Speaker 1: From We are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings
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Speaker 1: legendary offensive lineman Bruce Kozerski, and we're breaking down the
Speaker 1: bengals thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the New
Speaker 1: York Jets at pay Course Stadium like a wrecking ball.
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Speaker 1: seven nine, seven thousand or one eight hundred the Big
Speaker 1: One and Bruce. I've been following the Bengals since their
Speaker 1: inception in nineteen sixty eight. In this game today ranks
Speaker 1: near the top of one of the most disappointing, upsetting,
Speaker 1: embarrassing losses in memory because it came against a terrible
Speaker 1: seven New York Jets team and on of all days.
Speaker 2: The Ring of Honor Game, The Ring of Honor honoring.
Speaker 1: Dave Lapham and leap and Lamar Parrish, and the Bengals
Speaker 1: led this game throughout ten to nothing, seventeen to three,
Speaker 1: twenty four to ten, thirty one to sixteen, thirty eight
Speaker 1: to twenty four, and they lose thirty nine to thirty eight.
Speaker 1: How in the world do you explain this?
Speaker 3: Ah in seven, they're all in seven, there are at
Speaker 3: home fourteen point lead with ten minutes ago. My wife
Speaker 3: and I had a gout to get to the show
Speaker 3: on time. So by the time we got to the
Speaker 3: lower concourse, they were down by eight or down by six.
Speaker 3: And then we get to the car and they scored.
Speaker 3: The Jets scored the league that the touch ONWN and
Speaker 3: go ahead. It's frightening, it's frightening. You just can't have
Speaker 3: enough points.
Speaker 1: This defense is absolutely terrible, terrible.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You score thirty eight points and you lose this football game. Now,
Speaker 1: as bad as the defense is. Near the end of
Speaker 1: this game, in the fourth quarter, after the Bengals final touchdown,
Speaker 1: they three and out and then they melt down on
Speaker 1: their final drive.
Speaker 3: I know for three weeks we were talking about how bad.
Speaker 3: This Bengals offense is right. Joe Fokker comes in here
Speaker 3: and now they're going up and down the field scoring points.
Speaker 3: You can't say at the end of the game that
Speaker 3: one series where they went three and now, now that
Speaker 3: was a critical three and out, but all game on
Speaker 3: a great job. It's it was the first quarter our
Speaker 3: defense was playing lights out. The second quter that just
Speaker 3: made some adjustments and all of a sudden, you can't
Speaker 3: stop the pass. And then we make some adjustments and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you can't stop the run. Now
Speaker 3: you got defenders on all parts of the defense. You
Speaker 3: gotta be able to stop both of them. Occasionally, nothing,
Speaker 3: nothing was pathetic.
Speaker 1: The New York Jets were zero and seven, but they
Speaker 1: had five losses within a touchdown, within a score. Two
Speaker 1: points against Pittsburgh, two point loss to Tampa Bay, six
Speaker 1: point lost to Miami, two point loss to Denver, a
Speaker 1: seven point loss to the Carolina Panthers. And today they
Speaker 1: come into pay Course Stadium and somehow, some way win
Speaker 1: this game thirty nine to thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Their offense hadn't been producing, the defense was playing very
Speaker 3: well all year long. Yes, today they're played terribly. We
Speaker 3: had the Bengals had one hundred and ninety yards rushing.
Speaker 3: When's the last time that happened? Right, we had a
Speaker 3: very balanced offense passing and throwing. But now now their
Speaker 3: offense plays lights out because it's against our defense. So
Speaker 3: what is the problem is that our offense is our defense.
Speaker 3: They're not playing complimentary ball. That ball they haven't done
Speaker 3: it all year long.
Speaker 1: The Jets roll up five hundred and two total offensive
Speaker 1: yards against the Bengals, three ninety eight, two forty eight passing,
Speaker 1: and the Bengals defense gets lit up, trampled for two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four rushing yards by the New York Jets.
Speaker 2: It is just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: There on that touchdown run, you're the goal line for
Speaker 1: the Jets. I'm watching it and there's four guys for
Speaker 1: the Bengals lined up on the right side, and the
Speaker 1: running back just runs to the left side, untouched into
Speaker 1: the end zone.
Speaker 2: Why can't the linebackers.
Speaker 1: Fill the gaps and tackle somebody. The tackling is the
Speaker 1: poorest in the National Football League on the part of
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 4: I'm sitting up in the where I was watching.
Speaker 3: I had pretty good seats and and uh they they
Speaker 3: had an extra offensive lineman on the field and two
Speaker 3: tight ends, and many of the times they lined those
Speaker 3: all those extra guys off to the same side, and
Speaker 3: our defensive line never shifted over. No, no, never shifted over.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking that would be the worst. That would be
Speaker 3: the first thing they would do against the offense line
Speaker 3: that I played on. You know, as good as we
Speaker 3: had Anthony moves over there, if we got an extra
Speaker 3: line with the Joe Walter and two tight ends outside,
Speaker 3: they're gonna overshift it that direction. We would expect them
Speaker 3: to nothing.
Speaker 4: There we are. It's a credible loss.
Speaker 1: Yes, unexpected five seven nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred,
Speaker 1: the big one. Bad football makes for great radio. We'll
Speaker 1: say that. Uh, this is the place to vent. Okay,
Speaker 1: thirty nine to thirty eight. I mean, an unbelievably beautiful day.
Speaker 1: You're honoring Dave Lapham and my good friend leap and
Speaker 1: Lamar Parrish, the most electrifying player who has ever worn
Speaker 1: a Cincinnati Bengals jersey, leaping Lamar. No one has has
Speaker 1: accomplished what that guy has accomplished. Every time he touched
Speaker 1: the ball, he was thinking to the house, just an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing player. To have them both here and you're playing
Speaker 1: against the Jets and you lose on Ring of Honor Day.
Speaker 2: It is just embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh as as a former player sitting up
Speaker 3: there with all those alumni had been that had come
Speaker 3: back for this game, it was it was frustrated every
Speaker 3: one of us, but you had a feeling at some
Speaker 3: point that it was going to happen, because no matter
Speaker 3: how many times we scored, they came right back down
Speaker 3: score to catch up. In the day we scored, then
Speaker 3: they got the two for at halftime because they got
Speaker 3: the field goal right before halftime, and then they got
Speaker 3: the touchdown after half.
Speaker 4: Times like, oh here we go.
Speaker 1: And I was secretly hoping that Chase Brown would go
Speaker 1: down at the one instead of pushing his way into
Speaker 1: the end zone kills some time there to not let
Speaker 1: them get the ball back. So but Brown scored the touchdown.
Speaker 1: They did get down there and kick a field goal.
Speaker 2: At the end of the half.
Speaker 1: So but the second half and that last quarter, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: the Jets and Justin Fields.
Speaker 3: I think I don't think Chase Brown thought about for
Speaker 3: a second not scorer right there, because as often as
Speaker 3: often as he's run the ball, how hard has it
Speaker 3: been to get one yard? There are games when he
Speaker 3: couldn't get a yard up the.
Speaker 1: Field, Yes, and two two point conversions on the part
Speaker 1: of the Jets, And once they got within six, with
Speaker 1: plenty of time to go, uh seven fifty two to go,
Speaker 1: you could just see what was coming.
Speaker 3: There was that that's traditionally what happens here instead of
Speaker 3: being able to come down ice it. Now we have occasionally,
Speaker 3: but that's that's not been the staple. What the staple
Speaker 3: has been is that when we have that kind of lead,
Speaker 3: we give up the points and they come back and
Speaker 3: win too many, too many times too often. And it's
Speaker 3: sad because you know, the organization has done everything they
Speaker 3: can put and putting good players on the roster, and
Speaker 3: at this some point they're just not performing. I saw
Speaker 3: was coaches in certain spots, players in certain spots being weak,
Speaker 3: not playing well. But you know, here we are again
Speaker 3: looking at a situation we should have been, should have
Speaker 3: been five hundred going and another game with the Bears
Speaker 3: and a bye week and things looking good, and now
Speaker 3: we're second guesting ourselves again.
Speaker 1: Everybody except the New York Chats had the Bengals easily
Speaker 1: winning this football game. Kay, Garrett Wilson didn't play their
Speaker 1: best wide receiver, and yeah, so many players down.
Speaker 2: For the Jets.
Speaker 4: But yeh, that's why they play the game.
Speaker 1: It's the NFL any given Sunday, and this was the
Speaker 1: Sunday for the New York Jets.
Speaker 3: And I go back a week and say, who would
Speaker 3: have expected the Bengals to beat the Steelers?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: So what it turned around in eleven days, the highest
Speaker 1: high on a Thursday night, beating the Pittsburgh Steelers and
Speaker 1: playing great, and then the lowest of the low today
Speaker 1: losing to the Jets. And the Bengals let them hang
Speaker 1: around and hang around, and they get clipped at the end.
Speaker 1: It was a It turned into a track meet, and
Speaker 1: the Jets crossed the finish line first.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of a team that's that's closed. They
Speaker 3: have all the pieces and sometimes the gears click and
Speaker 3: sometimes they just fall flat. And then that seems to
Speaker 3: be what we're getting here, is when the when the
Speaker 3: machine's going smoothly, all the gears are clicking, and they
Speaker 3: score a lot of points.
Speaker 4: Defense plays well.
Speaker 3: Had not seen a complete game where all three phases
Speaker 3: of the game, Aymoor are on the same page. Uh.
Speaker 3: Even today we had one kickoff late in the game.
Speaker 3: We had that it was that one. We had the
Speaker 3: fourteen lead in the fourth quarter, we kicked the ball
Speaker 3: into the end zone instead of making them return, so
Speaker 3: they get the ball in thirty five instead of the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: He's Bruce Kazerski. This is Chick Ludwig.
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Speaker 2: Oh. I want to say, who Day.
Speaker 1: I wanted this to be a victory on Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor Day, but it's a big time downer. Nevertheless, it's
Speaker 1: awesome to be here at Wings and Rings on beat
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Speaker 1: The Beachmont Wings and Rings five O nine Ohio Pike
Speaker 1: Chick Ludwig alongside Bruce Kazerski. If you're listening to the
Speaker 1: Tri State Chevy Dealers postgame sports Talk presented by RNL Carriers,
Speaker 1: Bengals fall to the New York Jets thirty nine to
Speaker 1: thirty eight. We're breaking it down like a wrecking ball,
Speaker 1: and we're taking your calls. And first up here is
Speaker 1: Kyle in Fairfield. Kyle, are you there.
Speaker 5: I'm here, man, Just try to find me off the ledge.
Speaker 2: All right, Yes, I'm there. I went overboard.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 7: I have so many things to say. I'm trying to
Speaker 7: keep it short.
Speaker 2: All right, Please do thank you.
Speaker 5: I had a lot of faith in my defense.
Speaker 7: I had a lot of faith in our defense.
Speaker 5: Last week, coming off that Thursday.
Speaker 7: We got the stops when we needed to, Okay.
Speaker 5: And then today comes and we.
Speaker 8: Just can't stop Junior varsity middle school team.
Speaker 7: I just don't get it.
Speaker 5: The Jets had so many guys out. They were playing.
Speaker 8: Their second third train guys, and I don't get it,
Speaker 8: Like there's just nothing that that can be done until
Speaker 8: our whole coaching staff is gone. I've lost faith. Please
Speaker 8: talk me out of it. I'm pretty much giving up
Speaker 8: on the season. I would I would think that if
Speaker 8: we got to win today it would have been all right.
Speaker 8: But with the results today, I'm done. Please talk me
Speaker 8: out of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Kyle, appreciate the call. Thanks so much. Uh.
Speaker 1: We talked, Bruce when you came in that they just
Speaker 1: the coverage got soft in the zone and and then
Speaker 1: Justin Fields picked him apart.
Speaker 2: And the tackling was awful.
Speaker 3: It seemed to be in the first quarter everything that
Speaker 3: the Bengals did on defense was working. They were getting
Speaker 3: tackles for losses, they were breaking up passes. I mean,
Speaker 3: the owner of the Jets was criticizing their starting quarterback
Speaker 3: last week, yes, and and blaming everything on him, so
Speaker 3: he put extra pressure on this guy. So the guy's
Speaker 3: gonna play great. He didn't play great. He just played
Speaker 3: okay because there was so much room and so many
Speaker 3: places for him to throw the ball with receivers that
Speaker 3: weren't the starting receivers. It's you know, we had we had,
Speaker 3: we had a nice two score lead early. We got safe.
Speaker 3: You got safe, you give up a score. So then
Speaker 3: we come back and we get a score. So you
Speaker 3: play safe again, you give a score. And it was
Speaker 3: a back and forth, and then it was only a
Speaker 3: matter of time before our offense eventually had a miss. Yes,
Speaker 3: you know, and and it seemed like when that happened,
Speaker 3: they just I don't understand that that game is a.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a sixty minute game.
Speaker 3: Unless you play your your your back, your butt off
Speaker 3: for four quarters, that you can't win in this league.
Speaker 4: You got to you can't play safe.
Speaker 2: Ever, Pat is in Redding. Pat, Are you there.
Speaker 9: Just a couple of points about the defense, then I
Speaker 9: have a specific question about the offense. Only our defense
Speaker 9: could make the Jets look good. I mean, they scored
Speaker 9: six points against the Panthers and thirty nine against US.
Speaker 10: Unbelievable.
Speaker 9: I can't imagine that there's any team in the NFL
Speaker 9: that has the worst defense. I think that lou and Arumo.
Speaker 9: Isn't he with the Colts now?
Speaker 11: I mean he was apparently the sacrificial lamb last year.
Speaker 11: It's not the coach, it's the players. And then finally
Speaker 11: my question about the offense. I don't know if either
Speaker 11: one of you saw this, but they re showed the
Speaker 11: third down play at the end of the game and
Speaker 11: they said that Flacco had no one to throw to.
Speaker 11: They showed it from the from the from Flacco's viewpoint,
Speaker 11: and it looked to me like Jamar was open.
Speaker 9: Am I crazy? I mean, would Joe Burrow not have
Speaker 9: tried to throw it to him? That's the one where
Speaker 9: he just threw it way out about do you know
Speaker 9: what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I believe in my heart of hearts that
Speaker 3: the Joe Flockele thought Joe Burrow thought Chase was open,
Speaker 3: he had thrown the ball. I think he throws in
Speaker 3: the ball when he's not open sometimes because he trusts
Speaker 3: He trusts him that much. But there are things that
Speaker 3: you just can't see. Sometimes you're you're you. You gotta
Speaker 3: play called and your your route choice takes you one, two, three,
Speaker 3: and and Chase might have been the third route on
Speaker 3: that and then he got flushed from the pocket, didn't
Speaker 3: have then he had his eyes got changed, and now
Speaker 3: he doesn't see Jamar getting open. So everything, anything can happen. Uh,
Speaker 3: quarterbacks got so much going on in the backfield. He's
Speaker 3: got to feel the pass rush, not look at the
Speaker 3: pass rush, because he if.
Speaker 4: He looks at the pass rush, he can't see downfield.
Speaker 3: He's got to to go through his route progression in
Speaker 3: a in a prescribed order. He can't make it up
Speaker 3: as he goes. And uh, you know, based on what
Speaker 3: they're showing, Chase was getting double covers late in the game.
Speaker 3: Maybe he shouldn't have been open. Maybe that's why he
Speaker 3: never got there.
Speaker 9: Okay, and oh, one thing I forgot Henderson obviously.
Speaker 10: Didn't look like him fell.
Speaker 9: Is there anybody that thinks like me that it wouldn't
Speaker 9: be surprising if he doesn't play another down this year.
Speaker 4: No, he's hurt.
Speaker 3: He's hurting, and he got hurt on the play in
Speaker 3: in the Pittsburgh game. I saw that one where he
Speaker 3: got hit by he got chipped on by a running back,
Speaker 3: and then he got hit again today, uh and stopped,
Speaker 3: and I think it might have reaggravated it.
Speaker 4: Fortunately, Fortunately, I hope it's fortunate they got the barriers in.
Speaker 3: Then the bye week that might give him the two
Speaker 3: or three weeks he needs to get that hit back
Speaker 3: in shape, because today was an experiment. They played him
Speaker 3: to see if it would hold up, and obviously.
Speaker 2: It didn't, not making any not making any.
Speaker 4: But same defense that played without him last week.
Speaker 1: He got pushed on a on a uh, he got
Speaker 1: pushed and it was blatant right in front of the
Speaker 1: referee and no flat was called. And on that play
Speaker 1: he reacted cravated his hip.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, we noticed that.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Pad appreciate it.
Speaker 1: The critical series once Breese Hall went right around right
Speaker 1: end for twenty seven yards and then the two point conversion, okay,
Speaker 1: to pull the Jets within thirty eight to thirty two.
Speaker 1: The Bengals go three and out, and that that really hurt,
Speaker 1: because the Jets took over was six point fifty to go.
Speaker 1: Put together another the scoring drive and the Breese Hall
Speaker 1: and when you're zero and seven, you're gonna pull out
Speaker 1: all the stops. A half back pass to a tight
Speaker 1: end Mason Taylor from Breese Hall, and.
Speaker 3: I would I would have expected that to happen earlier
Speaker 3: in the game, no doubt, kept it in their pocket
Speaker 3: till it early mattered.
Speaker 4: That's exactly I was thinking about that multiple time. It's
Speaker 4: not the game.
Speaker 3: You know, in certain situations, this is a long thirty
Speaker 3: young long yard situation, you get some kind of a
Speaker 3: reverse toss pass or or some ik gimmicky play where
Speaker 3: you get a receiver wide open because you're pursuing a
Speaker 3: different play. But then then happened till that point.
Speaker 2: Devon is in Ashland. Are you there?
Speaker 4: Devon?
Speaker 7: Yes, I am.
Speaker 2: How are you guys hanging in?
Speaker 12: Well, we've all taken blood pressure medicine to that terrible
Speaker 12: collapse by a defensive team. Mike Brown or the GM
Speaker 12: should have stopped sack Taylor and the defensive coordinator before
Speaker 12: going into the locker room and said, you are a
Speaker 12: relief of your duties. Don't come back here anymore. It
Speaker 12: was terrible.
Speaker 1: Devin appreciate that. Uh yeah, the frustration by fans, I
Speaker 1: can oh, you can hear it. You could hear it
Speaker 1: in the caller's voices, Thank you very much. It has
Speaker 1: to be working its way through.
Speaker 3: The organization have to chain and as I said earlier,
Speaker 3: you know, Zach's gonna put some points on the board,
Speaker 3: but the control of the organization and all the other
Speaker 3: stuff that goes along with it. They haven't played three
Speaker 3: phases really in a long time.
Speaker 4: And and you know, you make choices as a head
Speaker 4: coach and you got to live with them. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There were so many great drive starts by the Jets
Speaker 1: and the Bengals drive starts not very good.
Speaker 4: Well, but they moved the ball up and down the field.
Speaker 3: They really did it, with the exception of the one
Speaker 3: or two times, uh in my opinion that we did
Speaker 3: punt the ball. We got we got some really nice
Speaker 3: efforts down get him in a rather ten yard line,
Speaker 3: twelve yard line? Uh, give him some long fields to
Speaker 3: work with. Uh, but you can't stop somebody. How is
Speaker 3: it that you're so up and down from week to week?
Speaker 3: You know when, like for three weeks the city was
Speaker 3: crying about the interceptions and the ineptitude, the inability to
Speaker 3: run the ball on offense and all the chaos going on.
Speaker 3: And so the defense were they playing well or were
Speaker 3: it was the offense playing bad? Now that you really
Speaker 3: didn't notice the defense, And now the defense has an
Speaker 3: opportunity to stop somebody and they can't, And it's frustrated.
Speaker 3: As a fan, I get it a bit on all
Speaker 3: sides of this.
Speaker 4: Believe me.
Speaker 3: I played for a long time and seen a lot
Speaker 3: of bad football, and I just hope that at some
Speaker 3: point this group gets it together, because if not, then
Speaker 3: by the time Joe Burrow is ready to come back,
Speaker 3: it won't much matter. And right now, it's not the
Speaker 3: quarterbacking that's going on, as Cousin's problem, the team to
Speaker 3: lose games.
Speaker 2: Hey, we're going out to Boston with John. Are you there? John?
Speaker 6: Yes, sir chick?
Speaker 2: How you doing? Bruce?
Speaker 13: Nice and talk to you, fellow. Yes, sir John, Yes,
Speaker 13: sir Chick, you have a Hall of Fame voice for radio.
Speaker 13: Let me tell you that much. You are fantastic. Who's
Speaker 13: your knowledge is perfect? So I'm so glad to get
Speaker 13: a chance to speak to you guys.
Speaker 14: Not to blame the offense when you score thirty eight points,
Speaker 14: but who's is an offensive lineman?
Speaker 5: Do you think they abandoned the run a little bit?
Speaker 14: They only had twenty three rushers today, and they had
Speaker 14: a two score lead for most of that game. It
Speaker 14: seemed like they weren't off winning the football, but they
Speaker 14: suffed themselves occasionally in a couple of key situations.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how many total plays they had. Twenty
Speaker 3: two rushers might have been about almost half half the plays.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, in the total plays, seventy to fifty eight, Yeah,
Speaker 1: seventy to fifty eight on the.
Speaker 2: Part of the chest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can also have to add some of
Speaker 3: those some of those little little quick passes to Jamar
Speaker 3: are considered runs. He catch the ball at the last
Speaker 3: screwage and scories for five or six yards. That's almost
Speaker 3: considered a run anymore in the NFL. So it really
Speaker 3: it's really confusing. When you look at just the run
Speaker 3: past stats, it's a complete pass and against six yards
Speaker 3: on that's that's a run because you're you're throwing it.
Speaker 3: You get two blockers to beat three defenders, and you're
Speaker 3: gonna get six yards.
Speaker 4: That's a that's a win.
Speaker 2: It is, John a great point.
Speaker 10: Great point.
Speaker 14: One more thing about the defense. I think a lot
Speaker 14: of the problems with the defense. Jerry Montgomery, the defensive
Speaker 14: line coach, is a disaster with.
Speaker 5: The Patriots last year. They're giving up two fewer yards
Speaker 5: per play this year.
Speaker 14: Than they did last year when he's the D line coach.
Speaker 14: He was also the D line coach at the Green
Speaker 14: Bay Packers in twenty nineteen when they will gassed at
Speaker 14: ten yards to carry in the NFC Championship game. I'm
Speaker 14: just as you guys said, the defensive line looked drunk
Speaker 14: out there, like they wouldn't even recognize what was taking
Speaker 14: place at John.
Speaker 1: With that, we've reached the top of the hour break.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate the call. He's Bruce Caserski. This is Chick Ludwig.
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Speaker 2: It will break it down the Bengals thirty nine.
Speaker 1: To thirty eight loss to the New York Jets at
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Speaker 1: calling five P one three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, one,
Speaker 1: eight hundred, the Big One and Bruce. The Bengals led
Speaker 1: this game thirty one to sixteen after three quarters, and
Speaker 1: then they get outscored twenty three to seven in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: I've seen things happen.
Speaker 3: You know, at the end of the game, you know
Speaker 3: you're back against the wall, you're down by that many points.
Speaker 3: You open it up to say, we gotta throw caution
Speaker 3: to the wind. If there's a chance, we got to
Speaker 3: just throw caution to the wind. An attack, attack, attack.
Speaker 3: But I've also seen defenses make it a lot more
Speaker 3: difficult than that. I don't know how many times I
Speaker 3: guess you can count maybe in under ten in the
Speaker 3: last decade. How many teams have scored that many points
Speaker 3: in one quarter when they're down in it?
Speaker 4: When they have, they struggled really all game and.
Speaker 1: The wild swings this year Bruce with the thirty eight
Speaker 1: point blowout loss at Minnesota forty eight to ten, the
Speaker 1: most lopsided loss in Bengal's history, and then today easily
Speaker 1: one of the most disappointing, upsetting, and embarrassing losses that
Speaker 1: I could think of in memory.
Speaker 3: I know sometimes it's hard to find the right thing,
Speaker 3: to do, the right solution, but there are times there
Speaker 3: are very often, all too often with this team, it
Speaker 3: seems like they don't have a solution. They can't they
Speaker 3: can't find one, whether it's physically or whether it's schmatically,
Speaker 3: to stop whatever is hurting them. And today they couldn't
Speaker 3: stop the run and they couldn't stop the past. After
Speaker 3: the first quarter again, I thought, the first quarter, I'm yelling,
Speaker 3: I'm talking to all the Bengals greats that were sitting
Speaker 3: around me. I thought, you know, who is this team?
Speaker 3: Who is this defense? And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: second quarter started. It was a different team.
Speaker 1: All we heard about all week was putting the boot
Speaker 1: on the throat of this team and crushing them early
Speaker 1: and crushing their spirit early. But they kept fighting back
Speaker 1: in the Bengals let them hang around, and hang around.
Speaker 1: The defense got soft and twenty three points in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and they shocked the Bengals thirty nine to
Speaker 1: thirty eight.
Speaker 4: It looked like the Jets just got off the bus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't get off the bus the first quarter, the
Speaker 3: second quarter, turn around, and all of a sudden, they're
Speaker 3: all a sudden.
Speaker 4: There a whole different team.
Speaker 1: They missed a fourth and inches first down, they go
Speaker 1: for it deepen their own territory. Don't get it. The
Speaker 1: Bengals capitalize on that score a touchdown, go up ten
Speaker 1: to nothing. And you heard Dan Hord during the broadcast.
Speaker 1: He disagreed with several of Aaron Glenn's calls. Now they're
Speaker 1: on the plus side of the fifty and they kicked
Speaker 1: the field goal. They're on the by the side of
Speaker 1: the fifty. They go forward on fourth and one and
Speaker 1: don't get it. So but the combination of their field goals,
Speaker 1: their touchdowns, they're two point conversions, and then the Bengals
Speaker 1: offense breaking down late in this game, and to add
Speaker 1: it all up and it's uh, the Bengals fall really
Speaker 1: nine to thirty eight? What a difference one point makes?
Speaker 3: I was on an one seventeen and you can't find
Speaker 3: the right thing. You You're searching and searching and searching.
Speaker 3: It seems like everything you do goes wrong. It's always
Speaker 3: somebody's turned to mess it up. And that's what happened
Speaker 3: late in that game. We just we couldn't find enough
Speaker 3: defense to get on the field.
Speaker 2: Do we have Penny in Middletown.
Speaker 16: I got a question on Need's Monday explain, okay, all right,
Speaker 16: crushing the spirits? Well, come on, I don't understand how
Speaker 16: many times I've seen Zach Taylor first play the game.
Speaker 16: We're going for the touchdown, you know, the guys they
Speaker 16: want to make it the once, and he says, oh, no,
Speaker 16: let's just kick a field goal. I mean, it's the
Speaker 16: beginning game, there's no points. Why not go for it
Speaker 16: or there to go for it? And I don't understand
Speaker 16: I'm in time again that he all kicked the field goal.
Speaker 16: That I think not sending the right message to the players.
Speaker 10: Sometimes I wonder if they're shocked that he's calling that.
Speaker 1: But there are other times though where he does go
Speaker 1: for it on fourth down. But anyway, first and ten
Speaker 1: at the twelve yard line, and then we got to
Speaker 1: the eight yard line, we got to the show, go ahead,
Speaker 1: say kick the field goal. You wind up going up
Speaker 1: ten to nothing in this game, penny seventeen to three,
Speaker 1: twenty four to ten, thirty one to sixteen, and thirty
Speaker 1: eight to.
Speaker 2: Twenty four with ten and a half minutes to go.
Speaker 16: If you lose, well, in my mind, hey, I would
Speaker 16: have went for the first one, even though little risk,
Speaker 16: that would have won the game. So I just I questioned, Zach,
Speaker 16: you know.
Speaker 2: You deserve he deserves up scrutiny, He deserves screw you.
Speaker 3: Guess what goes along with being the head coach. You
Speaker 3: know you're you're right when it works out good and
Speaker 3: you're wrong when it doesn't work out.
Speaker 17: For the team.
Speaker 3: You're constantly you're constantly getting second guests on your play selection.
Speaker 3: Why did he run the ball on that third or
Speaker 3: that second down at the end of the game when
Speaker 3: they needed a first down? And uh in a two
Speaker 3: minute offense type of thing, and they've been running to
Speaker 3: successfully all day. So you're going to get second guests.
Speaker 3: As a coach, you it's kind of built into the
Speaker 3: job description, and so is getting fired. So's at some
Speaker 3: point that's the nature of the beast. You don't plan
Speaker 3: on living in a in a neighborhood forever, because when
Speaker 3: you're in that business, there are no things, is for sure.
Speaker 2: Can he thanks so much for the call. Appreciate it,
Speaker 2: all right, thank you, thank you. Hey, j We you
Speaker 2: have Chef boyar D on the line.
Speaker 6: Chef hey Check it's it's shape Boyard.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Shafe.
Speaker 10: Good to hear from he, but good to talk to you.
Speaker 4: Check.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 18: First of all, it drops to laugh and Leaf and Lamar.
Speaker 18: I just want to give a mad preach to both
Speaker 18: of those guys. But hey, man, I'm a thirty year
Speaker 18: old season ticket holder. I've had season tickets for five years.
Speaker 18: I worked really hard for these tickets, man, and they
Speaker 18: are not cheap.
Speaker 17: Every year it's more expensive.
Speaker 18: It starts at eight hundred dollars a seat, and it
Speaker 18: goes to nine hundred thousand dollars and this year is
Speaker 18: twelve hundred dollars a seat. And I just I just
Speaker 18: want to know, man, like, what incentive is there for me?
Speaker 18: To renew these season tickets. With the results on the field,
Speaker 18: I mean, what are Katie Toy and Mark Dylan to
Speaker 18: make us want to believe in this team after today?
Speaker 1: Even even if they had won on there, How are
Speaker 1: they going to advance to the playoffs with this defense?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I truly believe that they're trying their very best. But
Speaker 3: once you put the players on the field, you can't
Speaker 3: do anything from the front office. You know, as a coach,
Speaker 3: you call the plays. You can't do anything on the field.
Speaker 3: Once the place called. All the work has done before
Speaker 3: the game to play, the game plan, the the the
Speaker 3: way you're going to tack a team on offense, and
Speaker 3: the way you're going to attack a team on defense,
Speaker 3: and the players have to go out and make plays.
Speaker 3: And and uh my, my only mote of contention with
Speaker 3: that the defense is after that first quarter when we
Speaker 3: had the lead and it looked like all of a
Speaker 3: sudden things got soft. Now, did the Jets make changes?
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 3: Uh, But then we have to CounterPunch. That's the whole
Speaker 3: nature of the Beast, well is counterpunching. You make a change,
Speaker 3: we make a change, you do something that works, we
Speaker 3: stop it, and we make you go back to do
Speaker 3: something else. I know as a coach, offensive coach, and
Speaker 3: play caller for a long period of time, there's no
Speaker 3: there's no perfect defense. You can't stop everything. You just
Speaker 3: have to guess properly and do your best on those
Speaker 3: plays where they get you where they where they guess,
Speaker 3: I'll guess you. You have to make a play. And
Speaker 3: that's what great teams do. They make great plays when
Speaker 3: they really should have gotten beat on it. And we're
Speaker 3: just not making plays at all, let alone great plays.
Speaker 10: Well, I'll tell you what they did.
Speaker 18: So the Bengals had these invoices drawn up right, and
Speaker 18: so for season ticket holders at they had these invoices
Speaker 18: ready to go. And as soon as we beat the
Speaker 18: Steelers last Thursday, they sent them out to the season
Speaker 18: ticket holders.
Speaker 6: And so now we have.
Speaker 18: Until October thirty first to renew our season tickets. So,
Speaker 18: you know, tell me what would I do as a
Speaker 18: season ticket holder between out and next Friday? You know,
Speaker 18: I have to make a decision. Am I going to
Speaker 18: spend you know, twenty four hundred dollars on season tickets?
Speaker 18: And it's just the product isn't there. And I'm so conflicted.
Speaker 18: I want to invest in this team that I want
Speaker 18: them to invest in me, and it is it is
Speaker 18: very difficult. As a season ticket holder, what would you do?
Speaker 4: It's purely a crapshoot in terms of.
Speaker 3: The coaches and the players matching with the coaches and
Speaker 3: making it work. The front office is gonna hire people.
Speaker 3: They're gonna hire people based on recommendations. They're going to
Speaker 3: put the head coach in position to Your job depends
Speaker 3: on the people you hire. And if you hire bad people,
Speaker 3: you hire people that can't get the job done, then
Speaker 3: then we have to make a decision. And I trust
Speaker 3: that front office they're thinking about how they can fix
Speaker 3: this from that perspective, but I I in terms of
Speaker 3: what you see on the field, the only way you
Speaker 3: can change and let them know your thoughts is to
Speaker 3: to make that executive decision and say I'm going to
Speaker 3: leave my season tickets for when you get good again.
Speaker 4: I'll wait.
Speaker 18: But then and there's a waiting list, and it's just like, shoot,
Speaker 18: I just missed that, and so.
Speaker 3: And so they got you, they got you, And I'm
Speaker 3: not promoting. I'm not promoting turning season tickets. And because
Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan myself and I've been up and
Speaker 3: down with this team forever I had season tickets.
Speaker 4: I gave him up. I got them back again.
Speaker 3: I gave him up because of my my occupation, and
Speaker 3: and and there there are times I wish I had
Speaker 3: them back because I love the Bengals, I love the organization.
Speaker 4: It's just, uh, you.
Speaker 3: Know, when from the top down you hire a head coach,
Speaker 3: he puts his people in in in uh in line.
Speaker 3: They get players and they coach them with the best
Speaker 3: they can. And either the players aren't making plays or
Speaker 3: some of the coaches aren't up to this, to the job.
Speaker 1: In shape, we've got to run. Appreciate the call as always.
Speaker 2: Thanks Chick, thank you. And he's Bruce Kazerski. This is
Speaker 2: Chick Ludwig.
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Speaker 2: This is the place to vent. The Bengals lose.
Speaker 1: To the New York Jets thirty nine to thirty eight
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Speaker 1: to the Tri State Chevy Dealers postgame sports talk presented
Speaker 1: by RNL Carriers following the bengals thirty nine to thirty
Speaker 1: eight loss to the New York Jets, and we are
Speaker 1: live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five o nine
Speaker 1: Ohio Pike Chick Ludwig alongside the great Bengals legend Bruce Kazerski. Yes, yeah, Bruce,
Speaker 1: You've got an entourage here, I do.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Who's who's all here?
Speaker 3: My wife is sitting over there, my oldest son, Matt,
Speaker 3: his son Gavin, little Bruchie over here. He's my younges,
Speaker 3: one of my my youngest grandson, my son Adam, his
Speaker 3: wife Brittany, Matt and Bryce for good friends of the family.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they're all out the joy it, enjoy the show.
Speaker 4: And some wing great great wings here. So they came
Speaker 4: out to joy, some food and some fun.
Speaker 2: You were at the game with a bunch of your Bengals.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all down there to watch lap and and
Speaker 3: and Lamar going into the the Ring of Honor, and
Speaker 3: it was it was a great Saturday night at the stadium.
Speaker 3: And then it was really nice to meet those guys
Speaker 3: again talking around on the field about and limping around
Speaker 3: all those old guys.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: But then you know, watching the game in the same
Speaker 3: section with Jim McNally and all those guys really a
Speaker 3: great time. We had a fun But sitting watching the game,
Speaker 3: he's just like a first quarter I said, it was Tom,
Speaker 3: who are these guys? Look how well they're playing? And
Speaker 3: then the second quarter turned around. It was like, okay,
Speaker 3: here we go. Now we got an experiment. Now we
Speaker 3: got a one one play at a time. We don't
Speaker 3: know what you're gonnaxpect flip a coin.
Speaker 1: And then the fourth quarter came and I can just
Speaker 1: imagine what you guys are going through watching this.
Speaker 3: Well, I get a ride coming. My son picked up,
Speaker 3: but my wife I'm up at the stage, so we'd
Speaker 3: have to park and find traffic.
Speaker 4: And so we scored.
Speaker 3: We left as soon as they scored that touchdown went
Speaker 3: up at fourteen?
Speaker 4: Was that ten men?
Speaker 2: Mark chick? Yes.
Speaker 4: And by the time we got.
Speaker 3: To the concourse down outside walking the concourse to go
Speaker 3: out to the main road, the Jets that scored again
Speaker 3: got two point conversion.
Speaker 4: Now they're down by six. By the time we got in.
Speaker 3: The car and I'm started up to cutting the hill
Speaker 3: in the north of Kentucky.
Speaker 1: They were losing and for me to get here, I
Speaker 1: had to leave shortly after the third quarter ended. So
Speaker 1: I'm listening to the game. Yeah, Lap and ed Horr.
Speaker 1: Hear the stress and laps voice, could you Yes, you
Speaker 1: really couldn't believe it?
Speaker 4: Yes, you couldn't believe it?
Speaker 1: Making my way here from the Miamisburg War room, Yes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I love listening to Lap and Dan Horde.
Speaker 1: But just yeah, the fourth quarter, you know, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier. As bad as the defense play down
Speaker 1: the stretch in this game, the offense didn't help them
Speaker 1: late with a three and out and then a meltdown
Speaker 1: on the very final drive when they only needed twenty.
Speaker 2: Plus yards to kick a possible game winning field goal.
Speaker 2: But it should never have come down to that against.
Speaker 3: The Jets, any defense along the road, one more punt
Speaker 3: and they had. They forced several punts, but not not
Speaker 3: when the game.
Speaker 20: Not.
Speaker 3: Once the offense started clicking and the Bengals defense was
Speaker 3: like flat, they were lost. They didn't know whether a
Speaker 3: pass or a run was coming because their their runs
Speaker 3: were going for just as many yards as their passes.
Speaker 2: Were.
Speaker 4: I mean they had five runs or four runs over
Speaker 4: twenty five yards. They had.
Speaker 3: The passing game was working real well, and Justin Fields
Speaker 3: had a career day when he was you know, under
Speaker 3: the gun from his owner. His owner is saying, we
Speaker 3: got the worst quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Well, Bruce, let's review the delivery of the game, brought
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Speaker 1: heck of a throw forty four yards from Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: to t Higgins. It came at the ten forty five
Speaker 1: mark of the second quarter, giving the Bengals a seventeen
Speaker 1: to three advantage.
Speaker 3: He put a double move on him, He gave him
Speaker 3: a little hitch move and then went right by him
Speaker 3: and the defensive back was immediately three steps behind Tea
Speaker 3: and that was game over. John did a great job
Speaker 3: just laying it out there and let him go get it.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, is Josh with us in Corbin?
Speaker 21: Yes, guys, Hey, thank you for schecking McColls. First off,
Speaker 21: talking to you, and also it's an honor to speak
Speaker 21: to mister Bruce Bzerski number sixty four.
Speaker 6: Wow right here, that pretty pretty crazy.
Speaker 4: I appreciate.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, yes, So we're driving back from the game.
Speaker 6: I'm almost back to Corbin.
Speaker 21: You know, I my thoughts that this is not a
Speaker 21: personnel problem now at this point.
Speaker 6: I mean, it is the person that problem at this point.
Speaker 21: This is our coaches, our our front office. They bring
Speaker 21: the players in, they evaluate them. We've got all this
Speaker 21: going on, but now here we are. You know, I
Speaker 21: don't think we're looking at our defense. Our offense has
Speaker 21: been great for his ten quarters. There's nothing to do
Speaker 21: with our quarter, with our offense. But here's the thing.
Speaker 21: If you have a bunch of me out there, you
Speaker 21: can coach me, and you can teach me where to
Speaker 21: get in the right position. But because you recruited Josh,
Speaker 21: he's not going to make the tackle. I might know
Speaker 21: where to be at, but it don't matter how much
Speaker 21: I know, we don't have the correct personnel. And until
Speaker 21: the personnel on the defensive side is added to and changed, unfortunately,
Speaker 21: we are not going to be able to compete on
Speaker 21: the defensive side. I know we've got a few hurt,
Speaker 21: but we this, you know, and I know Zach and
Speaker 21: our front office is the one that brings the players in.
Speaker 21: That's already a done deal.
Speaker 6: They can only coach up so much of.
Speaker 5: What they got.
Speaker 21: But guess what, we're stuck with what we got unless
Speaker 21: we make some trades. But this is all you know,
Speaker 21: we are personnel defensively is not where we need to coach.
Speaker 6: That got what he wanted.
Speaker 21: We're loaded offensively. The offensive line is starting to mash.
Speaker 21: We're creating holes.
Speaker 6: They have been creating holes.
Speaker 21: But uh, we've got to if there's not changes, is
Speaker 21: a personnel. Uh you know Logan Wilson was in the answer,
Speaker 21: you know, Cam Britt changing him.
Speaker 6: We're looking for all.
Speaker 5: Of these quick fixes.
Speaker 21: It's not the coaching and and I really I don't
Speaker 21: I don't think it is the coaching.
Speaker 5: As far as making the right plays.
Speaker 2: Right, It comes down to personnel.
Speaker 1: It comes down to heaven yet players and exactly they
Speaker 1: just don't They don't have it right now. Grab grab grab,
Speaker 1: that's all Cam Taylor British doing in the defensive back.
Speaker 1: Then with that, yeah, with that, we've reached the bottom
Speaker 1: of the hour.
Speaker 2: Break. We've got to run. We appreciate your chick.
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Speaker 1: O nine Ohio Pike breaking down the Bengals loss to
Speaker 1: the New York Jets.
Speaker 2: Thirty nine to thirty eight. It's still.
Speaker 1: It's still hard to believe that the Bengals just led
Speaker 1: this game really throughout, but they let the Jets hang
Speaker 1: around and this became a track meet and breaking the
Speaker 1: tape first. The New York Jets thirty nine to thirty eight. Incredible,
Speaker 1: and they had played five of their seven losses were
Speaker 1: by one score, two points to Pittsburgh, two points to
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, six to the Miami Dolphins, two to the
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos, a seven point loss to the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 1: and they were bound to win at some point.
Speaker 2: I just didn't want it to be today.
Speaker 3: Here's the amazing thing to me is the Jets came
Speaker 3: in with a pretty good reputation on defense. Those are
Speaker 3: some pretty good offenses that they kept the game closed for,
Speaker 3: and we were going up and down the field scoring.
Speaker 3: It was the other side of the ball, the justin
Speaker 3: fields offense that had trouble moving, and that's why they
Speaker 3: were under so much pressure for management and from the city.
Speaker 3: And they're having a hard time. Questions should the coach
Speaker 3: be fired? And that management says, it's not the coach's fault.
Speaker 3: We got the worst rate quarterback in the NFL, and
Speaker 3: now they're moving the ball up and down the field
Speaker 3: on us. That was the part that you just can't accept.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go out to the fones. Welcome in? Is
Speaker 2: it John in Cedarville? Point? Is John there?
Speaker 4: John?
Speaker 17: Yes, sir, I will be recorded the game, can you
Speaker 17: guys hear me?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes we can.
Speaker 17: Hey, uh wow, where do we begin. I don't know
Speaker 17: which fill.
Speaker 19: Is worst today's loss or last year's Patriot loss, but
Speaker 19: I think they ranked probably about in the same category.
Speaker 22: And uh defensively for the Cincinnati Bengals. Today, he score
Speaker 22: thirty eight points. Uh in a game you're expected to
Speaker 22: win that game, I believe.
Speaker 5: And I don't know.
Speaker 23: That line is scream me defensively the sideline the sideline,
Speaker 23: and it seems like they're they're not posting, and they're
Speaker 23: not getting flow and stopping the wide runs left and right.
Speaker 17: And I don't know. It lacks leadership. And I don't
Speaker 17: know why Logan Wilson didn't on the field defensively every play, even.
Speaker 19: If you want to play your young rookies, why not
Speaker 19: go to a three to four on certain calls? And
Speaker 19: offensively of that last series with Flaco, you don't have
Speaker 19: time to drive the ball away. You got two the
Speaker 19: premier receivers in the NFL. Do you send them on
Speaker 19: streaks if you.
Speaker 2: Need twenty yards, you get twenty.
Speaker 17: Yards and you kick the go go and you win
Speaker 17: the ball game. There's no excuse for that. I don't
Speaker 17: know why Joe went to the locker room.
Speaker 19: I never did hear what.
Speaker 2: Was It was a shoulder issue.
Speaker 1: It was a shoulder issue on his sack and John
Speaker 1: we got to run.
Speaker 2: Appreciate the call. It's it is a mystery.
Speaker 1: There was a time where a receiver from the Jets
Speaker 1: in the slot goes out. It just does a like
Speaker 1: a down and out, And was a Josh Newton fig
Speaker 1: who just kind of let him go and he stayed
Speaker 1: where he was.
Speaker 2: In the zone, and that's where the ball went.
Speaker 3: That's what I was referring to as a soft coverage.
Speaker 3: You just can't imagine how how all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you know you're backing out. It's almost a prevent. It
Speaker 3: looked almost a prevent that tests. And in terms of
Speaker 3: the quality losses. The first game last year against the Patriots,
Speaker 3: you had no idea how bad they were.
Speaker 2: You know, you did?
Speaker 3: You know the Jets zero and seven? You you got
Speaker 3: an offense that's going up and down the field. You
Speaker 3: got to play some defense that that just can't happen.
Speaker 3: And and uh, I've seen it, been part of been
Speaker 3: part of it. It's unexplainable. You walk in the locker
Speaker 3: room the next day, what the heck just happened? And
Speaker 3: all you can do, if you're if you're legitimate about
Speaker 3: fixing the problem is look in the mirror, say it's
Speaker 3: not that guy.
Speaker 4: It's not that Guy's me.
Speaker 3: I'm doing something wrong and find your weaknesses because right
Speaker 3: now they're not going to fix it the way they're
Speaker 3: doing it.
Speaker 2: Do we have Mike and Cherry Grove?
Speaker 6: Yeah, guys, do you hear me?
Speaker 2: Ye? Yes?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 7: How you doing Hey?
Speaker 24: Just a couple of points. We were gashing them on
Speaker 24: the ground. I mean, p Ryan, what nine carries for
Speaker 24: ninety nine yards? Case Brown looked good? That second to
Speaker 24: last possession. You need to control the ball and run
Speaker 24: the cloth and we throw three straight passes for incompletion.
Speaker 24: I don't understand that. And then on the last possession
Speaker 24: when you gotta go down the field, they did run
Speaker 24: a running play.
Speaker 2: For no game.
Speaker 24: Zach Taylor goes away from the running game even when
Speaker 24: it's successful.
Speaker 10: I don't understand that.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think every time you every time an NFL offense
Speaker 3: goes to the line of scrimmage, there's two or three
Speaker 3: plays that have been called. You call one play, but
Speaker 3: with that play, that's why you practice all week. That's
Speaker 3: why the NFL playbook is so thick. There's there's two
Speaker 3: plays with it. Maybe if you call a running play,
Speaker 3: it might be a different running play based on what
Speaker 3: the defense gives you, or it might be a check
Speaker 3: to a pass and so whatsever whatever happens, whatever they've
Speaker 3: been given the play is called, it turned into something.
Speaker 4: It turned into.
Speaker 3: A pass on that last series. The one time they
Speaker 3: tried to run it, they got they got zero yardage.
Speaker 3: I thought, in that situation, with the time running out,
Speaker 3: they should have thrown it on that situation. But again, well,
Speaker 3: Monday morning quarterback. The play selection is is is a
Speaker 3: second guest that that I've lived with for a long
Speaker 3: time coaching the way I did. But but the NFL, Uh,
Speaker 3: it's just you can't all of a sudden stop executing right.
Speaker 25: Well, that's what happened is p Ryan was running like
Speaker 25: a beat you got you got at least run run
Speaker 25: on first down on your seconds possessions.
Speaker 17: You've got to control the cop.
Speaker 24: And get the ball down the field. And I don't
Speaker 24: know why they didn't do it. Secondly, the guy calling
Speaker 24: about keeping tickets or not my daughter as season tickets.
Speaker 10: I talked to her after the game. She was miserable.
Speaker 24: They found out that their tickets are going to six
Speaker 24: dollars next year. Now, I just don't see where the
Speaker 24: investment is in the team. And the last thing I
Speaker 24: wanted to say, this game could have been the NFL
Speaker 24: sixth Game of the week. Somebody made a lot of
Speaker 24: money off this game.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: In terms of in terms of putting the quality product
Speaker 3: on the field, that's the coaches in this organization have
Speaker 3: never had more freedom to pick the players that they want.
Speaker 3: We've got a new defensive coordinator, with a new defensive
Speaker 3: line coach, and a new linebacker coach and all those people
Speaker 3: that come along with it. Their job is to get
Speaker 3: the best out of those players within the system and
Speaker 3: execute their talent with what they have because you can't
Speaker 3: wholesale change an entire defense at one time. They're not
Speaker 3: They're not getting it out of those guys right now,
Speaker 3: and something has to change. Like Chick's been saying all
Speaker 3: that long, they got a couple defensive backs that that
Speaker 3: won't that won't tackle hard enough. I won't hit anybody
Speaker 3: hard enough to get out of the paper bag. And
Speaker 3: that's been going on all year long. And then they
Speaker 3: got other some some guys that are playing their butt
Speaker 3: off back there. So you know, it seems like and
Speaker 3: water is always gonna run downhill in the NFL. They're
Speaker 3: always going to tackle your weak spot and everybody coach,
Speaker 3: every team that comes in here knows what your week's
Speaker 3: weaknesses are. If you can't cover them up for a
Speaker 3: long period of time, you're gonna get beat.
Speaker 2: Bruce. All fans want their team to win.
Speaker 1: Okay, So when it comes to season tickets for going
Speaker 1: to the ballpark, I say the same thing to Reds fans.
Speaker 1: You are seeing some of the greatest athletes in the
Speaker 1: world win or lose on the football field. So you
Speaker 1: have to love the game. Yes, you love the Bengals,
Speaker 1: but to see some of the greatest athletes.
Speaker 2: In the world on one stage, to me, it's worth it.
Speaker 3: The entertainment value, win or lose again, it's it's exceptional.
Speaker 3: The show has never been better at the stage, the pregame,
Speaker 3: the post game, the in between, all the different highlights
Speaker 3: that go on around the stadium. It's a it's a
Speaker 3: show for eight hours on a Sunday afternoon. Great way
Speaker 3: to take the family down there. Uh right now, we
Speaker 3: all live and die with wins and losses, and that's
Speaker 3: just the nature of the beast. We want to we
Speaker 3: want to go through a drive through and be the
Speaker 3: be be through in a minute. And when you're sitting
Speaker 3: in line for two minutes. You're upset. You know, you
Speaker 3: want to get your coffee and you want to go,
Speaker 3: and you don't want the lady in front of you,
Speaker 3: who didn't order online to order and order a box
Speaker 3: of donuts you want to get. You know she's gonna
Speaker 3: order a hand pick her twelve donuts and it takes
Speaker 3: your twenty minutes to get through the drive through.
Speaker 4: We all want things faster. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, Zach's had Zax had some time here, and
Speaker 3: he's got his offense, and then Joe gets hurt, so
Speaker 3: he gets Joe Flacco after three weeks of uh legitimately
Speaker 3: horrible offense, and and then they get Joe Flacco going,
Speaker 3: and he's making this thing whole thing work. God love
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco. He's even running the ball on occasion big situations.
Speaker 3: But the defense, they have to play better. They just
Speaker 3: have to play better, and there's ways to do it. Uh,
Speaker 3: coach to the ability of the players. You got and
Speaker 3: call and call things at work. I don't think I
Speaker 3: saw what's they They brought a corner one time.
Speaker 1: They brought Cam Taylor Bred nearly got to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's speaking of coffee. I do have my coffee. I've
Speaker 1: got my computer, all I need is you. I'm with
Speaker 1: Bruce out there.
Speaker 3: Anybody out there not sure checks lead drinking coffee twenty
Speaker 3: four to seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4: Just listen to the show.
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Speaker 1: eight loss to the New York Jets today and man, it.
Speaker 2: Hurts, Bruce, it really hurts.
Speaker 1: Well, let's go over the and highlight the drive of
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Speaker 1: the game for the Cincinnati Bengals their last scoring drive
Speaker 1: at the ten twenty one mark of the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: Chase Brown with a one yard run. It completed the
Speaker 1: seventh place seventy three yard drive that gave the Bengals
Speaker 1: what seemed like at the time, an insurmountable thirty eight
Speaker 1: to twenty four lead.
Speaker 2: But no the uh.
Speaker 1: The New York Jets scored twenty three points in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, outscoring the Bengals twenty three to seven on
Speaker 1: their way to this one point thirty nine to thirty eight.
Speaker 3: I can almost save I can almost hear a lap
Speaker 3: up there warming up.
Speaker 4: The bam bam bam.
Speaker 3: I can almost hear them getting ready to say it.
Speaker 3: And then by the time we got to the truck,
Speaker 3: they were By the time we got to the car,
Speaker 3: they were behind.
Speaker 4: I believe it.
Speaker 1: Just incredible. Yes, and uh, hey, let's go out to
Speaker 1: the phones. Do we have Craig in el Passa?
Speaker 20: Oh?
Speaker 2: Who is in Texas?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, is Craig Craig there?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: How about Tim and Columbus?
Speaker 26: Yes, I was at the game and I had to
Speaker 26: drive back to Columbus. I made it home safely to uh,
Speaker 26: I had the time to cool down.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 26: So it all comes down to talent evaluation and Duke
Speaker 26: Tobin and that front office has shown they have a
Speaker 26: track record. They don't have the talent on defense.
Speaker 4: Period. We can't.
Speaker 26: We can't sugarcoat that and say they have the talent.
Speaker 26: They just not write positions. No, they don't have the talent.
Speaker 26: A defensive line is atrociers, Jenkins, McKinley wants his name,
Speaker 26: Shamar Stewart. They got to put dresses on all of them.
Speaker 26: They can't touch the quarterback and until the Bengals front office,
Speaker 26: Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Troy, until they change their cash
Speaker 26: versus cap, they're going to continue to struggle. And my
Speaker 26: concern is a fan, and my frustration is they are
Speaker 26: pissing away a generational talent and Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase
Speaker 26: key Higgins a plarific offense and they're pissing it away.
Speaker 4: And that's not purely aggravating me. Duke Tobin needs.
Speaker 10: To be humiliated publicly.
Speaker 26: And I said the people around me before I left
Speaker 26: the stadium, if they see him out in public anywhere,
Speaker 26: please let him know.
Speaker 1: For me, that's that's enough there. From Tim and Columbus.
Speaker 1: You have to give Duke Tobin credit for getting the
Speaker 1: trade with the Cleveland Browns to bring in Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: Can we give him a little bit of props for
Speaker 1: that because they could have brought in any number of people,
Speaker 1: but they centered on the right guy and the and
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. They were able to pull off that trade.
Speaker 1: So give him a little bit of credit there. But
Speaker 1: this defense, they need better players. It's simple as that.
Speaker 3: There's always so much there's always so much money to
Speaker 3: go around. Their salary caps, and we're we're very close
Speaker 3: to it, if not at it. You know, Uh, Zach
Speaker 3: Taylor made a choice. He's he's invested in Joe Burrow
Speaker 3: and Jamar Chase and t Higgins and and uh and
Speaker 3: all of his fan and and Chase uh in the
Speaker 3: backfield and and uh. And then they had the hardest
Speaker 3: guy to get under under signed was was Hendrickson. And Uh,
Speaker 3: they thought they'd be all right, But I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure what I was watching during preseason. I thought
Speaker 3: I saw the same same kind of stuff. You know,
Speaker 3: their offense would would move the ball and then they
Speaker 3: turn it over and due to defense, and uh, they
Speaker 3: got run gaping runs up the middle and great passes
Speaker 3: over the top. And you know, I'm just nothing changed
Speaker 3: from the from the time where they they were practicing
Speaker 3: with these guys that weren't here anymore to the time
Speaker 3: they're playing with the guys who are. So I it's
Speaker 3: just harder as time goes by to see the sharing
Speaker 3: the well. So both sides of the ball have really
Speaker 3: good talent, and then coaches come in and somehow not
Speaker 3: being able to get the most out of their players.
Speaker 1: The New York Jets rolled up five hundred and two
Speaker 1: offensive yards to the Bengals three ninety eight.
Speaker 2: They had real balance here.
Speaker 1: The Jets did two forty eight passing to the Bengals
Speaker 1: two to seventeen and two hundred and fifty four rushing
Speaker 1: yards to the Bengals.
Speaker 2: One eighty one.
Speaker 1: So the Bengals awesome running the ball and the Jets
Speaker 1: just torch them, trample them for two fifty four. And
Speaker 1: the Jets ran twelve more plays in the Bengals seventy
Speaker 1: to fifty eight. And they hogged the ball for thirty
Speaker 1: three minutes and forty seconds to the Bengals twenty six
Speaker 1: to twenty and four running plays of twenty five plus yards.
Speaker 1: Bruce Kezerski a fifty, a thirty five, a twenty seven,
Speaker 1: and a twenty five.
Speaker 3: That's having a bad day. I mean, I don't care
Speaker 3: whether you're playing at a early part of the ball
Speaker 3: game or whether you're playing in the fourth quarter where
Speaker 3: you can afford to let the team gain chunks yards.
Speaker 3: But chunk plays like that they can't happen in the run.
Speaker 3: They cannot happen in the run. I'd be willing to
Speaker 3: bet that that earlier in that ballgame, the Jets had
Speaker 3: just as many tackle for lost plays that the Bengals
Speaker 3: made in their backfield as we had the whole rest
Speaker 3: of the ball game. I mean we didn't we didn't
Speaker 3: get in the backfield. We didn't tackle him for a loss.
Speaker 3: We barely tackled him.
Speaker 1: You're right, Uh want to give some props here to
Speaker 1: some ry. Oh my goodness, he's got to get more
Speaker 1: involved in the in the offense. He's a warrior, just
Speaker 1: a tremendous and he was one of the few that
Speaker 1: talked to Lap afterwards in the locker room and an
Speaker 1: absolute prince.
Speaker 3: And so there's a there's a lesson learned in that one.
Speaker 3: They let him go because he wanted a little bit
Speaker 3: more money in his new contract, and they realized just
Speaker 3: how much they missed him in those third and situations
Speaker 3: where he wasn't there.
Speaker 1: That's right, he mean with the Broncos and he was
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs, and they finally bring you back in
Speaker 1: and but he still has Yeah.
Speaker 2: He still has life left in those legs.
Speaker 4: Amazing.
Speaker 3: I think I was sad to see him go, and
Speaker 3: I'm so happy that he's back. He's a tremendous addition
Speaker 3: and great asset in the backfield. They need to do
Speaker 3: the same thing on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 3: And like I said, I don't know how much money
Speaker 3: there is with the money's tied up on offense.
Speaker 1: Samaj A p RN nine rushes for ninety four yards
Speaker 1: ten point four long gain of thirty two. He had
Speaker 1: a touchdown run and Chase Brown twelve carries for seventy
Speaker 1: three yards six point one a carry and twenty a
Speaker 1: twenty two yard run, So twenty three carries a buck
Speaker 1: eighty one. They rushed for an average of seven point
Speaker 1: nine yards per rush.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a fantastic day, I mean, and when
Speaker 3: even even in the heyday when we were running the ball,
Speaker 3: leading league and.
Speaker 4: Rushing, that was a hell of a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But you know, for the Bengals, the.
Speaker 3: Way they ran the ball in the first five or
Speaker 3: six weeks, that is a miracle. Now all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: we can't stop the run, we can't stop the pass,
Speaker 3: and so but again, if you look back the preseason,
Speaker 3: that's the way it was. If you look back in
Speaker 3: the early part of the season, the offense was playing
Speaker 3: so poorly after Joe got hurt that you didn't even
Speaker 3: pay attention to how badly the defense was playing.
Speaker 1: Thirty seven carries for the Jets two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: four yards a buck, thirty three for Breese Hall, sixty five.
Speaker 2: For as Isaiah Davis.
Speaker 1: Justin Fields rushed eleven times for thirty one yards, but
Speaker 1: all so calculated got some first downs.
Speaker 2: Incredible.
Speaker 1: And that Isaiah Williams one carry for twenty five yards,
Speaker 1: so two fifty four just just brutal.
Speaker 4: Field's had his back to the wall.
Speaker 3: He makes some big two in three yard runs if
Speaker 3: you ask me, I mean he really did.
Speaker 4: And uh, he made some big.
Speaker 3: Throws, but sometimes they weren't even that difficult. I mean
Speaker 3: they were so wide open. He made some scrabbling throws,
Speaker 3: but they were so wide open at times it was
Speaker 3: hard to miss them.
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Speaker 1: legendary offensive lineman Bruce Kazerski. We're breaking down the Bengals
Speaker 1: thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the New York
Speaker 1: Jets at pay Course Stadium today like a wrecking ball.
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Speaker 1: has a table full of family members here, but there's
Speaker 1: a couple of chick Magnets in the house. My good
Speaker 1: buddy Jim Mallott works at Kemba Credit Union and his
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Speaker 1: but yeah, disappointing, I said at the top of the show.
Speaker 1: Easily one of the most disappointing, upsetting losses, embarrassing losses
Speaker 1: in Bengals history, because the Jets were zero to seven
Speaker 1: coming in here today and it was.
Speaker 2: The Ring of Honor game honoring.
Speaker 1: The Great Dave Lapham fifty years with this franchise as
Speaker 1: a player and as a broadcaster, does a phenomenal job.
Speaker 1: Is the color analyst on the Bengals Radio network with
Speaker 1: the play by play voice of the Bengals Stan Hoarde
Speaker 1: and Leaping Lamar Parish number twenty.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, the.
Speaker 1: Most explosive, exciting player in Bengals history. Finally getting honored.
Speaker 1: He's in the Black College Football Hall of Fame. I
Speaker 1: would love to see him bookend with Ken Riley in Canton.
Speaker 4: I believe he should be.
Speaker 3: He's unbelievable that the athletic ability, and you think about
Speaker 3: the timeframe he came into the league. He had never
Speaker 3: played that position in his life. And Paul Brown makes
Speaker 3: him a defensive back and he turns into one of
Speaker 3: the top three or four maybe to ever play the game.
Speaker 3: Just amazing. And then have thirteen non offensive returns, whether
Speaker 3: the interception fumbel returns or kickoff punt returns for touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Amazing, Just amazing.
Speaker 1: Go on YouTube, Google up leap In Lamar Parrish and
Speaker 1: just just a phenomenal, phenomenal player and a great friend.
Speaker 1: I still stay in touch with a lot of the
Speaker 1: Bengals a lumps, including leap and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a great reception, uh last night at
Speaker 3: the stadium. It was nice to see all the people
Speaker 3: turn out. A lot of the lot of the fans
Speaker 3: were there, but a lot of the players were there
Speaker 3: and and really enjoyed the conversation, the memories and listen
Speaker 3: to those guys talk about it and uh talk about
Speaker 3: their their favorite moments, their favorite plays, are their best games.
Speaker 3: You know, Moore had a ninety yard punt return for
Speaker 3: a touchdown and a fumble return for a touchdown. He
Speaker 3: said that wasn't even close to my best game, you know,
Speaker 3: in the same game. And you know he was that
Speaker 3: he was that good and that well known and that
Speaker 3: colorful with his outfits. He brought flash to the to
Speaker 3: the organization and it was really great to hear him.
Speaker 3: And then of course lap we love Leafy. He's one
Speaker 3: of the brotherhood. When the offensive lineman, you know, Jim
Speaker 3: McNally uh uh got inducted into the Profoble Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame this year Canton, and so we all went up
Speaker 3: there and it was great. All the all the the
Speaker 3: brotherhood that we had played with an including laugh was
Speaker 3: it was It was great to be the part of
Speaker 3: that and and uh, man, he's just he's just one
Speaker 3: of the one of the kind, one of a kind
Speaker 3: at fifty years in the same the passion that he has,
Speaker 3: you can hear it every time he calls a game.
Speaker 1: The brilliance and the the brilliance of Paul Brown to
Speaker 1: have the wherewithal to see a player in college and
Speaker 1: then put him in a position in the in the
Speaker 1: National Football League, like a Ken Riley a quarterback at
Speaker 1: Florida A and M making him a corner and then
Speaker 1: seeing leap and lamar Is a running back and putting
Speaker 1: him at the other at the other corner.
Speaker 3: You could have very easily seen him as the as
Speaker 3: the best receiver of his time. That guy could runk
Speaker 3: if he was, he could fly, he could he could
Speaker 3: shake you out of your boots, and he can catch anything.
Speaker 4: His athletic ability was second to maybe none.
Speaker 1: And you told a story here off the air about
Speaker 1: Paul Brown watching you long snack.
Speaker 3: I walked in as a rookie and not knowing anybody,
Speaker 3: and I'm after practicing one another training camp day. It
Speaker 3: was actually a minicamp day.
Speaker 4: And uh, I didn't know anybody.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know he knew who my name, and
Speaker 3: I'm snapping for for punts, and uh, the ball was wobbly.
Speaker 3: It was a little bit bigger than it was in college,
Speaker 3: and so it was wobbly, and uh, he stood right
Speaker 3: there watching me, watching, didn't say word. Then all study said,
Speaker 3: Bruce with your left hand about half inch up the ball, okay, sir,
Speaker 3: And nothing but spirals the rest of the way. I mean,
Speaker 3: just those little things are It's amazing to see because
Speaker 3: I don't know how many snaps he made his career,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I don't think Paul Brown
Speaker 3: was a long snapper one time in his career, but
Speaker 3: he knew how to coach those little, little tiny techniques
Speaker 3: like that, and that was a simple thing. You imagine
Speaker 3: taking a guy like Lamar out of college and making
Speaker 3: him the best defensive back they ever played for the
Speaker 3: organization and not in the Hall of Fame yet. I
Speaker 3: don't know something he did something with the with the conference,
Speaker 3: with the league and and everybody, but the people to
Speaker 3: vote on that, really they'd better take a look at themselves,
Speaker 3: because Lamar should be in, Kenny Anderson should be in,
Speaker 3: Max Montoya should be in.
Speaker 4: I mean, the list goes on and on and on. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: let's hear it.
Speaker 1: And even Tommy Casanova told me that Paul Brown would
Speaker 1: stand on the sidelines in absolute awe of lamar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there was a conflict there with he wanted a
Speaker 1: little bit more money.
Speaker 3: And now you know how money gets in the way
Speaker 3: of a lot of a lot of decisions. And that's
Speaker 3: not only in the Bengals organization, that's around the league.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, the teams he burned, Washington and Buffalo,
Speaker 1: that's who we played for the Bengals.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know what, Yes, when you're when you're pitcher
Speaker 3: and you're committed to Cincinnati and you beat the Reds
Speaker 3: with a shutout, that's where the Reds want to get
Speaker 3: on their staff and receiver did that for years, right,
Speaker 3: we get tom sheever for a few years.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: How about in.
Speaker 1: That first quarter fourth and one for the New York
Speaker 1: Jets and instead of in inches, instead of letting justin
Speaker 1: fields with a keeper going straight ahead. They pitched the
Speaker 1: ball to Reese Hall and he got stopped by Barret Carter.
Speaker 1: Bengals takeover on downs on the plus side of the field,
Speaker 1: drive it into the end zone for a ten to
Speaker 1: nothing lead.
Speaker 2: You know, there's that was their window of.
Speaker 4: This is an opportunity.
Speaker 3: You're really when you study so much film, you say,
Speaker 3: this is what they're gonna do in this situation. We
Speaker 3: have a great opportunity to make a chunk play instead
Speaker 3: of just getting the first down. This is what they saw.
Speaker 3: They said, this is how the Bengals are going to
Speaker 3: play this. It's felt we'll get the yard, but we
Speaker 3: can really take a shot on a chunk play right
Speaker 3: here if we run this pitch play and we did
Speaker 3: something different. We made the play in the backfield was
Speaker 3: a really nice play, and they didn't it the first time.
Speaker 3: We went back and scored. And that's just the way
Speaker 3: offensive coordinators and those think tanks put their plays together.
Speaker 3: They got a they got there's a thousand plays or
Speaker 3: five hundred plays on their call sheet and they're only
Speaker 3: so time specific. I've got to have the right situation.
Speaker 3: But boy, if I get it, I'm not gonna miss
Speaker 3: the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Hey, we've got to take another break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take your calls. We've got Mike and Steve
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Speaker 1: Bengals legend Bruce Kazerski. Bengals lose today thirty nine to
Speaker 1: thirty eight to the New York Jets. And now, Bruce,
Speaker 1: you're in that locker room after the game, a one
Speaker 1: point loss, man, what is going through your mind?
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. I've seen some bad ones.
Speaker 3: The worst one I was ever part of, if you
Speaker 3: asked me, was the one the name we lost to
Speaker 3: San Francisco. Uh we had a uh, we had a lead,
Speaker 3: and uh it was fourth down at our thirty yard line. Sam,
Speaker 3: watch want I wanted to go for it.
Speaker 4: Run the clock. There was eight seconds left. He figured
Speaker 4: we'd run sweep.
Speaker 3: The clock of the be would be over in the
Speaker 3: game of the over and they hit James Brooks in
Speaker 3: the backfield for a loss. Had three seconds left on
Speaker 3: the clock, and they threw one play to Jerry Rice
Speaker 3: in the corner of the end zone. Then we lost
Speaker 3: the game. And before before they even kicked the extra
Speaker 3: point to take the lead, Sam ran across his sugar
Speaker 3: Bill WASH's hand.
Speaker 4: I remember that, Oh, I remember.
Speaker 3: And when we went to the locker room after that game,
Speaker 3: it was the Sam Sam said to the whole team,
Speaker 3: he said, this was a this is the one one
Speaker 3: of the worst losses have ever been a part of.
Speaker 3: And we lost it because you guys lost your composure.
Speaker 4: Thought.
Speaker 3: I thought half the team was going to rip him apart.
Speaker 3: And it was hard to get to get the control back.
Speaker 3: The rest of that season, we lost games. I mean,
Speaker 3: we invented a ways of losing game. We were three
Speaker 3: and thirteen that year, and we had to lead in
Speaker 3: most of them because we were saying the next year,
Speaker 3: we showed up and said listen, we got a we
Speaker 3: got an opportunity to be special, and we went to the.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl that year ago, they almost got rid of
Speaker 1: Sam at almost year they almost said yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: But you bounced back and got to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3: We walked in this training camp, had a meetings the guys.
Speaker 3: We found ways to lose. We can't do that again.
Speaker 3: You know, we're very talented. We just need to take
Speaker 3: care of our business. Had a top rated offense, we
Speaker 3: had a better than average a defense at fifteen or
Speaker 3: fourteen ranked defense.
Speaker 4: And that's good things happen. Do you stop people, you
Speaker 4: win games.
Speaker 1: Let's go out to the phones and welcome in Mike
Speaker 1: and sinci A. Mike, are you there? Y?
Speaker 10: I am, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 24: Well, every week we talk about atrocious tackling, and so
Speaker 24: I've got something for the fan based uponder about tackling.
Speaker 24: So if you're a if you're a great tackler in
Speaker 24: college and they'll say you're a great tackler in space.
Speaker 24: In college, you you know how to break down, how
Speaker 24: to hit, rap and tackle somebody. Do you suddenly become
Speaker 24: a terrible tackler in the NFL?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 9: So?
Speaker 24: I I mean, I disagree with you, chickholeheartedly. This This
Speaker 24: is solely on the director of player of personnel for.
Speaker 10: The Bengals who's been into.
Speaker 24: The posision for twenty five years and has missed on
Speaker 24: so many draft micks over the years. I just don't
Speaker 24: think that they know how to evaluate talent directly. Now,
Speaker 24: my seven year old grandson could the draft, so Bro
Speaker 24: Jathon Higgins.
Speaker 10: That's that's that's a four one conclusion.
Speaker 24: But the trick is is to draft guys who are
Speaker 24: flying under the radar screen that really know how to
Speaker 24: play serious football.
Speaker 6: And that's when the Bengals come.
Speaker 24: They come up short every season on both sides of
Speaker 24: the ball. But right now it's learningly obvious on the
Speaker 24: defensive side of the ball because all we talk about
Speaker 24: every week you guys do the same thing is what
Speaker 24: terrible tacklers they are. So you tell me, Bruce, if
Speaker 24: you're a great backler in college, do you suddenly become
Speaker 24: a terrible tackler in the NFL? Is the game that
Speaker 24: much quicker that you can't adjust? Because I don't think
Speaker 24: that you could take a guy that maybe came.
Speaker 10: As a rookie and doesn't really know where he's supposed
Speaker 10: to be on the field.
Speaker 24: You can teach a guy how to be in space
Speaker 24: where he's supposed to be, but I don't think you
Speaker 24: could teach a guy to be a great tackler. You're
Speaker 24: either a great tackler or you're not. And that's a
Speaker 24: major problem that the Bengals have had for many years.
Speaker 24: And I think it falls on Dukes covins ed and
Speaker 24: his evaluate talent.
Speaker 1: I'm an out of all right, Yeah, let's uh, let
Speaker 1: Bruce address this a couple of things.
Speaker 3: You know, guys coming out of college, they're they're ambitious,
Speaker 3: they want to make the NFL, and so they they
Speaker 3: play their best football. And then sometimes they get to
Speaker 3: the NFL and they realize, you know what, I'm here,
Speaker 3: I don't have to I don't those those running backs
Speaker 3: are big, you know, those linemen coming around a corner,
Speaker 3: they're not They're not two hundred and eighty pounds anymore.
Speaker 2: They're four.
Speaker 3: They're three hundred and forty pounds, and and they run
Speaker 3: like a four or five or a four five, but
Speaker 3: a five two forty you're gonna come around here and
Speaker 3: they're gonna run me over. You know, maybe I just
Speaker 3: want to arm tackle. I don't want to break mar
Speaker 3: and before you know it, you're not what you were
Speaker 3: a couple years older, a couple of years smarter. You
Speaker 3: stick your head in there, you get concussions, and before
Speaker 3: you know it, you're you're not willing to.
Speaker 4: Do that again.
Speaker 3: And some some of it's that, some of it is
Speaker 3: is tackling, some of it's some of it's the draft.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it. Something it is the drafting.
Speaker 3: But again, if you're gonna pay great players, the Bengals
Speaker 3: have chosen to spend the money on the offensive side
Speaker 3: of the ball. They barely got Hutchet hocking. Uh heck yeah,
Speaker 3: they they barely got Trey under contract before the season started.
Speaker 3: And so where where else are they going to find
Speaker 3: enough money to pay the other guys because you know,
Speaker 3: they they don't make Let's just put it this way,
Speaker 3: they don't have a history of spending money everywhere with
Speaker 3: with uh, you know, without getting something for it, and
Speaker 3: they're they're not willing to.
Speaker 4: I think yet, something something has to be done. I
Speaker 4: I I don't thought for.
Speaker 3: A second that the uh that the ownership is taking
Speaker 3: stock in not only Zach but also Duke Tobin and
Speaker 3: and and all that because Zack's made some decisions with
Speaker 3: coaches that haven't panned out, and he's allowed the coaching
Speaker 3: staff to to put Like, as I said, last year,
Speaker 3: they hired a linebacker coach that that wasn't as good
Speaker 3: as they hoped and so that puts the defense and
Speaker 3: then it.
Speaker 4: Changes careers with players too.
Speaker 3: He's teaching them different techniques, he's teaching them to look
Speaker 3: their eyes differently, and before you know it, like Wilson
Speaker 3: the middle linebacker, he's not playing. There's a guy that
Speaker 3: was one of their standouts. You know, he's not playing.
Speaker 3: He hasn't adjusted well to the new system. Maybe he's right.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Hey, do we have Steve in Somerset?
Speaker 27: Hey, guys, what's happening?
Speaker 2: All right? Steve?
Speaker 5: Hey man?
Speaker 27: Keep thinking. So I went to the game today and
Speaker 27: I'm a live pluck ININCNATI fan foury nine years all
Speaker 27: morning rage in Cincinnati, Ohio. And I've been been through
Speaker 27: this man with the nineties and been through a lot
Speaker 27: of tough time with the Bengals, but today was just
Speaker 27: felt like it was one of the lowest the lows.
Speaker 27: He can't blame it on the offense. We played outstanding.
Speaker 27: I thought our offense was great. That fourth quarter last
Speaker 27: drive shit has ever happened. The game should have already
Speaker 27: been put away. This defense is probably the worst defend
Speaker 27: I have seen in my forty nine years. For the
Speaker 27: last few seasons we have been at the bottom of
Speaker 27: the pack. We did not run the right stems. I
Speaker 27: hear people talking about talent, talent, tallent. We may not
Speaker 27: have the best ballent, but you have to run the
Speaker 27: right schemes for these guys to be successful and to
Speaker 27: be put in the position to make plays. We get
Speaker 27: no pressure on the quarterback. We're never in the backfield
Speaker 27: trying to, you know, stopping the run for losses. We're
Speaker 27: giving up big plays on the outside all the time.
Speaker 27: And somebody's got to be held accountable for this. We
Speaker 27: got too much talent. You know, there's a there's a
Speaker 27: window that's gonna be closing very quickly that we could
Speaker 27: be a Super Bowl champion and bring the first one
Speaker 27: to the city of Cincinnati. But if we don't address
Speaker 27: this and get people held accountable for their jobs, then
Speaker 27: we're never going to be successful and bringing that first
Speaker 27: Super Bowl trophy to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Steve I've said it one hundred times. The Bengals play
Speaker 1: to the level of their competition. They play up for
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, and they played down today to me
Speaker 1: to New York Jets. They built a big lead, then
Speaker 1: they got soft, and then they got burned at the end.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate the call. Let's go to Mark and Dayton.
Speaker 10: All.
Speaker 2: I'm here, all right, Mark, what's on your mind?
Speaker 28: Chick?
Speaker 6: Bruce, Great to talk to you.
Speaker 25: Hey, there's been a lot of good points made this
Speaker 25: evening about you know, the problems with this, that and
Speaker 25: the other. And granted, you know, they went out and
Speaker 25: got Flaco to ensure that the offense stayed humming.
Speaker 6: And they had been without question.
Speaker 25: The defense is a broken record.
Speaker 7: Like the last guy said, last.
Speaker 4: Year was abysmal.
Speaker 25: If it hadn't have been for them scoring thirty five
Speaker 25: forty points a game and just outscoring everybody because the
Speaker 25: defense they had to because the defense last year couldn't
Speaker 25: stop anybody. And sometimes when you have guys on on
Speaker 25: your defense, you know you hear about that, well, you
Speaker 25: need to dumb down the play for these guys. And
Speaker 25: I've seen several comments since the game plus watching it. Uh,
Speaker 25: Golden was walking around the sidelines with defensive calls on
Speaker 25: like a three by five index card that was his
Speaker 25: that was his play sheet.
Speaker 3: Oh sometimes, and I'm well, sometimes keeping it simples good,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 25: Well only if And I just wonder if is there
Speaker 25: a wonder lick test for for these players?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 29: You know?
Speaker 4: Uh uh, I just I just wonder.
Speaker 25: Because it's like they are out of position so many times,
Speaker 25: and it's just like last week against Rogers. Rogers is
Speaker 25: a great quarterback, but how many times were these guys
Speaker 25: the field was just wide open in the secondary?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, we see, Yeah, we saw it today, wide open.
Speaker 1: And I love the tackle where the guy had the
Speaker 1: pulling on his jersey in the back.
Speaker 3: Offenses have never been more complicated and more difficult to
Speaker 3: line up properly too. But you can't let them run
Speaker 3: on you like that. And that's the defensive line linebackers.
Speaker 2: And we've reached the bottom of the hour break.
Speaker 1: We appreciate the calls, uh, And we've got Mike and
Speaker 1: glennon Bill, please hang on, we're getting to you next.
Speaker 1: We're live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five O
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Speaker 1: Chevy Dealers Postgame Sports Talk. Bruce Kazerski, Chick Ludwig. We're
Speaker 1: presented by RNL Carriers seven hundred WLW ESPN fifteen thirty
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Tri State Chevy Dealers Postgame Sports
Speaker 1: Talk presented by RNL Carriers. We are live at the
Speaker 1: Beachmont Wings and Rings five O nine, Ohio Pike. He's
Speaker 1: Bruce Kazerski, this is Chick Ludwig. We're breaking down the
Speaker 1: bengals thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the New
Speaker 1: York Jets like a wrecking ball. Mike Mills are awesome
Speaker 1: on site engineer and Liam Tomlinson. We appreciate all his
Speaker 1: help producing back in our Kenwood studios. Bengals fall thirty
Speaker 1: nine to thirty eight. Every Bengals fan is disappointed. Right now,
Speaker 1: I want to go over some scores around the National
Speaker 1: Football League. It just became final. The Denver Broncos at
Speaker 1: home forty four to twenty four winners over the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins get back in the win column with a
Speaker 1: thirty four to ten victory over the Falcons in Atlanta
Speaker 1: today elsewhere, Yeah, just trying to refresh my screen here
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 4: Ravens won.
Speaker 2: The Ravens wound up.
Speaker 1: Winning the New England Patriots all over the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: in Foxborough thirty two to thirteen, Eagle chop down the
Speaker 1: New York Giants thirty eight to twenty in Philly, the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills all over the Carolina Panthers forty to nine,
Speaker 1: and like Bruce mentioned there, the Baltimore Ravens back in
Speaker 1: the win column with a thirty to sixteen home victory
Speaker 1: over the Chicago Bears, and the Houston Texans, much maligned,
Speaker 1: get back in the win column twenty six to fifteen
Speaker 1: at home over the San Francisco forty nine Ers, and
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are twenty three to three winners
Speaker 1: over the Saints in New Orleans, and the Indianapolis Colts
Speaker 1: just keep on winning thirty eight to fourteen at Lucas
Speaker 1: Oil Stadium in Indianapolis over the Tennessee Titans. And Monday
Speaker 1: night's game will feature the Washington Commanders at the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs. That's Tomorrow night and tonight's Sunday night game
Speaker 1: Packers at the Steelers eight twenty kickof off tonight, Bruce,
Speaker 1: so it's the National Football League.
Speaker 3: It's that simple, yeah, on any given Sunday, right, And
Speaker 3: that was that you just don't expect on seventeen to
Speaker 3: come in to Cincinnati, and especially when the offense played
Speaker 3: today and and uh and walk out of here with
Speaker 3: a win.
Speaker 2: Hey, we've got uh, we've got Mike and Columbus Mike.
Speaker 2: Are you there?
Speaker 27: I am.
Speaker 30: Hey, guys, I'm gonna be real quick as I can here.
Speaker 30: I've got four quick things.
Speaker 4: Number one.
Speaker 30: I know it was mentioned the Bengals look like they
Speaker 30: may have softened up, and Fields was able to take
Speaker 30: advantage of that. The NFL, the game moves fast. I
Speaker 30: give tip my cap to Justin Fields. He took advantage
Speaker 30: of his opportunities that were given to him today and
Speaker 30: he got his team a win.
Speaker 4: So I don't want to be little anything.
Speaker 30: That he did because of the thief that we see
Speaker 30: this every week in the NFL, and so uh, tip
Speaker 30: of the cap to him.
Speaker 21: Uh.
Speaker 30: Number two, number six.
Speaker 5: Won for the Jets. I didn't see it much.
Speaker 30: In the first quarter, stat a little bit of the
Speaker 30: second quarter, and then often in the third and fourth
Speaker 30: quarter they lined him up as.
Speaker 10: An eligible receiver.
Speaker 5: It looked like he was.
Speaker 30: On the inside in the backfield. I was trying to
Speaker 30: figure out what they they were trying to do and
Speaker 30: accomplish with that. Bruce, maybe you can speak to this,
Speaker 30: maybe you picked up on or not. I kept waiting
Speaker 30: to see if maybe he would block it and sneak
Speaker 30: out into into space for a pass. But I never
Speaker 30: saw that. If you picked up on some of what
Speaker 30: they were trying to do, or maybe you picked up
Speaker 30: just I would love to hear. The third thing is
Speaker 30: stalary cap. I'm not a fan of it in the
Speaker 30: NFL because I don't think teams spin spend to the
Speaker 30: threshold that they can to make teams more complimentary. I
Speaker 30: think teams too many teams are weak on one side
Speaker 30: of the ball or another, and it.
Speaker 4: Makes very average football.
Speaker 30: Maybe a handful of teams can play complimentary football on
Speaker 30: both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: To have a salary cap, because with the money the
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones has, you'll have twenty two All Pros playing
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 2: So let's get rid of that notion right away.
Speaker 1: And every team has to spend at least what like
Speaker 1: four fists of the salary cap.
Speaker 4: You have to keep.
Speaker 2: Money back for your injured players. They get paid two
Speaker 2: I totally get it. I do totally get it.
Speaker 30: But the issue I have is that it looks like
Speaker 30: the NFL doesn't have very many teams that can play
Speaker 30: both sides of the ball. It looks very weak and
Speaker 30: modern product in the NFL is average or weak. And
Speaker 30: then you have a lot of teams at the top,
Speaker 30: and thirty years in this league with a salary cap,
Speaker 30: only fifteen franchises have won.
Speaker 4: Super Bowl championships.
Speaker 30: Yo to Major League Baseball, nineteen of won championships. I
Speaker 30: don't think it helps teams get to the top. I
Speaker 30: think it holds them back.
Speaker 2: And the premier.
Speaker 30: Franchise in this league hasn't won super Bowl in thirty
Speaker 30: years at the beginning to this salary cap, and that's
Speaker 30: the Dallas Cowboys. It's hard and people don't understand it.
Speaker 30: It's hard to get complimentary teams.
Speaker 6: And I don't.
Speaker 30: Begrudge players getting paid because they should. They should go
Speaker 30: out and get as much as they can. But when
Speaker 30: they get paid in the NFL, and like Baseball, they
Speaker 30: don't have time to develop players because as soon.
Speaker 2: As they started to develop and they can't pay guys, they're.
Speaker 7: Often go somewhere else.
Speaker 10: And it's hard to get your team to play.
Speaker 2: Equal with that. Mike, appreciate your call very much.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 4: It started.
Speaker 3: It started with one of these teams paying and you know,
Speaker 3: the quarterback a ridiculous amount of money. Then everybody that
Speaker 3: was better than him. The next year contract came up.
Speaker 3: They had to get more money, and they had to
Speaker 3: get more and then receiving and running backs they had
Speaker 3: to get more money. Before you know it, you can't
Speaker 3: protect a fifty million dollar quarterback with you know, a
Speaker 3: one million dollar offensive lineman.
Speaker 4: So they got to make money.
Speaker 2: Well, thank Heaven, there's a rookie salary cap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everyone was screaming when a guy that hasn't
Speaker 1: thrown one pass in the league is making, you know,
Speaker 1: a huge, huge contract, like a Matt Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2: Uh, he might have been the last one.
Speaker 3: And that's where and that's where the salary cap hurts
Speaker 3: a little. You have to pay Joe, you have to
Speaker 3: pay uh Chase, you had to pay Higgins, you got
Speaker 3: to pay the you know, the defensive ends you got.
Speaker 3: You got to pay all these special players. But you
Speaker 3: also have to keep people on the field that can block.
Speaker 3: So what you do is you draft first round, second round,
Speaker 3: picks that could play your your offensive line positions, and
Speaker 3: then they have a four year rookie contract. They've got
Speaker 3: a salary cap on that, so that keeps their overall
Speaker 3: salaries down, so they spend money on everybody else. The
Speaker 3: problem is they're not they're not proven in this league.
Speaker 3: So a first round pick coming out of Ohio State
Speaker 3: or Michigan or or one of these you know, big,
Speaker 3: big powerhouse Alabama, he's not proven in the NFL until
Speaker 3: he can prove himself after three or four years of
Speaker 3: being successful. You know, then you have yourself a probe.
Speaker 3: But by that time they want twenty million dollars, so
Speaker 3: you're cut between the rock and a hard place.
Speaker 2: Hey do we have Glenn in Cincinnati?
Speaker 4: Yes, God, Glenn.
Speaker 6: Hey, here's the thing.
Speaker 31: I'm not sure there's I'm gonna be able to say
Speaker 31: anything that you haven't already heard or you don't you
Speaker 31: don't even want to hear.
Speaker 10: But here's the thing.
Speaker 31: But I don't understand.
Speaker 10: Right before the six fifty.
Speaker 31: Break, you guys are talking about how you know, these
Speaker 31: are the elite players in the league, and they're you know,
Speaker 31: they're it's demanding that kind of money to be an
Speaker 31: elite player on the field and to play with the Bengals.
Speaker 31: But what I see here year after year, week after week,
Speaker 31: month after month, it just seems like it's Groundhog Day
Speaker 31: for you guys. I mean everyone talks about and had
Speaker 31: excuses for why they need to do.
Speaker 5: This, why they need to do that, but it's the
Speaker 5: same thing.
Speaker 31: They wake up every morning thinking, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 31: be a different team, but it's never gonna It's not
Speaker 31: gonna happen. So right before the six fifty break, you
Speaker 31: guys are talking about how it's still a show, how
Speaker 31: win or lose. You still support the team, still support
Speaker 31: the franchise. But at the end of the day, man,
Speaker 31: you've got to put a product on the field.
Speaker 17: And I can't imagine after every year.
Speaker 2: This is what makes for good.
Speaker 10: Talk radio, I guess, is that it's the same thing
Speaker 10: over and over.
Speaker 31: And you hear the same thing over and over, but
Speaker 31: nothing ever changes, the same thing where it seems to happen.
Speaker 3: You can say the same thing about every Reds team
Speaker 3: since nineteen ninety. I mean, it's it's pro sports and
Speaker 3: the way it is, you know.
Speaker 1: The NFL, everybody who's excited after the Pittsburgh Steelers game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just eleven days ago, and now look at them.
Speaker 2: It's it's a big bummer team.
Speaker 3: And again, a large part of the team played well.
Speaker 3: They just had the defense didn't. They couldn't make a
Speaker 3: key stop, let alone, you know, multiple key stops, and
Speaker 3: you know, we we do talk a lot about defense.
Speaker 3: But again, we've had Joe Burrow now for five years.
Speaker 3: We've had great offensive players for a long time. And
Speaker 3: that's why I said maybe some of the focus and
Speaker 3: in the end needs to needs to be on maybe
Speaker 3: a restructuring of whoever's looking at these players.
Speaker 4: To pick them. I don't know that I know the
Speaker 4: coaches have never had more input.
Speaker 3: It's not just Duke Tobin. The coaches have never had
Speaker 3: more input into the players. But Zach is obviously the
Speaker 3: trump card on the coaching staff and who he wants,
Speaker 3: and he's opted to get the offensive players and leave
Speaker 3: the defense a little short handed.
Speaker 31: And we appreciate anything wrong with having demand more from
Speaker 31: the players. They're making millions of dollars. Yes they're elite,
Speaker 31: but at some point you have to get to put
Speaker 31: up with what you're getting paid.
Speaker 6: Out there.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, pride is pride is all you've got, and uh,
Speaker 3: the way the way it goes in this league is
Speaker 3: if you if you even if you're getting paid, if
Speaker 3: you're not getting paid, you don't play, you don't you
Speaker 3: don't make the team. So you have a bad year,
Speaker 3: the next year you don't, you don't make the team.
Speaker 3: And that's what's supposed to happen. Now you've got to
Speaker 3: go out and find a replacement for the guy. You know,
Speaker 3: we brought in uh what's his name from the defensive
Speaker 3: nose tackle from the Patriots turned out, yeah, from the
Speaker 3: Eagles two years ago. He got to be a bust
Speaker 3: and they brought Slaton in and Slayton's playing well, but
Speaker 3: what's the help around him? I think those big runs
Speaker 3: all came off middle to right side today and I'm
Speaker 3: not sure who's playing over there, but somebody's not getting
Speaker 3: the job. And I flat out saw one of those
Speaker 3: rookie linebackers step up in the hole like you're supposed
Speaker 3: to him.
Speaker 4: Plat out miss that was.
Speaker 1: That was Barrett Carter, who had a great run earlier
Speaker 1: in the game, But that and that was a monster run, monster.
Speaker 4: Run at a big time, at a very important time
Speaker 4: in the game.
Speaker 2: Yes, appreciate the call. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: We have Uh yeah, let's go ahead and take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and check out your phone calls. Hey,
Speaker 1: we are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings at
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Speaker 2: Bengals fall thirty nine to thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Everybody's upset on seven hundred WLW in Cincinnati, ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 1: If you are listening to the Tri State Chevy Dealer's
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Speaker 2: This is Chick Ludwig.
Speaker 1: We're live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings, five O nine,
Speaker 1: Ohio Pike and I want to take this time out
Speaker 1: to pay tribute to a fallen New York Jets legend.
Speaker 1: It showed up on the TV screen today. I was
Speaker 1: an absolute shock at the news that broke that Nick Mangold,
Speaker 1: an eleven year member of the New York Jets, a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame candidate this year died yesterday at the age.
Speaker 2: Of forty one from kidney disease.
Speaker 1: Nick Mangold Kettering Altar High School, the Ohio State University,
Speaker 1: first round draft pick of the Jets eleven years.
Speaker 2: He is a Jets legend.
Speaker 1: And it's just heartbreaking to hear that a great man,
Speaker 1: great husband, father, and Nick Mangold passed away at the
Speaker 1: age of four.
Speaker 2: Won Bruce.
Speaker 3: I hadn't heard that, that's the first time. And he
Speaker 3: was he was a generational type player for them, Sure was.
Speaker 2: He definitely was.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, here uh the New York
Speaker 1: Jets center today. Personal friend of the Chicksters from Miamisburg
Speaker 1: High School, Josh Myers, great player at Miamisburg High School,
Speaker 1: then at the Ohio State University and in four years
Speaker 1: as a second round draft pick of the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 1: they made the playoffs in three out of four years.
Speaker 1: They didn't resign him, threw him under the bus, and
Speaker 1: he signed a one year prove it deal this year
Speaker 1: with the New York Jets and they went for five
Speaker 1: hundred offensive yards today.
Speaker 2: What right middle two forty five?
Speaker 1: That center Josh Myers was doing something right as the
Speaker 1: Jets trample the Bengals.
Speaker 2: For two hundred and fifty four rushing yards today.
Speaker 1: So a tip my cap to my friend Josh Myers
Speaker 1: Center for the New York Football Chats.
Speaker 4: You know this, this is upsetting. My son showed me
Speaker 4: a little stat earlier. You bring that up.
Speaker 3: Check, yes, talk about how many when the Bengals have
Speaker 3: scored thirty eight points? What the what their win totals
Speaker 3: and losses?
Speaker 1: The totals in fifty six previous seasons, fifty four and four.
Speaker 1: When they score thirty eight or more points in the
Speaker 1: last two seasons, one in three.
Speaker 3: Amazing, just incredible, incredible, that's a lot of points. I
Speaker 3: remember I was doing the Bengals radio after I had
Speaker 3: retired right away, and Boomer had just come back from
Speaker 3: the Jets, and uh so he was reinstated as a
Speaker 3: quarterback as Blake got hurt or somebody got hurt.
Speaker 4: And he goes on a tear, winning win and win
Speaker 4: and win and winning, and we went some points and he.
Speaker 3: Was throwing them all up and down the field. We
Speaker 3: scored forty one points and lost.
Speaker 2: Philadelphia, Philadelphia. That's it.
Speaker 3: And I and I met him walking back into the
Speaker 3: locker room after the game. And he's mattered a hornet
Speaker 3: and he throws it was a artists. I've ever seen
Speaker 3: him throw a ball let alone a helmet. He threw
Speaker 3: it from from one side of the locker room to
Speaker 3: the other, right, dead solid in his locker, just beside himself.
Speaker 4: That he scored forty one points and losing the NFL.
Speaker 2: He I was in the locker room, he came in,
Speaker 2: he threw his helmet, I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the defense he said, you guys don't deserve
Speaker 1: your paychecks.
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And at that point in his career, he can
Speaker 4: he can get away with that.
Speaker 11: He was.
Speaker 3: Yes, he was here from eight or nine, and then
Speaker 3: he went to New York and you know, it worked
Speaker 3: out great for a few years.
Speaker 2: And then he came back here and he played for Arizona.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he called Arizona Cincinnati and the New York
Speaker 1: Jets the Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just uh just incredible. Wait hey, uh, just a
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Speaker 2: All I know is they could have done a better job.
Speaker 3: I would say they could have done a better job.
Speaker 3: They would look back at this film and say we
Speaker 3: should have done a better job. And the question is
Speaker 3: why didn't they do a better job?
Speaker 16: Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it coaching? Is it calls from the sidelines? Is
Speaker 3: the secondary coaching? Is it the decordator coaching? What is
Speaker 3: not putting them in position to make those plays? And
Speaker 3: when they have an opportunity to tackle, why are they
Speaker 3: missing those tackles?
Speaker 1: Two and forty eight passing yards for the Jets, two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four rushing yards for the Jets. It
Speaker 1: was a tough day all around for the defense and
Speaker 1: the secondary got burned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that simple.
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Speaker 1: We have Bill in Cincinnati Bill, Are you there?
Speaker 7: Yes, I am.
Speaker 29: I have a few comments and say if Bruce to
Speaker 29: comment on them, because I look at the game and
Speaker 29: I always wonder are the coaching adjustments during the game
Speaker 29: when we're being out coached and when we look at conditioning.
Speaker 29: I mean they they the deefense dominated the first quarter
Speaker 29: and then to get three touchdowns for them, And is
Speaker 29: there a condition issue with the.
Speaker 4: Beggess, No, it's not. These are some of the most
Speaker 4: well conditioned athletes in the world.
Speaker 7: Okay, and what was your next question?
Speaker 29: Well, and T Higgins had one catch, two targets, thirty
Speaker 29: three passes and Chase had thirteen targets. So I know
Speaker 29: in the pass it seems like they would use T.
Speaker 29: Higgins if Chase is double team, they would come in
Speaker 29: and that Chase was being doumble team. But in a
Speaker 29: city would going to T Higgins? And you know more
Speaker 29: during the game, especially uh, you know, and in that
Speaker 29: in the fourth quarter, is there uh when when in
Speaker 29: a tasty being double team that he was trying to I.
Speaker 4: Would think T would say the same thing.
Speaker 3: I would say, Hey, you know, he's got a lot
Speaker 3: of opportunities and and I'm and I'm not I can
Speaker 3: I could beat that guy, you know, I need to
Speaker 3: get more opportunities. But as I said earlier in one
Speaker 3: of the phone callers talked about the running and passing plays,
Speaker 3: some of those ones that that Jamar catches because.
Speaker 4: He's such a great runner with the ball.
Speaker 3: Afterwards, they throw him the ball quickly and it's more
Speaker 3: just a long handoff as it turns into a it's
Speaker 3: a passing play that turns into a running play for
Speaker 3: five or six yards, and then that's something that that
Speaker 3: tea doesn't do as well, and so t is more
Speaker 3: of a down the field, crossing the field routes and
Speaker 3: and Jamar can do that because he's such an athletic
Speaker 3: running running after the catch.
Speaker 1: Well, when there was a time when he had a
Speaker 1: key drop in the UH late in this game, Jamar
Speaker 1: and but also.
Speaker 3: Late in the game, Fan disappeared. You know, they were
Speaker 3: trolling to throw the ball to Yoshi Vash and I
Speaker 3: can visually see four plays in the last several weeks
Speaker 3: that he's dropped the ball. And I don't know that
Speaker 3: he's the most reliable in that situation, but I certainly
Speaker 3: think fant Or or Hudson would have been an option.
Speaker 2: Three targets, no catches for Andre josebash today.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Again, you could look at this film, and I can
Speaker 3: tell you from a coach's perspective, you look at this
Speaker 3: and say, man if I had just done that, and
Speaker 3: that happens in about ten plays a game, especially when
Speaker 3: you're when you lose a close game like this, it
Speaker 3: might have only been a handful of plays. When you
Speaker 3: when you're getting blown out, you can second guess every
Speaker 3: play you make, and do you learn over time? You
Speaker 3: can't dwell on what happened. I made the call. It
Speaker 3: wasn't executed properly, and that's what the players should think.
Speaker 3: The call was made and all we had to do
Speaker 3: was execute it better. And in the plays there, whether
Speaker 3: the ball's high or the ball is low, by the
Speaker 3: by the by the quarterback, whether the receiver dropped it,
Speaker 3: whether the running back didn't hit the hole properly. It
Speaker 3: could be offensive line missed the block for the first
Speaker 3: time all day, and all sudden he becomes a spotlight.
Speaker 30: Right.
Speaker 4: You have to see what happened on film to to
Speaker 4: figure out what happens.
Speaker 1: All I can think about when you mentioned that is
Speaker 1: the great quote from John McKay. The first Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: head coach. Coach, how do you feel about your team's execution?
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Speaker 1: legend Bruce Pizerski. We're not only talking about the bengals
Speaker 1: thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the New York
Speaker 1: Jets at pay Corpse Stadium today, but really all things football,
Speaker 1: and Bruce, you gotta be happy for the University of
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bearcats ranked seventeenth now after that big win over
Speaker 1: Baylor on Saturday.
Speaker 4: That was great.
Speaker 3: It's great. It's great to see the enthusiasm in town.
Speaker 3: They're playing great. You know, there's other teams around playing
Speaker 3: great as well. You know, I had two kids of
Speaker 3: mine that went to Louisville. They're playing great football. UC
Speaker 3: is playing great, Ohio State's playing great. The Midwest right
Speaker 3: here where we live, the part of the country that
Speaker 3: we live is just fantastic. It's got great football, great sports,
Speaker 3: and it's fun to.
Speaker 4: Be part of it.
Speaker 1: You see up to seventeenth now with the seven and
Speaker 1: one record, seven consecutive victories, and now they go against
Speaker 1: Utah in the late game ten fifteen on Saturday night.
Speaker 3: This is the one right here, this is the one
Speaker 3: we've been waiting for a long time. If they can
Speaker 3: pull this one off and then they're for real, this
Speaker 3: is this is again. They have had some great games
Speaker 3: in town. Now they got to travel on the road,
Speaker 3: put all those all the side all the side trimmings away,
Speaker 3: and focus really wholeheartedly on the game plan. And sometimes
Speaker 3: it's easier for a team to do that, and sometimes
Speaker 3: it's not. We'll see what this team has made of.
Speaker 3: I'm really excited for them.
Speaker 1: It'll be Salt Lake City on Saturday night, ten fifteen, kickoff.
Speaker 1: The number twenty four uts against the number seventeen UC Bearcats.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Louisville up to sixteen and uh miolma mater,
Speaker 1: the Ohio State University number one and breathing right down
Speaker 1: their net.
Speaker 3: The Indiana Indiana Hoosier's boy. They playing great football man.
Speaker 3: They took dynamic, that quarterback is dynamic. They took UC
Speaker 3: later the woodshed they did they of course, you know
Speaker 3: It's nice to get a team like UCL in your house.
Speaker 3: They were hot coming in. They'd beat Penn State, and
Speaker 3: they'd beat somebody else really really good out there on
Speaker 3: the coast. But boy, you get it, bring them in
Speaker 3: here into town and you'll whip them. That's that's fine.
Speaker 1: Hey, we appreciate our producers back in the Kenwood studios.
Speaker 1: We started out with Wiam Tomlinson and he has handed
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Speaker 1: Danny is uh spearheading us all the way down this
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Speaker 1: And uh, hey, let's go out to the phones and
Speaker 1: welcome in Brian. Who's who's driving?
Speaker 2: Brian? Are you there?
Speaker 28: I am thanks to Tay McCall's been a good right
Speaker 28: to listening.
Speaker 20: To you guys.
Speaker 24: You know, just one to times, just going.
Speaker 10: To kind of like jump on you.
Speaker 28: Obviously the defense is just obviously horrific. Needs need a
Speaker 28: lot of fixing.
Speaker 32: But I really want to call out two specific people
Speaker 32: because I've heard a lot of, you know, a lot
Speaker 32: of talk in the last couple of games on broadcasts
Speaker 32: about how DJ Turner and dak Shill are getting better
Speaker 32: and I got him wonder you know, they're going up
Speaker 32: in practice against the arguably two of the best receivers
Speaker 32: in the league and survey on the team, and I
Speaker 32: just don't understand how they can't get better if they're
Speaker 32: facing Chase and.
Speaker 28: Higgins in practice.
Speaker 27: Or is that the chasing Higgins.
Speaker 28: Are demoralizing him so bad that they can't get it
Speaker 28: together in a game. Well, what I keep coming back
Speaker 28: to is that they're living through game in and game out,
Speaker 28: that Michigan knew what plays were coming and cheated under
Speaker 28: our ball.
Speaker 6: I'll turn it back to you guys, and.
Speaker 1: Just the inconsistency from week to week by our by
Speaker 1: the defense.
Speaker 3: I have been really impressed with Turner's play this this year.
Speaker 3: I think he's much improved today that we just saw
Speaker 3: the replay up on the video screen coming across one
Speaker 3: of the networks. Uh, the touchdown that put them ahead
Speaker 3: at the end of the game. He was in the
Speaker 3: guy's face, but he wasn't looking at the ball right.
Speaker 3: You know, I know what man coverages, but the guy
Speaker 3: had he was on the back line. He had nowhere
Speaker 3: to go turn around and find the ball, and he didn't,
Speaker 3: and the guy who's reached out straight up over his
Speaker 3: head and caught it.
Speaker 2: It's it.
Speaker 3: I think certainly, if he had seen a company, he
Speaker 3: would have batted it away. It's it's just an unfortunate
Speaker 3: It's an unfortunate thing that happened today. I think I
Speaker 3: think he's I don't think he's as big a culprit
Speaker 3: as it was on that one play. I think it's overblown.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the issues were the other
Speaker 3: side of the coverage. The other's the second side he
Speaker 3: and I don't want to put names into it because
Speaker 3: I'm not sure of all who they were, but there's
Speaker 3: too many mistackles by the left side of the defensive backfield,
Speaker 3: no doubt.
Speaker 1: Hey do we have Craig again or is Craig back
Speaker 1: from El Paso?
Speaker 27: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm here with you all right, Craig. What's going on?
Speaker 6: Ada? I wanted to call in talk about a quote
Speaker 6: that cobn said this offseason, But the last thing he
Speaker 6: was going to do was drum the same defense out
Speaker 6: there at the more extensive rates. Yeah, that's exactly what
Speaker 6: has happened. I know Caler earlier talked about how he
Speaker 6: does the little thing or the things well, like drafting
Speaker 6: Burrow and Chase and guys at top of the draft
Speaker 6: about how I need to play in the margins. Well,
Speaker 6: when they play in the margins, they get guys like McKinley, Jackson,
Speaker 6: and Burn who have both been healthy scratches almost every
Speaker 6: game this year. I know Jackson healthy for like one
Speaker 6: I think have been up. Other times have all been
Speaker 6: healthy stratches. Yet I'm hearing you guys as these codes.
Speaker 6: Sounds like you're tearing the water pretty hard for Duke
Speaker 6: Cobin here. Yeah, we have quite a bit of it. Okay,
Speaker 6: we have surface levels.
Speaker 25: Talent may not be there.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's an issue. Next year's coaching might be an issue.
Speaker 30: Sure.
Speaker 6: Above that is the personnel people. They're not doing their jobs.
Speaker 6: It sounds like you guys are defending them pretty hard.
Speaker 6: And I'm really lost what your guy's angle is, because
Speaker 6: time after time, the only thing I think Duke Cobin
Speaker 6: does well it makes trade. They've made like four in
Speaker 6: my entire life. Some of just not your life. Feels
Speaker 6: like you guys are standing up for some guy that
Speaker 6: is not caring his weight.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure Duke Tobin was second a snap
Speaker 3: in the NFL in a long period of time. You
Speaker 3: judge talent by what you see on film, you scout
Speaker 3: them live in person in college. You get the best
Speaker 3: talent you can. And it's not just their ability that
Speaker 3: you're your your talent ability that you're scouting. You're you're
Speaker 3: you're as a scout, you're talenting scouting. But the same people,
Speaker 3: your scouts across the league that are still ranking these
Speaker 3: players as highly as you are.
Speaker 4: You're in a position to take these guys and they're
Speaker 4: just not panning out. Now.
Speaker 3: That has to do more with development. That has to
Speaker 3: do with the people that they're walking into that are
Speaker 3: showing them how to play these positions. A lot of
Speaker 3: the best players, in fact, the ones I've been around,
Speaker 3: learned how to play from watching great players. And that's
Speaker 3: the hardest thing to get rolling. You're you're trying to
Speaker 3: be a good defensive defensive lineman watching the defensive linemen
Speaker 3: that are playing in front of you, and you're not
Speaker 3: seeing great defensive play, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: so it's the coach can he's not on the field
Speaker 3: he teaches, He's teaching you the same thing he's teaching.
Speaker 3: They all Pro defensive tackle. But they all pro is
Speaker 3: getting the recognition he's making a tackle, you're.
Speaker 4: Not learning it.
Speaker 3: And so now now you remove that that quality defensive
Speaker 3: lineman in front of you, you're learning from what the
Speaker 3: the the the omen work guy in front of you
Speaker 3: is doing.
Speaker 4: So you're not learning from any guy any better than
Speaker 4: you are. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it's it comes down to who are you learning
Speaker 3: the game from? And it it should be the development
Speaker 3: of the coaching staff, and it's not. It's not happening.
Speaker 1: Hey, appreciate the call. We could talk about this like forever. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's personnel. It from the top down. Everything
Speaker 1: has to be analyzed. All I know is they look
Speaker 1: great against the Steelers and didn't look so great today.
Speaker 3: I was I was a ninth round pick and I
Speaker 3: had a great offensive line. Coach made me a great player.
Speaker 3: I mean, bottom line is is the offensive line that
Speaker 3: I played with had. Anthony Munius was the only first
Speaker 3: round pick and our our left yard was a a
Speaker 3: eighth round pick. I was a ninth round pick. Max
Speaker 3: Montoya was a sixth round pick. Joe Walter was a
Speaker 3: seventh round pick and turned out to be one of
Speaker 3: the best offensive linemen and lines of team history for
Speaker 3: a long period of time. And it's because of the
Speaker 3: line coach coaching, Billy and Jim McNally. Yes, you know,
Speaker 3: I think Scott Peters has developed this offensive line. Finally
Speaker 3: he's gotten in their head and they figured out what
Speaker 3: he wants. Now we gotta get the same thing that
Speaker 3: happened on the defensive line, the linebackers and secondary and
Speaker 3: then it's not happening yet. If it's gonna happen this year,
Speaker 3: it better happens soon or heads are gonna roll.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's review today's Postman Law injury report. Bruce brought
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Speaker 1: out in the first half with I think they called
Speaker 1: it a phibiate a tibia or fibula injury, so it's
Speaker 1: a leg injury.
Speaker 2: And gone for the rest of the game.
Speaker 1: Yes, Joe Flacco went out late in this game after
Speaker 1: he got sacked with an apparent shoulder injury. He went
Speaker 1: into the locker room evidently got a sleeve or some
Speaker 1: kind of brace or whatever, and uh, and then Trey
Speaker 1: Hendrickson re injured his hip.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: May I may be completely mistaken about Flacco, but I
Speaker 3: thought he got knocked down against Pittsburgh and hurt his shoulder.
Speaker 4: But it was his non throwing shoulder. They did the
Speaker 4: same thing, put a sleeve on it.
Speaker 3: I think me and me, up to a week of
Speaker 3: practice or ten days, it was feeling good enough to
Speaker 3: not use that sleeve. But I think he got knocked
Speaker 3: down again in the same shoulder was giving him a fit.
Speaker 3: It didn't hurt him from throwing, but he couldn't go
Speaker 3: out there without it, and so they went in the
Speaker 3: locker and put it on. And he's too too much
Speaker 3: of a veteran to let that effect the outcome. He
Speaker 3: would have said, certainly, I can't throw, I can't deliver this.
Speaker 3: He would have said, he's he's a proven player with
Speaker 3: eighteen years of experience, and those kind of guys they
Speaker 3: don't go down easy.
Speaker 1: Well, Dylan Fairchild went out briefly. He got kicked in
Speaker 1: the shin at the two minute warning in the in
Speaker 1: the first half, so he came back. So we'll see
Speaker 1: as the week progresses. You know what kind of shape
Speaker 1: they're in.
Speaker 3: Physical yeah, I'd be one that we're gonna lose Hendrickson
Speaker 3: for a few weeks, but those Hipstone heel quickly. You're
Speaker 3: absolutely right, and they play Chicago next week and then
Speaker 3: to buy that's important.
Speaker 4: That's a big week to get back at healthy again.
Speaker 2: No doubt.
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Speaker 2: Hey do we have a Scott in Fort Thomas? Yeah?
Speaker 25: Hi, guys, how you doing this evening?
Speaker 2: But we're doing all right all things consider.
Speaker 30: Hey, just a comment one of your previous callers that
Speaker 30: called in talking about the tackling and that some of
Speaker 30: the college players that were good tacklers during college and
Speaker 30: they moved on to the pros and it seems like
Speaker 30: they forgot how to tackle.
Speaker 6: And what I'm seeing, if you guys can comment, is.
Speaker 30: Instead of hitting guys low and wrapping them up and
Speaker 30: getting them off the ground, I see a lot of
Speaker 30: the defensive backs, especially they're hit them high, trying to
Speaker 30: slow them down, uh, and then trying to strip the
Speaker 30: ball with other players combining in on that and the
Speaker 30: whole time the player with the ball, whether it's a
Speaker 30: running back or receiver, is gaining yardage.
Speaker 17: Are you guys seeing that or not?
Speaker 3: I think that may be one of the biggest illnesses
Speaker 3: across the entire league is is these coaches preached turnover
Speaker 3: so much. They want the ball punched out, and now
Speaker 3: they've got everybody punching at the ball or grabbing at
Speaker 3: the ball, and nobody's truly making the tackle. And if
Speaker 3: you just put the guy on the ground, you might
Speaker 3: be able to get the ball out later or on
Speaker 3: the way down.
Speaker 21: Uh.
Speaker 3: But they're just not focusing on tackling. They want to
Speaker 3: make the big play, the turnover, get get their name
Speaker 3: in the and the lights. But that's what the coaches
Speaker 3: are teaching nowadays, is one guy, hold them up and
Speaker 3: you pull it out or punch it out the big Yeah.
Speaker 30: And then going back to when I was a kid
Speaker 30: playing junior league football in high school, you know was
Speaker 30: form tackling. We come in slow and you know, you
Speaker 30: hit them low, wrap them up, get their feet off
Speaker 30: the ground. And what's your feet are off the ground,
Speaker 30: They can't go anywhere, right.
Speaker 3: I think that's a whole bunch to do with it,
Speaker 3: is they're just many. They so much emphasis on turnovers
Speaker 3: and I think it's really hurting a lot of the performances.
Speaker 2: He appreciate your call.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it mattered.
Speaker 3: I just I just again one of the breaks a
Speaker 3: little of the network coverage, and uh, one of our
Speaker 3: defensive backs goes on and is talking about how they
Speaker 3: the defense didn't get done today.
Speaker 4: Well they know it didn't have to explain it.
Speaker 3: Now they've got to figure out how to fix it
Speaker 3: or else we're going to see the same thing next
Speaker 3: week against the team that.
Speaker 4: We should beat.
Speaker 2: All right, Scott, appreciate the call. And do we have
Speaker 2: Kim and Anderson? Hello, Hi Kim, Hi Kim?
Speaker 6: All right, Bruce.
Speaker 20: I could not let half of my family be there
Speaker 20: with you in person and not call in and.
Speaker 2: Talk to you.
Speaker 4: How are you, Kim? They had they had, they ate, well.
Speaker 20: I mean, I'm glad. I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I think they were with great company.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had great company at that table they missed.
Speaker 18: I think they're coming back.
Speaker 20: So hey, I'm here. I've been listening, and I think
Speaker 20: that we are being really hard on these Bengals because.
Speaker 9: It's been such a roller coaster of a season.
Speaker 20: You know, they came out of the out of the gates,
Speaker 20: doing really good. Joe Burrows out, We're doing terrible. We
Speaker 20: get Joe Flacco, we're back endings right, and then when
Speaker 20: you lose today, it's it's extra heartbreaking. But you know,
Speaker 20: the Jets are having the exact same conversations that we're
Speaker 20: having about our defense. You know, they're having it about everything,
Speaker 20: and you know what, we have got to get all
Speaker 20: of our guys firing on all.
Speaker 18: Cylinders at the same time, and that's just not what's
Speaker 18: happening right now, and get us.
Speaker 10: The Jets did it today and they.
Speaker 2: Did their jobs.
Speaker 3: That's completely the story. Again, if you look at the
Speaker 3: first two wins that we had, they weren't really resounding wins.
Speaker 3: They'd beat Cleveland because their rookie kicker missed a couple
Speaker 3: of kicks, an extra point and the field goal. They
Speaker 3: pulled him out. We gave him credit for winning because
Speaker 3: we don't win early in the season. We got two
Speaker 3: games under our belt, win and the win, call him
Speaker 3: early in the season. Then we fill on that four
Speaker 3: game streak. I understand a little like Joe Burrow concussion syndrome,
Speaker 3: when the team had to realize they were going to
Speaker 3: be without Joe for the bulk of the season.
Speaker 4: And so now they got this guy comes in.
Speaker 3: Here out of nowhere with an eighteen year history, knowing
Speaker 3: what he's going to see because he's seen it everywhere else.
Speaker 3: He's rebuilt programs everywhere else. And now they're thriving again.
Speaker 3: An offense, but the defense virtually all season long.
Speaker 4: Hasn't made place.
Speaker 3: And it's it's it's got to fix change, And I
Speaker 3: don't know how you fix it the mid season. I
Speaker 3: fear for what happens the rest of the way because
Speaker 3: while they want to do well, they have to, they
Speaker 3: have to go out there and perform better, and they're not.
Speaker 3: It's got to look for and say, how do I
Speaker 3: get better myself? Yeah, especially we've.
Speaker 9: Sat at enough ballfields together and watched enough sports, you
Speaker 9: know together that if.
Speaker 20: Everybody's not doing their job, the job doesn't get done.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But it's you know Chicksman's saying all day, all
Speaker 3: day long. You know, the proof is in the out
Speaker 3: is in the outcome. We're talking talk radio, great talker,
Speaker 3: are losing teams make great talk radio?
Speaker 2: They do this. This show has flown by.
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Speaker 4: we've heard it tonight. Thanks for calling.
Speaker 2: Hey, Kim, thanks so much for for calling. We appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you.
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Speaker 1: Now, hey's the Chicago Bears coming in. And as tough
Speaker 1: as it is today, man, you gotta.
Speaker 4: You can't lose both these teams back to back to back.
Speaker 2: I mean uh, And you're close to saying that this
Speaker 2: Bears game coming up, it has to be a best win.
Speaker 4: How rare is it?
Speaker 3: But both these both coaches head coaches, the Jets and
Speaker 3: now the Bears. We're on the Lions staff last year.
Speaker 3: A guy that played for me with at Holy Cross
Speaker 3: High School is linebacker for the Lions, and he knows
Speaker 3: both of these guys. They're great, fantastic guys, fantastic coaches,
Speaker 3: and they're gonna turn those programs around. It can't happen
Speaker 3: two weeks in a row to the Bengals. We got
Speaker 3: to beat them before they turn these programs around.
Speaker 4: No doubt.
Speaker 1: And it says Chicago Bears next week and then the
Speaker 1: following week is a bye week, So you want to
Speaker 1: go into the bye week with some gosh, some positivity
Speaker 1: in some momentum.
Speaker 3: How much momentum with three wins in a row, Huh, Well,
Speaker 3: that's out of the gate. But we can't lose two
Speaker 3: in a row, for sure. Sure, I think if Flacco
Speaker 3: can get us through this burrowless era without two losses
Speaker 3: in a row, he's done his job and we're very
Speaker 3: grateful to have him.
Speaker 2: No doubt.
Speaker 1: And just look at you at the standings here in
Speaker 1: the AFC North. The Pittsburgh Steelers at four and two,
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals now at three and five, the Ravens
Speaker 1: are two and five, and the Browns are two and six. Mandy,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of carnage there in the AFC North,
Speaker 1: So there's still an opportunity, and.
Speaker 3: We still have so many games against those opponents, and
Speaker 3: so that's that's where the whole juggernaut is gonna either
Speaker 3: turn in the wins or snowballing the losses. And then
Speaker 3: you know, if you're a Cincinnati fan, you you know,
Speaker 3: you know where, you know where your heart is. It's
Speaker 3: just got to happen on the field. Then, believe me,
Speaker 3: they're gonna bring their best. The question is is their
Speaker 3: best good enough? It's any given Sunday thing right now.
Speaker 1: Two and zero in the Division, three and two in
Speaker 1: the Conference for the Bengals, but once.
Speaker 2: Again two and two at home. You have to win
Speaker 2: home games.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You got to own your you got to own
Speaker 4: your property, your your real estates.
Speaker 2: Yours is.
Speaker 3: And we've had teams come in here and and uh
Speaker 3: one under Flacco, one without Flacco.
Speaker 1: But it's time and it all starts again next week
Speaker 1: against the Chicago Bears and then uh wow, off to
Speaker 1: a bye week and then you got to play the
Speaker 1: Steelers the road. There won't be any revenge in that one,
Speaker 1: oh man, can you imagine? And this is the part
Speaker 1: of the schedule where they got to make Hay who
Speaker 1: is the chats.
Speaker 4: And bare supposed to happen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it hasn't.
Speaker 4: It has it.
Speaker 3: It's it's unfortunate. But those are the cards that have
Speaker 3: been played. Now you got to, you know, play the
Speaker 3: ones that are still on the deck a little bit better.
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