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Speaker 3: Welcome back out on a three from football Feast pault

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Speaker 3: Archie with you pa off today. Vikings bye week, Nordo

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Speaker 3: as well. We hope they are recharging getting ready for

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Speaker 3: a two thirds left of the season. So it's still

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Speaker 3: a long way to go in the Viking season and

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Speaker 3: a healthy debate that you're gonna hear a lot about

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Speaker 3: the station already have and you're going to continue for

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Speaker 3: the next ten days on what the Vikings should be

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Speaker 3: doing at the quarterback position. Brett, let me let me

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Speaker 3: start here. We don't know who the starter will be

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Speaker 3: against Philadelphia for the Vikings next game, we presume, and

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Speaker 3: we don't know really a current update and we won't

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Speaker 3: until probably Wednesday or so maybe Tuesday on where JJ

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Speaker 3: McCarthy is in the rehabilitation and for his high ankle spring.

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Speaker 3: I think it's safe to say, Brett, this is going

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Speaker 3: to be a KFA and talker for the next week.

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Speaker 2: Trust me, it has been for It's been holding our

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Speaker 2: water for a while now. So yeah, there's plenty of opinions.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I've seen on the text line and

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Speaker 2: But there is a strong, you know, ride the hot

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Speaker 3: I wonder if people really feel Wentz is hot. I

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Speaker 3: feel like Wentz is adequate. This is a writing adequate hand,

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Speaker 3: the known hand. You know what you're going to get

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Speaker 3: from Carson Wentz. We've seen it now over the span

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Speaker 3: special play. Some missed receivers. Every quarterback does that to

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Speaker 3: in the moment. Carson Wentz has completed sixty nine percent

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Speaker 3: of his passes. That's that is a good that's a

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Speaker 3: good NFL number, five touchdowns, two interceptions. He's done a

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Speaker 3: that's getting the ball to Justin Jefferson is how you

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Speaker 3: win games. That's that's important. Now he has also the

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Speaker 3: luxury of getting Jordan Addison back, and Addison has helped

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Speaker 3: I think where this really galvanizes too oudiences the Wentz

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Speaker 3: people that are trying to find out what they've got

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Speaker 3: in the tenth overall pick of the draft last year

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Speaker 3: in JJ McCarthy. If you want to win games, if

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Speaker 3: and this is a this is a win based league,

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Speaker 3: that we're all wired that every NFL game is important,

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Speaker 3: every win counts well, we all rolled into this bye

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Speaker 3: and it's easy to say, we just got to give

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Speaker 3: But the losses are really hard. I mean, that sounds

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Speaker 3: so good in theory, Brett, to just give your quarterback

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Speaker 2: I mean, my stance on this, I think officially, is

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Speaker 3: So if we think Wentz is not a super Bowl quarterback,

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Speaker 3: There's still enough season left that mc carthy gets a

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Speaker 3: McCarthy's got the full range of outcomes. Could be awful

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Speaker 2: I also think there's a generational divide to here. I

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Speaker 2: And I think there's not much higher of a ceiling.

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Speaker 3: So we don't know much about McCarthy yet. The positions

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Speaker 3: under tremendous pressure by a battered offensive line in the

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Speaker 3: very tempting to go back and just say, well, JJ

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Speaker 3: hasn't played very well. I just don't know that anybody

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Speaker 3: obviously he rallied valiantly in the fourth quarter. So I

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Speaker 3: think it's really hard to suggest that you know much

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Speaker 3: the vision that I want him to in terms of

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Speaker 3: that's what you get with a young rookie and only

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Speaker 3: the right choice. Ultimately long term, it's just whether or

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Speaker 3: not you really have the forty to debate the losses

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Speaker 3: your young quarterback and quarterbacks. Quarterbacks lose games, and that

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Speaker 3: might very well be the case for McCarthy. Another X

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy is at eighty five percent on his Hankel spring,

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Speaker 3: seeing where where Jackson really are too. At the end

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Speaker 3: the next month of games, and just take your lumps

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Speaker 3: But I think I think right now, Brett, it's going

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Speaker 3: to be JJ week seven if the ankle allows. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you know, there isn't In my mind,

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Speaker 3: Video Games Weekly? Oh I missed that open. I haven't

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Speaker 3: think PlayStation only, right, but now it's on everything correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was PlayStation only, came to the PC,

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Speaker 2: and then now it's on Xbox as well. So they

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Speaker 2: had a collab with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, it's been fun going back through

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Speaker 3: Little Video Games Weekly one Segment edition. When we come back,

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Speaker 3: Mitch Moss from vsin to talk about the shocking, startling

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Speaker 3: successive circa survivor. This has becomes as big as anything

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Speaker 3: in sports gambling. If you will, we'll talk to Mitch

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Speaker 3: about the circus survivor phenomenon, and I may even give

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Speaker 3: him some input into my selection for this week when

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Speaker 3: we return to the Friday Football.

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Speaker 2: Feast, join the fans, Meat, Sauce, Lucky, Save Farm, and

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Speaker 3: The final segment of the Friday Football Feest. Paul charching

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Speaker 3: with you PA back Monday? Do we know Bret is

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Speaker 3: PA back Monday?

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Speaker 2: That would be a presumptive guess.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, we're gonna go with Monday. No idea if

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Speaker 3: that's actually accurate or not, but that won't stop us here.

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Speaker 3: Accuracy not necessarily that important. But what I can say

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Speaker 3: with confidence is I am joined by Mitch Moss, the

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Speaker 3: co host of Follow the Money on VSON. Mitch and

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Speaker 3: I talk every week during the football season, and I

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Speaker 3: wanted to touch base with Mitch on the phenomenon that

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Speaker 3: is Circa Survivor.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Mitch good Church, how are you, Pale?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Thank you. It's it's fun to be

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Speaker 3: back on the Friday football Feast. It's it's been a

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Speaker 3: little while since I moved to Utah, so I haven't

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Speaker 3: been on since since week one, and it's it's nice

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Speaker 3: to be back, and it's great to have you on

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Speaker 3: the show. I've got and I've got an entry. I

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Speaker 3: only had one entry into Circus Survivor still live. And

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Speaker 3: what I find is, I'm just astounded it how much

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Speaker 3: of my mental energy is going towards Circus Survivor and

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Speaker 3: how big this contest has come. Can you describe how

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Speaker 3: circus first, just like mechanically, how Circus Survivor work.

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Speaker 1: So it's one thousand dollars per entry, and you can

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Speaker 1: get up to ten entries to begin the year, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people do that. So that's ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars right there out of the gates. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: since this thing has gotten so big, people have decided

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Speaker 1: to like team up with each other and turning. Let's

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Speaker 1: say you, me and five other people working on the

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Speaker 1: show right now, we all say we're going to get

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Speaker 1: ten together, Well we could have seventy entries and work

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Speaker 1: our way and find a path to try to get

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Speaker 1: to the end that way. And so this thing has

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Speaker 1: grown exponentially from like five or six years ago when

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Speaker 1: they first posted it the first ever legal Survivor contest,

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Speaker 1: because it's something that like out here in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: we kind of forgot about. And you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: it was always the points spread and the total and

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Speaker 1: atf contests and then player props, and then it's like,

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Speaker 1: well wait a second. Here, people in the Midwest and

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Speaker 1: the Northeast and then all over the country they love

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Speaker 1: playing in Survivor contest. Why was it never a legal thing?

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Speaker 1: And once they brought it to Circa, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: has spread like wildfire. And so to give you an example,

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Speaker 1: two years ago twenty twenty three, it really took off

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Speaker 1: and it got to more than nine thousand entries, so

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Speaker 1: the contest was worth north of nine million dollars. Last

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Speaker 1: year jumped to more than fourteen million, and this year

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Speaker 1: charge it took another leap all the way up to

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Speaker 1: almost nineteen thousand entries. So the entire prize pool is

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Speaker 1: worth just a little bit shy of a nineteen million

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Speaker 1: dollars and you said it correctly. This is what I

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Speaker 1: spend an overwhelming amount of my time during the week

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Speaker 1: thinking about when it comes to the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And talking about right on VSA on your show Follow

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Speaker 3: the Money, which I encourage you to listen to. You

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Speaker 3: can follow the YouTube channel at vson Live and you've

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Speaker 3: got a VSA app as well. It's great. I'm on Thursdays.

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Speaker 3: The way Survivor works is you can only pick one

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Speaker 3: NFL team. You just need them to win one NFL

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Speaker 3: team each week, can't you It's the same one twice.

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Speaker 3: I think most listeners are very familiar with this, but

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Speaker 3: the stakes are so high and it's so different here

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Speaker 3: because the thousand dollars per team, the Big nine almost

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Speaker 3: nineteen million dollars that are in the prize pool, and

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Speaker 3: you're playing against so many teams. Mitch that this really

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Speaker 3: does change my strategy because I have to find some

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Speaker 3: way with my one little team. I got to find

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Speaker 3: so many to differentiate myself from nineteen thousand other teams.

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Speaker 1: There, there's no doubt, and what you want to do

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Speaker 1: is you want to avoid the team or the teams

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Speaker 1: as much as possible. That the masses will be on

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Speaker 1: and now that did not Like if you did that,

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Speaker 1: if you were on the most popular teams for the

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Speaker 1: first month, you're still alive. That is until last week

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Speaker 1: because we saw bombs go off multiple times, with the

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Speaker 1: Rams losing on Thursday night, with the Cardinals going down,

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Speaker 1: with the Bills going down on Sunday night, that eliminated

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Speaker 1: a massive chunk of the field. In fact, starting the

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Speaker 1: week we had there were more than twelve thousand people left.

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Speaker 1: It's now down the four than six hundred and forty six.

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Speaker 1: So like, this is the crazy thing. Twenty one teams

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Speaker 1: were still selected last week. I think twenty five teams

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Speaker 1: the week before. So you will see an entry on

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Speaker 1: the Titans like every single week, just in case that

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Speaker 1: landmine is hit, and it was last week. So my

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Speaker 1: guess is that's probably a big group of people that

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Speaker 1: had a bunch I could be wrong on this, but

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Speaker 1: they had a bunch of the Cardinals and they said,

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Speaker 1: let's put one on the Titans just in case they lose,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to have an edge there. But you're right, like,

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Speaker 1: if you have one entry, I think you need to

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Speaker 1: be looking at the teams that are not going to

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Speaker 1: be popular at all, but you still think have a

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Speaker 1: good chance to advance and survive. And it's such a

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Speaker 1: week to week league. I think that's a great way

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Speaker 1: to look at it. Like what team is in a

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Speaker 1: good schedule spot, Which team just played a great game

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Speaker 1: that probably won't duplicate that this following Sunday. Which team

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Speaker 1: is coming off of an absolute stinkbound that might rebound?

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Speaker 1: You know, so there are some there are some bottom

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Speaker 1: feeders that you have to take in order to advance

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Speaker 1: this thing. And oh, by the way, at Circa Charge,

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Speaker 1: the unique thing about this contest is they came up

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Speaker 1: with their own rules where Thanksgiving Day and Black Friday

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Speaker 1: is a separate week, and then the Christmas Day games

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Speaker 1: also a separate week. So you have to plan ahead

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Speaker 1: to which teams are playing on the holidays, because if

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Speaker 1: you use all those teams up and you get to Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: well you're out. You can't advance. So you have to

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Speaker 1: like right, and that's very tricky to do because a

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Speaker 1: lot of the matchups are going to be like pick'ms

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Speaker 1: and then like who's hurt, who's not? Who do I save?

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Speaker 1: You know. The whole thing is a mind game.

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Speaker 3: Throughout the entire year, those step Thanksgiving Day and Black Friday,

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Speaker 3: those those there's only like I don't know, three four

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Speaker 3: games or four or five four games. I think only

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Speaker 3: four games. You can only pick from eight teams on

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Speaker 3: that one. The Christmas Day ones only got I don't

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Speaker 3: know something like that as well, like three games, and

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Speaker 3: so you have to you've got to hold those teams

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Speaker 3: back to some degree. Can you game theory question for you?

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Speaker 3: Mitch Mitch Moss co hosts of Follow the Money on

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Speaker 3: Vison talking about Circus Survivor the absolute phenomenon that it is.

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Speaker 3: Can you win by picking good teams earthly and then

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Speaker 3: just hoping there's enough variance later that the teams that

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Speaker 3: are bad early are actually pretty good by the end

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Speaker 3: and you can then go back to these bad teams later.

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Speaker 3: Can you win by picking good teams early? Do you think?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that that's been the recipe this year.

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Speaker 1: Had you done that last year, you would have been out.

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Speaker 1: And I think ninety seven percent of the pool was

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Speaker 1: out after Week three because all the good teams were losing.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I guess that's the beauty of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: We can go into the season thinking well, these teams

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Speaker 1: are going to be incredible, They're going to win twelve, thirteen,

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Speaker 1: fourteen games. I can fit them when they are seven

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Speaker 1: eight points, you know, favored in those games. And I

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Speaker 1: want to target the teams that are going to be really,

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Speaker 1: really bad. So I would actually say this I have

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Speaker 1: been focusing on because I've gotten away. It was some

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Speaker 1: weeks with using some bad teams, but I'm focusing against

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Speaker 1: the true stink bombs of the league. Right, Like, who

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Speaker 1: thought Cincinnati was going to be this bad? You can't

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Speaker 1: anticipate Joe Burrow going down for the year, but we

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Speaker 1: all thought that the defense in the offensive line would

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Speaker 1: be troublesome. But this bad. So like if you're fading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals and the Packers are going to be super

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Speaker 1: popular this week. That's been a great recipe. Same thing

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Speaker 1: with the Titans until last week. And look, I mean

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Speaker 1: that that there's never going to be a fun way

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Speaker 1: to lose survivor. And if you were on the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: last week, you clearly had the right team. That's just

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Speaker 1: an all time loss. And that's that's I guess. The good,

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Speaker 1: the bad, and the ugly of the contest is that

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Speaker 1: it's such an adrenaline rush, and you love being a

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Speaker 1: part of it. But there's never going to be a game.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter when you go out week two, week eight,

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Speaker 1: week thirteen, it's going to it's always going to be

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Speaker 1: super painful. But I just think you've got to play

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Speaker 1: a week to week charge to downs to your question,

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Speaker 1: and you can't really bank on, you know, the teams

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Speaker 1: that you think are elite all the time and the

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Speaker 1: teams that are really really bad throughout the entire year.

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Speaker 3: You made passing reference to this Cardinals loss, which was

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Speaker 3: just epic. I mean, three astounding plays had to go

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Speaker 3: against the Cardinals and they all did. From your perspective,

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Speaker 3: as somebody that's been following Survivor and Circus Arrivor for

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Speaker 3: all this time, where does that loss rank all time

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Speaker 3: in terms of bad beats?

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Speaker 1: Well, in the last five years, five or six years

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Speaker 1: since Survivor came along. I thought the Rams on Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: because they were think about this. When when the Rams

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Speaker 1: had the ball first in goal to three yard line

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Speaker 1: with what a minute left whatever that was, two minutes left,

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Speaker 1: they were almost they were minus nine to fifty to

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Speaker 1: win the game. So their probability was like ninety seven

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Speaker 1: percent in that range based on different models whatever. And

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Speaker 1: they lost the game. So that was pretty bad. That

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Speaker 1: had nothing on the Cardinals loss. There was a game that,

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Speaker 1: in fact, I was involved in a couple of years

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Speaker 1: ago where the Browns were like a seven point favorite

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Speaker 1: against the Jets, and of course the Jets were really,

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Speaker 1: really bad, and the Browns scored a touchdown with about

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Speaker 1: ninety seconds left to go up by thirteen. They missed

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Speaker 1: the extra point. They kicked off. Jets scored a touch

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Speaker 1: on right away, got the on side kick, scored like

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Speaker 1: on a Hail Mary or whatever. It was final, like

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Speaker 1: a couple of seconds, and they made the extra point

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Speaker 1: and they won. I won. That was brutal. I think

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals loss that knock had to happen. It was worse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that knocked me out that year. That was a

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Speaker 3: that was a real You had that one bad beat yep, yep.

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Speaker 3: Other side of that, yeah, uh, never trust Deshaan Watson.

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Speaker 3: I'll that was a learning experience for me.

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Speaker 1: Pure Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Still still carrying the baggage on that on visan where

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Speaker 3: you can talk about anything, right, how much of your

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Speaker 3: weekly discussion is on Survivor and how much has that

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Speaker 3: changed over the years, Well.

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Speaker 1: It's more and more certainly because of how how big

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Speaker 1: the contest has gotten. We talk about it probably every day,

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Speaker 1: and you know today when we're running down the entire

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Speaker 1: schedule of games, every game will be pretty much brought

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Speaker 1: up like any unless it's like like a true pick them,

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Speaker 1: you will say, what do you think is this a

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Speaker 1: Survivor play? Like we'll go spread total player props and

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Speaker 1: then Survivor has to be a part of the discuss.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just it's gotten that big and it's

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Speaker 1: only going to get bigger, you know, out there, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they get to twenty five thousand

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Speaker 1: people next year whatever it is, and they built the

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Speaker 1: documentary around that. It's gotten really popular as well, so

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, it has to be talked about

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Speaker 1: quite a bit, and that may maybe, you know, once

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Speaker 1: it gets down to you're only sitting in a couple

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Speaker 1: hundred entries, then people might be turned off by because

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Speaker 1: they've been most people have been eliminated at that point.

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Speaker 1: But I still think it's like a new It's because

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Speaker 1: we're a sportscamling network, so it's a new story, right

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, the power ball is now

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Speaker 1: two million dollars. Well, people are fascinated by that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Are there survivor experts? You know, like thirty years ago,

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Speaker 3: nobody thought they'd be fantasy experts. Are there survivor experts?

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Speaker 3: So there are people out there making a living just giving

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Speaker 3: survivor advice.

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Speaker 1: They have I've seen like websites take off where they

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Speaker 1: where their models are actually pretty good at projecting stuff.

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Speaker 1: But we so we bring on some guests who you know,

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Speaker 1: they've been playing Survivor for a long long time. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you and they're like professional sports betters, Like

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Speaker 1: they understand the gist of the whole thing righty, Like

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Speaker 1: they get game theory a lot, and they understand they

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Speaker 1: might not win it every single year, but they know

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Speaker 1: absolutely what they're doing. And I'll tell you, you know people

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Speaker 1: who are really good at this stuff as well, poker players,

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Speaker 1: Like we have one guy who name was David Baker,

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Speaker 1: who's the professional poker player. He's dynamite. He had a

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Speaker 1: great World Series of Poker. Like listening to him to

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Speaker 1: I've learned so much from him in the last like

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Speaker 1: two years just listening to Survivor like he gets it,

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Speaker 1: and I think his poker background has a has a

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Speaker 1: big reason, you know, is a big reason why. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm no expert at it, but I think

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Speaker 1: I'm getting better. And I was a part of the

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Speaker 1: one hundred final one hundred and fifty last year when

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Speaker 1: fourteen thousand people got in it. I had the Giants

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Speaker 1: against the Panthers in Germany and they lost in overtime.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you how good that one's helped.

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Speaker 1: But and you know, so I'm getting better every single year.

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Speaker 1: But you know, to listen to people, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's the beauty of Survivor. By the way, is that

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Speaker 1: I want to have partners because I know that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to miss multiple angles on a bunch of these games,

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Speaker 1: and I might present something to them that they're not seeing.

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Speaker 1: So to bunce that off somebody or multiple people, I

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Speaker 1: think is that that's one of my favorite things to

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Speaker 1: do throughout the entire football season.

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Speaker 3: All right, Mitch, thank you for the background on service Survivors.

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Speaker 3: It's a total phenomenon. Survivor is a super fun way

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Speaker 3: to play. I love how simple it is to play

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Speaker 3: and just how an absurd amount of strategy there is

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Speaker 3: in Circus Survivor. Mitch. I'll talk to you on Thursday

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Speaker 3: for Follow the Money on VS and thanks so much

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Speaker 3: for joining. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, yeah, thanks charge quickly. My wife is in it

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Speaker 1: for the first time. That's all she talks about.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Next week's saying she's still alive. All she talks about.

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Speaker 1: And she loves football. I love the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: She only cares about Survivor.

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Speaker 3: I love it. See bring it Circus Survivor bringing marriages together.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Yes, fantastic, Thank you Bench all right, Judge,

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Speaker 3: and thank you for listening everybody. I really appreciate this.

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Speaker 3: It's been a ton of fun. Friday football feast back

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Speaker 3: again with a little Southern Utah flavor. Some rain over here,

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Speaker 3: which is pretty uncommon. Miss you all. I wish there

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Speaker 3: were still still heading out to Buffalo Wild Wings and

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Speaker 3: on Fridays, but you know this is this is the

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Speaker 3: life right here. You name all that. Brett, thank you

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Speaker 3: for your help today. Really appreciate it. You've been great.

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Speaker 2: Thank you you as well.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely common Man coming up next, please stay tuned. Everybody,

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Speaker 3: talk to you soon about podcast. Today's Paul Allen Show.

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