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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show on a Steeler Monday.

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Speaker 1: You were no good for me, I'm no good for you.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me on Twitter at Mark Madden x.

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked by what happened. I never saw that coming.

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Speaker 1: At least it feels like there's life in the Steelers now.

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Speaker 1: At least they showed some pride in front of the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl forty guys. The defense wasn't perfect. Indy was

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Speaker 1: five out of five on fourth down. I don't get

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Speaker 1: Washington getting lots of targets. I don't get Metcalf disappointing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to the running game. The

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Speaker 1: defensive backfield still is not to be trusted. The special

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Speaker 1: teams coach clown boy Danny Smith. He's on TV way

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Speaker 1: too much, dude. They converted a fake punt, sit down,

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Speaker 1: shut up, and chew a little less gum. But mostly

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Speaker 1: it was real, real good. Maybe I'm being too hard

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Speaker 1: on Danny Smith. Everybody loves a clown. He should get

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Speaker 1: a big red nose and big floppy shoes. Uh, let's

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Speaker 1: talk now to Tommy Radio. Tom what are you making Danny

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Speaker 1: Smith on TV? You know he's probably a good guy

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Speaker 1: and a good coach.

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Speaker 2: He just bugs me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're kind of like Rob Riggle and Stepbrothers right

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Speaker 3: where it's just like, it's just something about your face.

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Speaker 3: And Will Ferrell's like, is anything I can do about that? No,

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Speaker 3: just your face exactly.

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Speaker 1: But Danny Smith could kick my ass. Let's make night

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Speaker 1: of course about that. Did what stripsack?

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Speaker 2: When not? The Colts finished that drive and go ahead

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Speaker 2: fourteen nil.

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Speaker 3: It was getting really dark in that stadium too, because

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Speaker 3: they had the lucky break with Josh Down's muffing the

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Speaker 3: punt and then they go for it on fourth down,

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Speaker 3: which is good. I don't want them to be discouraged

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Speaker 3: for not getting that because that was the right decision,

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Speaker 3: but they failed and things were starting to flip there.

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Speaker 3: I bet the boobirds were gonna come out if the

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Speaker 3: Colts punched that in the end zone and then yeah,

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Speaker 3: watch just struck like a bolt of lightning. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to say he specifically won the game just on

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Speaker 3: that drive or that play, but.

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Speaker 2: He did well.

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Speaker 3: Rogers needed to capitalize on it, no question he did.

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Speaker 3: But like you said, nothing was going right there.

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Speaker 1: If the cold squad fourteen nil, I think the crowd

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Speaker 1: turns they were already dark. That just changed the whole

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Speaker 1: complexion of the game.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers have sixteen takeaways, second in the league, but

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Speaker 1: eleven of those came in two games.

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Speaker 2: It's a skewed.

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Speaker 3: Number, absolutely, and they needed to be more of a

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Speaker 3: consistent thing. They can't have the stretch like they just

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Speaker 3: did where they went with like three straight games without

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Speaker 3: forcing a turnover. That's a death sentence for them because

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Speaker 3: I know some of this might have been done in

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Speaker 3: garbage time mark, but Danny Diame's still ripping them up.

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Speaker 3: As far as passing yard it is is concerned. And

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Speaker 3: the Colts severely outgained the Steelers, and I just think

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Speaker 3: that's the way this defense is. Like, You're never gonna

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Speaker 3: get them to keep a team to two hundred total

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Speaker 3: yards of offense. But their bread and butter, their secret

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Speaker 3: sauce is forcing the turnover and sacks, sax and turnovers.

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Speaker 3: And that dried up for three straight games. And they

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Speaker 3: looked like absolute crap when that dries up.

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Speaker 1: You know what they did too, This is a little thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about it more later. On the pass rush.

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Speaker 1: They got their arms up, they deflected balls, h Wilson

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Speaker 3: Warrior for for that, it was crazy.

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Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, so at least they're doing I mean, I know,

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Speaker 1: that's a fundamental thing that you just should do, but

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Speaker 3: And yesterday they did and they're so good at it,

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Speaker 3: and it was weird to see that kind of dry

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Speaker 3: Colts scored on this drive, but he batted two in

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Speaker 2: But he's so old. I'm like, I'm like looking at

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Speaker 2: the I'm old. I can't keep my arms up. I'm

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Speaker 3: But he's I was great to see him set the

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Speaker 1: Now, Rogers, like I said, wasn't great stats wise, but

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Speaker 1: three touchdowns in a field goal out of Indy six turnovers.

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Speaker 1: Rogers is clinical when he's got to be. And again,

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Speaker 1: I think he's the MVP so far this season.

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Speaker 3: The capitalization off of the turnovers is just a big

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Speaker 3: difference there. You know, Steelers teams in years past, even

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Speaker 3: for that six or seven game stretch, but you know

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Speaker 3: they're not getting three touchdowns in a field goal off

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Speaker 2: They've been lucky to get any touchdown a bunch of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so no question, Like, I know the stats don't

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Speaker 3: look great for him in this game, but man, he

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Speaker 3: Other than if you're gonna pick anybody from the offense

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Speaker 3: to be the MVP of the game yesterday, it was

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers by a long shot.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, the defense had five takeaways at New

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Speaker 1: England six yesterday, but I felt like New England gave

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Speaker 1: those away in that game back when. But yes, against

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Speaker 1: any of the Steelers defense made plays in five sacks too.

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Speaker 2: I think this was a much.

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Speaker 1: Better defensive performance than we've seen all year, and that

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Speaker 1: includes the New England game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just because also you're going up against the

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Speaker 3: number one offense in the league coming into the game,

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Speaker 3: so it's even more impressive when you look at it

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Speaker 3: from that lens. I get what you're saying about that

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Speaker 3: vibe of the New England turnovers, Like New England just

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Speaker 3: kept making so many mistakes. Ramondre Stevenson, the running back,

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Speaker 3: With Indianapolis, they were forced. I mean there was nothing

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing the Colts

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Speaker 3: did wrong. That was just what making a great play

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Speaker 3: athleticism in the wherewithal to get the pick and finish

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Speaker 3: the playoff. Like, yeah, there was a more of an

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Speaker 1: I still feel like the secondary is a mess. Jones

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Speaker 1: made mistakes, three picks, bad throws, But that secondary. I

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Speaker 1: did like Ramsey's safety. I did like that he seemed

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Speaker 3: I think the secondary is always going to be worrisome

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Speaker 3: and you're not forcing those turnovers, tipping those passes, you're

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Speaker 3: not providing that splash. They're just gonna get cooked. And

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Speaker 3: I like Ramsey and Dugger as the tandem moving forward.

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Speaker 3: I think you should just why not it worked right, Thornhill, Clark,

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Speaker 3: Pepper's they suck Pepper, no pun intended them in every

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Speaker 3: now and again. You don't have to bench all three

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Speaker 2: But no, I would bench all three.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, Dugger played ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 3: the snaps. He played all but one snap.

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Speaker 1: After having like had a couple of days long the

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Speaker 3: So it only goes up from here.

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Speaker 2: And he's a hitter.

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Speaker 3: And Ramsey played every snap, so you're right, Maybe just

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Speaker 3: scratch him. One of those guys put a helmet on

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Speaker 1: I would not only scratch them, but insult them. I

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Speaker 1: would say, you're not getting a helmet. This guy who's

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Speaker 3: But the problem there as the trickle down, what do

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Speaker 3: such a true slot that he would slide right into

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Speaker 3: what Ramsey's role was. But then that leaf sleigh as

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Speaker 3: you're outside, and I think Slay is cooked.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was yesterday a PS game or what. He

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Speaker 1: got penalties, but he made plays. He made a lot

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Speaker 1: of plays. I thought that that was one of his

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Speaker 3: By Yeah, and I think you're gonna get some penalties

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Speaker 3: when you do that, but look at the plays.

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Speaker 2: I'm not bothered by that.

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Speaker 3: Well, if he's gonna make those plays, yeah, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: Know, yesterday was a good game. It was a PS game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I could live with an Then some what did you

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Speaker 3: Look with it when it came to the Steelers in

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Speaker 2: They lined up basically in a four to.

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Speaker 1: Is the modern day warrior Jack Sawyer because he's an

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Speaker 3: And he's just a playmaker. I mean, dudes at Ohio

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Speaker 3: like seeing Harrison and Wilson and Queen on the field

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Speaker 1: And Plus we get one guest the year from the

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Speaker 1: the modern day warrior. We got quite We got quite

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Speaker 1: Are football guru, the former prom and college Scott. I

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Speaker 1: three look and what they're doing with with the backers

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Speaker 1: what he thinks of Ramsey. It's safety as well. It's

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Speaker 1: the pregame show brought to us by the personal injury

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Speaker 2: One O five ninety X people.

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Speaker 1: Are freaking out the game show with Mark Madden and

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Speaker 1: Tom Afferman. There are a bunch of reasons to take

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Speaker 1: a single result, a good one like we saw yesterday

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Speaker 1: for the Steelers. There's a bunch of reasons to take

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Speaker 1: that result with a grain of salt. And one good

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Speaker 1: NFL's just theft up. Chicago beat Cincinnati forty seven, forty two.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati just can't score enough except against the Steelers. Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's you have to stack some wins up because

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Speaker 3: But I don't know it. It really feels like, like

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Speaker 2: Now, do you think Indy's a fraud or was it

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Speaker 1: The one thing I will say, and this doesn't make

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Speaker 3: I wonder too, the effect of Jonathan Taylor being shut

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's one thing to be determined, it's another

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh no question, Like I said, I can't wait

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Speaker 3: Now, Tyler, don't you think the Colts, like this is

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Speaker 3: But yeah, but he just turned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the Steelers allowed them to catch up in

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Speaker 2: Now Tyler warned a tight end. He didn't do much.

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Speaker 1: Uh five catches twenty six yards Uh to contain both Tyler,

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Speaker 3: He had to be. Ramsey really pulling a lot of

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Speaker 3: He's only gonna get more familiar with the defense. He's

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Speaker 1: It says a lot about my opinion of the coaching

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Speaker 3: And I don't think of trust either that it's going

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Speaker 3: You need to see this become. The consistent thing with

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Speaker 1: Now, coachs couldn't run the ball, but the Steelers couldn't

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was just abysmal, and it was showing

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Speaker 3: That's fine, but not a defense that should have shut

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Speaker 1: Why is Metcalf so relatively uninvolved and Darnell Washington seems

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Speaker 2: Metcalf only four targets.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Darnell Washington's preferred, Like I don't

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Speaker 3: think Rogers goes into games like he's like, I can't

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Speaker 2: Six targets Metcalf four.

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Speaker 1: That is an unexpected disparity, but but not a ridiculous one.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, just like I think Rogers

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Speaker 1: I know this won't be a popular opinion, and you'll

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Speaker 3: But he's contributing to the offense, right, so the blocking

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Speaker 3: But it had nothing that he had. They had nothing

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Speaker 2: I think Johnny Smith's pissed he came here.

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Speaker 3: I think Johnny Smith should be pissed that he dropped

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Speaker 3: He had so much room to run out there. Did

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Speaker 2: You know what? You know what?

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Speaker 3: Be like, Hey, you know what?

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Speaker 2: Doom?

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. Maybe you're you're onto something. Don't you

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Speaker 1: love the tomorrow's the trade deadline?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Don't you love all the rumors? I do?

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Speaker 1: It's I think they're gonna do anything I don't in

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Speaker 2: I don't want him. I wouldn't give.

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Speaker 3: Hm a helmet, So go trade at four corner so

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Speaker 3: you don't have to.

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Speaker 1: I was reading on one of those you know, team

444
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Speaker 1: by team trade deadline expectations, right, and they said that

445
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Speaker 1: likely to leave is Darius Slay and I just can't

446
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Speaker 1: believe any team would want to trade for Darius Slay.

447
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Speaker 1: And then they said a likely target, like we've been

448
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Speaker 1: hearing for weeks, is Jacoby Myers, the wide receiver.

449
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Speaker 2: From Vegas.

450
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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, okay, if I could get if

451
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Speaker 1: I could trade Sligh and know he'd be covering Jakobe Myers,

452
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Speaker 1: I would definitely target Jakobe Myers in the trade market.

453
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Speaker 2: And literally once the game started one oh five ninety X.

454
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Speaker 3: What's that sound. That's the sound of downy unstoppable sindbads

455
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Speaker 3: Going into Your Washing Machine.

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Speaker 1: Show brought to us by Shandrovich, Shandrovitch and Fishman, your

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Speaker 1: personal injury experts. They charged twenty five percent the rest charge.

458
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Speaker 1: Forty Penguins got cracked at Winnipeg five to two one Saturday.

459
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Speaker 1: That ends the point streak at eight games. Brunick had

460
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Speaker 1: a bad game on defense minus two and some bad errors.

461
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Speaker 1: He might end up back on the bus at Junior A.

462
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Speaker 1: He's playing his ninth game tonight when the Penguins visit Toronto,

463
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Speaker 1: so they'll probably decide after that. Sid scored. That's nine goal.

464
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Speaker 1: Sid has his scoring touch this year and his look

465
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Speaker 1: to do it, which is what they need. They need

466
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Speaker 1: goalscoring Sid, maybe even a little bit more than they need.

467
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Speaker 1: Two hundred foot Sid. Winnipeg scored twice in the first

468
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Speaker 1: three minutes. That's a one way ticket to Palukaville. But again,

469
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Speaker 1: no Biggie. The Penguins were due to drop a clanger

470
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Speaker 1: and that was it. Penguins are at Toronto tonight, puck

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Speaker 1: drops at seven thirty. Come watch the game with me

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Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh Brewing Company in Creighton, just off rough twenty eighth.

473
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Speaker 1: They got the biggest big screen TV in Pittsburgh. Check

474
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Speaker 1: out my Twitter to see it, and I'm giving away

475
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Speaker 1: a bunch of Penguins bobbleheads and good ones valuable ones.

476
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Speaker 2: Lemieux Malkin crossbeat Latang.

477
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Speaker 1: So check it out tonight's stop in early to register

478
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Speaker 1: to win. Maybe the Penguins beat Toronto tonight and pile

479
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Speaker 1: onto that Blue Jays misery from the World Series. Tom,

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Speaker 1: I'm not panicked by the loss at Winnipeg. The Penguins,

481
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Speaker 1: like I said, do for a bad game, but two

482
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Speaker 1: things were wonky. Like I said, was a lot of

483
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Speaker 1: two goals in the first three minutes and Brunick wasn't good.

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Speaker 2: Again. What would you do with Brunick.

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Speaker 3: I'm worried that they're going to send him back. But

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Speaker 3: something that you've been talking about for the past week

487
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Speaker 3: or two is you don't want to split up these kids,

488
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Speaker 3: like Brunick is part of that original group, the Ogs.

489
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Speaker 3: You know, the energy, yeah, the enthusiasm, the locker room.

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Speaker 3: I think back to Opening Night and you started with Gino,

491
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Speaker 3: sid and Kindle with Brunick and Ltang as your defense pair,

492
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Speaker 3: and it was just like that was such a statement

493
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Speaker 3: for this is the new era of Penguin's hockey with

494
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Speaker 3: the old era of Penguins hockey, and to let Brunick

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Speaker 3: go from that just, I don't know. It doesn't sit well.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you just keep him and you scratch him and

497
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Speaker 3: you load management him and you rotate him with Doomba,

498
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Speaker 3: but you just you keep him.

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Speaker 1: He's been more good than bad. He just had a

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Speaker 1: rough patch lately. But yeah, I keep him and let

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Speaker 1: him work it out here. That would absolutely, one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent be my decision.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And also, if you're trying to make the playoffs now,

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Speaker 1: he is one of your best six defense. The only

506
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Speaker 1: thing that puts him in the bad spot is Dumba's

507
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Speaker 1: pretty good. And they could have Dumba with Tang and

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Speaker 1: Carlston on the right side.

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Speaker 2: But here's a kicker.

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Speaker 1: You send Brunick back to juniors, he can't return what

511
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Speaker 1: if one of the right sided guys gets.

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Speaker 3: Hurt exactly And and I just don't want to put

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Speaker 3: yourself in that box. If Brunick does just develop and

514
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Speaker 3: get better as the year goes on, and then he's

515
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Speaker 3: stuck in juniors all of a sudden and you desperately

516
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Speaker 3: need him even if no one gets hurt, Mark, you

517
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Speaker 3: just need him for that extra you know, jolt to help.

518
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Speaker 3: Like you said, have your best six defenseman out there

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Speaker 3: as you try to make a playoff.

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Speaker 1: See, I wouldn't be uncomfortable with Dumba and Brunick is

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Speaker 1: my bottom pair with Doomba playing the off side.

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Speaker 2: But boy Dan used the new coach. He hasn't lied much,

523
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Speaker 2: but he lied about how he wouldn't mind a righty,

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Speaker 2: righty pair.

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Speaker 1: Uh. The minute that Caleb Jones got hurt, he called

526
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Speaker 1: up a left Owen Pickering after one game, just one

527
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Speaker 1: game of a righty, righty pair.

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Speaker 3: And he's been okay right Owen Pickering, like he's not

529
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Speaker 3: been terrible, and you want him to be, you know,

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Speaker 3: a bottom.

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Speaker 1: For him, because I think he's a talent. I always

532
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Speaker 1: feel a bit disappointed.

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Speaker 3: But he's a young kid because you what you viewed him.

534
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Speaker 3: You never viewed him as a top pair, right.

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Speaker 1: I viewed him as a solid number two guy, and

536
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Speaker 1: he's too young to maybe have reached his peak yet,

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Speaker 1: but I thought he'd be closer.

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Speaker 3: I still like the idea of having him and Brunick

539
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Speaker 3: as your bottom pair most nights and then maybe spelling

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Speaker 3: Doomba in for Brunick and maybe doom Ba in on

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Speaker 3: his off side for pickering, and you can kind of

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Speaker 3: have a rotation of those three down there.

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Speaker 1: Here's the big question for me, lineup wise, who should

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Speaker 1: play on Sid's wing while Raquel's hurt?

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Speaker 2: Because Hollander.

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Speaker 1: Ain't it that he's been there with Sid and rushed

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Speaker 1: since Raquel's injury. And that's not knocking Hollander, But I've

548
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Speaker 1: always seen him as maybe bottom six is too strong,

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Speaker 1: maybe middle six, but I never saw him as a

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Speaker 1: Sid wing.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not allowed to pull Kindle off of the

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Speaker 3: third line as my answer, because that's.

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Speaker 1: What kingdle a shot, even though he's better at center

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Speaker 1: than he is wing. But past Hollander and Kindle, I'm

555
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Speaker 1: not sure who the other choices are. You can't pull

556
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Speaker 1: anybody off the market line, Brazo or Mantha. That line's working.

557
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Speaker 1: Plus those guys are too big and slow to play

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Speaker 1: with Sid. Who else is there? I mean Tommy Novak,

559
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Speaker 1: I hope not. The depth ain't there.

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Speaker 3: And I guess we're just done with coiven In as

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Speaker 3: far as him playing with said, well, I.

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Speaker 1: Would say Coyven, but I gotta tell you, remember, I

563
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Speaker 1: got a little bit twitchy when they set him down

564
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Speaker 1: after just a couple of games, and he did rip

565
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Speaker 1: up Wilkes. But now since returning, he's got zero points

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Speaker 1: in four games, zero points in six games total.

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Speaker 2: He just can't get going.

568
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Speaker 3: Worried he might be like one of those Quad A players, right,

569
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Speaker 3: like he's just kind of stucked too early.

570
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Speaker 2: But I do worry that he's not ready just now.

571
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Speaker 3: But you know what could really get him going is

572
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Speaker 3: skating with Sid for an extended period of time. But

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Sid wants that. You referenced that

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Speaker 3: Covenan might not have the speed to keep up with

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Speaker 3: Sid on that line.

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Speaker 2: Well, see, I think he does.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure the organization does, or for that matter,

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Speaker 1: Sid thinks that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so often they just try to read And

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they like this current organizats them, past organistions,

581
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Speaker 3: for past front offices for the Penguins. They always just

582
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Speaker 3: try to read what Sid wants and try to just

583
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Speaker 3: make the decision for him. Almost.

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Speaker 1: I guess Shiloff's played okay and goal at Winnipeg twenty

585
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Speaker 1: nine saves despite letting in the two early ones. I'm

586
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Speaker 1: not sure he was at fault for those didn't let

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Speaker 1: in the first shot at least Tom let in the

588
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Speaker 1: second one. But I don't trust the goaltending. Maybe I should,

589
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Speaker 1: but I don't yet.

590
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Speaker 3: I don't think Shiloff's was terrible, like you said, But

591
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Speaker 3: what if Jari comes out in Dazzles tonight against the least,

592
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Speaker 3: do you start to decide about your rotation or do

593
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Speaker 3: you keep strong with that.

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Speaker 1: I'm rotating them through the end of this month, at

595
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Speaker 1: least barring one of them. Just being catastrophically bad. Catastrophically

596
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Speaker 1: bad would affect my decision more than being amazingly good.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the more likely scenario too, is that one's

598
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Speaker 3: gonna blow up as opposed to one become Patrick Waugh.

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Speaker 2: I'm not hoping for that, but that's certainly how I

600
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Speaker 2: bet that's what it would go as. Yeah, yeah, so,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm rotten to say that, but that's how I

603
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Speaker 1: feel about the goaltending. What is it about Toronto? They're

604
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Speaker 1: off to like a five hundred start. Marner's gone. Toronto

605
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Speaker 1: got good players like Matthews and Nilander, but no goaltending,

606
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Speaker 1: and maybe they're past their window.

607
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Speaker 2: And you know what's funny.

608
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Speaker 1: I wondered why Toronto didn't go out and get a

609
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Speaker 1: better goalie. I wonder why Edmonton didn't go out and

610
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Speaker 1: get a better goalie. And you know why, Tom, there's

611
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Speaker 1: none to get. Okay, there's none to get. There is

612
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Speaker 1: just the shortage of good goaltending.

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Speaker 3: I think there was one to get. They could have

614
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Speaker 3: gotten Johnny Gibson. Yeah, because Detroit got him in. Detroit's

615
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Speaker 3: off to a really good start with him between.

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Speaker 1: The boy I'm sure John's overjoyed to move from the

617
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Speaker 1: beach in Malibu to d Detroit.

618
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Speaker 3: He's playing good hockey, though he's not a good team

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Speaker 3: though I would.

620
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Speaker 2: Guess that neither one reminds him of Baldwin.

621
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Speaker 3: But when it comes to the Toronto Maple Leafs, like

622
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Speaker 3: maybe Mitch Marner was just the guy there, Like maybe

623
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Speaker 3: he was the one that really stirred that drink for them.

624
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Speaker 3: Because Matthew's only a six goals so far through twelve games.

625
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Speaker 3: He's not terrible, don't get me wrong, but you're Austin

626
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Speaker 3: Matthews man, You're supposed to have more than that.

627
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Speaker 1: Well, you gotta give Vegas credit because they have Aiden Hill,

628
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Speaker 1: a guy who won a Cup but they didn't want

629
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Speaker 1: to take no chances. They had the guts, the wist

630
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Speaker 1: and the slings and arrows of the righteous coverage of

631
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Speaker 1: the athletic and they signed carter Hart.

632
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

633
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Speaker 1: I think it's a really good move for them. Edmonton

634
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: should have got carter Hart.

635
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Speaker 3: Would you say that? I know that Toronto should.

636
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Speaker 2: Have got carter Hart.

637
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Speaker 1: Know what, though, the media in Toronto and as liberal

638
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Speaker 1: as candidate is the leaf to ride alive if they

639
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Speaker 1: would have got carter Hart after for those who don't know,

640
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Speaker 1: he was acquitted of the rape thing when he played

641
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Speaker 1: for World Juniors for Canada.

642
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Speaker 3: I mean that move carter Hart comes back because he'll

643
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Speaker 3: probably want he'll play second half of the season.

644
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Speaker 1: You think we don't get me wrong, He ain't. He

645
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Speaker 1: ain't that good either, but he was never created in Philadelphia.

646
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Speaker 1: The potentials there right, Yeah, And like I said, if

647
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Speaker 1: I were at Toronto or Edmonton, I would have taken

648
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Speaker 1: a chance on that potential.

649
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely would have because you need to you

650
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: need somebody to just put you over the top, and

651
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: maybe he can do that. Did you say Vegas is

652
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: probably the best team in your eyes right now? The

653
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: record wise doesn't say that they only have fifteen points,

654
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: but I don't know if you if you them, Colorado

655
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: is off to a really great start too.

656
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Speaker 1: Colorado's not deep enough and they, you know what's funny,

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Speaker 1: as good as McKinnon and cal mccarr r Randon might

658
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Speaker 1: have been there. I don't want to say their best players,

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Speaker 1: but their most impactful player.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like what we were just saying about Marner

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Speaker 3: with the Leafs, like maybe he was their most impactful player.

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Speaker 1: I think I think, I mean he was a playmaking wing.

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Speaker 1: I think I think he made Matthews and plus the

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Speaker 1: combination of him.

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Speaker 2: And Jack Tichl in Vegas is deadly. It is freaking deadly.

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Speaker 3: The Jets are honestly probably the best team in hockey.

667
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Speaker 3: But you ain't trusting the Winnipeg Jets or Hella Buck

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Speaker 3: in the net come playoff time.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trusting anybody in the league in nets.

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Speaker 1: If you had to say to me which team is

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Speaker 1: gonna win based on having the best goaltending, I would

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Speaker 1: say none of the above.

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Speaker 3: It's so devoid at that position. I mean, Vasileski's the

674
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: best goaltender in hockey. Maybe still not igor but they

675
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: both have fourteen points and the Rangers and the Lightning

676
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Speaker 3: are stuck in the moshy middle right now.

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Speaker 1: Vassie's worn out. He just old played a lot of

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00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: playoff games. Shasterkin is just on a team that ain't good.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the Rangers of the I'm gonna break up my

680
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: old line, Tom, whatever it is the New York Rangers

681
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Speaker 1: never had, they still haven't got.

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Speaker 2: And if you want some blind, nutty optimism with.

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Speaker 1: The Penguins, what if things just keep going bad for

684
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: good teams with bad goaltenders and Jari plays good up

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Speaker 1: till the trade deadline, because you do if the Penguins

686
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Speaker 1: are in the hunt and could get something legitimate to

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Speaker 1: help now for Jari, and you can bring up Morishov,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you do that?

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Speaker 3: He's got the fourth best safe percentage in hockey right now,

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00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 3: Tristan Jarry just slightly in front of Connor Hellibut.

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Speaker 2: That's a lie you made that looking at it right now,

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Speaker 2: turn the screen.

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Speaker 3: Ninety percentage. Tristian Jarry's fourth in the NHL.

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Speaker 2: That looks like a forgery to be one oh five

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Speaker 2: to nine the X.

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Speaker 4: Tonight it's the Pens against the Maple Leafs. Game time

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Speaker 4: is seven thirty. Our coverage starts at six thirty. Listen

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Speaker 4: to every game and the best Pens coverage on your

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Speaker 4: home of the Pittsburgh Penguins five nine X.

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Speaker 3: Mix of Sun and Clouds.

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Speaker 1: Today, look for a high of fifty six clear Skuys tonight,

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Speaker 1: dropping down to an overnight low of thirty eight.

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Speaker 3: Partley Cloudy's guys. Tomorrow, look for high fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: It's Macy's Friends and family.

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Speaker 3: It's the Mark manx.

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Speaker 1: Doblem On the excess time off for the trifecta, brought

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Speaker 1: to us by Danny's patrid Hogies on Route eighty eight

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Speaker 1: in Bethel Park. Gotta love Danny's Gotta go there. That's

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Speaker 1: Danny's on Route eighty eight in Bethel Park.

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Speaker 3: Tom what do we got for today's trifector? Mark? I

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Speaker 3: got the three biggest beasts on that Steelers defense yesterday

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Speaker 3: against the Colts. That's tough to narrow downe it really is.

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Speaker 3: And I left TJ. Watt off the list because he

716
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Speaker 3: had the biggest play of a defensive player. But there

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00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: were guys that had, you know, more than one play.

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Speaker 3: And we're just all over the field.

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Speaker 2: J I'm gonna hear you out, but that that seems

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Speaker 2: like a bad call.

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Speaker 3: Initially I put high Smith on the list at number three.

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Speaker 3: He was wrecking that game opposite of TJ. Watt. Two sacks,

723
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Speaker 3: two tackles for loss, hitting the quarterback like crazy. And

724
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Speaker 3: he's been under the microscope a lot about being like

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Speaker 3: why is herbing not playing over you? So he stepped

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00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: up huge as with TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt.

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Speaker 3: It's about time, Yeah, no question about it. He's a

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00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: high paid player on that defense. Number two for me

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Speaker 3: is Joey Porter Junior. We talked about him a little

731
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Speaker 3: bit earlier, big pick to seal the game at the end,

732
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Speaker 3: which was awesome. But he was all over Pittman in

733
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: that game, very physical, making plays. Who cares about the

734
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Speaker 3: DPIs because he was a noticeable difference maker in that secondary.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big PS fan, have been since they drafted him.

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Speaker 1: Was when he was at Penn State. Heck, I saw

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Speaker 1: him play at North at Lagany, and I think his

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Speaker 1: failure here is disappointment to date here in his Steel

739
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: career is partly because they don't deploy him right. They're

740
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Speaker 1: so scared of those past interference penalties. Yes, they don't

741
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Speaker 1: have him played press man enough. He should be playing

742
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Speaker 1: pressman all the time. And you live with the good

743
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Speaker 1: and the bad, because yesterday the good far out numbered

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Speaker 1: the bat.

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Speaker 3: And if you got to have your other corners play

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Speaker 3: more pressman or play man coverage because of that, so

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Speaker 3: be it, because it's what Porter does best. Number one

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Speaker 3: for me, though, is Peyton Wilson. He was awesome all

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Speaker 3: over the field. Fourteen total tackles. I think it was

750
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Speaker 3: like ten solo tackles, fourteen total tackles. Had that big

751
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: interception too, which I don't know what Danny Dimes was

752
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Speaker 3: looking at because Wilson was just kind of like sitting

753
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: there Jack. Peyton Wilson was like a true middle linebacker

754
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: should be. Was all over the place, making tackles, making

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00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: splash plays. And Patrick Queen was good, but Peyton Wilson

756
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 3: was the number one inside backer and if he can

757
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Speaker 3: kind of start to ascend to that more consistently, it's

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Speaker 3: great news for Steelers.

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Speaker 1: You know what's great about your list, Tom, the trifecta

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Speaker 1: is all three guys have mostly been crapped this.

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Speaker 3: Year and they stepped up huge in this game. Yeah,

762
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Speaker 3: can they keep doing it, they need to for sure.

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Speaker 3: And with let me put it this way, with Peyton

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Speaker 3: Wilson and Joey Porter Jr. I mean, those two guys,

765
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Speaker 3: there's a lot on their shoulders as far as like

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00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: you need to be the next wave of Steelers defenders

767
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: because these old guys. I mean, they had a great

768
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Speaker 3: game against the Colts, but I'm still nervous about the

769
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Speaker 3: consistency for an older defense. They need some of the

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Speaker 3: youth to step by, and Wilson and Joey Port Junior

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Speaker 3: are prime candidates for that.

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Speaker 1: That's the trifecta brought to us by Danny's PiZZ and

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Speaker 1: Hogies on Route eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: Tom how nuts was that World Series? An entire country heartbroken?

775
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Speaker 3: It was great. I hate how we always go to

776
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Speaker 3: this is the best World Series ever. This is the

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Speaker 3: best thing that I've ever seen. Why do we have

778
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: to do that every time?

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Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty World Series was better or more drama in

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Speaker 1: that one, And I'm glad that nobody from the Blue

781
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: jayson a walk off home run in Game seven.

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Speaker 2: I want that to be Mas's property forever.

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Speaker 3: That was the only thing that ruined that watching experience

784
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: to me was as it was unfolding and cool, dramatic

785
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: things are happening. I'd hop on Twitter and people would

786
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: be like, this is the best World Series I've ever

787
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: seen in the history of baseball. It's the best ever,

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Speaker 3: and it's just like, why do we have to be

789
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: so dramatic. Let's just enjoy what's happening in front of us.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna end on a walk off replay,

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Speaker 3: which would have just I did it.

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Speaker 2: For a second too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how about IKF should have scored on that play.

794
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: But he's you know, you know what I give ik

795
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Speaker 2: have credit for.

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Speaker 1: He was getting excoriated on social media because he didn't

797
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Speaker 1: get a good jump to score.

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Speaker 2: He told the truth.

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Speaker 1: He said that the third base coach told me to

800
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Speaker 1: stay close because you don't want me to get doubled up.

801
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: If I don't score the series ending run. That makes

802
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: the whole nation go bonkers. And it's not my fault.

803
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not my fault.

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00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of experience throwing coaching under the

805
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: bus too, for the time with the Pirates, so he's

806
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: good at that. He said a lot of bad coaching,

807
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 3: He's had a lot of bad coaching as well. That's true.

808
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: Tawny pitching was such a marvel to start that game too,

809
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 3: didn't do so good, But Yamamoto, I mean.

810
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Stole the spot likely and him in Glass now pitched

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Speaker 1: ok too, last.

812
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: Pitch ok, but on back to back days you have.

813
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: But Glass only threw three pitches the night before, so

814
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: throw in the nineties the night before, and then to

815
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Speaker 3: come out and throw a couple innings on top of

816
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Speaker 3: that and get out of jams. I thought it was

817
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: a very deserving World Series MVP and.

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Speaker 1: His arm didn't fall off. Maybe it's a miracle. That's

819
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: food for thought moving forward. You know what else I

820
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: hated about the World Series, like people immediately presented and

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Speaker 1: I'll talk more about this at length later that oh,

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00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: the Dodgers bought a World Series. Well, the Dodgers did

823
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: have the highest payroll in baseball at three hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty million. Toronto had the seventh highest payroll at two

825
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five million. But they were presented as

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Speaker 1: poverty underdogs.

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Speaker 3: Right, and they took the Dodgers to the death. Honestly

828
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: should have won that game. Mark like the Blue Jays, miss.

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00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: I think several opportunities, And I'm saying the.

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Speaker 1: Better team lost, but I thought Toronto should have won

831
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Speaker 1: that game.

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Speaker 3: The better team in that game, I think did end

833
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Speaker 3: up losing because they had just so many opportunities that

834
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Speaker 3: they weren't able to capitalize on. So, yeah, it's weird

835
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: to paint it like that, like, oh, great, Goliath just

836
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: stepped on David again, like it was as tight as

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Speaker 3: it could possibly be. And then like you said, Toronto's

838
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: a huge market and they paid a ton of money

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Speaker 3: as well, Oh.

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Speaker 1: You know what, you know what else? I I just

841
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: kind of rolled my eyes at that afterwards. You know,

842
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: a lot of local people. I give Noah House credit

843
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: because he went against the grain talking about this on Twitter,

844
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: but people were saying baseball's broken. Baseball's not broken. Baseball's

845
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: exactly as MLB wants it to be. The World Series

846
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: was the number two market in the country against an

847
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Speaker 1: entire nation. Okay, the only way it could have been

848
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: a bigger deal is if a New York team was involved.

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00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: If the Yankees were playing the Dodgers again, right, if the.

850
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: Yankees were playing the Dodgers and playing Toronto, Let's make

851
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: it a three way dance.

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00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: Baseball's perfect Baseball is exactly where baseball wants to be,

853
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: and it's exactly where the owners, like Bob Nutting wanted

854
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: to be too. They don't want this cap nonsense. They

855
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: don't want to have to The.

856
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: Small market owners don't want to want to pay to

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Speaker 1: the floor. The big market owners do want to cost

858
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: certainty though. It's gonna be the weirdest CBA battle when

859
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Speaker 1: it expires after next season, and it's gonna be the

860
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: reverse that the rich guys want the cap, the poor guys.

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Speaker 3: Don't, and then once they come out of it after

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00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: a locked out season, Paul Skeen saves the sport by

863
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Speaker 3: being a New York Yankee and leading them to glory.

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Speaker 1: The only thing better than that World Series would be

865
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Speaker 1: baseball locked out for a real long time.

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Speaker 2: One O five to ninety x