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Speaker 3: A Heisman moment for Michael Pennix. It's never ever gonna

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Speaker 1: Is it humilling here in those highlights Magic ever from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 5: Are you man?

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Speaker 3: It's softy and here. What's going on?

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Speaker 5: How you doing? I'm doing great. Excited to be on

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Speaker 3: Oh god, it's great to have you back on the show.

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Speaker 1: When you hear those highlights, by the way, what goes

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Speaker 1: Well, I gotta tell you, man, nobody wants to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say you guys are pretty beneficial to each other.

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Speaker 7: So, uh, I said my number two choice. I didn't

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Speaker 7: And then obviously knowing the offense and you know, just

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Speaker 4: In these days, it seems like there's more Heisman Trophy

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Speaker 5: No, So when I talked to Coach the Boy, it

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Speaker 1: Well, Michael Penick's well us and Mike when they got

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I'm very high on him.

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Speaker 7: I feel like he's a very good quarterback and the

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Speaker 7: But I do feel like he has a very good

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Speaker 5: So it's definitely awesome to see you.

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Speaker 7: I'm definitely a big fan of him, and I reached

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Speaker 4: And one more as we let you go. Mike's been

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Speaker 3: How about this? How about this? Let me rephrase it.

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Speaker 1: If Indiana wins and they play Oregon in the semi final,

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Speaker 5: Anybody but Oregon?

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Speaker 3: I love it? I love it? All right, Mike, you're

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Speaker 3: the man. Thanks for doing this, buddy, Enjoy the rest

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Speaker 3: of your night. Good luck with the rehab. Can't wait

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Speaker 5: Man, all right, thank you.

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Speaker 3: You got it, Michael Pennox with us anybody but Oregon?

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Speaker 1: The guy was here for two years, and it took

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Speaker 3: And Charlotte, we'll talk to her.

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Speaker 1: Rich Gannon, the two thousand and two NFL MVP, he's

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Speaker 1: the big news involving DK metcalf man as well, coming

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Speaker 3: You milling in for Nick Fine today, who's got the

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Speaker 1: Get to the DK metcalf conversation in a moment. Michigan,

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Speaker 1: Happy Holidays.

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Speaker 3: How are you the same?

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Speaker 1: To you?

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Speaker 8: I'm great things. How about you?

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks and Panthers seem to play every frigging year,

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Speaker 4: You bet, I would imagine. So what areas of the

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Speaker 4: football team have improved that have led this surge?

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean the play of Bryce Young, I think

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Speaker 8: has been huge. Uh, he's still looking for some consistency,

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Speaker 8: but he has been He's improved drastically since last year

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Speaker 8: with his ability to read defenses to create some plays.

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Speaker 8: He's being more patient, He's got a great rapport, great

444
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Speaker 8: chemistry with our rookie receiver Teterro McMillan. Jalen Cocher also

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Speaker 8: has come on strong, our second year receiver, so that's

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Speaker 8: been tremendous. And the play of the offensive line has

447
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Speaker 8: also been huge, turning it around for me a year

448
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Speaker 8: ago when they were absolute dead last worse than the league.

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Speaker 8: Have really come on and played much much better this year.

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Speaker 8: I had a lot of key additions in the draft

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Speaker 8: of Derek Brown coming back healthy was huge. Of course,

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Speaker 8: also brought in some free agents that have really helped

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Speaker 8: our cause. So I think those two things really to

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Speaker 8: play Bryce Young and then the defense turning things around

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Speaker 8: is the key.

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Speaker 3: Sharon.

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Speaker 1: I haven't taken a look yet, and I figured I

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Speaker 1: would just rely on your expertise. Why Google when I

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Speaker 1: can go to Sharon Thorsland directly? How big of a game,

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Speaker 1: honestly is this for Carolina? Because you beat Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: last week, you got them next week in kind of

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Speaker 1: a unique situation, you play him twice in three weeks.

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Speaker 1: If you lose the game Sunday and you beat the Buccaneers,

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Speaker 1: you're going to begin NFC South champions no matter what.

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Speaker 1: So how big a game is this truly for them?

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Speaker 3: On Sunday?

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Speaker 8: You know it's big because there is another way for

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Speaker 8: them to get into the playoffs, and that is if

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Speaker 8: they can beat Seattle. And if the Bucks lose to

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Speaker 8: Miami on Saturday, which is probably our Sunday, it is

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Speaker 8: probably not gonna have because I can't imagine the Bucks

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Speaker 8: losing four games in a row and Miami. It's sort

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Speaker 8: of the train wreck the Estates, so probably won't happen,

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Speaker 8: but no, and this team is treating this as yet

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Speaker 8: another championship opportunities. They call it another playoff game. They've

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Speaker 8: sort of been in playoff mode for several weeks now,

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Speaker 8: trying to stay alive and stay in the hunt. So

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Speaker 8: they're not going to be cashing in and on this

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Speaker 8: game by any means, nor do they deserve to be

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Speaker 8: able to do that.

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Speaker 5: At this point.

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Speaker 8: They're still still trying to become a good football team,

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Speaker 8: still trying to get to consistency. However, I think most

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Speaker 8: of the fans out there would be happy if they

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Speaker 8: did lose to the Teahawks, because that's been the Panther's

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Speaker 8: trend now for months. Win one, lose one, win one,

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Speaker 8: lose one, win one, lose one. So after the Bucks

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Speaker 8: win yesterday, they need to lose the Seahawks and then

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Speaker 8: get back on track with beating the Bucks in the

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Speaker 8: game that really counts them. As you said, for the

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Speaker 8: NFC South.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're here's to hoping. We're hoping here that it

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Speaker 4: continues that way and that you'll lose one because you

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Speaker 4: just won one. Last weekend, right, but when we see

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Speaker 4: the Bucks, I know, I think it shocked a lot

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Speaker 4: of people. I mean, some of the most incredible wins

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Speaker 4: of the NFL this year, shocking maybe early on, you

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Speaker 4: know at Green Bay and then beating the Rams like

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Speaker 4: those are two of the handful of best wins in league.

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Speaker 4: And yet you turn around and then lose the Saints

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Speaker 4: in the middle of all that. So when the Panthers

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Speaker 4: have been poor and and you're shaking your head, what

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Speaker 4: is it about them that you see that's leading to

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Speaker 4: those losses?

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Speaker 8: A big thing penalty, it's self inflicted woes mainly when

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Speaker 8: if they play like they're capable of playing and play

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Speaker 8: good football, they clearly can beat anyone. When they do

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Speaker 8: the silly things and you know, the lack of focus

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Speaker 8: and the dumb mistakes and the penalties or you know,

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Speaker 8: the dropped passes, things like that, that's been when they lose,

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Speaker 8: and it's it's definitely it seems like it's more of

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Speaker 8: a mental thing. They've got plenty of talent on this

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Speaker 8: football team. They just don't have the consistency right now

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Speaker 8: that Dave Canalis is looking for. And then when they

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Speaker 8: don't have the focus and have the silly mistakes and

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Speaker 8: the things that just shoot themselves in the But that's

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Speaker 8: been why they've been losing. It has not been, i think,

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Speaker 8: for anything any other reason now. And coach Cannel will

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Speaker 8: be the first one to tell you some of those

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Speaker 8: mistakes were hit like when they didn't run the football

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Speaker 8: when they've got a hot Rico' daddle and they've got

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Speaker 8: out to San Francisco after whipping up on the Falcons

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Speaker 8: in Atlanta, they go out to San Francisco against a

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Speaker 8: very good passing defense and decide they're just going to

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Speaker 8: try to pass ball all day instead of run. When

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Speaker 8: you've got to Hubbard and Rico Daddle. So he's made

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Speaker 8: some mistakes on the way too that he will certainly,

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Speaker 8: you know, take his medicine for. So it's things like

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Speaker 8: that that have caused them to lose.

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Speaker 5: Like that game.

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Speaker 8: They should have won that game, and they had three

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Speaker 8: picks in the first half yea at San Francisco. So

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Speaker 8: you know, it's pretty much the self inflicted wounds. I

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Speaker 8: think that have been their biggest achilles hill when they've

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Speaker 8: been in their losses this season.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking at if I'm not mistaken, the last

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Speaker 1: time the Seahawks lost to Carolina. I think Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: was the quarterback in twenty twenty two, three years ago,

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Speaker 1: so you as you look back on your time was

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Speaker 1: so when you covered him in Carolina and.

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Speaker 3: You see what he's become.

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Speaker 1: How surprised we just talked to you about how surprised

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Speaker 1: you are about the Panthers competing for a division. I mean, Sharon,

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald has more wins than anybody in the last

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Speaker 1: two years as a starting quarterback, and he's the first

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Speaker 1: QB in the history of the NFL to win twelve

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Speaker 1: games or more two years in a row with two

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Speaker 1: different teams. How surprised are you that that's the guy

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Speaker 1: that we're talking about that you saw up close and

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Speaker 1: personal three years ago.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I would be lying if I said

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Speaker 8: I wasn't surprised. Yeah, I mean, it was a bad

553
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Speaker 8: situation here, and needless to say, with when Matt Ruhle

554
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Speaker 8: was here, and we also had Taker Mayfield and Sam

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Speaker 8: Donald at one point, so you know, it was just

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Speaker 8: a bad situation all the way round. Of both of

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Speaker 8: those guys have gone off to have tremendous success. I

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Speaker 8: did not see that coming with Sam Donald I admit that,

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Speaker 8: but I am so happy for him, but loved covering him.

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Speaker 8: He was a great guy here, wonderful to work with,

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Speaker 8: the guys, loved him on the tea. He was a

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Speaker 8: class act all the way around, and he was just

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Speaker 8: in a bad situation here, as was you know, Baker,

564
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Speaker 8: and just fedivery on the team at that point. So

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Speaker 8: I love it for Sam that he's been able to

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Speaker 8: go and have the kind of success he has, and

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Speaker 8: I think he's been in a great spot out there

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Speaker 8: with you guys in Seattle. So I'm happy for him.

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Speaker 8: I just wanted to not maybe have that same success

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Speaker 8: against Panthers this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Sharon Thorson with us, the sideline reporter for the Panthers.

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Speaker 4: I want to drill down on Dave's question because I

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Speaker 4: have said here locally that November twenty seventh, twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: two was kind of I don't say that a seminal

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Speaker 4: moment on that day, but that's the point where Sam

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Speaker 4: Darnold's career went in a different direction because he had

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Speaker 4: sat for those eleven games the first time in his career.

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Speaker 4: He sat those eleven games, and then he started with

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Speaker 4: the last six games he went four and two, and

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Speaker 4: then he went to San Francisco, course went on to

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Speaker 4: Minnesota and we know the rest of it. But was

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Speaker 4: there something that you picked up as a reporter there

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Speaker 4: that Sam was able to acquire while being on that bench,

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Speaker 4: Because the first time he went back in as a starter,

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Speaker 4: he's been lights out And Dave said the winning this

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Speaker 4: quarterback in the last two years. Hell, since that date

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Speaker 4: that I said, in twenty twenty two, over four seasons,

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Speaker 4: four different teams, he also has the highest win percentage

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Speaker 4: of any quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: So what about that.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty two year do you remember that might have

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Speaker 4: been really pivotal for Sam Darnold?

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Speaker 8: You know, I think it was, you know, the classic

595
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Speaker 8: chip on the shoulder kind of thing. I think he

596
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Speaker 8: was really really frustrated to be sitting like that and

597
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Speaker 8: had something to prove, and when he got the chance

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Speaker 8: to go back out there, that's exactly what he did.

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Speaker 8: I think a lot of guys can benefit from sitting

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Speaker 8: on the bench. Price Young certainly did last year. But

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Speaker 8: I think in Sam's instance, he had never had a

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Speaker 8: true shot, like a good shot with a good team

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Speaker 8: around him, and I think that sitting on the bench

604
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Speaker 8: was just such a motivator for him. He would just

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Speaker 8: really wanted to go out there and prove the doubters

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Speaker 8: wrong and show that he belonged as a starter in

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Speaker 8: this league. And he just had this like this determination

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Speaker 8: about him when he came back out there. And then

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Speaker 8: you start winning and start building that confidence again, and

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Speaker 8: you know, guys certainly rallied around him. So that's the

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Speaker 8: biggest thing that I saw from him. And then, like

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Speaker 8: he said, he's just taken off ever since then, and

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Speaker 8: the confidence is certainly there again, and he knows that

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Speaker 8: he's an excellent quarterback in this league. But I do

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Speaker 8: think that it started with when he was on the bench.

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Speaker 8: I think that that frustration and that that extra motivation,

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Speaker 8: that chip on the shoulder really came out in him

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Speaker 8: in those last couple of games of the season.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's going to be fun on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: It might be a scenario where whichever team can avoid

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Speaker 1: the letdown this weekend is going to win, right Carolina

622
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Speaker 1: coming off the high of the Tampa Bay win, the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks coming off the high of the stupid comeback against

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Speaker 1: the Rams on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: And I thot, Yeah, that was incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so whatever team can avoid the letdown. But big game,

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Speaker 1: no doubt with these two teams. And never thought back

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Speaker 1: in some it'd be as big as it is. But

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Speaker 1: it's gigantic. So great stuff, Sharon, enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 1: the holidays and have fun.

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Speaker 3: Sunday we'll talk down the road.

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Speaker 8: Great, thanks so much, Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 3: You bet.

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Speaker 1: Sharon Doorsland, the voice sideline voice of the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna break man, oh Man, DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 1: Holy hell, we'll come back and shout about it. Been

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Speaker 1: suspended two games by the NFL Hugh for taking a

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Speaker 1: swing at a fan during the Lion Steeler game on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Did the NFL get it right? Does it matter what

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Speaker 1: fans say to players at all? Or is the onus

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Speaker 1: always going to be one hundred percent on the player

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Speaker 1: to not respond. We'll come back and chat about it

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Speaker 1: next on ninety three three KJRFM.

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Speaker 6: back to Softi and Dick on your Home for the Huskies.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just insane.

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Speaker 1: If you have not learned by now the best way

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Speaker 1: to send money during the holiday season is with PayPal,

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Speaker 1: then you will never ever ever learn. Guys, I think

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Speaker 1: we all need to sing go your own way together.

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Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Well is that Will Ferrell by the way, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: Will Pharaoh. Well, Hugh Millin's with us until seven o'clock.

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Speaker 1: If you miss Michael Pennix by the way, great to

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Speaker 1: catch up with him. We'll give that to you. Come

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Speaker 1: up six pm. Actually we're going till six thirty because

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Speaker 1: we got cracking ducks coming up. Pregame six thirty, face

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Speaker 1: off at seven. We're all of a sudden, the boys

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Speaker 1: have the worst record, tied for the worst record in

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Speaker 1: the NHL. After such a strong start, they have totally

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Speaker 1: fallen apart. We'll hear the game coming up? Is is

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Speaker 1: mikey be doing radio tonight? Right Mike Betton again continues

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Speaker 1: to realize his childhood dream by calling radio in the NHL.

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Speaker 1: He'll be obviously on the call tonight at seven o'clock

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Speaker 1: from the Pond, Hugh. Lots of stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Last time we had you on Friday. It was great

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Speaker 1: timing because it was that unbelievable classic comeback against the

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Speaker 1: Rams on Thursday night. Now we have another incident involving

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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and this has been now resulted in him

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Speaker 1: getting suspended for a couple of games. He can appeal it.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. But the story is that during

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Speaker 1: the Lions Steeler game yesterday DK Metcalf was said something

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Speaker 1: to him by this fan wearing this you know, blue

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Speaker 1: wig or whatever the hell it is, pomp palm on

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Speaker 1: his head. DK walks over, the guy leans towards DK,

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Speaker 1: says something, and DK takes a swipe at him. DK

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Speaker 1: has claimed people that represent him have claimed that he

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Speaker 1: used a racial slur dropped a c next Tuesday on

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Speaker 1: him regarding his mother. The fan come out and said

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Speaker 1: none of that's true at all, by the way, so

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Speaker 1: I guess it's a question of who you believe. But

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Speaker 1: the NFL has said, whether we believe you or not, whatever,

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Speaker 1: you're suspended for a couple of games. So I guess

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Speaker 1: before we talk about all the different tentacles, if you will, Hugh,

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Speaker 1: that come along with this story, what was your reaction

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Speaker 1: to seeing that incident involving DK yesterday and the suspension today.

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Speaker 4: Very appalled to see it. Inexcusable, zero defense of that.

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Speaker 4: I think two games seemed right. You kind of just

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Speaker 4: look and say, oh, they got two games left and

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Speaker 4: they're likely to make the playoffs, so it seemed like

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Speaker 4: two regular season games seems about right. I mean, look,

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Speaker 4: fans are part.

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Speaker 3: Of the structure of sports.

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Speaker 4: And they buy the tickets, they fund the salaries, they

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Speaker 4: create the game day atmosphere. Athletes agree implicitly and explicitly

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Speaker 4: to operate with any controlled environment and a controlled violence

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Speaker 4: only between players, and you break that that covenant, you

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Speaker 4: break the trust and sports can't operate.

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Speaker 5: And so it is.

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Speaker 4: It is no excuse, It is no defense about what

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Speaker 4: a fan may have said. Fans say stupid things, they

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Speaker 4: say mean things, they say evil things, they say racist things,

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Speaker 4: they say a lot of reprehensible things. That is a

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Speaker 4: problem with the security at the stadium. That is baked

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Speaker 4: into sports. That's just part of the deal.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Athletes are paid to absorb this provocation without reacting physically.

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Speaker 4: David and I just think that it is not the

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Speaker 4: athlete's place to police the fans and so and you know,

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Speaker 4: you just think about there's twenty two hundred and forty

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Speaker 4: players in the NFL, the vast majority of which are

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Speaker 4: here to play by the rules right, and there is

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Speaker 4: an economic impact to the actions of like what DK

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Speaker 4: said that brings everybody else down. It paints everybody in

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Speaker 4: the league with a brush they don't want to be

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Speaker 4: painted in. Most players don't want to be paid, even

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Speaker 4: former players.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: We you know, my pension which I haven't elected to

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Speaker 4: receive yet, but my pension is tied to the financial

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Speaker 4: success league. So even you know, no, I'm just not

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Speaker 4: even a mist in the ocean from the NFL. But

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Speaker 4: every current and former player is somehow tied to the

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Speaker 4: actions of current players in matters such as this.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I I if, in fact there was a racist epithet,

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Speaker 4: that's discussing it's important. I can't you know, I can't

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Speaker 4: imagine in twenty twenty five that a fan would want

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Speaker 4: to come up to a black professional athlete and just

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Speaker 4: use the the shield of being in the stands and

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Speaker 4: figure that he can act like that to another human being,

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Speaker 4: another black human being. But as as disgusting and reprobate

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Speaker 4: as that is, you still can't do what DK did.

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Speaker 4: So I don't have any equivocation on this.

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Speaker 3: I'm very FIRMA, yeah, no, I get I think it's

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Speaker 3: I it's a fair take.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I've known you for a long time now,

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Speaker 1: where a friendship is going on twenty five plus years,

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Speaker 1: and if there's one thing that I've learned from you,

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Speaker 1: it's that you know two truths can exist at the

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Speaker 1: same time, and reasonable minds can disagree. Right, And I

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Speaker 1: agree with a lot of what you're saying, and I

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Speaker 1: totally see your side and your perspective, and I would

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Speaker 1: probably here to be honest with you, generally agree with

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Speaker 1: that right and side towards what you are saying that

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Speaker 1: outside of somebody actually being on the receiving end of

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Speaker 1: some sort of violence meeting, a fan jumps out of

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Speaker 1: the stands and starts attacking a player, points a weapon

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Speaker 1: of a player, whatever, things like that that are so

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Speaker 1: obviously off the charts insane that you don't even really

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Speaker 1: think about it. There really is no there's no place

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Speaker 1: for any player to put their hands on a fan.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think about actually, the one time in

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Speaker 1: my life where I have felt completely uncomfortable and queasy

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Speaker 1: as a sports fan was when I watched the Mallets

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Speaker 1: at the Palace back in the day with the Pistons

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Speaker 1: and those fights. Remember that that spilled over into the

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Speaker 1: crowd at that basketball game.

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Speaker 3: It was disgusting watching that.

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Speaker 1: And so that's the last thing anybody obviously wants to see.

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Speaker 1: I do I do wonder though, and I just think

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Speaker 1: there's a conversation and maybe we circle back to it

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Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, you and you go

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Speaker 1: back to your original commentary and the top of the pyramid,

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Speaker 1: the base of the mountain, whatever, and you have the

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Speaker 1: take you have, and that's the take you have, and

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Speaker 1: that's totally fine. Is there any room for fans to

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Speaker 1: receive anything like what DK Metcalf did, depending on what

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Speaker 1: flies out of a fan's mouth. Like Ross Tucker, for example,

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Speaker 1: went on The Dan Patrick Show today and basically said,

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Speaker 1: fans can say whatever they want. They can say whatever

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Speaker 1: they want, and there's no place at all for what

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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 3: Did, And I think I would probably agree with that.

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Speaker 1: But like you know, to tell Marte, who plays for

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Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks, was the victim of a fan last year.

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Speaker 1: You guys may have heard of this that was screaming

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Speaker 1: at him about his dead mother and he had to

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Speaker 1: just deal with that and walk off the field in tear.

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Speaker 1: Security ended up handling it when it was all said

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Speaker 1: and done, but he had no choice but to just

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Speaker 1: sit there and deal with it. So is there is

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Speaker 1: there any room at all? Is there any conversation to

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Speaker 1: be had whatsoever? That depending on what came out of

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Speaker 1: the mouth of the fan, there is a situation where

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Speaker 1: maybe what DK Metcalf did is justified. And again I

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Speaker 1: would probably generally say no, I'm just throwing it out

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Speaker 1: there for the sake of the argument and sake of

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Speaker 1: the conversation with me.

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Speaker 3: Hugh, Okay, well, I understand, hang on.

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Speaker 1: A second time out because we gotta get a break here.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I believe what DK's saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm DK Metcalf and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: wiggle my way out of.

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Speaker 3: This, that's exactly what I would say.

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Speaker 1: I would just say, Hey, the guy was doing this,

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Speaker 1: he was doing that, he was saying this, he was

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Speaker 1: saying that, and the NFL would go back and ask

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Speaker 1: for witnesses or if people sitting right next to this

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Speaker 1: guy in the front row of Ford Field, they'd ask him,

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Speaker 1: did you hear this?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: Anybody else hear that?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry Dk. The other part of the problem

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Speaker 1: with DK metcalf and you know this as well as anybody.

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Speaker 1: His reputation kind of precedes him a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: He's known as a bit of as a bit of

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Speaker 1: a hothead, a bit of a hothead. He's been emotional

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Speaker 1: about stuff, and I wonder if some of that played

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Speaker 1: a role in the NFL's quick decision to suspend him.

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Speaker 1: So we'll come back and talk chat about this a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I think you We're going to have this

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Speaker 1: conversation and I'm going to just pretty much agree with you,

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Speaker 1: but I do want to hear your perspective on that

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Speaker 1: as an ex athlete. Next on ninety three three KJARFM