1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Two minutes after five o'clock. No, twenty two minutes away 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: from five o'clock. It's my first day back from vacation. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Can't expect me to know how to read a clock. 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. We are a few minutes 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: late because well, I don't know how to read a clock. 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: On Tuesdays at this time, we talked sports and the 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: law with our legal expert, attorney Stuart W. Penrose from 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: the Manila Law Group. Is always insightful, always teaches us something, 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: and I've got questions. Maybe you do as well. It's 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: awesome to have you, Stewart as always. How are you? 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: I'm doing great, moll. How about yourself? 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I want to start with this big 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: meeting at the White House last week, which was I 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: guess it was done in order to find solutions on 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: how to fix college sports, and the President of the 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: United States says he's going to issue an executive order 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: that fixes college sports and addresses things like collectives and 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: NIL and player movement and player compensation, all of this stuff. 19 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: He also acknowledged that it might not stand a legal challenge. 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: So that's what I want to ask you. If if 21 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: there's a plan at the executive level of the federal 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: government to fix college sports. What are the legal hurdles 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: that such a plan would fax? 24 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: Sure, Well, it's similar to what we've been talking about 25 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: all these links is anti trust law and all the 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: different state laws you know that govern nil in each state, 27 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: and it's like they're trying to coach a thousand teams 28 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: at once. I can understand his perspective and what he's 29 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: trying to do, but to really get teeth in it, 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: it would need some sort of congressional approval Congress for 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: me to come to come together. Just a president's executive 32 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: order alone doesn't create it an anti trust exemption, and 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: it seems that that's what his angle is ultimately here, 34 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: is to try to get some anti trust exemption to 35 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: protect the NC double A, allow the NT double A 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: to have a better framework to keep a hold, and 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: to try to bring us out of the wild West era. 38 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: But without congressional approval it could be very difficult. MO 39 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: And like I said, anti trust exemptions, anti trust laws, 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: and state laws really stand in the way. And you know, 41 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: President Trump certainly seemed very cognitiant of that. 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: Speaking of anti trust, which is a topic that, as 43 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned, you and I talked about a lot. So 44 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice and Live Nation have settled an 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 1: anti trust dispute that I think has had a lot 46 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: more to do with concert tickets, the prices of them, 47 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: the accessibility of them, than anything else. What can the 48 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: impact be on sports fans of this case? 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: Sure? Well, first off, hold the phone on that they 50 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: have an agreement in place, but the judge has to 51 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: sid the court has to sign off on it. And 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: apparently a lot of the states that are involved aren't 53 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: immediately signing onto this right now, so it's still fluid. 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: But if the settlement goes through, what it can do 55 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: is open up the markets for college sports fans. Live 56 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: Nation we think of Live Nation, we think of live music, 57 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: but they own Ticketmaster and ticket Masters you know, obviously 58 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: is the biggest platform out there for sports as well. 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: So if this goes through, it could more you know, 60 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: more platforms into the market to sell to sports fans, uh, 61 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: and more options for schools and teams to partner with 62 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 2: and and not be so exclusive to Ticketmaster. Hoptal help 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: with steams as well too. It creates more competition to 64 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: be more competitive on fees, you know, you go, you 65 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: buy one hundred dollars ticket to a football game and 66 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: you get twenty five dollars in fees on that. Nobody 67 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: likes that, So hopefully this will hopefully this will help 68 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: with that. 69 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: What could be a reason why a judge would not 70 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: sign off on. 71 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: This, Well, we have to see how the framework goes 72 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: and if all the parties getting get an agreement here 73 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: all the states and whatnot, but they need their time 74 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: to weigh in. He's going to factor in and all that. 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: He was upset because the trial had already started and 76 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: they had apparently had a framework in place over the 77 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: weekend and didn't notify him until Sunday night, So he 78 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: wasn't very happy about that. Does that mean it's going 79 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: to make the settlement? No, but you know, you never 80 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: want to tick off a judge. 81 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Number one, Yeah, old number one for lawyers and 82 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: common folk, a like attorney Steward W. Penrose from the 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: Manila Law Group joins us to talk about the sports, 84 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: about sports and the law on Tuesdays. So we have 85 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: one of the fixers in this large betting scheme that 86 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: you had like twenty six people who have been charged 87 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: in wire fraud and bribery chargers and the genesis of 88 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: this is huge bets on rig college basketball games. This guy, 89 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, has appeared in federal court. He has pluged 90 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: guilty and uh so this is like the first domino 91 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: to fall. I guess my question is what does his 92 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: outcome mean for the other people, specifically the college basketball 93 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: players involved. 94 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: Well, like you said, it's the first domino to fall. 95 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: So certainly the government through him as has amount and 96 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: through other resources as well, has amount of evidence to 97 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: go on here. Clearly he has some love, must have 98 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: had some level of cooperation to take a plea this early. 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: It will help the domino's fall, Let's put it that way. 100 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: As far as the athletes themselves, you know, we'll have 101 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 2: to see how that plays out, mo. I mean those 102 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: that are implicated, I mean, certainly from an nc double 103 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: A perspective, Yeah, you certainly think that's the end of 104 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: their NCAA careers at a minimum. What they say from 105 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: a criminal standpoint remains to be seen based upon their 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: level of involvement, what they face. As far as sendence team. 107 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: For those that involve criminally, you know, time will tell, 108 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: you know, a judge is going to be more likely 109 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: to give some leeway to a college kid than he 110 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: has a a bigger man up on the totem pole. 111 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: In such a scheme, the players or the players are 112 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: almost are essentially the ponds and something like this. 113 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah no, I think that's that's obviously well put. Attorney 114 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: Stuart W. Penrose from the Manila Lag Group. Awesome stuff 115 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: as always, man, Thank you so much, Thank you, bo. 116 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: He's the absolute best. He's our legal expert from the 117 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: Manila Lag Group. Stuart W. Penrose joins us every single 118 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: to all right. The Bearcats are up by ten eleven 119 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: seventeen to go first round game and the Big Twelve Tournament. 120 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: Sports headlines are a service of Kelsey Chevrolet Home of 121 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: lifetime powertrain protection, guaranteed credit approval from their family too, 122 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: yours for life, kelseyschev dot Com. It's now forty eight 123 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: to thirty nine in favor of Cincinnati eleven and change 124 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: to go. Winner will take on UCF tomorrow. Earlier today 125 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve Tournament, Arizona State knocked off Baylor. 126 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: For what it's worth. Pittsburgh beat SMU at the Buzzer 127 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: and the ACC Tournament. SMU one of those teams that 128 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: needed to win this week. We'll see how that may 129 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: or may not impact the Bearcats. Quiet day so far 130 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: for the Bengals in free agency. We'll see if that 131 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: changes between now and six o'clock. Reds are taken on 132 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: the Colorado Rockies today, on the day that we found 133 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: out Hunter Green's gonna have surgery to remove chips from 134 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: his elbow. He is now expected to make his season 135 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: debut in July. Good news is it's not Tommy John. 136 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: It's not regarded as season ending surgery. Bad news is 137 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: still gonna miss roughly half the season. Reds are playing 138 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: the Rockies today. PJ. Higgins with a home run. Cincinnati 139 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: on top road team today three to nothing. Brandon Williamson 140 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: on the hill for Cincinnati, pitched a scoreless first inning 141 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: for the Red Legs. By the Way, College Basketball Horizon 142 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: League Tournament title game tonight, Wright State after beating NKU 143 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: last night, it takes on Detroit Mercy for the conference championship, 144 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: and the Columbus Blue Jackets play on the road tonight 145 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: against Tampa Bay. You are caught up twelve point game 146 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: right now. Cincinnati leads Utah fifty one to thirty nine. 147 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: We'll jump back into what the Bengals did and still 148 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: need to do. Coming up on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports. 149 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 2: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic. 150 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: Traffic Center. 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