Speaker 1: And welcome to the Nightcap.
Speaker 2: The new fall season continues night number two getting underway.
Speaker 2: I'm Gary Jeff Walker, and you're tuned into seven hundred
Speaker 2: WLW and tonight, as we begin, I'm reflecting on what
Speaker 2: happened two years ago in the country of Israel. Can
Speaker 2: you imagine your son, or your daughter, or your grandchildren
Speaker 2: at a music festival, now pick one Bonnaroo, enjoying a
Speaker 2: beautiful day, enjoying the music that they like to listen to,
Speaker 2: enjoying each other's company, and taking a break from the
Speaker 2: rest of this crazy, chaotic world.
Speaker 1: When all of a sudden, out of.
Speaker 2: Nowhere, a band of maraudering mongrels disguised as human beings attack,
Speaker 2: A bloodthirsty attack, a murderous attack.
Speaker 1: Have you forgotten?
Speaker 2: Is it been too long to really keep that in
Speaker 2: the front of your mind? These people, and it's a
Speaker 2: stretch to call them human beings. The Hamas terrorists did
Speaker 2: this in Israel two years ago today at a music festival,
Speaker 2: and along the way they took hostages. The ones that
Speaker 2: they didn't kill, some two hundred and fifty people were
Speaker 2: taken captive and taken into enemy territory i e.
Speaker 1: The Gaza Strip, where to this.
Speaker 2: Moment there were still at least twenty who were alive
Speaker 2: who were still being held by these mongrels disguised as
Speaker 2: human beings known as Hamas terrorists.
Speaker 1: It's been two years.
Speaker 2: If it had been two days, it would have been
Speaker 2: too long that they've been allowed to carry on this
Speaker 2: murderous mayhem.
Speaker 1: It is time for that to end.
Speaker 2: It is time for the hostages to be returned, both
Speaker 2: the living and the dead, and it is time for
Speaker 2: people of common human decency to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: this wasn't Israel's fault, and whatever Israel needs to do
Speaker 2: now to eradicate Hamas from the face of the earth
Speaker 2: needs to be done. Will they lay down their weapons?
Speaker 2: Will they return the hostages? Who knows their cowards disguised
Speaker 2: as freedom fighters has nothing to do with the Palestinian people,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, they call themselves that
Speaker 2: we will for the sake of again civility two years
Speaker 2: ago today and it's still going on. It looks like
Speaker 2: there's hope of an end in sight, and hopefully it's
Speaker 2: a peaceful one. But if Israel needs to do something
Speaker 2: that's not peaceful to finally complete this job, and get
Speaker 2: rid of this scourge not only on the Middle East
Speaker 2: but the world hamas so be it food for thought,
Speaker 2: don't eat too much.
Speaker 1: Got a good show tonight.
Speaker 2: We'll be talking with Bob Rob here in a minute
Speaker 2: from the East Fork region of the Kowanas Club about
Speaker 2: the Fields of Honor that they are undertaking again in
Speaker 2: November and how you can participate. Dave Hadner Morrow of
Speaker 2: the John Birch Society, Judd Dunning will be here, Doctor
Speaker 2: Carol Lieberman, America's psychiatrist, Ryan Wood, Lady Maga USA, Michael
Speaker 2: Letts from Invest USA, and the fur Ball All before
Speaker 2: midnight sit Back Liz gets started, we'll talk to Bob
Speaker 2: Rob coming up next on the nightcap on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the top of the show, Bob
Speaker 2: Rob is joining us. He is with the East Fork
Speaker 2: East Fork region of the Kawanas Club, which I'm not
Speaker 2: exactly sure where that is, and I'm sure he'll instruct
Speaker 2: me in just a moment as we get started, but
Speaker 2: we're talking about the Fields of Honor and again this year,
Speaker 2: this effort puts American flags up to honor our veterans
Speaker 2: and our fallen and I think it's a fantastic thing
Speaker 2: and they could use your help. So out any more
Speaker 2: on my part, let's talk to the man himself, Bob, Rob,
Speaker 2: Good evening, Bob.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 3: I am just fine. How are you today?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 2: So tell me the Kawanas Club of the East Fork Region.
Speaker 2: Where exactly is that?
Speaker 4: Well, the club serves a broad area of eastern Claremont County,
Speaker 4: primarily surrounding the East Fork State Park. Cool and when
Speaker 4: the club was formed six years ago, there was a
Speaker 4: lot of discussion of how do we call ourselves, and
Speaker 4: since we had members from the communities surrounding the park,
Speaker 4: the decision was made to officially title our club the
Speaker 4: Kawanas Club of e Fork Region. And we have members
Speaker 4: from Batavia, the Amelia area, Williamsburg, the New Richmond, Owensville, Williamsburg.
Speaker 4: I think I said, all around around the park.
Speaker 2: How long have you been involved with the Fields of
Speaker 2: Honor ever since your inception as a club?
Speaker 4: Well, not quite, not quite. Our club actually formed right
Speaker 4: at the right before COVID, and of course that first
Speaker 4: year was tough for everyone and we managed to work
Speaker 4: through that. We became aware of the Fields of Honor program,
Speaker 4: which is a function of the Colonial Flag Foundation out
Speaker 4: of Sandy, Utah.
Speaker 5: About five years ago.
Speaker 4: This this will be our fifth year doing Fields of.
Speaker 3: Honor in Claremont County.
Speaker 2: All right, fantastic, Now the effort starts, actually, tell me
Speaker 2: the first of November. November first, right, is when you will.
Speaker 4: Will officially open our Fields of Honor on November first
Speaker 4: this year, with opening ceremonies beginning at eight thirty.
Speaker 3: In the morning on Saturday.
Speaker 4: And we go sequentially from one field to the next
Speaker 4: and repeat the opening ceremonies four times during that Saturday.
Speaker 4: So we have fields in Batavia, in Union Township, in Bethel,
Speaker 4: and at Williamsburg. So at eight thirty at Bethel, ten o'clock,
Speaker 4: Union Township, Bethel is eleven thirty am, and then Williamsburg
Speaker 4: is at one am, one.
Speaker 1: Pm, one pm.
Speaker 4: And then the flag. The flags will fly throughout the
Speaker 4: month of November. We take them down on the first
Speaker 4: of December.
Speaker 2: It's such a wonderful tribute to those who have given
Speaker 2: their all for our country and for that flag.
Speaker 1: Bob.
Speaker 2: For people who've never experienced it or don't know about
Speaker 2: Fields of Honor, can you explain a little bit more
Speaker 2: of what you do. You just mentioned putting up the
Speaker 2: American flags and letting them fly at these separate fields
Speaker 2: in your region. But this is a nationwide effort, and
Speaker 2: just give us a little bit more background behind Fields
Speaker 2: of Honor and what it means.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Fields of Honor started with the Colonial Flag Foundation, as
Speaker 4: I mentioned, immediately following the events of nine to eleven
Speaker 4: many years ago, and in Sandy, Utah, they actually do
Speaker 4: a nine.
Speaker 3: To eleven Fields of Honor.
Speaker 4: I think they call it Fields of Healing where they
Speaker 4: fly one American flag for every person that lost their
Speaker 4: life on nine to eleven at one location. So just
Speaker 4: imagine thousands of full sized American flags on flagpoles.
Speaker 3: It's awesome.
Speaker 4: We became aware of this program, like I said, some
Speaker 4: years ago, and we thought that it would be really important.
Speaker 3: To show some tribute to.
Speaker 4: Those folks in Claremont County who have served our nation
Speaker 4: as members of the armed forces or as first responders
Speaker 4: actually serving within our communities. They should not necessarily be
Speaker 4: play second fiddle, if you will, to our military veterans,
Speaker 4: because they're just as important and in many cases more
Speaker 4: important than our military. We started this with the whole
Speaker 4: idea of just doing a display of American flags to
Speaker 4: honor them during the month of November. Of course, Veterans
Speaker 4: Day falls within November, and it's a fitting time, that's correct.
Speaker 4: It's a fitting time to honor members of our armed
Speaker 4: forces and veterans, those that had served or who are serving,
Speaker 4: and also the first responder. So we picked that particular
Speaker 4: month to do our fields of honor. And then, of
Speaker 4: course the big question was, because our service area is
Speaker 4: fairly large, what community do we place it in? And
Speaker 4: we quickly came to the realization that we couldn't limit
Speaker 4: it just to one location, and that's how we ended
Speaker 4: up doing four and in each of these locations on
Speaker 4: November first, if you visit those fields, you will see
Speaker 4: you about one hundred and twenty five flags in each location.
Speaker 3: To honor those that have served.
Speaker 4: We also give the public an opportunity to maybe bring
Speaker 4: the whole situation a little bit closer to themselves by
Speaker 4: dedicating a flag to a veteran or to a first responder,
Speaker 4: maybe a family member, a neighbor, a coworker, somebody that
Speaker 4: know that they knew that maybe is no longer with us.
Speaker 4: I know that personally, I honor a flag for my
Speaker 4: dad's service during World War Two, and he has passed
Speaker 4: on many years ago. But without him and a bunch
Speaker 4: of his friends, our world would be a whole lot
Speaker 4: different today.
Speaker 2: We'd be speaking German or Japanese, and we certainly wouldn't
Speaker 2: enjoy the freedoms that allow us to honor them like
Speaker 2: you guys are doing there with the Kawana's Club.
Speaker 5: You're quite accurate.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: The other thing that I find pretty interesting is that
Speaker 4: Kawana says an organization focuses on helping children, and so
Speaker 4: the question that's often asks, why are we doing these flags?
Speaker 4: How does that help kids? And a personal story is
Speaker 4: when my daughter was very was just born, maybe her
Speaker 4: first year of life, we took her to a we
Speaker 4: went to a Veteran's Day parade in the community in
Speaker 4: which we lived, and my wife said, how do we
Speaker 4: teach our child to experience the meaning of an American
Speaker 4: flag marching past in a parade or listening to the
Speaker 4: national anthem, whether it be on TV or at a ballgame.
Speaker 4: How many people experience the you know, the kind of
Speaker 4: a chill that goes up their spine when that kind
Speaker 4: of event happens, And how do we teach that? And
Speaker 4: and it quickly came to through our minds that we
Speaker 4: need to talk about patriotism. We need to expose our
Speaker 4: children to those kinds of events and then have a
Speaker 4: conversation tell them what it means to serve. And so
Speaker 4: we feel as a quantus club that when we plant
Speaker 4: those flags out in the field of in this day
Speaker 4: or will be putting the flags out October thirty first,
Speaker 4: when we put a flag in the ground on a flagpole,
Speaker 4: we're planting a seed for patriotism and that flag can
Speaker 4: become a conversation starter. Hopefully it does, and many many
Speaker 4: many families between children and parents. Kids might say, Dad,
Speaker 4: what are all those flags doing there? Therefore the conversation
Speaker 4: can begin. Or parents can bring their children out to
Speaker 4: the opening ceremonies on November first and have a conversation.
Speaker 4: Or better yet, if you dedicate a flag to a
Speaker 4: family member, maybe to an uncle or a aunt or
Speaker 4: a grandpa, or you can bring your you can bring
Speaker 4: your child out to that field and you can find
Speaker 4: the dedication tag that will be attached to one of
Speaker 4: the flags, and you can say, this flag is dedicated
Speaker 4: to Grandpa who served during the Vietnam War, or who
Speaker 4: who served maybe as a firefighter or it's a policeman.
Speaker 2: What you're saying is so to the point, Bob, is
Speaker 2: that our kids today are exposed to so many things,
Speaker 2: are indoctrinated against patriotism. In many cases, we've seen time
Speaker 2: the time that they just have no idea what they're
Speaker 2: talking about, especially the ones that are cheering socialism. They
Speaker 2: don't understand what socialism is, but they don't understand what
Speaker 2: it means to be a patriotic American. They don't understand
Speaker 2: what civics are because they're not taught those. So it
Speaker 2: is up to the parents and the grandparents too, as
Speaker 2: you said, teach them and show them and start this conversation.
Speaker 2: And the best place is in the home and in
Speaker 2: the community is certainly not from the government. And there
Speaker 2: are adults right now. There are people who are living
Speaker 2: adult lives twenty one, twenty two years old who weren't
Speaker 2: alive during nine to eleven and have no real reconnection, recollection,
Speaker 2: or connection with what happened on nine to eleven. And
Speaker 2: why this patriotism and this unity among Americans is so
Speaker 2: important for the continuance of the country. So I'm with
Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. If people want to dedicate a flag,
Speaker 2: or if they want to help or volunteer in any way,
Speaker 2: how can they contact you at Kawanas Club of East
Speaker 2: Fork or just come visit with you on November first.
Speaker 4: Well, a good way to do it is to visit
Speaker 4: our website www. East Forkkowanas dot org and there is
Speaker 4: a section there on our landing page about our fields
Speaker 4: of honor. I will give you my phone number, my
Speaker 4: five one three seven three five nine one seven one.
Speaker 4: You can call me, pass along your email address. I
Speaker 4: can email you a dedication form and for a small donation,
Speaker 4: we will create a tag specifically dedicated to a veteran
Speaker 4: that you may know or a first responder that you
Speaker 4: they know that you'd like to honor. You can select
Speaker 4: which which location you'd like that flag, that dedicated flag
Speaker 4: flown in. And that's again in Batavia's out by the
Speaker 4: Sheriff's office on two twenty two Union Township. It's in
Speaker 4: the the on the grounds of the West Claremont High School,
Speaker 4: and in Bethel at the Bethel Tate Middle School, and
Speaker 4: in Williamsburg at the old High School location downtown Williamsburg.
Speaker 2: We're short on time. Give that email real quickly again,
Speaker 2: and we'll at some point we'll do some recount on
Speaker 2: this before it actually occurs.
Speaker 1: What's what's the email?
Speaker 4: W The email you can send it to r Rob
Speaker 4: R r aub at aol dot com on the West,
Speaker 4: and the website is www. Eastpokkuanas dot com.
Speaker 2: All right, Bob Rob, thank you so much. I think
Speaker 2: it's a fantastic effort and I'm happy to let you
Speaker 2: talk about it tonight.
Speaker 1: Take care, thanks much. All right, you got it.
Speaker 2: The Nightcap continues right after News, which is now on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. It is the night half the new
Speaker 2: fall season continues after Reds Baseball. Gary Jeff Walker back
Speaker 2: with you on seven hundred WLW, and in this segment,
Speaker 2: we will have demand behind invest USA helping protect law
Speaker 2: enforcement and standing behind our first responders all the way
Speaker 2: as they have from the very beginning. And a guy
Speaker 2: knows a little bit about law enforcement after a long
Speaker 2: career in it, and what the challenges are the law
Speaker 2: enforcement and we as a public seeking safety are facing
Speaker 2: right now that maybe.
Speaker 1: More dire than you think.
Speaker 2: Michael Letts from invest USA, Good evening and welcome to
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Mike.
Speaker 3: Good to have you back always be with you. It's
Speaker 3: an honor, and thank you so much for the opportunity.
Speaker 2: All right, first, let let's go ahead, get the plug
Speaker 2: for invest USA out of the way, right off the top,
Speaker 2: and then we can talk about some serious issues that
Speaker 2: are more serious than people even know from news reports
Speaker 2: about what is going on in our cities and still
Speaker 2: even in our nation's capital. Michael, but first tell tell
Speaker 2: folks about invest USA and how they might participate.
Speaker 3: Well, I will tell you this to invest USA was
Speaker 3: started with thirty years ago to make sure our officers
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to come home safely to their families,
Speaker 3: that they had necessary ballistic protection i e. Bullouper evets.
Speaker 3: When we first started thirty years ago, fifty two percent
Speaker 3: of cops had no VEST. Period, got that down to
Speaker 3: nineteen percent. And then, of course the cartels from the
Speaker 3: open border situation all began to use not just handguns
Speaker 3: but long range rifles to complete their various activities. So
Speaker 3: we had to stop with great new technology called ackers
Speaker 3: shooter this that are stopped both a handgun analog range trifle. Unfortunately, Gary,
Speaker 3: ninety of cops across the country do not have this
Speaker 3: necessary equivalent to say their own lives. It strug me
Speaker 3: as I watched officers rushing into the actors shooter that
Speaker 3: we had at the Catholic church in the Midwest, just
Speaker 3: all over the place. They're running in wearing the old
Speaker 3: concealable vest. It's all they have. Realizing that the call
Speaker 3: came out for an actors shooter. He hasn't killed himself.
Speaker 3: They could be a big trouble, but you have to
Speaker 3: share willing to put their lives on the line to
Speaker 3: defend and protect you and I every day, and that's
Speaker 3: certainly what American hero is all about.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the number one thing that you've
Speaker 2: seen it maybe in movies or police shows, but it
Speaker 2: happens in actual precincts all around the country every day.
Speaker 2: At the morning call the sergeant, you know, the last
Speaker 2: words he says is come home safe. And that's what
Speaker 2: your focus is with invest USA, is that they come
Speaker 2: home safe to their families and their homes and live
Speaker 2: to fight the good fight another day.
Speaker 1: Well, Michael, let's.
Speaker 2: Some examples that you say you have you guys have
Speaker 2: uncovered of not just the violent rhetoric coming mostly from
Speaker 2: the left places like Antifa and many democrats just falling
Speaker 2: in line because they think that those are their constituents
Speaker 2: and not the rest of the American people, the American public.
Speaker 2: But that the violent rhetoric that has been spouted about
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, about law enforcement, about ice officers, with the
Speaker 2: crackdown and the illegal immigration in this country that is
Speaker 2: going on currently, and the surge of violent crime in
Speaker 2: these Democrat led cities, the violent rhetoric from politicians and
Speaker 2: these other groups is leading to actual violence that we've
Speaker 2: never seen in this country, maybe not not even during
Speaker 2: the Summer of No Love in twenty twenty and going
Speaker 2: back to the Civil War when the country was literally
Speaker 2: torn apart and you know, at longer heads with each other,
Speaker 2: brother against brother and the like. We're seeing violence like
Speaker 2: that now, and you guys have uncovered some incidents that
Speaker 2: maybe aren't widely publicized.
Speaker 1: Tell me about some.
Speaker 3: Of that, right, let me tell you. Let's give a
Speaker 3: quick overview. Gary. Of course, the leftist liberals are curious
Speaker 3: that they are out of power. They have lost their
Speaker 3: ability to control, and so they're willing to do anything
Speaker 3: necessary to gain it back. They're so full with hatred
Speaker 3: and bitterness that they've lost power, but they no longer
Speaker 3: have the ability to think we rationally And so how
Speaker 3: did this start out? Well, they were hoping, course of all,
Speaker 3: they can't have anything favorable for the Trump administration because
Speaker 3: that impedes their ability to gain power back. So initially
Speaker 3: they thought, hey, we've got a great cause here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's trying to reduce crime. They know that he accomplishes that.
Speaker 3: That's certainly a big plus for Republicans, so they don't
Speaker 3: want that to happen. But they figured out the best
Speaker 3: way to counter that was just to say, well, he's
Speaker 3: been an authoritarian dictator. They're using people's rights coming in,
Speaker 3: taking small kids off the street, taking poor innocent immigrants
Speaker 3: who were trying to make a better way of life,
Speaker 3: and hoping that just going out and demonstrating and just
Speaker 3: talking about that would change the tide problem that they
Speaker 3: didn't realize the Americans are sick and fed up, but
Speaker 3: having to foot the bill to give them special eventings,
Speaker 3: these illegal immigrants, housing, food, you name it, we're paying
Speaker 3: for it. We can't afford it for our own selves.
Speaker 3: So that just rhetoric didn't work, so they appt it
Speaker 3: up a not so, let's you rhetoric plus a little
Speaker 3: bit of impedible. You're going to stand in the street,
Speaker 3: blocked traffic, et cetera. Well, that didn't help. We've just
Speaker 3: made an American sentiens even matter.
Speaker 4: So then then de side stepping up a step.
Speaker 3: Further, We're going to not just stand on the street,
Speaker 3: We're going to start harassing people, vandalizing property. That didn't work.
Speaker 3: So now they've gone to the next stage. They're actively
Speaker 3: attacking our law enforcement officers. And I guess to where
Speaker 3: we're at today. We just had it over the weekend
Speaker 3: in Chicago, a situation just first time in history. We
Speaker 3: tell you, I'm still in shock at what happened. We
Speaker 3: had thirty Ice agents. They were headed to a facility
Speaker 3: and this is a coordinated attack. They had to members
Speaker 3: use large vehicles to suddenly pull out in front of them,
Speaker 3: block them, and when they blocked their ability to move,
Speaker 3: they box them in. A female Antiphone member with a
Speaker 3: large SUV actually gone to her vehicle and brammed one
Speaker 3: of them the vehicles being used by When she jumped down,
Speaker 3: she had a semi automatic weapon and began to fire
Speaker 3: on them. The call went out Officers in distress, which
Speaker 3: is a universal call, and this is what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: the first time in history, when that call goes out art,
Speaker 3: you drop what you're doing. If I'm writing your ticket,
Speaker 3: you're having a great day because I'm gone. I'm immediately
Speaker 3: headed take care of an officer who's in distress, are
Speaker 3: trying to save a life. The call went out, the
Speaker 3: officers in Chicago PD immediately responded, and as they're radioing
Speaker 3: in their response on the way, suddenly over the radio,
Speaker 3: the Deputy chief issues and a director of stand down.
Speaker 3: We are not going to assist any ice officers or
Speaker 3: any federal officers.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely discussed. What a dereliction of duty that is.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm just a dereliction that dude gave. That's the
Speaker 3: first time in history you're going to tell me that
Speaker 3: we're going to allow officers that are pinned down. So
Speaker 3: what do they do? The thirty officers had jumped out
Speaker 3: and had to pull out their automatic weapons and create
Speaker 3: a perimeter until we can get up somebody else in
Speaker 3: there to get them out for the never been happened
Speaker 3: in history before. As an officer, this call for distress.
Speaker 2: Michael, Michael, this is exactly why President Trump is right
Speaker 2: on the use of National Guard and federal troops going
Speaker 2: into this area. This was actually in Broadview, Illinois, which
Speaker 2: is a suburb of Chicago.
Speaker 1: Correct, where the ICE facility is.
Speaker 2: Okay, But this is exactly why the National Guard needs
Speaker 2: to be allowed. Federal troops need to be allowed into
Speaker 2: there to protect those federal troops and the federal facility
Speaker 2: that is there. That is, and all all the ICE troops,
Speaker 2: all all the ICE personnel are doing are enforcing federal law,
Speaker 2: that all existing federal law. That's all they're doing. And
Speaker 2: they should be able to do that without fear that
Speaker 2: that they're going to be attacked and ambushed in this
Speaker 2: way with.
Speaker 1: No help from the Chicago PD.
Speaker 3: That's that's what's the first time in history, first time
Speaker 3: in history.
Speaker 1: Now to show you.
Speaker 3: How it gets worse scary, and people say, oh, you're
Speaker 3: you're old racket. One time. It's one time. It's now.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about what just happened last night that nobody
Speaker 3: knows about you. It hasn't been reported. I understand that
Speaker 3: Fox News is just not picking up, uh, the reports
Speaker 3: that are coming out the mana Tree media wanted to
Speaker 3: ignore this. We discovered yesterday.
Speaker 2: You're talking about you're talking about you're talking about Sunday Sunday. Yep,
Speaker 2: okay Sunday.
Speaker 3: All right, three three locations in d C. This is
Speaker 3: just DC. Now remember we've done a great job of
Speaker 3: queaning on d C. Yeah, three locations.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: One was a location uh and a church in the
Speaker 3: northern part of d C. The Catholic Church who were
Speaker 3: preparing for a red mask. What is a red mask.
Speaker 3: It's a thing that they do for your use who
Speaker 3: are part of the Catholicism or Catholic Church old and
Speaker 3: annual in October the seventh Day, to remember the massacres
Speaker 3: that occurred and to pray for peace. And so they
Speaker 3: have tents that you know, people set up got in
Speaker 3: front of the church because you have large lard crowds. Well,
Speaker 3: they got a call that there was a tenth that
Speaker 3: they didn't recognize. So the MPO went over there and said, hey,
Speaker 3: where's your digit's license? Was your think? He got combative,
Speaker 3: so they had to arrest it. When they searched the tenth,
Speaker 3: they found four and senatory ied explosive devices there down
Speaker 3: the street. This is close down to the White House.
Speaker 3: I think it's called Saint Constantine's a Catholic church. They
Speaker 3: got a Kip went there.
Speaker 6: Four more.
Speaker 3: They went to the fire station that's beyond hind the
Speaker 3: White House in that district. Four more. Now, let me
Speaker 3: explain to you that you listen to what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: We're talking about incendiary and explosive devices. We're not talking
Speaker 3: about something that gives somebody a second degree burn on
Speaker 3: the forum. And that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not We're not talking about we're not talking
Speaker 2: about Antifa or these pro Hamas protesters firing fireworks. These
Speaker 2: are actual bombs that were used against our troops in
Speaker 2: Afghanistan and Iraq.
Speaker 3: That is correct, And they will take out hundreds, They
Speaker 3: will take out the entire church in half of the
Speaker 3: block with it. So we're talking about now this thing
Speaker 3: is escalated where they're looking to do major terrorist attacks.
Speaker 5: And this is just in DC.
Speaker 3: You remember we're cleaning up BC. We're concerning now we've
Speaker 3: gottenn intel that they're in the process of looking to
Speaker 3: create additional terist attacks all across the country, stage on
Speaker 3: Rabbits succession, to create panic and fear across the country.
Speaker 3: This issue of hiding behind We're just trying to defend
Speaker 3: poor people who are trying to make a better way
Speaker 3: of life is a bunch of bunk.
Speaker 2: And I can Michael, and I cannot help but believe
Speaker 2: that the four years of an unvetted, unpatrolled border and
Speaker 2: free flow illegal immigration into this country has not fueled this.
Speaker 1: I mean, there.
Speaker 2: Are terror cells all over this country that were let
Speaker 2: in during the Biden administration.
Speaker 1: I know that that's true.
Speaker 3: At least one hundred and twenty that we're aware, possibly more. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they're in a process. Now. We've spent these years
Speaker 3: under the Bidens administration organizing, preparing, mapping out plans. People say, well,
Speaker 3: just go pick them all up. There's what you hear
Speaker 3: a little tuckle in my voice. We're trying to of
Speaker 3: just known forget terrorists, just known criminals that are here illegally.
Speaker 3: You look what we're in kind of of the people
Speaker 3: with a deranged s called the during Trump syndrome that
Speaker 3: would rather have people in this country murder and kill
Speaker 3: their fellow citizens than to have them picked up for
Speaker 3: breaking the law and deported and dealt with acquarding with Well, this.
Speaker 2: Is this is why, this is why President Trump decreed
Speaker 2: by executive order that Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization
Speaker 2: because it fits all of the all of the definitions
Speaker 2: of a terrorist organization, and it should be outlawed. They
Speaker 2: should be arresting they should be arresting Antifa members in
Speaker 2: this country simply for being members of Antifa. It's a
Speaker 2: terrorist organization, period, end of story. And Black Lives Matter
Speaker 2: isn't far behind.
Speaker 3: You're exactly right, You're nor is trendy EDUA. They've already
Speaker 3: been declared as a domestic organization enemy combatants as well
Speaker 3: as the cartels. And here's what it's so frustrating. The
Speaker 3: Tenth Amendment clearly has two provisions that military course is
Speaker 3: authorized on American soil. Would you either have a national
Speaker 3: emergency as declared by the president is sole discretion for
Speaker 3: whatever he feels like that is that has emergency, or
Speaker 3: there are enemy combatants on American soil. Imagine the ludicrocy
Speaker 3: of there are the less argument that in World War Two,
Speaker 3: had we had Nazi German shoulders or the Empire of
Speaker 3: Japan's soldiers on American soil, but we said, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you know they're on American soil, so we can't have
Speaker 3: American troops do anything because American troops are not allowed
Speaker 3: on American soil. And it's just ludicrous their thought. They're
Speaker 3: trying their activist judges. They're simply trying to delay the
Speaker 3: justice that needs to come. And unfortunately, why they're trying
Speaker 3: to delay the justice, they are putting Americans at risk,
Speaker 3: and I think they should be old accountable court.
Speaker 2: The federal government, according to the Constitution, has to clear
Speaker 2: two clear responsibilities. It's spelled out in words that can't
Speaker 2: be misinterpreted by anyone. To provide for the common defense
Speaker 2: and to promote the general welfare. How do you promote
Speaker 2: the general welfare by letting crime run rampant across your
Speaker 2: cities and let these foreign combatants control and in Trendy
Speaker 2: Aragra controlling entire apartment complexes where they just took them over.
Speaker 2: That is not promoting the general welfare. That is not
Speaker 2: providing for the common defense, the two main charges of
Speaker 2: government in a constitutional republic. And if Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: trying to provide for the common defense, and we need
Speaker 2: our American military on American streets, so be it.
Speaker 1: I say, you.
Speaker 3: Say, oh, you're exactly right. There's no question you're right there.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I'm proud of in this
Speaker 3: administration is the president he is trying to be proactive,
Speaker 3: not just reactive. When we're talking about providing for the
Speaker 3: common defense. He has told the cartels so you remember
Speaker 3: now we were at war with them, they are enemy combatants.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Not only are we're going to clean it up on
Speaker 3: American soirow, We're going to go to the source. That's
Speaker 3: why we have a naval fleet off the coast of Venezuela,
Speaker 3: who yesterday I believe it was sunking out of the
Speaker 3: fourth Yep. Ye, they have something that are full of
Speaker 3: the shifts are full of drugs, ordinances and gang members
Speaker 3: from trend Gouda. We've made it very clear you're not
Speaker 3: welcome in this country and we're going to sit them
Speaker 3: to the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 2: I have lots of sympathy for those murderous bastards. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you that right now.
Speaker 1: Michael, lets invest USA.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time once again, sir,
Speaker 2: and we'll we'll speak again soon and hopefully it'll be
Speaker 2: a little bit more positive.
Speaker 1: The next time we do.
Speaker 3: Well, we are going to win at some point. We'll
Speaker 3: have that conversation at some point. Don till then. We're
Speaker 3: going to make sure Americans are safe and secure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. God bless you, sir. Thank you so much. Michael.
Speaker 2: Lets as we continue on this nightcap on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: It is the nightcap.
Speaker 2: As we roll along on this Tuesday evening on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW, Garry Jeff with our old friend Judd Dunning,
Speaker 2: the host of Unapologetic, the man who wrote the book
Speaker 2: Eleven and a half Reasons Not to Be a Liberal.
Speaker 2: And he's a businessman, very successful guy, and he has
Speaker 2: some fantastic takes on the politic of America and just
Speaker 2: what it means to be American and to preserve this
Speaker 2: great constitutional republic in which we live. And one of
Speaker 2: the things that we will be talking about is Pete
Speaker 2: Hagseath as the new Secretary of War, the Department of War,
Speaker 2: and the rebirth of the American warrior in the Armed Services.
Speaker 1: But jud Dunning, welcome to the show. How are you ah?
Speaker 5: Great to be back, my man. God bless America. Yeah,
Speaker 5: every day, every day, I'm as happy as they choose
Speaker 5: to be, Buddy. That's that's America.
Speaker 2: I love I love this piece that you sent me
Speaker 2: this morning. The American Warrior reborn, America's new War Department
Speaker 2: under Pete hag Seth is winning. And you're referring, of
Speaker 2: course to the speech to our military that Pete hag
Speaker 2: Seth gave in accordance with Donald Trump's calling all of
Speaker 2: the admirals and generals together about a week week and
Speaker 2: a half, go uh to you know, just kind of
Speaker 2: set the record straight about what the armed services is,
Speaker 2: about how important they are to defending freedom and keeping
Speaker 2: this country alive and thriving, and how we have you know,
Speaker 2: more peace through strength. And they are they are absolutely
Speaker 2: focusing the president and the new Secretary Pete Hegseth on
Speaker 2: strength in the military overwolkeness.
Speaker 1: Are they not?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? You know, look, Trump's whole thing, make America great
Speaker 5: Great is the hate crime of the decade, right Baxism.
Speaker 5: Trump is in vaxis trump racism and climatism. Like if
Speaker 5: they can split you, they can break you down, right,
Speaker 5: and then they can shame you. And then they basically say, oh,
Speaker 5: you don't want to be great, you don't want to shine,
Speaker 5: you don't want to be excellent because that's unfair to
Speaker 5: someone else. You know, there's no saky net, no celiing America.
Speaker 5: But communism socialism thrived where everybody is beat down, tired,
Speaker 5: and things seem to be fair, and so here we go.
Speaker 5: There were two moments. There was when Obama was in
Speaker 5: front of the UN and he apologized for our American racist,
Speaker 5: beat down society. Trump was there and he said, hey,
Speaker 5: it's okay to be great. His whole theme is American excellency.
Speaker 5: But what we've got is this homogeneous EU apologism going
Speaker 5: through all of the military. And there the Trump train
Speaker 5: came to the military. You know, they're not civilians, and
Speaker 5: right there he's claiming for great excellence. You know, I
Speaker 5: think that was the key. It was another element of
Speaker 5: his success. You know, our culture is slowly clawing itself back.
Speaker 5: We're getting vigilant strength back to you know, protect ourselves.
Speaker 5: You know this this, you know it's great. I used
Speaker 5: in my article. I used Matthew five fourteen sixteen. You
Speaker 5: ye are the light of the world. The city said
Speaker 5: on a hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light
Speaker 5: a candle and put it under a bushel, but on
Speaker 5: a candlestick and give it light unto those that are
Speaker 5: in the house. So let your line shine before men.
Speaker 5: And that's America. And so we brought it to the
Speaker 5: military with headsets, and I think that was a that
Speaker 5: was the most important thing is we took a piece
Speaker 5: of society, We cut a piece of pie, and we said, hey,
Speaker 5: this is now outside the politically correct digression, the long game,
Speaker 5: the long march of cultural Marxists on our society. It
Speaker 5: will not be you know, the EI. It was a
Speaker 5: great moment. I think that was what was most important.
Speaker 5: And especially following the tragedy and the lawlessness of the
Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk moment and all the hate that we saw,
Speaker 5: just great timing for our society.
Speaker 1: Oh, I absolutely agree.
Speaker 2: And I love how Pete Eggseth has emphasized bringing back
Speaker 2: the American warrior and having a warrior ethos in that department,
Speaker 2: because through that strength you are guaranteed to at least
Speaker 2: project peace and spread peace in that way. It's a
Speaker 2: wonderful dichotomy when it comes to, you know. And I
Speaker 2: love the fact that you did include the verse from
Speaker 2: the verses from Matthew in your piece, because while Pete
Speaker 2: Hegseth and the President are insisting that the warriors put
Speaker 2: on their battle gear, Christians, you know, in the wake
Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk and the rest need to put on
Speaker 2: our spiritual battle gear, you know, and you know the
Speaker 2: verses that I'm talking about, Jud, we need we need
Speaker 2: to put on our spiritual our.
Speaker 1: You know, and our sword and shield, our sword and shield.
Speaker 2: And you know what the pastor of the church we
Speaker 2: go to just this past Sunday was talking about putting
Speaker 2: on the shoes.
Speaker 1: Of the Gospel of peace.
Speaker 2: Your your your footwear, your entitled battle gear as a
Speaker 2: Christian are are important to surviving the spiritual battles that
Speaker 2: are going on and are likewise, our American warriors need
Speaker 2: to have the battle gear that they need for the
Speaker 2: battles that they face. It's it's amazing. It's an amazing time,
Speaker 2: and it's an amazing thing. Good, great and amazing things
Speaker 2: deserve to be protected fiercely.
Speaker 1: You right, I'm talking to jud Dunning on the Nightcap.
Speaker 5: And then they did it with the Navy right afterwards
Speaker 5: and they were complete. So you know, it's interesting. I
Speaker 5: heard I think it was Bill Maher saying, you know,
Speaker 5: are we do we have creeping fascism are suddenly on
Speaker 5: the streets in Memphis and Chicago and uh, you know
Speaker 5: Portland where we're going to to stop crime. I'm in
Speaker 5: I'm in Los Angeles and Texas. Uh, Los Angeles by friendship,
Speaker 5: Texas by you know, taxes and rationality, like I go back,
Speaker 5: you know, and uh, but I also I love the
Speaker 5: ethos down but I do I do have to say,
Speaker 5: you know, the culture of Badangas really dynamics a lot
Speaker 5: of real, real foreign thinkers out here too. And besides
Speaker 5: all the problems, but you know they're saying, oh, well,
Speaker 5: Trump's militarism is actually fascism, and he's slowly setting himself
Speaker 5: up this sort of sat on the air to take
Speaker 5: over the next election cycle. I was like, have you
Speaker 5: looked at Trump? You guys have beaten him down on
Speaker 5: so hard. Yeah, he's gonna punch out and leave a
Speaker 5: successful behind him. I mean, you know, ninety one million
Speaker 5: dollars fine to asops the nation against two a peachment's
Speaker 5: forty one lawsuits, right, I mean, the guys, the guy's
Speaker 5: doing a great job. But it's not militarism that he's
Speaker 5: putting up. He's just putting up moral absolutism. We have
Speaker 5: a jujeo Christian society based on good is good, bad
Speaker 5: as bad. You know, that is why we are the
Speaker 5: reluctant superpower of the world. It's not peace. As a
Speaker 5: reluctant superpower, anybody was to be in charge in this
Speaker 5: broken world. We didn't ask to be the global sheriff.
Speaker 5: We inherited the badge when Europe's empires collapsed, you know,
Speaker 5: And that's that's Americans peace through Shank. But in order
Speaker 5: to do it right now, there's a really hard, evil,
Speaker 5: militaristic world with a lot of oligarchies, a lot of dictatorships,
Speaker 5: and a lot of oppressive regimes. We have to be
Speaker 5: stronger than ever. And I loved I loved how in
Speaker 5: depth he went into how dominant we are in the
Speaker 5: military space, and we could conquer so many people. We're
Speaker 5: not interested, you know, We're not interested. So it's great.
Speaker 2: We want to thrive. We want to live in peace,
Speaker 2: and we want the other countries of the world to
Speaker 2: live in peace. Jud we want them to thrive. President
Speaker 2: Trump has said that over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: I want them to do well, because when they do well,
Speaker 2: the whole world can do well and not be threatened
Speaker 2: by this specter of war constantly. But you have to
Speaker 2: be prepared if war happens, and you have to be
Speaker 2: strong enough to face those challenges and those despots and
Speaker 2: those oligarchies around the world. You're absolutely one hundred percent
Speaker 2: right on target with that. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 2: to just you're taken a couple of other things that
Speaker 2: have been going on, and this just was announced yesterday
Speaker 2: by the Department of Justice and things that have been found.
Speaker 2: I think it was either cash matel or Dan Bongino
Speaker 2: has found that the Biden Department of Justice was doing
Speaker 2: covert investigations on eight lawmakers as late as twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: revolving around January sixth. But they were looking at their
Speaker 2: phone records and you know, doing a bunch of really
Speaker 2: illegal things like they did to American citizens that Catholic
Speaker 2: parents who complained at school boards about trans and story
Speaker 2: time and all the things their kids were being subjected
Speaker 2: to against their will and against their beliefs. And they
Speaker 2: were doing that to these senators, and like Josh Holly said, look,
Speaker 2: if they can do it to us, they can do
Speaker 2: it to any American citizen. And there's evidence that they did.
Speaker 2: Ninety two different conservative organizations were being spied on by
Speaker 2: the Biden DOJ, including Turning Point USA in the In
Speaker 2: the last couple of years of the Biden administration.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know they had a hearing today in the
Speaker 2: Senate on this and there will be more hearings to come.
Speaker 2: The question is do they really get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of it and do these people get prosecuted for committing
Speaker 2: these crimes against fellow American citizens?
Speaker 1: Your thoughts?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's what the Arctic frost probe
Speaker 5: is about. Right as it relates to the twenty twenty election,
Speaker 5: there was Listen, I stand clear that you know A
Speaker 5: Navey's bragged about it in time, like the launch of
Speaker 5: the COVID crisis was a way to destroy somebody who
Speaker 5: was going to second Reaganesque win and the Left was
Speaker 5: going to be lost. So whether COVID was born in
Speaker 5: a lab or happened in nature, it doesn't matter. It
Speaker 5: was it was captured, weaponized for press draconian and during
Speaker 5: that period of time, I mean, people were drunk on power.
Speaker 5: And if people look at the left right, their home
Speaker 5: modality is it's like, oh, hey, you know, we're going
Speaker 5: to act like we care about the common man, we
Speaker 5: care about the borders, we care about race, we care
Speaker 5: about trends. But really they always use these sub sects
Speaker 5: to elevate power to the top, the communists and the
Speaker 5: socialistic cultural Marxism of hard leftism, the six percent of
Speaker 5: our country that has captured thirty four percent of good
Speaker 5: old fashioned Democrats. They're deferently on the march and they
Speaker 5: definitely don't have morally that moral absolutism, and you look
Speaker 5: through their entire ethos. I mean, it was war for them.
Speaker 5: We were attacking their way of life. And so God's grace,
Speaker 5: Trump got back in and our country has radically reversed
Speaker 5: in the other direction. You know, I talked about this
Speaker 5: in my book. I'm like, I'm not pro Republican forever.
Speaker 5: I'm pro diametric system of government in America. Left right
Speaker 5: left right happens every twelve years. But a broken family
Speaker 5: caulcilifies in one direction and it doesn't go of power. And
Speaker 5: they were doing anything to hold it. And you know what,
Speaker 5: you can see it more than that. Let me ask
Speaker 5: you a question, or any of your listeners. What is
Speaker 5: the left really offered you? What is their platform? What
Speaker 5: is what is what is? What are they offering America?
Speaker 5: There's been nothing for quite some time besides you know,
Speaker 5: shame and beating people down into some kind of like
Speaker 5: level playing field. They haven't offered anything that. It hasn't
Speaker 5: stimulated the economy, it hasn't stimulated family, it hasn't stimulated patriotism.
Speaker 5: There's nothing so other thing of the dog James, absolutely real.
Speaker 5: And I here's the problem though, and I talk about
Speaker 5: this all the time, as I say, they are for
Speaker 5: me is not republicanis rationalists, but I am a Republican.
Speaker 5: Is do we really have a system that will take
Speaker 5: down the corrupt elites? Because above the Democrats, above the Republicans,
Speaker 5: you and I see it frontline every day. There is
Speaker 5: definitively an elite class that it's separated from justice. Can
Speaker 5: Pam Bondie get there? Can Cash Pateel get there? Can
Speaker 5: Trump stand in that way? And will that's try to
Speaker 5: kill him again if he does? Right? I mean that
Speaker 5: are it's pretty bad up there.
Speaker 2: I just talked last night jud to uh And by
Speaker 2: the way, what is the left done for me? Let
Speaker 2: me paraphrase Kamala Harrison the view before the election. You know,
Speaker 2: nothing really comes to mind. But let me also say
Speaker 2: this about what you just your remark you just made
Speaker 2: is that I all I know is what I see
Speaker 2: and what I see I believe with my own eyes.
Speaker 2: But I had an interview last night with a woman
Speaker 2: who's written a book that was based on a diary
Speaker 2: of one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims and called Blue Butterfly.
Speaker 2: It's coming out anyway. This woman was sex traffic for
Speaker 2: two years and when she first met jeffreyin he was
Speaker 2: there with Bill Clinton and Chris Tucker, the comedian actor,
Speaker 2: and Kevin Spacey. But you talk about this elite class
Speaker 2: that seemingly is above the law, above being held to
Speaker 2: any kind of a standard, just exactly what you were
Speaker 2: talking about it and it goes well beyond politics, certainly.
Speaker 2: The other thing was, you know, hamas as used these
Speaker 2: hostages as human shields to protect themselves. And as you
Speaker 2: were talking about the left trying to hold on to
Speaker 2: power and using trans or woke narratives to as a
Speaker 2: as a cause to celeb, they use ideological shields to
Speaker 2: protect themselves and keep them in power. It's the same thing.
Speaker 2: It may not be people, but it is often, but
Speaker 2: it's it's ideas. They use ideas as shields to protect
Speaker 2: themselves and to try and insulate their power. Is that
Speaker 2: is that a good assessment.
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely, I'm a saws or as powerful as humans
Speaker 5: at this point, you know, it could be weaponized, slipped,
Speaker 5: polarized gas lits, and then before anybody can come to consciousness,
Speaker 5: they're worn down and it can move to the next point.
Speaker 5: It sits in people's resonance right. The ideological contamination of
Speaker 5: David Hort said a great on My show. He said,
Speaker 5: they don't have to be organized. He said, the ideas
Speaker 5: are so bad ideologically that they self organize around the
Speaker 5: corruptness that comes out of them because they're so fought.
Speaker 5: So I'm completely aligned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that we've spoken since Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 2: since the assassination and what happened in the aftermath. But
Speaker 2: jud it's amazing what God can do with the most
Speaker 2: dire of situations, and the opposition to turning point USA
Speaker 2: has totally been turned on its seat. It truly was
Speaker 2: a turning point for that organization, but for the entire country.
Speaker 2: I believe in an entire generation of people who understand
Speaker 2: now how precious freedom of speech is, how important it is,
Speaker 2: and it has motivated so many thousands, millions of people
Speaker 2: to start rowing in the right direction.
Speaker 5: I think man, I have to tell you, I just
Speaker 5: want to weep, right. I mean, it is the worst
Speaker 5: thing I've ever seen live in my life, the worst
Speaker 5: thing that I've seen. And I'm fifty nine. I've seen
Speaker 5: some pretty rough stuff, you know. I work in the
Speaker 5: I've been in the recovery community. I mean, I'm going
Speaker 5: to talk about it. You to call me in a
Speaker 5: few months. But our kid was trafficked and we lost
Speaker 5: our kid, and I'm involved in a very powerful group
Speaker 5: of family dependanyl. I've seen the darkness of society. I
Speaker 5: can't talk about all of it because I'm in some
Speaker 5: law cases right now, but very soon please add beyond. Yeah,
Speaker 5: some things have to some justice has to finish. But
Speaker 5: I've seen darkness. That was one of the darkest things
Speaker 5: I've ever seen. And I one of the first posts
Speaker 5: I got on Facebook was was it worth it now? Charlie.
Speaker 5: I was like, Wow, that's what I wrote my article about.
Speaker 5: I'm like, for two hundred and thirty four years, yes,
Speaker 5: you know, the second of them, it is worth it,
Speaker 5: And I'm sure Charlie would agree. And I just took
Speaker 5: the high road and I focused on that. But since then,
Speaker 5: you know what it has exposed and you're naming it.
Speaker 5: You're naming it so beautifully. It has exposed inherent goodness
Speaker 5: because you have this moment. Right, we all go through
Speaker 5: life and it's like the narrative therapy within ourselves. We
Speaker 5: can tell ourselves a reality. I'm saying, you know what,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna focus on what's good about America. I can
Speaker 5: go down. Oh, I hate the left. I hate this.
Speaker 5: Now there are bad people in the good society, and
Speaker 5: the high road really is held by the right. It
Speaker 5: is definitely within our our principles, our conservative principles, conserving
Speaker 5: what is good. It's true all the way back to
Speaker 5: Plato's case deism did Juday of Crystal Lot, to common
Speaker 5: law to the modern day. It's alive and well in
Speaker 5: America and it's flowering. And I think Eric's statement about
Speaker 5: I forget him showing the highest principle was gorgeous. But
Speaker 5: then look at what happened yesterday as you were bringing
Speaker 5: up with Jay Jones. Suddenly, now, if you take a
Speaker 5: more relativistic crowd, Oh, I can rationalize George Floyd like violence.
Speaker 5: I can rationalize a bullet to the head of my opponent.
Speaker 5: There's no people are like oh, it's just another part
Speaker 5: put the modernity and now that we're making it normal.
Speaker 5: It's not normal, No.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: Jud Listen, our time's up, and sadly that's the case.
Speaker 2: But I really appreciate it, and we definitely will communicate
Speaker 2: on down the road, especially when you have some have
Speaker 2: some resolution to what's going on with your family. Thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time tonight. Jud Dunning,
Speaker 2: all right, the host of Unapologetic and our guest on
Speaker 2: the night We continue here. We are at the job
Speaker 2: of another hour of POWA on the Nightcap on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW. Joining us for a few minutes from the
Speaker 2: John Birch Society in Missouri, the one and only Wayne
Speaker 2: Murrow Wayne Morrow rather, Wayne is the CEO of the
Speaker 2: John Birch Society, a nonpartisan civics and education organization that
Speaker 2: endorses the timeless principles of the Declaration of Independence, proclaimed
Speaker 2: that our personal rights come from God, not from government.
Speaker 2: I am a full believer in that, Wayne, So I
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm a member yet of the John
Speaker 2: Bird Society, but I believe I believe your exact principles
Speaker 2: that you're espousing there.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. How are you?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 7: I appreciate it very much, and hopefully by.
Speaker 4: Time we get finished, maybe you'll think about joining up.
Speaker 3: The needs some more patriots in a battle. How's that?
Speaker 2: The only thing I ever knew about the John Birch
Speaker 2: Society is the Charlie Daniels song from the nineteen seventies
Speaker 2: called Rider where he goes.
Speaker 1: I'm a faithful.
Speaker 2: Follower of Brother John Birch, and I belong to the
Speaker 2: Ania Baptist Church. And I even got a garage. You
Speaker 2: can call him and ask my wife. So I mean,
Speaker 2: but people painted the John Birch Society sometimes as a
Speaker 2: racist organization.
Speaker 1: Tell tell me why it's not.
Speaker 7: Well, we never have been, I think was the reason
Speaker 7: why they plastered us with that. You know, let's give
Speaker 7: you a current example. Look at President Trump. He's a fascist,
Speaker 7: He's one of those he's oh yeah, right, yeah right.
Speaker 7: And so the reason why they the smear campaign works
Speaker 7: on anybody in the past is so you don't listen
Speaker 7: to what they have to say. So if you don't
Speaker 7: have the microphone and the mass media, that what happens
Speaker 7: is is that they could say anything they want about you.
Speaker 7: All of a sudden, they deny the truth. And so
Speaker 7: our job was exposing really was happening. And because of this,
Speaker 7: we became a target for them, and then eventually it
Speaker 7: didn't work. So now they ignored it. So now people said,
Speaker 7: are you people still around? Well, the going silent on
Speaker 7: this is part.
Speaker 3: Of the strategy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they've been, they looked, and so that's what we've
Speaker 7: been hard at work, and we're actually growing. And I
Speaker 7: can tell you this. Alex Jones, we bound a show
Speaker 7: and Steve Vann at all he said, you know, you
Speaker 7: guys been right all along. You know you're the ogs.
Speaker 7: We're the ogs, he said, we are, really are.
Speaker 1: That's great, that's great.
Speaker 2: So specifically, we're talking about redistricting around the country and
Speaker 2: and the big controversy came up because Texas was redrawing
Speaker 2: their map and Gavin Newsom in California said, well, we'll
Speaker 2: we'll redraw our maps then, so the Republicans don't have
Speaker 2: a chance to win any more seats in the House,
Speaker 2: and and la la, la la, it goes on and
Speaker 2: on and on. The thing is that was ignored by
Speaker 2: a lot of the mass media in this discussion was
Speaker 2: that the Democrats have been doing this for years.
Speaker 1: They are they are. They are they are the.
Speaker 2: Kings of gerrymandering, of redrawing maps to their advantage. They've
Speaker 2: been doing it all over the country. I don't in
Speaker 2: Massachusetts there is not one congressional seat that's held by
Speaker 2: a Republican I believe, Uh there there's there are several
Speaker 2: states that are like that, aren't, aren't there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, very very much. So that's exactly what happens,
Speaker 7: is that. Uh that's an old trick, you know, and
Speaker 7: and uh, you know, I think you know, you just
Speaker 7: you know, this cuts to both directions. I mean, you know,
Speaker 7: we should be evolved in that process. To say, by
Speaker 7: the way, you have a new congressman. You know why
Speaker 7: that because we decided to change it. You know, helps
Speaker 7: the political parties. But you're exactly right. They've been doing
Speaker 7: that for a long time and now the game has
Speaker 7: been switched against them again. Now they don't like that,
Speaker 7: so now they're belly aching, you know, like, oh it's
Speaker 7: changed this. So you know, I think we make a
Speaker 7: good point. Jerry Manderin has been around for a long time.
Speaker 7: It's nothing new. It depends on who's controlling the pend
Speaker 7: But you know that's not really I look at it
Speaker 7: this way. That's that is to go to the real
Speaker 7: problem we have. Our real problem we have is Americans.
Speaker 7: The Conservatives, I use.
Speaker 3: The MAGA movement.
Speaker 7: They've been complacent because they Trump's in office and they've
Speaker 7: kind of gone on sleep mode.
Speaker 3: And we have an election.
Speaker 7: Coming up because you mentioned it coming up next year,
Speaker 7: which is an important one. And Congress makes the laws.
Speaker 7: Gary they make the laws.
Speaker 3: They always have.
Speaker 7: All those eos that we have stacked up on his
Speaker 7: desk don't mean anything to become lost, so it's nice
Speaker 7: to see them.
Speaker 4: They don't mean anything.
Speaker 7: So I tell an other conversation I had around the country,
Speaker 7: you should act like you lost. You should spend your
Speaker 7: time educating people. We have on our website, the Freedom
Speaker 7: so it's www. Dot Thefreedom index dot org is the
Speaker 7: scorecards for every state legislator, House, and Senate, as well
Speaker 7: as our federal government, and.
Speaker 3: You can see how they vote constitutionally.
Speaker 7: You can print them off and those are powerful tools
Speaker 7: to see how your person's voting. And most people can
Speaker 7: plain about legislatures carry but they aren't many times they
Speaker 7: don't know who they are and how they vote. So
Speaker 7: I said the question, well, you're over the Constitution. You
Speaker 7: don't know who a legislature is. You think, by some magic,
Speaker 7: some constitutional might, a nice guy's going to show up
Speaker 7: or lady and then protect you and uphold the Constitution. Well,
Speaker 7: that's fairy tale. You can't do this.
Speaker 3: You have to get involved.
Speaker 7: But that really was as are really the crux of
Speaker 7: our problem now is complacency igorants of the system.
Speaker 1: Oh listen, Wayne, I live in a state.
Speaker 2: I live in Kentucky, right across the river from Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: live in northern Kentucky. Have a super majority of Republicans
Speaker 2: in the Kentucky House and Senate, And sometimes I think
Speaker 2: that the voters who voted them in are a kind
Speaker 2: of asleep, not staying on those people that are supposedly
Speaker 2: working for them on their behalf in pursuing a continued
Speaker 2: conservative movement and a constitutional movement within this state. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you can have a super majority of Republicans,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean you're going to have a supermajority of
Speaker 2: constitutional people, you know, creating laws in legislation that is
Speaker 2: in accordance with the Constitution, in accordance with what the people.
Speaker 1: Voted them for.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So it depends on it depends on the electorate
Speaker 7: to keep them honest and then at least the conversation going.
Speaker 7: And I'll tell you legislators a state as well as
Speaker 7: federal if they see how you're watching them vote, they
Speaker 7: get serious about thinking about when they pull thet ever,
Speaker 7: are they really voting correctly? So they're concerned about that.
Speaker 7: So we have that tool, and you know, get people
Speaker 7: involved in the process. And it's all about getting your
Speaker 7: local neighbors involved and visit your legislator and say, look,
Speaker 7: you work for us. Are you doing a good job
Speaker 7: defending our country? Are upholding constitution in our state as
Speaker 7: well as our federal government. Our states are really important
Speaker 7: because we're sovereign states and our states stay legendari has
Speaker 7: given a lot of their powers to the federal government.
Speaker 7: That's why the federal government is totally insane. Which is
Speaker 7: totally insane. That's not we're supposed to have some countries.
Speaker 7: But that's the problem is that we should really look
Speaker 7: at our basic rooths about our states should be powerful
Speaker 7: and they should be independent and not put all the
Speaker 7: power back into the federal government. That's not the way
Speaker 7: it was intended. Now we have a federal government totally
Speaker 7: out of control. And so that is our fault because
Speaker 7: we have to take the responsibility to under state who
Speaker 7: we are, and we've drifted.
Speaker 2: And I would say, but except when, except when these
Speaker 2: states do not adhere to federal law like they're doing
Speaker 2: in Illinois, like they're doing in Portland, Oregon. And that's
Speaker 2: what's why President Trump is having to protect federal troops
Speaker 2: and federal buildings with the you know, by going into
Speaker 2: these states who were refusing to observe federal law, like
Speaker 2: immigration law, for example.
Speaker 7: Yes, exactly right, Well, there is that. Certainly, that's certainly
Speaker 7: what happened. Of course, now we have to take that
Speaker 7: bold step to make that happen. But that's because of
Speaker 7: the lack of understate of them. I go back to
Speaker 7: the citizens of America. We have to keep our country.
Speaker 7: We have to take the responsibility. We have to get involved.
Speaker 1: It's up to us to make that happen.
Speaker 7: We can't elect somebody and go to sleep. We have
Speaker 7: to make it happen that he couldn't go away. Brother,
Speaker 7: It's a NonStop responsibility.
Speaker 2: How do people find out more about the John Birch Society,
Speaker 2: Give me a quickie email or address or.
Speaker 7: Yeah, of course it's called the www course JBS dot org.
Speaker 7: And we have a magazine every bo's called The New American.
Speaker 7: You'll find out a website the Neewamerican dot com and
Speaker 7: you find the and there you know the Freedom Index.
Speaker 3: We can print off all.
Speaker 7: Those scorecards we talked about. Lastly, we have a school
Speaker 7: from kindergarten high school fifteen years called the Freedom Project Academy.
Speaker 7: He's online school teach Americanism principles, right, curse of all
Speaker 7: good stuff. So we try to cover our basis, educate
Speaker 7: our kids as well as our adults.
Speaker 2: Well, this deserves a longer conversation. Maybe we can do
Speaker 2: that as soon, Wayne Morrow. From the Child to It
Speaker 2: from the John Birch Society. Up next, doctor Carol Lieberman,
Speaker 2: America's psychiatrist, and now a few moments with America's psychiatrist,
Speaker 2: the terrorist Therapist. She's been known that way ever since
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. And of course she has a new book,
Speaker 2: Lions and Tigers and Terrorists. Oh My, the one and
Speaker 2: only doctor Carol Lieberman. Welcome back to the show, Doctor Liberman.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 8: Thank you so much? Well, it's it's hard to be fine.
Speaker 8: On the second anniversary of October seventh, yes, I would.
Speaker 2: I would imagine, so it's hard to even I opened
Speaker 2: my show with a monologue on this being the two
Speaker 2: year anniversary, and I said, just imagine if here in America,
Speaker 2: your son or daughter or grandchildren were at a music
Speaker 2: festival and suddenly, out of the blue, these mongrel, murderous
Speaker 2: mongrels masked as human beings, attacked and either slaughtered them
Speaker 2: or took them hostage. And you know, I can't believe
Speaker 2: that there are still people who don't understand in this country,
Speaker 2: doctor Lieberman, that Israel did not bring this on themselves.
Speaker 1: They were attacked.
Speaker 8: Yes, you know, the Hamas and the Palestinians and their
Speaker 8: sympathizers Iran and all that have done a great job
Speaker 8: of pr of getting the lie across that they somehow,
Speaker 8: somehow the world believes Israel started it, or Israel the
Speaker 8: war is the worst one in this war. And of
Speaker 8: course that's not true. Yes, it started, well, they started
Speaker 8: their attack at the music festival, but and then they
Speaker 8: you know, continued all that. But people don't. People don't
Speaker 8: Not only do people not understand that or not remember that,
Speaker 8: or you don't want to not remember that, but people
Speaker 8: don't understand or or want to understand because it's scary
Speaker 8: that the terrorists, not just Tamas, but all the terrorists
Speaker 8: don't just want to just destroy Israel. Yes, that's the
Speaker 8: number one uh target, but they want to destroy all Jews,
Speaker 8: and they want to destroy all infidels, what they call
Speaker 8: infidels in other words, people who don't believe in Islam.
Speaker 8: So that is the majority of people, and and and
Speaker 8: so everyone, like, let's just talk about America. Everyone is
Speaker 8: in danger in America. I mean unless I guess that
Speaker 8: you are a Muslim of the of the type that
Speaker 8: these terrorists like. But so it's not you know, it's
Speaker 8: not just poor Israel or it's not horrible Israel. It's
Speaker 8: we need to think of the larger meaning of this.
Speaker 8: I mean, quite frankly, in the last two years, you know,
Speaker 8: since the since October seventh, since the original October seventh,
Speaker 8: terrorists have been making great headway across the world, especially
Speaker 8: in Europe. I mean they have been taking over countries
Speaker 8: right and left. France, the UK is the worst, right now, Belgium, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland,
Speaker 8: I mean every country, every Western European country, and they
Speaker 8: are in Australia now, they've been in Africa for a
Speaker 8: long time, killing people, you know, Christians in Africa. So
Speaker 8: people need to wake up to this and realize that
Speaker 8: it could be like you were saying at the beginning,
Speaker 8: it could be their child's music festival.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and the thing is too, the terrorist attacks, I believe,
Speaker 2: and we have different ideas of what a terrorist attack is,
Speaker 2: but the definition of a terrorist attack is someone committing
Speaker 2: violence in aim of a political goal or a global
Speaker 2: political that's the actual definition of terrorism. And the pro
Speaker 2: hamas protesters in this country that have joined forces with antifolks,
Speaker 2: that have joined forces with some members of the militant
Speaker 2: Tree Brands community, they are all terrorists by definition, and
Speaker 2: they are committing terror attacks on ice, on ICE officers,
Speaker 2: on people, on college campuses, on speakers like Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 2: that these these are all terrorist acts, are they not.
Speaker 8: Yes, that's right, I'm glad. Yes, it's the terrorists are
Speaker 8: already here, those kinds of terrorists who you were mentioning
Speaker 8: domestic terrorists, but also radical Islamist terrorists who have crossed
Speaker 8: the border. I mean, there are terrorist cells all over America,
Speaker 8: and you know, all they need is a dog whistle,
Speaker 8: and this country is going to be in even more
Speaker 8: shape than it is now.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 8: As far as Trump's peace plan trump made, I mean,
Speaker 8: you know, you got to give him credit. He has
Speaker 8: done more for Israel, the Jews, but really for America,
Speaker 8: you know, given that we're talking about everybody being in
Speaker 8: danger than any other president, and he's his twenty point
Speaker 8: plan is a very generous plan, generous towards Hamas and so,
Speaker 8: but I don't think it's gonna work. I mean, I
Speaker 8: don't think. The only part I think that's going to
Speaker 8: work is the exchange of hostages for prisoners, you know,
Speaker 8: for Hamas's prisoners. I mean, I mean Hamas's hostages and
Speaker 8: the people from Hamas terrorists in it who have been
Speaker 8: captured in Israel.
Speaker 2: If a Maas doesn't, if they're not unarmed, it's still
Speaker 2: a threat ongoing.
Speaker 3: Forever, right.
Speaker 8: And the reason why I think Hamas is going to
Speaker 8: make that trade is because they need more soldiers, so
Speaker 8: they want people to be given back to them from
Speaker 8: Israel so that they could then turn them into soldiers.
Speaker 8: But you know, regardless, it still would be wonderful if
Speaker 8: the hostages are returned, even the dead one, so that
Speaker 8: the family can bury them and all of that. But
Speaker 8: the thing that people don't well, I mean.
Speaker 5: I worry.
Speaker 8: I hope that that Trump has good enough people who
Speaker 8: are knowledgeable enough about terrorists because the thing is, you know,
Speaker 8: there used to be the thing. You can't bargain with terrorists.
Speaker 8: You can't because terrorrists lie. And it's it's in the Hadith,
Speaker 8: the book about Muhammad, that you have permission to lie
Speaker 8: if it's for war. So they of course would be
Speaker 8: considering it's still war and they have the permission to lie,
Speaker 8: so they can say anything. They can agree to all
Speaker 8: the twenty points. I don't think they will, but they
Speaker 8: could agree to whatever they agree to. It's lying we
Speaker 8: can because it's not you know, here's the thing. Trump
Speaker 8: is a great negotiator. I have the Art of the
Speaker 8: deal on my desk. But we're not talking about those
Speaker 8: same kinds of people that we're not dealing with those
Speaker 8: same kinds of people. We're dealing with people who are
Speaker 8: who are driven by a real religious zeal that is
Speaker 8: that won't change. I mean, that's why on October seventh,
Speaker 8: when they went into Israel, they had such madness in
Speaker 8: their eyes because they were driven by this religious zeal
Speaker 8: to kill and name and do the worst things possible
Speaker 8: to Israelis because they wanted to be a model in
Speaker 8: the eyes of Allah, and so when they go to
Speaker 8: heaven then they can be you know, get their seventy
Speaker 8: two versions and all the other perks. So this is
Speaker 8: what they believe. So you can't really deal with them logically.
Speaker 8: And so that's why I think in the end, I
Speaker 8: don't think it's going to be the final peace plan.
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think it's going to ever last.
Speaker 8: And plus Israel shouldn't have to keep giving up parts
Speaker 8: of itself for peace.
Speaker 2: No, you're right. I mean it's like they're having to
Speaker 2: amputate their their half of their body to to save
Speaker 2: their left arm. It's it's crazy, uh, Doc, doctor Lieberman,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. I wish we had more time
Speaker 2: because it's such ad.
Speaker 8: Say one more thing, because I had created a video,
Speaker 8: a music video. I did it last year and it's
Speaker 8: still still true. On my website terroristtherapist dot com, you
Speaker 8: can see this music video about about the you know
Speaker 8: for the anniversary of October seventh, and you can see
Speaker 8: the whole story about what terrorists are really all about.
Speaker 2: And the book again, Lyons and Tigers and terrorists. Oh
Speaker 2: my doctor Carol Lieberman, the terrorist therapist on the Nightcap.
Speaker 1: Thank you as we put the wraps on this nightcap.
Speaker 2: Big news in the sports world, especially if you're a
Speaker 2: Bengals fan, if you're an NFL fan, or if you're
Speaker 2: a Flaco fan. Wow, that was the shot heard round
Speaker 2: the league, I'm sure. And now the teams that are
Speaker 2: on the Bengals schedule are going to be quivering in
Speaker 2: their boots. I'm certain Andy Furman is here to detail
Speaker 2: this what you probably have already heard by now at
Speaker 2: this point, but to break it down, the one and
Speaker 2: only fur Ball is on the Nightcap. Andy, tell me
Speaker 2: what you know. Tell me what you know and when
Speaker 2: you knew it?
Speaker 6: Well, I knew it about a little at the one
Speaker 6: o'clock this say afternoon.
Speaker 3: However, however, I don't know.
Speaker 6: If you're joking or talking with your tongue firmly planted
Speaker 6: in your cheek. But I will tell you this much,
Speaker 6: and I want to talk seriously about this trade. Joe
Speaker 6: Flock of forty year old quarterback comes from the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 6: and I traded draft picks for six for a five.
Speaker 6: You know, Bengals going one way and the Browns the other.
Speaker 6: Very unusual trade trading within the division. So here's several things.
Speaker 6: Number One, I give this this night Bengals organization an
Speaker 6: eight plus or at least trying for doing something, you know,
Speaker 6: for something that has to be done, because I will
Speaker 6: pay you right here and now. Joe Flacco cannot be
Speaker 6: any worse than the performance we had seen last week.
Speaker 3: With Jake Brownie. So given plus for that.
Speaker 6: Number two, I scratched my head and say, where was
Speaker 6: Russell Wilson, Where was Jameis Winston? Those guys were available.
Speaker 6: I would have loved to have seen one of those
Speaker 6: guys instead of a forty year old guy, because once
Speaker 6: he gets behind center with that offensive line, he's gonna
Speaker 6: have a couple of cracked ribs.
Speaker 3: Well, you haven't to be able to heal that quickly.
Speaker 6: He's an old man. You know.
Speaker 2: The Bengals were gone. The Bengals were going to have
Speaker 2: to go out and get somebody. Okay, last, but not least, Andy,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 6: Last but not least. I mean Joe Flacco making the rounds.
Speaker 3: He's played for every.
Speaker 6: AFC North team now except Pittsburgh, So I mean, you
Speaker 6: know again, and the bad news is if there's any
Speaker 6: bad news in this at all, is the fact that
Speaker 6: you know this tells you what the Cleveland Browns honestly
Speaker 6: think of Joe Flacco. I mean, let's face it. A
Speaker 6: year ago he got benched by the Indianapolis Colts, and
Speaker 6: now he got benched and tossed out the door by
Speaker 6: the Cleveland brown So you know, the end is quite
Speaker 6: near for Joe Flacco, and behind that offensive line, the
Speaker 6: end may come even faster.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But I give the organization an eight plus really for
Speaker 6: at least doing something, and that's that's a positive. Your
Speaker 6: fans should be happy about that. Like they did do
Speaker 6: the status call. Things are bad that that performance that
Speaker 6: Jake Browning had less less Sunday maybe one of the
Speaker 6: worst quarterback performances in the history of the Bengals organ.
Speaker 2: Andy the last two Sundays. I mean, listen, Jake Browning
Speaker 2: was never going to be the answer for this team.
Speaker 2: They put all their eggs in Joe Burrow's basket. But
Speaker 2: you know what, they didn't protect their eggs and they're
Speaker 2: not going to be able to protect Joe Flacco for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, Cleveland couldn't be Cleveland couldn't do it, and
Speaker 2: that's why they couldn't.
Speaker 6: Have this Flaco. He's got a better offensive cast than
Speaker 6: he had in Cleveland. Oh, he's not to help the
Speaker 6: running game, but at least Joe Flacco, in my mind,
Speaker 6: can deliver the football, which is something Jake Brownie could
Speaker 6: not do offcause he couldn't do this year. He had
Speaker 6: done that, you know two years.
Speaker 1: Jo Joe Fla has done this year.
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco has gone from Jerry Judy to Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: You're right, that is a huge improvement.
Speaker 6: And Jerry Judy has been a very big disappointment in Cleveland.
Speaker 3: He really has it right. See what happens.
Speaker 6: I mean, she's can't cut the weapons. You know, he
Speaker 6: can deliver the ball. You know, we'll see what happens
Speaker 6: by the He's gonna play under center for sure, and
Speaker 6: I think that we'll find out tomorrow at the midweek
Speaker 6: news conference for coach Zach Taylor. You know, with the
Speaker 6: fact he's he's ready and willing unable to go this
Speaker 6: Sunday in Green Bay and maybe too soon, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Going I mean going back as far as uh when
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco was with Baltimore. I mean when he was young,
Speaker 2: it became a situation of I used to remember making
Speaker 2: fun of Joe Flacco ten years ago. There's Joe Flacco
Speaker 2: on his back, another sacho.
Speaker 3: He is prone Flacco.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just always remember Joe Flacco on his
Speaker 2: bacco another sacho.
Speaker 1: There you go, and.
Speaker 2: That's when he could actually maybe even move a little
Speaker 2: bit more this day.
Speaker 6: What was what's the alternative when you think about it,
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's almost common sense. What was
Speaker 6: the alternative? You would stick with Jake Browning and let
Speaker 6: this season You're right, twelve weeks left.
Speaker 3: Its twelve weeks.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's still hope and the fact that this
Speaker 6: division to me right now, with Lamar Jackson has so
Speaker 6: many injuries on Baltimore, this division is somewhat wide open.
Speaker 6: It really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when Pittsburgh is uh is kind of
Speaker 2: like the Darling of the AFC North right now. And
Speaker 2: the Steelers have their own problems. The Browns obviously, their
Speaker 2: defense will keep them in games, but Dylan Gabriel or
Speaker 2: saduor Sanders are this season are not with the rest
Speaker 2: of the cast that the Browns have is not going
Speaker 2: to take them to the Promised Land. So the Bengals,
Speaker 2: you're right, had to try something we always wondered about.
Speaker 2: Jameis Winston. That was the name that was most notably
Speaker 2: bandied about. There's always a specter of Kirk Cousins coming
Speaker 2: back in a starting role. So Joe Flacco just traveled down.
Speaker 6: I'm going to pay that kind of money. They're not
Speaker 6: gonna pay Kirk Closes that kind of money. But but
Speaker 6: I'll tell you this much. You know, when I saw
Speaker 6: the Jacksonville team Monday night, yeh beat Kansas City and the.
Speaker 3: Honestly, listen, listen, listen, it hurts you to see that.
Speaker 1: I was hoping we weren't have to talk about this.
Speaker 3: Andy.
Speaker 6: The reason I bring it up, remember Jacksonville loss to
Speaker 6: the Bengals. We should give the Bengals some of This
Speaker 6: Jacksonville team is a real good team. Defensively, they're tough.
Speaker 3: They're a tough on defense.
Speaker 2: The Bengals beat this team, that Jags, that Jaggs loss.
Speaker 2: By the way, remember Joe Burrows started that game and
Speaker 2: did play and got the Bengals, you know, a score.
Speaker 3: And and but they won.
Speaker 2: It was an aberration. That was an aberration. Andy that
Speaker 2: that is a blip on the radar. That's any given Sunday.
Speaker 1: In the NFL.
Speaker 6: And maybe it was an operation that the Chiefs lost
Speaker 6: last night. To them, I will tay this your Chiefs,
Speaker 6: and you could take this to the bank. They no
Speaker 6: longer put fear of God into teams in the NFL anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't agree, I agree, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: And it was you know, I'm here on the air
Speaker 2: and I'm watching the TV as the game's going on,
Speaker 2: and I'm just going, oh, come on, and then then
Speaker 2: it's the end of the game, and I figure, Okay,
Speaker 2: the Chiefs will hold out here, they'll hold out. And
Speaker 2: and then there's that girl who plays for Jacksonville, that
Speaker 2: tall girl, what's his name?
Speaker 1: Her name Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrens right last night made a statement because there
Speaker 6: are so many years under his belt and people say
Speaker 6: he's going to be the next coming of whatever. And
Speaker 6: last night when they were behind and they didn't need
Speaker 6: a field goal, they needed a touchdown ahead, and they did.
Speaker 6: There was a coming of age for Trevor Lawrence last night. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it was a great win for Jacksonville, but there was
Speaker 6: a bigger win, a bigger emotional step in the career
Speaker 6: of Trevor Lawrence, who really and truly has had the
Speaker 6: disadvantage of having something like three or four different coaches
Speaker 6: in five years, whatever it may be, and different offensive coordinators.
Speaker 6: So right now I think he's he's matured.
Speaker 3: It was a big lead. We'll see where he goes
Speaker 3: from here.
Speaker 6: That's a big win last night for the team and
Speaker 6: big move for him.
Speaker 2: You talk about the Bengals actually beating the Jags and
Speaker 2: that gives you some glimmer of hope for the rest
Speaker 2: of the season with Joe Flacco at quarterback, But listen,
Speaker 2: the Jags are four and one.
Speaker 6: That Bengals are the Liam Cole right now is honestly,
Speaker 6: I would think if they were voting, he'd be the
Speaker 6: coach of the Year right now.
Speaker 1: Out could be, really could be.
Speaker 2: I all I know is I really liked watching the
Speaker 2: Lions on Sunday afternoon. I love that team, and I.
Speaker 6: Think they love They had the best one two running
Speaker 6: punch in the National Football League. The defensive is aggressively aggressive,
Speaker 6: and their line play on both sides of the line
Speaker 6: is tremendous.
Speaker 4: What else is not to life.
Speaker 2: They're fun right now. They're fun to watch, They're entertaining.
Speaker 2: They are, and I think that they let up a
Speaker 2: little bit on the Bengals. I think they felt bad
Speaker 2: for the Bengals because the score show them.
Speaker 3: Into the game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I you know. And I'm surprised that the Bengals
Speaker 6: made that move now because I thought they saw a
Speaker 6: glimmer of hope when that scored three touchdowns in the
Speaker 6: last quarter. They put up twenty one points and and
Speaker 6: Bernie got himself together.
Speaker 3: You know, I know those were.
Speaker 1: Those were fools, golden moments.
Speaker 6: That was Pie right, and I'm sure the Bengals felt
Speaker 6: the same way.
Speaker 3: You're right, I hear you're saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just hope.
Speaker 6: You know what I think right now, every fan who's
Speaker 6: a fan of the Cincinnati Bengals, you leave today with hope, hope,
Speaker 6: and also the fact that you're willing to turn the
Speaker 6: radio one and listen to Dave Lapham and watch the
Speaker 6: game on TV right now because you want to see
Speaker 6: what's going to happen. You knew the script with Jake Browning.
Speaker 6: We've seen it for two consecutive The guy's thrown eight
Speaker 6: interceptions since he's been in the lineup, So now there's
Speaker 6: somewhat hope. Right, So you want to see you're curious now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no question about it.
Speaker 2: You know what else is interesting that I've just gleaned
Speaker 2: and maybe it just occurred to me. I just finally
Speaker 2: came out from under my rock from the last thirty
Speaker 2: years or so. Andy, But now, if the Reds were
Speaker 2: still in the playoffs, we obviously would be still talking
Speaker 2: about baseball. But the second that football establishes itself, which
Speaker 2: is like the first week of real games, baseball all
Speaker 2: no matter who's playing, takes a back seat in the
Speaker 2: national consciousness. And I can't even tell you what's happening
Speaker 2: in the playoffs right now. I've paid no attention and
Speaker 2: I don't care. Do you think that's true of a
Speaker 2: lot of people.
Speaker 6: There's a threefold interest in that. Number One, every game
Speaker 6: means so much because they only play once a week.
Speaker 3: That's great. Number Two, people just love the game because it's.
Speaker 6: A he man's game and men love it. You know,
Speaker 6: it's brute, it's bruteful. And number three the gambling aspect.
Speaker 6: It's a perfect game for gambling. And number four, I
Speaker 6: want to throw a fourth.
Speaker 3: We're in there.
Speaker 6: There's no better game make for television and football.
Speaker 3: None.
Speaker 6: Well, it's the best game in the world for television football.
Speaker 6: So you talk about, you know, owning it. You know,
Speaker 6: I see the National Football League is the number one
Speaker 6: sport spectator viewership whatever it may be in the US
Speaker 6: of A, maybe worldwide, and number two one a perhaps
Speaker 6: it's college football. And you're so right about, you know,
Speaker 6: baseball not being there, not being forgotten because football, National
Speaker 6: Football League, football or college football, they are national sports,
Speaker 6: where baseball has become.
Speaker 3: A regional sport.
Speaker 6: If your home team is not in it, you don't
Speaker 6: really care. How about one step further, you know, during
Speaker 6: the summertime I was watching the w NBA. They owned
Speaker 6: the set of stage. There was nothing going on. It
Speaker 6: was baseball. Really, there was baseball, but no one really
Speaker 6: cared about a baseball game in the middle of July,
Speaker 6: where really it's somewhat meaningless. You go for enjoyment, you
Speaker 6: don't go for rooting interest.
Speaker 3: That's what you do.
Speaker 1: I wasn't with you on the WNBA, and.
Speaker 6: Ye once no, I'm making a comparison. Once the football
Speaker 6: season started, the w NBA went the playoffs, I had
Speaker 6: no idea what's going on. I have no idea. They're
Speaker 6: still in the playoffs. I think it's Las Vegas against
Speaker 6: UH Phoenix. I think in the playoffs for the WNBA.
Speaker 6: I don't even know. I have no idea what. I
Speaker 6: don't care, and I don't care.
Speaker 2: It's late and I shouldn't say this, but if I
Speaker 2: had any interest in watching women bounce balls, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be the WNBA that I'd be watching.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to argue about that.
Speaker 6: I enjoy the brand of the basketball that play, I really do.
Speaker 3: And I told you in the past.
Speaker 6: I told about the Indianapolis or to Bloomington, Indiana, when
Speaker 6: Caitlyn Clark was playing by I want to see Iowa
Speaker 6: play Indiana because I wanted them to see our play.
Speaker 2: I love Caitlyn Clark, I love I will never demean
Speaker 2: the lost ye can Clark.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: But what I was saying is, I mean major League
Speaker 2: Baseball right now is playing to find out who's going
Speaker 2: to be in the championship in the World Series, which
Speaker 2: used to be the biggest thing in America. And you're right,
Speaker 2: the advent of gambling and it's everywhere. The advent of
Speaker 2: television kind of tuned baseball and set them in a
Speaker 2: back seat, especially when the NFL starts seeming.
Speaker 6: I want to continue that conversation with you for a
Speaker 6: second because I want to know why and when that changed,
Speaker 6: because I can remember specifically as a kid and the
Speaker 6: US nineteen sixty and the Yankees were playing the Pittsburgh
Speaker 6: Pirates in the World Series, and I was in my
Speaker 6: backyard with my buddies and we were playing stickball whatever
Speaker 6: it may be. In Brooklyn, we had a big backyard.
Speaker 6: We played ball in there all the time. And I know,
Speaker 6: I think someone told me or whatever it was, that
Speaker 6: Bill Mazeroski hit a home run or for Ralph Terry,
Speaker 6: I think it was, and they they won the game,
Speaker 6: and the Yankees lost the World Series.
Speaker 5: I was depressed.
Speaker 3: I was devastated.
Speaker 6: And that was in September and I didn't even care
Speaker 6: about I didn't no idea football was being played there.
Speaker 6: I mean, so when did it change and how did
Speaker 6: it change. I'm sure people gambled on football back then.
Speaker 6: It wasn't legalized like it is now where you can
Speaker 6: make a bet on your phone, But how and why
Speaker 6: did it change? I don't get it lost everything.
Speaker 2: I'm going to charge you with a task, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if you'll be up to it because it'll
Speaker 2: be late like it is tonight. But on Saturday night,
Speaker 2: I have another nightcap from nine to midnight, a special
Speaker 2: Saturday Nightcap. And one of my guests is a guy
Speaker 2: named Ken Belson who's written this book called every Day
Speaker 2: Is Sunday and.
Speaker 1: And and get this.
Speaker 2: The subtitle is how Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Roger
Speaker 2: Goodell turned the NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut.
Speaker 1: I think it happened before that.
Speaker 3: But I agree, Yeah, yeah, so O take the credit.
Speaker 1: For it, though of course they will, wouldn't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I always do.
Speaker 1: Andy. This is this is good.
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco behind center with the Cincinnati Bengals, and the
Speaker 2: road to the playoffs has been reopened.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: I would hope that that Joe Flacco and that contractual
Speaker 6: deal on the trade took us Kyrol practor with him.
Speaker 2: He's gonna need it. Andy, thank you so much, a
Speaker 2: great night. Thanks the fur
Speaker 1: Ball on the night Cap on seven hundred WLW