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Speaker 1: There's the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse

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Speaker 1: Kelly Show on a wonderful, fantastic Thursday. We have an

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Speaker 1: amazing hour plan for you here. Some guys worried about

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Speaker 1: the right wing violence that may start in response to theirs.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. This guy's border crosser wife is

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Speaker 1: turning communist. Some guy wants to know where Chris and

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Speaker 1: I linked up the Marine Corps ball is that something

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Speaker 1: that I ever went to? All that and so much

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Speaker 1: more coming up tonight on the world famous Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: We'll even get into Lindsey Graham A that's always a

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Speaker 1: good time. That's always a good time. Before we get

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Speaker 1: to any of that, I want to answer this, Jesse.

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Speaker 1: With the left hunt continually escalating violence against us, how

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Speaker 1: long before some on the right start retaliating with violence

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Speaker 1: against them? And where do you think that would take us? Well, first,

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Speaker 1: I was just like you. I was mourning for a

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Speaker 1: while after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And it wasn't just

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Speaker 1: you know the loss of a martyr and a husband

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Speaker 1: that that was a big part of it, not just

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Speaker 1: where we were, where we're going. Because I had told

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Speaker 1: I told you that was coming, and once it got here,

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Speaker 1: it just was kind of one of these oh, we're here,

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Speaker 1: and I'm still add that it will keep happening. It will.

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Speaker 1: Now you you heard the story, I'm sure about the

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Speaker 1: guy who was going to try to firebomb the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court justices. Maybe maybe you missed this, but there is

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Speaker 1: a cathedral where the conservative right wing Supreme Court justices.

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Speaker 1: Occasionally they will attend a special mass there, and so

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Speaker 1: it would be the Clarence Thomas's and Alitos and these types.

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Speaker 1: Now they didn't happen to go on this day, but

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Speaker 1: And I talked to Luke Resiac with the with the

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Speaker 1: to Luke Razayak about that, and it wasn't just some

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Speaker 1: By the grace of God, he was stopped and the

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Speaker 1: justices weren't there anyway. But there's going to be more.

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Speaker 1: There will be These people are demonic. There's going to

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's not even like far right groups like

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Speaker 2: the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers, which have had national leaders.

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Speaker 2: Unlike Antifa, there is no organized hierarchy to the group,

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Speaker 2: and according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad. So I was sad and I remain.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm still bummed about where we're going, knowing

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Speaker 1: that more people will die. We know, I shouldn't say

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Speaker 1: it's going to happen. So your question is how long

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Speaker 1: because I've told you many times before it's not that

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Speaker 1: I hope it's going to be a while. Here's what

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Speaker 1: That's my fear. That's my fear, because then it gets

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Speaker 1: to do from there? Then they have to see it

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Speaker 1: all gets bad. But violence does beget violence, and therefore

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Speaker 1: I worry the right will not remain peaceful forever. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's like racism. Racism begets racism. You can't stop it.

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Speaker 1: There is more anti black racism right now in the

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Speaker 1: Why because the cultural Marxists, the black race Marxists in

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Speaker 1: it come out of nowhere? No, you get enough Jasmine

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Speaker 1: It's just a terrible state of affairs. Jesse, my common

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Speaker 1: I'm privileged, I support Trump and that I'm a Nazi.

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Speaker 1: I do? Or basic advice? Oh, I would call aisen

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Speaker 1: her reported Hey five Ed Jesse with all your humorless

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Speaker 1: It was a seven o'clock at night show. It's just

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Speaker 1: no there's nothing. The first night I got there. You

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Speaker 1: You have to have a board operator. That's somebody who

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean. It's an honor for you, and

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Speaker 1: on a wonderful Thursday. Chris, you need to play more

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Speaker 1: Three Dog Night. Everybody likes Three Dog Night, even people

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Speaker 1: This is me formally requesting some more Three Dog Night.

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Speaker 1: can happen. Doctor Beaver, you played the Lady Graham clips

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Speaker 1: you noticed his leading questions about whether they can responsibly

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, if the committee decided to say, increase by

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Speaker 3: I believe you. What I want to mary people to

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Speaker 3: know is that the budget requests for the FBI is

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Speaker 3: below inflation. Do you agree with that? I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 3: couldn't hear with the budget requests for the FBI's below inflation?

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, after listening to you and everything you say is

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Speaker 3: Do you think the committee should look at increasing your

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Speaker 1: silver star, these kinds of things. These are lofty, lofty

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Speaker 1: And you see an officer who has one of those,

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Speaker 1: check to see if he has a purple heart. Officers

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Speaker 1: even earn. I just got done reading what was this

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Speaker 1: book called Sogged? You know, I love the Macbee sog

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Speaker 1: stuff John Plaster. I don't know him, but I read

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Speaker 1: his book. It's called Sog John Plaster. Again. The book

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Speaker 1: is called Sog by John Plaster. One more time, Sog

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Speaker 1: by John Plaster. That way, you don't email me and

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Speaker 1: ask anyway. I just got done reading his book Sog.

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Speaker 1: It's just crazy, the bravery there. And in fact, the

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Speaker 1: more I read it, the angry or I got about

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Speaker 1: the mission. I really don't care for it. But the

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Speaker 1: MacFee saw guys are the greatest freaking bravest dudes, stupid bravery.

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Speaker 1: And he's telling a tale in that book. I won't

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Speaker 1: go into all the details of it, of this unit

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Speaker 1: gets surrounded on one of our units, and there's a

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Speaker 1: captain there, and the captain is essentially a worthless, gutless

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Speaker 1: coward the entire time, and they're trying to evacuate people

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Speaker 1: on the few helicopters that can that can get in.

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Speaker 1: People are dying everywhere. They're trying to fight off the

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Speaker 1: Vietnamese that I think it was the end, trying to

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Speaker 1: fight off the NBA while getting the super wounded people

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Speaker 1: on the hels. Those are the ones who had to

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Speaker 1: be heloed out in order to save themselves. And finally

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Speaker 1: He's not even wounded, runs and jumps on one of

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Speaker 1: the heroes. He's the ranking officer and bails and leaves

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Speaker 1: them all behind. Gets back, and I forget I think

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Speaker 1: it was the Silver Star, but it might have been

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Speaker 1: the Distinguished Service Cross. Gets back and puts himself in

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Speaker 1: for a metal and gets one. They were so disgusted

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Speaker 1: with the idea with the whole story is in the

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Speaker 1: book if you want to read it. But if an

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Speaker 1: officer has a medal for valor, check and see if

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Speaker 1: he has a purple heart. If he doesn't, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that, I would necessarily trust that all the way.

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Speaker 1: Very good rule, Very good rule. Okay. So to answer

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Speaker 1: your question, which I didn't answer, and actually I'll explain

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Speaker 1: what I mean by I don't like the macvie Saw mission.

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Speaker 1: The more I read it, what is above and beyond

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Speaker 1: the call of duty? It's hard hard to say. It's

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Speaker 1: just hard to say. Usually in these cases, as you

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Speaker 1: know you hear me read this ditation every Monday. Usually

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Speaker 1: you're doing something that you were not even ordered to do,

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Speaker 1: something on your own initiative, something that you have a

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Speaker 1: very high likelihood of dying, something suicidal. To be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, that's usually what they mean by that. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me clarify before we get back to the stories

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Speaker 1: and the politics and everything else, let me clarify what

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Speaker 1: I meant when I said I don't like the Macfee's.

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Speaker 1: I really disliked the macv' song mission. Their casualty rate

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Speaker 1: was over one hundred percent. Member casualties are not deaths. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's anyone wounded over one hundred percent. That means everybody

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Speaker 1: was wounded, many of them more than once. Their KIA

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Speaker 1: rate death rate over fifty percent. In my opinion, this

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Speaker 1: is a personal opinion. In my opinion, that should never

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Speaker 1: happen unless we are in a dire, desperate defense of

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Speaker 1: the homeland situation. I would be upset if that happened

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Speaker 1: in World War Two. That's how upset I would be. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about an individual battle, in a battle

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Speaker 1: or something like that. That's gonna happen. You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: whole units wiped out. SOG went on for eight years,

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Speaker 1: and the odds were you were going to die. One

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Speaker 1: of the things Plaster says in that book, And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna mess up the numbers a little bit, but he said,

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Speaker 1: you go out on three missions before you're even allowed

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Speaker 1: to talk. Really, you go out on five, you're a contributor.

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Speaker 1: If you end up going out on fifteen, you're really

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Speaker 1: pressing your luck. And if you make twenty, everyone's gonna

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Speaker 1: start looking at you like, why are you still alive?

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Speaker 1: These guys died all the time they go out. They

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Speaker 1: drop them behind enemy lines. And I've told you about

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Speaker 1: one unit that just disappeared. That happened all the time.

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Speaker 1: They would drop these guys and they would just disappear,

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Speaker 1: and they'd never hear it from them again because they

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Speaker 1: would get swarmed and killed immediately. You carried on a program,

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Speaker 1: no matter what, I don't care what good it did.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say I don't care. They did do a

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Speaker 1: lot of good. You carried on a program for eight

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Speaker 1: years of our best and brightest, and more than half

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Speaker 1: of them died. Unacceptable should unless unless we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the impending collapse of the United States of America because

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Speaker 1: an invading army is on our soil. That should never happen.

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Speaker 1: Chris said, did it do any good? Or they did

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Speaker 1: tons of good? They tied up large quantities of troops,

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Speaker 1: They were amazing at recon and calling in airstrikes, and

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Speaker 1: they did amazing things, amazing amounts of good. And like

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Speaker 1: I said, there's some of the bravest men I've ever

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Speaker 1: heard about at any period of time. They're the most

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Speaker 1: amazing human beings. The mission is ridiculous, but just freak

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Speaker 1: it suicidal. You take six guys and you go drop

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Speaker 1: them in right in between you know, ten thousand MVA

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Speaker 1: troops and you have to helo out and they're alone.

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Speaker 1: They're hunting them down with dogs. It's unacceptable. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I do not believe in that. I think that should

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Speaker 1: have been stopped. But this is my personal opinion, all right,