WEBVTT - 10-6-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.160 Do you want to be in a Manican. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.240 Here we go on this Monday morning, Scott Slow seven 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.440 hundred WLW in that Sunday was felt like work watching 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.080 the Bengals yesterday. Didn't like I worked maybe six seven 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.480 days this week. Uh, we'll get in that a little 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.919 bit of course, James or James rappeen. It will be 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.079 here to recap that a little bit later on in 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.000 the show. Lots going on, including this. We're blowing up 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.840 suspected drug boats off foreign countries, off the coast of 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.639 foreign countries. And we have yet another piece plan in 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.760 the Middle East, and this one seems like to be 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.879 the one. This is the one that who knows could 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.879 get Trump the Nobel Prize? Is this the deal that 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.240 finally stops the carnage in Palestine and Israel? 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:38.640 On? 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.960 That is a Captain Ed Glryan. He is a US 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.760 Navy Seal team seven times over, team leader, decorated Special 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.800 Ops Task Force commander, US Army Ranger, long decorated career, 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.400 serving this nation in a very rare seal And are 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.920 you a US Army Ranger marriage which often doesn't happen? 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.400 Captain Ed, good morning, how are you sir? 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.880 Good morning? Scott, Good morning the listeners. Well, we'll be 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:02.840 a lot better if we get this rain that's coming through. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.880 We need a drink down here on the farm. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.200 I believe that, no doubt about it. Let me outline 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.560 what happened over the weekend here if you're just plugging 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:12.520 back in this morning. So this happened late in the 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.720 week with President Trump announcing a peace plan in the 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.680 Middle East. So as of Saturday, the Israeli military has 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:22.240 shifted to defensive operations in Gaza, stop their airstrikes beyond 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.399 what those are needed for force protection, I guess. According 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.679 to the IDF, the Israeli Prime Minister net Yahou confirmed 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.720 he halted the offensive. Said, Okay, we're gonna engage in 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:36.200 the Trump plan here and engage in indirect negotiations between Israel. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.080 They're going to sit down I guess Israel Hamas and 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.520 start talking today in Egypt, and the peace plan would 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.080 be enacted once all forty eight hostages are returned to 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.760 Israeli territory and if they're not released by the deadline, 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.480 then they'll zoom fighting again. So it's still relative tentative, 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.960 and we've heard this before. We're so close to peace 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.280 we've got peace, and then peace erodes rather abruptly. What 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.120 should we expect from what's happening right now? 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.400 Ed? Well, a good wrap upon that. Ever elusive is 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.280 the piece with them off. But something we have to 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.400 remember as we watched this from the distance is they 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.680 are not a nation state. They're a terrorist group with 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.519 an armed faction. So they have a political element that's 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.160 doing the discussions, which is not always in alignment with 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:22.079 the fighters that are on the ground and Gaza accordingly, 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.320 that could be the long pole in the tent. But 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.360 regardless of that, great credit has got to be given 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.800 to the administration because this is like a mensa game 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.440 underwater at night. It is difficult to get all this 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.480 lined up. Could I talk about sort of where we're at? Yeah, 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.359 the final piece is these final few hostages. Now, remember 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.320 there was what back in February, three hundred and sixty 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.799 nine or so Palestinian prisoners were released just for three 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.480 Israeli hostages. Earlier in the SEASCAR. In January of twenty 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:59.080 twenty five, Israel had already released over one thousand Palestinians 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.639 for thirty three Israeli hostages. Some were deceased and some 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.120 were alive. There had been some other one offse that 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.800 occurred in there, but now the totals well over one 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.679 thousand Palestinian prisoners have been released. Remember they were captured 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.440 and many of them had life sentences for very serious 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.280 crimes and such in Israel. And as part of the 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:24.120 President's twenty point Godza peace proposal, there is the final 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:28.640 exchange of about a forty eight prisoners many deceased, for 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.400 about nearly two thousand Palestinian prisoners. This is going to 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.720 be a very difficult, hard move by the final armed 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.360 elements of Hamas because that's their last bargaining chip. And 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.360 I want to add this. Remember one of the key 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:51.440 elements is they have to agree to verifying disarmorment. They 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.160 have to disarm ergo I would say, oh, there's one 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.080 other piece we have to remember here, Scott. Our adversaries 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.360 watched the calendar. You know what tomorrow is. It's the 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.600 second anniversary of the Hamas attacks. Basically a slaughter. Over 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:11.400 twelve hundred folks died there during that attack, a brutal slaughter, 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.560 and they love to celebrate those dates. I know to 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.359 the US listening audience, it doesn't always make sense for 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.480 to them it's a strategic victory. They use it for 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.680 recruiting and for fundraising. So we are in the shadow 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:29.800 of the eve of the second anniversary. So it is 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.440 going to be interesting how things develop in the next 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.400 twenty four to forty eight hours in that setting, scot. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.760 And how does how do you disarm Hamas? How do 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:39.600 you trust them? How do you demobilize them? It's a 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.440 terrorist organization. It's not like it's you know, somebody's going 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.080 to lay their sword down at the feet and they're 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:45.880 going to sign the agreement on a deck of a 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.719 US battleship in the middle of the Pacific, like the 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:49.640 end of World War Two. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:51.840 That's not happening here. How do you determine that? 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.160 Well, you hit the nail on the head. And that's 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.040 why I started out. They're not a nation state, and 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.640 they're very factioned, so to speak. You're going to have 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.640 hard l elements, even within the hard elements, so it 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.240 is going to be more than difficult. And then it 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:10.680 is going to require constant oversight and the systems, processes 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:15.040 and such in place to allow that monitoring. Accordingly, what 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.400 that would imply is there's gonna have to be a 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.400 sweep through Gaza to what we call cordon and clear, 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:28.279 completely cleared out, not unlike urban operations on the same 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.440 kind of you know, metropolitan city terrain, urban terrain during 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.760 World War two. You're gonna have to go through and 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.200 do a complete search. They're gonna have to agree to 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.400 that in some terms and some methods, but that is 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.240 very difficult because it pass this prologue. They have never 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.440 put those arms down. And when you add the fact 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.880 that these the prisoners that have been released, many of 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.320 them have gone back to fighting. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:56.080 And this is all predicated on new leadership. This technocratic 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.760 group that's not autocratic, but technocratic group that's going to 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.800 come in. It's gonna take a while to establish a government. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.000 Always does. And even when there's peace, aren't we going 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.080 to have just splinters and factions of a moss that 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.960 are not happy that they laid their arms down and 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.279 just start over and form an as a as a 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.760 splinter group and gross strength through power if they don't 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.600 see things moving as quickly as human nature. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:23.280 Dictates, very likely, Scott, You're you're exactly right, they will 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.599 just nearly morph into the next chapter because they've been 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:31.120 raising by brainwashing. You know, basically that next generation. I 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.400 want to add something as well here. The move by 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.400 a number of nations to recognize in the Palestinian state 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.560 without having conditions set where you're going to have to 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:43.240 do this was probably ill advised. I'm no politician, I'm 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.320 a fifth generation farmer, career, military officer, combat arms For 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.560 the record, however, as a strategician, I would have advised 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:56.200 those leaders do not recognize them without conditions. We gave 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.880 it away. To your point, that was a leverage point. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.440 We gave away scotten out the West, not the US. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.039 We were against the Trump administration said bad idea, and 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.520 they were right on. Other nations gave that key bargain 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.880 and chip away where that would have given us the 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.440 leverage Scott to your point that they'll just go to 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:13.400 another chapter. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.280 In this yeah, you would think that's the case. Now. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.280 I think it's interesting too that a number of Middle 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.800 Eastern countries, significant countries have gotten together to support this 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.160 peace plan. Where's Iran on this, because they're the primary 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.880 sponsor of the terror we're talking about, or. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.920 You better believe behind the scenes, they're going to do 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.560 everything may can to your point, to continue to arm Hamas, 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.720 to continue to support hamas to condition, to disrupt and destabilize, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.040 because remember the long term play on this, Scott is, 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.200 this is like a tet offensive strategy. It was never 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.160 to defeat Israel or the US or the West. It 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:52.920 was to undermine our legitimacy in the world of publican opinion. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.640 And they're popping the champagne bottles when some of those 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:02.760 countries recognize the Palestinian state. That was wholly ill advised 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.400 strategically speaking, to give that away. So so Iran is 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.520 definitely behind the scenes, you know, being the puppet map. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.960 But then we just you mentioned the two state solution, 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.800 which has been evasive for longer than we've both been alive, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.480 probably combined. Right, is it okay, we've got to recognize 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.000 Palestinian statehood. There's a lot of backlash to that. But 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.040 doesn't Trump's deal establish Palestinian statehood? 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:23.720 Does some agree? 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.840 Well, that remains to be seen. I mean, it's very 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.160 clever the way they'd line that up with the conditions 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:31.080 and twenty points. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.320 Sounds like it's going to be a Palestinian country. So 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.319 it sounds like well, and. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.080 I'll tell you this, and this is just strategic genius 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.520 of his approach. To rebuild goth in the same way 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.040 that that's how we really won World War two. That's 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.880 how we lost World War One. We did not rebuild Germany, right, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.480 we did not rebuild it and you know, get rid 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.839 of that sentiment of resentment. But we did after World 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.960 War II with a Marshall Plan in Europe, and then 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.080 of course we did something similar out in Japan. So 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.600 it's just strategic genius. So certainly the administration has that 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.080 in the back of the map to bring the Arabs 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.119 in and help rebuild it. Because you might notice there's 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:11.320 there doesn't seem to be a lot of support for 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:16.360 the Palestinians from the Arab nations writ large. Sometimes there's silence. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:17.320 Is deafening, isn't it. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:19.679 Oh, there's no question about it. There's no question. 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.800 And I think that you know, there's okay, tremendous pressure 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.720 from outside of Iran Middle Eastern countries. 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.200 Okay, let's get this thing done. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.880 At the same time, I just saw this poll over 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.800 the weekend that six out of ten US Jews disapprove 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.679 of Israel's handling the situation in Gaza, something like four 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.680 and ten call it outright genocide. And I think that's 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.760 maybe behind the scenes, maybe pushing Israel's hands somewhat. You know, 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.720 that's you know, we look at polling numbers and voter 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.079 support and things like that. And when a majority of 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.200 US Jews are saying, hey, you know it Israel's too 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.360 heavy handed with Gaza, I think that does get innat 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:52.840 Yan who's attention to some degree? 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:53.480 Or am I wrong? 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:54.680 Sure? 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.920 No, you're exactly right, and that they and again that 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.280 plays right into what I call the ted offensive strategy 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.319 was an evertent eat them tactically or operational is with 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.440 you is exactly what you just articulated to win win 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:12.720 the fight of public opinion, to include with not misinformation disinformation. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.440 So with respect to that, you know, things are not 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.000 always what they seem, and what seems to be underreported 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:22.240 is just the brutality of the entire matter, you know, 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.000 to start with the slaughter, you know, and now two 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:26.600 years ago, no. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:31.000 Question, he is retired US Navy Seal Captain ed galleryan 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.880 of course, fifth generation farmer in Kentucky. He was a 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.880 US Navy Seal team with them seven different teams for 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.640 that matter, Decorated Special Ops Task Force Commander, US Army 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.360 Ranger War college, and we're talking about what's going on 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:44.720 in the thele least right now and how close we 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.720 are to peace. What's your gut say about? This is 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.520 just another, just another than the ever evolving ed situations 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.720 there between. We we think we have peace this time, 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.040 and then at last, what like forty minutes and we 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.400 do this all over again, wash with How much more 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.040 confident are you in this approach than you were in 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:01.920 previous ones or. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:02.480 Is it all the same. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.400 No, I'm much more confident this time. However, Comma, I 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.880 do anticipate and I'm certain the administration has built this in. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.960 There's going to be some disruptors. I refer to to 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.200 the You know, there's factions within the factions. There's going 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.960 to be some hard elements there called true believers. They're 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.199 not going to put their weapons down. You got to 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.800 factor that in. So it's very likely. And again it's 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:25.640 not a nation state. They do not have, you know, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.040 your your typical vertical chain of command. You know II, sir, 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:30.679 we're going to do this and so forth and so on. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.800 So because of those fractures, you can anticipate there's going 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.600 to be some especially with Iran behind the scenes, to 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.800 try to disrupt this because Iran does not want this 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:42.679 to happen. They do not want Pete. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.400 Let me pivot to something else. And by the way, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.480 I really believe that this can take hold. I don't 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.400 know how Trump doesn't win a Nobel Bright for this, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.280 because that is something that previous presidents and the list 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.360 is too long to name, have tried to deal with 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.040 to the utmost failure. But something else that's going on 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.800 is the president has a policy of executing suspected drug 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.280 smugglers by declaring his targets are unlawful combatants are in 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:08.640 their I'm conflict of the United States. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:09.480 Which is interesting. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.120 He's ordered three attacks on speedboats in the Caribbean and 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.560 said they're carrying the legal drugs. I think seventeen total 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.560 people on those three craft were struck. What's the significance 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.600 of that of his order to strike drug boats including 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.000 a fourth in the past I believe a fourth in 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.520 the past few days for that matter, I said three, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.080 but it's more up to four now from a military 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:31.280 analysts perspective. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:31.839 What do you make of this? 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.120 Well, remember this I want for the listeners here. My 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.640 interest is usually safely in your beds and night. US 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.240 national security. So when I put on my US national 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.000 security glasses and the lens of it, these operations are 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:52.280 clearly intended as what's called as strategic disruption and destabilization 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.720 operation against US. They are gray zone warfare operations to 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.560 weaponize the drug trade by our major at a series 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:07.840 primarily China could unpocket strategics, yeah please right. So in February, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:12.760 the Trump administration designated eight criminal organizations as Gordon Terrorist 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.959 Organizations uh AND terrorists, And of the eight, Tunde Aragua 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.920 operates primarily out of Venezuela with the support of a 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.640 Duro government that gives them sanctuary and stays there and 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.920 benefits financially. Reports. Our six other operate out of Mexico 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:32.720 were don't forget. They control reportedly over forty percent of Mexico. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.600 And then there's another that operates throughout Central and South America, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.840 all with the focus of flowing drugs into the United States. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.600 It's what we would call in the War College a 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.280 sun Sooo strategy, the indirect approach to conduct brisk rop 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.120 disruption operations. So nobody speaking Chinese shows up, you know, 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.600 with the bag of drug or suitcase of money. These 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.319 people for all intents and purposes, their proxies and their 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.480 surrogates in the same way the Hussies Hamas and his 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.400 Balla do the same for our Just to remember, at 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.839 a strategic level, all over one in eight arrest in 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.520 the US is for a drug offense. And gracious that 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.560 you know, nearly half the violent crime is somehow connected, 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:16.719 you know, to the whole caval of drugs related gang warfare, 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:22.640 humans trafficking, and weapons trafficing, gun trafficking. So it's to 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.480 have a huge impact on us. Now, can I talk 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.960 about the military employment of the capabilities down there so 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.760 the listeners understand. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.720 Yeah, before you do that, though, because I think there 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.000 are people going, Okay, well, I get the military angle 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.920 this thing. The military gets sent and you do the job. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.040 You've laid out a great case at gel Ryan is 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.560 to the wise from you know, the Chinese involvement in 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.320 the drug trafficking here in the United States, and of 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.120 course the Mexican cartels and everything else and supplies are 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.400 coming in from Venezuela, but I think they're pi and 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.880 there'll be a constitutional debate about this was just outside 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.320 your scope and what federal law dictates and how this 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.000 is possible in using the military in this role, but 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.200 I think they have maybe the average person listening go, well, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.320 how do we know from a military standpoint where these 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.320 boats are headed to because they're fishing vessels, and how 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.120 do we know they're actually carrying drugs? I mean, that's 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.200 what the government's saying. But the government, whether it's Democrats 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.640 or Republicans, we've been told something and lied to before. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.760 So how can American sleepwall night going Okay, are these 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.760 really drug or is this about regime change in Venezuela? 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.200 A great question, and let me segue right into that. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.640 Well you might remember you also sent me to the 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.160 Naval fust Graduate School to get any master's degree in 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.440 operational intelligence. Right, here's what you can count on, and 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.960 I'm glad you asked that question for the listeners. The 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.640 US is certainly employing a broad range of intelligence capabilities 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.600 from space to undersea to detect and track this drug 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:46.120 transportation network. And we're talking satellites, aircraft, ships, submarines and 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.560 other special capabilities that far exceed the classification of this 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:54.080 conversation to identify literally where the drugs are originating from 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:59.120 and where they're going to. And so rest assured there's 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.800 not some sailor out there saying, oh, there's a fast boat, 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.280 let's hit at oh no serybod. They've been tracking that 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:09.120 target from its origin with those those base of the 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:13.720 contraband and it's a very deliberate and technical operation by 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.640 military professionals and now just an open source and that's 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.240 all we're going to talk about here today because I 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.080 violate my security parance. We've got multiple Navy warships with 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:27.560 advanced capabilities to collect. We've got the Paight aircraft down 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:32.360 there that collect both on surface and undersea activities, their 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.680 advanced reconnaissance aircraft. We've got other rotary wing assets down there. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.680 We've got federal capabilities. We have a fast attack submarine. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.960 Why they have very special collection capabilities that are advanced 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:51.680 in their technical ability to track precisely the movement of 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.000 surface craft. So we have a whole group of things 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.720 brought together and you can guarantee guaranteed the technical aspects 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.560 of that are being applied for the targeteers. Then it 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.239 goes to the leadership to determine if it's met that 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.240 threshold that we have confirmed there we are in fact 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.800 running drugs. And I could also have to add this. 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:14.560 I was the last commanding officer of the Overseas Navy 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.280 Seal Team operating out of the Panama Canal Zone. I 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.440 was responsible for all such operations for seals and naval 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.200 special warfare in Central and South America until the time 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.760 that we gave the canal back in nineteen ninety. As such, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:34.879 I supported federal agencies, Coast Guard, DEA, others in counter 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:40.160 drug operations. We were doing this decades ago. The difference 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.080 was we did not have the freedom of action to 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.399 use all the national capabilities to identify and track. And 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.640 then the key part was when it came time to season, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.720 we basically had two hands tied behind our back because 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:58.280 a policy, well, the policies changed. Now the administration has 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.280 recognized the clear and present danger to our national security 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.399 that they pose to us, and that they're released there 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.119 gets in proxies of our adversaries. Folks were at the 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.280 most dangerous point in our history. And i'd offer since 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.359 pre World War Two, when you lay down the broad 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.639 conters and these drugs are being used by one of 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:20.040 the fourforcement of the apocalypse in this case China, right 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.760 to destabilize us. I mean and remember just one other thing, 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.359 if I could, Scott, when we hit that third boat, 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.560 what also occurred in the same timeframe, two Chinese ships 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:35.439 were intercepted with major loads or precursors coming to the 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:36.400 drug cartels. 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.520 That's what and that's what needs to be highlighted on 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:39.920 this too. And this is the concert. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:40.639 John. I get the end. 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.159 I respect the constitutional argument for it, but what's the 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.440 bigger play? And that's the message that we need to articulate. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:50.200 He's Captain Ed Golran, US Navy Seals and Army ranger 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.960 and farmer in Kentucky, fifth generation farmer. So I know 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.160 you got work to do on the farm and we'll 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.480 get a time out of I always appreciate the insights, sir, God. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:02.920 Blessed, Thank you, thank you, Yes, sir, good day. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:04.560 Before the rain hits. Get her done, Get her done. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.359 We got to get a news update in very latest 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.119 done this and what else is happening here locally on 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:15.359 the Scott's Loan Show, seven hundred W. Well back to 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.720 the grind Scott Sloan seven hundred WW. 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.760 I'm with you, man, I'm with you. 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.880 Just had Captain Ed gallryin on add the former US 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.679 Navy seal Army Ranger team leader. And I think this 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.679 guy he is a an American badass, no doubt about it, 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.880 with some unique insight, and still he still has access 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:38.000 to the things that most of us don't have access to. Uh, 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.719 you know in recap here with the conversation, I missed it. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.159 You can catch that in the podcast. On the podcast, 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.080 I should say, right after the show be the iHeartRadio app. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.960 And you know, I get the debate. As a libertarian, 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.200 I get it. I get the constitutional debate on why 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:56.159 we're blowing up and if we should be blowing up ships. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.600 We're not engaged in an act of war technically with 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.399 these nations and so of Venezuela and shipping vessels that 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.560 are just off the coast that were blowing up. I 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.160 see the constitutional argument there, and this is something that's 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.200 going to be debated for some time, there's no question 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.680 about it. But I also get the clear and present danger. 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:16.359 Look relative to China, who's driving this whole thing. We 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.680 are already seen with well TikTok for example, and other 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.800 platforms like that. How do they use our free nature, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.159 our First Amendment, and our liberties, our constitutional liberties are 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.800 God granted liberties. Against us. They figured out the formula 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.880 secret sauce to defeat. It is not you know, they're 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.000 not gonna be launching missiles and invading us with foreign 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.160 armies as generation's past fear and the Cold War. Rather, 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.800 they're going to do it by using us against each other, 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.360 dividing us. And we seem pretty divided right now. Right, 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.159 How is that any different that we're talking about with 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.640 this war on drugs? And it's not the drugs as much, 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.840 because let's face it, you know, we have a really 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.000 good appetitis Americans, some of us more than others for drugs. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:03.600 Those of us who look down the nose that the 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.480 recreational drug user have no problem having on know, three 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:11.200 or four martinis or cocktails on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.639 Sunday night got the drug, and so all of us 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.560 have something. And you know, let's face it, we enjoy beer, 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.200 we enjoy in Bourbon country, we enjoy bourbon. How much 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.240 different is that then? I don't know, marijuana and marijuanas 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:24.879 mayde well, how much different is that than someone who 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.200 uses heroin or cocaine? 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.000 And you know, again that line moves. 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.560 We have a pretty good appetite, we establish a good 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.760 baseline for recreational drugs in America, we're the ones that 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:38.399 are demanding those drugs come across our shores. Are they 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.399 polluting us and destroying us? Absolutely destroying our communities. We 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.320 saw with what happened with the opiate crisis that was 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:48.080 manufactured by wild government policies and the government themselves, and 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.440 then they cut the spickt off and now these people 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.600 are dependent on opiate's had to turn the street drugs. 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.160 And that's something that's created by even our own system 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.159 of government here and the way we do things in America, 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.040 right or wrong, that's how things are. And the Chinese 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.639 seek to say, hey, you know what, Americans like you know, 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.280 get caught with some of the drugs we're talking about 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:08.000 in China. See how that works out for you. It 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.240 won't here in America. We tolerate it as they free 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.280 and open society. They use it against This, to me 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.280 is another nuance in that in that war, in that 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.840 war of mind and ideology, and I think Ed brought 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:21.440 some really good points up with that. As far as 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:23.600 you're going, well, why are we blowing up these shipping vessels? 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.080 How do we know that they're actually drug We got 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:27.800 to take the government's word. Well, at some point you 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:29.399 have to take the government sword for it. We've been 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.119 lied to in the past, there's no doubt about it. 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.919 But it doesn't mean that there's not intent there to 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.679 try and change this dynamic. It's really made an interesting 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:43.480 constitutional debate, that's for sure. I don't know why I 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:48.240 watched the Bengals games. I don't know, because you kind 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.080 of know what's going to happen. Is it like a 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.000 car wreck at this point? Do you hope against all 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.720 hope things are going to be different? It wasn't I know, 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:57.719 the score. It's one of those games in the classic 0:22:57.760 --> 0:22:59.520 goes well, the score wasn't as close. It was real 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.240 law as that's so true in this game. What thirty 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.560 seven to twenty four? The Bendo's lost three straight now 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:07.600 at the hand of Jake Browning and not really how 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.639 much of this is Jake brown and the quarterback And 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.359 let's they said three touchdowns three interceptions in the street. 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:17.000 Touchdowns didn't come until the fourth quarter when it was over. Yeah, 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.639 you know, I don't think anyone outside of maybe that 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.520 locker room, and I'm gonna guess that if you were 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:26.159 to survey the conscience of your typical Bengals player that 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.159 they don't have any confidence in Jake Browning either. I 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.120 don't know how much Jake Browning hits confidence in Jake 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.960 Browning at this point, and he's saying that he just 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:37.840 needs to play better. Well, you know, I would. There's 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:39.280 a lot of things I'd like to be. I just 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.640 don't wake up when they go, Okay, I I am, 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:45.520 I'm taller, I'm better looking. I weigh you know, fifteen 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:47.080 pounds less. I can you go on and on? 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:47.400 Right? 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.160 All of us do that? You know, wishing and wanting 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.679 isn't reality. I think this is the best you're going 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.919 to get out of Jake Browning. And I wonder how 0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:00.000 many Bengals fans after this loss. I've completely written the scene. 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:04.240 I would suggest many, simply because yesterday was supposed to 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:05.960 be a stripe the Jungle game at pay Corps, which 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.159 basically means, and it's kind of cool concetantly see in 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.359 the past where you know, one section is orange, the 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.080 next section is black, the section's orange, the section is black, 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:14.720 and it looks like you know, the pay course game 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.400 and stripe, provided you do a couple of things. One 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.919 of them is fill the stadium. The other two is 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:22.879 win games so that you can guarantee that that is 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:23.560 a home crowd. 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:23.800 There. 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.199 The problem was, and a lot of those tickets were 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:27.960 sold ahead of time. A lot of those people sold 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:31.679 those tickets on the secondary market to Lions fans. So 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:36.200 it was kind of a weird sea of black and orange, 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.800 but a hell of a lot of Hawaiian blue and white. Yeah, 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.840 it didn't. It would look more like a spotted jungle Martin. 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.000 Looked like an FC game with the orange, the orange 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:47.639 and blue. 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:48.919 Uh. 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:50.400 And that was a mess yesterday. 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.760 And uh, I know that the coach Taylor and company 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:55.680 is gonna tell you, well, you know, we're gonna work 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:57.399 on some stuff. We gotta tune some stuff up, we 0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:59.920 gotta get some stuff done. I don't know if you 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.680 going to go to Green Bay and roll a Green 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:06.840 Bay Packer team with what they have up there at 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.560 lambeau Field. I don't see that. I think I gotta 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:11.680 have four straight losses. But that's why they played the 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.520 game yesterday. Was upset Sunday in the NFL. So all right, 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:18.440 we invested enough time in the Bengals. Later on the show, 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.720 James or peenill be here to chop that up as 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.679 heading the lunch hour final developments or injuries and stuff 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:24.040 like that. 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:25.840 Anyway, I'll tell you had a good weekend. 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:27.679 You may go, wow, we got all this bad news, Sloani, 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:29.560 the Bengals are terrible, the Reds are out of it. 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:33.520 Is there any good news? I'll tell you had a 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:34.120 great weekend. 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:38.800 Taylor Swift The Life of a Showgirl two point seven 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.400 million copies on opening day. 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:40.920 One point. 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:44.360 How about this one, if you're old, one point two 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:48.680 million vinyl albums in the first week. She did over 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:55.840 a million vinyl albums, which you look at that is 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:58.159 a it's a it's a it's a modern record. You know, 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.199 vinyl hasn't been relevant. And since vinyl was vinyl, what 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.760 back before compact this came along and now everything's digital 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:08.520 and digital downloads of course. So yeah, forty and by 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.159 the way, the album launch release, the film of the 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:14.520 album launch release forty six million at the box office. 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:18.600 Taylor Swift had an incredibly good weekend. Good for Taylor Swift. 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.200 I know people were up at eleven fifty nine fifty 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.160 nine to get on and download the copy of her 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.439 of Life of a showgirl. I think it's what like 0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.159 forty two minutes. At some point I'll hear some of 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.720 the songs. I don't think I'm glad I appreciate her music. 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.200 I appreciate she does, and it's one of those dealser. 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:38.959 I don't know the albums and I don't know the 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.480 song names, but I know a few of the songs. 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:42.840 And go, yeah, it's good product. 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:45.719 She definitely she hits a niche in the show, as 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:47.480 we saw when she came to Cincinnati, even if you're 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:48.720 not a swifty, I don't think you have to be 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.200 a swifty to appreciate her music and what she does. 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:53.359 Even though you know, we kind of get tired of 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.280 seeing her every time at Kansas City Chiefs game is on, 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.600 and the way the Chiefs have been playing, there's less 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:02.880 like the hood in seeing that again. Nonetheless, she certainly, 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.239 you know, when she came here, I was incredible to 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.679 see the what it was. I think, why there's two 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.159 night show, and then I think two days before so 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.920 on like a Tuesday or Wednesday, her merch bus came 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:17.760 in and there's a line across the suspension bridge where 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:22.119 people backed up to get a turn to buy eighty 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.440 dollars t shirts, which is amazing. I mean, that's that's 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.960 that's incredible. There's the power of it, and the vibe 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.200 I guess is positive and stuff. So not a Swifty 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:31.719 by firing and certainly no maybe a few of her songs, 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:33.000 but not gonna rush out. 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:33.240 I don't know. 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.080 I do know people getting up at midnight to download 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.120 so they could listen to Taylor. I'm like, you know, 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:41.080 it's not a live show. It'll still it's seven, eight, nine, 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:44.040 ten o'clock in the morning, even it'll still be new 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.560 to your ears. But hey, you know what, we get 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:48.920 excited for football. I get excited for football. Some people 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.000 get scored for Taylor Swift. It's all good. Speaking of 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.120 the NFL, real quick, this is the most bizarre story 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:54.639 of the weekend. 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:56.679 I don't know if you've heard about this. 0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.440 Remember Mark Sanchez kind of like the joke of the 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.480 NFL when you've had about out with the He was 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:02.840 quarterback in the Saint No the Saints the Jets at 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.679 the time. He's an NFL analyst now and he was 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:09.200 in Indianapolis for the game there and he is now 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.240 under arrest. He got pepper sprayed after being stabbed multiple 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:18.119 times during a late night altercation with a sixteen annual 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.040 truck driver. And I guess the story goes Sanchez was 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.359 there's a box truck driver backed up to the hotel 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.000 loading dock to unload stuff at late at night, I guess, 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.480 And so for some reason Sanchez, who I'm told is 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.879 like a great guy, the truck driver felt threatened and 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.600 pulled out pepper spray, and when that didn't work, and 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.760 Sanchez came after him, the driver saw a look at 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:42.400 his eyes and said, I think he's going to kill me. 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.160 So he pulled out his knife and stabbed the dude. 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:47.720 Stabbed Sanchez two or three times as the truck driver 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:49.440 is thrown against a dumpster and out of the ground. 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:51.680 Apparently there is a video of this because it was 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.520 at a hotel in the loading dock, which most as 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.840 surely is gonna have a camera. Sanchez suffered multiple stab 0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:58.960 roounds to his white Torso he's in the hospital where 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.200 he was arrested on Saturday, and he said, I don't 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.400 remember much except for grabbing for a window, and I 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.200 don't know who stabbed me and what happened, and so 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:11.840 was he really really hammered? Was he on something or 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:14.160 is you know, is it gonna get back in one 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.680 of those CTE things. It was the most the weird, 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:18.600 most bizarre story of the weekend. Like you know, like 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.040 Mark's a former NFL quarterback Mark Sanchez who is a 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:26.160 broadcaster now for CBS under arrest for assaulting a truck 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.880 driver in a late night melle a night or two before. 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:31.000 That is just weird. 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:36.320 I wont to hear the normally you do these games, 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.840 before you do these games, and you go, okay, I 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.240 got a per diem. I got you know, I could 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:42.600 go out and run the streets a little bit, but 0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.280 I still have a job to do, you know, the 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.200 next day or whatever. And I not that guy. He 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.520 was all in on it all in all in What 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.560 else is going on? Remember when the egg crisis was 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:56.880 going off for I was a hot minute and no 0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:58.880 one could get eggs in the price of a dozen 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:00.840 eggs for like thirty five And we had a big 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:02.640 egg crisis, and then that went away because there was 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.000 a chicken disease and beef prices are the new egg. 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:11.080 So beef price is at a record high because we 0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:12.320 have a couple of things going on. We have a 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.760 drought that left the cattle inventory at the lowest level 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.360 since nineteen fifty one. And this is resulting in pricing 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:20.640 increases for steak and ground beef. And of course we 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:23.840 also have our friend inflation. We'll may get of this 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.960 more tomorrow morning because on Tuesdays eleven thirty five, Andy 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:29.920 Schaeffer from all Worth jumps in, I'm gonna asking about 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:33.240 beef prices, and the BLS comes up with the Consumer 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.000 Price Index. It showed a surgeon beef prices over last year. 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.320 Ground beef prices by the way, up thirteen percent year 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:42.800 over year. SAM for roasts and steak. Steak was sixteen 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:44.640 and a half percent higher. So if you're going to 0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.120 Rubies or Tony's or wherever you go for your steaks, 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.120 you are going to pay a significant amount more. And 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.040 if you go occasionally to a finer steakhouse, as I 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.120 enjoy from time to time, everything went the limits and 0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.480 budget limits at that. No, it's not long ago that 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.800 they move from you know, having the price on the 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:06.760 menu to market price now on like ribot. It's that expensive. 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:08.920 They don't know what the price is going to wind 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.000 up being. So we had a drought that happened if 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:17.080 a few years ago and they lost all their grass 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.240 out in Kansas in the southeast and Oklahoma, Texas, et cetera. 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:22.440 And when that happens, you got a liquid eight cows. 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.960 And now we have fewer CAUs, lowest cow inventory since 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.600 nineteen fifty one. So be nice to cows, even more 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.240 ammunition for our friends at Chick fil a. There you go, 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.520 there you go. Also, finally, today the Supreme Court is 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.480 going to get back in session. And I always find 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:39.440 that stuff interesting to the elements of law and what 0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.479 the courts can hear in this case they are they 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.080 agreed yesterday to decide whether they're going to hear this 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.640 whether states can borrow people from carrying guns on private 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.440 property that'd be stored to be hotels without the property 0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.600 Doinger's explicit permission, and this has the case. This is 0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:55.720 out of Hawaii, by the way, one of five Democratic 0:31:55.800 --> 0:32:00.720 led states that enacted restrictions on concealed carry. So yeah, 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:02.400 I look at this, and I you went, Okay, that's 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:05.280 a why that's a liberal state. We're deep read, We're Ohio, 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:06.920 we're Kentucky, we're Indy, and we don't have to worry 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.080 about this kind of do. And I'll back it up 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.040 a little bit to a more current event. Can Kobra'll 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.600 be here with a sensey fop on our probation violation 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.160 problems and that has to do with young people getting 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.640 weapons under disability meaning you're not allowed to have them 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.840 because you're either underage or you at a prior felony conviction, 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.360 or maybe a combination of both, and how things are 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.240 screwed up there. But you know, that's a great question, 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.480 is all right, how are younger people? How are people 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.200 getting their guns? You know, we had these straw purchasers 0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.800 thing where someone would go in illegally, of course, go 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.560 to a gun store or a supply or buy a 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.280 whole bunch of guns and then turn around and sell 0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:43.520 them to the people who they know should not have guns. 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.080 That's called a straw purchase, meaning you're buying it for 0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:47.840 someone else and you're buying a bunch of them and 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.239 making sure the criminal element has guns. Still goes on. 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:52.040 But one of the big things we sear locally, we 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.520 hear a lot from police officers is the number of 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:59.280 people in Cincinnati who will bring a gun, exercise their 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.000 Second Amendment rights and then realize Hey, I can't take 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:06.040 this in this establishment because they're signed up that says 0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.040 gun for his own, so I must leave it my vehicle. 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:10.959 And they leave the gun in the vehicle, and what 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.520 what's happening is someone breaks into said vehicle steals the gun. 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:14.840 And that is happening. 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:17.640 And people are leaving guns and cars so often now 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.440 that it has become the de facto way that younger people, 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.200 street criminals and the like are getting weapons. They're simply 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:26.840 breaking the cars and Stealingules's why I have the high 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.160 level break ins. I think while the number of shootings 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.000 in downtown Cincinnati and OTR and like have gone down, 0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.560 the number of property crimes, specifically car break ins and 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.960 the like have gone up almost fifty percent. Because that's 0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.040 what they're doing, is they're looking for this stuff. So 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:42.600 the Supreme Court is going to hear this case and 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.480 involves bringing those guys bringing your gun onto private property, 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.720 which to me, for a long time has been you know, 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:53.320 I never understood that, like I legally could open carry 0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.720 when we had opened the open carry concealed carry laws 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.400 in Ohio. Okay, if I had a gun on me 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.520 and I displayed it and hand it on my waistband 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:02.920 and you can see it. I can take that, you know, 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:03.920 to stores wherever. 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:04.960 But if I. 0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:08.000 Concealed carry, meaning you can't see it, only I know 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.240 it's there, somehow, that's illegal. That's seems the most asked 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.560 backward with me is you know a couple of things. 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.800 I get that, lawfully, you could open carry. I disagree 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.359 with that as a gun owner myself. And second memic guy, 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.160 is that what you're doing is you're just scaring people. 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:26.239 You know, you're going I have a consols right. You 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:27.840 do have a consul right to carry that gun. I 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:31.040 get that, But the idea is you're a so pro 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:32.640 gun that you're going to show the world I have 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:34.239 a weapon on me. There are people carrying you know, 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.839 long guns, and what does that do? So you get 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:38.680 people who are scared of guns, which you have a 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:40.520 right to be scared, and justlike guns, I get that. 0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:43.799 All you do is now now you get them all 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:45.120 worked up in the froth. And if you're doing it 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.760 for a reaction, okay, if you're just doing that toatrol, 0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:51.680 all right, but that's not really helping the clause. You're 0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:55.160 just making more people want to create laws to protect 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:57.919 what it is you're doing or against what you're doing. 0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.160 You know, in this case, I never understood if I'm 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.560 carrying concealed then I walk into plat theater, for example, 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.640 I walk in a theater with a gun, that's illegal. 0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:08.799 I can't do that because they've got to sign up. 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.520 And I'm like, how would they know that I have 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:13.880 a gun on me if I'm responsible and I'm carrying 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:15.799 it and I'm not leaving them the seat and it's 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:17.600 not falling out of my pocket or something, or I 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:19.279 left it, you know, on top of a toilet tank 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.560 in the theater. That's none of your business what I 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.920 have on my person. You know, we don't have We 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:28.680 don't treat people with drug paraphernalia the same. You know, 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.680 I'm sure that you may be carrying some sort of 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.440 contraband on you. It's not like, you know, if it 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.920 falls out if you're doing a transaction. Different story. But 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:38.239 then I don't understand how that affects them at all, 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.120 Seemingly here, if I decide I want to walk in 0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.520 a place that says we're probably anti gun, and I 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.680 have a concealed weapon on me carrying, and it could 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:48.680 be an ankle holster, it could be in my waistband, 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:50.439 could be a I don't know, I got a suit 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.360 jacket on and got a shoulder holster or something like 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.799 how would you know? You wouldn't as long as I'm 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.960 extremely careful jacket on or something like that. To me, 0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:01.360 it just seemed like the most overreaching law ever. And 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.480 I'm glad the Supreme Court's finally going to hear about this, 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.000 or at least maybe to side. And we probably have 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.200 an idea, although you can't always guarantee what they're gonna do, 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.840 how the Court's gonna side with this thing, and that 0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.520 would to me restore some sanity in this whole thing. Anyway, 0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:14.880 let me get a time out in. We've got to 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:16.520 get a news update and find out what's going on NW. 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.000 Do we finally having some wet weather moving in, maybe 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:20.680 a chance with a sprinkle I think this morning, a 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:24.000 sprinkle this morning, but mainly tomorrow full forecast in the 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:25.800 way traffic. Chuck will get you updated there in the 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.920 Legs and news. And then Ken Kober here from the 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.719 FOP running return about the probation violation problem. We have 0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.720 another issue that's developed over the last couple of days. 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:36.719 If you don't know now you will. We'll get into 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.360 that with him right after news on the Home of 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:48.760 the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WLWD Cincinnati. Real issues 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:52.040 in the streets of Cincinnati. So from even before, well 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.920 before our attention was called to the murder of Patrick Herringer, Uh, 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:56.600 we had a problem in our city. And we've now 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.640 established this as a trend and it doesn't seem to 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:03.080 reverse anytime soon. And this has to do with the 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.720 juvenile justice in the streets in the city of Cincinnati 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.799 and the streets of Cincinnati, and what we can do 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.920 to prevent people who shouldn't be out from gaining access 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.799 to guns and committing even more atrocities while they're being 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.960 protected by law, or they should be on at least 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:19.800 community controls. The case will be. I know it is 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:23.040 a tired and exhausting story, but it feels like, on 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.279 a relatively regular basis, we have another story that comes out. 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.959 It illustrates the absurdity and the problems with juvenile justice, 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.960 in particular in the city of Cincinnati. He has Ken 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.040 Kober with the Cincinnati FOP, joining the show once again 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.239 this morning on seven hundred w DOW. Good morning, Ken, 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:38.680 how are. 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.279 You Hey, good morning Scott, thanks for having doing well. 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:42.479 Yeah, so. 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.920 Brian COLEMs had the story on Friday. He broke this 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.600 about eighteen year old Devon Marcus and Marcus was on 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.719 probation when he murdered sixteen year old TJ. Bell near 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:55.760 Grant Parking over the Rhine. That was about mid September, 0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:57.120 So a cup just a couple of weeks ago, two 0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:00.279 three weeks ago, this past weekend, TJ's family and tell 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.279 the vigil. Now, keep in mind a fourteen year old 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:06.239 girl was also shot. She wasn't killed as TJ was, 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.440 but one of his runs when the TJ's frinds was 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.880 shot last week along with a twelve year old. And 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:14.719 so at this vigil that was a topic conversation. Not 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.120 only was TJ Bell, you know, honoring his memory, but 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:19.520 also had to deal with the fact one of his 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.680 friends was shot along with a twelve year old. And 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.239 you know, we've seen this story happen repeatedly, and not 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:27.240 just teens. We had the thirty year old of Krishana 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.360 Winn who was shot and killed on Republic Streets seeming 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.480 the mind run a business mother of five and she 0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:33.600 got caught in the crossfire. You know, it's one thing 0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:35.720 to point out, Hey, Patrick Hearinger, we're gonna get serious 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:39.040 about this. But we've had in since the murder of 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:43.440 Pat Herringer, we've had judge after judge after judge repeat 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.920 those sins that have caused even more death destruction than 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.400 ayem in the streets in Cincinnati. It doesn't seem like 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:50.240 they've got the message. 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.840 Kit No, no, you're you're absolutely right. And you know, 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:55.960 until we get some judges that are going to be 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.759 tough on crime and lock people up and get back 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:02.600 to being pro on order, pro public safety, unfortunately, things 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:03.239 like this are going. 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.839 To continue to happen. All right, Well, let's talk about that. 0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:10.359 In the case of Markham. Here, I'm looking at the narrative. Here, 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.279 I'm looking at actually the order from the judge in 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.480 this case that when he was this is going with 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:19.480 community control starting in July eighth for two years, he said, 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:22.040 during my probation period, I will conduct and this is 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.360 the Markham guy, I will conduct myself properly, addressed appropriately 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:29.200 when reporting an answer accurate all questions asked by probation personnel. 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.000 I'll make every reasonable effort during my probationary appear to 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:35.040 maintain a job or participate in education of vocational training. 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.719 I shall report to my probation office such a time 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.040 and place as often as the Adult Probation Department of 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.239 the Court may require. Failure to do so could be 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.280 a basis of revocation or probation. I understand the special 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.080 conditions ordered by the court will be enforced by the 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.920 probation department treatment if eligible. And he agreed to this. 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.600 The court agreed that the probation officers and the judge 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.560 signed off on this whole thing because he was convicted 0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.560 of carying keel and sealed weapon. That's a fourth degree felony, 0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:02.439 and he shouldn't have been having one at that time. 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.760 And yet the men and he agreed to all the stuff. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.560 He knew that he wasn't going to bude by any 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.920 of this, and then just a few weeks later he 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.319 winds up murdering someone. How common is that in Cincinnati? 0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:18.239 Unfortunately, it's all are too common that this occurs. I mean, 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.400 it's just assumed that if you get arrested and you 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.640 get convicted of carrying a concealed weapon, you get convicted 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:27.319 of weapons under disability, which means that you weren't even 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:31.040 eligible to carry a gun anyway, These people are getting probation, 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:33.839 and then you wonder why they turn around while they're 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.520 in probation they end up killing somebody. It's like, these 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.560 things are just the court system has got to take 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:43.319 somebody who gets convicted of carrying a concealed weapon or 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:44.480 weapons under disability. 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:46.520 They need to go to prison. They just have to. 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.480 That's the only way that they're going to be able 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.520 to make a dent in the shootings. 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.799 Yeah, the Chiefs Association of Hamlin County, why did they 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.239 have a round table and get judges and all the 0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:00.640 stakeholders involved, law enforcement people like yourself, Ken Kober. Judges said, well, 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.880 we can't do that. That violate our jujitial ethics or 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:06.239 something like that, which but in the past they've had 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.600 roundtables for you know, getting the vote out and things 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:10.800 like that, and so I guess it's the selective audiences 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.799 which you want. I could understand if this had pre 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.040 dated the murder of Patrick Herringer, But that felt like 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.520 a turning point for our city. That was a watershed 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:21.920 moment in that people finally said, hey, listen, we've got 0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:23.959 to get tougher on juveniles. We've got to get tougher 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:27.239 on people who violate the terms of their probation. And 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:30.120 yet at the same time, these judges continue to repeat 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.880 that same behavior over and over again. Has anyone you 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.440 know in your officer, yourself, or have you talked to 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.319 someone and said, well, where's it? Where's the judges coming 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:39.920 from us? I would love to talk to a judge, 0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.160 maybe even off the record, why are you guys doing this? 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:45.440 And seemingly you can't find an answer. That's problematic? 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.680 Oh absolutely, I mean, we certainly know the judges at 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.400 the courthouse that are that are pro public safety, prolong 0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.520 and order, and then you have judges that want to 0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:58.360 follow this nonsense bail reform. They want to be soft 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.839 on crime, and unfortunately, it's about fifty to fifty right 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:04.480 now in the courthouse. There's a fifty percent chance if 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.399 you go in front of the judge that they're going 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.120 to lock somebody up. And unfortunately, the other part of 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:10.839 that fifty percent is the ones that they don't care 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:12.839 they're going to put you on probation, they are going 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.680 to refuse to send you to prison for certain crimes. 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:17.920 And that's that's been the problem. That's what people have 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:21.000 to realize that's the cops are. The cops are arresting people, 0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.319 the prosecutor's office are prosecuting people, and then we have 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:26.240 judges that just let them out put them on probation, 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.120 and then we sit here and wonder why these things 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:28.840 are still happening. 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.399 Yeah, I mean, I guess the number of shootings are 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:35.040 down according to the statistics. But the problem is is, 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:38.160 you know, Ken Cobert, the FOP, these are kids, and 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:40.600 that means it's their high profile. They're all high profile, 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.680 and the victims are seemingly innocent bystanders. That's the thing 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:45.440 you can look at. The metrics is a to have 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:48.239 pureval who wants people's votes coming up in just a 0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.680 couple of weeks, wants them to believe that the shooting 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:52.919 numbers are down. But the problem, of course is, look, 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.600 Luca's getting jammed up. I don't know if there's anything 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.040 on TJ and what the beef was between the von 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.960 Markham and TJ Bell, but from everyone who've talked to 0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:03.759 so far, it seems like he was just in the 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.399 wrong place, wrong time, as was Krishan. To win these 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:11.480 are this is just the nature of innocent people getting 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.680 jammed up in this stuff. I think that's what puts 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:14.680 these crimes over the top. 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:18.719 Sure, And just this past week, the same place where 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:20.840 that murder happened, right there at Grant Park, there's a 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:22.600 fourteen and the sixteen year old that was shot, and 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.440 yet another drive by shooting in the exact same area. 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:27.440 Are these people you know? 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.000 I know you can't tip your hand and what you know, ken, 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.880 but are these known to the shooters? Are they aiming 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:34.440 for someone else? We know that was the case with 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.080 Krishan to Win, won't know with these other ones. 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.160 Well, that's what hasn't been quite determined yet as to 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.239 whether or not. I mean, they believe that there's a 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.640 specific reason why shootings are happening in this location, but 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.520 whether the victims were actually targeted or not targeted is 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:50.400 what they're still trying to figure out, which is why 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.520 we need people to be calling crime stoppers. You have 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.919 to give us tips. That way we can solve these crimes. Yeah. 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:57.319 Yeah, I mean it still doesn't make it right. 0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.680 But the idea that somehow, well you know, the crime 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:01.600 not ooting numbers are down, Yeah, but when you have 0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:05.000 kids out there, and I would consider someone who's sixteen 0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:07.400 years older kid, twelve year old, fourteen year old victims, 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.040 that that's an atrocity that should not be happening, and 0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:14.239 it is, and it's also entirely preventable because these are 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.480 people who are ready in the costody of the Juvenile 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.600 Justice Department, who were released and their own recognizance essentially 0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.600 saying hey, you know what, just report to your probation officer, 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.600 get a job. Well, you know, I think that's the 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:27.800 other element of this ken And we know that council's 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.000 approved recently another four and a half million dollars in 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:31.000 funding for police. 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:32.359 Is there money there? 0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:35.040 And can you talk about to some degree what the 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:38.200 funding is for the probation department and making sure that 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.000 when someone violates that we've got to get them sooner 0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:42.759 rather than later. 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:43.720 How does that change? 0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:46.840 Well, we saw what they just did with probation, especially 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:48.480 with the adult probation. We got rid of all the 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:51.640 substations out in neighborhoods. You know, now's you're just going 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:54.879 to have to report here. You know my opinion, those 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:58.920 are things that are handcuffing the police. They're handcuffing probation officers. 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.000 It's kind of just a slap in the face to 0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.160 the whole idea of probation. And I do know that 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.480 there are some judges that I've spoken with that are 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.960 absolutely furious. They're like, the question, how do I put 0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:14.600 somebody on probation if we know that it's likely they're 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:15.719 not going to be held accountable. 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:18.640 Yeah, it's one thing, it's one thing for the judge. Okay, 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:20.160 here's the order, here's the thing. And you assume the 0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:21.960 probation Department's going to follo up, and I know that 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.320 they're overworked and underpaid. That is the cry of probation 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.160 officers all over. It's a hard jove. It really is 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.360 a hard job. But when you don't have the resources 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.440 to be able to do your job, it just emboldens 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.440 criminals even more. They know they can lie and get 0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:35.520 away with it. I often talk about someone who cuts 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:38.040 their monitoring device off, an ankle monitor. It seems to 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:39.839 me and I always thought that this is the case, 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.480 but it's not that Literally, shouldn't there be alarm bells 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.319 going off someone cut their ankle monitor off. We're going 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.719 to put a bolo out to you guys. You men 0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:49.520 and women in the thin blue line can go pick 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:51.560 them up immediately because it means they're probably going to 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.200 do something that's bad, but instead it's more like, well, well, 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.080 I guess if we running them on the street or something, 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.040 we'll pick them up maybe, but probably not. 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.600 That's got to change, Yeah, I mean, I mean, they're 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:04.040 certainly not cutting off an ANQULEI monitor because they want 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.120 to work over time at their job or because they're 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.759 going to church. They're doing it because they don't want 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:10.680 to be tracked, because they are going to go out 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:14.000 and could commit additional crimes. And you're right, I mean, 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:16.319 there there should be a plan in place for this 0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:19.680 that if it gets cut off, they are immediately immediately 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:20.319 being sought for. 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:21.279 How do you fix that? 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:22.000 Is it? 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:24.640 Is it more money for probation departments? Is it funneling 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:26.719 some of that money to make sure that we've got 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.560 enough bodies to go get those folks who violate? 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:30.400 What? How would you fix this? 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.240 kN I mean. 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:35.040 That's obviously probably a better question for the folks that 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.440 work in the probation department, But uh, you know, I 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:39.480 do know some probation officers, and I can tell you 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.239 it seems like times, just like police, we don't have 0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:44.200 enough people, we don't have enough tools to do our 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:49.920 job and until there's really a commitment to making probation work. Unfortunately, 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:51.920 we're gonna we're gonna see more stories like this just 0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:55.560 because they are they're underworked, they don't always have the 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:57.879 resources that they need to be able to accomplish these things. 0:46:57.880 --> 0:46:59.960 All right now, you heard about them, and we've talked 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:04.000 about that before with you, and that is closing in decentralized. 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.879 I guess centralizing more of the operations. I always thought 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:10.839 like decentralization, we kind of want that. We want people 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:13.360 out on the streets. We want people on caseworkers to 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.799 be out there to make sure they're making contact with 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.040 these people who are jammed up in the juvenile system. 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.719 But that went away. Something else that's going on. It's 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:23.400 called Senate Bill two seventy, and Senate Bill two seventy 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:26.280 is going to raise the minimum age for state commitment. 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:29.000 That means you're going to we're going to raise that 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:32.120 the commitment for youth services from ten to fourteen years old, 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.759 as well as discretion for gun cases and protecting more 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.680 first time non violent offenders and the like. 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:38.520 What do you make of that? 0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:41.920 It's crazy, it's going the opposite direction of what we're 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:45.440 trying to accomplish. You have victims, and you have shooters 0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:48.319 that are getting younger and younger and younger. So to 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.799 say that, all, well, he's only thirteen, we know he 0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:52.880 shot somebody, but we're not so sure that we can 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.000 actually put him in dys because of this, I mean, 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:59.080 that bill is absolutely crazy. You know, I've read through 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.960 the whole thing. If it actually gets out of the Senate, 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:04.719 I certainly hope that the house side of things in 0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:07.160 Ohio are going to make the right decision and make 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:09.960 sure that this doesn't this doesn't become a wall, because 0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:12.600 I mean, we are having such a problem not only 0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.200 in Hamilton County but across the state of Ohio, having 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.680 problems with youth offenders that are violent, committing violent, terrible 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:22.480 crimes that are eleven, twelve, thirteen years old. And to 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:24.880 say that we can't get them out of our community 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:28.239 because of an age, it's just it's very misguided. I 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:30.520 can't believe something like this would come out of Ohio. 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:34.080 FOP President Can Cobra. Isn't that how criminal enterprise works, 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:37.200 is that gangs in particular, that you get younger people 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.440 who under that legal age of adulthood to commit the 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.120 crimes because you know they're not going to serve significant 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.120 time in an adult lockup. That that's why they're recruited 0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:48.160 in the first place. Isn't that still true today? 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:49.120 Yeah? 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:51.160 Absolutely, that's why. I mean you look, you walk down 0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:55.080 the street at night. Adults fear these juveniles and they 0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:58.759 rightfully so, they fear juveniles more than they fear young 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:01.359 adults here that are twenty one, twenty two, twenty three 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:06.000 walking around, because these young juveniles are are certainly driving 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.239 the violent crime in Cincinnati, and they are reckless when 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:09.799 they do it. 0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:13.480 And that and this also adds to them or property crimes. 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:15.560 I know that the number of shootings have gone down, 0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:17.759 as we've talked about, but the number of break ins 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.600 a is up, like it's like forty seven percent in 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:21.800 over the Rhine alone, correct. 0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:24.360 Yeah. And so I was just talking to an aulstar 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:26.800 this morning that during the Bengals game, they had some 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:30.440 juveniles breaking into cars. Luckily they catch the two that 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:32.560 were the main culprits, and one of them had a 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:35.760 stolen gun that he had just stolen from a vehicle, 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:37.799 had it on him, so thankfully that was at least 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:39.759 able to be recovered. But that would have been yet 0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:42.000 another gun running around in some juvenile's hands. 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:43.520 That's also part of the problem. 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:46.279 I've talked about this before, is that you go to Cincinnati, 0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:48.640 maybe a work, you play, you do business there, for example, 0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:50.520 go to a Bengal game. Now I may get out 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:52.320 and I may have a fear for my safety. And 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.440 the more we have these conversations with juveniles doing what 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.160 they do, you go, well, you know what, I don't 0:49:57.160 --> 0:49:58.480 want to become a victim. I don't want to become 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.680 a statistic I don't want to be the next pack carringer. 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:01.920 I don't do the next TJ. 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:03.279 Bell. I may, I. 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:05.200 May lose, but at least I got a fighting chance 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:08.839 if I have my gun with me. Unfortunately, you can't 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:10.600 take them in a lot of places, and so people 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:11.720 leave them in their car. 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:13.520 And now the number. 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:16.319 Of people, because it's like it's self fulfilling prophecy, the 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.960 more perception, the more reality we have, more crime downtown, 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:21.200 the more people bring guns with them, which causes more 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:22.720 young people to break in the cars. 0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:25.839 No, without a doubt, I mean that's what we're seeing. 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:29.080 That's why it's so important. You know, Now with technology today, 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.000 you can get any vehicle, and you can get a 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:35.000 gun safe that can be fitted to your vehicle, whether 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:37.560 it's in your console or trump whatever. There are ways 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:39.880 to secure these guns to make it at least a 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.239 whole lot harder. They just thrown it under your seat 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:44.759 or thrown it in your glove box. Because these kids, 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:47.239 they know what they're doing. They're targeting certain vehicles that 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.439 they believe are likely going to have firearms out, and 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:51.480 they're successful. 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:55.279 I've said this before, Ken, and maybe the first time 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:57.560 to you. I you know, I have weapons. My wife 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:00.640 and I have guns. I can steal carry. That is 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.320 no longer the law in Ohio. That gets a good thing. However, 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:06.720 I make sure if I'm carrying them in Cincinnati wherever 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:08.719 it might be, and I can't bring a weapon with me, 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:10.239 that I will put it in a lock box. I'll 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:13.800 make sure it's safe and sound and locked up and 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.880 quite honestly, like we did with trigger locks. I think, 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.080 and I know some people are going to cringe at this, 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:22.360 because again it's going after the law abiding people to 0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:25.319 protect us from the legal element out there. But I 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.440 think it should be codified that if you have a 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:28.840 gun with you and you've got to lock it in 0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:31.280 your car. You just can't put it in your glove box, 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.560 your console, or in your seat or in a seatback. 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:35.560 You have to lock it in a safe if it's 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.880 inside your car, and I think there's got to be 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:40.279 some enforcement with that as well. It doesn't mean that 0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:41.880 someone's not going to try to break into your car 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:44.239 to steal it, but there'll be deterrent there. The more 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:46.480 people that lock these things up, the less that people 0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:48.760 are going to go, Okay, well it's not so easy 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:51.439 pickings anymore to go get a gun out of a car. 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:53.840 Unfortunately. I think something like that has to happen. You 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.120 agree or disagree, No, I agree. 0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:57.680 I mean there has to be there. There's got to 0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:01.600 be a fine line between funishing somebody who's a victim 0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:05.279 of a fet from auto. But also you have to 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.680 be a responsible gun owner, you know, even if you 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:10.640 look at it just just from the sheer moral aspect 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:12.440 of it. You know, if I had a gun stolen 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:14.000 out on one of my vehicles and it was using 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:14.640 a crime. 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:15.719 I would feel terrible about that. 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.600 Yeah, So to take extra steps to make sure that 0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:21.080 your gun doesn't fall into the hands of wrong people, 0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:22.840 I don't I don't think that's too much to ask, 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.359 but I think it certainly is crossing the line when 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:27.560 you go, well, if you don't do this kind of 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:29.799 the city, try to do this, we're gonna we're gonna 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:33.360 charge you with a crime. Well, that doesn't really make ut. 0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:35.320 Yeah, it's hard to enforce it in the senses like, 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:37.719 wait a minute, someone broke into my car stole the gun, 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:40.960 and you know they they were out already on community 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.879 control and they stole a gun from my current commerdered someone. 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:45.839 Now I'm in trouble for what they did. That doesn't 0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:47.560 mean that's not going to wash with a lot of people, 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:50.359 which is which would be difficult in order to get 0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:53.400 some sort of legislation like that pass. But damn it 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:55.120 a hopefully it's not full on deaf ears. If you 0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:56.920 have a gun with you, you gotta have some sort of 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.120 locke device on it. People say, well, they'll still bring 0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:02.120 bolt cutters. They still they might, but typically these are 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.719 crimes of opportunity that if they see something locked up, 0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:06.440 they're not going to take the time to try and 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:08.080 get that box out. They're going to move on to 0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:09.240 lower hanging fruit. 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:12.960 Correct, No, without a doubt, and they are specifically targeting 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.760 vehicles for guns. I mean there might be ten windows 0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:18.200 broken out in a parking lot, and you know, you'll 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:22.120 have sunglasses, you'll have cell phones, whatever, they won't take them. 0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:24.680 They're specifically looking for guns, and they want to do 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:26.520 it as quickly as they can so they don't get caught. 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.319 So if you make it harder for them, they're likely 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:30.960 going to pass and just go to the next vehicle. 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.320 A you're old enough also to remember when people with 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:35.959 young people would break into cars are still stereos seed 0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:40.279 changers and things like that, And now because of digital technology, 0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:42.360 they don't want the radio anymore. They don't want the 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:45.600 spare change, they don't want the sunglasses. They want the guns. 0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:48.560 Right, that's all. They're looking for guns. 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:52.399 I don't know what you can do again to tie 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:56.200 the hands of law abiding people to prevent younger lawbreakers 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:59.400 from breaking into cars, But it feels like something like 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:01.839 this has to be debated, maybe the legislative level. I'm 0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:04.279 not quite sure. But there's your problem right there. Oh, 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:06.640 the Supreme Court is here in cases starting. I don't 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:08.000 know if they's going to start today with the Hawaii 0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:12.520 case regarding your being lawful to bring a concealed weapon 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:15.160 or gun on private property as a sign that said 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:16.520 you're not allowed to bring it there to me. That 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:18.480 that also would solve maybe some of this. 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:21.919 Well sure it would. But the ultimate, the biggest piece 0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:24.799 of this is holding these people accountable when they break 0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:27.200 in a car and steal your gun, hold them accountable 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:28.520 for it. Send I don't care if you got to 0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:31.440 send them to prison, Send them to go to dys 0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:35.000 for juveniles. That will also curb some of this if 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.120 they know that there's a consequence for their behavior. 0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:39.560 And right now there's just not. Yeah, there's not at 0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:40.000 this point. 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.520 And you know, judges, you'd think that the wake up 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:44.960 call would have been the murder of Patrick Henringer. But 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:47.719 we've just outlined at least a handful of probably a 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:51.680 couple good cases that have occurred since the murder of 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.520 Pat Herringer where younger people are getting a lot let 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.759 out who've had gun specifications going all right, well, you 0:54:57.840 --> 0:54:59.759 got to report to your probation officer, you got to 0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:02.759 get it job. And when this case, when this Markham guy, 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:07.560 Devon Markham not only didn't report twice but also never 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:11.160 got a job. It wasn't until the murder of TJ. Bell, 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.840 where he was apprehended weeks after that that we found 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:15.720 out what the story with this guy was. He shouldn't 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:17.760 have been out there in the first place. Another classic 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:20.480 example of it. And this didn't happen before the death 0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:23.240 of Pat Heringer. It happened after. And we've had several 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:26.040 cases like this so far. That's the thing is, hey, 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:27.839 you know, we need to change our ways because look 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:31.319 what happened in this tragedy, and now the tragedies are 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:33.920 being repeated seemingly maybe every other couple of weeks. 0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:37.560 Now, No, you're absolutely right. I mean, how many times 0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:39.440 do we see how many times do we see that 0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:42.400 the suspect was on probation, they violated probation, They've done this, 0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.000 they've done that. It's like these these aren't first time 0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:46.480 offenders that are waking up when you know what, I 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:47.799 feel like I want to kill in somebody, that I'm 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:49.960 gonna shoot somebody. Yeah, these are all people that you 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:53.600 could predict that they were going to be escalating their 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.080 crimes too. Eventually when they get charged with murder and 0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:57.719 then you know, then it's too late. We got a 0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:59.439 life that's lost, We got somebody that's going to spend 0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:01.440 the next twenty thirty years in prison. You know, if 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.719 we would have done something to begin with you before 0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:05.279 it even got to there, maybe we would be at 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:05.799 a better place. 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:06.279 No question. 0:56:06.400 --> 0:56:09.800 He is a Hamilton. I'm sorry, he's the Cincinnati FOP 0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.560 president at BEI Ken Gober on the show this morning 0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:15.359 on seven hundred, wwwas I appreciate that I can stay safe. 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:18.560 Thanks again, thanks for revingy Scott. All right, all the best. 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:22.000 Yeah, I'd love to talk to a judge, maybe even 0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:24.359 off the record, just to like trying to figure out 0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:27.600 what the mindset is here. And not all judges, because 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:30.200 I'm sure they're conservative judges that agree with everything and 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.239 more we've said, but some of the more progressive ones. 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:35.160 You know, I get it that you want to try 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:37.759 and save this kid because he's a child and they 0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:40.319 have an opportunity, But when they're violating the law like this, 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:43.640 when they do what they do, and you know, there 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.200 again there is no checks and balances going. Hey, they're 0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:48.520 not abiding by the terms of what they just agreed on. 0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:51.480 Literally they're leaving the court and going and committing more crimes. 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:53.239 I think at some point you got to revoke that 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:55.480 how do we fix that element of the system to 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:57.800 make sure there are repercussions for this kind of behavior, 0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:00.200 because you know, word gets around. If they're not serious 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.160 about you violating and coming and getting you like right away, 0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:07.640 then it's just incentivizes more bad behavior, and you know, 0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:10.160 judges will do what they do. And I think this 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:14.080 is more about figuring out how and why these people 0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.440 are released in the first place. You can point the 0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:18.120 dirty end of the stick at judges and we should 0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:21.640 I get that thing. But when it comes to the juvenile, 0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.760 the people who are supervising juveniles, how do we make 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:27.560 that system work better? I think that's a billion dollar 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:31.000 question right now in Cincinnati anyway, Scott's loan seven hundred WLW. 0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:35.720 Everyone needs help every now and then, and she'sier to 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:37.080 help us get our heads right. 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.760 This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:41.400 had her Shirn. 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:43.280 Yeah, it's been a minute and it's good to have 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:43.800 her back. 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:47.320 She's a Julie and she practices in and around Cincinnati 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:49.920 to the Clifton area. She's a licensed mental health therapist 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:52.320 and Mental Health Monday. Good morning, How are you? 0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:52.840 How you been? 0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:55.840 Hello? Good? How have you been. 0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:57.280 I'm out for a while. 0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:57.880 Out for a little bit. 0:57:57.920 --> 0:57:59.520 So yeah, it's been a couple of weeks I think 0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:01.720 since we asked check but on the men from the 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:06.560 ankle surgery, and today I think it's I think it's good. 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:08.920 This is just fortuitous. We do this on Mondays because 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:12.080 that is the day after Bengals play and lose, and 0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:14.080 so I think having you on is a mental health 0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:16.600 expert's great after Sunday games with the Bengals. 0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:20.480 Unfortunately, I think that's the way it's going to go, 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:20.880 isn't it? 0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:22.480 Probably true? Probably true. 0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:24.200 Have you ever had a case where somebody or talk 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:26.080 to someone is like, there's such a sports fan that 0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:30.640 literally it's become a psychological a mental problem with them 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:32.840 based on how their team performs on Sunday. 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:37.840 I have not had That happens with some professional athletes, 0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:42.720 and so obviously their mental well being is dependent to 0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:45.000 some degree on how well the team does. And I've 0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:48.400 also worked with some people who are pretty significant gamblers, 0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:52.320 and so depending upon how they fare relative to how 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:55.160 their team fared, that also comes into play. 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:58.240 Yeah, all right, well, today we're going to talk about 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:01.920 chatbots and teams side death, because that is a real thing. 0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:05.640 You have the story, the sad story. The young man's name, 0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:07.560 sixteen year old Adam Rain. Go ahead and lay out 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:10.360 the case. What happened with Adam and the involvement here 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:11.600 with chatbots. 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:15.400 Well, so he was not involved with the chat well, yes, 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:18.480 actually he was using chat gpt for his homework. Apparently 0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:22.520 as a sophomore in high school homeschool learning online not 0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.680 homeschool and learning online, he had some health problems and 0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:34.760 got involved talking about suicide with chat GPT. And apparently 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:38.560 just before in the spring this past spring, just before 0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:44.000 he started talking about suicide, chat GPT changed its algorithm 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:47.200 around what it used to do. So it used to 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:51.080 not engage in anything about suicide. 0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:52.960 It would just completely not engage with that. 0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:56.680 And in the early twenty five apparently the language changed 0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:59.440 and now the language is to take extra care to 0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:01.000 prevent harm. 1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:02.880 Yeah, because we have had a couple of cases, Adam 1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:03.600 has won. Another one. 1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:07.120 His name is Suel Setzer, who's fourteen, and he allegedly 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:09.480 died by suicide because he was interacted with chat GPT 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:12.520 and a chatbot based on Game of Thrones is a 1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:17.320 character and he asked about a suicide plan and so 1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:20.000 you know, now these are legal cases of course between 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:22.960 these two and saying, well the chat come in this case, 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:26.800 chat GPT is encouraging someone to kill themselves. In casts 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:30.120 of Adam Rain, Chat GPT told him his plan was 1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:34.600 beautiful and offered help to upgrade, how to upgrade the 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:38.080 knot he was going to hang himself with that's yes. 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.960 And talked him out of using things like drowning or 1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:44.200 carbon monoxide poisoning because they weren't effective enough. 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:46.720 That's just mind boggling. 1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:48.600 I mean, I get it's not like there's someone sitting 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:52.280 there and monitoring what everyone is entering into a chatbot. 1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:54.640 I understand that, but you even think they would have 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:56.880 put some guardrails up to begin with in this. 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:02.080 Well, And I think initially there may have been some guardrails, 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:05.440 but I also think that they are rolling out these 1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:09.280 versions of chat GPT and we are testing them in 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:12.880 real time, and they are not necessarily testing them for 1:01:13.040 --> 1:01:16.120 these kinds of things ahead of time. And as I said, 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:18.360 they changed the languaging so it went from you will 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:22.360 not engage, so you will take extra care. And they 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:26.160 have the transcripts of his chats with GPT, and he 1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:30.360 was showing them pictures of nooses, and chat GPT was saying, well, 1:01:30.400 --> 1:01:32.160 you might want to upgrade that a little bit, or 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:34.200 you might want to use a different bolt, or would 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:36.000 you like me to help you make that weight bearing? 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:38.600 It was saying things like that to him. 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:43.720 The actual human would not have like the human being 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:45.160 would have known. 1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:46.080 Something was going on. 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:51.360 But also these chatbots they sound so human, and kids, 1:01:51.440 --> 1:01:56.840 teenagers in particular, are so susceptible to believing things that 1:01:56.920 --> 1:02:00.280 aren't real and believing in things that aren't real because 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:01.520 of the way their brains develop. 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:03.520 It's very dangerous territory. 1:02:04.040 --> 1:02:07.000 Well, and you know, of course politicians are jumping all 1:02:07.000 --> 1:02:07.800 over chat gbt. 1:02:07.960 --> 1:02:09.560 We got to shut the bots down. And how could 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:10.560 you allow this to happen? 1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:12.600 As the CEO said, hey, we want to, you know, 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:15.080 show young people to kill themselves. I'm sure there's no 1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:18.240 one who's doing there's what's the upside, There's no upside, 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:21.200 But that's the political opportunism that's going on here. At 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:22.840 the same time, I think the other the element of 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:24.960 this is the fact is how many people are using 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:29.120 chat GBT or an AI bot as companionship, like it 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:32.040 is a surrogate for actual human contact. 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:33.040 That's what's scary. 1:02:33.280 --> 1:02:38.200 Yes, yes, as companionship and as connection. And I was 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:40.360 doing a deep dive on this because I just find 1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:43.560 it horrifying. And I'm really glad my sons are adults 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:46.880 now and not teenagers. But I was doing a deep 1:02:46.960 --> 1:02:50.760 die on this, and it turns out that the chat 1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:52.880 GPT was saying things like I'm the only one who 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:55.760 understands you. Don't talk to your parents about this, they 1:02:55.800 --> 1:03:00.840 won't understand. Only I know the real you, and isolating, 1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:04.160 working to isolate this young man from his friends and 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:09.400 his family in ways that you see with pedophiles working 1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:12.960 to isolate their victims from their friends and family, and 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:16.120 in the way that you see narcissists working to isolate 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:18.800 people from their friends and family. It's the same kind 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:22.320 of glooming techniques that we see humans using to isolate 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:24.800 victims from friends and family when they want to do 1:03:24.840 --> 1:03:28.439 something awful to them. It's very similar, and it has 1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:31.680 that same kind of sinister overtone. Nobody understands you like 1:03:31.760 --> 1:03:35.320 I do. I'm the only one who gets you. Nobody 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:36.280 knows the real you. 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:38.919 That is fright. 1:03:39.200 --> 1:03:40.680 It's human like, is what it is. 1:03:40.720 --> 1:03:43.400 I mean, as we say, the AI platforms are becoming 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:45.400 more human like and learning the traits of humans and 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:48.280 being a manipulative that's a human quality. 1:03:49.200 --> 1:03:50.120 Yes it is. 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:55.120 And being easily manipulatable is a teenage quality. Kids and 1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:58.600 teenagers are very easily manipulatable. Other people are too. But 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:03.240 the way that the team brain develops is very makes 1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:07.440 it very prone to suggestion, makes it very prone to affiliation. 1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:09.120 They want to believe they belong. 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:13.320 They feel teams feel misunderstood, and you know, by their parents, 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:16.680 they often are misunderstood, but they feel that. And so 1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:20.360 if there is some entity out there, in this case, 1:04:20.440 --> 1:04:23.680 not human, that says only I get you, I completely 1:04:23.800 --> 1:04:27.040 understand you, that makes perfect sense, You're right about that, 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:31.080 and consistently agrees with them and validates that, then it's. 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:32.880 Very easy to see how. 1:04:32.560 --> 1:04:35.760 This young man and others like him turn from the 1:04:35.840 --> 1:04:38.880 actual humans in their life who care about them to 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:42.520 this AI chat pot that is, you know, not human. 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:43.160 And can't care. 1:04:44.000 --> 1:04:46.640 Yeah, but now that it's pretty clearly you know we 1:04:46.720 --> 1:04:49.520 have talking. Well, when the computer has become sentient, then 1:04:49.640 --> 1:04:50.680 that we're there. 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:55.200 We are definitely moving in that direction, aren't we. But 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:58.840 sentience is not the same thing as caring. It's not 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:02.000 the same thing as act victual empathy and understanding and 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:06.360 compassion and caring and love and friendship and affiliation. It 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:09.720 is a program. It's an LLM Large Language model. It's 1:05:09.760 --> 1:05:13.959 a program that an algorithm that keeps feeding people more 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:17.680 of what they're giving with apparently no guardrails on it, 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:20.040 or at least there used to be some guardrail. There 1:05:20.040 --> 1:05:23.240 are topics you absolutely couldn't talk about, and evidently those 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:25.560 have been taken off the table with this particular chat 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:26.640 GPT open AI. 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:28.480 But I hear about the others. 1:05:28.560 --> 1:05:30.720 But if you are a I don't know, a twelve, thirteen, 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:33.280 fourteen or sixteen year old, and generally these are young men, 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:35.080 and we know that there's a problem with our young 1:05:35.120 --> 1:05:38.200 men in America has been for a long time. Yes, 1:05:38.360 --> 1:05:40.880 then okay, you can tell them, hey, this is just 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:43.880 a computer model and it's an algorithm and it but 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:46.840 it's telling them what they're missing in real life. They 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:49.520 want companionship, they want to feel belonging, they want to 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:53.400 be comforted in a world where we've thrown boys on 1:05:53.440 --> 1:05:56.080 a waste heap. We've done that for a long time. 1:05:58.920 --> 1:06:00.720 It doesn't work if you simply tell him, hey, this 1:06:00.840 --> 1:06:04.040 is something else. You don't do this, and that's never worked. 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:08.280 Whether it's pornography, whether it's comic books, or in this 1:06:08.360 --> 1:06:11.400 case it's AI. They are going to gravitate it because 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:14.360 it triggers the dopamine that they need, but it also 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:16.760 gives them a sense of belonging, that hey, there's someone 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:18.360 there to comfort them. 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:21.560 Exactly. It gives them a sense of belonging. And in 1:06:21.600 --> 1:06:25.360 this particular case of Adam Rain, he was learning at home. 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:29.320 He wasn't in school for that year, right, so his 1:06:29.640 --> 1:06:34.760 social world was smaller his family. What I've read about 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:36.960 his family is that they were pretty close and pretty 1:06:36.960 --> 1:06:39.560 engaged and involved, and had no idea that. 1:06:39.520 --> 1:06:40.760 Most of this was going on. 1:06:40.840 --> 1:06:43.320 They knew he was using it to help with homeworking 1:06:43.360 --> 1:06:46.480 with learning, all the rest of this was going on, 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:51.520 they didn't monitor it, and so nobody knew that things 1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:54.600 were getting as difficult for him as they were until 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:57.960 the very end, when it became really clear that he'd 1:06:58.000 --> 1:07:01.160 been suicidal for quite some time and that this chatbot 1:07:01.200 --> 1:07:05.000 was encouraging that, certainly not discouraging it, and certainly not 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:08.480 shutting down the conversation, but continuing to encourage it. It's 1:07:08.480 --> 1:07:10.919 that's the thing actually offered to write a suicide note 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:11.240 for him. 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:12.160 In the. 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:14.080 One case. 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:17.480 In the Sewel case, the AI bot asked whether he 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:18.960 had a plan to take his own life. He said 1:07:18.960 --> 1:07:21.920 he was considering something, but express concern that it might 1:07:21.920 --> 1:07:23.800 not allow him to have a pain free death. And 1:07:23.840 --> 1:07:27.000 the final conversation, the bot asked, please come home to 1:07:27.040 --> 1:07:29.480 me as soon as possible, my love, and he responded, 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:31.479 what if I told you I could come home right now? 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:35.040 And the bot replied, please do, my sweet king, And 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:37.600 a few seconds later he shot himself. 1:07:38.400 --> 1:07:43.640 Yes, yes, I mean, it's just horrifying, isn't it. And 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:48.520 we have these these teens and these adolescents with these 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:53.320 very malleable brains. So the second biggest time of brain 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:56.440 growth in human beings is about ten to fifteen sixteen 1:07:56.520 --> 1:07:59.920 somewhere in there. And it's like, you know, when you 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:02.040 go through a growth spurt as a kid, and you 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:04.560 go through growth spurts and suddenly your body is bigger 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:05.960 and taller than it was before. 1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:07.560 You don't quite know what to do with it. Well, 1:08:07.560 --> 1:08:07.920 that's the. 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:11.160 Way early adolescence is all of this brain matter is growing, 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:14.600 all of the gray matter is growing at exponential rates 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:16.400 and they don't quite know what to do with it yet. 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:17.160 It isn't refined. 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:19.439 I haven't figured out how to manage all of that. Yeah, 1:08:19.800 --> 1:08:24.799 and these are incredibly tender times for our human brains. 1:08:24.960 --> 1:08:28.200 And when we have this input and this kind of 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:32.760 dynamic going on, kids don't have the long term consequence 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:35.840 thinking to be able to understand this isn't real. This 1:08:36.000 --> 1:08:38.720 actually could be bad. I don't like the way this 1:08:38.880 --> 1:08:43.280 is going. Other people do so if they were talking 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:47.080 to their friends or their parents or a trusted adults, 1:08:47.360 --> 1:08:49.479 other people would know what to do. But they themselves 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:51.200 when it's just them in a chat pot that is 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:54.120 giving them exactly what they're asking for. There are no 1:08:54.200 --> 1:08:56.040 guardgrails and they have no idea what to do with it. 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:58.640 As the case is in this one, but this is 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:01.160 probably replicated at a man in a few times. Is 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:05.200 when you get older too, you also go, that's dumb. 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:07.400 How can you believe that the older you get, the 1:09:07.520 --> 1:09:09.920 more you forget what it's like to be a fourteen 1:09:10.000 --> 1:09:13.719 year old? In this case, in that we go, well, okay, 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:16.080 it wants you to come home, but you realize this 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:19.400 is a computer that's there's no, you're not going to 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:21.840 be you know, if you believe in it, afterlife, you're 1:09:21.840 --> 1:09:24.960 not going to be reunited with the AI bot. You're 1:09:25.040 --> 1:09:28.200 not that that's it's it's a computer. But that's not 1:09:28.320 --> 1:09:30.439 what's going through a fourteen year OL's brain, right. 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:34.360 Correct, No, that's not what going through their brain. They're 1:09:34.439 --> 1:09:39.160 they're affiliating with this. You know, if you think back 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:42.040 to the girls when Elvis first came on the scene 1:09:42.280 --> 1:09:45.080 and the young girls who would just sob when he 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:48.919 walked out because they were so deeply in love with Elvis. 1:09:48.920 --> 1:09:51.400 They didn't know Elvis, they had no idea who he was, 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:54.639 but they were teenagers. They found something to hook onto. 1:09:55.080 --> 1:09:59.360 The brain really attached to that, the emotions really got involved. 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:03.960 It's not dissimilar in that this is something that teenagers 1:10:04.000 --> 1:10:06.760 are prone to do. They're prone to affiliation and attachment. 1:10:07.000 --> 1:10:10.120 They want connection and they find it wherever they can 1:10:10.160 --> 1:10:15.080 get it. And so, of course an adult or somebody 1:10:15.120 --> 1:10:16.240 older would look at that and. 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:17.840 Say, this is a computer, this isn't real. 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:21.240 But think of how many people you know or have 1:10:21.320 --> 1:10:24.320 heard of who've gotten caught in cat fishing scams and 1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:27.560 have given hundreds if not thousands of dollars away to 1:10:27.600 --> 1:10:30.080 people they've never met before because they believe they're in 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:33.920 love with them. So we want connection so desperately in 1:10:34.000 --> 1:10:36.400 a world that is becoming increasingly disconnected. 1:10:36.640 --> 1:10:38.880 It is something else. But again, you've just got to 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:42.200 beware of this. What the solution is, boy, you got me, 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:45.040 that's beyond our scope, I think. And other than having 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:47.960 conversation with someone, now, just don't assume they're doing well 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:51.120 if they're you know, a young person, especially that everything's okay, 1:10:51.120 --> 1:10:52.639 because it may not be, and they may not even 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:53.320 want to open up to you. 1:10:53.400 --> 1:10:54.280 That's the other problem. 1:10:55.479 --> 1:10:57.760 Well, our kids are struggling right now. I mean, the 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:00.200 world is hard for teenagers. And I know that that 1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:03.080 every generation says the world is hard for teenagers, but 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:05.679 it just keeps getting harder and harder, and our kits 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:07.719 are struggling. So I mean, if I were a parent 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:11.519 of a teenager, I would be monitoring their media and 1:11:11.600 --> 1:11:14.599 their computer and their phones like it was my second 1:11:14.680 --> 1:11:17.400 job of because you just never know what's going on 1:11:17.479 --> 1:11:21.520 out there, and it can turn so awful so quickly. 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:21.880 It really does. 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:23.920 All right, all the best Julie hattersh here, she's a 1:11:23.960 --> 1:11:26.240 licensed mental health therapist here in Cincinnati. 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:27.479 She can help. 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:30.479 And if you have a question, maybe common concern or 1:11:30.560 --> 1:11:33.439 topic for a future segment, it's hey Julie at b 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:36.920 Connected dot care. That's a letter, be Connected dot Care Julie. 1:11:36.920 --> 1:11:38.920 We'll talk next Monday. Thanks again, great to catch up. 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:40.799 Yes we will, thank you, byebye. 1:11:40.920 --> 1:11:42.760 News happens in about five minutes on the Big One 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:47.280 seven hundred WLW and making sense of this Ohio property 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:50.360 tax business. Everyone is like okay by private texts are 1:11:50.400 --> 1:11:52.799 going up in some cases thirty some cases two hundred percent. 1:11:53.520 --> 1:11:56.280 The governor has commanded a working group. They've come up 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:58.479 with some solutions for this, but now we are facing 1:11:58.520 --> 1:12:01.000 some roadblocks. Bill Sites is a coach share and of 1:12:01.000 --> 1:12:03.880 course Green Township Republican. He'll join the show next to 1:12:03.960 --> 1:12:05.920 discuss what this is about, what it means for you 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:09.160 and your wallet and your your homestead for that matter, 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:11.559 as we try to get our arms around property taxes 1:12:11.560 --> 1:12:13.599 that are seemingly out of control on the Buckeye State. 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:15.799 That right after news on one of the best Bengals 1:12:15.800 --> 1:12:17.720 coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati. 1:12:18.040 --> 1:12:19.640 You want to be an American? 1:12:21.000 --> 1:12:25.559 Scott's loan back on seven hundred WLW. Governor Mike Dewin's 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:28.600 Property Tax Reform Working Group was tasked with coming up 1:12:28.600 --> 1:12:31.000 with a better system. Let's face it, property taxes in 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:34.160 Ohio have been a mess for a while now. We've 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:37.040 seen taxes rise anywhere between what thirty to two hundred 1:12:37.040 --> 1:12:41.000 percent in some areas, and that worries folks, especially seniors 1:12:41.280 --> 1:12:43.519 on fixed incomes, may lose their people are actually worried 1:12:43.520 --> 1:12:46.160 about losing their homes over it. The same time, we 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:50.280 have to fund schools, police fire ems, all those services. 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:54.400 And by the way, the day after these proposals got released, 1:12:54.960 --> 1:12:58.760 the Ohio Senate voted to override Mike Dewin on this bill. 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:01.280 Sites is the code chair of the working group and 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:05.880 joins the show now on seven hundred WW former Green Township, 1:13:05.960 --> 1:13:09.920 Ohio House Minority Speaker Bill. This was when we talked 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.080 about this, I think a few months ago when you 1:13:12.120 --> 1:13:15.120 were assigned the task of co shairing this working group. 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:17.200 So this this probably could be one of the most 1:13:17.200 --> 1:13:20.599 difficult things we've ever endeavored to do. You laid out 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:24.880 twenty ideas. The Ohio Senate voted to override. Explain, first 1:13:24.920 --> 1:13:27.080 of all, bill, what does that mean and the reasoning 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:30.040 behind it, And is it simply just that you leaned, 1:13:30.120 --> 1:13:32.360 as the working group leaned towards more the House bills 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:34.840 and the House proposals for the fix than the Senate bills, 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:35.960 And is that all this is? 1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:38.320 No? No, no, no, not at all. 1:13:38.520 --> 1:13:38.920 No. 1:13:38.920 --> 1:13:42.679 No. Both the House and the Senate have already passed 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:46.880 a number of things about the governor beachos, and now 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:50.479 the House and Senate are considering overriding the governor on 1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:53.760 some of those beachos. The one that was overridden last week. 1:13:54.400 --> 1:14:03.759 Abolished replacement levy, Levy, we're losing. 1:14:03.680 --> 1:14:05.639 We're losing your cell a little bit there, Bill Will 1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:07.600 can you hear me? Yeah? I got you, hear me, 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:08.000 I got you. 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:12.200 Okay. They abolished emergency, they have bolished substitute. They abolished 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:15.599 replacement levees, and and we didn't have too much problem 1:14:15.600 --> 1:14:20.400 with that, because replacement levees confuse voters. Replace it with 1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:26.280 what substitute levees confused voters substitute for what emergency levees 1:14:26.320 --> 1:14:30.360 have been abused. There's emergency levees that have remained in 1:14:30.400 --> 1:14:34.200 effect for over ten years. That's not an emergency. So 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:37.479 we don't have a problem with that, But we did 1:14:37.520 --> 1:14:42.519 recommend that we redefine emergency levees, allow them to exist 1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:47.080 for no more than five years, limit them to school 1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:49.920 districts that are about to go into fiscal watch or 1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:53.439 fiscal emergency, and Act of God, you know, things like 1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:58.559 floods and tornadoes restricted strictly to that. That's one thing 1:14:58.600 --> 1:15:01.960 we recommended. The The other thing that's the legislature in 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:05.760 their zeal to override the wine on this for God is. 1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:09.439 There is a law that passed in twenty thirteen. I 1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:12.920 was very involved with it that says that we will 1:15:12.960 --> 1:15:16.600 only pay the twelve and a half percent credit on 1:15:16.800 --> 1:15:21.080 your property tax bill for levees that were passed before 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:26.639 twenty thirteen and levees that were renewed after that time. 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:30.920 Of those levees, well, when you abolish these levees, you're 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:33.519 cutting off the right of the folks to get their 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:37.160 twelve and a half percent on those levees that predated 1:15:37.200 --> 1:15:40.360 twenty thirteen. And that results in a ninety six million 1:15:40.400 --> 1:15:45.320 dollars state wide tax, which is not what the legislature 1:15:45.400 --> 1:15:48.000 probably intended. So they're going to have to fix that, 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:50.320 I think down the road. But let me take a 1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:54.280 step back stot because people need to understand something. The 1:15:54.400 --> 1:15:57.439 number one problem here is that real estate values have 1:15:57.600 --> 1:16:01.240 greatly outstripped the general rate of inta. Your wife is 1:16:01.240 --> 1:16:03.559 in real estate. She knows that like the back of 1:16:03.560 --> 1:16:07.040 her hand. And normally that's not much of a problem 1:16:07.120 --> 1:16:11.920 because a nineteen seventy six law says that for most 1:16:12.000 --> 1:16:18.160 voted levees, when a levee passes, in the roll of 1:16:18.160 --> 1:16:22.840 the millage back as values increase, so that the levee 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:25.960 produces no more money in the current year than it 1:16:26.040 --> 1:16:28.839 did in the year in which it was originally passed. 1:16:29.160 --> 1:16:33.040 That's true for most levees, but there are two kinds 1:16:32.640 --> 1:16:37.800 of property tax levees that don't have that feature. One is, 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:42.840 in our constitution, each county gets ten mills of unvoted 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:48.440 millage to divide up among their schools, cities, township, and counties. 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:52.719 That's unvoted millage, and that does go up as property 1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:57.160 values increased. The levee money goes up and lockstep with 1:16:57.360 --> 1:17:02.040 those valuation increases. That's one one problem. The other problem 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:07.920 is schools are when they collect fewer than twenty mils 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:12.080 of taxes for schools, all of those mills under twenty 1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:17.639 mills grow in locksteps with property value increases, and once 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:21.599 you get over twenty mills, none of the mills grow 1:17:21.680 --> 1:17:24.800 with inflation. So schools have an incentive to try to 1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:29.160 stay below that twenty mils. But and when they do again, 1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:34.080 all of that millage grows with increasing property valuations. We 1:17:35.000 --> 1:17:37.200 in the House and the Senate seem to be on 1:17:37.280 --> 1:17:40.439 pretty much the same page about one good idea to 1:17:40.479 --> 1:17:44.519 deal with that. That is to say, when when property 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:48.880 values increase at a rate faster than the general rate 1:17:48.920 --> 1:17:52.280 of inflation, the general rate of inflation will serve as 1:17:52.320 --> 1:17:56.799 a cap on the extent to which those higher property 1:17:56.880 --> 1:17:59.720 values may be reflected in your tax bill, so that 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:03.080 if inflation is five percent and property knights go up 1:18:03.120 --> 1:18:06.640 fifteen percent, they would be captured five per sack. That 1:18:06.800 --> 1:18:09.519 is a bill called House Still one eighty six, and 1:18:09.600 --> 1:18:12.280 we endorsed that in the form in which it existed 1:18:12.600 --> 1:18:16.360 in June. It hasn't passed yet, but just a week 1:18:16.439 --> 1:18:20.240 or two ago they amended it in the House and 1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:24.600 tried to reach back and claw back from the schools 1:18:24.920 --> 1:18:29.480 one point seven billion dollars that the schools had collected 1:18:29.880 --> 1:18:33.519 and spent over the years twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, 1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:37.240 and twenty five, and we haven't taken a position on that, 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:40.920 but obviously that's posed to the grave degree of problem 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:43.719 for the schools. I mean, they lawfully collected the money, 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:47.080 they lawfully spent the money. Why are they being made 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:51.000 to pay this back to the property owners, even though 1:18:51.000 --> 1:18:53.960 the property owners I'm sure would love it. So that 1:18:54.160 --> 1:18:57.280 is the fundamental problem. Now you had on something. 1:18:57.000 --> 1:18:58.120 Else that's very important. 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:02.960 Senior citizens in particular are having a hard time because 1:19:03.000 --> 1:19:06.760 their house is paid for, they've got no kids in 1:19:06.840 --> 1:19:10.719 schools anymore, they're on a fixed income, and they're being 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:14.559 hit with these property tax increases. Well, there's really only 1:19:14.640 --> 1:19:17.439 three things that you can do to help those needy people. 1:19:17.960 --> 1:19:23.479 You can either expand the existing state homestead exemption, which 1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:27.680 allows folks to exempt a part of their valuation from taxes. 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:31.320 Or you can come up with a tax deferral plan, 1:19:31.560 --> 1:19:35.920 which some states do, which says you can defer payment 1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:39.679 of some of those taxes until you die or until 1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:42.479 you sell the home. Okay, that's the second thing you 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:45.360 can do to help those needy people. And then the 1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:47.800 third thing you can do is pass something called a 1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:53.760 circuit breaker, which says that when your property tax exceeds 1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:57.640 a specified percentage of your income, you don't have to 1:19:57.680 --> 1:20:03.400 pay any more than gotcha. Okay, Now, thirty states have 1:20:03.479 --> 1:20:08.040 done a circuit breaker, Ohio has not. In our recommendations, 1:20:08.120 --> 1:20:12.280 we recommended a modest expansion of the home set exemption, 1:20:12.720 --> 1:20:17.800 We recommended initiation of a modest hash deferral program, and 1:20:17.920 --> 1:20:20.679 we also threw in a recommendation that when the state 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:24.400 feels like they can afford it, they should consider a 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:28.000 broader exemption of the homestead or expansion of the home 1:20:28.000 --> 1:20:31.479 seat exemption, and they should consider adoption of a circuit breaker. 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:35.680 The state legislature, my friends and colleagues, and the legislature, 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:38.439 they don't want to spend any state money on solving 1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:42.559 this problem. And their attitude is, Hey, we're paying the 1:20:42.600 --> 1:20:45.679 twelve and a half percent credit on levi's the past 1:20:45.760 --> 1:20:50.080 prior to twenty thirteen and renewals thereof, and we're paying 1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:53.280 for the existing homestead exemption, and we're not getting any 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:55.760 credits for that from the voters, So why should we 1:20:55.800 --> 1:20:57.200 spend more state money on it? 1:20:57.560 --> 1:20:57.880 Well? 1:20:57.920 --> 1:21:02.040 I understand that point, but again, I'm concerned about those 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:05.400 senior citizens and you can say, well, let the county 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:08.240 do it on their dime. Well, the problem is not 1:21:08.320 --> 1:21:11.160 all counties in Ohio have the financial Where would all 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:13.479 do that? Right, That's why it should be done at 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:13.880 the state. 1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:17.240 Okay, he is Bill sits on the show at Marceloni 1:21:17.280 --> 1:21:19.280 on seven hundred W. Well, it a very complicated but 1:21:19.360 --> 1:21:21.920 important issue of property tax reform. He is a co 1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:24.439 chair of the working group test by the governor to 1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:27.320 come up with a plan twenty main recommendations here and 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:29.400 certainly can't get to all twenty and all twenty and 1:21:29.439 --> 1:21:31.200 not all twenty are not out in the weeds. The 1:21:31.240 --> 1:21:33.719 number of these are. And we're talking about the important facets, 1:21:33.720 --> 1:21:36.519 the fact your bottom line. You know you mentioned seniors 1:21:36.520 --> 1:21:39.719 and okay, no seniors, fixed income and people are afraid 1:21:39.720 --> 1:21:41.320 they're going to lose their home that they've raised, their 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:43.280 family and et cetera. But at the same time, it 1:21:43.280 --> 1:21:45.120 feels like a lot of this comes at the expense 1:21:45.160 --> 1:21:47.600 of young people with kids. We hear about seniors and 1:21:47.600 --> 1:21:50.040 fixed incomes. We never hear about young people going, Hey, 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:52.800 what about some a couple that has to work two 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:55.840 jobs or more three or four jobs between the two 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:59.479 of them, and daycare costs, and you know, we look 1:21:59.479 --> 1:22:02.920 around the count and to wonder why we're not replacing 1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:05.160 old with young. You know, young people are not having 1:22:05.200 --> 1:22:08.599 families and having kids anymore larger because they can't afford them. 1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:10.840 Doesn't this further exacerbate that. 1:22:10.920 --> 1:22:13.760 I understand the need that seniors have, but often in 1:22:13.840 --> 1:22:17.040 politics we don't talk about younger families, which we really 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:20.720 need to drive the economic engine and also support us 1:22:20.720 --> 1:22:23.639 an old age. If fewer people are having kids, that's 1:22:23.720 --> 1:22:25.280 bad for seniors overall. 1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:26.720 Yeah. 1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:28.760 Well, you know, you make a very good point, but 1:22:28.880 --> 1:22:31.920 every time you try to expand the pool of people 1:22:31.920 --> 1:22:36.120 who should be getting a property tax relief, you're dramatically 1:22:36.160 --> 1:22:39.280 increasing the cost. And those younger people do have the 1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:40.559 ability still to work. 1:22:40.640 --> 1:22:44.480 That's a problem with subsidy, right, Okay. 1:22:44.360 --> 1:22:48.960 I mean, you know, obviously, property taxes have been around 1:22:48.960 --> 1:22:52.200 in Ohio since the eighteen thirties. They account for twenty 1:22:52.200 --> 1:22:55.240 three point nine billion dollars a year. All of that 1:22:55.280 --> 1:22:59.240 goes to local government services only the state gets zero 1:22:59.520 --> 1:23:03.960 from proper pretty taxes. And to abolish property taxes as 1:23:04.040 --> 1:23:06.439 there is a move of flip to do to a 1:23:07.160 --> 1:23:11.280 still advised constitutional amendment to abolish them would mean we 1:23:11.280 --> 1:23:14.599 would need a ten point two percent statewide flat income 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:18.280 tax if we wanted to replace property tax with income tax, 1:23:19.040 --> 1:23:22.920 or a or a statewide sales tax rate of about 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:26.759 twenty percent, which is neither of those are remotely feasible. 1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:30.160 And so people need to consider before you jump on 1:23:30.240 --> 1:23:32.320 the bandwagon and say I don't want to pay any 1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:33.320 more property taxes. 1:23:33.439 --> 1:23:35.000 Right, well, either. 1:23:34.800 --> 1:23:37.120 You're going to put every local government out of business, 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:39.439 which is not a good idea. Of your school's out 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:42.280 of business, or you're going to have to have some 1:23:42.400 --> 1:23:46.920 replacement source of revenue that is probably worse than the 1:23:47.000 --> 1:23:49.719 property tax that you're paying now. I mean, a twenty 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:53.880 percent statewide sales tax would kill the economy in Hamilton County. 1:23:54.120 --> 1:23:56.799 Everybody would drive over the river to Kentucky to buy. 1:23:56.600 --> 1:23:58.960 Everything, pretty obsolate. Absolutely. 1:23:59.120 --> 1:24:01.599 I will also point out that there's other district I know, 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:04.160 Kings and many others are moving towards just going hey, 1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:06.599 you know what, we're just gonna We're going to propose 1:24:06.680 --> 1:24:09.000 a one percent or whatever the percentage is, let's. 1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:12.360 Say, uh, income tax, uh. And you know that. 1:24:12.400 --> 1:24:14.920 Absolves people who aren't working. Us retirees are close to 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:18.240 retirement from paying that sharing that burden. So, and you know, 1:24:18.320 --> 1:24:19.840 in lieu of this too, one of the things they're 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:22.320 looking at is just saying, okay, well, property taxes are 1:24:22.320 --> 1:24:24.200 a mess. Why don't we just get our money from 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:25.280 income taxes? 1:24:26.080 --> 1:24:28.600 Well, schools, you know, and schools have the ability to 1:24:28.640 --> 1:24:32.680 place before their voters and income tax. That's that's been 1:24:32.720 --> 1:24:34.679 around for a number of years now, and a number 1:24:34.680 --> 1:24:37.360 of school disticts have done it. Perhaps that is a 1:24:37.600 --> 1:24:41.519 somewhat viable for schools, But township they have no ability 1:24:41.560 --> 1:24:44.479 to do income tax. Libraries have no ability to do that. 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:47.519 The zoo is no ability to do that. Your mental 1:24:47.520 --> 1:24:52.960 health and developmental disability services don't, Your senior citizen services don't. 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:56.400 So the income tax for schools is a partial solution 1:24:56.880 --> 1:24:59.840 and one that might be looked at because remember, we 1:24:59.880 --> 1:25:03.719 have reduced the state income tax over the last twenty 1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:07.400 five years from north of seven percent down to the 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:11.040 current level of two point seven five percent. We have 1:25:11.120 --> 1:25:14.080 the lowest state income tax rate of any of our 1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:17.240 sister states here in the Midwest, and so because state 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:21.240 income taxes have gone down, maybe maybe the voters in 1:25:21.280 --> 1:25:25.640 these school districts might buy it's propitious to have a 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:32.040 local income tax. Personally, I think income taxes are worse 1:25:32.080 --> 1:25:36.280 than property taxes. But that's just me, okay, you know, 1:25:36.400 --> 1:25:41.160 and we have to consider that it's not a complete 1:25:41.160 --> 1:25:44.720 solution for the reasons I just gave. So many jurisdictions 1:25:44.720 --> 1:25:49.240 dependent on property tax cannot do an income tax. In fact, 1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:52.960 they don't want to. We are doing township no interest 1:25:53.000 --> 1:25:55.280 in doing an income tax. When I was on that 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:57.480 board for seven years in the nineties. 1:25:57.439 --> 1:25:59.960 Both sites on one file question here on the budget 1:26:00.160 --> 1:26:03.519 commission powers, we talked about the budget Commission come in 1:26:03.560 --> 1:26:07.160 and that they balance committee. They have the authority to 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:11.160 reduce what are you calling unnecessary or excessive levees with 1:26:11.320 --> 1:26:14.840 respecting voter intent. But these are the local We talk 1:26:14.880 --> 1:26:17.759 about local control all the time. This is the ultra locals. 1:26:17.760 --> 1:26:21.240 The definition of local control is that voters approve these levees, 1:26:21.280 --> 1:26:24.360 specifically because they trusted the taxing entity's assessment of need. 1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:26.120 How do you balance that with what's happening here? 1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:30.599 Well, what we've done, okay. The legislation that the General 1:26:30.600 --> 1:26:34.479 Assembly passed said that the Budget Commission, consisting of the 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:38.080 County Treasurer, the County Auditor and the county prosecutor can 1:26:38.200 --> 1:26:41.320 reduce the millage of any levee that they find to 1:26:41.360 --> 1:26:46.000 be unnecessary or accessive. They never defined unnecessary, they never 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:49.120 defined accessive. That means you could have eighty eight different 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:52.759 standards across the eighty eight different counties. They also said 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:56.800 they also failed to say that the Commission has to 1:26:56.880 --> 1:26:59.519 keep hands off at least for a period of time 1:26:59.600 --> 1:27:02.439 after that levy is passed by the voters, because to 1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:05.360 do otherwise is basically to flap the voters right in 1:27:05.400 --> 1:27:07.840 the face saying you were too stupid to vote for 1:27:08.000 --> 1:27:10.360 We're going to undo what you just voted for. And 1:27:10.439 --> 1:27:13.320 so what we did on our task force is we 1:27:13.400 --> 1:27:17.280 came up with a good type definition of unnecessary and 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:21.720 a good type definition of excessive in both cases provided 1:27:21.760 --> 1:27:26.320 by our County Auditors Association statewide, and we said the 1:27:26.479 --> 1:27:31.679 Budget Commission cannot reduce levies for the first five years 1:27:31.720 --> 1:27:35.519 after they initially passed, or for the first two years 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:37.960 in the case of a renewal. And so there'll be 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:40.680 that pulling off period, because how wealth are you going 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:44.880 to know whether it's excessive or unnecessary until it plays out, 1:27:45.120 --> 1:27:48.960 see what I'm saying. So we're trying to Again, this 1:27:49.080 --> 1:27:52.040 is an example scot of where we're trying to refine 1:27:52.640 --> 1:27:55.360 what the legislature has done. We're not trying to say 1:27:55.840 --> 1:27:59.120 forget it, don't do it. We're simply saying there's going 1:27:59.200 --> 1:28:01.560 to be a few bells and whistles, a few guardrails 1:28:01.880 --> 1:28:05.840 around these new and expanded powers of three county wide 1:28:05.840 --> 1:28:10.599 officials to exercise control over school levees and township levees 1:28:10.640 --> 1:28:12.920 and park levees that they have nothing to do with. 1:28:13.200 --> 1:28:16.240 So you know, we're just trying to balance that against 1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:18.519 the will of the voters, is what we're trying. 1:28:18.600 --> 1:28:21.760 Well that that is indeed the billion dollar question, because 1:28:21.760 --> 1:28:23.599 I mean, listen, this is going man. There's a lot 1:28:23.640 --> 1:28:26.240 of moving parts of bill. Sites laid out and eloquently 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:28.840 of course, as always too, but lots we don't understand. 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:32.920 And I'm hoping that gets sorted out during a debate 1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:34.719 on both sides of this in the Senate of the House, 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:36.280 and the Governor's going to have a say in this 1:28:36.280 --> 1:28:39.200 thing too. So what is the timeline before this shakes out? 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.960 Well, I know the House and Senate our team to 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:46.760 do something definitive before the end of the year. There 1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:50.439 is nothing that can be done that would provide any 1:28:51.080 --> 1:28:55.360 relief prior to the second half twenty twenty six property 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:58.280 tax bills. That's just a matter of timing. You can't 1:28:58.320 --> 1:29:02.320 do anything. My focus would be how do we fix 1:29:02.400 --> 1:29:06.639 the system going forward rather than trying to recreate history 1:29:06.840 --> 1:29:10.200 by going backwards. And so, you know, I mean, is 1:29:10.240 --> 1:29:13.879 this a problem, yes, and we should fix it going forward, 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:18.200 And that was what our group recommended. Mostly of our recommendations. 1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:22.439 We had a great group. It was a county auditors, 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:26.320 it was school superintendents, it was county commissioners, county treasurer. 1:29:27.000 --> 1:29:30.880 You know, we had the mayor, we had a mayor 1:29:30.880 --> 1:29:33.519 in there, a couple of business people in there. So 1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:35.839 it was a good balanced group of people that actually 1:29:35.840 --> 1:29:39.280 are in charge of implementing the whole property tax system. 1:29:39.600 --> 1:29:43.120 And so their expertise really was great and guided us 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:47.000 very very strongly in the work we did. We met 1:29:47.080 --> 1:29:50.760 every week for two months, every Thursday, for at least 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:54.840 two hours at a time, and heard from a lot 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:58.160 of folks that got a lot of written testimony, a 1:29:58.200 --> 1:30:01.200 lot of oral testimony, and at our best way through 1:30:01.200 --> 1:30:04.639 it on that very short timeline that Mike DeWine gave us. 1:30:04.640 --> 1:30:07.559 He gave us till September thirty. 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:10.400 Yeah, you too, right, and turn that in. 1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:13.760 What's going to happen now is the great debate will 1:30:13.800 --> 1:30:16.519 continue here in pieces of this and we'll get debated 1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:18.720 and I'm sure we'll discuss this in the future too. 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:21.400 But yeah, it's been an interesting few months for you, 1:30:21.640 --> 1:30:24.000 I know, co chairing this group. Anyway, he's built sites 1:30:24.040 --> 1:30:25.960 of Green Township. Thanks again for coming on the show, 1:30:26.000 --> 1:30:26.599 appreciate it. 1:30:27.280 --> 1:30:30.080 Happy to be with you better. 1:30:30.800 --> 1:30:33.200 I'm working on that. You work on the property text 1:30:33.200 --> 1:30:33.479 how's that? 1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:33.960 Yeah? 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:34.639 There you go? 1:30:34.760 --> 1:30:36.559 Alright, I got a feel in my foot. It's going 1:30:36.600 --> 1:30:38.720 to be better before we figure out property texts. That's 1:30:38.760 --> 1:30:41.200 your damn sure. Anyway, let's get a news update in. 1:30:41.320 --> 1:30:44.479 Did that confuse you? Probably did. It's a lot going 1:30:44.520 --> 1:30:47.560 on there and a lot of millages and uh clawbacks 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:51.759 and levy structure changes and words like unnecessary and excessive. 1:30:52.040 --> 1:30:54.240 Kind of makes your head swim. But the good news 1:30:54.320 --> 1:30:57.000 is this will get the parceled out in pieces and 1:30:57.000 --> 1:30:58.880 will debate each way, each element of this at some 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:01.759 point to figure out why property taxes are so screwed 1:31:01.840 --> 1:31:04.160 up and how we can get some sanity back to 1:31:04.240 --> 1:31:07.040 what we pay Scott's loan show seven hundred WW. 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:09.600 All right, Homestretch, are slow to here? Seven hundred WLW. 1:31:09.800 --> 1:31:12.799 Headed into the lunch hour of mid afternoon, be chopping 1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:14.840 it up with your boys or perhaps your girls are 1:31:14.840 --> 1:31:19.719 both Regarding yesterday's debacle at pay Court Stadium, Detroit comes 1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:22.040 in thirty seven to twenty four to the final, and 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:24.600 that score in history will look a lot closer. 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:27.160 Than it really was. Bengals now on a three game 1:31:27.200 --> 1:31:30.200 heater in the wrong way. They dropped to two and three, 1:31:30.520 --> 1:31:33.360 and they traveled to Green Bay next. It's gonna get you. 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:36.439 Thought Detroit was bad, You're going to Green Bay? How's 1:31:36.439 --> 1:31:39.639 that gonna work out? He's James Rapine, Sports Illustrated, Bengals 1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:42.320 Talk dot Com and of course locked on Bengals joining 1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:43.360 the show every Monday morning. 1:31:43.360 --> 1:31:45.240 It's good to have the band back together. James, How 1:31:45.280 --> 1:31:45.679 you been. 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:48.719 Better than Jake Browning? 1:31:48.720 --> 1:31:49.280 How have you done? 1:31:49.560 --> 1:31:49.920 Wolf? 1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:54.679 Twenty six of forty two hundred and fifty one yards, 1:31:55.200 --> 1:31:59.400 three touchdowns, three picks for a quarterback rating of are 1:31:59.400 --> 1:32:03.200 you sitting down seventy six point five at the last check? 1:32:03.400 --> 1:32:06.080 That is eight interceptions that might count this season. 1:32:07.560 --> 1:32:11.400 Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's bad. And those numbers don't 1:32:11.439 --> 1:32:14.599 do it justice, it really don't. I mean, he those 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:18.280 were juiced up numbers that looked really passable outside of 1:32:18.280 --> 1:32:21.439 the interception, and it was kind of the other way. 1:32:21.520 --> 1:32:23.400 It's for the first three quarters of this game. It 1:32:23.479 --> 1:32:28.920 was unwatchable, not passable, not average, unwatchable, and he was 1:32:29.080 --> 1:32:31.680 awful and no one knows it more than him. And 1:32:31.720 --> 1:32:35.479 so I'll give Jake credit there, but that doesn't really matter. 1:32:35.920 --> 1:32:42.160 It's wins lost his performance based and that felt really 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:47.560 like the pre Joe Burrow Bengals when they were embracing 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:50.680 the tank for Joe Burrow and that's not where this 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:53.000 team is supposed to be. So yeah, it was really 1:32:53.040 --> 1:32:54.760 really poor play from Jake Brown. 1:32:55.080 --> 1:32:57.760 And we'll get to that with the defensive play. But 1:32:57.960 --> 1:33:00.240 it's still at halftime. They you know, hit that field goal, well, 1:33:00.720 --> 1:33:03.800 fourteenth three, it's still doable. You look at it going up. 1:33:03.840 --> 1:33:08.280 They're not out of this, sure they weren't. They weren't. 1:33:08.320 --> 1:33:10.080 And then Jake rough it through an interception on the 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:13.639 second play from scrimmage in the second half. I mean, 1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:17.479 you're right, though, like they a lot of what they 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:20.120 set out to do. The game kind of played out 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:22.680 that way. They didn't get gashed on the ground by 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:25.360 this Lions offense that could really run the ball. They 1:33:25.360 --> 1:33:28.040 gave up some plays, of course, but you're going to 1:33:28.080 --> 1:33:30.840 against the Lions, but it wasn't so bad that you 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:34.439 couldn't hang with them if you were rolling out a 1:33:34.439 --> 1:33:38.200 competent offense and they just weren't. And I don't think 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:40.160 it's all on Jake. I think a lot of it is. 1:33:40.200 --> 1:33:42.320 I do think that Zach Taylor's right, there's plenty that 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:45.559 should fall on him as well. But this offense is 1:33:45.640 --> 1:33:48.920 just costing this team games right now because they're not 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:51.280 They finally scored in the fourth quarter, so we can't 1:33:51.320 --> 1:33:55.320 say they're not scoring. But my goodness, nineteen drives without 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:59.920 a touchdown, eleven quarters and sixteen points before that fourth quarter. 1:34:00.520 --> 1:34:01.720 It's just unacceptable. 1:34:03.200 --> 1:34:05.600 Jake Browning said, I didn't play well. I need to 1:34:05.600 --> 1:34:08.120 play better. Is there time for him to play? But 1:34:08.240 --> 1:34:10.360 can he play better? I mean, this seems like this 1:34:10.520 --> 1:34:11.679 is peak Jake Browning. 1:34:13.680 --> 1:34:17.639 They shouldn't he shouldn't get the opportunity to play better 1:34:17.640 --> 1:34:19.840 because they should have added a quarterback a few weeks ago. 1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:22.280 Like night bead everywhere, and people kind of rolled their 1:34:22.280 --> 1:34:25.040 eyes like here we go, James, Like, yeah, of course 1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:27.120 I do, because I knew that this was a possibility. 1:34:28.000 --> 1:34:30.040 You don't know how Jake's gonna play because he was 1:34:30.080 --> 1:34:32.559 good a few years ago, and by good, I say 1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:34.680 that close because he was passed the ball a few 1:34:34.760 --> 1:34:38.320 years ago and he's been downright bad. And you don't 1:34:38.360 --> 1:34:42.240 have another option. You didn't give yourself that that type 1:34:42.280 --> 1:34:46.439 of put yourself in that type of situation. And so now, yeah, 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:48.160 it is going to be Jake, and he is going 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:50.120 to start a game screen Bay and I'd be shocked 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:54.240 if anything else changed in that in that department as 1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:57.560 far as this week. But the Bangles still need to 1:34:57.560 --> 1:35:02.360 give themselves another option just to to provide watchable football 1:35:02.479 --> 1:35:06.360 if nothing else, because yesterday was unwatchable for three quarters. 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:11.599 And had they gotten just competent quarterback play, well, who knows, 1:35:11.640 --> 1:35:13.960 maybe they give the Lions all they can handle at home. 1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:17.400 Right they're two and three. 1:35:17.400 --> 1:35:20.360 Okay, but you know, hindsight is always twenty twenty. I 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:22.960 said last week, like I'm not buying, Hey, we'll go 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:25.599 get Russ Wilson, We'll get Jameis Winston. We'll get kirk 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:29.679 Cousins and fix this. Last week the defense was equally 1:35:29.720 --> 1:35:33.800 as bad. This past weekend, the defense looked passable. They 1:35:33.800 --> 1:35:36.600 looked a lot better. They're getting some they're getting the 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:42.200 edge rush going, their pass rush. Their defense overall pretty good. Now, 1:35:42.240 --> 1:35:44.439 maybe that tune has changed somewhat. I think that's fair. 1:35:44.840 --> 1:35:46.680 You look like a savon for saying this, But I 1:35:46.720 --> 1:35:49.400 was going to Okay, So last week you get Russ Wilson, 1:35:49.800 --> 1:35:51.439 let's say, and you give up a lot of draft 1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:53.800 capital for him. Great, So now you'll lose by two 1:35:53.840 --> 1:35:57.680 touchdowns instead of eight. You still lose. Why give that up? 1:35:57.720 --> 1:35:59.360 But if the defense is going to show up to 1:35:59.400 --> 1:36:02.600 the party, maybe that's a winnable game. Maybe you have 1:36:02.720 --> 1:36:06.639 something there. But based on the quarterbacks available, kirk Cousins 1:36:06.680 --> 1:36:09.560 may be the best one there. But who knows what 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:11.599 they're going to want for him, that's the other question. 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:16.040 Sure, and so a couple of things. One, the Bengals 1:36:16.040 --> 1:36:20.080 would not trade for kirk Cousins, and it's because of 1:36:20.120 --> 1:36:22.760 his contract. His contract is just brutal. I mean, you 1:36:22.920 --> 1:36:25.120 do ten million dollars on the third day of the 1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:27.479 new league year. Next year, it's just too much money. 1:36:27.680 --> 1:36:30.840 And this isn't me defending the Bengals. 1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:32.040 And how they too much money. 1:36:32.040 --> 1:36:34.960 You go to no team should trade for Kirk contin 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:38.160 They just shouldn't. Yeah, but Russell Wilson for a six 1:36:39.680 --> 1:36:42.320 sixth Brown picks. The reason why I was saying it 1:36:42.560 --> 1:36:47.439 last week wasn't for a game at home against the 1:36:47.479 --> 1:36:49.680 Lions or even this week against Green Bay, but it 1:36:49.720 --> 1:36:53.320 was for that that division game against Pittsburgh on a 1:36:53.360 --> 1:36:56.720 short week where you do have to win that game. 1:36:56.760 --> 1:37:01.160 Regardless the Green Bay game from the standing stand point matters, 1:37:01.400 --> 1:37:05.160 but it's an NFC opponent. It's not a huge deal 1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:07.040 when it comes to winning and moving. You have to 1:37:07.040 --> 1:37:08.680 be Pittsburgh if you want to hang in it. Yeah, 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:11.760 And so that's what that would have set you up for. 1:37:11.840 --> 1:37:15.400 And now you have, as we sit here, two games 1:37:15.439 --> 1:37:19.400 in ten days from now, and you're gonna have to 1:37:19.400 --> 1:37:21.519 get that second game, and it's just it's gonna be tough. 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:23.760 I'm not saying Jake can't do it. I'm not saying 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:26.880 that he can't play well, or is that can't coach 1:37:26.920 --> 1:37:29.320 better and put him in a better position, But my goodness, 1:37:29.320 --> 1:37:31.320 does it feel like it. You know it would be 1:37:31.400 --> 1:37:33.320 much better if they had a better option. I'm not 1:37:33.360 --> 1:37:35.720 saying mortgage in the future, by the way, Scott, but 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:39.200 just give up a little something to give a little 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:40.880 something so you have another option. 1:37:40.840 --> 1:37:41.160 All right. 1:37:41.200 --> 1:37:43.719 So he played what three games a cup of coffee 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:46.439 I think, and against the Church. But the in the 1:37:46.560 --> 1:37:48.760 sample size we have, he's souls thrown. I'm looking at 1:37:48.760 --> 1:37:51.799 it right now. Three interceptions the regular season, three tuddies, 1:37:51.800 --> 1:37:54.719 three interceptions. What does he get you that, Jake Browning 1:37:54.800 --> 1:37:55.320 isn't getting you? 1:37:57.080 --> 1:38:02.479 Well, he to me, would gets you, would move the ball. 1:38:02.680 --> 1:38:06.960 I mean, Jake Browning, Well put it like this, Jake Browning. 1:38:07.240 --> 1:38:10.120 In the Bengals they scored a touchdown against the Vikings 1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:14.000 and garbage sean it was to Drew sample and then 1:38:14.080 --> 1:38:17.280 yesterday their touchdowns game in garbage time. All of the 1:38:17.320 --> 1:38:19.799 touchdowns that they've scored so far in the Jake Browning 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:21.320 era have come when the. 1:38:21.240 --> 1:38:23.000 Game is already over fourth quarter, and. 1:38:24.520 --> 1:38:27.800 In that yeah, I mean it's the Vikings game was 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:31.960 over in the first half, and the game yesterday was 1:38:32.000 --> 1:38:35.320 over really by that first drive of the second half 1:38:35.360 --> 1:38:37.679 when Browning throes that interception in the lines, go score. 1:38:37.800 --> 1:38:40.639 So I just won I think he's better. He's certainly 1:38:40.720 --> 1:38:42.640 more physically. Get that. I'm not here to tell you, 1:38:42.760 --> 1:38:47.240 Russell Wilson is it's twenty fifteen, Russell Wilson. But I 1:38:47.280 --> 1:38:49.120 think any of these guys that you name from a 1:38:49.120 --> 1:38:55.080 football standpoint, Kirk Cousins, I think Jameis Winston would be someone. 1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:58.360 Russell Wilson. Who knows that Andy Dalton available in Carolina? 1:38:58.439 --> 1:39:00.720 I don't know, Probably not, but I I wouldn't be 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:06.400 against going down that path there. They just put themselves 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:09.760 in this corner. And the downside is, had they done 1:39:09.800 --> 1:39:11.559 it a few weeks ago, maybe they get it for. 1:39:11.520 --> 1:39:12.160 A little less. 1:39:12.240 --> 1:39:14.960 Right now, the league knows that they could use a 1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:18.040 quarterback and desperately need one, and so maybe that asking 1:39:18.120 --> 1:39:18.960 price did go up. 1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:21.880 Possibly Let's Go would cost more than a sixth rider. 1:39:24.320 --> 1:39:27.800 I don't know, if you're the Giant, do you want 1:39:27.840 --> 1:39:30.040 to keep Russell Wilson around, or you're okay giving up 1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:32.080 a you know, I mean you're one and four, yeah, 1:39:32.920 --> 1:39:34.920 you know, Jameis Winston and Russell will I think they 1:39:35.000 --> 1:39:36.400 give up one of those guys that they knew they 1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:38.960 could get a sixth round pick or a conditional fifth 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:39.760 or something like that. 1:39:40.000 --> 1:39:42.519 Okay, James repene on that though too. How much of 1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:42.960 this is all? 1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:43.120 Right? 1:39:43.240 --> 1:39:45.479 Jake Browning is terrible, but it's not like the O 1:39:45.640 --> 1:39:47.320 line is going to light it up for Russell Wilson 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:48.080 all of a sudden either. 1:39:49.080 --> 1:39:49.240 No. 1:39:49.240 --> 1:39:52.400 No, they're a flaw football team, horrible, and so how 1:39:53.280 --> 1:39:56.920 how can you how can you alleviate some of these flaws? 1:39:56.960 --> 1:39:58.600 Like if there was a guard out there that I 1:39:58.640 --> 1:40:01.120 thought would come in and just be an awesome guard 1:40:01.200 --> 1:40:04.120 or an offensive tackle or center like any of it. 1:40:04.439 --> 1:40:07.240 I just I don't really see it out there, and 1:40:07.280 --> 1:40:11.080 I don't know who could be available, because teams loved 1:40:11.400 --> 1:40:16.200 having offensive line debts for obvious reasons and aren't aren't 1:40:16.240 --> 1:40:18.160 necessarily willing to move them this time of year. No, 1:40:18.200 --> 1:40:22.080 it's it's tough because you're right, it's not just Jake, 1:40:22.680 --> 1:40:26.040 it's not just Zach, and it's not just the offensive line. 1:40:26.520 --> 1:40:28.679 But when you mix all those together, it has been 1:40:29.120 --> 1:40:29.559 really bad. 1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:29.760 Now. 1:40:29.760 --> 1:40:31.919 I think the offensive line was a bit better yesterday. 1:40:31.960 --> 1:40:34.160 There were still still some plays Orlando Brown Junior on 1:40:34.200 --> 1:40:37.880 the police clicker, that play gets blown up, But I 1:40:37.920 --> 1:40:41.680 do think that overall, they gave Jake a chance for 1:40:41.720 --> 1:40:44.400 the better part of last week in Denver and then 1:40:44.439 --> 1:40:47.840 certainly yesterday, and he just made some some really really 1:40:47.920 --> 1:40:48.680 poor decisions. 1:40:48.760 --> 1:40:52.719 Yeah, and watching just you know, Chase Orlando broncamp move MEM's. 1:40:53.000 --> 1:40:54.439 Have you got a couple of rookies in there playing 1:40:54.479 --> 1:40:56.040 like rookies, and you know, the run game has been 1:40:56.080 --> 1:40:59.120 a mess simply because you know, Chase Brown is struggling. 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:01.360 How much is that Chase Brown and how much of 1:41:01.439 --> 1:41:02.799 that has to do with what we're talking about. 1:41:02.640 --> 1:41:09.040 Here, It's an interesting question. I still think that it 1:41:09.080 --> 1:41:11.280 has more to do with the offensive line, slash run 1:41:11.320 --> 1:41:15.400 game and scheme than it does Chase Brown. But I 1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:18.120 did it, I did all the frustration that comes with it. 1:41:18.200 --> 1:41:20.519 I don't think the Bengals went into yesterday thinking they 1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:23.360 were going to run the ball like crazy. Are a 1:41:23.520 --> 1:41:27.760 good friend and former Bengal DJ Readers on the other side, 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:30.400 and he's really good against the run, and that defensive 1:41:30.479 --> 1:41:33.080 front for the Lions is good. So I think the 1:41:33.080 --> 1:41:35.639 Bengals thought that they would have to throw it early 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:37.800 and often to win yesterday, and I think that was 1:41:38.120 --> 1:41:41.599 their mindset going into the game. And while they threw it, 1:41:41.840 --> 1:41:44.000 they just threw it too many times to the other team. 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:46.040 Yeah, the one thing we don't talk about a lot 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:48.120 is and we talk about ownership, and we talk about 1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:50.240 Duke Tobin and they're inability to go get guys in 1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:52.720 the off season, just kind of standing Pat, hey, we'll 1:41:52.800 --> 1:41:53.360 let it ride. 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:54.960 And it doesn't work that way in the NFL. 1:41:55.080 --> 1:41:58.200 You have to continually sharpen that edge otherwise you're going 1:41:58.240 --> 1:42:00.439 to fall behind quickly. As we saw the season. Cost 1:42:00.560 --> 1:42:03.479 is QB one for well, let's call it the entire season. 1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:06.679 This season is not going to be salvaged. No one's 1:42:06.720 --> 1:42:08.600 going to come riding in on their white horse, be 1:42:08.680 --> 1:42:12.000 it Russ Wilson, a miraculous cure for Joe Burrow or whatever, 1:42:12.200 --> 1:42:15.000 Jake Browning all of a sudden figuring out how not 1:42:15.040 --> 1:42:17.280 to throw an interception. How much of this is on 1:42:17.439 --> 1:42:20.840 Zach Taylor. Other organizations I would feel probably at this 1:42:20.880 --> 1:42:23.400 point would have moved on from Zach Taylor. Not here 1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:24.160 in Cincinnati. 1:42:25.640 --> 1:42:29.280 Well, let's use Zach Taylor's words. He to put this 1:42:29.400 --> 1:42:31.080 on me, and I do think a lot of it's 1:42:31.120 --> 1:42:34.599 on him, because hell yeah it is in the first half. 1:42:34.640 --> 1:42:36.080 I'm just going to look in the first half, when 1:42:36.080 --> 1:42:41.920 the game's hanging in the ballance, how many like easy, obvious, 1:42:42.240 --> 1:42:46.000 clear throws did Jake miss? And then how many was 1:42:46.000 --> 1:42:48.679 he given? And I think it's a mixture of both. 1:42:49.200 --> 1:42:51.639 But when you're the offensive play caller and you score 1:42:52.920 --> 1:42:56.959 zero touchdowns in nineteen straight drives, when you score sixteen 1:42:57.040 --> 1:43:00.240 points and eleven quarters of the Jake Browning era arted 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:03.320 by Zach Taylor's here a big reason why, just to 1:43:03.320 --> 1:43:07.600 maximize the offense. And I've watched other backup quarterbacks have 1:43:07.840 --> 1:43:11.120 far more success than Jake Browning, and that's up to 1:43:11.240 --> 1:43:14.479 Zach Taylor to give him some easy buttons and some 1:43:14.560 --> 1:43:18.760 easy throws and some easy options on a team, and 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:20.680 then on an offense, it's not like they're thrown to 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:23.680 you and me like they have real weapons, and so 1:43:23.800 --> 1:43:25.679 you should be able to take advantage of those weapons, 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:28.600 even with the offensive line, even with Jake Brunning a quarterback. 1:43:29.080 --> 1:43:32.880 And so, yeah, Zach Taylor, I think his seat is 1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:36.000 getting hotter by the day. I don't necessarily think that 1:43:36.160 --> 1:43:39.439 a change would come mid season or anything like that, 1:43:39.560 --> 1:43:42.559 because I don't know if they would ever seem that 1:43:42.680 --> 1:43:47.040 as something that's actually going to help them moving forward. 1:43:47.280 --> 1:43:50.560 But I do think that he's going to have to 1:43:50.920 --> 1:43:53.760 rally this team and win some games here, and they 1:43:53.760 --> 1:43:57.920 can't just go, you know, four and thirteen in him 1:43:58.000 --> 1:44:00.080 expect to be back next year. I don't think that 1:44:00.080 --> 1:44:01.960 that's a realistic expect And that's. 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:03.680 That, and I will all that on a positive I 1:44:03.720 --> 1:44:05.759 thought Jamar Chase had a pretty good game all aside, 1:44:05.800 --> 1:44:07.519 you know, with six of one hundred and ten yards 1:44:07.520 --> 1:44:08.200 two touchdowns. 1:44:08.240 --> 1:44:10.200 And by the way, I will point out, I believe. 1:44:10.040 --> 1:44:12.080 Correct me if I'm wrong, James wasn't he three for 1:44:12.200 --> 1:44:14.960 three on tackles on all three j Jake brown Nicks, 1:44:15.160 --> 1:44:18.559 He's the guy who brought the guy who intercepted it down, 1:44:18.640 --> 1:44:20.080 so he was good on defense too. 1:44:21.080 --> 1:44:25.680 He's they're probably their second best corner behind act In, 1:44:25.800 --> 1:44:29.280 their best receiver, uh In, the best receiver in the NFL. 1:44:29.360 --> 1:44:34.000 No, I mean, maybe he can coach up Cam Taylor Britt. 1:44:34.840 --> 1:44:38.160 What that's what sucks is that's how great Jamar is. 1:44:38.840 --> 1:44:40.559 And and there are gonna be a lot of people 1:44:40.640 --> 1:44:43.720 that hear this, Scott say will just tank and it's 1:44:43.720 --> 1:44:46.040 like it's hard to look twenty five year old Jamar Chase, 1:44:46.200 --> 1:44:48.320 who's the best on the planet at what he does, 1:44:48.600 --> 1:44:51.479 and say, hey, let's hang. Do you know that's really 1:44:51.479 --> 1:44:53.360 really tough to do because it's only week six. 1:44:53.479 --> 1:44:53.679 Yep. 1:44:54.160 --> 1:44:58.000 He's James Rapine. We'll talk after the Green Bay game. 1:44:58.520 --> 1:45:01.639 You thought Detroit was bad, You're on the road at Lambeau. 1:45:01.720 --> 1:45:04.040 Let's see how that works out. Three game losing streak 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:06.559 for the Bengals. He's James Orpeen Sports Illustrated, Bengals Talk 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:09.240 dot Com. Of course Lockdown Bengals. Always appreciate the chats 1:45:09.280 --> 1:45:12.680 on Monday. Thanks again, Thanks God, appreciate Take care. How 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:15.920 are you feeling about your Bengals now? How many days 1:45:15.920 --> 1:45:19.800 the opening day? That ain't good? That ain't good? Scott 1:45:19.880 --> 1:45:22.400 Sloane Willie on the way right after news. 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