WEBVTT - 10-16-25 Ken Broo in for Willie 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.120 All right, twelve oh seven, welcome on in. It's the 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.959 average American in for the great American on this Thursday. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.360 Downtown Cincinnati will be a buzz tonight. Thus stubllers are 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.759 in town. Oh, I can only imagine, and I will 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.200 only imagine because I leave my couch. There's no way. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.640 I mean, let's put it this way. Whenever this game happens. 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:27.760 As much as I like to be at games, if 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:32.440 it's a night game against Pittsburgh, Homie ain't leaving home. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:34.839 That's just the way it is. But nevertheless, it's the 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.600 Steelers tonight in town to take on the Bengals, what's 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.320 left of the Bengals for a Thursday night game. And 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:44.680 it will be interesting to see exactly how the rest 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:49.280 of downtown Cincinnati behaves because it has been, as you know, 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.600 and as we've been talking about on this radio station, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.160 it seems like since the middle of this summer, it 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.200 is a dicey proposition every time the sun goes down 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.120 on Cincinnati. So we'll see what tonight brings. I'm sure 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.000 there will be, as always with any Bengals game night 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.280 or noon, a very strong police presence. But who exactly 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.560 will be the chief of Cincinnati's police force when the 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.720 sun goes down tonight. According to the Inquirer, the city 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:20.959 is negotiating with the current police chief, Thereesa Thiji to resign. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.959 She has been called back from Denver, from where all 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.920 these police chiefs were meeting at a conference, and called 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.840 back quickly by the city manager, Cheryl Long. So it 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.839 doesn't sound like she's long for the police world here 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.840 in Cincinnati. But somebody else who knows and knows that 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.280 this might not be the best thing for the City 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.360 of Cincinnati to do is standing by to join us 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.840 right now. He, of course, is Cincinnati Fraternal Order of 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.280 Police President Ken kobt Ket. How are you on this 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:50.120 glorious day. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:51.640 I'm doing great. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:52.040 How are you? 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:52.960 I'm well. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.200 They're going to can Thiji, aren't they. 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.760 I suspect it's coming. It's just a matter of time. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.240 From what I've seen in the comments you've made, she's 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.480 nothing more than a scapegoat here, Is that right? 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:07.520 Oh? 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:08.240 Without a doubt. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.799 I mean, this is the problem, and I've told other 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.960 media outlets the same thing is getting rid of her 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.800 is not fixing the problem. It's just not You have 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.480 a mayor that is telling her what to do, and 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:24.720 she does it perfect excuse me, perfect example, the chief 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.160 has asked the mayor for the last year to go 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.400 meet with CPS figure out what we're going to do 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:30.720 with these kids that are coming down. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.400 Here to these bus stops, and he just refuses to 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:33.640 do it. 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.399 She's gone to the mayor and say, listen, you've got 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.880 to do something with these judges. Put pressure on these 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.680 judges to give high bonds, put pressure on these judges 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.359 to lock these violent people up and keep them locked 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.000 up because the police are doing what they're supposed to 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.520 be doing. And the bottom line is the marriage hasn't 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.880 done it. So to use her as a scapegoat when 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.720 she's done anything that the mayor has asked her to do, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.320 it's not going to fix the problem. We're going to 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.440 continue in this until we have either a chief that 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:02.960 works independently of elected officials, or we have a mayor 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.600 that's going to fully support protecting the city. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:06.760 That's the bottom line. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:08.800 Well, we've got a mayor's election, as you well know, 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.760 coming up here in November, and it would seem to 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.440 me that the current mayor have to have Purivo found 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.280 religion about all of this. Along about July when he 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:22.400 came back from his family vacation in Vancouver. And obviously, 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.440 now well, I mean, I mean, let's let's be honest here, 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.160 Purvial is going to get reelected. It may not be 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.119 what the amount of vote that he got the first time. 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.919 He's going to be the mayor here again, unless something 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.800 cataclysmic happens. It's the city of Cincinnati and the entire 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.720 county of Hamilton County have turned blue. But you've you've 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.080 you've hit the problem on the head can and that's judges. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.600 We have a largely Democrat bench in the city of Cincinnati. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.040 You guys, the police, you know exactly who these these 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.720 criminals and these thugs are, and so they bring you, 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.520 You bring them in. Maybe they stay in jail for 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.040 a while, maybe they get bailed out, maybe bond is 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.840 said at an increasingly low level. We've seen that this 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.000 summer as well. And then they go through the prosecutorial 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.520 process and they're prosecuted, and they wind up in front 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.720 of a judge, and the judge wants to be crusader 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.400 rabbit and turn a criminal back out on the street 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.960 because we want to rehabilitate the criminal. And then tomorrow 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.640 it's rinse and repeat. There's the problem, is it not? 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.440 Oh, without a doubt, I was told yesterday and this 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:27.599 is an absolute staggering fact. There are four people that 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.000 are under indictment for murder right now that are walking 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:30.919 around our communities. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:35.280 They're out on EMU. They murder and they're out. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.160 Yeah, that's just given the current makeup of the bench 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.960 in Hamlin County. It does not surprise me because there 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:47.400 is a there is a philosophical belief that everybody should 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.800 be rehabilitated. No, their ass should be thrown in jail. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.000 Just like these two nutballs that went through Fountain Square 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.400 a couple of nights ago, shooting it up and shooting 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.960 at innocent people in a restaurant ought to be in jail. 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.360 I know you're still looking for a couple of them, 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.680 or one of them at least, but you got I mean, 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.880 if the video is there, the gun is there, the 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:10.960 gun is tied to the guy, the guy needs to 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.599 be put in jail. But we both know what's going 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:14.359 to happen, don't we. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:15.479 Yeah. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.839 Well, two of the people involved in that. One was 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:22.280 out on bond for an aggravated robbery. Another person involved 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.520 was just recently placed on community control or probation, if 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.719 you will, for a pistol whipping offense that occurred earlier 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.920 this year. So it's no surprise that these things are happening. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.960 It's no surprise that it's going to continue to happen 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.880 until we decide and these judges decide that they're going 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.680 to lock up these people that are continuing to commit 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.200 violent crime. And part of that is we have an election. 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.360 Know who the candidates are, know who the candidates that 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.080 support law and order. Get those judges in office, and 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:56.240 maybe we'll see a change. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:56.560 Yeah. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.600 Yeah, I know a little bit about this, not a lot, 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.680 but certainly I know a little bit about this. The 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.600 recidivism rate is extremely high, and one would guess that 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.320 there are people right now that you and your fellow 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.400 officers see on a daily basis, and you know it's 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.120 just a matter of time before they do something again. Everybody, 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.200 not all of these people that can make crimes, but 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.479 a large number, you know, are just going to be 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.240 right back at it the minute they get out of 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.560 jail or the minute they're turned loose into the community. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:24.919 You know these people are, don't. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.320 You, absolutely? And that's just it. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.679 I mean, you've got a community of three hundred thousand 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.840 people and you might have five hundred to one thousand. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:34.760 I mean, think about that. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.880 Five hundred to one thousand of people are driving all 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:39.600 of the crime in this city, and the number might 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:40.400 actually be lower. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:41.760 But when you look at that. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.279 From the perspective, there's three hundred thousand people in this city. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.760 That's a low number. So why are we not finding 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.640 those people and keeping them locked up? Because they're finding them. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.840 The comps are doing a fantastic job. You go back 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.680 to the Fountain Square. You know that they had two 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.719 shootings in two weeks and they've made these arrests, They've 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.039 recovered the guns. It's not the police that aren't doing 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.640 their job. The judges have got to step up. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.200 Is theg popular inside the rank and file. I know 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:12.679 there's this this lawsuit involving officer Tony Nash twenty twenty 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.200 four lawsuit. The judge throughout half of the half of 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.240 the charges I guess it was late August, but four 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.080 of them were allowed to go forward. You had what, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.080 you know, the terrible thing that that happened in over 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:31.160 the Rhine with the shooting of Heninger. I'm just I'm 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.520 just wondering is she popular with her with her rank 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:36.000 and file. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.600 Well, to be honest, it depends on how to ask. 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.600 I mean, there are certainly people in this department that 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.080 don't agree with things she's done, and there's people that have. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.320 But there is one thing that every officer that I've 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.240 talked to in the last twenty four hours agrees with 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:56.720 is she's getting railroaded, even their officers that don't necessarily 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.920 care for her, that have reached out to me and said, listen, 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.160 you know, I'm not the biggest fan of hers, but 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:03.160 this is ridiculous. 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:04.120 She's getting railroaded. 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.280 She's nothing but a political pond, and that's one thing 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:07.160 everybody agrees on. 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.240 Well, it looks like she's I mean, look, if they 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:14.160 hauled her back from a conference in Denver overnight and 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.640 they're trying to negotiate her way out, you know, to 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.520 avoid litigation, she's gone. It's just a matter of when. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.360 This is an open ended question, and I know that 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.280 the answer to it is someone somewhere. But who would 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.400 want to walk into this situation right now and become 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.640 the chief of police in Cincinnati. 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:33.000 Without a doubt? 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:33.480 You know? 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.760 And the travesty of all this is the men and 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.400 women that still go out every day and put this 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.719 uniform on amidst all this chaos that's going on at 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.199 City Hall and a chaos that's going on with the 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:45.760 command staff dealing. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:46.240 With the chief. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.480 They still go out every day, they put their uniform 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.520 on and they're dealing with this. You know, those are 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.640 the people that should be giving all of the credit 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.720 in the world that amidst all of this nonsense, they're 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.320 still going out and protecting the city. But to your point, 0:08:58.320 --> 0:08:59.599 who would want to do it? Who would want to 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.520 step in I deal with this, with this mess that's 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:02.360 going on right now? 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.640 Well that's it. It looks like that we all know 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.360 city Council, regardless of the makeup of it, has been 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.480 dysfunctional as long as I've been in town, and I've 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.400 been in town on and all for the last forty 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.520 five years. I mean, there was a time when there 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.319 was some serenity when Charlie Luken was mayor. There seemed 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.120 to be a process where things got done. I think 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.800 he was a guy that got things done. Now it 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.520 just seems like, you know, every time you turn your 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.760 head around, there's somebody making a nitwit statement where the 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.920 mayor goes missing or things like that. So if you're 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.600 the mayor, for example, of Fort Wayne, Indiana, I'm sorry, 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:39.200 the police chief in Fort Wayne, Indiana, or perhaps in Frisco, Texas, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.040 or wherever they may look next, and you're looking at Cincinnati, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.199 you're saying to yourself, do I really want that headache? 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.160 I may wait for the next train to come and 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.040 take me someplace else where. At least I got a 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.600 fighting chance. But you and I both know there are 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.920 probably people inside the rank and file. Somebody that's sitting 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.640 there that's politically motivated inside the force right now would 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.800 probably want to say, yeah, take a shot at this. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.880 I mean there will be somebody right. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:04.360 Yeah, and there. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.840 Believe me, there are more than qualified people. We have 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.560 several people in this department that are capable of running 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.720 a police department. It all comes down to as a 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.559 matter of are they going to be allowed? Are they 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.440 going to be allowed to take this department and run 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.839 it the way they see fit? Are we going to 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.400 continue with what we have right now, which is city 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.240 hall dictating what the chief's going to do. 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.320 All right, that's okay, nothing's going to change. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.400 Yeah, okay, So what is this thing I read on 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.360 Fountain Square we're going to beep up. We're going to 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:36.840 beep up security between two o'clock in the afternoon at 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.959 ten o'clock at night. I mean, I read that the 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.120 other day, and the first thing that struck me was, well, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.319 the criminals can set a wake up call for ten 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.640 thirty at night and they're open for business. What's the 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.880 wisdom behind just a certain finite number of hours every day. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:53.040 Optics? 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.080 Quite honestly, I mean, why you would announce that, I 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.240 don't know, because to your point, okay, well they're going 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:59.160 to be there from two to ten. 0:10:59.760 --> 0:10:59.880 Right. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.560 If I'm going to go cause a ruckus, it's either 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.880 going to be at one o'clock or eleven o'clock. Why 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:05.599 you would announce that. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.480 I have no idea other than the fact that you 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:11.400 want to show that you're doing something, that we're gonna 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:12.560 make this safe and we're doing something. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.840 Here's what we're doing instead of just doing it. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.720 Yeah, I just I mean, I mean, to me, it 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.920 was just it was a foolish thing to do, all right. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:25.960 So the FOP get no confidence vote in pure boll 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.560 back a couple of months ago in August. You know 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:30.400 what we have in town that I we and we 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.600 will have continuing through the course of the fall, in 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.280 the winter, many events in downtown Cincinnati. They put a 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.800 skating rink up on Fountain Square. We have the Bengals 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.240 playing occasionally in primetime football. Well, what do you tell 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.439 of the average person that's going to be driving in, 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.960 perhaps not from Hamilton County, but from Warren County, Butler 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.160 County wherever to watch this game tonight, or anything else 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.640 that might transpire on a nightly basis, daily basis. Helly, 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.840 we got shootings in broad daylight. What would you tell 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:02.480 them about the safety and the security of downtown Cincinnati 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:02.960 right now? 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.560 You better be aware of your surroundings. You better stay 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:08.479 in large groups. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.840 That that is going to minimize your risk of becoming 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.320 a victim. But quite honestly, I would park as close 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.000 to the stadium. I can go to the game and 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.040 then win. It's over, get out of dodge. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.400 Well, if you park, if you pack around Fountain Square 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.920 like tonight's game, it sounds like you better get out 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.920 of there at halftime. I mean if it runs out 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.680 at ten o'clock at night. Man, I ain't walking up 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:36.520 the Fountain Square at ten o'clock at night, would you. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.160 No, But you have to understand, especially a game you know, 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.560 like this obviously Thursday night football, there are going to 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.800 be probably between one hundred one hundred and fifty cops 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.079 somewhere around there that are gonna be working that are 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.280 going to make absolutely every effort to make sure that 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.400 the people that come here are going to be here 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.800 in a safe environment. But with that being said, cops 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.800 can't be everywhere. So like I said, it's it's it's 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.800 gonna hopefully it's going to be a great night in 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.520 Sea Cincinnati, but be aware of your surroundings. And they said, 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.960 as soon as the game's over, I would be certainly 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:08.560 heading back to where I came from. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.080 Ken Cole, I should know this, and I don't. How 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.360 long have you been on the force. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.439 I'm the police department for twenty five years. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.319 Who's the best chief you had? 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:24.240 You know, there's two debates for this. I will tell 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.640 you personally, Chief Striker hired me twice, once as a 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.400 police get at it and once as a police officer, 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.840 so I certainly have a lot of respect for him. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.760 And then we had James Craig, who I'll tell you 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.520 what you ask anybody that's been around when James Craig 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.760 was here, what he brought to Cincinnati in the short 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.439 time that he was here was nothing short of phenomenal. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.719 And it's ironic because he was the chief that was 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.880 the first one that was hired outside of our department, 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.520 and was the first one hired under Issue five, which 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.960 meant that they could essentially try to make a fire 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.640 you for pretty much whatever reason, and the city hall 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.839 could cold what you did. He was here for two 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.560 years and not a day more because he refused to 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.560 cave into city Hall and they got rid of him 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:06.760 for it. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.880 I knew Striker. I knew Craig Striker couldn't work in 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.120 the environment that exists in this town right now as 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.120 a police chief. And Craig wouldn't even look at it. Twice. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.200 I know he got into politics when he went up 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.840 to Michigan, and if that's the step he wants to take, 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.160 great But in this current environment, neither one of those 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.400 two guys would work here. I guarantee you want to 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:26.040 work here. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.680 Right, I mean, you look and we had you Elliot Isaac. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.080 You know, with the environment that he had working, he 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:32.840 did a great job. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.360 Chief Fiji's done a great job with the environment in 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.040 which he has to work in. But these, you know, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.680 the days of Chief Striker being able to run the 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.200 department the way that he saw fit. Those ended when 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.640 he retired and we won't see that again. And that's 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:47.200 the problem. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.560 So you say replacing the chief is not the answer. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.320 There are three options reappeal issue five. So the chief 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.040 isn't under the thumb of an elected official. I'm reading 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.680 your words back to you. Convinced the mayor to allowed 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.600 the chief to do his or her job independently, or 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.000 put a new mayor in Well, I you know, as 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.360 much as I think the Republican side of this would 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.880 love to see Corey Bowman have a chance, I think 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.160 you're now to your top two there, And of those 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.040 top two, what do you think the most likely thing 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.680 to happen is? I think it's neither as what you 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:16.960 don't want to say. But what do you think the 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:18.120 most likely chance is? 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.800 Yeah, I think the more likely thing would be coming 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.040 up with a ballot initiative and get to convince the 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.280 voters that we have got to allow the police chief 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:28.520 to work. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:29.720 There are ways that. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.120 This charter amendment could be could be at least, if 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.920 not repealed, that can be amended. That affords the chief 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.400 some protections to run the department that they see fit. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.120 Yeah, and you know, ultimately what has to happen, you know, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:42.440 you know. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.760 Ken, the answer to all of our questions in life 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.160 is money. And all it's going to take is two 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.040 or three high profile businesses to move out of downtown 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.840 Cincinnati unless they can corral this stuff. And that's going 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.800 to be what is the impetus to change all this stuff? 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.720 Money buys attention, and I think invariably, unless this thing 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.120 is corralled, you're going to get that. You'll get two 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.880 or three high profile businesses move out, and then all 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.360 of a sudden people will start getting religion on this stuff. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:09.600 That's the way it works, isn't it. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:10.800 Yeah? 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:11.320 Absolutely. 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:12.680 That's a sad part is because I don't want to 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.560 see any business leaf. I want to see this place thrive. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.640 But you know something has to change. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.640 Well, Ken Kober, we always appreciate you having you on. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.360 We'll see who you're cheap is by sundown tonight. My 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.720 guess is it won't be Teresa Thiji. It may not 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:28.880 be anyone for a while. We'll see. But for your 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.320 time today. We certainly appreciate it. You stay well, okay. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.120 Yep, you as well, thanks for having me. 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:39.560 You bet, it is a mess. And let me just 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.880 think of that. If you're Thiji, you go to Denver, 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.560 You're with all of your peers out there, and all 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.000 of a sudden you're yanked back into town. And now, 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.360 if you're going to do that to somebody, why don't 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:55.160 you just do that before they leave? So you've got 0:16:55.200 --> 0:17:00.120 embarrassment on top of what sounds like problems with the 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.840 rank and file of the cops. But we have Monday 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:08.280 Night Football Tonight twelve twenty four News Radio seven hundred 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:15.639 w WELWH thirty seven News Radio seven hundred WLW, The 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.160 Average American in for the Great American on this Thursday 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.960 on the show today coming up one oh six. This 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.840 peace plan that the President negotiated with all these other countries, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.320 how long do you think it's going to take before 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.320 Hamas turns that thing upside down? They've already kind of 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.399 done that. But to my knowledge, Hamas is still armed, 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.520 So I ain't going to disarm Hamas well. Have somebody 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.800 who is well noted, well spoken, and someone who has 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:51.159 studied Middle East tensions and settlements for decades joined us. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.600 At one O six, two o six, Charlie Kirk's widow 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.840 got the Medal of Freedom that President Trump handed out 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:02.040 yesterday or it was yester two days for her husband, 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:06.240 the late Charlie Kirk. And there is someone who believes 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:10.359 that there are parallels between the assassination of Charlie Kirk 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:17.159 and the assassination of former President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. And 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.359 he has a theory as to why each one of 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.520 those happened and how they're intertwined. We'll get to that 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.399 at two of six. All kinds of stuff on the 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:30.000 show today, and yes there is Monday Night football tonight. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.760 This is a battle of old guys. I love old 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.439 guys when they engage in battle gladiators. I think the 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.800 combined age of Joe Flacco and Aaron Rodgers or something 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.399 like eighty one eighty two years old. Flacco was talking 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.040 about that this week with the media about just how 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.560 this is one for the aged. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.240