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Speaker 2: You are listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline. It's Saturday,

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Speaker 2: it's early. I'm here in the studio with Mark wessel. Mark.

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Speaker 2: If you keep coming like this, people are gonna think

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Speaker 2: I like you.

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Speaker 3: Well, Scott, I've been coming so much. They have our

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Speaker 3: parking spot names on the parking spot. The employee of

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Speaker 3: the that parking lots really crowd at this time of

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they wanted us to be able to ease in

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Speaker 3: here easily.

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Speaker 2: And we're both very grateful for that. Yes, we're very

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Speaker 2: very grateful for that. My intention is to sound smart

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Speaker 2: this morning. Do you have you share that goal?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be great if you sounded smart.

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Speaker 2: You're the host. Mark. I think we're gonna have a

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Speaker 2: really cool show today. We've got Bree Arthur coming in.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know Bree Arthur, you haven't been paying attention.

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Speaker 2: She's everywhere, was written a couple of books, all over

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Speaker 2: social media. Quite the horticultural superstar she is.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't have any coffee this morning because I

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Speaker 3: knew Breeze energy, cheerful energy will wake us all up.

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Speaker 2: She is all of that. She is quite the ball

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Speaker 2: of fire. We'll see if she is this early on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: She is in the morning. Yeah, maybe she's up right

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Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't be surprised. I really wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 2: Then we have Natalie Carmoli from Proven Winters coming spring

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Speaker 2: Meadow Proven Winners. She is. That's the shrub side. She's

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Speaker 2: the shrub side, and we're going to talk about hydrangeas,

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Speaker 2: all the new ones, how to maintain them, how to

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Speaker 2: prune them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, that's big subject. That's one of the most

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Speaker 3: popular shrubs. I mean, everybody is breeding hydrangels and I

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Speaker 3: did how a million of them there are?

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Speaker 2: And uh, it's as one of the most common, you know,

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Speaker 2: Garden Center favorite plants. Uh, there's still a lot of

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Speaker 2: questions that people have about them. So we'll try to

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Speaker 2: get some of those answered. Uh and then you'll do

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Speaker 2: a deep dive into blackberries and raspberries in about half

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward. Good timing for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good timing for that. So uh, yeah, we want

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Speaker 2: to welcome our listeners and uh invite everybody to the

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Speaker 2: Facebook page in the garden you can join that. Ron

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Speaker 2: rothis heads that up and just want to remind you.

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Speaker 2: Our podcast can now be found on most sources of podcasts,

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Speaker 2: So if you have a favorite, go to it. Type

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Speaker 2: in let's Garden with Scott Berline and you'll likely find

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Speaker 2: all of our past programs, including the first one or

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Speaker 2: two which weren't so good, and then all the rest

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Speaker 2: this will be our best. This will be our best

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Speaker 2: the Grammy or I mean whatever, you know, you get.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be nominated for something something.

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Speaker 2: But as per usual, let's dive into the national days

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Speaker 2: of you ready for that. There's more, there's more there

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Speaker 2: and they can come and man, that's the thing about them.

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Speaker 2: So all right, we're in April. So we've mentioned this

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Speaker 2: last week, but this is the month for landscape architects

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Speaker 2: Lance National Landscape Architecture a month pecan pecan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the pecan and pecan pecan?

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Speaker 2: What what is your go to pronunciation there? Pecan, pecan.

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Speaker 2: We're northern kids, that's right, Yeah, that's right. Straw Hat Month,

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Speaker 2: which you are a proponent of straw hats. More importantly,

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Speaker 2: Garden Month, National Garden Month, National Lawn and Garden Month.

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Speaker 2: They're different somehow. Keep America Beautiful Month and National Native

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Speaker 2: that our friend Nancy Lynz is still pushing to get

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Speaker 2: April designated the National Native Plant Month.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's a good month for it. I mean

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Speaker 2: Really is, which is odd. But it was started by

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Speaker 3: They had collectors around the world looking for books to

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Speaker 2: If you're into medicinal plants, botany, pharmacy, horticulture, historical plant books,

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Speaker 3: And they have little events open to the public, speakers

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Speaker 2: Have you spoken there? No?

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Speaker 3: No, Meg has about Maggie Brown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Meg your your partner, your life partner and a

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Speaker 2: great video producer, right, researcher, document doumentarian and back documentarian

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Speaker 2: nests No, just I don't know. I don't know either.

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Speaker 2: week today National Vitamin C Week or Day?

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Speaker 3: Lionis Pauling he was really associated with vitamin C and

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Speaker 2: Know, every now and then those wacky people are proven right,

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Speaker 2: and it's kind of cool to see when that happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And maybe after three hundred and sixty four days you

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Speaker 3: Well that I don't know if that's appropriate anymore.

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Speaker 2: I don't know National School Librarian Day. Is it kind

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Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be quiet at libraries.

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Speaker 2: And librarians like it quiet. We know that National Walk

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Speaker 2: Or like traveling with blinders on you just you know

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Speaker 2: Raising in spice bar day tomorrow, Caramel Caramel Caramel.

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Speaker 2: Really, go for broke Day. That's kind of a fun day.

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Speaker 3: What is this from Florida? Well, you know, it's not

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Speaker 3: Yer, of course I do caramel and beer after mix.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretzels and beer. Pizza and beer, not caramel and beer. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday Pro eight Zoo Lover's Day. That hits me right

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Speaker 2: exists employee of the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. It's

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Speaker 2: also all is Ours Day, so everything must be ours. Wow,

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Speaker 2: But that truly I brought that in. Thursday Unicorn Day,

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Speaker 2: Chinese Almond Cookie Day, Winston Churchill Day, and Name Yourself Day.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna call myself Charlton Heston all day on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are you should be the one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lift farm Animals Day, Siblings Day, and Encourage a

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Speaker 2: Now here's my point about all that. I've been noticing

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Speaker 2: this theme all through March. There were bakery goods days.

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Speaker 2: Like every other day at least there was some bakery

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Speaker 2: good day. And this week alone we've got raising and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to start this with the fragrant viburnums. They're

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Speaker 2: I've got three two jud viburnums Jedi, which absolutely are

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Speaker 2: very nice, nice plants, good fragrance. Again, and then I

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Speaker 3: That's how I always doesn't mean it's right.

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Speaker 2: No, No, probably means it's wrong. And you know, there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whole serious. There'll always be more viburnums. Yeah, not

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Speaker 2: They really are. And uh, you know if you can

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Speaker 3: And some do not smell good.

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Speaker 2: Right, you gotta Yeah, there's a fragrant group and a

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Speaker 3: Where you going with this?

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Speaker 2: You know where I'm going? Where the landscape crews have

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Speaker 2: it just shows a lot of the ignorance that's out there.

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Speaker 2: You knows, you might slip on the spent petals and

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Speaker 3: It is interesting though, to see one that's been heavily

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something that are just really tight and yeah, a

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is a plant that truly does not

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Speaker 3: Well, there's all kinds of horticulture missteps out.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, you're listening to That's Guard with Scott Berlin.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with Mark Wessel and Mark I got a

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Speaker 2: I found a news item this week talking about how

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Speaker 2: a BlackBerry is wreaking havoc on native landscapes in the

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Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest. The Himalayan BlackBerry, and it got me thinking

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Speaker 2: about blackberries and raspberries. Plants are fruit I love, and

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Speaker 2: And you are about the best expert on that in

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Speaker 3: In this room, yeah, this room. Yeah, you know, but

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it's funny how those media, but if you.

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Speaker 3: It's not a news flash that this this thing's been

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Speaker 3: a real bugger of a plant. Yeah, it's and it's

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Speaker 3: just crazy invasive. But taste good, taste good, but bad

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Speaker 3: for the landscape. Yeah, and good old Luser Burbanks, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like in the hole. Did he do

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Speaker 2: we're good at harm? I don't know. You know, these

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Speaker 3: You never know.

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Speaker 2: You got to just be careful. They had no idea

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Speaker 3: Now we do. He was trying to do good.

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Speaker 2: He was he was trying to feed the population, give

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Speaker 2: them something good to eat. But I've got all these questions. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so all raspberries and blackberries are in the rubus genus,

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Speaker 2: but what are they like the part? You know, like

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Speaker 2: I always think blackberries, well they're black, but then there's

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Speaker 2: black raspberries. But the BlackBerry always has more of it,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a twang to it, whereas the

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Speaker 2: raspberry is more sweet. It is that kind of a.

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Speaker 3: Well, there is a flavor difference, but the structurally a raspberry,

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Speaker 3: when you pick it it it comes off the receptacle,

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Speaker 3: which is this little you know, if you look inside.

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Speaker 2: Raspberry, it's hollow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it pulls free from the receptacle. A BlackBerry

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Speaker 3: that does not pull free, It stays on the fruit. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so you don't see that hollow section.

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Speaker 2: That's mainly the entire difference.

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Speaker 3: That's the botanically, that's the difference. That's I mean the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so you know, dig in and I'm just

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Speaker 2: why is there a black raspberry when we think of

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Speaker 2: raspberries generally is red. And why is it it not

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Speaker 2: a BlackBerry because that receptacle thing, I'm guessing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a black raspberry. That's why it's not. No,

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Speaker 3: But I mean, so, okay, you have your red raspberry group.

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Speaker 3: the red group you have red yellow orange berries. But

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Speaker 3: they're all in that red raspberry and a black raspberry

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Speaker 3: is a totally different species native right around here. I

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Speaker 3: grew up picking them. Very delicate fruit. I mean, all

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Speaker 3: raspberries are delicate. This very sang your hands, and it's

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Speaker 3: just very different. It's my favorite berry, the BlackBerry, raspberry.

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Speaker 2: Black raspberry, okay, yeah, yeah, and yeah, I was looking

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Speaker 2: at the species online and it's like the red raspberry.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's ruber idaeis yeah, and possibly sometimes Rubis strugosis.

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Speaker 3: There's always something else thrown in, okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're all mixed up in hybrids and things,

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Speaker 2: yeah yeah, okay. And then the black raisberry is uh

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Speaker 2: Rubus occidentalis, and that's that's a native to the eastern Us. Correct.

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Speaker 3: And then there's a western counterpart.

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Speaker 2: Okay, as there often is with with plants. Interesting blackberries.

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Speaker 2: is a native from the Eastern Union, are uh rubus

430
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Speaker 2: ers in.

431
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: This Yeah, that's from the out west.

432
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: Out west. And then las Aniatis evergreen backberry.

433
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know the the western blueberries. Those two

434
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: species have been used amongst others in the breeding. Okay, yeah, yeah,

435
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 3: you know you species.

436
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: You drive past those big farms out in you know,

437
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: the valleys of California, you see them growing.

438
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: Right California, Oregon, Washington, and they often grow these trailing

439
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: types that just aren't hardy and do well here. They're

440
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: called trailing, but they train them up. They're more vining

441
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: like our dewberries.

442
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: And usually it looks like there's a shade cloth of

443
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: some kind of or a cloft overtop for some reason.

444
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes.

445
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, how what's the best uh what do you

446
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: find that like the best varieties for gardeners are to

447
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: grow for either blackberries or raspberries. Oh boy, I know.

448
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: The best varieties. Well, let's just back up a little bit, okay,

449
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 3: Can I just talk about structure and fruiting and just

450
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: dood Okay, So with blackberries, and raspberries. You have the

451
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: prima cane fruiting and flora cane fruiting. So a BlackBerry

452
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: grows or raspberry that first year that cane, this year's

453
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: growth is called a prima cane, and then normally that

454
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: overwinters and fruits the next.

455
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Year on the primate kin on the floor.

456
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: After overwinters and blooms and fruits, that's called the floracane.

457
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: So it's a two year process. Now they introduce these

458
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: primacane fruitings. It's been a while to where it'll grow

459
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: on the primacane and fruit the same year as the growth,

460
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: So there's they both. They require different pruning methods, and

461
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: you can. It's possible.

462
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 2: You can. If you mess this up, you're probably costing

463
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: yourself a crop.

464
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 3: It's possible. Yeah, yeah, some people do. Like if you

465
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: have a floracane and type and you cut it to

466
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 3: the ground, you're you're going to lose your whole year's crop,

467
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: Whereas if you have a prima caane which fruits at

468
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: first year, you'll.

469
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: Still have a crop. Really important to know what you're

470
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: ordering when you buy raspberries or blackberries, and then remember

471
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: what they are. You know as far as prima caine

472
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: or fluoroicane.

473
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: That's correct, okay.

474
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: Right, Is it kind of a good idea that maybe

475
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: to have both so you sort of have yourself covered.

476
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I have both types of blackberries, which is

477
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: a great thing because my blackberries, very unusual, were frozen

478
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: to the snow level this year really in you know,

479
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: I have a community garden in the hole. Yeah, so

480
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: freeze really settles in there and they were frozen down.

481
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: So any floricane variety which would have fruited on last

482
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: year's growth, it's no crop on those guys, okay. And

483
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: I have some prima cane blackberries and raspberries, but they

484
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: survived anyway that I just cut down and I'll get

485
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: crop in like starting in late July August. Yeah, so

486
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: the floracane crop usually comes first and then when your

487
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: primate caanes come later. That's why they often call them

488
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: fall rasberries. On the raspberries, they're really not a fall.

489
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: They start in the mid summer.

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00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. What are the ever bearing? I mean I see

491
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: that name.

492
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: A lot everbearing would be a primacaine type fruiting where

493
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: you you you don't prune them down to the ground,

494
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: you'll get the floricane crop in June. Each early June,

495
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: and then later in the summer the new growth will.

496
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: Get okay, So the floricanes you get kind of maybe

497
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: two crops out of yes, no prima chane okay, and

498
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: the floricane is just the one correct. And that's the

499
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: whole terminology is really confusing because you have the different

500
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: growth types that are referred to as primacine or floricane,

501
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: but then they also group them as a primacaine fruiter

502
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: or a floricane. It's just you see how confusing.

503
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Speaker 3: It does.

504
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: Get confusing really fast. Yeah, you should write a book

505
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: and solve you just layout this.

506
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: I should have done that before this show.

507
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, now somebody else is on it right now. They're

508
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: right typing away like mad. My head is spinning. Let's

509
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: take a break and we'll come back. We'll finish this conversation. Uh,

510
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: and we'll just let's try to just give people good

511
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Speaker 2: like good plants to get. Yeah, all this theory and everything,

512
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Speaker 2: all right, you are listening to that's guard with Scott Berlin.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back with Mark Wessel and more on raspberries

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Speaker 2: at least for now until I say something dumb, until

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Speaker 2: let's go Scott Berlin. And we are trying trying hard

537
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: to untangle the web that is blackberries and raspberries. And

538
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Speaker 2: you did your best, but I'm still confused. But we're

539
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Speaker 2: going to move away from the theory, away from you know,

540
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: all the differences and this and that.

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Speaker 4: And.

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00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: Now I want, yeah, we want to know. What everybody

543
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: wants to know is like what should I grow? So

544
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: you know, what should we grow?

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00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's just start with red raspberries. Okay, I've

546
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: tried a whole lot of red raspberries, and now breeders.

547
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: Breeders are really mainly focusing on those autumn or prime

548
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: chain varieties and thornlessness too, which is nice. So the

549
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: I like raspberries for the Midwest and Northeast in our

550
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: general area from Cornell they're breeding program university. One My

551
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: latest favorite is called Crimson Blush. It's kind of a

552
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: salmony colored berry, large fruit, big panicles of raspberries like

553
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: there could be you know, let's say a hundred or

554
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: fifty to one hundred on one thing. It's just easy

555
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: to pick and raspberries. Raspberries do best and taste best

556
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: in northern areas where you have cooler nights and cool

557
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: day temperatures. But this one still tastes great even in

558
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: the heat of our summer. And then you get this

559
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: late crop so that it's just.

560
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: A what was that one called again, Crimson blush. Crimson

561
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: Blush relatively new in Anxiety. It's a red raspberry that

562
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: isn't red.

563
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: Right, and it's a kind of your traditional taller I

564
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: mean it turns red, oh actually, but it's ripe at

565
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: this SALMONI okay. And then there's other Crimson series that

566
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Speaker 3: I like, Crimson Night and Crimson Treasure. There that whereas

567
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: Blush is a taller one, more traditional raspberry, the other two,

568
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Speaker 3: Treasure and Night are kind of erect, shorter canes. They

569
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Speaker 3: can almost stand on their own, probably could, and the

570
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: fruit load is all in the same zone, so it's

571
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: all right there. You don't have to lift up canes

572
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: to find it. And they taste very good. They are

573
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: too great performer. They're both you can get if you

574
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: manage them properly. You can get June crop and then

575
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: a later in the summer fall crop on all the

576
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: ones I mentioned.

577
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: And that's a real treat to get that second round.

578
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: It is, it is, And if you just don't want

579
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: to fuss with all that fancy pruning with the primate

580
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 3: cane in late winter, you can just prune the whole

581
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: thing down and then you'll get one big mid to

582
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 3: late summer crop.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you can't go wrong on that one.

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00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's perfect and it's an easy way

585
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: to do it, okay. Yeah. Yeah, So you know, I

586
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 3: like all those in the red, but there's all kinds

587
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: of good traditional red raspberries out there.

588
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. One that you gave me was Carolina.

589
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: Oh Carolina. It's sort of after Heritage, which is a

590
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: very famous red raspberry prima cane fruiter as well. Okay,

591
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: and Caroline is very good. That's a that was one

592
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: of my favorites and doesn't get root rod as easy

593
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: as some of the other raspberries.

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00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question issue to raise. Are these

595
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: pretty easy to grow without, you know, pesticides, without fungicides whatever.

596
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the most part of the most things, I mean,

597
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: I don't spray my I mean commercial growers. Of course,

598
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: these monocrops they have to spray something, But in general,

599
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: I don't spray my berry crops. No, And you just

600
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: have to good well drained soils the key to.

601
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: Good well drained. Yeah, what about black raspberries?

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00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: Black raspberries, there's not a huge amount of diversity in

603
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: black raspberries. They haven't been able to, you know, tweak

604
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: them too much. But jewel is an outstanding variety, bigger bay,

605
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: a little firmer than the wild ones. Okay, and then

606
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 3: niwatt or sweet repeat. Is this one a home breeder

607
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 3: did and it's a It gets two crops a year.

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00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what. It's very likely that the

609
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: website is to where I can get some material on it. Yeah,

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00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: we get links, and we'll get links and recommendations to

611
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: people on it.

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00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, Scott, there's the purple raspberry.

613
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: We won't go in this. It's a cross between a

614
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 3: black and a red, of course it is. Yeah, So

615
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 3: let's move on from there, all right, let's go to.

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00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: Blackberries then, So what do you recommend for that?

617
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 3: My old standby has always been triple crown. It's what

618
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 3: they call a semi erect. It's kind of this rambling thing.

619
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't grow on the ground, but dependable fruit or

620
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: really good. I remember the first time, right after it

621
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: came out, I was at a fruit meeting and all

622
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: these people gathered around it and we all taste it

623
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: and were blown away. You know, BlackBerry used to be

624
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: real tart, and those old varieties you just you had

625
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: to put a ton of sugar. They were. This thing

626
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: is great. It's still a great berry. So that triple

627
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: Crown is an excellent one. And there's all these varieties

628
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: out of Arkansas now that are a wreck. They're not

629
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: this big, ungangly thing which is a problem. So like Punka,

630
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: these are all floracanes, so just one crop Punkah. There's Washita,

631
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: all these erect varieties. So but these are out of Arkansas,

632
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: the University of Arkansas, which really transformed the BlackBerry growing

633
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: and the BlackBerry fruit production. So but then there are

634
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: primate kane fruiters like that. You get two crops off

635
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: of that. The one of the first really good one

636
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: was Primark Freedom, so thornless, two crops, big berries. And

637
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: then my favorite is one called Sweet Giant. It's kind

638
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: of like Primark Freedom. But I was in the field

639
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: with the breeder and I'm like, man, that's it was

640
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: tasted these berries. They were delicious and big, real big berries.

641
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: And I said, that's a damn night, that's a damn

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Speaker 3: big berry. And the breeders said yeah, and it tastes

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Speaker 3: damn good. So that was a fun interaction. We don't

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Speaker 3: put that in the copy on it, okay, don't. Yeah,

645
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Speaker 3: you probably shouldn't have said it on the air. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: but there's other good ones. There are some ow in

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Speaker 3: North Carolina that are you know, they even do alright here.

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Speaker 3: But Vaughan and Irwin, is it easier any different to

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Speaker 3: grow blackberries? And it is raspberries. Blackberries are not as

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Speaker 3: hardy going north, and raspberrieses don't red, raspberries don't earnest,

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00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: productive and good in the south. They grow different. Blackberries

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00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: are a little tougher more they're just tough plants. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a little pruning differences and yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well you know I've seen where some people, you know,

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Speaker 2: train them on wires.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's especially for the semi erect all of them.

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Speaker 3: It's good to have some sort of trail scene because

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Speaker 3: even the erect varieties, when they get that fruit on them,

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00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: they're heavy and they tend to flop over. So you

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Speaker 3: can either do a single you know, a single post

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Speaker 3: with like three wires, not a single you know post

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Speaker 3: on each end and three wires and tie them to that.

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Speaker 3: Or you can do a like a T post I've

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Speaker 3: seen that and and train them between the Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it's it's important really, I mean, otherwise they're just

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Speaker 3: going to go like crazy and root in everywhere they

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Speaker 3: want to do that.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, what about for the you know, just good.

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Speaker 3: Soil, maybe light fertilization. They don't they don't need too

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Speaker 3: much unless you're really deplete. But pruning's a big, big

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Speaker 3: thing on that right now. I just finished my pruning,

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Speaker 3: but I had to prune all the blackberries to the ground,

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Speaker 3: but at my spot because they froze to the ground.

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Speaker 3: But if what you usually do is trim out the

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Speaker 3: dead canes and then the the new canes that are

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Speaker 3: going to have, the canes that will fruit this year,

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Speaker 3: you chop them. You cut them back to about twelve inches,

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Speaker 3: so you have your main cane and all the little branches.

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Speaker 3: You want to cut those branches back to around twelve inches.

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Speaker 2: Twelve inches okayah, is there you mentioned you might have

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Speaker 2: a guide on the gardens Live website.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote, it's not a pruning guide, but it's

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Speaker 3: just an explanation of primate cane and flora caane.

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Speaker 2: Well, look for a good guide. Yeah, there's many in

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Speaker 2: the website. Yeah, maybe there's yeah, something you can link.

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Speaker 3: If you use. Jarrett last couple of weeks ago, he

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Speaker 3: gave that hint about googling and putting PDF on.

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Speaker 2: What a great ad.

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Speaker 3: It works excellent for pruning blackberries and raspberries.

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Speaker 2: You get anything where you you really want good information,

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Speaker 2: not just what AI finds amongst all the rubble. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: what else should we know about blackberries and raspberries? We

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Speaker 2: got a minute just there.

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Speaker 3: The cane fruits, they're they're just so easy and so rewarding,

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Speaker 3: and berries are so good for you. Just get some

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Speaker 3: and start growing them and just a few simple you know,

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Speaker 3: you gotta know a little bit about their pruning and

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Speaker 3: they'll reward you with flavorful, healthy berries.

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Speaker 2: I know that we just had the few plants of

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Speaker 2: carolina that that you gave us, and when those come

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Speaker 2: in the fruit, it's like it's joy. I mean, did

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Speaker 2: you see that the raspberries ripe out there?

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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So Mark, when we come back, we're going to have

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Speaker 2: Natalie Carmoli with us talking about hydrangees. She's from Proven Winners,

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Speaker 2: another group of plants that, despite their commonality, out there

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Speaker 2: pretty darn confusing for a lot of people, so we'll

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Speaker 2: get a lot of questions answered. You are listening to

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Speaker 2: let's Cardinal Scott Berlin