1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Michael Tom from South Dakota. I had PTSD yesterday for 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: Indigenous People's Day in South Dakota because now I'm confused 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: when I look at my ancestry. I'm part Norwegian, part Denmark, 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: part German, part Poland, part Jack, part Austria, part French, 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: part in Dutch, part Irish. Oh, and then someone on 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: my mom's side of the family threw in one percent 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: of Southern Italian. 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: Go figure, you're a mutt. Holy cow, you're a mutt. 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: You're a non native native native, non native native. 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: That's so perfect. I love that one. 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: Yes, seventy one sixty, rote Michael. Even in recent years, 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: individuals representing the Sioux s i Oweux the Sioux Indians 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: still petition to get the Black Hills returned because of 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: the violation of the Fort Laramie Treaty. I always wonder 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: if they would be willing to return the hills to 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,639 Speaker 2: the people that the Sioux stole them from. Indians greatly 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: affect wildlife populations, creating sources and sinks based on the 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: distance between the territory boundaries of feuding tribes. Nothing says 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: wildlife conversation like running a bison herd over a Cliff 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: yes or nine seven nine eight, Michael she Kamala, she 21 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: wants the whole story. How about an Africa who also 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: sold slaves? Non white Africans sold slaves. Yep, they profited 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: from selling their own people. And didn't you say that 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 2: she her. 25 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 3: Family had slaves. 26 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 4: Yes, I believe it was her uncle or great uncle. 27 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 4: But that's fine, that's fine. Everybody's got that crazy uncle 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 4: in their family. 29 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm just selling slaves. I mean, what's the 30 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: big deal selling slaves? I mean, come on, was it 31 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: the was he black or was he South Asian? 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: I think the mother is the in the South Asian, 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: So I don't know if it's the uncle Jamaican. 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: Because I think like every people's sold slaves. The Chinese 35 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: had slaves, Japanese had slaves, South Americans, tribes down there 36 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: had slaves, uh twenty five thirty two. And then we'll 37 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: move on. 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: It's for me. 39 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: I just you know, Kamos has been president vice president 40 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: for well she hasn't been anything for like a long time. 41 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 4: But she's an author. She wrote that book. 42 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 3: Well that went off the news past, didn't it? Sure 43 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: did that? Just like you forgot about it. 44 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: I did forget about it, and come to think of it, 45 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: I passed a couple of bookstores, and I mean I 46 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: just kind of glanced in the display in the window. 47 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing the book. 48 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: I think I would have seen what's it called one 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: hundred and seven days or. 50 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: Because they were all sold out? 51 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: Oh oh, okay, all right, uh twenty five thirty two, Mike, Like, 52 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: I kept waiting to hear Kamlas say that if the 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: indigenous people had had a decent border control program, then 54 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: those things wouldn't have happened. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I don't 55 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: I don't know why they didn't have a border control program, 56 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: so we get a border control program. Excuse me, throat. 57 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: It really did kind of begin as an exercise of 58 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: virtue signaling when all of these y'all whoo's in the 59 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: Blue states and blue cities started adopting the sanctuary state 60 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: city policies during Trump one point zero. If you recall 61 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: your ancient history from Trump one point oh, it was 62 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: mostly a pledge, and the pledge was we weren't going 63 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: to have to in local resources, including law enforcement, get 64 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: involved in any efforts by the Trump administration to enforce 65 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: immigration laws in the aftermath of eight years of Obama 66 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: administration of just laxed border enforcement and efforts to regularize 67 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 2: the status of millions of illegal aliens that were already 68 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: here in the country. Then Obama created DOCA, deferred deportation 69 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: under the program called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, and 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: DOCA was just It was truly emblematic of his way 71 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: of using executive branch control of immigration enforcement to adopt 72 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: overt policies of non enforcement of immigration law. You got 73 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: to give Obama credit, he's pretty good at doing that 74 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: kind of crap. When the Trump administration moved in in 75 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, they signaled an attempt to stop those policies, 76 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: to end those policies, and to start removing illegal aliens 77 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: rather than make some sort of deal to create a 78 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: path for citizenship. When that happened, well, the reaction on 79 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: the Democrat Party's progressive left was to resist. And if 80 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: you recall that was the word they used, well, kind 81 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: of like resistance became the watch word for pretty much 82 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: every change or any change in federal policy that was 83 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: sought by Trump during his first term. Remember resistance, we 84 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: are the resistance. That's the background. But what Trump two 85 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: point zero is facing is truly dramatically different than the 86 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: simple non cooperation policies that were put in place by 87 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 2: those Democrat mayors and governors back twenty seventeen. Releasing individuals 88 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: from state customs rather than turning them over to Ice 89 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: for deportation is fundamentally different from directing ordering state and 90 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 2: local enforcements to not respond to unlawful activity by the 91 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 2: population in response to efforts by federal officers to enforce 92 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: federal law. In other words, what's really changed now is 93 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: they're actually directing state and lawman law enforcement, the Denver 94 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: Police warm or or was it was it Chicago where 95 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 2: we had the transmission over the radio of do not respond. 96 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: That's certainly different because now you're basically saying, don't respond 97 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: to unlawful activity, actual crimes that are being committed by 98 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: American citizens and maybe in some cases by illegal aliens too, 99 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: But I'm focused on American citizen here in response to 100 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: these ICE agents just trying to enforce federal law. There's 101 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: been a dramatic shift, and I think we've kind of 102 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: lost sight of that dramatic shift. 103 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: So Trump two point zero. 104 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: Is in essence facing the consequences of an invasion by 105 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: by tens of millions or whatever the freaking number is 106 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: of illegal aliens from all around the world that Biden 107 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: simply opened the gates for. That is an unprecedented factual 108 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: set of circumstances. But at the same time, it is 109 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: being met with a never before see in my entire life, 110 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: I had never before seen of official conduct, actual official, 111 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: authorized conduct by state and local officers to enter now 112 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: it's not just ignoring, but now to actually engage in 113 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: interfere with federal law enforcement, or on the other hand, 114 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: to actually adopt policies that assist the population, just everyday citizens, 115 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: that actually assist them in interfering with enforcement of federal law. 116 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: That is. 117 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: I'm really not trying to be I'm trying to draw 118 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: a reference here. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but 119 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: that's like it's like a civil war of sorts. We've 120 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: got the federal government, under its constitutional mandates. Immigration is 121 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: one of their enumerated powers. We've let this go on 122 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: for decades so that now there are tens of millions, 123 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: whatever the freaking number is of illegal aliens in the country. 124 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: We've said and we've voted for someone to come in 125 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: and enforce it. And we've gone from okay, back in 126 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: toothy seventeen Denver, Colorado will become a sanctuary city and 127 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: sanctuary state simply because we just don't want to cooperate. 128 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: And that has gone across the entire spectrum to where 129 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: now two things actual interference with federal enforcement and then 130 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: adopting policies that assist all of the protesters and the 131 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: NGOs and everybody else to actually help them interfere with 132 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: enforcement of federal law. That's chaos, that is civil war. 133 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: And then not only use civil war as an example. 134 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that this is, you know, people shooting 135 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: each other. Well, I guess we are in some cases, 136 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: but it's the kind of things that break the bonds 137 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: of federalism. It's the kind of thing that breaks what 138 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: keeps the country together, the constitutional order and the rule 139 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: of law. 140 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: So the fundamental principle. 141 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: That the Trump administrate has got to drive home as simple, 142 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: and that is, if you live in if you're a 143 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: resident of say Portland, Chicago, New York, California, Oregon, Washington, 144 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: and Colorado, whatever, you do not have veto power over 145 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: the federal government's enforcement of federal law. 146 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: You don't. 147 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: The only power that you have if you don't like 148 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: what the federal government's doing with regard to enforcing existing 149 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: federal law is to convince either existing members of Congress 150 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: to change the law or to vote those people out 151 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: and vote people in. That will change the law to 152 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: what you want it to change to. But otherwise we 153 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: don't have any veto there's no veto power. The ultimate 154 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: solution if you don't like what's going on is not 155 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 2: to go beat up ice agents. Is not to as 156 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: a governor or a mayor to stop and actually interfere 157 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: with enforcement of federal law. It's not to assist the 158 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: citizens in your state to get by with breaking the law. 159 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: It's if you really want to follow the constitutional order, 160 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: it is to elect different people and turn us into 161 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: just a well we're already turning into a crab whole country. 162 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: But just to elect the people, they will just eliminate 163 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: immigration laws. How I should have saved it when I 164 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: was doing showprep on the plane last night, I ran 165 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: across the. 166 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: Let me see if I can find it real quick. 167 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: Remember Barbara Jordan, the congresswoman that from Houston Harris County. 168 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: She was replaced. She either retired or died. She was 169 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: replaced by Sheila Jackson. Sheila Jackson Lee. So we went 170 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: from an incredible immigration eclips Barbara Jordan. Let me see 171 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: where you find the video videos videos, Hang on. 172 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: Do do do Do Do do do? Here we go, 173 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: let's listen to this one enough. 174 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 5: As Americans, in our culture, we should welcome the legal immigrant. 175 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: We should be able to. 176 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 5: Accommodate diversity in our society. Are we strong enough to 177 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 5: welcome those who ought to be in and retain a 178 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 5: commitment to the rule of law by keeping those out 179 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 5: who shouldn't get in? If we ought to preserve our 180 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 5: immigration tradition and our ability to say yes to the 181 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 5: people who want to get in and seek entrey, we've 182 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 5: got to have the strength to say no to the 183 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 5: people who are not supposed to get in. We need 184 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 5: to make deportation a part of a credible immigration policy. 185 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 5: As a nation commit it to immigrants and the rule 186 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 5: of law. We've got to do that balancing act. The 187 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 5: most urgent immigration problem we face today is the unauthorized 188 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 5: entry of hundreds of thousands of illegals that undermines our 189 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 5: commitment to legal immigration. Although the illegal alien may be 190 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 5: generally law abiding, and particularly in good economic times, maybe 191 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 5: we need the illegals. Their entry and violation of the 192 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 5: law is a violation of our national interest. We believe 193 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 5: a credible approach to immigration must be comprehensive. First, border management. 194 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 5: We support a very simple view about border management. Prevent 195 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 5: illegal interest, facilitate legal ones. The second part of our 196 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 5: strategy work site enforcement. Employment, we believe continues to be 197 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 5: the principal magnet for illegal aliens coming into the country. 198 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: As long as US businesses benefit from illegals on their workforce, 199 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 5: they are not going to try to help us get 200 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 5: on top of the problem. We believe that employer sanctions 201 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 5: must be made to work and enhanced labor standards enforcement 202 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 5: essential components of a strategy to reduce the job magnet. 203 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 5: The third part of our recommendations immigrant eligibility for public benefits. 204 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 5: That's a major one. The command should believes that decisions 205 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 5: about eligibility should support the objectives. 206 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: Of immigration policy. 207 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 5: Using these objectives as a measure of benefit policy, we 208 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 5: come to the following conclusions. First, legal permanent residents should 209 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 5: continue to be eligible for needs tested assistance programs. Our 210 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 5: views on eligibility for benefits of illegal aliens are different 211 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 5: from those benefits that are recommended for legal aliens. If 212 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 5: an alien is in this country lawfully, he should receive 213 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 5: whatever benefits a lawful resident receives. But if a person 214 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 5: is here unlawfully, he should be entitled to no benefits. 215 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: That's a Democrat. That's a black female Democrat to use 216 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: all of their identity politics. I don't know whether she 217 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: was straight or gay, but you got a black female 218 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: Democrat congresswoman from Houston, Texas at doing her report on 219 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: immigration reform, she was the commissioner of this reform commission, saying, no, 220 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: we need to have border control, border management, We need 221 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: to enforce the law. If you're here illegally, you don't 222 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: get benefits. If you are here legally as a legal 223 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: permanent resident, then yes, you would get needs tested benefits 224 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: just like any other person would because we have allowed you. 225 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: You've come here the right way. You see how far 226 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: off the deep end the country is gone. It's it's 227 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: simply amazing. It's amazing to me that we allow all 228 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: this to go on, and nobody. 229 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 3: Seems to recognize that. 230 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: Wow, Democrats are really undermine they're truly undermining law enforcement. 231 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: They're encouraging criminal activity. To mark my words, they know 232 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: exactly what they're doing. 233 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 5: Hey, Michael, here's to Christopher Columbus, the only illegal immigrant 234 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 5: that left. 235 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: Ever hated, that left what ever hated ever? 236 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: Oh oh, the left that the left ever hated again 237 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 2: it yeah, yeah, po o Columbus. So there's Barbara Jordan 238 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: basically explaining that that had to be back in the 239 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 2: in the in the early eighties. And think about how 240 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: far the Democrat Party's gone from. And she was a 241 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: leader of the Democrat Party, very well respected, obviously, very articulate, 242 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: and stood for the rule of law. And now you 243 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 2: actually have Democrat leadership advocating breaking the law. 244 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 3: The Congress of. 245 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: The United States has obviously passed laws regarding immigration procedures, 246 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: and they've passed laws about how illegal aliens found in 247 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: this country, who are here without authorization, who are here illegally, 248 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: how they are to be removed. And then Congress gave 249 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: plenary power, well, I actually say nearly clenary power to 250 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: the executive branch in devising the policies and the processes 251 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: by which those responsibilities. 252 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 3: Will be performed. How will we deport them? Now? 253 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: If a state or local government interferes with that federal authority. 254 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: Here's where you end up. You end up at Title ten, 255 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: section two fifty two. If you've listened to the weekend 256 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: program or you're paying the intention last weekend, you know 257 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: what Title ten, section two fifty two is. Title ten. 258 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: Come on, think about it. Use of militia and armed 259 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: forces to enforce federal authority is the title of section 260 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: two fifty two, and it says verb baden whenever the 261 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion 262 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: against the authority of the United States. Seems to me 263 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: that you even has some Democrat members of Congress. You've 264 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: got democratic city councilmen. You've got Democrat mayors, You've got 265 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: Democrat governors. You've got a lot of Democrats of all stripes, 266 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: of all positions, doing that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, 267 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: or rebellion against the authority of the United States make 268 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States 269 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: in any state. By the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, 270 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: he the President may call into federal service such of 271 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: the militia of any state and use such of the 272 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: armed forces as he considers necessary to enforce those laws 273 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: or to suppress the rebellion. 274 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. Seems pretty clear to me. 275 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: Obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, rebellions against the authority of the 276 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: United States. Now that's quite a distance short of an 277 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: insurrection against the federal government. Instead, what it does, what 278 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: it recognizes, is facts on the ground that state and 279 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: local authorities are not capable of or are unwilling to 280 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 2: maintain an environment in their communities where the federal government 281 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: is able to enforce the law. In other words, if 282 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: you allow chaos or encourage chaos to the point that 283 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: it is showing an unwillingness to allow federal officials to 284 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: do their job. Title tak comes into play, and that 285 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: is the only extent of the justification required for the 286 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: President to impose the conditions under which federal law can 287 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: be enforced. Doesn't mean, despite what you hear, it does 288 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: not mean taking over policing versus or via the military. 289 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: It means that you're going to use the military to 290 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: enforce federal law. Now, there's a second statutory provision sometimes 291 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: gets more attention again, Title ten, but not Section two 292 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: fifty two. Let's go to section two fifty three, the 293 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: very next section. Now, if you understand legislation, and you 294 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: understand the flow at how legislation is written, one follows 295 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: the other. So you've got the baseline in section two 296 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: fifty two. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce 297 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 2: federal authority. Huh, Well, what's section two fifty three interference 298 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: with state and federal law? Verbatim? The President, by using 299 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 2: the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by 300 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: any other means, shall take such measures as he considers 301 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: necessary to suppress in a state any insurrection, domestic violence, 302 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: unlawful combination, or conspiracy iFIT and there's two requirements. If 303 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: if that insurrection, domestic violence, or unlawful combination of any 304 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: of those, or there's a conspiracy, if it hinders the 305 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: execution of the laws of that state. 306 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: And of the United States. 307 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 2: Within that state, that any part or class of its 308 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: people is deprived of a right, a privilege, an immunity, 309 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law 310 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: and the constitute of authorities of that state are unable, 311 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: or they fail or they refuse to protect that right, privilege, 312 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: or immunity or to give that protection. It's number one 313 00:23:54,600 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: or two or that state whatever opposes or abstruct the 314 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: execution of the laws of the United States, or impedes 315 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: the course of justice under those laws, in any situation 316 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: covered by Clause IE, the state shall have considered to 317 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by 318 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 2: the Constitution. H you know what's Democrats upset, just like 319 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: I was upset sitting on Air Force one, wanting to 320 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: invoke this law with regard to Katrina and all of 321 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: the failure to enforce the law and to actually deny 322 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: equal protection of the laws to the citizens of New Orleans. 323 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: Take it out to I went it to the entire 324 00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 2: state of Louisiana, White House Council approval to part and 325 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: the Justice Attorney General approval. All we needed was for 326 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: President Bush to sign off on it, and he wouldn't 327 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: do it. I read an article yesday. I don't have 328 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 2: it in my stuff today, but I'll try to find 329 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: it where somebody from American Conservative or Heritage or someplace 330 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 2: had written an article about that was the biggest failure 331 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: of Katrine was the failure to invoke the Insurrection Act. 332 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: So let's think about those provisions that I just told 333 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: you about and think about. I'm that issue in the 334 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: current standoff between sanctuary cities and states and the Trump administration. 335 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: It is the President shall take such measures as he 336 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: considers necessary to suppress in a state any insurrection, domestic violence, 337 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: unlawful combination, or conspiracy if it opposes or obstructs the 338 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 2: execution of the laws of the United States. Isn't that 339 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 2: precisely what's going on? The import is that Congress has 340 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: already considered how a president shall be allowed to respond 341 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: to unlawful or illegal conduct by state or local officials 342 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: that interferes with federal law enforcement. Congress has already decided 343 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 2: that decades ago. And it's pretty clear if you just 344 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: read the plain text of the statute that the president 345 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: has plenary power to make the decision. Who want Rare 346 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: win and why there's no exception. There is no exception 347 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: written into statutes for demonstrations given support officially or tacitly 348 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: by state and local politicians of the opposition party. There's 349 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 2: no Tenth Amendment protection for this. There is no exception 350 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: neither Section two fifty two or two fifty three that 351 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: I've read you for the state of Illinois or Oregon, 352 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: or cities like Chicago or Portland or Denver to enter 353 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: into any combination with protest organizers who use violence or 354 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: otherwise oppose or obstruct DHS slash Ice in carrying out 355 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 2: the congressionally directed law for deporting illegal aliens. 356 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: Nothing. 357 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: I've mulled this over sitting on a stupid airplane, sitting 358 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: in stupid airport lounge, thinking about talking about this today, 359 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 2: and I cannot combined with a single reason why that 360 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: Trump can't do these things. Now, this whole process begins 361 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: after arrest steps or quote, unlawful combinations taken in advance 362 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 2: of an arrest that interferes with those arrests. Oh, guess 363 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: what you're doing. You're obstructing to execution of federal law. 364 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: You're obstructing justice in particular, you're obstruction to execution of 365 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: federal law. In Layman's terms, you're engaged in obstruction of justice. 366 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: So it is entirely appropriate for the federal government to 367 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: arrest state and local officials, governors, mayors, city councilmen involved 368 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 2: in those efforts. Now, I know, don't get me wrong. 369 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: For every reaction, there's a reaction. And so if this 370 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: is actually enforced. If Trump really wants to go down 371 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: this path, which I wish he would, Oh my god, 372 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: the screams of tyranny are going to just echo everywhere. 373 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, isn't this what we voted for. Isn't 374 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: this what we wanted to do? Huh Yes, and it's 375 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: been done before. 376 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: Well, you're back two. What have I missed? 377 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: Anything? 378 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 5: Good? Oh you guys, I'll catch you tonight. Got heavy back, Michael. 379 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: Good to be back, well said, But I should have 380 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: taken the day off and slept all day. But I'll 381 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: catch up. I'll catch up. We've talked about the Insurrection 382 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: Act before, but it's been primarily under the president's authority 383 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: under different sections, not under the very specific statues of 384 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: the Insurrection part of the Insurrection Act. And it's been 385 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: used before. I've gone through different examples of where it's 386 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: been used before. And don't let the fact that, well, 387 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: some of these aren't that old. 388 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 389 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: Bush forty one federalized the National Guard in ninety two 390 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 2: to suppress the riots following the verdicts in the raw 391 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: Me King case, and of course we went through Kennedy. 392 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: He ordered various units of the one hundred and eighth 393 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: Cavalry Regiment and eventually told of more than thirteen thousand 394 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: military personnel to secure the campus at Old Miss and 395 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: then again to suppress the violent protests by about twenty 396 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: five hundred people that were opposing desegregation of the school. Eisenhower, 397 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: we talked about Eisenhower doing it in Little Rock Cleveland. 398 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: President Cleveland sent federal troops to the Pullman Railroad Company 399 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: strike to by those four thousand railway strikers. Back in 400 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: eighteen ninety we'll just say eighteen nineties. 401 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 3: Somewhere in there. President Grant invoked it. 402 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: Why the KKK tried to enforce the Reconstruction Acts in 403 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: the former Confederate States. He did it multiple times after 404 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: the Civil War. President Jackson did it to quell the 405 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: Matt Turner slave Rebellion. 406 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: I don't remember the year. 407 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: The earliest that I can recall was in response to 408 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: the Whiskey Rebellion in seventeen ninety one, President Washington marched 409 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: thirteen thousand militia out of Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, and 410 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania into western Pennsylvania to suppress the rebellion over the 411 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: imposition of a federal tax on whiskey that wasn't in 412 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: opposition to the authority of the United States as a whole, 413 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: as District Judge April Perry and Chicago claimed last week 414 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: that it was necessary really talk about rewriting history.