1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Excel is planning to turn off power to about half 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: a million customers due to high wind risks on Wednesday. 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Interesting that they raise their rates about ten percent every year, 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: and they're forcing us to go to one electricity by 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: twenty fifty. I think this is to help normalize the 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: rolling roundouts down the road that we're going to experience. 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: Well, there's that, and there's also the problem of you 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: you're going full electric and you're not doing anything to 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: strengthen or mitigate take the grid to mitigate against the Oh, 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: I don't know the natural hazards that exist in Colorado, 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: Chinook winds, ice storms, blizzards, dumbasses that drive off the 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: road because they're drunk or they're high, own mushrooms or 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: shrooms or whatever. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: How about that You mean Beamer drivers. Beamer drivers are 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: the best drivers. They all think so. 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Well, the sad part is dragging. We don't just think so. 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: We know, so you need know that we've the best drivers. 18 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, but you know, it just is. I 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: don't want to I'm not bragging and I'm not punting. 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out facts like I tried to do 21 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: in this program. We're just the best driver, says. 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: The guy who recently bragged about not getting a speeding 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: ticket in five years. 24 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, but there's still time. The year's not 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: over with yet, so true. Yeah, the year's not over 26 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: with yet, so there's still an opportunity. 27 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: The Bondi. 28 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: You know, somebody crutched me yesterday and said it's Bondi, 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: not Bondie. Well, I've heard different newscasters pronounce it different ways. 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. Bondi Bondai. I don't care. Potato tomato, 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: that's right. 32 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: Uh so Bondy, Uh, simply because we already have a Bondy, 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: you know, Pam Bondi. 34 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: Uh who who is she? Jewish? I don't know. 35 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: Is Bondi a Jewish name? Bondi, Bondai Bonzai? I mean, 36 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: I don't know that that I want to. I want 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: to go back to that terror attack for a little 38 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: bit because the more I thought about what I said 39 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: about everything that took place yesterday, there was some moment 40 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: in yesterday's program that I thought to myself, go home 41 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: and do a little more research, because this attack could 42 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: not have happened in a vacuum. So if we wanted 43 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 2: to understand how two men could walk into one of 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: Australia's most iconic public places and turn a Jewish family 45 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: event into a killing ground. You gotta stop staring at 46 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 2: the crime scene and instead we gotta start staring at 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: the shooters. And I know that generally speaking, that when 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: we have a footing in this country, we don't want 49 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: to talk about their names. We don't want to mention, 50 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: you know, the shooters. We try to bury them literally 51 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: and figuratively as quickly and rapidly as we can. 52 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: But not here. 53 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: And I think you'll understand why as I go through this, 54 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 2: because the real scandal is something that this country needs 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: to learn from. 56 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 3: You know, let me. 57 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: Well, the real scandal is something that not only does 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: this country need to learn from, but you and I 59 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: need to learn from it, and Europe needs to learn 60 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: learn from it. In fact, all the Western civilization needs. 61 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: To learn from it. 62 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: And there are I know, there have been other shootings, 63 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: and there have been others anti Semitism galore, unfortunately everywhere 64 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: we turn. But here, the real scandal is not that 65 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: Sageta Crome and Navida Crome were in air quotes here unknown. 66 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: The scandal, I think, instead is how much of their 67 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: story sits inside the gaps of the Australian immigration system, 68 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: but also our immigration system, the Australian intelligence community, our 69 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: intelligence community, and for other countries like Western ear if 70 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: I would say, they're ha ha intel communities, our policing databases, 71 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: and a almost international refusal to name the ideology that 72 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: is driving or that was driving these two men. So 73 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: let's do a little bit of a deep dive into 74 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: who they were, how they lived, how they moved, how 75 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: Australia allowed them to become lethal, because I think we 76 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: can learn something from that. Sargd Akram was fifty years old. 77 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: He's the guy. He's the one that was killed at 78 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: the scene by the New South Wales Police. Navida crom 79 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: twenty four years old, survive, spent two days in a coma, 80 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: regained consciousness on their December sixteenth. 81 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: There yesterday to our today today. 82 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: Father and Son teen is a father and son teen 83 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: a family unit turned into an operational unit. And it 84 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: was not in my opinion the more I read about 85 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: it, it was not some random outburst. It was a deliberate, 86 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: well conceived and well executed, deliberate partnership. Start with Sajid 87 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: the father, because he's the quiet part of the puzzle 88 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: that ought to terrify you. He entered Australia in nineteen 89 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: ninety eight. Guess how on a student visa. Yes, in 90 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: one he transitioned to a partner visa what's what they 91 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: call in Australia that allows him. It's kind of like 92 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: a temporary protected status. That's the best analogy I can 93 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: come up with. And from being a partner visa, he 94 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: then became a long term permanent resident. He never became 95 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: a citizen, and he maintained his status through resident return visas. 96 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: Now that matters, And the reason it matters is. 97 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: Not because citizenship is some sort of magical moral stamp, 98 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: but because it reflects in Australia and it should reflect 99 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: in every other country. But I don't think it does 100 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: even in our country. It should reflect scrutiny, commitment and 101 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: the terms of belonging. So a decade long permanent resident 102 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: who can travel internationally, live very quietly, build a family 103 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: by property, and sit still outside the full civic compact 104 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: that we all engage in as citizens creates this kind 105 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: of gray area in the modern world. Gray area grey 106 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: zones are where a threat can hide in plain sight. 107 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: He's what we would call in the when I was 108 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: the under Secretary of Homeland Security, what we would refer 109 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: to as a clean skin. Nothing to see here, just 110 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: you know, no criminal record, nothing. But now adds something 111 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: that's kind of an anomaly. They're passports. In the weeks 112 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: before this attack, the Philippine immigration records reportedly listed Saji, 113 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: the father as an Indian national and an Australian resident 114 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: traveling on an Indian passport. Now, there's early talk in 115 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: Australia that also floated a Pakistani origin story. But news 116 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: claims circulating via telegram now say that Indian officials have 117 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: identified the father as a as a Heyderbad native who 118 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: last visited India in twenty twenty two, and that relatives 119 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: in India say they cut ties with him and the 120 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: son years and years ago. One family member described Saji's brother. 121 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: He's quoted as saying that Saji left India about twenty 122 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: five years ago, married a Christian in Australia and the 123 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: family was shocked. I don't think that's trivia. It actually 124 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: ought to be a flashy moarning light because it suggests 125 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: not saying it is not that I'm afraid of any 126 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: sort of wible or staying or lawsuit from mos yahoos. 127 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: But I do want to just be careful of my 128 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: language here, because I'm not saying that it is. I'm 129 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: just saying that suggests document fraud, dual nationality complications, cross 130 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: border administrative failures, and none of those options are acceptable 131 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: when we're talking about homeland security. When they were home, 132 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: they lived in Sydney Southwest. They moved in early twenty 133 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: twenty four into a brick house in Bonnie Rigg after 134 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: previously living in Cabramata. So he lived there with his wife, Verona, 135 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: their eldest son of the as well as two younger siblings. 136 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: Neighbors described them, But how do you think they've described 137 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: How do you think theighbors described them? 138 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: Driving? I quiet, friendly, kept themselves, Yeah, exactly, quiet and aloof. 139 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: Quiet and aloof is the story that I read. That's 140 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: what I got in. 141 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: Quotes here, Quiet and aloof the sort of people that 142 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: you barely would ever register. And that's how you maintain 143 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: your clean skin status. That's how you avoid attention, that's 144 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: how you avoid questions, that's how you become invisible. Now, 145 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: there were some early claims I could find about the 146 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: Jee's work, including I think I mentioned this yesterday. He 147 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: was a fruit shop owner or fruit seller, but there 148 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: apparently are some competing claims that those details were somehow 149 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: muddied or misattributed in the chaos after the attack. The 150 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: bigger point stands either way, his public profile was unremarkable, 151 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: no obvious red flags, a clean skin, as I say, 152 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: the kind of person who can pass checks that rely 153 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: on convictions and not rely on the intel community to 154 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: do deep dives into people that they ought to be 155 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: doing a deep dive into before they give He can 156 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: give a tourist visa, but they don't. 157 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: And then there's the weapons. 158 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: He operated inside Australia New South Wales their legal firearm ecosystem. 159 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: He held what's called a Category A and Category B license. 160 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: He had six guns registered in his name. Now his 161 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: pathway to those licenses is pretty revealing. He had applied 162 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: years earlier and that attempt lapsed. I can't find out why. 163 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but he originally applied several years ago 164 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: and then never felt, you know, never followed through with them. 165 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: He reapplied in twenty twenty. The license was finally issued 166 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. Now place that timeline alongside what 167 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: we know about the Sun. In twenty nineteen, the Australian 168 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 2: law enforcement officials investigated in a VID for extremist associations. 169 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: So the Australian Intel services somehow the Sun got on 170 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: their radar and the investigation lasted about six months and 171 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: included interviews with the family, and it ended with an 172 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: assessment that there was no indication of any ongoing threat 173 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: or of him engaging in violence. So he was treated 174 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: as low tier at not an imminent threat, and he 175 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: was not put under any sort of control order, which 176 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: is what they use we might call a surveillance order 177 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: in this country. So here's the question that we ought 178 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: to be asking, and don't let it go. If a 179 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: young man in a household is significant enough for the 180 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: intel community to investigate, how does that same household then 181 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: become the staging ground for legally registered arsenal just a 182 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: few years later. If you go in because you have intel, 183 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: you have actionable intelligence. The reason the reason I describe 184 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: it as actionable intelligence is because the ASIO in Australia 185 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: actually went to interview, actually went to the home, actually 186 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: started a file, started doing you know, open When I 187 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: say a file I mean, it could have been a 188 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: Manila folder, but it's more likely an electronic file. So 189 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: they have an electronic database that says this guy has 190 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: extremist tendencies. He has extremist ties, and so we ought 191 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 2: to be looking into that. And yet hm hm how 192 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 2: did they then get an arsenal? Either their intel systems 193 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: are not being transmitted to the systems that actually make 194 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: the life and death decisions about you know, who's can 195 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: own a gun or not on a gun, or the 196 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: system is designed to ignore intelligence unless it reaches some 197 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: other even higher extreme threshold. But either way the result 198 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: becomes the same. In Australia, they failed to connect the 199 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: dots and the consequences played out in the Blood that 200 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: we heard about. David's story is the homegrown half of 201 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: this duo born in Australia in one a citizen raised 202 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: in Sydney. Get that, so his father not a citizen, 203 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: but married a Christian, he becomes a citizen. He went 204 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: to high school in Cumbramata. People there who knew him 205 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: described him as dragon. How do you think they described 206 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: the student. 207 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: Quiet and kept to himself. 208 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: Quiet, polite and unremarkable. You're batting a thousand so far 209 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: in fact, his mom. 210 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 3: Of course. 211 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: Of course, if you called my mom right now and 212 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: ask her, or you called Dragon's mom, how do you 213 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: think they would describe. 214 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 3: The two of us. Well, we were the perfect children, 215 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: right well. 216 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 2: His mother described him as a good boy, devout, not drinking, 217 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: not smoking, keeping the work, exercise, and home. 218 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: Sounds like possible serial killer. 219 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 2: And yet this good boy helped perpetrate deception inside the 220 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: family home as if. 221 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 3: It was nothing at all. 222 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 2: And before the massacre, Sagjeda Avid told Verena that they 223 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: were going on a weekend fishing trip to Jervis Bay, 224 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: and then on the day of the shooting, Navin called 225 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: and kept the lie going, talking about how they were swimming, 226 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: scuba diving, eating calm, ordinary, no hesitation. This is what 227 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: a sealed, self contained plan looks like. But the ideological 228 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: trajectory of the sun didn't just come out of nowhere. 229 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: As a teenager, he appeared in street videos proselytizing in 230 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: western Sydney, speaking to schoolboys, pressing them to prioritize Islam 231 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: the law of olive above school and above work. Now 232 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: that's not just religion, that's the political framing that rejects 233 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: integration that rejects assimilation and elevates a separate authority above 234 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: the civic life that Australian share. Americans, are you paying attention? 235 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: Are you hey, UK? France, Germany, Portugal, Spain, Italy, You're 236 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: paying attention? This is a story that unfortunately, it is 237 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: something that we I don't you know, you're always supposed to, 238 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: you know, find the good and everything. There is no 239 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: good here other than if we want to recognize there 240 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: are lessons for us to learn. There's some lessons for 241 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: us to learn. The sun moved in circles tied to 242 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: the extremist networks that have produced ISIS linked offenses in Australia. 243 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: There was one key association. I found it in public reporting. 244 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: That was a figure referred to as Matari. Who's Matari? 245 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: Well hanging type? 246 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 4: Prety day yesterday, Rob Reiner, Trump's comments about reb Reiner, 247 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 4: Lindsey Graham coming out of the woodwork, shoomer, the bills? 248 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 4: What is going on? Are they are we going to 249 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 4: fix HEALTHI care in this country? 250 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: A silly girl, silly girls. They don't want to do anything, 251 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: They're just want to be seen doing something. 252 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: I saw something this morning, dragon as I was just 253 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: bruising the news. The Common Sense Institute here in Colorado, 254 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: they've on their website they you should go look at this. 255 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: In fact, if you find it, you might put it up. 256 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: It's one of those interactive graphs that shows how you know, 257 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: like I've seen them, where you know, what's the greatest 258 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: fast food chain or the largest fast food chain. You 259 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: can see it as it goes through the decades. How 260 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: you know McDonald's starts down here and then Dairy Queen 261 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: starts up here and it moves. You've seen those graphs, 262 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: they're they're really fascinating. Well, this one is about Colorado's 263 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: budget over the past decade and healthcare spending. If I 264 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 2: got the figures right, is the largest healthcare spending, which 265 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: includes financing and operations and everything, is somewhere north of 266 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: eighteen billion dollars, almost half of a forty billion dollar budget. 267 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: And you watch and one thing that stuck at as 268 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: I was watching all of that was how the office 269 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: of the governor governor has gone from back in say, 270 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: you know, what will they be twenty fifteen, from something 271 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: like oh, I don't know, I forget how much money 272 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: it was, but now it's like now it's like a 273 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: million bucks or more. I forget what the dollar figure was, 274 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: but it's grown exponentially. Just the governor's office, the budgets 275 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: just totally out of control in the state, absolutely out 276 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: of control. So yes, I agree you're right about that. 277 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: I haven't heard about what Schumer said. When you mentioned 278 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham coming I thought you were gonna say Lindsey 279 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: Graham was coming out. I thought, well, that'd be big news. 280 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: We can talk about that. So I don't know what 281 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham did. And then yes, Trump. Let me just 282 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 2: say this about Trump. I've tried to ignore it, primarily 283 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: because I think it's a horrible comment, something he should 284 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: not have said. And it's it's just, you know, if 285 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: I were Versusie Wiles, chief of staff, and I have 286 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: the influence that I think that she has, I would 287 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 2: have called. I would have walked into the Oval office 288 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: and ripped him a new one for doing that. Now, 289 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to excuse Rob Reiner because Rob Reiner 290 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: was infused with Trump arrangement syndrome. He said some god 291 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: awful things about Donald Trump, but that's neither here nor there. 292 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: The president should rise above that and ignore that because 293 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: lots of people. 294 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: Have TDS and he was brutally murdered by his son. 295 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I read the truth social post, it 296 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: was like, good lord, did you write this at three 297 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning? 298 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: And where you were? 299 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: You half on ambient or what? But anyway, Yes, it's 300 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: a novel statement. And that's all I got to say 301 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: about And I would add this. I've seen similar statements 302 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: from other so called conservative Republicans that I won't name here, 303 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 2: but they show up like in my Facebook feed, door, 304 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: they show up in my x feed, and I've just 305 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: I've muted some of them because it's like, good grief, 306 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: where's your humanity? Where's your humanity? So let's go back 307 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: to Novid Navid, as I said, was targeted by or 308 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 2: profile file by, or investigated by whatever verb you want 309 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: to use, the Australian Intelligence Services for his extremist views 310 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: and for his extremist ties. Now, there's one key association 311 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: that's in the public reporting about someone referred to as Matari. 312 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: Guess who Matari is in Australia. Matari is described as 313 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: a self declared Australian commander of ISIS who has served 314 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: a prison sentence for plotting an insurgency style agenda. Now, 315 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 2: in my vernacular, in my understanding, and based on my 316 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 2: experience of getting briefed by CIA, d O, d NSA, 317 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: everybody else, that's not just a few bad influences. That's 318 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: actual proximity to an extremist ecosystem, and that's actionable intelligence. 319 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: And the Australian Intelligence Services utterly failed. He was also 320 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: the son was also described as a follower of this 321 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: hardline preacher, name was Sam Haddad, who's also linked to 322 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: the Al Medina Dhalwall Center. 323 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: A federal court. 324 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: Ruling in Australia in twenty end this year found speeches 325 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: by Hadad have breached there. Now I don't necessarily agree 326 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: with this, but nonetheless it violated their Racial Discrimination Act 327 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: because it contained racist and ismitic tropes, including really vile 328 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: descriptions of Jewish people. Now, a lawyer for Hadad had 329 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: denied any involvement in the Bondi attack. Well, okay, that's fine, 330 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: but you cannot you cannot pretend that there is no 331 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: ideological lineage where anti Semitic preaching is the actual background 332 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: noise of a young man's world. And then somehow a 333 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: Jewish celebration becomes the target and you're asleep at the switch. 334 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: That is. 335 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: Let me just there's still things I want to tell 336 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: you about this. I don't want to bury the anymore 337 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: radical islamist radical Islam. And I know that some of 338 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: you can get mad at me because they use the 339 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: word radical, but I think that's the most accurate description. 340 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: Radical Islam is a danger and a threat to Western civilization. Now, 341 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: if you're Muslim, sorry, but you're gonna have to convince 342 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 2: me otherwise in some way, and in some way besides 343 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: killing me, that you're not violent, and that you don't 344 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: see me as an apostate, and that you allow me 345 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: to practice my Christianity. Otherwise, you, indeed are a threat 346 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: to Western civilization. Do you see the pattern that I've 347 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: been describing words. You got worldviews, you got networks, and 348 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: then you have violence. The ideology is not the afterthought. 349 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: The ideology is the engine that is driving this violence. 350 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: It is the ideology that we witnessed on the campus 351 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: of Columbia, that we witnessed on Harvard, that we've witnessed 352 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 2: all across Charlie Ebdoh. How long ago was Charlie Ebdoh 353 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: We've witnessed it and witnessed it and witnessed it, and 354 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: nobody will speak the freaking. 355 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: Truth about what is the engine. 356 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: It is the ideology, and the ideology is Islam. It's 357 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 2: the engine. Now, Navid pursued Islamic studies locally. He spent 358 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: about a year in an institute in Heckenberg. There's a 359 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: deleted social media post that was said to have indicated 360 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: that he had completed some sort of you know, Muslim course. 361 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it was that he got some 362 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: sort of certificate. Again, I don't know this because I 363 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: don't have all the details of all the Australian news. 364 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: But let's be clear. Religious study does not automatically equal 365 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: piece or good character. No, I understand. It can provide status, 366 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: It can provide identity and authority inside an insular setting, 367 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: especially when somebody is hunger and searching out for meaning. 368 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: But then you got to add in the destabilization and 369 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: what do wa I mean by that? October of this year, 370 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: two months before this attack, Navid lost his job as 371 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: a bricklayer because his employer had become bankrupt. So then 372 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 2: you've got a loss of routine, you have a loss 373 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: of structure that can amplify the appeal of extremism. Anytime 374 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: you see ne'er do wells, Can I use that term? 375 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 2: Or is that going to be offensive to somebody? Call 376 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: somebody that cares. When you see people just lounging around 377 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: the hood, just lounging around the neighborhood, just lounging around downtown, 378 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: nothing to do, no not paying attention to clock or 379 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: any thing else, that's where you get the hardcore ideology 380 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: that gets injected and then becomes part and parcel of 381 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: the soul. 382 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: Michael and Dragon. 383 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Did the news ever clear up whether or not the 384 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: Australian police sat there and hit behind their cars rather. 385 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: Than some did some did not. I don't know about. 386 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: I've seen that particular photo of it. It appears to 387 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: be a female constable and I don't know whether well, 388 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: she's clearly hiding behind the car, that's just factual. Whether 389 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: she was hiding behind the car because she was armed 390 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 2: or unarmed, I don't know. Some are armed, some are unarmed. 391 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: They're like the British cops, some of them. 392 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: You know, if he. 393 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 2: Watched British TeV, he watched any of the British Cops shows, 394 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated by you know, this is what they 395 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: call them d This is DCI, you know red Beard 396 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: and DCI. Red Beard goes charging into a drug infested 397 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: you know, rat hole and doesn't have a weapon on him. 398 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: That always fascinates me, Like, really, you people are really stupid, 399 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: really stupid, real quickly. In addition to the associations, there's 400 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: the travel. Just last month, the father and son traveled 401 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: to the Philippines. They flew into Manila and then going 402 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 2: onwards to the Veil before returning to Sydney, and reportedly 403 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: traveled on that Indian passport, while the sun traveled on 404 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: his Australian passport. Now, I don't know whether that reflects obfuscation, 405 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 2: identity complexity, or a bureaucratic mess, but it is not 406 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 2: something that a serious security system would just wave away. 407 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: You'd at least ask about it. And there are serious, 408 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 2: serious reports that now suggest that they undertook military style 409 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: training in the Southern Philippines just in the weeks before 410 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 2: the massacre. What is undeniable is that they returned to 411 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 2: Sydney just a few weeks before the attack, and the 412 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: sophistication of their preparation suggests more than just the spontaneous 413 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: rage that we keep trying to use as well. They just, 414 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: you know, they just they just went they went crazy, 415 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: and it wasn't This was not just guns. As I 416 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: said yesterday, the cops have recovered iedes that are linked 417 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: to these two, including devices found in the vehicle and 418 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 2: another device that was located at the crime scene. So 419 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: that changes the character of the attack because explosives suggest 420 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: intent beyond shooting. They suggest they were planning, they were assembling, 421 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 2: and they had escalation plans. 422 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 3: And you can't ignore the staging. You don't. 423 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: You don't just you know, go out and plant the 424 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 2: bomb and then go out and start shooting. Everything was staged, 425 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: and in the in the lead up to this state, 426 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: they rented short term accommodations in Campsey for about two 427 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: weeks and improvised ex explosives were recovered from that address. 428 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: So a second location means they had a movement of equipment, 429 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: they had privacy for preparations, and they had distance from 430 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: the family home. That's operational thinking that they had upset 431 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: for you in the military, for those of you in 432 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: the intel communities, they had operational security. And then when 433 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: the attack came, it was time to hit a Jewish 434 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: community gathering for Hanukkah at Archer Park. Thousands of people, 435 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: including families and children, and they used long arms that 436 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: were legally registered. They wore black, tactical style clothing. There 437 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: was no clear escape plan, which I would read as 438 00:28:53,360 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: a martyrdom mindset. Once again, radical Islam on site, right 439 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: before our very eyes quit denying it