

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Speaker 2: years ago, a real gentleman, Jack Borden. He had when

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Speaker 2: he ye television. Oh, he had a program to teach

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Speaker 3: Yes, I remember Jack, well, we had. We had multiple

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Speaker 3: about looking up in the daytime sky, yes, to see

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Speaker 3: all the claws informations, and I'm reading more about the

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Speaker 2: That's okay to each his own. That's the way I think, Kelly.

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Speaker 2: How tough will it be tomorrow morning? And apparently is

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Speaker 3: Well, sure you got the basics. You know that the

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry if if if the Earth didn't have an atmosphere,

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Speaker 3: You know, on paper, on paper, this eclipse is is

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Speaker 2: Not going to work a lot of times when this

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Speaker 2: solar eclipses. You cautioned, don't look directly at it. Get

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Speaker 3: Right, It is exactly the case. I mean, it is

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Speaker 3: true that if you look at a fully eclipsed moon

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Speaker 2: No, that's happened to me many times. I know exactly

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Speaker 3: But yeah, this is this is completely safe, you know.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would have to imagine what it must

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Speaker 2: for sure, we have folks, start you Kelly, who are

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Speaker 2: kind enough to explain it to us, And well, you know, there.

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Speaker 3: Could There's a celebrated case involving Christopher Columbus, not on

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Speaker 2: He knew that.

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Speaker 3: He knew that on a particular night there was going

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Speaker 2: Well like magic. That's a great story. I was unaware

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Speaker 2: of that story, Kelly, Betty, let's plug the website one

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Speaker 3: What does the website Absolutely it's sky and Telescope all

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Speaker 3: And hell, be thrilling to be with you, Dan, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Kelly, thank you very much for it's been a

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Speaker 2: With you, all right, Happy Larner eclips to you as well. Okay,

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Speaker 2: the folks who appear on the Lexington Common every April nineteenth.

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Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on w B Boston's

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Speaker 2: Steve is the Captain commanding of the Lexington minute Men.

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Speaker 2: They are the group that every April nineteenth, early in

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Speaker 2: the morning re enacting that famous moment when the Revolutionary

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Speaker 2: War truly began. Steve Cole, welcome back to Nightside. How

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Speaker 5: I'm wonderful. Thank you so much for having me Dan.

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Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of your show, so it's a

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Speaker 5: real privilege to be with you tonight.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure. Well, I must tell you I have certainly

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Speaker 2: learned a lot about history over the years just following

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Speaker 2: what the minute Men have done every year. But it's

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Speaker 2: a year event. You guys take this really seriously throughout

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Dan.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, coming off the two fifty is you know,

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Speaker 4: And then you know, so you know.

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Speaker 5: After Patriots Day, I said, you know, let's you know,

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Speaker 5: So we launched a capital campaign called Securing our Legacy

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Speaker 5: limited funds to join a hobby.

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Speaker 2: So limited funds mean or unlimited.

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Speaker 4: Fund So we wanted to make it affordable.

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Speaker 5: So you know, we have a program now, a rent

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, we're gonna give an address where people and

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Speaker 5: So the unique thing about the lexingon minimen, which which

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Speaker 2: That's great, great to know. And they're in in garb

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Speaker 5: You know that evening of the eighteenth the women and

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Speaker 4: And you know Lexington had thirteen pregnant women at the.

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Speaker 5: Time, so the strength that they had to flee to safety,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's we get to reenact that part of

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Okay, Now let's talk about the fundraising

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Speaker 4: We do have tickets available.

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Speaker 5: I encourage everybody to go on our website Lexington minute

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be an amazing night.

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Speaker 5: Dan WBZ is our media sponsor. Eric Fisher is going

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Speaker 5: Paul Wahlberg is going to be there, Kevin Chapman, Johnny Busick,

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Speaker 2: Todd Angela is the is the fellow who belts out

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Speaker 4: No, he'll be there. He's become a really good friend

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that's great. And the the the tickets is

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Speaker 2: only two hundred tickets and it's it's a great event.

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Speaker 2: Cocktail hour, three course dinner. I'll tell you it's it's

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Speaker 2: it sounds like what what day of the week is it?

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Speaker 5: By the way, one night of the week, So it's

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Speaker 5: it's Thursday evening, April second. And you know, the whole

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Speaker 5: and we've we've achieved over half that goal already for both.

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Speaker 4: Financially and with members.

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Speaker 5: We brought in over sixteen members since June of last year,

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Speaker 4: We usually bring in three to five a year.

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Speaker 5: But now that we have this rent to own program,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fabulous, just fabulous. I really again. The fundraising

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Speaker 2: event is called Ignite the Night and very clear purchase

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Speaker 2: you so much for your time tonight, Steve, and best

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Speaker 2: of luck with the dinner. If it was a week night,

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Speaker 2: I would want to be there, but unfortunately I have

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Speaker 2: Tickets are limited to two hundred guests and they're selling fast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Sdeve. Best of luck and keep

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Goodnight all right, Steve Cole. He is the top Lexington Minuteman,

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Speaker 2: which is just an incredible tradition. And to think that

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Speaker 2: I know the three hundredth anniversary is about fifty years way,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be talking with Paula Fleming, chief marketing

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Speaker 2: and sales officer for Boston's Better Business Bureau. And this

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Speaker 2: Back on Night's Side right after the news at the

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Speaker 1: On Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WAZ Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: This is, amongst other things, National Consumer Protection Week launch

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Speaker 2: first through the seventh, twenty twenty sixth. The week is

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Speaker 2: devoted to informing consumers, that's you and me of our rights,

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Speaker 2: in educating the public about scam and ID theft prevention

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Speaker 2: Better Business Bureau. It's going to be a busy week

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Speaker 2: for you. Paula Fleming, welcome back to Nightside.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me and yes, it surely is

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Speaker 6: going to be a busy week, and I'm kicking off

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Speaker 2: Anytime you're on my program, I consider it to be spectacular.

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Speaker 2: So look, we've talked about this before, and there's just

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Speaker 6: Well, yes, because a lot of people are on Facebook,

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Speaker 2: So this is just only going to get worse. I

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Speaker 2: out of it is to get rid of all your computers.

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Speaker 2: It's an intractable situation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, these scammers, they're sophisticated, they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 6: They rely on isolation and urgency. And what this week

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Speaker 6: is about consumer protection relies on awareness what we're doing

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Speaker 6: with the help of you and others in the media,

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Speaker 6: and then consumers taking action. So we want to remind

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Speaker 6: everyone to please pause, verify, and report if you've been

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Speaker 6: a victim of a scam. So while you didn't fall

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Speaker 6: for the scam, we would still encourage you to report

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Speaker 6: it to bebb Scam Tracker so that we can work

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Speaker 6: together as a community to say, hey, this is happening

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Speaker 6: here and here's what it looks like, and then we

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Speaker 6: track those trends to inform others on what to look

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Speaker 6: out for.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that that every three or four times

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Speaker 2: a week I get notifications for some company that have

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Speaker 2: never done business worth with. You know, you owe PayPal

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Speaker 2: of this, so you owe someone else this money and

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Speaker 2: seven hundred and ninety nine dollars, And it gets to

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Speaker 2: the point all I do is I block them and

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Speaker 2: delete them. Those of the I've seen those so often.

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Speaker 2: But if you happen to be someone out there who

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Speaker 2: gets something and give us a couple of the scams.

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Speaker 2: One thing which I think is important is the IRS

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Speaker 2: will never notify you, as I understand it, because they

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Speaker 2: do know there are people out there. You know. This

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Speaker 2: is the IRS telling you that you owe some money

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Speaker 2: and you better immediately or we're going to take you

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Speaker 2: to court, We're going to whatever. Is that accurate? I

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Speaker 2: don't want to dispense inaccurate information. My understanding is that

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Speaker 2: the under no circumstances will the IRS contact you anyway

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Speaker 2: other than by the US mail.

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Speaker 6: Right, You're correct, So they will almost always first contact

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Speaker 6: to actually buy mail, not by phone, not by email,

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Speaker 6: and not buy text. And they're never going to demand

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Speaker 6: immediate payment without giving you a chance to question or appeal.

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Speaker 6: They'll also never ask you for a payment via gift

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Speaker 6: card or cryptocurrency or any type of prepay methods. So

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Speaker 6: we want people to be very cautious. Obviously, this time

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Speaker 6: of year, people are, you know, filing their taxes, they're

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Speaker 6: you know, the tax agency they may be dealing with.

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Speaker 6: They're not sure what to look out for, so you

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Speaker 6: want to be careful. We call it the IRS imposter scam,

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Speaker 6: and it's a type of fraud where the scammer is pretending,

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Speaker 6: as you just said, to be the irs or a

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Speaker 6: related government tax agency in order to steal your personal

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Speaker 6: information or money from tax paper taxpayers like you and I.

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Speaker 6: So the best thing is to just ignore those, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So let's talk about the better business career, which

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Speaker 2: normally we think of as a place we go to

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Speaker 2: when we want to check if there's some contractor going

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Speaker 2: around the neighborhood wants to asphalt your driveway or put

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Speaker 2: a little bit of siding in your house or something

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Speaker 2: on vinyl siding, whatever it is these days. But you

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Speaker 2: also there's there's there's so much information. How can people

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Speaker 2: most easily get to these places of information that you

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Speaker 2: folks run. Is it just simply BBB dot org Refreshment

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Speaker 2: Recollection on that of.

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Speaker 6: Course, yes, it is BBB dot org RG. And you

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Speaker 6: know you mentioned a lot of people think of us

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Speaker 6: as a complaint agency. I would rather your listeners think

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Speaker 6: of us as an educational resource. So, whether you're checking

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Speaker 6: out a business where you want to learn about scams,

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Speaker 6: or you're someone who wants to become an entrepreneur, we

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Speaker 6: have a plethora of information, and we'd like you to

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Speaker 6: start first by going to BBB dot org doing some research.

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Speaker 6: Fifteen minutes, you can work your way around our website

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Speaker 6: and you can be updated on all things that can

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Speaker 6: help guide you through your day to day activity, whether

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Speaker 6: you're a consumer or a business.

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Speaker 2: The great one of the great things about the Better

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Speaker 2: Business Boston's Better Business Bureau is uh the website is free,

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Speaker 2: UH and you know it's secure, so you can you

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Speaker 2: can get to them through your computer and not worry.

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Speaker 2: And it has a font of great information. And paul

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Speaker 2: I so appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You check in with us every couple of weeks, and

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Speaker 2: this particularly National Consumer Protection Week. It is just I

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Speaker 2: remember a few years ago when there were members of Congress, well,

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Speaker 2: we're going to pass a base of legislation that is

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Speaker 2: going to stop the uh, the incessant phone calls at

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Speaker 2: dinner time that we don't do that. We're we're on

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Speaker 2: our own, Paula. And the only ally that I think

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Speaker 2: we really have is the BBB, the Boston Better No.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's seriously, because you're not out, you're not

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Speaker 2: charging us anything. To the best of my knowledge, you're

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Speaker 2: out simply trying to help us and protect us, and

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Speaker 2: I want to say thank you for doing that and

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Speaker 2: happy wish you a happy National Consumer Protection Week as well.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Dan. I appreciate time.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Right back at you we get back, we will

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Speaker 2: be talking about measles. There's a bit of an outbreak

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Speaker 2: of measles here, something we want to keep our eye on,

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Speaker 2: and we're looking forward to talking with a guest who's

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Speaker 2: been with us before, doctor Shira Doron, Chief Infection Control

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Speaker 2: Officer Toughs Medicine and hospital epidemiologist at Toughts Medical Center,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about what's going on with measles and measles,

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Speaker 2: particularly for people who are diagnosed as adults this and

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Speaker 2: also children, but particularly adults this can this can be

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Speaker 2: a serious disease. And we will talk with doctor darn

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Speaker 2: right after the break.

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome back everybody. There has been a cat

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Speaker 2: I call it a measles outbreak, but at least a

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Speaker 2: couple of cases of measles which have popped up here

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Speaker 2: in Massachusetts in the last few days, and with us

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Speaker 2: is on, doctor Shira, doctor Deron, welcome back to Night's Side.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Drone is the chief infection control officer for Tough's

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Speaker 2: Medicine and also the hospital epidemiologist the Tofts Medical Center.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about measles. How significant is it that

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Speaker 2: we have these two cases? They apparently are unrelated as.

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Speaker 7: I understand it, Yes, correct, so good to be with

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Speaker 7: you again. They are unrelated. In fact, one of the

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Speaker 7: cases acquired and developed symptoms of measles outside of Massachusetts,

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Speaker 7: so they were neither a risk in terms of having

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Speaker 7: gotten it from someone here, nor did they expose anyone

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Speaker 7: here in Massachusetts, so that's good news. The other patient,

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Speaker 7: from what we're told, acquired measles overseas during travel, but

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Speaker 7: did spend time in our lovely state going to places

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Speaker 7: where he or she may have exposed other people, and

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Speaker 7: so that triggers you know what our state health authorities do.

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Speaker 7: That's called contact tracing that we all know so well

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Speaker 7: from the COVID days, meaning trying to figure out who

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Speaker 7: was there during the time that that person was contagious,

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Speaker 7: and trying to contact all of those people to let

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Speaker 7: them know they've been exposed and then do what needs

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Speaker 7: to be done after that.

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Speaker 2: Now, my understanding is that although these are well, first,

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Speaker 2: let me ask the question, are these the only two

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Speaker 2: cases of measles that we know about in Massachusetts at

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Speaker 2: this winter that.

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Speaker 7: Have been announced by our Department of Public Health?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, certainly the people who have been

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Speaker 7: exposed are being watched carefully, and we might not know

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Speaker 7: right away.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, So there are other states such as

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Speaker 2: North Carolina, which have had nearly a thousand cases of measles.

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Speaker 2: Now South Carolina, excuse me, South Carolina a thousand cases

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Speaker 2: of measles. That's what we're concerned about. I assume we're

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Speaker 2: concerned about any cases of measles, But how do we

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Speaker 2: put a fence around this to make sure that this

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Speaker 2: doesn't all all of a sudden explode.

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Speaker 7: That's right, and we know that we also had a

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Speaker 7: huge app break in Texas last year. So that fence

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Speaker 7: is called the mesles vaccine. I mean, plain and simple.

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Speaker 7: We have, on the one hand, a virus, the mesle virus,

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Speaker 7: that is the most contagious infection that we get as humans,

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Speaker 7: But on the other hand, a vaccine that is really

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Speaker 7: among the most effective vaccines ever invented and very very safe.

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Speaker 7: So you know, the answer is pretty clear. You really

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Speaker 7: do get Remember, you know, during the COVID pandemic, we

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Speaker 7: talked so much about you know, how many people do

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Speaker 7: have to vaccinate to get to herd immunity. Sure the yeah, well,

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Speaker 7: you know, we actually didn't get hurt immunity from the

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Speaker 7: COVID vaccine because you know, unfortunately it's not effective enough

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Speaker 7: or durable, long lasting enough to give us that. But

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Speaker 7: measles vaccine is, and you get heard immunity when you

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Speaker 7: get to a high level of vaccination. Now, as a state,

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Speaker 7: we're well vaccinated and we shouldn't see outbreaks the size

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Speaker 7: of the ones that was seen in Texas or South

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Speaker 7: Carolina or elsewhere. But you could easily have pockets of

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Speaker 7: low vaccination that you don't even know are there. Maybe

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Speaker 7: you know, maybe school officials know that they might have

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Speaker 7: a single class that's unvaccined, not on vaccinated, but has

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Speaker 7: low low enough levels of vaccination where a person who

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Speaker 7: came in with measles could spark a small outbreak. So

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Speaker 7: it could happen. But in general, we're well protected here.

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Speaker 2: In this Okay, Now, let me touch upon a couple

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Speaker 2: of one one controversial question, and that is that we

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Speaker 2: have this debate going on that M and E's out

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Speaker 2: of Washington about what vaccines are safe and what vaccines aren't.

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Speaker 2: It's caused a lot of confusion. I assume that has

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Speaker 2: contributed to the concern that medical professionals like yourself have

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Speaker 2: when you hear of any cases. Why would anyone not

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Speaker 2: get measles vaccines? I mean, I don't understand the argument

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Speaker 2: that measles vaccines could be problematical because of the efficacy,

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Speaker 2: of the efficiency of the vaccine and how dangerous it is.

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Speaker 2: I had measles as a kid. I'm sure most people

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Speaker 2: have measles as a child.

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Speaker 7: Correct, Yes, before before Essentially, if you're born before nineteen

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Speaker 7: fifty seven, you are considered to be immune because everyone

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Speaker 2: Priority, and I was, despite my youthful good looks. I

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Speaker 2: was born before nineteen fifty seven. But so therefore after

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Speaker 2: fifty seven, you're crazy if you don't get measles vaccine,

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Speaker 2: you know, with your for your kids. In my opinion,

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Speaker 2: that's and I assume you share that opinion.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and certainly you know, when the vaccine came out,

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Speaker 7: parents were very excited to get their children vaccinated because

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Speaker 7: they saw that with you know, not infrequently you know,

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Speaker 7: you had children that ended up in the hospital. The

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Speaker 7: hospitalization is fairly common. Your children who ended up with pneumonia,

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Speaker 7: with brain swelling and permanent disability. So you know, when

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Speaker 7: everyone was getting measles, you saw that and you knew

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Speaker 7: therefore that it was dangerous. Then there was you know,

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Speaker 7: there was a guy and it was a scientist who

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Speaker 7: he was in it for personal gain, and he said

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Speaker 7: that the measles lunster Bello vaccine caused autism, and people

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Speaker 7: believed him and it was fake. It was fake news,

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Speaker 7: as they say, true, and it caused a lot of damage,

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Speaker 7: long term damage to trust.

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Speaker 2: Well, hopefully tonight we have cautioned a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Is it too late for some parent who listens to

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Speaker 2: our show tonight maybe who did not have the children vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: It's never too late to get the vaccination. I assume

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Speaker 2: it's not one of these vaccinations. You got to get

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Speaker 2: it in October September. Get it. If you haven't, got

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Speaker 2: to get.

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Speaker 7: It absolutely now. It's never too late. You know, the

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Speaker 7: measles circulates year round. It we are in a global

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Speaker 7: outbreak with lots of measles outside of the country and

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Speaker 7: now in this past year so inside of this country.

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Speaker 7: So it is never too late, and it is a

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Speaker 7: life long vaccine that's important too. You get you know

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Speaker 7: right now. The recommendation is you know that children get

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Speaker 7: two doses. If you're an adult and you've only gotten

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Speaker 7: one dose, back to fine too, that effectiveness will last

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Speaker 7: your whole life, So do.

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Speaker 2: It, all right, Doctor Sivra Drone, Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for coming on tonight and basically sounding the alarm with

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Speaker 2: a clarion call that uh, let this this the disease

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Speaker 2: was never per se eliminated because it's always kind of

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Speaker 2: out there. But people have to have to take this seriously,

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Speaker 2: and I hope they've taken our conversation seriously tonight. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: doctor Dar and I appreciate your time very much. Talk

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Speaker 2: to you soon. All right, we get back, We're going

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Speaker 2: to open up a conversation about your personal privacy and

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Speaker 2: we're going to be talking with Caid Crockford, the director

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Speaker 2: of Technology and Justice Programs at the American Civil Liberties

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Speaker 2: Union of Massachusetts. Back on Nightside right after this