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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from WOR Now the wr Saturday

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. Here's Larry Minti here, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: To Saturday Morning. On this week's show, the NASA County

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Speaker 2: executive and now candidate for New York Governor Bruce Blakeman

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Speaker 2: talks about what led him to his decision to jump

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Speaker 2: in the race. Political strategist and author Melissa de Rosa

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Speaker 2: talks about the governor's race and what she expects from Zorinmamdani.

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Speaker 2: ABC News contributor Sarah Isker says the founders of the

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Speaker 2: Constitution would be shocked at today's government, and WOOR Movie

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Speaker 2: Minute host Joe Neumeier gives us his top ten movies

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Speaker 2: of the year. But let's start with NASA County executive

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Speaker 2: and now candidate for governor Bruce Blakeman. Bruce, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for talking. I've seen you everywhere over the

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Speaker 2: past couple of days. You've been busy. Congratulations.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much. It's been a very exciting

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: Now you hit the ground running. I think you heard

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Speaker 2: what the governor said about you and aleist a phonic

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Speaker 2: running against each other. Do you want to respond?

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Speaker 3: Sure, listen, I'd rather be a fan of Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: than a fan of Zorn Mandami, which seems to be

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Speaker 3: Kathy Hochel's new pal. She endorsed him, she's embraced him.

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Speaker 3: And you know what's really funny, Larry, what's really funny

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Speaker 3: is she has a primary by her trusted lieutenant who

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Speaker 3: turned on her because even her lieutenant governor thought that

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Speaker 3: she was doing a terrible job as governor of the

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Speaker 3: state of New York. So I find that very funny.

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Speaker 3: And if she wants to attack the Republicans for having

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Speaker 3: a primary, I think she needs to look in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I thought she made a huge mistake

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Speaker 2: politically by coming out so effusively and endorsing Zora and

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Speaker 2: on some regards. I thought that was a mistake. I

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Speaker 2: think most Democrats tried to keep some distance because he's

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Speaker 2: a great campaign or, no question, a great candidate. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure he's going to be a great mayor because

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Speaker 2: half the things he says he's going to do he

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Speaker 2: own that.

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Speaker 3: Well. I agree, Look, she's done a terrible job governing

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Speaker 3: the state. When I go to places like Texas and Florida,

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Speaker 3: South Carolina and North Carolina, but people there are happy.

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Speaker 3: They're happy with their government. As I traveled throughout New

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Speaker 3: York State for the last two weeks and met with

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Speaker 3: people in virtually every part of the state, people are miserable,

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Speaker 3: and they're miserable because of Kathy Hockel. They're miserable because

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Speaker 3: their communities aren't safe. They're miserable because taxes are way

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Speaker 3: too high. They're miserable because there's no opportunity for their

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Speaker 3: children and grandchildren in New York State. I want to

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Speaker 3: do for New York State what I did to Nasau County.

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Speaker 3: Nasa County is the safest county in America according to

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Speaker 3: US News and World Report. We're the most desirable place

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Speaker 3: to live in New York State. According to Niche magazine.

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Speaker 3: I haven't raised taxes one penny in four years. We

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Speaker 3: York State. People are prosperous out here. I met with

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Speaker 3: fact that there isn't the opportunity that they want for

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Speaker 3: So I want to create economic prosperity, work to create

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Speaker 3: and have people come back to New York State, bring

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Speaker 2: Now you're responded to Kathy Hochel. Do you want to

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Speaker 2: respond to Elis Stefanik who said you couldn't control your

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Speaker 3: I'm not running against the lease. I'm running against Kathy Hokeel.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to keep my eye on the ball. I

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Speaker 3: feel that my record speaks for itself. I run a

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Speaker 3: the tenth largest municipal police department in the United States

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Speaker 3: that I run. I have a four point three billion

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Speaker 3: I'm going to run on my record.

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised though, that she took that tenor I was.

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Speaker 2: I thought that the two of you could run a

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Speaker 3: Well, again, I don't know what her thought process was.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't bother me in the least. I got to

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Speaker 2: You're going to have a debate, I'm sure, and you're

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Speaker 2: And Kathy Hochel did have one point in her statement.

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Speaker 2: You are the two of you are a lot alike politically,

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Speaker 2: a lease in yourself, and you would expect that you're

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Speaker 2: both conservatives, you're both part of the MAGA movement. You're

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Speaker 2: the best that people will vote for.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a great question. And here's what I would

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Speaker 3: say to you. In a county with one hundred and

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Speaker 3: ten thousand more Democrats. I won in a landslide by

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Speaker 2: I won.

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Speaker 3: And a typical Republican candidate gets about nine percent of

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Speaker 3: thirty two percent of the African American vote. Now you

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Speaker 3: ask yourself, why are they voting for me? He's a

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Speaker 3: for Bruce? Because I'm not a phony. I never backed

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Speaker 3: away from Trump. But what I did do is I

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Speaker 3: reached out to those communities and I said, listen, we

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Speaker 3: let's talk about what you need for your communities. Let's

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Speaker 3: talk about how we can make a better life for

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Speaker 3: your children and your grandchildren. That's what I'm all about.

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Speaker 3: And we did things in those communities that had never

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Speaker 3: get independent voters, and you've got to get crossover common

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Speaker 3: I can do that, and that's what you need to win,

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Speaker 3: and that's how I would differentiate myself from any other candidate.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like Donald Trump's going to stay out of

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Speaker 2: the race completely. He says, you're both great. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you heard that. He wasn't going to say a bad

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Speaker 2: thing about either of you. He was glowing. Have you

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Speaker 2: talked to him about your decision? And since you made

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Speaker 3: Yes, we've talked, and I talked to the President on

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Speaker 3: a saily regular basis. He is somebody that I admire

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Speaker 3: very much. He's done more in the last eleven months

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Speaker 3: as president than any president in my lifetime. But I

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Speaker 3: don't talk about my conversations with the president. They're confidential,

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Speaker 3: and I keep that confidentiality because I respect his position

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Speaker 3: and basically, I'm not speaking for him, and I don't

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna keep trying. Thanks a lot for coming on, Bruce.

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Speaker 2: I really do appreciate your time. I hope to talk

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Speaker 2: to you again.

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Speaker 3: My friend. It's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: NASA County executive Bruce Blakeman, now Republican candidate for governor.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next, ABC correspondent Sarah Isker on how far

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Speaker 2: our governor has drifted from what the founders of the

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Speaker 1: That's next, now, more of the wor Saturday Morning Show

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Speaker 1: and Larry Minte welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Slowly but surely, the executive branch has claimed more and

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Speaker 2: more power, and it seems Congress has just allowed that

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Speaker 2: to happen. ABC's Sarah Isker says, that's not what the

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Speaker 2: framers of our constitution intended. There is a great article

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Speaker 2: Actually the Supreme Court has a Plan. It's an opinion

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Speaker 2: piece on the growing power, on the growing size and

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Speaker 2: power of the presidency and the continued well impotacy of

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Speaker 2: the Congress. And it's written by Sarah Isker from ABC News.

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Speaker 2: She's a contributor there. She's in Washington with us every

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Speaker 2: Wednesday at this time. If you get a chance, go

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Speaker 2: out and read this. Actually the Supreme Court has a Plan.

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Speaker 2: It's something that we should all be interested in. Sarah,

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Speaker 2: A nice job. It really was a great piece.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, that's very kind.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was, and I think it is a problem

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Speaker 2: that's been around for a long time. This isn't just

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Speaker 2: a Donald Trump thing. The presidency has been getting more

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. I mean, this problem again might go

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Speaker 4: back for one hundred years. But let's just look recently

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Speaker 4: when President Obama said, I have a pen and a phone,

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Speaker 4: and if Congress won't pass, you know, exactly the legislation

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Speaker 4: that I want, I'll just use executive orders to you know,

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Speaker 4: sort of do these things. And from that point forward,

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Speaker 4: Congress realize that they don't have to take hard votes

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Speaker 4: and you know, we move on this pendulum back and

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Speaker 5: You might care.

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Speaker 2: About, right, But how did it happen that Congress allowed

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Speaker 2: itself because I believe that they're willing participants in this,

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Speaker 4: There are lots of fun reasons that we can point to,

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Speaker 4: but the ones that I point to in this, you

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Speaker 4: about one hundred years where Congress was like, Okay, let's

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Speaker 4: have these administrative agencies and experts, and these agencies really

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Speaker 4: keep some strings attached. One of those strings is that

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Speaker 4: be able to remove them, so there won't be like

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Speaker 4: And two, we'll keep a legislative veto so if those

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Speaker 4: oftentimes a single House of Congress vote and say like, no,

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Speaker 4: I don't like that. Including at one point, people who

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Speaker 4: do deport that person? Don't deport that person. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it got really into the weeds. Well, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: mixed that legislative veto power back in nineteen eighty three,

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Speaker 4: but they kept all the laws in place. And then

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Speaker 4: you have the all the power that Congress gave to

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Is the Democratic Party reshaping itself in the

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Speaker 6: One thousand percent can't overstate it enough. I mean, going

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Speaker 6: And the way that they would do that is follow

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Speaker 2: And yet he did give us affordability. I remember when

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Speaker 6: Well, look, affordability is not a new concept, right. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I tell you what, I don't want to diminish

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Speaker 2: Yeah, since you're quoting Bess, and I will so also

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Speaker 6: You know, it's interesting because I actually think that Republicans

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Speaker 2: Boy did did I almost said me, listen to Rosa. Boy.

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Speaker 6: She's got nothing, if not terrible political instincts. And she

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Speaker 2: And now she owns them everything he does, every failure

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Speaker 1: Next back now to the WOOR Saturday Morning Show with

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Speaker 1: Larry Minti.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It's the awards season. But forget the Oscars,

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Speaker 2: the Golden Globes and all those other meaningless awards. The

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Speaker 2: most prestigious achievement for a movie is to make Joe

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Speaker 2: Newmyer's top ten list. And the great thing I think,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know what your list is, Joe, but

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Speaker 2: I think the great thing about your list is we're

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Speaker 2: gonna know some of the movies, unlike the nominations for

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Speaker 2: the Golden Globes.

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Speaker 5: That's right, Larry. And also here's the other thing, though,

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Speaker 5: this is gonna be a different list. I think you're

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Speaker 5: seeing a lot of critics. I mean, I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of critics are going for things like one Bad Laughter,

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Speaker 5: another in Marty Supreme. And I know that obviously those

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Speaker 5: are and those are actually in the bottom five.

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Speaker 3: Of my list.

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Speaker 5: But these movies for the top five that I got

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Speaker 5: to say, these are movies that I really want to

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Speaker 5: shout out to people and say, these are movies to

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Speaker 5: seek out, or there are movies that really really affected

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Speaker 5: me in a lot of ways. So let's start off

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Speaker 5: with number five. Is a small movie that people will

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Speaker 5: see in January. It technically opened in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 5: but it's going to really be going wide in January.

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Speaker 5: It's called Sheep Dog. It's a small film from an

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Speaker 5: actor director named Stephen Graham. It's about a returning veteran

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Speaker 5: of combat wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and his issues

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Speaker 5: coming back to the United States. Virginia Madison co stars

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Speaker 5: in it, and it reminded me a lot of ways

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Speaker 5: of movies like The Messenger or Coming Home or even

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Speaker 5: an American Sniper. In some ways, it's a really, really wonderful film,

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Speaker 5: a great drama. I just want to shout it out

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Speaker 5: to people. We'll be talking more about it probably in

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Speaker 5: about a month when it comes to theater. Then The

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Speaker 5: Yeah Sheep Dog is the name of the film. Then

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Speaker 5: there's a film called The Long Walk, which is number four.

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Speaker 5: That's the Stephen King adaptation, and it's about a you know,

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Speaker 5: a dystopian nineteen seventies. A bunch of young guys have

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Speaker 5: to go on essentially a death walk, and whoever lasts

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Speaker 5: the longest wins. I found it really affecting and really gripping,

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Speaker 5: and I think it was one of the better Stephen

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Speaker 5: King adaptations of recent years. Number three is Germa del

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Speaker 5: Torros Frankenstein, which I don't know if I would have

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Speaker 5: a expected this to be on my list when I

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Speaker 5: read that was coming out. Gierma do Toro is a

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Speaker 5: great director, but this is my favorite Frankenstein. This is

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Speaker 5: the only one we need no more Frankenstein's uh really,

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Speaker 5: it's it's it has a lot of heart, it's really scary,

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Speaker 5: it's really dramatic. I found it really terrific, and it's

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Speaker 5: on Netflix right now if people can't find it. It's

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Speaker 5: really really affecting, though. I thought it was really great.

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Speaker 5: Oscar Isaac Is is Doctor Frankenstein and Jacob A. Lordie

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Speaker 5: is his creature. As much as I love the Boris

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Speaker 5: Carlough Frankenstein from the from the Universal Films of the thirties,

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Speaker 5: this one is really terrific.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take offense with better than any Frankenstein because

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Speaker 2: are you are you young Frankenstein?

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Speaker 5: Oh no, well, well young frank Zinn is heads and

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Speaker 5: tails above everything else, right exactly, putting on the writs.

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Speaker 5: You can't get any better than that, right, So that's.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, Thank god, Okay, I got it right.

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Speaker 5: Number two is Deliver Me from Springsteen. Delivered Me from

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Speaker 5: Nowhere a movie. You and I both like that. It

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Speaker 5: kind of got lost. I think at the end of

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Speaker 5: the year lists Jeremy Allen whyke is a terrific perform

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Speaker 5: So Springsteen and I found it really affecting. I think

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Speaker 5: it's really a solid film that people really should have

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Speaker 5: given more attention to. And my number one film of

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Speaker 5: the year is J Kelly and it's written directed by

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Speaker 5: Noah Baumbach. George Clooney plays an aging movie actor, and

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Speaker 5: Adam Sandler, who's terrific in the film deserves an Oscar nomination,

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Speaker 5: is his manager and they're going to a film festival

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Speaker 5: where the character played by Clooney is going to get

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Speaker 5: an award. And it's about memory and figuring yourself out

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Speaker 5: an identity and how the past affects your presence. I

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Speaker 5: just found it really affecting and beautiful and I think

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Speaker 5: it's a really funny and dramatic film.

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Speaker 3: So J.

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Speaker 5: Kelly is my number one film of the year. And

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Speaker 5: that's the list I don't think you're going to see

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Speaker 5: from a lot of critics this year. I think that

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Speaker 5: list is kind of on its own, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am surprised at the list. I'm not surprised

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Speaker 2: at the Springsteen movie, but everything else that you mentioned, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked. What almost made your list because I think

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Speaker 2: they're the movies I was thinking of, Right.

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Speaker 5: Marty Supreme almost made my list. It comes in at

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Speaker 5: number six. I liked it I just not enough to

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Speaker 5: get into number five. It's from the same filmmakers as

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Speaker 5: Uncut Gems, another great Sandler film, but it's with Timy's Shalomy.

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Speaker 5: Terrific film, just didn't make the list right off. I

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Speaker 5: think it just felt to me like there's sort of

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Speaker 5: a lot going on in there that didn't necessarily need

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Speaker 5: to be in there. And as great as Chalome is,

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Speaker 5: I think it's just a film that sort of just

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Speaker 5: missed the top five. Sinners is another film that I

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Speaker 5: thought was really solid. It's an interesting drama, a scary film.

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Speaker 5: Didn't get make the list quite quite as close. Trained

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Speaker 5: Dreams another one that's a drama that it's sort of

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Speaker 5: a nice, kind of contemplative film that is set in

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Speaker 5: the nineteen twenties. One Battle after Another also almost made

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Speaker 5: the list. And then Hamnet, which is a film about

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Speaker 5: Shakespeare's writing Hamlet for his dead son. It's an intense watch,

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Speaker 5: but it's really affecting. Those are movies I think you're

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Speaker 5: seeing on a lot of critics list. They didn't make

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Speaker 5: it for me. They were in the bottom five. I

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Speaker 5: thought my top five wanted to be I wanted my

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Speaker 5: top five to these things that really affected me, and

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Speaker 5: these were the ones that did.

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Speaker 2: That's great. That's a great criteria as well. You know,

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Speaker 2: I've been trying to avoid talking about the Golden Globes

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Speaker 2: because I think the only reason that people watch the

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Speaker 2: Golden Globes is for Nicki Glazer now, and so I'm right.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it'll get big ratings just for her insulting people,

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Speaker 2: and so that's the only reason to watch it. But man,

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Speaker 2: the nominations. I'm looking at it thinking to myself, I

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Speaker 2: don't know anything on these lists.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a lot of forceful. Here's the other thing

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Speaker 5: about the Golden Globe story, which is that they're put

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Speaker 5: together by one hundred weird foreign journalists and so that

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Speaker 5: you know, and and they they're often kind of easy

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Speaker 5: to buy. So if you send them a T shirt,

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Speaker 5: they'll they'll pretty much put your film on their list.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of how it's been for about the last

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Speaker 5: like forty years with that group. So they nominate really

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Speaker 5: strange things and a lot of foreign films. Right, the

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Speaker 5: Best Motion Picture Drama, Frankenstein's on that list. That's the

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Speaker 5: one that you know is number three for me. Otherwise

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Speaker 5: the rest are films like Sentimental Value, a good film,

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Speaker 5: but it's filmed from Norway. The Secret Agent, it was

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Speaker 5: just an act in films people never heard of. And

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Speaker 5: then the comedy you know, musical or comedy group is

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Speaker 5: another one. Bogonia, Blue Moon, you know, New Bell Vague,

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Speaker 5: no other choice. Those are all movies people who haven't

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Speaker 5: seen one battle after another's on that list, and Marty

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Speaker 5: Supremes on that list. It's been a strange year anyway,

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Speaker 5: so that that caveat.

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Speaker 3: Is in there.

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Speaker 5: But the Golden Globes are always such a thing where

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Speaker 5: it's like you're just showing up to watch the talent

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Speaker 5: kind of have a good time and watch Nicking Glacier,

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Speaker 5: you know, insult people and have a good time on

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Speaker 5: our own. I'm not a big fan of the Golden Globe.

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Speaker 5: They're just waking for the fun of it in terms

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Speaker 5: of of trend setting or really kind of saying what's

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Speaker 5: the best films of the year. That's it's they're too strange.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right, though. I think people don't watch

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Speaker 2: that because they want to see what's going to win

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Speaker 2: best movie at the Golden Globes. I really believe they've

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Speaker 2: just watched it for the host, whether with whether it

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Speaker 2: was Gervais or whether it's the two women from you know,

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Speaker 2: Tina Fey and Polar Polar. You know, that's why they

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Speaker 2: watch it. They watch it for that. Nobody watches for

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Speaker 2: the as an award ceremony or a serious award ceremony.

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Speaker 5: No, And in terms of the Hollywood community, they do

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Speaker 5: kind of get the conversation going a little bit. I'm

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Speaker 5: really glad that they nominated Adam Sandler for Best Supporting

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Speaker 5: Actor for Jake Kelly, because he's he's been overdue for

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Speaker 5: a nomination. I know they sort of sound silly to

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Speaker 5: say because of all of his goofy comedies, but if

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Speaker 5: you look at things like uncut Gems or a lot

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Speaker 5: of his great movies that he's that he's been in,

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Speaker 5: I think that this is sort of the kind of

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Speaker 5: thing that breaks through that that ceiling that a comedy

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Speaker 5: actor needs. So things like that can get the conversation going.

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Speaker 5: But otherwise, in terms of the you know, the validity

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Speaker 5: of their choices, sometimes it's just it doesn't it breaks

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Speaker 5: things down in a way for the industry, but it's

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Speaker 5: nothing that anybody really wants to either see or sort

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Speaker 5: of has a has anything invested interest in you know,

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Speaker 5: no money's on the table for these films.

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Speaker 2: I'm rooting for Adam Sandler. I've heard nothing but great

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Speaker 2: things about him. He's supposed to be the it's just

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Speaker 2: the nicest guy in the world and and gives a

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Speaker 2: lot not only the charities, but gives a lot to

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Speaker 2: his friends and the people on this cast and crew.

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Speaker 2: So he's got a tremendous reputation. I'd love to see

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Speaker 2: him win. W O R movie made at host Joe Neumayer.

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Speaker 2: That wraps up Saturday Morning for this week. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 2: and thanks to Natalie Vodka and Peter Airelano for putting

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Speaker 2: the show together every week. Have a great rest of

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Speaker 2: your weekend.

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