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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to Vikings fan Line. Sadly the Vikings

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Speaker 3: lose twenty eight twenty two. Whether it's your phone calls,

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Speaker 3: I got a ton of talkbacks, dialed up text messages.

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Speaker 3: I'm NORDO from nine to noon. Ron Johnson is gonna

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Speaker 3: be with me shortly. But the head coach, Kevin O'Connell,

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Speaker 3: addressing the media from the podium, we're gonna listen.

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Speaker 4: Out of the fact that they win the turnover battle

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Speaker 4: two to nothing.

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Speaker 5: We did that two weeks ago, and.

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Speaker 4: I told our team that is rare and not a

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Speaker 4: formula you know, to to win games consistently, and you know,

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Speaker 4: showed up again today and was very unfortunate. But I

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Speaker 4: thought defensively, their ability to stop the run against a

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Speaker 4: team that was, you know, gonna come out.

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Speaker 5: And try to run the football on us was a

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Speaker 5: real positive.

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Speaker 4: But clearly a lot of explosives and and Jalen and

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Speaker 4: their offense made some big time plays that kind of

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Speaker 4: limited our ability there in the second half to truly

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Speaker 4: try to come all the way back and you know,

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Speaker 4: win the game. I thought we had a touchdown chance

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Speaker 4: there to to TJ and ended up being a you know,

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Speaker 4: a fourth down that we convert and then we've got

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Speaker 4: to find a way to put that one in the

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Speaker 4: end zone. But I thinking back on the red zone trips,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think we might have missed an op

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Speaker 4: on a on a flat on one of our run

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Speaker 4: pass solution run pass option plays, we snapped the ball

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Speaker 4: over the quarterback's head for a minus twenty two yard loss,

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Speaker 4: and then I got to get some clarification just on

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Speaker 4: the holding call. Seemed to be a pretty routine and

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Speaker 4: kind of play. But you know, that's that's the way,

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Speaker 4: that's the way it goes sometimes. But short week guys

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Speaker 4: are already in the recovery mode now, and we'll turn

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Speaker 4: our guys over and go compete on Thursday night.

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Speaker 5: Injury updates.

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Speaker 4: Just as Ay Scott and c J ham as A

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Speaker 4: Scott had a right wrist and CJ had a left hand,

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Speaker 4: those guys will be evaluated here, you know, currently going

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Speaker 4: on right now, Kevin.

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Speaker 6: When Dalen Hurts makes the place he makes on those

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Speaker 6: third downs, especially when he gets out, how difficult is

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Speaker 6: that to defend, just when he's able to extend things

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Speaker 6: as long as.

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Speaker 2: He did on a couple.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a big, you know, big part of

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Speaker 4: the game plan was going to try to contain him

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Speaker 4: as much as we could to the pocket and try

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Speaker 4: to get home and see if we can first and

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Speaker 4: foremost force him into what seemed like I don't know

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Speaker 4: if I'm right on this, but it felt like three

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Speaker 4: of their third down conversions maybe the three they had

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Speaker 4: in the game, we're all long yardage kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: pretty pretty backbreak kind of plays when you've done everything

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Speaker 4: then they not only end up converting, but for some

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Speaker 4: explosive gains there. So I know, our guys competed all

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Speaker 4: day long. I thought the defense, you know, even with

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Speaker 4: they were able to kind of give us some ops

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Speaker 4: And it was back and forth, just trying to find

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Speaker 4: in at least find a way to get a lead

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Speaker 4: at some point there in the second half. Had no

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Speaker 4: you know, no issues moving the football. Was it was

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Speaker 4: we were able to rectify some things on third down,

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Speaker 7: What did you see, Kny the second after we did,

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Speaker 7: as you guys have written the offensively through the year.

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Speaker 4: As well, I think, you know, throughout most of the

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Speaker 5: I thought our I thought our guys, you know, we.

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Speaker 4: Had some early success in the past game moving.

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Speaker 4: Then they made some adjustments and we made some real

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Speaker 4: guys like Jordan Addison, TJ. Speedy, all those guys had

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Speaker 4: I thought Justin was, you know, his normal self from

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Speaker 4: a standpoint of being a problem, and there was some

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Speaker 4: real emphasis to try to limit his impact, which opened

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Speaker 5: Good interior player there.

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Speaker 4: In ninety eight, when we could hold up and allow

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Speaker 4: we had some real opportunities down the field and enough

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Speaker 4: a very long situation coming off of a penalty and

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Speaker 4: in third and forever and then turn it over on

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Speaker 4: that third down. Just plays that we it just feels

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Speaker 4: like we put ourselves in some of the situations of

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Speaker 4: the football game that, although they competed, we've we've got

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Speaker 4: to clean up, you know, we can't allow you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe third down execution one week isn't up to the standard,

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Speaker 5: To the red zone.

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Speaker 4: When you do have a good day on third down,

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Speaker 2: Said, holding in the red zones sort of routine.

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Speaker 4: What do you mean, just a normal technique that you

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Speaker 4: the league. From a trap you know, it's called a trap,

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Speaker 4: you know, knock a guy's hands down. I've got to

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Speaker 4: go back and watch it, you know, didn't see it

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Speaker 4: and they're gonna, you know, they're gonna make those calls

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Speaker 4: and can't give them the opportunity to throw those penalties

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Speaker 4: because penalties and negatives in the red zone make it

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Speaker 4: really hard to come away with points. Verse seven.

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Speaker 8: Did you get any clarity or understanding of why TJ's

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Speaker 4: Really, my question was kind of connected to TJ's play

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Speaker 4: to the Saquon Barkley challenge that I had early on

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Speaker 4: in the game, because it seemed like a very kind

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Speaker 4: of similar premise of why they should maybe be similar,

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Speaker 4: but I did not.

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Speaker 5: I did not obvious or not obviously.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did not get any You know, I'm not

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Speaker 4: a part of the conversations with with Bill or New York,

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Speaker 4: but this oud judge that I was standing with tried

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Speaker 4: to update me as much as possible. But the main

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Speaker 4: update that I got was incomplete pass.

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Speaker 9: Kid.

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Speaker 2: What did you say with Carson's first interception?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they brought a you know, they they brought a

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Speaker 4: man pressure where they dropped a defensive end out gave

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Speaker 4: up a little penetration there. I think ninety eight was

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Speaker 4: We're doing a lot of things to to try to

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Speaker 4: like that. But they were able to kind of dictate

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Speaker 4: more click to let him clear that dropper. But at

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Speaker 4: the same time, I think Carson had to get rid

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Speaker 4: had a dropper right in the initial window of the

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Speaker 4: play and and there was a critical critical play in

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Speaker 4: the game for sure.

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Speaker 2: Solid you assessed Carson to be playing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought he competed.

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Speaker 4: I mean clearly he you know, was able to you know,

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Speaker 4: allow our offense to be explosive. I think there was

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Speaker 4: some I think there were some plays that you know,

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Speaker 4: a sack right there, you know, the interceptions for for

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Speaker 4: And then you know we were third and forever or

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Speaker 4: we kind of had a kind of designer type move,

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Speaker 4: the pocket type play. Didn't think we particularly protected very

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Speaker 4: But then he you know, that's not a time that

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Speaker 4: in many ways sometimes on those plays. But the first

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Speaker 4: one was you know, good defensive call by them thinking

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Speaker 4: the perfect look for the play, and as we talk

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Speaker 5: The field, if it's too good to be true, it

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Speaker 5: probably is.

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Speaker 4: So we got to confirm that and make sure that

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Speaker 4: those things don't happen.

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Speaker 6: Kevin, after the Hockinson catch gets overturned, did you think

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Speaker 6: it all about kicking the field goal there and saving

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Speaker 5: Yep, yep, I did.

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Speaker 4: It was just it was just a matter of it

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Speaker 4: being fourth and two. The idea of still getting seven

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Speaker 4: right there was, you know, something that I wanted to

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Speaker 4: be aggressive on. And then just knowing that if we

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Speaker 4: did have a scenario where with all three of our

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Speaker 4: timeouts left a scenario where we were getting it back,

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Speaker 4: if we could get seven right there, hold them and

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Speaker 4: then the way Will was kicking the ball, you know,

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Speaker 4: thought the longer since we were already so far down

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Speaker 5: Ben you know, you you.

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Speaker 4: Clearly if you have to exhaust your three timeouts and

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Speaker 4: then move it maybe thirty five thirty thirty five yards

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Speaker 4: or so and give Will a chance to win. It

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Speaker 4: was kind of a thought process there.

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Speaker 3: As head coach Kevin O'Connell with the media hearing his

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Speaker 3: explanation as to why he decided to go for it

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Speaker 3: on fourth already in the red zone and ends up

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Speaker 3: sadly another minute off the clock and they're still kicking

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Speaker 3: a field goal on the wrong side of the two

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Speaker 3: minute warning.

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Speaker 2: That's the head coach addressing the media.

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Speaker 3: I'm Nordo from nine to noon. Ron Johnson is with me.

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Speaker 3: just ten fifteen seconds. We're gonna pause for station identification.

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Speaker 2: one hundred point three.

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Speaker 3: All right, fan line starting in Earnest, your home for

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Speaker 3: Vikings football the Fan Minnesota Vikings Audio Network, I should say,

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Speaker 3: getting the rhythm there. I'm Nordo from nine to noon.

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Speaker 3: Ron Johnson is with me. The Vikings lose twenty eight

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Speaker 3: twenty two. Thanks you, thank you for hanging out with me, Ron,

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna dive right into the talkbacks.

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Speaker 11: Let's listen all the teams covered JJ Jefferson jet with

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Speaker 11: no problem getting two guys around him and keep him

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Speaker 12: He's that much slower than everybody else.

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Speaker 11: Explain the difference between not only Brown but on other teams.

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Speaker 11: They have done the same thing, and Jefferson can't.

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Speaker 3: Must be justin. Jefferson is slow. It looks slow to

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Speaker 3: me on that forty yards near the sideline. There's no

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Speaker 2: Free iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you hit the microphone, give us up

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Speaker 3: to your best thirty seconds. The Vikings lost. People are frustrated.

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Speaker 3: Let's keep listening.

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Speaker 2: Only thing good about today.

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Speaker 3: It solidifies that we don't have to worry about the

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Speaker 3: Vikings losing a fifth Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Oh this is pathetic another talk back.

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Speaker 13: I'm sure it's been said nauseum. This game is on

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Speaker 13: koc and Carson Wentz, and honestly, probably more on the

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Speaker 13: former for deciding not to pull the ladder. On the ladder,

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Speaker 13: it's disappointing you had this Super Bowl champs on the ropes.

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Speaker 2: Disappointing.

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Speaker 3: Ten thousand foot view thoughts Vikings lose twenty eight, twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Where's your head?

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Speaker 3: A Ron?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: The red zone. When you go in the red zone

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Speaker 7: six times one of six and you get one touchdown,

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Speaker 7: that is is troubling. And we talked about that on

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Speaker 7: the pregame show, about the Eagles in the red zone

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Speaker 7: you want to, but you know that's that's striking distance

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Speaker 7: for any high powered offense in the twenty five and

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Speaker 2: Hockinson.

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Speaker 7: Once you hit that twenty five, you've got to have

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Speaker 7: the best plays down out up and it some you

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Speaker 7: could say, okay, bad throw here, holding here, uh, drop here.

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Speaker 2: But also some of those throws just have to be made.

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Speaker 7: And then like it just doesn't make sense, you know,

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Speaker 7: some of it, Like you said, the timing of all right,

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Speaker 7: we're going to kick a field goal here versus going

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Speaker 7: for it But if we're going to go for it here,

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Speaker 7: then we're still not gonna keep going for it. We're

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Speaker 7: it doesn't really make sense. Where if you've already burned

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Speaker 7: you might as well go ahead and go for it.

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Speaker 2: He can't take the sack there, true, the sack throwing

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Speaker 3: Sack that it takes Yeah, Like I'm actually I'm not

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Speaker 3: mad at the logic of O'Connell.

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Speaker 2: There is weorre we. We don't want to have to

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Speaker 2: make this drive again.

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Speaker 3: We have had issues once we get to the doorstep,

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Speaker 3: Let's just try to finish this and get seven now

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Speaker 3: and hopefully we can have time for a field goal left.

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Speaker 3: And you do have to travel fewer yards and the

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Speaker 3: kid kicker can put it from sixty So but you

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Speaker 7: The sack right and and I where if it is

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Speaker 7: four plays before this game, which was third least in

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Speaker 2: So is that part of this?

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Speaker 7: They just haven't been there enough to like feel like,

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Speaker 2: What are we good at down here? Should we run

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Speaker 2: the ball Aaron?

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Speaker 7: Like Aaron Jones is normally one of the weapons out

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Speaker 7: don't think there was one pass to Jordan Mason unless

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Speaker 7: I'm missing something where he ran like a Texas route

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Speaker 2: With a linebacker.

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Speaker 7: It was none of There was none of that like

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Speaker 7: the running back. None of that was done. And I

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Speaker 7: and one from that spot, they would have to pushed

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Speaker 7: a couple more times. They did it to the I mean,

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Speaker 7: if you know you watched the game, they did it

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Speaker 7: we're bullies, We're just gonna beat you up with our physicality, and.

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Speaker 2: Well do you see Tyler Baddie laying down there on

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Speaker 7: I said, the only way to stop the tush push

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Speaker 7: You got the submarine the first attackers, but the guards

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Speaker 7: They don't throw the flag because the guard is up

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Speaker 3: That's a false start. Well not just that, but I

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Speaker 7: It is horribly like a refereed or judge however you

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Speaker 2: It's horribly officiated.

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Speaker 7: Like But yeah, like I said, you have to submarine

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Speaker 7: But yeah, you know what, stop it. Just I don't

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Speaker 7: mind the tush push.

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Speaker 2: Don't let this.

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Speaker 7: Don't let them push the quarterbacks push because down the

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Speaker 2: Just let them. Just let them try to sneak it.

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Speaker 7: Sneak it with that same type of submarine sometimes same

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Speaker 7: type of play. But pushing the quarterback forward to me

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Speaker 2: Too many tushies and push tushes getting pushed. Let's jump

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Speaker 2: to the phone lines. We'll start Colin and Maple Grove. Colin,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Vikings fan line. Hey, hey, ari 'all doing

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Speaker 2: doing well? Thank you?

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Speaker 14: I just I just need to talk about one because

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Speaker 14: I'm usually a positive person, but it was so hard

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Speaker 14: finding anything to talk good about with one today. I mean,

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Speaker 14: for a guy drafted in twenty sixteen, you'd think we'd

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Speaker 14: when he the management of the clock at then was

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Speaker 14: so bad, and then like so the intentional grounding today

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Speaker 14: was just such a bad throw. There's just so many

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Speaker 14: little mistakes that he's making. The second interception, It's like,

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Speaker 14: why do you even why are you throwing that out there?

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Speaker 14: Throw it out of bounds. I've seen you throw it

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Speaker 14: other times. And I mean missing Addison in stride, staring

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Speaker 14: can't believe he didn't because I feel like the out

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Speaker 14: routes with Addison made him look competent enough, But I mean,

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Speaker 14: he was just missing Jefferson and Hawk. It's Hawkington and

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Speaker 14: Addison over and over and over again. That there's zero

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Speaker 14: accuracy from him, and there's like a disconnect between the

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Speaker 14: sickening to watch. And so I'm just wondering who's starting

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Colin, thanks for the call. That's one

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Speaker 3: thing we were kind of talking about just the off air.

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Speaker 3: Ron Is Carson was not accurate for the most part

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Speaker 3: in totality at all throughout the game today. That that

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Speaker 2: Did it have to be that way? If he's thrown

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Speaker 2: in stride, is it a touchdown? You heard the head coach.

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Speaker 3: He even referenced, you know, some part of the reds

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Speaker 2: You nailed it right out of the gate.

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Speaker 3: One to six in the red zone, Viking should be

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Speaker 3: But he misses c J ham on an opportunity, on

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Speaker 2: Or maybe it was second. I forget what it was.

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Speaker 2: Missus that we're we're up in arms.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a call from somebody on the

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Speaker 2: Just throw it to him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't and t J has had trouble making

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Speaker 3: the big catch while wearing a purple uniform. It shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have had to be a great catch, didn't have to

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Speaker 3: I thought he not just the decision making, the intentional grounding.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's just a Saturday morning football folly. I

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Speaker 3: don't even understand what he was thinking there the second interception,

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Speaker 2: That just at a base level.

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Speaker 3: How inaccurate he was today, Not that he's ever been

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Speaker 3: The lack of accuracy was indeed awful from Carson.

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Speaker 7: No, and he, like I said, he has been known

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Speaker 7: Here's the linebacker. Linebacker goes, I'm pulling it. Linebacker stays

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Speaker 7: Like it's not it's not as accurate as it used

445
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 7: to be, when he can kind of sit back on

446
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 7: his heels and just sling it out their sideways. When

447
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 7: he did it was that I forgot twenty eighteen, seventeen,

448
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 7: whatever year that was. Everybody loved him. Man, Look at

449
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 7: this guy, Look at his throat, Look at this now.

450
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 7: It's like, you might want to set your feet. You

451
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 7: might want to just drive it in there and throw

452
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 7: the ball, you know, that deep ball again to Addison.

453
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 7: He's going to wash that back and be like, oh

454
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 7: my goodness, if I just throw it to him. He

455
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 7: threw it out of bounds, like literally, it was going

456
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 7: towards out of bounds. If Addison doesn't touch, it goes

457
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 7: out of bounds if you just drive it at him. Again,

458
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody was in his lap. I don't

459
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 7: think he had too much pressure coming at him. But

460
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 7: there were times where he was getting you know, hit,

461
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 7: and guys were getting run by. So again, does that

462
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 7: freak him out a little bit like a bunch today?

463
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.

464
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 7: Mean it's it's it's just one of those things, the

465
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 7: second guessing. But yeah, the Hockinson one, you just got

466
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 7: to take your time, sit in the pocket, realize this

467
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 7: guy is wide open.

468
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: Let me just drive it in or layer it over

469
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: the top.

470
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 7: Even if he had threw his soft and slow over

471
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 7: the top, Hockinson can run under it. He kind of

472
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 7: threw it too hard and too flat and too far

473
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 7: in front of him. It's just like, what is it

474
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 7: the footwork? Because again Kaosy always talks about that, what

475
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 7: was your footwork on that? Where was your shoulder pointed?

476
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 7: You know, we do know he has some shoulder pain

477
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 7: and some other stuff. So was he compensating to try

478
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 7: to make some of these throws. We don't know the answer,

479
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 7: but it did not look great where you got a

480
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 7: lot of people on Twitter saying Max Brozman should play

481
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 7: a Thursday Night That's yeah, that's crazy. Which is I

482
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 7: mean Max look great in preseason? Does Max go out here?

483
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 7: And again one of those Jamie Fox Willie Beeman stories

484
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 7: where Max Broseman's the third quarterback comes in and leads

485
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 7: the Vikings to glory.

486
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: Who knows? You know, this is like never a dull

487
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: moment with you.

488
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 3: I've seen any given Sunday before, but you've referenced Willy

489
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: Beaman three four guys.

490
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: I gotta watch it to really appreciate it.

491
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: A lot of Brosemre love via the talkbacks, a lot

492
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: of Brosmer love via the tex text line. Jason in Dallas,

493
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: apparently not a lot of love for the O line. Jason,

494
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: welcome to Vikings fan line.

495
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 9: How's it going.

496
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 2: It's going well. How are you?

497
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 15: I'm good. I'm in Dell, Texas, you know, actually Detton.

498
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 16: But anyhow, I get.

499
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 15: So angry that the offensive line stinks. I mean, they're

500
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 15: doing better, they have injuries.

501
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 2: I understand that.

502
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 15: You see, and if you give the quarterback protection, does

503
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 15: it ever change mccarth or Carson, Wancher, Brosner, It doesn't matter.

504
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 15: You give them some time, you're gonna make some good plays.

505
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 15: And then the whole Hockinson catch in the end zone.

506
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 15: He laid himself out there.

507
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 16: It was amazing, and the Eagles.

508
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 17: Had a catch somewhat Simooter that and.

509
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 18: It was a complete path.

510
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, but the referee think, I'll uh, I'll pause and

511
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 15: listen to your playback.

512
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it, Thank you, Jason to that catch.

513
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: I think during Kao's pressure and then I saw something

514
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: on X that it was not the actual referees in

515
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: the stadium that overturned it. That was a ruling specifically

516
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: from New York during the review process. It's kind of

517
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: odd given how they how they ultimately reviewed the Devonte

518
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 3: Smith catch that was not a catch correct and.

519
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 7: We couldn't take it a match like the TV was

520
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 7: it because you guys have a clearer look. Did it

521
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 7: go through and hit the ground the DeVante Smith? Yeah,

522
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 7: because the job video that the refs were using. Again,

523
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 7: I don't know why they don't give them every possible

524
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 7: TV and like you said, why does it a New

525
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 7: York chime in because they're like, hey, we got a

526
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 7: clear image of our TV copy it does go through

527
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 7: and hit the ground. Because the jumbo tron, as big

528
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 7: as it is and you've been there, we could not see.

529
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 7: We couldn't tell like it just it looks like he

530
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 7: caught it and then it like disappears, so you can't

531
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 7: tell if that's a knee cap, Like you can't really

532
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 7: see what it is. And everybody because it's like it

533
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 7: wasn't like a you know, normally the fans cheer or whatever.

534
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 7: It was kind of like a like a rumbling like

535
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 7: everybody's like mumbling like, well, I don't know, like you know,

536
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 7: and even the Viking sideline wasn't super like you know,

537
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 7: like it was just everybody was like, what is that,

538
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 7: Like it has his knee is at the ball, like

539
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 7: is it disappears as soon as it hits his hands,

540
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 7: it disappears, And so you can't tell what happens after that.

541
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Speaker 2: And that it was clear on the because they said inconclusive.

542
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, okay, to the to the to

543
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 3: the Hawkinson one though I was dry disappeared to very

544
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: it was very similar.

545
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: And it's rule a touchdown. And if you.

546
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: Weren't, if you weren't unable to overturn what I actually

547
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: think via the TV copy was way obvious. The ability

548
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: to overturn that is kind of frustrating to me.

549
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 7: And here's the thing too, they because I was listening

550
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 7: to you know, always listening to that another radio, so

551
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 7: I can hear a versage. You know, we're listening to

552
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 7: the TV because we went into the other to the

553
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 7: other room, and you can hear the TV guys too.

554
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 7: So I'm trying to get both sides of this. And

555
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 7: the one thing that made zero sense was Pereira. You know,

556
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 7: he's like, well, yeah, if it, if he has it,

557
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 7: and then it's allowed to move, but he can't touch it.

558
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 2: It never touched the ground. It moved up into his

559
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: shoulder on his hands were under it.

560
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 7: Yea, his hands were under it. It went upwards towards

561
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 7: his body, and he never lost control. It never hit

562
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 7: the ground. He never went out of bounds, because that's

563
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 7: the other thing they're saying. If you don't have control

564
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 7: and your body touches out of bounds, it's not a catch.

565
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 7: He stayed in the purple, so everything that should make

566
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 7: that a catch somehow.

567
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what these refs bet. I don't know

568
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: who they bet with.

569
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Speaker 7: But Jimmy the bookie is probably like, hey, if you

570
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 7: want your money, you gotta make sure that's not a touchdown,

571
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 7: because that was a touchdown in my opinion, I don't

572
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 7: see how you overturned that.

573
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those classics. If it's called such,

574
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I frankly, I'm not mad that DeVante Smith

575
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: got that catch for I'm not mad at that. But

576
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 3: two different universes, right, One is early stages of a game.

577
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: I think it was a chain mover. Okay, I get it.

578
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 3: This is a freaking touchdown with three minutes left in

579
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: the game, and we see how it ensues, of course,

580
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: and how things play out afterwards, you decide to go

581
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: for it anyway, if.

582
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 7: The rest called a touchdown, I don't think Philadelphia like

583
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody's mad at it. I think everybody

584
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 7: had been like yep is inconclusive, right. But the fact

585
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 7: that they thought they saw enough. You never actually see

586
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 7: it touch the ground. You never saw it from any angle.

587
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 7: You never saw in the ref they called it, called

588
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 7: it a touchdown. So how do you overturn that They

589
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 7: saw it move, But you can't say it hit the

590
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 7: ground to move. His arm hit the ground and it

591
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 7: moves upward.

592
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: That's it.

593
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 7: So the fact that they're saying, because that's they tried

594
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 7: to say, it's like it moves, So it's not a catch.

595
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: That's not the rule. It never touches the ground. If

596
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: it doesn't touch the ground, it can move wherever the

597
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: hell it like.

598
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 7: You could kick it in the air before you land,

599
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 7: and as long as you catch it, it's a catch

600
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 7: if it doesn't touch the ground.

601
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: And that's so dumb wouldn't encourage you to kick it.

602
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: I thought A. J.

603
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 7: Brown was going to kick that one. He threw it

604
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 7: like fifteen rolls up. I'm like, he's gonna get a

605
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 7: nice little fine this week.

606
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, how about that.

607
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: It's like, well, we got to stop, say Quantill, we do,

608
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: and he goes off. But then instead their pair of

609
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: disgruntled receivers.

610
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 7: Absolutely the coach was like, I'm sicking you guys reading

611
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 7: books on the sideline.

612
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: Go to work.

613
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 3: Davante Smith, by the way, basically as his like whenever

614
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 3: he plays us, he has a career game.

615
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a problem that needs to stop.

616
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 7: And but Byron Murphy, so Byron Murphy was moving with

617
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 7: AJ Brown a ton Davante Smith kind of became the

618
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 7: like Isaiah Rodgers backs out too far, wide open in

619
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 7: the middle of the field, you know, like there's a

620
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 7: lot of that. Like it was, where's AJ Brown?

621
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: Where's a J.

622
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 12: Brown?

623
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 5: Oh?

624
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: Shoot, we forgot about.

625
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 7: The dude wearing lime green cleats, the brightest cleats out there.

626
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: How do you lose him? Hard to mess but they did, Keith.

627
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: And saying Cloud Keith, welcome to Vikings fan line.

628
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 17: Hey, afternoon, Ron, after noon, Nordley. I guys doing.

629
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: Good and well man, other than the loss, Yeah.

630
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 19: You know, I don't want to be.

631
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 17: It sucks right. We're all Vikings fans, we're all lifting

632
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 17: in on the radio or watching the game, and the

633
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 17: defense played I think lights out right. Even Ron was

634
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 17: mentioning the whole all day, were trying to stop the

635
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 17: tush push. I thought that was great. I mean, personally,

636
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 17: great job. I just I really like the prayer caller

637
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 17: you had on or two colors ago, Carson Wentz. There's

638
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 17: there's something going on there, like you have all these

639
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 17: hot takes that people saying, Oh, he's a game manager,

640
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 17: he's so, he's so clutch. I I don't see it.

641
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 17: Fourth quarter and I was mentioning the sax on the

642
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 17: when I called in and maybe Ron, if you were

643
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 17: in the stadium, that last ride that we had, we

644
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 17: went down the field and yeah, I mean we run

645
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 17: out the bounce at the clock still runs. I swear

646
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 17: the play clock was down single digits every single play

647
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 17: two three one second every play. I think we I

648
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 17: think that drive and I don't know the time. I

649
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 17: mean you guys probably looked up. I swear that drive

650
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 17: was eight minutes. I mean, I'm not saying Carson Wentz

651
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 17: is the worst quarterback ever, but you go down play

652
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 17: against the clock. We could have done finished at three

653
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 17: minutes in that time, almost down the clock. It was

654
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 17: very frustrating. I guess I'm curious. Were there substitutions during

655
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 17: that drive that they weren't showing on the on the

656
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 17: TV feed? Was there something that I, as a viewer

657
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 17: on TV myssed? I mean, again, that drive was the

658
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 17: most frustrating thing ever, in addition to the overturn touchdown,

659
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 17: in addition to all the bath rolls. Again, everything that's

660
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 17: been called in and said, I feel the same way.

661
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 17: I'm just curious about that drive. Any feedback will be great.

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Speaker 17: But hey, thanks, thanks normal, Thanks Ron for all your

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Speaker 17: hot snakes too. We all love this, so thanks guys,

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Speaker 17: and any feedback. Again, I wasn't there to see it, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you. Any thoughts Ron would drive?

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Speaker 2: He was saying, a whole bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well done, Ron Nick and Sue falls Nick. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: Vikings fan line.

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Speaker 20: Hey, guys, Ron already hit the nail on the head

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Speaker 20: on this one.

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Speaker 18: Just a bout that TJ.

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Speaker 20: Hawkinson, in my opinion, mis call. You know, we're in

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Speaker 20: twenty twenty five here and we only have two camera

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00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 20: angles I know he bobbled it, but you know his

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Speaker 20: arms are still underneath the ball, and if it's inconclusive,

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Speaker 20: you got to go with what the refs are go

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Speaker 20: on the field, which is a touchdown. So pretty disappointing

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Speaker 20: that they called that back there, And honestly, you listen

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Speaker 20: to Pereira on TV and I don't know if you

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Speaker 20: could even trust that guy. Do you trust the guys

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Speaker 20: in New York to make the call? Either not be

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Speaker 20: a conspirats, but he don't always you know, agree with

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Speaker 20: kind of what they go with. And adding on to that,

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Speaker 20: I think it's Brozemer time. I know it's a four

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Speaker 20: day week here playing Thursday, but I wouldn't mind seeing

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Speaker 20: the quarterback change. Even Kirk Cousins name sounds good right now,

687
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Speaker 20: Daniel Jones lighting up and Aaron Rodgers, all these different

688
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Speaker 20: names just went on the field. Just isn't doing the job.

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Speaker 20: In my opinion, call you guys and the.

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Speaker 2: Chargers are getting killed twenty to three by the Coats.

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Speaker 2: Here here's what I'm going to say, though.

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Speaker 3: Text messages correct, different camera angle that I saw on

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Speaker 3: my phone while he was talking. Correct, the ball hit

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Speaker 3: the ground run it did? It did hit the ground,

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Speaker 3: which when the show tip the balls on the Hawkinson titty.

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Speaker 7: But it's said the ball can touch the ground as

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Speaker 7: long as you have control.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Didn't have control. That's the problem. So when he rolled,

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Speaker 3: when he starts to come.

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Speaker 2: Back up, it hits the ground for a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Well, when he first hits the ground, the ball hits

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Speaker 3: the ground, but then when he's bouncing off the.

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Speaker 2: Ground, his body does not.

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Speaker 12: He does not.

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Speaker 3: Continue to control the ball. Got it, It's not his hands

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Speaker 3: are on it. That's what I was looking at.

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Speaker 7: They were talking about the ball can hit the ground

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Speaker 7: as long as you keep your hands around the ball.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he didn't make that.

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Speaker 7: I couldn't see because when they flipped them up side

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Speaker 7: down or whatever it was, or he flipped upside down.

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Speaker 7: He can't see it from the ones we saw in

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Speaker 7: the stadium as it.

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Speaker 3: Grew via Vikings fan line. We have agreed now, so

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Speaker 3: TJ dropped it. It was not a touchdown, so the

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Speaker 3: refs got it right.

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Speaker 2: Well, he did that one. But did it happen? Did

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Speaker 2: not have to be that hard. If you'd not have

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Speaker 2: been that hard.

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Speaker 7: Just throw it in there, throw it to the guy

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Speaker 7: and let his six sixth body, whereas the kids will

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Speaker 7: say six seven, whatever he is, six four, sixty five,

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Speaker 7: sixty six or.

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Speaker 2: Six seven, just throw it to him. I don't even

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Speaker 2: know my kids start bringing that up. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what that is. I've explained it to you. It's a

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Speaker 2: long story. I can't wait. It basically means nothing. Nothing.

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Speaker 7: There is a song by Scrilla that's where it started

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Speaker 7: and started, and then essentially it's just.

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Speaker 2: Like the joke is that nobody knows what it means

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Speaker 2: and said.

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Speaker 7: I'm six seven, and he kind of did this like

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Speaker 7: I don't know, six seven, and so then they put

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Speaker 7: a TikTok together with it and yeah, and he's doing

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Speaker 7: highlights and yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It makes it's nothing. It's literally nothing.

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Speaker 3: Future generation. Yeah, sure, if our generation is cooked. Twenty

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Speaker 3: eight twenty two. The Viker feels cooked after the twenty

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Speaker 3: eight twenty two loss US Banks Stadium teams three and three.

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Speaker 3: They got a short week, not a lot of time

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Speaker 3: to think about it. Thursday night game at the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna continue, Marty, Chris, don Zach Tony others on

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Speaker 3: calls on hold, We're gonna.

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Speaker 5: Get to you.

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Speaker 3: I got talkbacks. I got text messages. We will continue.

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Speaker 2: Ron Johnson's here, Max Fuller's here on Nordo from nine

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Speaker 2: to dune. It's Vikings fan line.

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Speaker 3: This is Minnesota Vikings football.

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Speaker 8: Brian Forrez. Maybe the defense of Guru. But there's one

751
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 8: thing that is always a constant on Vikings teams, no

752
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 8: matter who we draft, no matter who we sign. It

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Speaker 8: seems like any team just always tortures us passing at

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Speaker 8: will never ends.

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Speaker 5: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 8: You just know it's never gonna work out.

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Speaker 18: Hey, guys, Matt in South Dakota here, offense was tough

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Speaker 18: to watch a little bit. I feel like they didn't

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Speaker 18: take a lot of the opportunities that were given to

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Speaker 18: them to get in the end zone. My only question

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Speaker 18: on defense was where were the safeties. I felt like

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Speaker 18: it was no help on the outside at all all

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Speaker 18: game long. I'm waiting to hear what you guys think.

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Speaker 18: Thanks for bye, Thanks for.

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Speaker 3: The talkbacks with the free iHeartRadio app. Twenty eight to

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Speaker 3: twenty two the final a US Bank Stadium. The Vikings

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Speaker 3: lose to the visiting Philadelphia Eagles, and the Vikings fall

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Speaker 3: to three and three, and the Philadelphia Eagles and they're

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Speaker 3: losing ways after two in a row on the bad side,

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Speaker 3: they find their way back into the winner's column. They're

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Speaker 3: now five and two. Ron Johnson is with me, Nordo.

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Speaker 3: To that end, what did you see? There were a

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Speaker 3: few occasions that the first aj Brown touchdown, Man, it

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Speaker 3: was tough to see. Mittellis stuck having to defend. That's

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Speaker 3: not his fault and in some way, you know, I'd

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Speaker 3: love to see from the TV. That's why I texted

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Speaker 3: three or four different people after that Addison catch. We

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Speaker 3: referenced last segment, like if he throws it in stride,

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Speaker 3: is he gone? Like I didn't have the advantage of

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Speaker 3: kind of getting.

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Speaker 2: To see the safety back there, but he makes him miss.

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Speaker 2: I think, I think it's off.

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Speaker 7: To the races, right for sure, we're talking one down

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Speaker 7: the field. He can he can have cut back. He get, yeah,

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Speaker 7: get he was scoring.

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Speaker 2: So but but to that end, there were several.

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Speaker 3: Moments the long DeVante Smith touchdown without the ability of,

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Speaker 3: you know, other than just more close up replays. I

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Speaker 3: see that DeVante kind of out positions Isaiah Rodgers. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what's going on back there. Otherwise though, so

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Speaker 3: that guy's you know from a defensive perspective, the way

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Speaker 3: that they were able to get DeVante and get aj

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Speaker 3: moving today. Anything that you saw, whether it's the safeties

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Speaker 3: to that talkbacker's point or just something specifically that the

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Speaker 3: Eagles were able to take advantage of from Flores's group.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, Van Inkle, Dallas Turner did the best job

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Speaker 7: he could. But he's not a bull rusher. I don't

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Speaker 7: try to bull rush. A few times and just got stonewalled,

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Speaker 7: like he didn't go anywhere.

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Speaker 3: And the few times when he gets locked in by

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Speaker 3: like Lane Johnson or even on the other side, it's over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he offers nothing to the rest of the play. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Like.

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Speaker 7: And the thing about that too is though, when you

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Speaker 7: look at the Eagles offensive line, right, they're big Jordan Malatta.

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Speaker 7: You got Lane Johnson on the right side, and so

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Speaker 7: we know Van Geinko or sorry Van Gekle, Dallas Turner

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Speaker 7: and john the Gunnar switch sides will yeah, like he'll

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Speaker 7: go to the wide side, He'll go to the field side,

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Speaker 7: So Gennard's on the wide, they put Turner into the

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Speaker 7: boundary and then everyone swaile they'll switch it up. And

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Speaker 7: when he was going against the right tackle, he has

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Speaker 7: to have a second move, like when he rushes, he

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Speaker 7: extends the arm and then he gets locked somehow where

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Speaker 7: he thinks in his mind, maybe he's like I'm moving

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Speaker 7: his pocket. He's not moving it.

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Speaker 2: No, he's not.

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Speaker 7: Like he's just anchored down and it's like spin, rip,

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Speaker 7: do something, you know, defeat his hands, like putt get

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Speaker 7: him off of you, like turn sideways. So they throw

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Speaker 7: a flag, like just run away so they can see

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Speaker 7: he's hole in your jersey because he's definitely like if

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Speaker 7: you stay within the body, they can hold you. And

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Speaker 7: so that play you're talking about with josh uh tell Us,

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Speaker 7: it's not his fault. I think Joshu Tellis was in

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Speaker 7: coverage for like five seconds, which it would have been

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Speaker 7: a covered sack if they could have got to him.

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Speaker 7: But he just had time. And then him and aj

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Speaker 7: Brown looked at each other. He's like, yeah, go deep,

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Speaker 7: and he throws it. Josh muth Tellis is assuming plays over.

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Speaker 7: I'm standing here with this guy just ran a hook

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Speaker 7: or an out, I don't know what he ran. And

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Speaker 7: he's like he can't go anywhere. So I'm here and

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Speaker 7: he's like, oh crap, he still has the ball. He's

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Speaker 7: in the pocket, he's clean, nobody's touched him.

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Speaker 2: And so that's the problem with that.

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Speaker 7: That's what I saw a lot I also saw, you know,

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Speaker 7: and to one of the Vikings fans I saw.

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Speaker 2: His name is Paul Allen.

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Speaker 7: He just tweeted this voice of the Vikings that I

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00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 7: tried to say, the Vikings the rest fixed it, you know,

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Speaker 7: in this game.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they fixed it. I'm saying it's questionable

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Speaker 2: with all these calls.

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Speaker 7: Like you think about the amount of offensive lineman that

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Speaker 7: like p A, p A what's his name? Pete Versus

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Speaker 7: pointed that out that the guard, the right guard never

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00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 7: stops moving before the snap. He never comes set before

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Speaker 7: the snap. And at no point do they ever throw

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Speaker 7: that flag. You can have a guy motioning and the

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Speaker 7: guard is still moving a little bit.

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Speaker 2: That's a flag.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: The the right tackle kicks before the snap, that's a

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00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 7: false start. They never throw that on them. And that's

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Speaker 7: the Chiefs get away with it too. So there's a

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Speaker 7: certain teams that earned it. You know, maybe it's you,

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Speaker 7: you have a superstar, you win a super Bowl, We're like,

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Speaker 7: we're gonna let you get away with some stuff and

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Speaker 7: so could they call that every single time? Rest will

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Speaker 7: say that, you know, they're like, oh, I can call

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Speaker 7: a pass and fair. I could throw a flag with

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Speaker 7: every play if we wanted to, we'll throw it, Like

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Speaker 7: maybe stop the guys from doing this stuff. But that's

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Speaker 7: that's the one thing this question would me. But other

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Speaker 7: than that, those those plays like you said that the

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Speaker 7: Jordan Adison one, you drive it in there and it's there,

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Speaker 7: like you have that catch and he's running. Maybe he

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Speaker 7: gets caught at the three yard line. Who knows, but

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Speaker 7: just give him a chance to run. It was an

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Speaker 7: absolute blown coverage in my opinion, and he made them

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Speaker 7: like have to die. And that was almost an incomplete pass.

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Speaker 7: If any part of his body is that white line,

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Speaker 7: it's incomplete. He luckily got that shoulder down because he

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Speaker 7: only got one foot in. He didn't get the second

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Speaker 7: foot down, but the shoulder and the elbow count as

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Speaker 7: a foot, so that we got lucky there too.

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Speaker 3: To the phone lines, Tony and Foley, Tony, welcome to

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Speaker 3: Vikings fan line.

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00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 21: Hey guys, thanks for taking my call.

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00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 19: Just question for you guys.

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00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 22: Doesn't it seem like to me that the last two

883
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 22: games with Carson is what happened to the three step drop,

884
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 22: two step drop and fire, I mean plants over the middle.

885
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 22: I mean, everything's going to the outside with a long,

886
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 22: long drop, and he just can't seem to get himself

887
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 22: through his progression fast enough to make the completions. I

888
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 22: mean when I started doing it at the end of

889
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 22: the second half, Addison started getting open. I mean they

890
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 22: just the throwers were there. So what what's with the

891
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 22: play calling and with these long heat drops and that

892
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 22: you don't just take too long to develop your thoughts?

893
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks Tony.

894
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 3: Any opinion on that at all, Ron from my standpoin,

895
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: because I've seen a ton of it via social and

896
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: I've got and talkbacks in it referencing specifically the play

897
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 3: calling and the way that I'm seeing it right now

898
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: is I'm seeing he was protected in some ways a

899
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: lot better than we've seen. And then you know, maybe

900
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 3: part of that is having really except for Blake Brandell

901
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 3: at center. Blake Brandell, by the way, Honeymoon's over that interception, like,

902
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: oh my god, you see Jalen Carter what he did?

903
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: Did you see Carson wentz his face in the camera.

904
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, Like I thought his ribs were cracked

905
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 7: like the way he like looked and leaned his head back.

906
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 7: Oh my, I was like, oh Max Broseman, and that's

907
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 7: funny and not funny. It's not funny at all. Max

908
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 7: Broseman started warming up, like I thought. Carson was like saying, like,

909
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 7: I can't go back. I thought that might be it

910
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 7: because because Max put that like grab like he kind

911
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 7: of ran over start throwing a little bit, but it

912
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 7: was just you know, and.

913
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: Then after and then on the very next drop back

914
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: he rolls out and throws that long pick. I honestly

915
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: thought it was Brosemer time because it was. It wasn't

916
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: a very good by the way KOs did say he

917
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: might not be act presser, he might not be accurate,

918
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: but he's strong man.

919
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was a terrible.

920
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 7: Koc said it was like a punt, you know, like

921
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 7: he's trying to give him credit for that, and yeah,

922
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 7: you know it could be a punt flip the field situation. Yeah,

923
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 7: but no, I think he was thinking fifty to fifty ball.

924
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 7: But he threw the employee. I prefer he does the punch.

925
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 7: If he throws it at the receiver, maybe it's the

926
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 7: fifty to fifty ball.

927
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: He threw it to the other dB where nobody was standing.

928
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: But so yeah, but Brandell the yeah he snapped for

929
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: the loss of twenty two over his head. Yeah, I

930
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: kind of tend to lean the team's way in terms

931
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: of that holding penalty. Yeah, but it was a it

932
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: was a holding penalty. It was a tough deck for

933
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: Brandon to pool it down.

934
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, on the Yeah, was that all? I didn't

935
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: think that was.

936
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 7: So I saw Brian O'Neil getting into it with the

937
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 7: refs like fifty like it looked like seven eight times.

938
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 7: He's explaining you can see him doing the motion of

939
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 7: what what he did, like, hey, we practiced this, we

940
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 7: practiced this, this is what this is. And then you saw

941
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 7: Koc kind of yell at the ref saying the same thing,

942
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 7: like you cannot call that again. This is what he's

943
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 7: doing just because the guy falls. It's not a yank down.

944
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 7: He's using his momentum forward and he's kind of pulling

945
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 7: the chair. That's all he did, because you could see

946
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 7: him back up and the guy falls.

947
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 3: I've seen this innumerable times. Yeah, I was really surprised

948
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: at that.

949
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 7: He pulled the chair from under him. But he does,

950
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 7: like because I didn't hear the TV side of it.

951
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 7: But people are saying, like the announcers Greg Osen and

952
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 7: them are trying to say, like, oh, we see him

953
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 7: grabbing the shoulder pad area, and then anytime you see

954
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 7: a tug they're going to call that. He didn't do it.

955
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 7: It's just naturally you're holding there and then you pull back.

956
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 7: He didn't yank down like I've seen the yank down

957
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 7: because it happens on screens a lot where the yank

958
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 7: a guy threw on the screen pass and they want

959
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 7: him to run by so they can get out to

960
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 7: the screen.

961
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: That this was not that.

962
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 7: So it's just a it was a bad call, Like

963
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 7: I just don't understand that. I don't think that changed

964
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 7: the play at all. Anyway, Carson Wentz was going out

965
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 7: to the right, the ball was already out of his

966
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 7: hands quick. It was going to Jalen Naylor in the flat.

967
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 7: So that that to me was that you could swallow

968
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 7: the flag there. So to that end, back to back

969
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 7: to the topic at hand.

970
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: From the play calling standpoint, I'm just I'm going to

971
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: beat the drum time immemorial about the running in short

972
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: down and distant situations or.

973
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: Just run the ball, Yeah, push them run the ball there.

974
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: With that said, I really didn't have My issue remains

975
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: with the QB's accuracy and the QB's decision making. I

976
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: think the coach, whether we're talking about dropbacks, we did

977
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: see a couple of slant opportunities today that he did

978
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: take advantage of. Sadly, one that could have been real

979
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: nice ended up going to the hands of Jalen.

980
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's Jalen, it's Naylor.

981
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: No, the defensive the defensive the linebacker had the pick six.

982
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's not. It's not Hicks, Jordan Nicks. No,

983
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: I got it here, I got it Jlex Hunt. That's

984
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: why it's not Jalen Jlyx Hunt. Sorry about that the X.

985
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was a mistake on the

986
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: birth certificate, but he's rolling with it and he had

987
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 3: a nice game today, Jalx Hunt with the pick six

988
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: that was in a slant to Jefferson. I I overall, again,

989
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: decision making and accuracy from the QB. That's my that's

990
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: the bone that I'm picking, not necessarily the head coaches

991
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 3: play calling at large.

992
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, he never saw him either though, Like when you

993
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 7: when you watch the play from the back end. He

994
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 7: never saw him. He was no, he was staring down

995
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 7: the route to the right. What he should have done.

996
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 7: If he's gonna make that throw, drive it right at him,

997
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 7: so the slant is in his body anyway, Like you know,

998
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 7: a couple guys came, but I think he thought that

999
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 7: other guy Hunt had blitzed. I don't know, he just

1000
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 7: stepped up and stood there because.

1001
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: On the on the backside TV copy, I know I'm

1002
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: watching a replay. He's watching at full speed, So I'm

1003
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 3: not trying to pretend that i could have done anything different.

1004
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: But based on based on behind the QB on that

1005
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: camera angle, that's not an option.

1006
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: So maybe he doesn't but that I don't think he

1007
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 2: saw him.

1008
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 7: I think he thought he had the slant wide wide

1009
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 7: open on this this you know, the inside san.

1010
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: He could have been sitting there doing freaking jumping jacksay

1011
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: and throw it to me.

1012
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he did. It's but think about Koy Pierrish.

1013
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 7: That was the same thing to Duke quarterback that he

1014
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 7: didn't see Coy because like sometimes there is a little

1015
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 7: bit of a block of the linemen in that linebacker

1016
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 7: and it's fast, it moves fast.

1017
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: Out there.

1018
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 7: I will say that for quarterbacks it moves fast, but

1019
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 7: in my opinion, was a bad loop. It was it

1020
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 7: was it was supposed to be a hook route to

1021
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 7: the flat or to the boundary. It was a bad throw.

1022
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 7: But was guard fact that they were killing them on

1023
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 7: outbreaking routes. There should have been way more of that.

1024
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 7: Like the inbreaking stuff isn't there with the Eagles, but

1025
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 7: the outbreaking because they're playing like a two man or

1026
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 7: they'll play you know a little bit of cover four,

1027
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 7: but flat across four, you're the outs, the flats, all

1028
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 7: that stuff they were they were not scared to man

1029
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 7: those guys up, knowing they had at least one or

1030
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 7: two guys back to help out in that man coverage.

1031
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 7: Just dink and dunk like go fourteen plays down the field,

1032
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 7: running out and handing the ball off like it almost

1033
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 7: feels like they feel like they need to get a dagger,

1034
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 7: and you don't need a dagger.

1035
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: Let's let's let's check in on the phone lines. Rattle

1036
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: through a few here and then pause. Tim in Chicago, Tim,

1037
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: welcome to Vikings fan line.

1038
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: What do you got?

1039
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 18: He?

1040
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 23: Yeah, I was going guys, good you guys, I'm down

1041
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 23: here in Chicago Bears's territory, so I gotta watch the

1042
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 23: vikings down here. But he was fans of both of

1043
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 23: you guys, But I just had a I hate to

1044
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 23: keep harpar on the Wentz thing, but I know taking

1045
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 23: a bunch of calls in them already, But I just

1046
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 23: I'm just curious, like, do you guys think this game

1047
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 23: is moving too fast for him? And it's here our

1048
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 23: best option moving forward. I feel like he's made some

1049
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 23: plays and made some good decisions, I think, But I

1050
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 23: think this offense can be e lite, I really do.

1051
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 23: I think the defense is shown that they can win

1052
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 23: a ball game. I don't think I'm blaming them much today,

1053
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 23: but I think we had a competent quarterback in this game.

1054
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 23: I think we win this game, especially with the red

1055
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 23: zone opportunities too. Took a great game rehearse to beat us,

1056
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 23: and I think that's the game we gotta win. So

1057
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 23: I just want to know your guys' thoughts on that.

1058
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 7: No, I don't think I appreciate it. I don't think

1059
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 7: he's moving too fast for Carson Wentz. I just think

1060
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 7: some of the things he's being asked to do, he

1061
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 7: can't do it. Anymore, right, Like, I just don't like

1062
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 7: again the play action and then the sidearm whip to

1063
00:46:59,520 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 7: the flat.

1064
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 2: A couple of those should have just been easy throwing.

1065
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: Catches, combined with the fact he's probably harboring three or

1066
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 3: four different injuries or moralities at this point.

1067
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 7: And again the shoulder, so if you're whipping it back

1068
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 7: across your body, does that you know, does that hamper

1069
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 7: because that left shoulder hurts, you know, like you're having

1070
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 7: a whip and turn your body quick because you can

1071
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 7: see a couple I wish you guys could see nor

1072
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 7: it of right now trying to imitate there is some

1073
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 7: movement there, right, but.

1074
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: Somebody said it on the TV copy.

1075
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 7: It must be Greg Osen but he said, like looks

1076
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 7: like Carson Wentz is, you know, moving that shoulder a

1077
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 7: little bit, trying to loosen it back up.

1078
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if that had.

1079
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 7: Anything to do with some of those throws, but like

1080
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 7: the flats should have been the easiest throws possible. And

1081
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 7: like I said, the one of Jordan Adison in the

1082
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 7: red zone, if he hits him, he probably hits his

1083
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 7: head on the pylon, on the front pylon, you know,

1084
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 7: because it would have been a race to the corner

1085
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 7: and he just throws into the ground.

1086
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 3: You mean, one of the most simplistic. It was motion motion, Yeah,

1087
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: going to his left right yep, and then so TV

1088
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: cop it's near side.

1089
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: It's the opposite of the where the Vikings come out

1090
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: with the again unaccepted. The throws were unacceptable.

1091
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 7: He just missed it into the ground, like he didn't even

1092
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 7: didn't even get close to Jordannasen. But if he catches that,

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00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 7: it was a perfect man beater call. So that's why,

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00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 7: like when you say play calling, you can't put that

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00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 7: on Koc because that throw, if you make it, it's

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00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 7: a first down.

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00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: If not more, would George down at the least.

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00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 7: And so that's why some of the stuff feels bad

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Speaker 7: when we go back and watch, you know, because it's

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Speaker 7: a short week. We probably get the All twenty two

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00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 7: first thing tomorrow or maybe later Monday, because it's a

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Speaker 7: short I mean, they got to turn right back around

1103
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 7: on Tuesday practice Wednesday, they're on the road. But I

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00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 7: guarantee we can watch some of that red zone stuff

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00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 7: and be like, the play was there, Yeah, Like the

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00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 7: play was there, Brandal got beat. The player is there,

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00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 7: you know, like a lot of that stuff is going

1108
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 7: to come up like it's there. Because I just saw

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00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 7: a tweet somebody talked about reverse Jalen Hurts eight seconds

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00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 7: to throw the ball. I just think it was the

1111
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 7: lack of second dairy rush because you don't have Van

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00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 7: Ginkel in there like he's his oder never stops.

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00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: It almost feels like you said, I think, and he

1114
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: just ate up the zone. Yeah, I mean they're the

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00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: shows in the pocket, will they should going? Well, it's

1116
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: and was it Pete?

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00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 3: I think Pete was mentioning this kind of the the

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00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: the second the the second chance passing, the second chance

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00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: opportunities Hurts that Hurts had all day to day.

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Speaker 2: And he is super smooth man.

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00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 3: He can just kind of chill in that pocket and

1122
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 3: just kind of weave and he makes the plays. But

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00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 3: the lack of that rush then, and you're talking zone

1124
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: good luck, you know, when you have three and a

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00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: half four real time seconds to get open and you

1126
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: got DeVante Smith out there having a freaking another career day.

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00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Again, his receivers do a.

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00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 7: Good job of moving with them like they do the

1129
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 7: scramble drill perfectly, like literally furthest to the left.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna go deep.

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00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 7: Everybody else move with me, and you know, it feels

1132
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 7: like the Ludacrous song. When I move, you move like

1133
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 7: it's that's what. They just like that exactly. They all

1134
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 7: stay together and it's so we cut.

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Speaker 2: That out of the podcast. Max Place.

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00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 7: It's so beautiful, Like it's so beautiful watch it happen.

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00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 7: It just sucks when it's against your team. But he

1138
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 7: does a great job. I mean, honestly, it's Mahomes Like,

1139
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 7: you know, Mahomes is the same way.

1140
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 2: He just doesn't have the receivers right now, but Mahomes

1141
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 2: is the same way.

1142
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: Zach in Minneapolis, Zach, Welcome to Vikings fan line.

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Speaker 14: What's up guy?

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Speaker 19: Oh?

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Speaker 24: First one, just honored to be on here. But I

1146
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 24: think with the strength of the vision with you, I

1147
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 24: don't think I don't think we're gonna be on nick playoffs.

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00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 17: I think it's time for rebuild years. So what do

1149
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 17: you guys think you give for Justin Jefferson?

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00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: Whoa trading trading Jefferson?

1151
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I would uh you gonnor to have you on

1152
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: here too, young man. You get a lot for him

1153
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: not interested in making that trade.

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00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 7: You might end up on punishment for that. One like

1155
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 7: you need to go sit. You need to go sit

1156
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 7: in the corner for a little bit.

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00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: You can't. You don't trade Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 3: When we when we returned to Vikings fan Line, I'm

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00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: gonna ask Ron to kind of put a bow. Where

1160
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: were a lot of quarterback related conversations.

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00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: Is Oh, did he say Justin? Or do you say JJ?

1162
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: Is he talking McCarthy? I think you said Justin Jeffers.

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00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 7: Okay, I got to say, I wonder if you said JJ,

1164
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 7: and maybe you say that we Trey McCarthy.

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00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: I whantch you don't do that either.

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00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: When we return, I'm going to ask Ron Johnson if

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00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: Carson Wentz is the best option at quarterback.

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00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 2: For the Vikings. Moving forward, as we continue.

1169
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: Chatting about this Vikings loss, we do get to turn

1170
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: the page on this one and look forward to a

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00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 3: short week a Thursday in LA against the Chargers.

1172
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 2: But got to unpack this one. First.

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00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: Vikings lose twenty eight twenty two to the Philadelphia Eagles.

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00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: They're now three and three.

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Speaker 3: Fan Line continues with your calls, text and talkbacks. Next,

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00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: this is Minnesota Vikings football.

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Speaker 2: I football here at and then one hundred point three

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Speaker 2: d the fan.

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Speaker 25: Hey, guys, the one thing that just urfs me to

1180
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 25: no end and watching this football team is just the sloppiness.

1181
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 25: We can make all the excuses about how Wentz isn't

1182
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 25: the guy beating up offensive line isn't what we thought

1183
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 25: it would be.

1184
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: But we've got weapons. We've got some of the best receivers.

1185
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 25: Again, No, we've got some injuries, but other team's figured

1186
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 25: out where's our grit?

1187
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: Where's ours? Nasty?

1188
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 25: Just poor play calling, poor decision making, poor.

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00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 3: Play talkback machine with the free iHeart radio app.

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00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: Here's another one. Yeah, OK, pay guys, Kale Beer. You

1191
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: know not to pile on.

1192
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 25: We're gonna sit here and complain about the quarterback instead

1193
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 25: of talking about all the quarterbacks we've passed.

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00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: On and couldn't put our ego aside for I mean,

1195
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: at what point we start talking about the.

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00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks we passed on?

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Speaker 5: I mean it's getting old.

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00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 12: I'll hang up and listening to a skull.

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Speaker 2: Skull thanks for the talkback.

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00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: I also got this text message, man, did we completely

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00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 3: screw the pooch with the QB position this season? The

1202
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: roster we trotted out this year was in need of

1203
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 3: a QB that we had in house or Aaron Rodgers,

1204
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 3: and we trusted McCarthy and Wentz. It's frustrating that McCarthy

1205
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: is not a minimum on par with bad Wentz. The

1206
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: kid's not ready and I get it, he's not played much,

1207
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: but it's not a good look with the Darnel Jones

1208
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 3: Rogers playing well and McCarthy could have gotten some much

1209
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: needed time to learn. Oh that's from Saul. Thanks for

1210
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: the text message, Thanks for the talkbacks. Keep firing them off. Yeah,

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00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: Ron is at this stage the beating up Wentz. Is

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00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: he the best option at QB for your Minnesota Vikings.

1213
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: Your thoughts on that? I did Mike, Mike quick ten seconds.

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00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: I get the Rogers, get the Daniel Jones, I get

1215
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: all of that. Those decisions were made. That's behind us.

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00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 3: That's from my standpoint. Now, when you're evaluating this season

1217
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 3: and you're evaluating the coach and the GM and you're

1218
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: having those conversations, drafting comes up every week. Actually it

1219
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: only comes up during losses in which there have now

1220
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: been three of them. Vikings lose twenty eight, twenty two.

1221
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: This is Vikings fan line. But those are behind them

1222
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: for me. But in terms of what we have right

1223
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 3: now is is Wentz? Is Wentz the best option from

1224
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: your from your house, poen in the house, in the house, No,

1225
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 7: Honestly, you just gotta at this point, you just got

1227
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 7: to go with jaj McCarthy and see what he has,

1228
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 7: Like you have to know if he's the future or

1229
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 7: if do you need to go because KOC clearly has

1230
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 7: a way with veterans, like he finds a way to

1231
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 7: make veterans better. Like even Josh Dobbs, he made him

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00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 7: a superstar.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was.

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00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 7: He was like Avengers level, like add on to a

1235
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 7: team that everybody in the world. I mean he was

1236
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 7: doing sit downs with national media before the games and

1237
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 7: the passionate you know, Shields was selling Josh Dobbs T

1238
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 7: shirts like that, Like what And that's because of Koc's

1239
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 7: like mental ability to take a veteran and say here's

1240
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 7: what I need to do with you. Yeah, but you

1241
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 7: look at Daniel Jones, I don't know how much he

1242
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 7: learned from KOC, Like who knows, Like maybe it was.

1243
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: Just a change of scenery. You have to hang out

1244
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: in the room.

1245
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 7: Maybe the Giants are just bad, Like the Giants made

1246
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 7: some dumb decisions pretty much. And I think when you

1247
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 7: look at their current quarterback, he has enough brain cells

1248
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 7: that he's lost that the Giants can't affect him. Like

1249
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 7: they're like the best brothers with them in scatter Bowl,

1250
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 7: Like they they're just dumb enough where they don't even

1251
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 7: let the Giants organization bother their life. They're just like,

1252
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 7: we're gonna go out here and tweet about Justin Herbert's

1253
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 7: girlfriend before the game, like who cares? You know, Like

1254
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 7: they just don't care. But you look at Daniel Jones

1255
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 7: or what he's doing right now with the Coats. Sam

1256
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 7: Donald is killing it with the Seahawks. I you know, No,

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00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 7: we can't talk about that. I don't know what the

1258
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 7: dollar amount would have been to have Sam Donald stay,

1259
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 7: because I don't know if he knew that that one

1260
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 7: hundred plus million was out there for him. Maybe he

1261
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 7: just stays with KOC. You know, who knows, because he

1262
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 7: could he could say like, man, if I go somewhere

1263
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 7: else and I don't do what I did with the Vikings,

1264
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 7: does somebody want me?

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00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: Well, we know it's gonna be between thirty and forty million,

1266
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: don't we Yeah, I.

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00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 7: Mean I think so, And maybe that they didn't have

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00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 7: enough money to do it. Maybe they didn't have enough

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00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 7: money to do it well.

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Speaker 2: I think then you start where did the concessions come from?

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00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 7: And Aaron Rodgers like what did he want? Like, we

1272
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 7: don't know that question. I don't even you know.

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00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: And did the.

1274
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 7: Vity wanted like ten million bucks? Which could have been

1275
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 7: I think that's doable. I feel like that was the

1276
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 7: same thing they offer Daniel Jones so offered.

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00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: I think he took less to go to Indy. I

1278
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,959
Speaker 3: think the Vikings offered him like one in fourteen or something.

1279
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: I think he saw the writing of what's going on

1280
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: right now. I could be the starter for the coast.

1281
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: I could be the starter for he picked uh, you know,

1282
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: and hey, I hope everything. I hope everything works out

1283
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 3: for Anthony Richardson. But he looked at the two situations

1284
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: and he's like, my opportunity is there? Oh yeah, And

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00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: that did not take law did not take long for

1286
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: that to come to fruition. Let's grab some phone calls here,

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00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: it's Vikings fan line eight hundred three two six five

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00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 3: three two excuse me, hold on eight hundred and three

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00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: three two zero five three two six one eight hundred

1290
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: three two zero five three two six and watching Trey

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00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: McBride get into the end zone from Jacoby Burssett shortly

1292
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: before half as with an extra point. The Arizona Cardinals,

1293
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 3: doing NFC North non Packers fans, is solid with a

1294
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: thirteen to three lead potentially.

1295
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: At the break.

1296
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 3: Look at that trade McBride two weeks in a row.

1297
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 3: Look at two, right to the sideline, right to the

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00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: I swear this is stupid because I know Kyler Murray

1299
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: more talented and all those things, je Kobe Brissett journeyman.

1300
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: I think Jakobe Brissett is a better quarterback for what

1301
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: Drew Petsing wants to do from the Kevin Stefanski. You

1302
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: know that that that Kubiak style offense and all of

1303
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 3: those things. He can work under center, he can do

1304
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: play acts.

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00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 7: Kyler Murray can't do that. No, he can't make like

1306
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 7: he's not That's not his game. His game is to

1307
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 7: roll out, run around, throw the ball, play action.

1308
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1309
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: All right, enough for the Cardinals, but ten ten points,

1310
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: but the Packers are losing for those driving that. When

1311
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 3: decided about that is.

1312
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: An a topic on a Sunday Dave and Egan. Dave

1313
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: welcome to Vikings fan line.

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00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 9: Hey guys, Dave Earl, how were you?

1315
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: What do you got?

1316
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 5: Dave?

1317
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 15: Well?

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00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 9: Two quick points. I think when you look back and

1319
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 9: the look at this game, and the thing that frustrated

1320
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 9: to me more than anything that you're just looking at numbers.

1321
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 9: How many times guys were we inside the red zult

1322
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 9: what we've figured out? Five times?

1323
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 5: Six?

1324
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1325
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 9: When he gets the steel gold, Yeah, one and six.

1326
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 9: There's the game. In my opinion, there's the game because

1327
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 9: you you capitalize on one two touchdowns, maybe the whole

1328
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 9: outcome is that the Vikings could slide by with a win.

1329
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 9: That's frustrating. Number one number point i'd like you guys

1330
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 9: to count on at least coming on is the lack

1331
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 9: of ability of getting touched on. The second thing is

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00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 9: I don't know about you guys. I know you touched

1333
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 9: on it a little bit, but super frustrating. When I

1334
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 9: hear about Brian Flores's defense, and I know he's a

1335
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 9: great defensive coordinator, I'm not seeing it on the field

1336
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 9: every game. I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing our guys

1337
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 9: look small. I don't I think we have breakdowns. I

1338
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 9: think the middals open again and I don't see us

1339
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 9: stopping the run. I don't see a Brian Flora's defense

1340
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 9: and I can wrap my arms around and go, wow,

1341
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 9: we've got a great defense. We gave up so many

1342
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 9: deep balls, as you guys saw, all the fans saw that.

1343
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 9: It was so frustrating to see that, especially the third

1344
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 9: down and thirteen at the end when we almost sacked him.

1345
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 9: It just I like you guys to comment on this

1346
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 9: Brian Flora's defense and the exposure that we have out there,

1347
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 9: and I'll hang up with us some things.

1348
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 12: Guys.

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00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it.

1350
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: Dave. Yeah.

1351
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 3: The one of six in the red zone absolute a topic.

1352
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 3: Ron did a good job kind of breaking down the

1353
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: lack of the pass rush and their then ability because

1354
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts is pretty good at what he does to

1355
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 3: pick apart the zone and that led to a career

1356
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 3: day for Devonte Smith, AJ Brown getting into the end

1357
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: zone twice. The disgruntled star receivers happy yet again.

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Speaker 2: Carl and Lake Elmo. Carl, Welcome to Vikings fan line. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks guys.

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Speaker 19: Hey, I had a quick thing.

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Speaker 14: I read an article.

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Speaker 26: I want to give credit where credits due. I think

1363
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 26: it was a young Alex but last week or two,

1364
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 26: they pointed out that Kaosi started with us, we were

1365
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 26: third in the league in terms of turnovers giveaways on

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00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 26: our half. Yeah, and we've obviously had cousins who've had

1367
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 26: you mentioned dobs we've got when we've had plenty of

1368
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 26: different qbs, so it's set a particular QB. We've had

1369
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Speaker 26: multiple different running backs since he started. It's not a

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01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 26: running back tumblelightis thing. So we know how great we

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01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 26: are when we win the turnover battle with koc. But

1372
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 26: why do we think that we have such a turnover

1373
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 26: problem since he started? Is it because he loves taking

1374
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 26: the deep shots? I just would love your guys' opinion

1375
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 26: on why we that. That shocked me when I read it,

1376
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 26: So I just I'm not sure where that comes from,

1377
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Speaker 26: and would love your opinion on why we're so high

1378
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 26: on turnovers since he began.

1379
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hey, thanks for the call.

1380
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Speaker 3: I'm actually really glad you brought that up because I've

1381
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: been thinking about it. Where just kind of playing out

1382
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: like Pj's team, right, Gophers and this, and they they

1383
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 3: handled business against Nebraska. Congratulations sky Ma, But on one

1384
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 3: actual true trademark it won to several wants to run

1385
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 3: the ball. Finally figured out how to do that for

1386
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: like the first time in a month. So I'm sure

1387
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 3: he's super happy about that. No penalties or very few penalties.

1388
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 3: Right penalties one of the things that that Ko's group

1389
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 3: got right today, just three, I believe. For the Vikings

1390
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: had been among the most penalized teams in the NFL,

1391
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 3: most undisciplined. But the what I was thinking about, Wow,

1392
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: it's so weird that we see this on a Ko

1393
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 3: coach team. From an undisciplined standpoint, the turnovers have been

1394
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 3: a trademark save for last year, and part of that

1395
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: we were so focused on all the takeaways that the

1396
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 3: defense leading the league in takes. The turnovers have been

1397
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: a problem throughout. It was twenty twenty three, I believe.

1398
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 3: In fact, the Vikings they went on a streak where

1399
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: they turned it over on the opening possession in like

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01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 3: three straight games, had bad turnovers in five or six

1401
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 3: straight games. They were minus twelve in twenty twenty three.

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01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: In particular, Kirk with the pick six in Charlotte. You

1403
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 3: have Josh Oliver with a fumble against the Chiefs. You

1404
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: have Hawkinson with a fumble on the first drive against

1405
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: the chargers in which Ko had been ripped for not

1406
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: running and so he ran it like five or six

1407
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Speaker 3: straight times on that first drive. And it's just the

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Speaker 3: turnovers are a huge freaking issue.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: The lack of discipline in some respects kind of shine through,

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01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 3: I think in those two areas, turnovers and penalties.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and some of the turnovers you can just put

1413
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 7: up to great defensive play, whether it's a punch out,

1414
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 7: peanut punch, whatever you want to call it. Some of

1415
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 7: those fumbles are just you know, trying to get too

1416
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 7: much and the ball gets ripped out. The interception turnovers

1417
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 7: you can kind of go back to, like was it

1418
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 7: the quarterback's fault? Did a did a receiver tip the

1419
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 7: ball and it goes into a dv's hand.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of that, but yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 7: They were leading in so many like categories of turnovers,

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01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 7: whether it was third down turnovers, whether it's red zone turnovers, where.

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01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: It's opening I think it was like opening drive turnovers.

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01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 7: They were like had the worst like opening drive turnover

1425
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 7: ratio whatever. Like, yeah, a year or two ago where

1426
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 7: every first couple plays in every game, it felt like

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01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 7: the ball's gonna come out. Yeah, and today the one

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01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 7: we talked about that the the middle of the field

1429
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 7: tied it, you know, to the linebacker. He's trying to

1430
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 7: hit the end breaking route. Doesn't see him there. My opinion,

1431
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 7: I don't think he saw him. If he did see

1432
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 7: him and still try to jam it in there, I

1433
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 7: don't I have no answer for that.

1434
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: The deep makes no sense.

1435
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 7: Like and it's it's whether he was like just trying

1436
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 7: to throw it up to his receiver down there.

1437
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: Who knows what the thought was, but it wasn't accurate.

1438
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 7: It's it's I don't know if it's did Like I

1439
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 7: don't know if you can blame a coach though for that,

1440
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 7: like false starts and some of that stuff that's undisciplined,

1441
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 7: but just flat out turnovers. That comes to like, I

1442
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 7: gotta want to take care of the ball, you know,

1443
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 7: high and tight?

1444
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: Do what am I am? I paying attention?

1445
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 7: Like you know the movie, uh forget the program. You

1446
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 7: know they they made the running back followed it at

1447
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 7: one time, the car of the class everywhere, and if

1448
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 7: anybody bought the ball back to the coach, it was

1449
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 7: a problem. And so I'm not saying that Carson Wensday's

1450
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 7: a walk around with a ball and say, look, you

1451
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 7: got to take care of the ball.

1452
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: But that's why PJ.

1453
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 7: Fleck does the ball is the program, Like he wants

1454
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 7: to emphasize that every like never give it to anybody

1455
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 7: but the ref. Never throw it down to the ground.

1456
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 7: I don't want you spinning the ball, hand it to

1457
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 7: the ref. Hold it like dear life until the last

1458
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 7: minute till you hand it to that ref. I mean,

1459
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 7: we saw a kid get in trouble and not like that.

1460
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 7: But like PJ pointed out that the guy like threw

1461
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 7: it to the ref versus handing it to him. Yeah, like,

1462
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 7: don't do that, like take care of the ball and

1463
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 7: so not saying there's not an emphasis on it. You know,

1464
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 7: these are pro professional football players. They know they need

1465
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 7: to take care of the ball.

1466
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I just don't know the answer for that, because you

1468
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 7: can't blame the coach for that type of stuff. Like

1469
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 7: you mean, you can't say lack of effort, You just

1470
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 7: you just I just don't know the answer to it.

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01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 7: With some of the fumble stuff, you know, but if

1472
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 7: his interceptions, it goes.

1473
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: Back to the QB. Every everything falls on his shoulders.

1474
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Speaker 3: So in fairness in twenty twenty three, they were plus

1475
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 3: two in the take give twenty twenty two, they were

1476
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. They were minus twelve. Last season they

1477
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 3: were plus twelve. Okay, we dig that they're about to

1478
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 3: be minus four. I believe is where they're sitting at.

1479
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 3: And by the way, part of that minus four plays

1480
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,479
Speaker 3: in the fact defense doesn't have a take the last

1481
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: three games. Yeah, Isziah Rodgers had that one ye had

1482
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: won a piece in a huge game, and then yeah

1483
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 3: that was it. Yep, And it was bonanza week three

1484
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: against the Bengals and then nothing, absolutely nothing. Let's take

1485
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 3: one more call and then we shall pause. Oh popular topic,

1486
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 3: Nick and Wisconsin. Nick, Welcome to Vikings fan line.

1487
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 27: Yeah, I just want to talk about the quarterback situation.

1488
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 27: I get, you know, once he hasn't gotten the job done.

1489
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 27: He he's kind of you got us the dub Bengals

1490
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 27: against the you know, Browns. But as we saw today,

1491
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 27: he's not getting it done. McCarthy's still on.

1492
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 19: The kind of injured.

1493
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 27: I don't know if you're gonna rush him back into that.

1494
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 19: But how about Max Brosner.

1495
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 27: We saw him in the preseason singing around and I

1496
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 27: know it's preseason it's a whole different thing. But he

1497
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 27: saw what happened in San Francisco with Rock Purty. You know,

1498
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 27: mister irrelevant comes out, he's a good you know, take

1499
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 27: him to the super Bowl. I think you get Max

1500
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 27: Brosner a shot, you give him a chance.

1501
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 19: I'm just don't leave it at that all.

1502
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 3: I appreciated Nick bros More on Thursday. Ron it's gotta

1503
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 3: be we'll see. Well, I don't think it's gonna happen.

1504
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 3: It's gonna be JJ or Carson.

1505
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 5: Wiz. I mean.

1506
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 7: The crazy thing though, is Max was the backup today? Yeah,

1507
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 7: like JJ was the emergency quarterback. So well, he said,

1508
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 7: does stick into it with the healthy? Well, six weeks

1509
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 7: is normally what a high Anglesprain is and I don't

1510
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 7: know how many how many weeks has been since the Falcons?

1511
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:15,959
Speaker 2: Is are we at six?

1512
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 18: Like?

1513
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: Is this coming up to six? We're entering that territory.

1514
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 2: So do you play them Thursday night?

1515
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 7: Or do you give it one more week and then

1516
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 7: you play them Sunday.

1517
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 3: Well, unless something pops from this game today, I think

1518
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 3: it's gonna be Carson Thursday and then JJ a week

1519
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 3: from Sunday against against the line.

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Speaker 7: Because everybody wanted Harball to go against his old protege,

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01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 7: you know, Jaj McCarthy versus Harborball, and probably not going

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Speaker 7: to get that, but do you never probably not.

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Speaker 3: I was do one more and then we'll pause. Chris

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Speaker 3: and Oatana. Chris, welcome to Vikings fan line.

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Speaker 21: Hey guys, thought you're doing good.

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 21: Hey so uh you guys touching a lot of my topics. Already,

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01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 21: defense looked good, crumbled in the critical moments. Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 21: we've collated synthesized data. That experiment's over. Let us to

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01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 21: give you my two hottest takes one. I think the

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01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 21: most deflating. I think the most deflating played today was

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01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 21: actually the Justin Jefferson dropped catch. That's the fifty fifty ball.

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01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,919
Speaker 21: Everyone in the stadium thought that was a touchdown when

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Speaker 21: that hit the ground. I think that was more deflating

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01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 21: for the team and the fans than any other play.

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01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 21: He's our superstar. Everyone thought that was going to be

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01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,919
Speaker 21: a touchdown and it wasn't. And secondly, hot to take

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01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 21: Chaos might need to give up play calling. He had

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01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 21: sixty minutes to know that Carson Wentz wasn't on it.

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Speaker 21: The one drive that we had was Jordan Mason Heavick,

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Speaker 21: and we scored, and he said, you know what, we

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01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 21: don't score goals with running plays. He'd rather call fifteen

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 21: plays at the goal line, fifty past plays at the

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 21: goal line and lose, and call twelve run plays at

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Speaker 21: the goal line and win. So I'm a little frustrated

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01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 21: with that. I'll hang up in here opinion.

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01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it. I thought that was a good

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01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 3: play by was it was it Degene? Which corner wasn't

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01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: on the fade?

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Speaker 7: It was a fade ball to Justin Jefferson. I wouldn't

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 7: even call that a fifty to fifty. That was just

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01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 7: a fade stop high point ball. If JJ pulls to

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01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 7: Chris Carter, which don't bring it into your body, just

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01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 7: keep it in your two hands strong at heck, let

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01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 7: your two feet hit the ground, and then because you

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01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 7: don't need to.

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01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 2: Tuck it for a touchdown, just keep it.

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01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 7: He caught it and then as he's put if you

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01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 7: watch it in slow, he went to one hand to

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Speaker 7: pull it to his chest to fall to the ground,

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01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 7: and Degene never gave up on like smacking his arms.

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Speaker 7: That's when it came out if he just holds it

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01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 7: firm with two hands and touches the ground a la

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 7: Larry Fitzgerald did that a bunch the touchdown to the

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01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 7: Steelers toe touch and Santonio Holmes in the back of

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Speaker 7: the end zone. Just keep it in the two hands

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01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 7: and hit the ground and it's a touchdown. So again,

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Speaker 7: that's that guy makes that ninety nine times out of

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Speaker 7: one hundred, Justin Jefferson makes that play.

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Speaker 2: It's just the one time I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We had that one talkbacker earlier thinks Jefferson's slow after

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Speaker 3: the fifty yard scamper and every other wide receiver on

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01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 3: every other team's wide open except for for Justin Jeffess.

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Speaker 2: Jefferson gets open. I think he's open. He's okay.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna pause and then one more segment via the

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Speaker 3: Vikings Audio network, and then we're going to continue on.

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Speaker 3: Of course, meets Austin Max Fuller. Starting in just a

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01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 3: half hour or so, they're going to be doing Vikings

1579
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,799
Speaker 3: overtime leading you up to Sunday night coverage.

1580
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: So looking forward to that was saucy and Fuller.

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Speaker 3: But we're going to continue on more calls, text and talkbacks.

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Speaker 3: It's Vikings fan Line twenty eight to twenty two Vikings

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Speaker 28: Minnesota Sports follow the Leader, Minnesota Sports Leader.

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Speaker 2: He is FM one hundred point.

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Speaker 12: Three the Fan, Good afternoon, guys.

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Speaker 11: Just wanted to say, with all the Wentz top do

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Speaker 11: you think there's a reason why Carson Wentz has been

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Speaker 11: with sixteens and six years?

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Speaker 12: Just saying have a great day, guys, Just.

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 2: Saying, all right, it's a good point.

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01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 29: Hey, guys, just wanted to respond to people's chaos bashing chaos.

1594
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 29: If we had a competent quarterback, like let's say Joe

1595
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 29: burrowan be the elite offensive, he'd be scoring thirty points

1596
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 29: a game. Carson Wentz missed so many open players, so

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01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 29: many open receivers today and it's just chaos.

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01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 3: Well, you get up to thirty seconds with the free

1599
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app. You got to hit that microphone and you

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01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 3: get cut off if you don't get your entire thought

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Speaker 3: in into thirty seconds. Thank you for all of those talkbacks. Yeah,

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 3: Carson Wentz six teams in six years. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 3: and I would say the sentiment is true with say,

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01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 3: Joe Joe Burrow, But Joe's got to stay in the field. Man,

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Speaker 3: I feel bad that situation there. Although Flacco he's ageless.

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Speaker 28: Hello Todd from South Dakotah. Yeah, this team is not

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01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 28: a playoff team. Well, you've got to get some plays in.

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01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I every.

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01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 28: Snapping the ball, almost every play with almost zerio left

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Speaker 28: in the play clock.

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01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 2: Dallas Turner, total of you contain. That's your job.

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Speaker 28: He's been a total bus You can see how much

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01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 28: better Wilson was at IBM Pace. Let's tay him. He

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01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 28: made some plays. IBN Pace never makes any plays. Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 28: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love these talkbacks.

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Speaker 3: It's Vikings Fan Line one more here on the Greater

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Speaker 3: Vikings Audio Network. We're going to continue this on the

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 3: flagship one hundred point three FM the Fan and also

1620
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Speaker 3: that free iHeartRadio app where those talkbacks are coming from.

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Speaker 3: We appreciated eight hundred three two zero five three two six.

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01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 3: The Packers found their way to a field goal before

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Speaker 3: the break. Yeah deep one thirteen to six. Okay, Well

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Speaker 3: go Cardinals, and thank you for calling in. Let's let's

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Speaker 3: check in on the phone lines. Don and Brainer Don,

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Speaker 3: welcome to Vikings fan.

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Speaker 24: Line, Hey, guys, it was a it was a winnable game.

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01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 19: Yeah, I thought.

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Speaker 24: What really irritates me is you're down in zone about

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01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 24: six times within the twenty yadline and you're kicking field goals.

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 24: How many times have we heard that field goals don't

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01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 24: win big games, or they don't win Super Bowl or

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01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 24: playoff games. Okay, that's that's the logic. Take a shot,

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01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 24: take a chance. Well, you got six shots at it.

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01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 24: Even if you don't make the fourth down, you leave

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01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 24: the ball deep in the Eagles territory where we can

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01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 24: play some good defense. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: No, I appreciate that.

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the red zone is going to be the you know,

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01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 3: the secondary story probably to just what we've heard.

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01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 2: It's it's been a dominating conversation in the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,879
Speaker 2: One to six in the red zone is absolutely unacceptable.

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01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 3: And I'm just kind of think he hit the he

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01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 3: hit the nail on the head, not just the one

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01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 3: to six in the red zone. You know, you cash

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01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 3: in two more of those. You can do the math game.

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01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 3: You're you're winning this game. This was a winnable game,

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01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 3: and so how do you how do you frame this up?

1650
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 3: Vikings allowed three hundred and sixty yards. I know about

1651
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 3: the explosive play to Devonte Smith seventy nine yard TD.

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01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: You have Mittellus having to defend AJ Brown for what

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 3: feels like an eternity Jalen hurts pre damn good.

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01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 2: At those little loop overthrows.

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Speaker 3: It's a touchdown, and then late picking apart the zone,

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 3: lack of pass rush Jay, I mean just DeVante Smith

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01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: feasted on it and that late completion two to AJ

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01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 3: Brown seals it. In the end, this was a winnable game.

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01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 3: Defense gives up twenty one points, you get to pick six.

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Speaker 3: You know, no thanks to the QB. No, thanks to

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01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 3: Jay licks Hunt. Now that I've established what his actual

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01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 3: name is and and apparently the quarterback didn't see him.

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 3: I saw him. I think everybody saw. They were shocked,

1664
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 3: needed Carson to see him. But I think that you know,

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01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 3: so it's it's it can be. How do you how

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 3: do you frame up the defense in totality when if

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01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 3: you're coming in and it's like all right, if this

1668
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 3: is a get right game for the Eagles, that means

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01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: that Saquon gets loose today two point four carry You

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 3: did your job and then some again Saquon Barkley and

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01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 3: Tank Bigsby had a couple of nice runs, nothing really explosive,

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01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 3: nothing game changing, certainly, but in those few moments you

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01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 3: get picked apart, right, I mean, I just don't know,

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01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 3: how are you balancing it in terms of this red

1675
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 3: zone situations? Awful quarterback couldn't hit his targets today at all.

1676
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 3: Defense standing tall against the run, but two or three

1677
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 3: plays kind of tell the the end of the story.

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01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 9: You know.

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01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, So again I go back to Van Ginkle like

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 7: I think we're forgetting how impactful he is opposite of Grenard.

1681
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 7: You know, that's the thing. And he had an injury

1682
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 7: before with this you know, back neck thing. Yeah, is

1683
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 7: this long term?

1684
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Speaker 1: You know?

1685
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 2: Is this something where he might not be back this season.

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01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 7: That's the tough thing to even think about, Like this

1687
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 7: could be worse than.

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01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 2: We think it is.

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Speaker 7: He's a guy that gets tremendous pressure opposite Grenard. Grenard

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01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 7: gets there, but Van Ginko's usually right there. Like the

1691
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 7: minute the quarterback feels Grenard, it's like it's too late

1692
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 7: because gink is on you.

1693
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: And it didn't happen today.

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01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 7: So the dv's having to cover as long as they

1695
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 7: did on some of those secondary plays as they want

1696
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 7: to call it, Jalen Hurts is not always looking to

1697
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 7: run the ball.

1698
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 2: He's actually looking to throw the ball first.

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01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 7: He wants to find one of these weapons down the field.

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 7: And again it comes like Josh Mittella should never have

1701
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 7: to cover aj Brown for longer than two seconds, like

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 7: if that's gonna happen. And then the one you talked about,

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 7: the deep one at the end, it was just a

1704
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 7: great call and a gamble off of what the Vikings

1705
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 7: were gonna do, which he ran a slant and go.

1706
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 7: Isaiah Rodgers was assuming, let me break up the slant

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01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 7: because the sticks are right here, and he went opposite.

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01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: Think about it, and I bought this up. They might

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01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 2: be sending people too, And I brought this up a

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01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 2: long time ago.

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01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,839
Speaker 7: When you look at the JJ McCarthy interception against the Bears.

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Speaker 2: If JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 7: Won, if the player is a double move to the

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Speaker 7: outside receiver, it's a touchdown two.

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,919
Speaker 2: He also had the corner route.

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01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 7: On that because the dB set at the sticks for

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Speaker 7: the slot.

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01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, throw it to Jayalen Naylor on the corner. It's

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: a touchdown.

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Speaker 7: Because you have to sometimes just say like, look, I

1721
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 7: can't throw it to the sticks. Everybody's thinking that, let

1722
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 7: me throw it down like you know it. Just like

1723
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 7: today Adam Thielen's sticks route was a first down just

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01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 7: Jefferson cleared it out.

1725
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: That's because Jefferson cleared it out.

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01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 7: So those dbs had to respect Jefferson potentially running the

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01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 7: corner route, and then you know Carson wentz Steward on time.

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01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 7: You can't always screen play calling. When you go back

1729
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 7: and watch the film, you're like, the plays were actually there,

1730
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 7: they just didn't execute. Whether it was a miss rusher

1731
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 7: on the blitz, whether it's just a guy getting beat

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01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 7: off the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: There's so many things you can nail down to.

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01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 7: But you never really catch it right away during the game,

1735
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 7: like it feels like, oh, this play call was bad.

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01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: Oh, like he should have made this throw.

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01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 7: You go back and watch the film, then you're like, uh, okay,

1738
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 7: I can see why this happened, or I see why

1739
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 7: this happened. At the end of the day, you say

1740
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 7: what you want to say offensively or defensively, but the

1741
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 7: defense has to get pressure. So I don't know if

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01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 7: it's going back to blitzing more you know, having the

1743
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 7: fifth rusher. They had Blake cash and back, they kept

1744
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 7: Sa Kwan Barkley under control. But it was the pass rush,

1745
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 7: you know, whether it was you know, not sitting in

1746
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 7: the Tasmanian Devil Moore bringing in somebody else to like

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01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 7: get additional russ maybe having because if you just saw, know,

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01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 7: if you saw that that Packers rush where they had

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01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 7: Micah Parsons standing up in the a gap, maybe put

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01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 7: Dallas Turner inside, let him go against some guys that

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01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 7: aren't as used to that, and bring in another defense

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01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 7: in to be on the outside.

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01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 2: But Tyron Inger Dawkins.

1754
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 7: Was out, you know, like so you got a lot

1755
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 7: of that little stuff like that that when you got

1756
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 7: Tyron Ingham, Dawkins and Van Ginko out, you're losing pass rushers.

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01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 3: What we're gonna do at this point is we're gonna

1758
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 3: say good night to the greater Vikings Audio Network. The

1759
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 3: next time you hear from us, it's a Thursday night

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01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 3: affair in primetime Vikings at so FI against the Los

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01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 3: Angeles Chargers. Kick shortly after I think it's around seven

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01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 3: to twenty. We'll call it pregame. About an hour before

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01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 3: that's when you're gonna hear from us. The Vikings lose

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01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 3: today twenty eight twenty two. They're now three and three

1765
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 3: after the Birds came in town and Devonte Smith had

1766
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 3: a career game. But as we continue on, you're going

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01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,200
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01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,720
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01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: To take the calls, texts and talkbacks.

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Speaker 3: We're going to continue on for Ron Johnson and Max Fuller,

1774
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 3: MOMNRDO again. Vikings lose twenty eight twenty two, will montage it.

1775
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 3: We'll break it all down to morning when we're live

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01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 3: in local starting with the Power Trip at five thirty am.

1777
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 3: But this has been Vikings Fan Line on Kfan and

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1791
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Speaker 2: From nine to noon, Ron Johnson with me.

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01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 3: Vikings lose twenty eight twenty two to the Philadelphia Eagles.

1793
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 3: They fall to three and three. Big turnaround Thursday night

1794
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 3: game at the Chargers and we will unpack this one

1795
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 3: before we'll come ahead to Thursday night. Your call is

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01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 3: eight hundred and three to two zero five three two six.

1797
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 3: Also texts and talkbacks always appreciated, and this is leading

1798
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 3: you up to overtime. Saucy meets us, Paul Lambert and

1799
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 3: Max Fuller just about a half hour now. Let's jump

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Speaker 3: in to the phone lines right away. Jake in South Dakota. Jake,

1801
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 3: Welcome to Vikings Fan Line.

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01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 10: Hey, how's it going going?

1803
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 2: Well? What do you got?

1804
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 16: Hey?

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01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 10: I just wanted to talk about our pass rush. I mean,

1806
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 10: is Dallas Turner all that we thought he was going

1807
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 10: to be. I swear every time i'm watching him.

1808
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 2: If we're not doing a.

1809
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 10: Ryan Flores circus to get back to the Hurts, it's

1810
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 10: I'm just watching our four pass rushers just push their

1811
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 10: defensive I mean the offensive line guys, and they're not

1812
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 10: doing any swim moves or any of that. It's just

1813
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 10: I feel like we're not getting anywhere with our defensive

1814
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 10: line if they're not doing any of these stunts. And

1815
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 10: then offensive side of the ball. I mean it's like

1816
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 10: second and one from the five and we throw with

1817
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 10: it three passes.

1818
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know.

1819
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,839
Speaker 10: I just feel like sometimes our play calling from KOC

1820
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 10: might just be too predictable. If I'm the only one,

1821
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 10: I feel like I'm almost play calling from home saying

1822
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 10: I bet we're gonna do this, and I'm not even

1823
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 10: an NFL expert. That's all I gotta say.

1824
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 3: Thanks, Yeah, I appreciate it, Jake uh the Yeah, Dallas Turner, Man,

1825
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's still like I saw moments today

1826
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 3: where it's have you ever watched like older, like mid

1827
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 3: nineties action movies like Braveheart, like Brave Heart or something

1828
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 3: like that. There's a great one of the battle scenes

1829
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 3: in Brave Heart. I mean people are getting you know,

1830
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 3: heads getting chopped off, the whole thing. But then you

1831
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 3: can see like a couple of extras in the background.

1832
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: Just Mel Gibson, right, yeah, yeah, like they're.

1833
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 3: Just hitting like wooden stores, like they're just happy that they.

1834
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: Get to be in a movie.

1835
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 3: You know, look at the extra trying to figure out

1836
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 3: how they can get their names in the credits. Like

1837
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 3: I kind of felt like that was Dallas Turner rushing

1838
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 3: against Lane Johnson on several occasions today.

1839
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 2: Everybody caught it.

1840
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 3: There's the initial push and then it's it's I'm here,

1841
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 3: try again next time.

1842
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 2: All Right, it happened a couple times.

1843
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 7: I meant a combo sack with Jonathan Allen, so yeah,

1844
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 7: it's it's again. It's just youth. It's him figuring it out,

1845
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 7: learning it. Hopefully it doesn't continue. Hopefully this gets pointed

1846
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 7: out because everybody's gonna say that, dude, you can't stay

1847
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 7: engaged to the offensive tackle. You got to create a

1848
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 7: secondary move. But he brought up something about the passes right,

1849
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 7: the second and one passes right. I keep going over that.

1850
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 7: If the hole doesn't happen, it's a touchdown. If the

1851
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 7: catch is made, it's a touchdown. So there are some

1852
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 7: things in there where you just have to say you

1853
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 7: can't blame the like now tendency and all that stuff.

1854
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 2: And Corey Cole would have said, like, where's the analytics

1855
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 2: guy that would say run the ball three times?

1856
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: Right?

1857
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, there probably is a guy that would say that.

1858
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 7: But is running the ball predictable? Do you feel like

1859
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 7: your run game is unstoppable at that moment? Do you

1860
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:57,759
Speaker 7: go big?

1861
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1862
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: I would.

1863
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 7: I would go elephant package and just run ball. Like

1864
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 7: I would do what the Eagles would have done. I

1865
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 7: would have maybe quarterbacks sneaked it three times. But again,

1866
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 7: that's why Kevin Oboll gets paid. The money gets paid

1867
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 7: because those plays should have worked. Those should have been touchdowns.

1868
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 7: So sometimes we can't always just blame the play call.

1869
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 7: And because that's what I would do too as a player,

1870
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 7: I'd be like, man, why don't we just running the ball.

1871
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 7: But then you're also like, but dang, if this happened,

1872
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 7: that'd be a touchdown. So yeah, I mean it's it's

1873
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 7: it's a devil's advocate on that one.

1874
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: Well, This goes.

1875
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 3: Back to Carson Wentz is the problem in a vacuum

1876
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 3: Today's game rooting for Carson. He's a freaking warrior out there.

1877
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 3: Half his body's ready to freaking fall off. All of

1878
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 3: that rooting for Carson because he's playing for my favorite team.

1879
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 3: He was hideous today, super inaccurate. The decision making was bad.

1880
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 3: And so when you're talking about like play calling, and

1881
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 3: it's not like you know, I have a better opinion

1882
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 3: than anybody that I see it clearer more No, that's

1883
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 3: not what I'm saying at all. I just see that

1884
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 3: in this recurring theme. And it's not about even trying

1885
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 3: to stump for for He doesn't need me to.

1886
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 2: Stump for him.

1887
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 3: Running the ball more absolutely part of the conversation. I

1888
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 3: can't stand how the run game it comes, it disappears.

1889
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 2: It's back third quarter.

1890
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 3: Hey, look at these awesome and productive outside runs with

1891
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 3: Jordan Mason. Suddenly that's the only drive that you saw

1892
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 3: that today. Where did it go with that?

1893
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 2: Said man?

1894
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: If Carson is accurate, if Carson is making the correct decisions,

1895
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 3: these are all touchdowns. And I don't even look at

1896
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 3: it as the coach is asking him to do things

1897
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,799
Speaker 3: he can't do. You can't see CJ. Ham in the flat,

1898
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 3: you can't hit TJ. Hawkinson within freaking ten yards of him.

1899
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 3: You can't throw Jordan Addison in stride uncovered. Same thing

1900
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 3: happened against the Steelers, by the way, which is why

1901
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 3: he had to stop. He had to completely turn around

1902
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 3: and go, and Peyton Wilson dragged him down at the

1903
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 3: one true, he's not asking Carson to do things he

1904
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 3: can't do. He's actually scheming people open via the pass,

1905
01:24:58,439 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 3: not the run.

1906
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: Get the send, I get the idea there.

1907
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 3: I'm just it's it's and it's not even about stumping

1908
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 3: for Kse when when you're watching some of this stuff

1909
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 3: and we're rooting for him area code seven to one,

1910
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 3: go crazy Fargo, we get it. Number I mean, we

1911
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 3: want Carson to succeed because he's quarterbacking our favorite team. Well,

1912
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 3: my goodness, how inaccurate and indecisive he was, the double

1913
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 3: clutching and the pumping, not trusting his own eyes and

1914
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 3: what he saw in some cases, not seeing Jylex Hunt

1915
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 3: on the pick six. Let's take Let's take another call here,

1916
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 3: Shane and Sioux Falls.

1917
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:34,560
Speaker 2: Shane, Welcome to Vikings.

1918
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 19: Van Line Hey, Ron, how you guys doing beautiful? Got

1919
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 19: a couple of comments, Uh, the Wines thing, I get it,

1920
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 19: you know, but they didn't, you know, they didn't bring

1921
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 19: him in to be the starter. He's the best that

1922
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 19: they got, you know, and this is supposed to be

1923
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 19: McCarthy's gig and whatever else. For all the people screaming

1924
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 19: for Brozemer, do you really think he can outperform when

1925
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 19: you know, Wentz did not have a good day to day,

1926
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 19: made a lot of mistakes, but he still threw for

1927
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 19: three hundred yards on Philly's defense. So I mean, I

1928
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 19: would say, you know, get one more start and then

1929
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 19: hopefully you got to turn just you got to give

1930
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 19: it to McCarthy. You got to give it to McCarthy.

1931
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 19: See what the kid can do defensively. Though I've heard

1932
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 19: some calls today ripping on Flores and whatever else. And

1933
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 19: we've been beating this dead horse about Cracy's drafts forever,

1934
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 19: and I hate to bring it up again, or because

1935
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 19: I know it's you're tired of talking about it. But

1936
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 19: on defense, in the secondary, all three of your primary

1937
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 19: defensive backs are free agents. Byron Murphy, Isaiah Rogers, Jefficuda,

1938
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 19: you got two guys at safety, Your main two guys

1939
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 19: at play or three, Theo Jackson, to tell Us and

1940
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 19: Harrison Smith. One's a free agent, the other two were

1941
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 19: drafted by Rick Peelman. Linebacker, Pace Cashman and Eric Wilson,

1942
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 19: all free agents. The defensive line, if Van Ginkle's healthy,

1943
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 19: all four starters are free agents. The only guy that

1944
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Speaker 19: plays on the defensive line that Klacy drafted is Dallas Turner,

1945
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 19: and he's playing because Van Ginkle's hurt. So all these

1946
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 19: people screaming at Flores. You know, you can't build a

1947
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 19: you can't build a great team through free agency. And

1948
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 19: our defense is entirely free agents. So anyway, that's my

1949
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 19: rants for the day. I got you the other guys, Yeah,

1950
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Speaker 19: thank you, thank.

1951
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Speaker 2: You, Shane. Yeah, there's another to argue about.

1952
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 3: There's nothing to argue about as it pertains to how

1953
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 3: the roster is constructed. Winnable game and one to six

1954
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 3: in the red zone turns a W into an.

1955
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 2: L twenty eight twenty two to the final.

1956
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Speaker 3: A couple more brief SEGM here, Ron Johnson and myself Nordo,

1957
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 3: and then we're going to pass the torch onto Sauce

1958
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 3: and Max Fuller for Vikings overtime.

1959
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 2: Stay on hold. We've still got calls, we got text

1960
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 2: we got talkbacks.

1961
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 3: Eventually our local Chevy dealers drive of the game as well.

1962
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,759
Speaker 3: We'll get to all of that next. It's a Vikings

1963
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 3: fan line on the fan Fan Radio Network. Welcome back,

1964
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Speaker 3: Vikings fan Line. Vikings lose twenty eight twenty two. Let's

1965
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 3: time around some more phone calls here before we put

1966
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Speaker 3: a rap on this thing and pass the torch.

1967
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Speaker 2: Howard Howard, Welcome to Vikings fan line.

1968
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 16: Hey, thanks, good to be with you. Disappointing afternoon, but

1969
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 16: as far as I remember, getting beat deep no matter

1970
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 16: what coverage you're in is the first cardinal. Send them

1971
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 16: safeties and cornerbacks. I don't believe I've ever seen Mattelis

1972
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 16: make a worse play on the first touchdown and then

1973
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 16: the second, the second two our best corner so far.

1974
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 16: Isaiah Rodgers gets beat twice and lets people get behind him,

1975
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 16: and with his speed he should have caught up on

1976
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 16: the first one, and then wasn't the last one. Byron

1977
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 16: Murphy Junior, I just I don't get it. I mean,

1978
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 16: I understand the hurts is escapable and buys extra time,

1979
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:37,719
Speaker 16: but still better to get beat underneath than deep.

1980
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Speaker 2: No matter what, I appreciate the call, Howard.

1981
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 3: There were a couple of moments today, not specifically, and

1982
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 3: we talked earlier about just kind of what we're seeing

1983
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 3: out of the safeties, what we're seeing, what we saw

1984
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 3: in coverage of times today.

1985
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have this.

1986
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 3: And I saw Wilson. Wilson was almost taking the cheese.

1987
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 3: I think he did it three or four different times.

1988
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 3: Ron where he's kind of sitting back there in his

1989
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 3: zone and he's biting on the close. He's biting on

1990
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 3: the route in front of him, and Davante Smith was

1991
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 3: just like twenty yards to the good right behind him.

1992
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 3: And I'm just curious, like instinctually, he's got to be

1993
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 3: told right, and he probably and he knows this right right,

1994
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 3: You can't bite on that guy. Let Goddard get you sick,

1995
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 3: get six. Let's not let Davonte get twenty right behind you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So I'm guessing they were in cover four and if

1998
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 7: they were in some type of four shell, because the

1999
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Speaker 7: corner who had DeVante Smith in that just kept going

2000
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Speaker 7: back to cover his whether they were third, like cover

2001
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 7: three or cover four, he was going back to cover

2002
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 7: his fourth of the field or his third of the

2003
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 7: field on that the linebackers have the hook, so I

2004
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 7: think either if you're the hook guy or the flat guy,

2005
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 7: like all the linebackers have a role. And then if

2006
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 7: you play a little Tampa two behind it and Pete

2007
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 7: and I broke it down in the in the pregame show,

2008
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 7: and that was literally like what Jalen Hurts does. He

2009
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 7: wants the linebackers to settle so he can hit that

2010
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 7: second layer throw. Whether it's a tight end today it

2011
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 7: was Devanta Smith. It wasn't the tight ends as much

2012
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 7: up the seam as it was Devonte Smith and aj

2013
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 7: Brown in that interior. But that's tough to act as

2014
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 7: a linebacker to not bite on the cheese like in

2015
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 7: his mind.

2016
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Speaker 2: But you're right, it should be more of read and react.

2017
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 7: Let him throw it there and then make the six

2018
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:22,799
Speaker 7: yard tackle versus jumping it before the throw because clearly

2019
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Speaker 7: there's something behind you.

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01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,440
Speaker 2: But in his mind, I bet he was probably.

2021
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 7: Thinking, so if I'm the force, they were there and

2022
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 7: cover four four safeties across the or sorry, two corners,

2023
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,560
Speaker 7: two safeties across the back. When Davanta Adams comes in,

2024
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 7: that next safety whoever has that quarter of the field

2025
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 7: has to come up and attack right away. I think

2026
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 7: that's part of his Everybody continue to back up. I

2027
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 7: guarantee if we watched the All twenty two next, you

2028
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 7: know this week, everybody probably kept backing up, trying to

2029
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 7: stay deeper than the deepest.

2030
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 2: But it's the deeper than the deepest in your part.

2031
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 7: So meaning all four guys back there have a quarter

2032
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 7: of the field. So at some point and coaches, some

2033
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 7: coaches call it, don't cover grass. You got to stop

2034
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 7: covering grass, Like don't guard the grass, go guard the man.

2035
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Speaker 7: Like if you run back and you know there's nobody

2036
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 7: threatening your quarter of the field. And that's why you

2037
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 7: see like Harrison Smith jump some of those balls sometimes,

2038
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,480
Speaker 7: like there's some safeties and corners that are just instinctual

2039
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 7: where they're like, there's nothing behind me, I'm going up,

2040
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 7: so Edtery, Troy podmhlu Ryan Clark. You know, like you

2041
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 7: can go back and watch those guys make those plays.

2042
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 7: It did feel a little bit today like guys were

2043
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 7: playing the technique right, like this is the call.

2044
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cover my forte.

2045
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 7: But you need to be able to come up if

2046
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 7: you know nobody's going behind you at that point because

2047
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 7: if you're whatever your internal clock is, Okay, that's three seconds,

2048
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 7: four seconds, there's nobody behind me. Now one of us

2049
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 7: has to come up and protect that area. Again, But

2050
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 7: could it have been like was one linebacker supposed to

2051
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 7: be deeper? Did he get caught too? Like did two

2052
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 7: linebackers look at the guy underneath? Because again I say

2053
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 7: that in the film that happened a ton like Antoine

2054
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 7: Winfield and the Buck, same thing. Their linebacker dropped and

2055
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 7: he was looking at the wrong guy. So I don't

2056
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 7: have the end for that because the coverage, it's the

2057
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 7: coverage call for the underneath guys.

2058
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 2: What were they supposed to do in that moment?

2059
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 3: Well, and but begetting kind of bringing it back, just

2060
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 3: kind of noting some of that the we talked about

2061
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 3: it earlier. To that, to that caller's point kind of

2062
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 3: the second chance passing where he's not sacked, Yes, it's

2063
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 3: like he does have the extra two seconds. So he

2064
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 3: mentioned he's never seen a worse play than Mattelius on

2065
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 3: AJ Brown. Well, he had to cover AJ Brown for

2066
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 3: four or five seconds. Yeah, tell us that's not possible.

2067
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 3: Not his fault, He's he covered the route, he covered

2068
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 3: the curl. He was on the dig curl like he

2069
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 3: was standing right with him, hugging him right.

2070
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 2: But I do want to know.

2071
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 3: I do want to know on the DeVante Smith the

2072
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 3: long touchdown, the seventy nine yarder, and as fast as

2073
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 3: he is, Isaiah Rodgers did almost catch Devonte but couldn't

2074
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 3: tackle him before he found his way into the end zone.

2075
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 3: But I do want to know exactly. I wish I could,

2076
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 3: and I'll get the chance, maybe check out the all

2077
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 3: twenty two side of things, exactly what went into that

2078
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 3: play and how DeVante found himself so far beyond number two.

2079
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 2: One more pause, yes, no, one thing and another thing.

2080
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 7: The caller says something about, like Isaiah Rodgers should have

2081
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 7: done something on that deep ball. He's playing the slant

2082
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 7: like he was playing the slant. He was trying to

2083
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,720
Speaker 7: stop the slant. It was just a double move on

2084
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 7: whatever that was third and five or six whatever, like

2085
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 7: he was playing the sticks.

2086
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 5: It was.

2087
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 2: It was, you know, the call was a slant and go,

2088
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 2: and he was flat.

2089
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 7: Footed on the slant thinking I'm gonna stop this guy

2090
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 7: coming across my face and I'm gonna break it up.

2091
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 2: And it was a go route, so there was nothing

2092
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 2: he could do there.

2093
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 3: One more pause and then we're gonna pass the torch.

2094
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll just have Saucy come in studio. Next segment,

2095
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 3: we can just do kind of like a transition segment,

2096
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 3: if you will. We'll bring in Saucy and Max Fuller

2097
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 3: and then just figure out what the heck we watch today.

2098
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two, The Final, it's Vikings fan Line. Ron

2099
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 3: Johnson's here, I'm Nordo. One more to Go fan fan

2100
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Speaker 3: Radio Network. Final segment, it's Vikings fan line, and just

2101
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 3: kind of gonna just do a little few minute roundtable

2102
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 3: here before we pause. Meets Paul Lambert has entered the studio.

2103
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 3: Twenty eight, twenty two, The final, The Vikings lose Power

2104
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 3: Trip's going to be live at five point thirty Sad

2105
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:10,719
Speaker 3: Montage at nine.

2106
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 2: We're your home for Vikings football.

2107
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 3: We'll cover it in earnest. But Vikings overtime style. What

2108
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 3: do you think, soci I mean the red zone and

2109
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 3: the QB man.

2110
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 30: I think a lot of your callers are correct, and

2111
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 30: they a lot of them have wanted to talk about

2112
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 30: the quarterback. I don't think it's you know, you look

2113
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 30: back and you watch how they were in the red

2114
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 30: zone and you go maybe you know, you can blame

2115
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 30: some of the play calling was weird, But there were

2116
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 30: so many moments with Carson Wentz where even Pete and

2117
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 30: Pa were like, that's not a play.

2118
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:46,879
Speaker 2: Of vet makes right. Like the intentional grounding was awful.

2119
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 2: There was the one where like he.

2120
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 30: Had Addison on that like little slip screen and he

2121
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:55,639
Speaker 30: was wide open and he just ducked it into the ground.

2122
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 2: There was that.

2123
01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 30: There were just some really bad situations for Wentz. He

2124
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 30: threw the ball away a couple of times, like the

2125
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 30: one where he just threw it up and they picked

2126
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 30: it off.

2127
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 2: That was bad. I think it's put up or shut

2128
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 2: up at this point. You have to play McCarthy.

2129
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: You have to.

2130
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 19: You just have to.

2131
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,600
Speaker 30: Like, if he's healthy, if he's the third string quarterback,

2132
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 30: he went through all the the he looked fine to

2133
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 30: me walking up and down the field.

2134
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 2: You have to play him. You just have to.

2135
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 30: It's it's a sad state of affairs if you're gonna

2136
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 30: run Wentz out there. And I know the Colts are

2137
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 30: a wagon and they're destroying the Chargers, but come on,

2138
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 30: you gotta you gotta start JJ on on Thursday night

2139
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 30: in LA.

2140
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of the thing that's happening right now

2141
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 3: is the season Darnold's having in Seattle, what Daniel Jones

2142
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 3: is doing, the reclamation.

2143
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 2: Probably the best team in the league.

2144
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 3: He's been terrific. And they do happen to have Jonathan

2145
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 3: Taylor who just runs wild every week.

2146
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 2: So that's a fast downs.

2147
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 3: But but then you even I mean, if you were

2148
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 3: wondering about Aaron Rodgers to Minnesota, you're seeing him and

2149
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 3: those Steelers. I know they lost a tough one, but

2150
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 3: that wasn't Rogers with those four tds the other night,

2151
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 3: and we're trying to figure out Wentz, every mccarthfield or Brosmer.

2152
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 2: Every single quarterback option that they let go. Ron is good.

2153
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Daniel jons is outstanding. Sam Donald is very good.

2154
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 2: Rogers good.

2155
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's leading the league in completed air yard, yes,

2156
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 7: like an intended air yard, we could use that, Like

2157
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 7: he's almost ten yards down the field per throw.

2158
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 2: Is where Sam Donald's at.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 7: Again, we know early on with the Jets he was bad.

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Speaker 7: But whatever Kevin O'Connell did, he unlocks something in him.

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Speaker 7: Because this kid is seeing the field like nobody like

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Speaker 7: he's picking defenses apart. But again, we talked about the

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Speaker 7: quarterbacks here. Some of the plays today we still have

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Speaker 7: to say some of those catches have to be made.

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Speaker 7: But you can definitely say second and one, run the ball,

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Speaker 7: run the ball. Let's get more plays in, don't hold

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Speaker 7: the guy. That's a touchdown, jj you make that catch

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Speaker 7: ninety nine times out of one hundred, justin Jefferson is.

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Speaker 2: Going to make that catch on a fade route. So

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Speaker 2: there are some weird things.

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Speaker 7: But then there's that interception that was thrown down the

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Speaker 7: field like a punt, why you know, taking the versus

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Speaker 7: throwing it out the back of the end zone. All

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Speaker 7: just throw it to the fans and it's legit because

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Speaker 7: there's guys in the end zone.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing we're talking about, Like, if McCarthy's healthy,

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Speaker 3: he needs to play his car. Is Carson healthy? And

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Speaker 3: that that throw told me And I'm trying to give

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Speaker 3: him the benefit of the doubt. He was so inaccurate

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Speaker 3: and tough to watch at times today. Bad Yeah, George,

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Speaker 3: I'm almost hoping that there's an injury explanation attached to

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Speaker 3: this because it wasn't good enough. The misses were terrible.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Ron, thanks for hanging out with me today.

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Speaker 3: That's Ron Johnson. Saucy is gonna jump into my chair.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Vikings Fan Line is over. The game was over twenty

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Speaker 3: eight to twenty two. Teams won a six in the

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Speaker 3: red zone. What are you going to say?

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Speaker 2: The turnover differential is a problem.

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Speaker 3: But I know that Vikings overtime, Saucy and Max are

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Speaker 3: going to continue this conversation and handle it.

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Speaker 2: They got the answers. I do know that.

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Speaker 3: But it's a short turnaround for us. It's a Chargers

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Speaker 3: Thursday night affair. It's so far on Thursday night they're

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Speaker 3: chasing the Colts. They're in Route two and L. So

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Speaker 3: we'll see what they're in shapen on Thursday night. But

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Speaker 3: that's the next time we do. Fan Line pregame around five,

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Speaker 3: Network joins around six, kickoff around seven to twenty.

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Speaker 2: Power Trip with Saucy will be live at five.

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Speaker 3: Thirty tomorrow nine to noon, Sad montage and continued reaction

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Speaker 3: to today's game.

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Speaker 2: We'll ensue more talkbacks as well.

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Speaker 3: This has been Vikings Fan Line, Kfan Minnesota, Vikings Audio

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Speaker 3: Network Fan and the Fan Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. Stay tuned. Vikings Overtime

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