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Speaker 1: Leader Fan Fan Radio Network, and that's a fact. And

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Speaker 1: welcome back. It is a Thursday production of The Afternoon

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Speaker 1: Ardvark On a very balmy weekday afternoon here in the

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Speaker 1: Twin Cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul Guards he produces

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Speaker 1: the show. My name is Dan Barrero, formering Saint Retch

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Speaker 1: newspaper of the Twin Cities. And as perhaps most of

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Speaker 1: you know by now, maybe you don't have to hate

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin today. Maybe you can take pity on Wisconsin today.

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Speaker 1: That's unlikely, I know in this market. Probably you are

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Speaker 1: reveling in the pain and misery. What happened of Wisconsin?

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Speaker 1: A badger? Well, what do we call it? A not

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Speaker 1: a monumental upset? Five verses twelve isn't monumental, but it's

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Speaker 1: a good one. It's a solid one. Wisconsin. The five

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Speaker 1: seed edged by the high Point Panthers in very dramatic

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Speaker 1: fashion in the final minutes eighty three eighty two. And

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Speaker 1: if I understand this correctly, high Point went ahead for

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Speaker 1: good on a basket, a breakaway layup from a member

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Speaker 1: of the club who had not made a two point

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Speaker 1: shot for the entire season. That guy, that guy that

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Speaker 1: made the layup. Interesting layup he ran out. Yep, he

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Speaker 1: was I think previously zero for four from two. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's almost I get it. It's a three point world yep.

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Speaker 1: In fact, looking at the box score, high point took

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Speaker 1: forty fifteen, I think Wisconsin made nine threes that ended

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Speaker 1: up being the differs of the game. But that's one

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Speaker 1: of those nuggets, one of those stats that I.

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Speaker 2: It's a great nugget. That's as good as it gets

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Speaker 2: in the.

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Speaker 1: Big Dance, right, your first two point basket of the season.

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Speaker 1: No wonder, his footwork looked a little off. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you saw it. I did. He caught it

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Speaker 1: coudit and dunk it right, kind of laid it over

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Speaker 1: I thought maybe if he travels because he didn't put

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Speaker 1: the ball on the field. He caught it on the

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Speaker 1: run and so two big steps. It's a good pass.

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Speaker 1: It actually was a very good breakaway pass. So the

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Speaker 1: Badgers are out in round number one. They finished the

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Speaker 1: season twenty four and eleven high point improved to thirty

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Speaker 1: one and forty. To see the interview with the head

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Speaker 1: coach after the game, I didn't Oh my god, that

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Speaker 1: was in the transit. I've heard him on radio in

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks. He's a good talker. He was

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Speaker 1: talking and it was no, did play us? No, did

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Speaker 1: play this mid major in the regular scene. We couldn't

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Speaker 1: get anybody to play us. Well, maybe now I know

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Speaker 1: why they didn't want to play us, because they know

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Speaker 1: what they had to play us today and we won

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Speaker 1: the damn game. I love it. He was great, he

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Speaker 1: was very good. Kind of went on from there. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to now that's a good upset for a

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Speaker 1: first round first day, no question. I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: my arms around that. Sienna Duke score at the half.

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Speaker 1: Has the second half begun?

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Speaker 2: I think it's about too. I think they just went

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Speaker 1: Sienna is a sixteen, correct, they are, Duke is very

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Speaker 1: gun and Duke was down nine at the half. Eleven

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Speaker 1: forty three, thirty two, forty three, thirty the half. Is

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Speaker 1: that Now, I didn't see any of that game, mean neither.

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Speaker 1: I was watching the battle. What the hell? We need

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Speaker 1: help from our basketball correspondence. What happened in the first

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Speaker 1: half to Duke and is it sustainable or is it

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Speaker 1: one of those deals where oh, it's inevitable they're gonna

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Speaker 1: come back and win the game by fifteen or twenty.

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Speaker 1: Down eleven to Siena at the half. So the Big

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Speaker 1: dances off to a very impressive and invigorating start.

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Speaker 2: There's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: We'll have some live live I should say live listen

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Speaker 1: ins today. I've got speaking of five versus twelve. I

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Speaker 1: we already got two big ten teams out right. Ohio

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Speaker 1: State already lost to TCU, Yes, sixty six to sixty four.

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Speaker 1: they've ever won. That's their first ANSTEA Tournament victory ever

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Speaker 1: for the school, which is almost astonishing. And they didn't

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Speaker 1: six to forty seven, Nebraska wins it. Nebraska is a

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Speaker 1: four seed for the record. Louisville a six seed, holds

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Speaker 1: off USF eighty three to seventy nine, and then I

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Speaker 1: think that's it on Active Games right now, if I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken. NDSU MSU is coming up at the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the hour, so hopefully we'll have a live listening

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Speaker 1: there as well. By the way, did I have the

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Speaker 1: right time in my pre show tweet on Russo as

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Speaker 1: a five oh two five o two Okay, Fallness of

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Speaker 1: Studio So Russo will be with us. According to the

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Speaker 1: uglydeck dot com guest lineup for today at five oh

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Speaker 1: two from the Fallness Studios as we try to finish

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Speaker 1: the home and home sweep of the Chicago Blackhawks when

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Speaker 1: we host the Blackhawks this evening. A five h two

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Speaker 1: for him. Doctor Dan's inbox tentatively scheduled for four point thirty.

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Speaker 1: We can move that around a little bit. I think

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Speaker 1: we're out of six fifteen today once again because.

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Speaker 2: Of wild hockey.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Against Chicago? In Chicago has just said yeah,

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Speaker 1: six fifteen. Uh, this very afternoon Branshaw on Brian kfein

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Speaker 1: text line is open at six four six eight six

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Speaker 1: at six four six eighty six three to two. Oh,

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Speaker 1: guy rewrites Duke cannot make threes out rebounded no defense.

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Speaker 1: In fact, early on there were bad calls against Sienna

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Speaker 1: that led to six points for Duke to stay close.

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Speaker 1: Duke looked very tight, writes Mike from Woodbury. Steve for me,

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Speaker 1: Dina Sienna is manhandling Duke with heavy points in the paint?

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Speaker 1: Is Sienna big? I don't know. Sienna have great size.

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Speaker 1: Good question here from six to five to one, Guy,

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Speaker 1: this might be more for you than me. Do you

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Speaker 1: think bo Ryan will get fired if you lose a

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Speaker 1: game like that of Wisconsin? Classy and gracious in defeat.

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Speaker 1: have to take that under consideration for sure. So we'll

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on the games we'll I've got, believe

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Speaker 1: it or not, a soccer controversy I'd like to wedge

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Speaker 1: I really would like to. I've got a Val Kilmer

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Speaker 1: story to get to that's AI related that I alluded

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Speaker 1: to yesterday but kind of decided to embargo it. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: and we've got another in an endless series of duns

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Speaker 1: as today, we've got another good done as a society

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Speaker 1: that will be part of the conversation as as well

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Speaker 1: Big Ten. Among Big ten men's basket ball teams, the

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Speaker 1: talk would be Michigan right has the best chance to

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Speaker 1: win it.

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Speaker 2: All, I think, So do you agree with that?

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Speaker 1: I do? Yeah, Number one seed seems like they've got

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Speaker 1: everything that killed teams during the regular season. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: got a very angry, smug text for my buddy Bosch,

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Speaker 1: who is tracking the White Sox for the first time

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Speaker 1: in his life at Spring Trains, as he told us

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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and the text was simply read,

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Speaker 1: tell Wall Street Journal guy that Wisconsin lost. Now. I

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Speaker 1: think he must be referring to Jason Gay, who's an

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Speaker 1: alum of Wisconsin and is he just has he written

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Speaker 1: a recent bouquet to the Badger program because I've missed

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Speaker 1: it if he has, but I don't think so. The

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Speaker 1: impression I got was that Bosis was annoyed at all

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Speaker 1: the love that this particular calmness had been giving the back. Well,

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Speaker 1: what's funny about not you, but a lot of media

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Speaker 1: is you get mad when other media talk about where

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Speaker 1: they went to school, Like everybody hates the Northwestern guys,

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Speaker 1: right Feinstein, Uh, oh, we all do it, but you

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Speaker 1: all do it, which is funny. Like Bosich, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: probably wearing his you know sig shirt right, Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: do we call it? Cignaty. He's probably wearing his cignati

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Speaker 1: right now in somewhere in Tempe, Arizona. But because Jason

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Speaker 1: Gay Wall Street journal guy went to Wisconsin and may

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Speaker 1: have noted that a time or two Bosic has done

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was a column recently saying watch out for

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Speaker 1: them dark Horse or something like that. Well, the dark

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Speaker 1: Horse has been taken out of its misery at this point.

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Speaker 1: For the for the Badgers, check in on your lake

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Speaker 1: Ville neighbors. Check in on your lake Ville neighbors. There's

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Speaker 1: your shot, that's your reguisted shot. You have to get

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Speaker 1: that shot in the relay. Do they have right now? Uh? Two?

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Speaker 1: At least two. Yeah, there's a white Bear Lake, there's

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Speaker 1: a Brooklyn Park. Well, they can still make the comeback.

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Speaker 1: They at least they made the tournament. Of course, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: we're not as they should being there at that point.

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Speaker 1: Blake Moore said in the passing that he's not sure

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Speaker 1: he's ever seen me happier. Is that true? He said it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true or not, which is

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Speaker 1: a little sad. Well, here's what's funny. I read from

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Speaker 1: a story again, interestingly enough for the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 1: Others have written two though, saying that the chance for

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Speaker 1: Cinderella's lessening with each year it goes by, as college

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Speaker 1: basketball sort of gets reformed for its later the latest

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Speaker 1: configuration and yet early day one. Now again, this is

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Speaker 1: just first round. We get that, but the high point

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Speaker 1: victory's impressive. If the Sienna thing can possibly that would

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Speaker 1: be insane. I again, we've had how many sixteens have beaten.

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Speaker 2: Ones in the history of the tournament.

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Speaker 1: If I remember, right, Baltimore, Maryland, Baltimore County beat Virginia

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Speaker 1: and fairly Dickinson. That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have to believe this one would be bigger.

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Speaker 1: Than that, wouldn't it. I think just because of its Duke,

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Speaker 1: because it's Duke. Yes, yes, it would be the biggest

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Speaker 1: one if Duke loses this game. Do you think it's

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Speaker 1: possible coach k comes out of retirement? I do they

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Speaker 1: demand Duke that he comes back? Yeah, to write the ship.

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Speaker 1: Who is the coach now, John Shire, who we watched

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Speaker 1: win the title in twenty ten. That's true, right, you

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Speaker 1: and I. That's a good point. It's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: At the RCA Dome, Sianna's up thirteenth. They just hit

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Speaker 1: a couple of free throws. It's very early inside, just

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Speaker 1: inside thirty seconds of the watching the coach. He's he's

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Speaker 1: he's putting on the miles on the sideline. He's pointing

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Speaker 1: everybody out, telling them where to go. Yeah, look at him.

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Speaker 1: He's just pacing in the jumpsuit. Oh there he is.

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Speaker 1: He's on the court. Yeah, look at him. He's he

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Speaker 1: you know what he is. He's early. Rick Patino too, Okay,

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Speaker 1: because I think Patino is not quite as active on

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Speaker 1: the court, on the on the sidelines it used to be.

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Speaker 1: But he used to be insane on the side. And

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Speaker 1: been at least one movie fictional version. What was the

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Speaker 1: name of the movie, Glory Road. That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like a yawner today, but then you

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Speaker 1: have to understand the import of it. It's the University

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Speaker 1: of Kentucky. It's Adolph Rupp who liked white guys playing

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Speaker 1: basketball period, end of story, and the idea that this

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Speaker 1: upstart team with five African American players would come in

436
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Speaker 1: and I don't want to say dominate, but they were

437
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Speaker 1: pretty much ahead, as I said, most of the game

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Speaker 1: and almost from the get In fact, I think two

439
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Speaker 1: of like the first three possessions playing defense, they stole

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Speaker 1: I want to say it was both times against Louie

441
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Speaker 1: Dampier basically stole the ball in the front court and

442
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: went for easy layups. They were good and they didn't

443
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Speaker 1: care that they were not supposed to win and you're

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Speaker 1: you're not You're not supposed to do this, date.

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Speaker 2: Off Rup, It's just not supposed to happen.

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Speaker 1: That's then. That was the ultimate of blue Bloods. And

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Speaker 1: so it's one of the great for me early sports

448
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Speaker 1: memories that I could when when my parents got back,

449
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Speaker 1: I could say, tell my father who I don't mean,

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Speaker 1: he may have learned it by radio, I don't know

451
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Speaker 1: back in those days, Carrier Pigeon that in fact, the

452
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Speaker 1: frable kid did good and won a national championship.

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Speaker 2: That was good stuff. That's sixteen years ago. Think about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unbelievable if you think about it. Duke was

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Speaker 1: also in that final four and Utah the Utah Redskins

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Speaker 1: is that what they're called. If they were called back then,

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Speaker 1: I don't know when they switched to the Utes. Oh

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Speaker 1: my interesting brat Shawn Brian Cafey in text line is

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Speaker 1: open at six four six eight six.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Glory Road is the name of that film.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember who starred as the hit the The

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Speaker 1: Texas Western coach was Don Haskins, I believe, yes, And

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Speaker 1: it was a very young Don Haskins at at that

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Speaker 1: point as as well. Josh Lucas was the name of

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Speaker 1: the actor that played him in the movie.

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Speaker 2: Josh Lucas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he's kind of like a poor man's Matthew McConaughey, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you can't get McConaughey, you get.

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Speaker 2: Josh Lucas for roles like that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's yeah, So he's like the Knockoffs. So what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, in my opinion, yeah, the poor Man's Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if he's not available, you can't get Matthew because he's

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Speaker 1: on a darkness retreat or doing something. So I've got

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Speaker 1: now a time out in the action. Duke Siena Duke

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Speaker 1: was doubt eleven and a half. They are currently down four.

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Speaker 1: Is what I have is a fifty three forty nine,

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Speaker 1: I believe is the score I just saw. Yep. And

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Speaker 1: how about that high putes ago, I did the first

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Speaker 1: tournament win in school history. That's that bad tubby Smith's

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Speaker 1: alma mater. Well, it's Nebraska's first tournament win in school history.

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Speaker 1: That's true, which is still stunning to me, even though

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Speaker 1: I know Nebraska's historically been a football school. You think

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Speaker 1: somewhere somehow they might have want to. They they were.

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Speaker 1: They did not, They did not mess around. I mean

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Speaker 1: they were once they got a hold of it, once

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Speaker 1: they get it was a little bit of a slow start,

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Speaker 1: and then they just pounded late first half, and then

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Speaker 1: once they pulled away, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was not anybody's ballgame at all.

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Speaker 1: Early Michigan State, North Dakota State and the Spartans were

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Speaker 1: down eight seven. I think there's like five minutes to

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Speaker 1: go into the ballgame, is what I indeed saw. Who

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Speaker 1: else is golled Arkansas Hawaii just started. That's kind of early.

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Speaker 1: So three Big ten teams to this point, we're two

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Speaker 1: and one, right, No, we're one and two. I should

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Speaker 1: say Nebraska's got our only victory. Ohio State is out

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Speaker 1: and Wisconsin already out. Correct, yep, Illinois plays later tonight,

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Speaker 1: Frans red face. Oh, that's right, Brand McCaffrey versus Brad Underwood.

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Speaker 2: Forward to that.

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Speaker 1: That's a little bit later tonight. Michigan top seed plays

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Speaker 1: a little bit later tonight, and that'll be fun. Like

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, the Spartans are in action right now. Allen

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Speaker 1: and Afton Wright's given the nil and balance in basketball

504
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: will to really be celebrated even more by the media

505
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: or even more quickly dismissed like Indiana before the Q

506
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: money float in. The team could still win if they

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Speaker 1: have good coaching fundamentals and play as a team. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it all depends on how you want to

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Speaker 1: evaluate success. Is it winning a first round game, which

510
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Speaker 1: I think is still going to happen in upset fashion.

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Speaker 1: Is it you're gonna make I mean, most of the

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Speaker 1: time once we get into the tournament, we've used Cinderella

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Speaker 1: as are teams that make it to the sweet sixteen, right,

514
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Speaker 1: that make a run. But obviously anytime it's one versus sixteen,

515
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Speaker 1: you're going to you're going to make. It'd be a

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Speaker 1: huge story if indeed Siena was able to pull that

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Speaker 1: thing off. It was interesting that we went, however, many

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Speaker 1: years with the tournament that it didn't happen, and now

519
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Speaker 1: in the last eight years we've had it happen twice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, and now Duke has been down as

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Speaker 1: many as eleven. I think the parody thing is an

522
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Speaker 1: interesting one because you would assume that the nil stuff

523
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Speaker 1: really favors the big blue bloods, especially in basketball, when

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Speaker 1: you only need five six players. Yeah, but maybe maybe

525
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Speaker 1: it's going to be more because and everybody wants to

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Speaker 1: play Power five where all the money is so like

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Speaker 1: Power five, I think gets spread out more. But do

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Speaker 1: the smaller conferences have anybody left? And it seems like

529
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Speaker 1: they're trying to prove it this tournament that yeah, we

530
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Speaker 1: still have dudes left. I like that they're all banding together.

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Speaker 1: That the high point coach threw in Miami of Ohio

532
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Speaker 1: and his thing, because I've heard on the final four

533
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Speaker 1: for years, no one ever wants to play these guys,

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Speaker 1: even if good not good, they have to play some

535
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Speaker 1: of them. But we see the non conference schedules here

536
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Speaker 1: every year. They're mostly a joke. Right, nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: play a good non Power four team. Well, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a classic catch twenty two, right, because what do the

539
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Speaker 1: experts say to these mid majors, We got to play

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Speaker 1: some better teams, you don't get penalized, and they say

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Speaker 1: we'll give us a chance to we'd love to and

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Speaker 1: the doubt the other end of that is, well I

543
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Speaker 1: got I have nothing to gain by playing you and

544
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Speaker 1: everything to lose if you believe in that mentality, which

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Speaker 1: is what a lot of schools do basketball and football. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest. As much as I love what my

547
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Speaker 1: guy Indiana did, he is he subscribes that same theory

548
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Speaker 1: in the in the in the non conference schedulebody to

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Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, basically, we're gonna we're gonna just you know,

550
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Speaker 1: schedule a bunch of Patsy's, which I I never love endorsing,

551
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Speaker 1: but that's sort of the way it ends up working.

552
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Speaker 1: Uh in in both both ends. Uh five oh five?

553
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Speaker 1: Guy rights, thank god. My Husker drought is over making

554
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: threes as their recipe. That's from uh, this is from

555
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: uh Nebraska. Guy Sanford is a pure shooter, not an

556
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Speaker 1: athletic team, but dangerous of hot from three. Has that

557
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: been their thing all year? Are they a big three

558
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Speaker 1: point shooting set in Nebraska? Yes? Yeah, yeah, like most

559
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: but yeah they can sling it. And it's another example

560
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Speaker 1: of Freddy Hoiberg. Was it felt it felt like he

561
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Speaker 1: was an eyelash away from being fired, right, yeah, two

562
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Speaker 1: years ago, two years ago, and now he's he's he's

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Speaker 1: got them on the map in a way that extension. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly it. All right, Well, here again, I want

565
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Speaker 1: to remind you a couple of the plans the rest

566
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Speaker 1: of the show from a guest lineup standpoint, We've got

567
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: Russo to talk hockey and the wild at five oh two,

568
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Speaker 1: and then we've got the inbox, which I've tentatively opened

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Speaker 1: for what did I say four to thirty? I think

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Speaker 1: I did. That's what we usually do. We can move

571
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: it around depending on what kind of action you get

572
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: and how pleased you are with the results. But you

573
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: can email guards eat JG at cafe dot com, believe

574
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Speaker 1: it or not. Before our first scheduled guest, we got

575
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Speaker 1: still a large chunk I want to talk about. Have

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Speaker 1: you heard about this soccer controversy? I don't know. Well, Again,

577
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Speaker 1: ordinarily I would not have known anything about it, but

578
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Speaker 1: it's been written in pretty vivid detail in a couple

579
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Speaker 1: of places, So I actually do want to touch on

580
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Speaker 1: it because there's a controversy. Basically, in this case, a

581
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 1: result was overturned in a game, in a key game. Hey.

582
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Speaker 1: In other words, the team that one is no longer

583
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Speaker 1: being awarded with the victory after the fact, like three

584
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Speaker 1: weeks later, which is kind of unusual, is it not?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember here? Is it about like vacating? Is

586
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Speaker 1: in a like you know that that that uh Luther

587
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: Darville was involved back in the day. It's a very

588
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: dated Gopher scandal reference. Or Jack Goehoff was involved. I

589
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: mean it's it's it's neither of the it's neither of

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Speaker 1: those sorts of situations. Indeed apply, Uh, Sienna is still

591
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: up five, We're down to like seven minutes and change.

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Speaker 1: Should we go? Do you want to go to a

593
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: quick listen in there because we got to miss what

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Speaker 1: the game is? Okay, you got your your prisoner to

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Speaker 1: what the feed is. Yeah, I think we have duke here.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead. Let's let's get a couple

597
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Speaker 1: of quick ministry.

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Speaker 3: As they find Toby short corner park saw back down

599
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: on Harris. Tody tried to turn it around, got caught somehow,

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Speaker 3: got it off to Moulvis, clicks to shoot for shows.

601
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Speaker 1: Needs to get rid of it.

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Speaker 3: It's Tony straight away for three, missed it short and

603
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: a rebound pulled in by Cam Boozer six forty to

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00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: play sixty one fifty eight Sienna in a two three

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Speaker 3: zone with a lead Cayden Boozer with a right handed

606
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Speaker 3: dribble at the march Madness logo at mid court sixteen

607
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: is shooper due Darren Harris bounce pass right elbow, cam

608
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Speaker 3: Boozer spray it out left wing three. Isaiah Evans missed

609
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Speaker 3: it long, Tam Boozer are another rebound, cayten Boozer straight

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Speaker 3: away missed the three to two long and another offensive rebounds.

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Speaker 1: Heavens missed the fence but not the second.

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Speaker 3: Four chances were due head. It's sixty one to sixty

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Speaker 3: guest MOUs twelve offensive rebounds in this game, Producers six

614
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Speaker 3: minutes to play Sienna by one. They've had the answer

615
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: at every turn. Does this Cinderella have one more? Falla

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Speaker 3: back on the left wing, holding on his right hip,

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Speaker 3: dribbles with a left hand cross to his right, trod

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Speaker 3: middle had it not towy by cam Boozer on the ground,

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Speaker 3: Karen Harris has it.

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Speaker 1: They're taken right back by fall a.

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Speaker 3: Fact straight away, Donny Pump take three ball, missed it

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Speaker 3: right to the left, and then a fouls called on

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Speaker 3: the loose ball. Pam Bozer got hit and the Siena

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Speaker 3: fan for let let me here, Karon Greenville. Darren Harris

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Speaker 3: holding his lower back after the play and with five

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Speaker 3: forty seven of play, there's a time out.

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Speaker 1: On the floor. Senna sixty one, Duke sixty. You're listening,

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Speaker 1: so obviously Duke has tied it up. They were down

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Speaker 1: eleven at the half. You reminded me that apparently that's

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Speaker 1: the first time in history that a one seat has

631
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Speaker 1: trailed by double digits or more at the half.

632
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Speaker 2: We've had two.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen beating one upsets in the history of the tournament,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of first half, what Duke did is unprecedented.

635
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Speaker 1: So we'll keep back on keep an eye on that

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Speaker 1: game pretty much the rest of the way, because that's about.

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Speaker 2: As dramatic as you can get for a first round tournament.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned also I want to get to some hockey,

639
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Speaker 1: not just to soccer, but some hockey as well, And

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Speaker 1: we'll keep going to some live listenings on day one

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Speaker 1: of what's already been a dramatic day in the Big Dam.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we got a lot of good research assistance,

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Speaker 1: most of them unpaid.

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Speaker 2: When is the last time.

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Speaker 1: That a college basketball team has attempted to win an

646
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament game using exactly zero players off the bench

647
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: to this point, for Sienna, they've gone with their five starters,

648
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Speaker 1: one of whom, by.

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Speaker 2: The way, has four fouls.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, the whole way, they have not used

651
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Speaker 1: anybody off of their bench thus far. Duke just went

652
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: up sixty three to sixty one. There's four minutes ago

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Speaker 1: and Sienna has the ball and McNamara, your guy, did

654
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Speaker 1: you see him lose his mind? Call missed out on

655
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Speaker 1: the perimeter that I think should have been called quite frankly,

656
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Speaker 1: but he was beyond apoplectic. McNamara's red at very red face.

657
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Speaker 1: There's no question about that. So that's surprising. It's a

658
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Speaker 1: surprising strategy against Duke. Like, I know, you got to

659
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Speaker 1: go down with your guys, but I yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many they ordinarily play. Yeah, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the box score. Duke's only used two

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Speaker 1: players off the bench twenty four minutes and nine at

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Speaker 1: this point. But yeah, the all six every point by

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Speaker 1: Seattle to this point scored by starters. And as I said,

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Speaker 1: I think there's the four minute inside four minute time

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Speaker 1: out just took place. Duke just went up sixty three

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Speaker 1: to sixty one after being down. If you're just joining

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Speaker 1: us by eleven points at the at the half, how

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Speaker 1: are the Boozer kids doing looks like Cam Boozer eighteen

670
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Speaker 1: points his brother seventeen at this point, so thirty five

671
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Speaker 1: points between two. So it has the feel of a

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Speaker 1: game that might get away a little bit. You know,

673
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Speaker 1: you're definitely seeing some fade in Sianna. But then again,

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Speaker 1: if you're using nobody off the bench right, oh, you're

675
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Speaker 1: asking a lot. I thought I saw something on the

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Speaker 1: screen indicating the last time somebody tried to do this

677
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Speaker 1: was one of the old great DePaul University teams under

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Speaker 1: Ray Meyer. That might go back all the way to

679
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Speaker 1: the mark Iguire days. I think Terry Cummings. I'm not sure,

680
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Speaker 1: but I'm assuming it's not done often. No, if you

681
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Speaker 1: are overmatched, most coaches say, well, I got to give

682
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: I got to give a couple of my guys.

683
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Speaker 2: Even it's like a two minute rest, I've got to

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 1: So even in the I think it's the Mid Atlantic

686
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: Athletic Conference, yes, that Sienna hails from. In their championship

687
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: game against Mary Mack, they only played six six and

688
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: a guy named Christian Jones played six minutes doty thirty

689
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Speaker 1: eight forty coil thirty eight full fact forty and shots

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Speaker 1: played thirty eight, so every starter played at least thirty

691
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Speaker 1: eight minutes. And I guess Christian Jones just went in

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Speaker 1: for a minute at a time for three of them.

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Speaker 2: Because two of them played the full forty I've got.

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Speaker 1: A good advantage still for Sienna from three their nine

695
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Speaker 1: for twenty two. Duke is listed as at five for

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Now here's what's going to get the conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theorist going free throws. Yes, Sienna is six for six,

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Speaker 1: Duke is twenty one for twenty two. No, I'm I'm exaggerating.

699
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Speaker 1: It's that they're actually twelve for fourteen, so they do

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Speaker 1: have double the number of free more than double the

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Speaker 1: amount of free throw attempts. I was trying to get

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Speaker 1: the the Duke caters going just a little bit, So

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Speaker 1: we'll end up I will. We'll see if that ends

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Speaker 1: up being a factor that's discussed after the after the

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Speaker 1: ball game. I know a lot of people though Duke

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Speaker 1: was consider the number one overall seat in the tournament. Correct.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what the committee that sounds right determined. Yep.

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched them enough this year. Obviously they're good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've not watched them enough. To know if they are

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Speaker 1: viewed as like a one, like a dominant duke team. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the Boozers are big time obviously that those are

712
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Speaker 1: Carlos's kids, remember from the two thousand and one team

713
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Speaker 1: that came through here. Yes, played pro forever. By the way,

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Speaker 1: fouls in the half Ciena seven Duke three, Sienna seven

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Speaker 1: Duke three. You can't blame it. I'm coach, k he's

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Speaker 1: not there. Well maybe is that? I think he's isn't

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Speaker 1: he always there? Probably kind of a little bit in

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Speaker 1: the minds the hearts in the West Spring people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you might be right about that. Yeah, another file, that

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Speaker 1: was a file there. I don't think there's uh a

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Speaker 1: lot of the fouls I've seen it come on rebounds

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Speaker 1: and yeah, because that's where their advantages. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: even in the listen and we heard that. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: unfortunately true. Well, I think it's a little early to

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Speaker 1: go to another listening, but we'll keep an eye on.

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Speaker 1: We've got time Vandy fifty four, McNee State forty eight.

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Speaker 1: That's a five versus a twelve. About halfway through the

728
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Speaker 1: second half, Arkansas over University of Hawaii is a thirteen

729
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Speaker 1: seed YEP, twenty six to eleven, and then it looks

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Speaker 1: like Michigan State they had a bigger lead a minute ago,

731
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Speaker 1: but now it's seven. They're still up seven on Bizen Price.

732
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Speaker 1: Dakota State, the Spartans are a three and Andy State

733
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Speaker 1: obviously if you do that math, which even I can

734
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Speaker 1: kind of do. I've interviewed to be a fourteen. I've

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Speaker 1: interviewed the Hawaii coach a lot at Final Fource, you know,

736
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Speaker 1: to help Charlie Barker. Yes, yes, because he brings in

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys. Yes, it's like, hey, I need

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Speaker 1: you to talk to this guy. And he's a he's

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Speaker 1: a chairman of the coacher. Yeah, but he's the chairman

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Speaker 1: of Coaches versus Cancer. So there's that book as well. Right,

741
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Speaker 1: But he's been and he's a good dude. He's been

742
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Speaker 1: very funny the last handful of years though, with all

743
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Speaker 1: the realignment, because every coach is complaining about how much

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Speaker 1: they have to travel. Yes, And so I brought it

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Speaker 1: up with him and I said, what's your reaction when

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Speaker 1: people talk about how far they have to travel? Because

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Speaker 1: by definition Hawaii is coming, it's a four hour flight

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Speaker 1: at least, right minimum. Yeah, pretty much anywhere. Every trip

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Speaker 1: they take is a long flight, Yes it is, and

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Speaker 1: he just got the biggest kick out of it. It's

751
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Speaker 1: like it's the greatest. I mean, I've been doing this

752
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Speaker 1: for fifteen years. Every now we stay a little longer,

753
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Speaker 1: like I get it. While they're they're mad about it,

754
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Speaker 1: but it's like, yeah, guys, we have to do it.

755
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Speaker 1: And now maybe the playing fields level because they've won

756
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Speaker 1: their conference for the first time in a really long time.

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Speaker 1: Well what's interesting too is during that last possession and

758
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Speaker 1: Sienna still got the ball, there was a loose ball

759
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Speaker 1: foul called and it looks like kind of a standing

760
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Speaker 1: ovation kind of a thing. The derisive cheer. They actually

761
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Speaker 1: called a file on on Duke, So we'll see how

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Speaker 1: that goes. It was just watching the last couple of minutes,

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Speaker 1: it just looks like, offensively, Sienna's just running out of stuff,

764
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Speaker 1: and so that might be also Duke saying, come on,

765
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we got it.

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Speaker 2: We got to tye the thing up.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Duke's got the ball back again with now

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Speaker 1: we're three minutes to go. Look at number four. You

769
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Speaker 1: can't even run. He's like cramping. Yeah, top of the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is malpracticed. This is this like abuse? Is this

771
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Speaker 1: coaching abuse? It's like what koc did the Carson win

772
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Speaker 1: or not mixed in a couple of minutes in the

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Speaker 1: first half he had a double digit lead. They'd have

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Speaker 1: done that, they Yeah, but if they'd done that, it

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Speaker 1: would have been only like a five point lead. You

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Speaker 1: tell me that Christian Jones couldn't have given him three

777
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Speaker 1: minutes like you did in the Mac Championship game. But

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Speaker 1: on the boards it's getting really ugly too. Yeah, a

779
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Speaker 1: lot of second chance baskets for for the dookies at

780
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Speaker 1: this point because they just missed two shots in a row.

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Speaker 1: Got the ball back on a nice little drive to bat.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's got to be Ceana ball. Yeah, it was

783
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Speaker 1: a terrible miss. Well to twenty six. What do you

784
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Speaker 1: think do we chance it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because I think we're gonna have some fouls and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well do you mean we go ahead and take

787
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Speaker 1: a break or do we come back? I think it

788
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Speaker 1: all right, we'll break, come back and hopefully they'll be

789
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Speaker 1: a little bit left for a live listen in on

790
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Speaker 1: what the war Holpes is a dramatic now come from

791
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Speaker 1: behind victory for sixteen seed Sienna which unfortunately has missed

792
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Speaker 1: seven of its last eight