1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Dave will be a long year in just a matter 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: of moments, but hopefully soon. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: Shelby Harrison Studio. What's up, Shell, You look like you 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: got some sleep. 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 3: Some good So I'm talking about some of the best 6 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 3: sleep possible. 7 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 2: You just get that. 8 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: You get the vibe off people when you're around him, like, man, 9 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: you look rested, you look good. 10 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 4: Feel I feel great? Yeah, I definitely feel well rested. 11 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: The value sleep, it's just it's one of those deals 12 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: like when you're younger, and I know you're younger than me, 13 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: but like when you're like in your teen, eighteen, eight years, 14 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, whatever, twenties, right, you'll go sometimes weeks without 15 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: really great sleep, but you you're fine, you can manage. 16 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: You know, you'll take naps when you have to, but whatever, 17 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because you feel like you have an 18 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: endless amount of energy and battery. But then you get 19 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: to your thirties and forties, and again there's some people 20 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: listening right now, like, oh, crime in a river, because 21 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: you know, Dave turned seventy two yesterday, but it just 22 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: feels like it falls off a cliff. 23 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: Now. 24 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: If I don't get a decent night sleep, I gotn't 25 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: sleep well. Last night, I have toake a nap and 26 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: then I'm not you know, I'm not functional for the 27 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: rest of the day. 28 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 4: See yesterday, No, it was there two days ago. My 29 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 4: sleep was really bad, you know what I mean. I 30 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 4: was telling you the story. I put my seatpap inside 31 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: of my my check bag, and that was my mistake 32 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 4: because I didn't get my check back till the next day. 33 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 4: And so it was probably the first. 34 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: Time in. 35 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 4: Five years that I had to try to sleep without it, 36 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 4: and it was the worst night's sleep possible. But then 37 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 4: it got here last night at like eleven pm. You know, 38 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: somebody was listening to me as I was begging. I 39 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 4: was like, if there's a guy in there, please dropped 40 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 4: the seatpap over. They did, and I had the best 41 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 4: night's rest. 42 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 5: It was like Christmas morning for you. I ran, I 43 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 5: ran up the stairs. I ran up the stairs. Literally, 44 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 5: I shared way too much information with the guy dropping 45 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 5: it off. Like I was just really happy to get 46 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 5: that back. 47 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 4: I grabbed it, literally, opened up, grabbed the seapap and 48 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: ran straight server room and I was so happy. 49 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: This is a man that just finished the seventeen game 50 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: season running sprinting up the series. 51 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. 52 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: I'm so I was so happy, like nothing, It was 53 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: nothing better then waking up, you know, after after a 54 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 4: night with that seapath, feeling so refreshed. 55 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: And ready to go. 56 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: Well that's good man. 57 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: Well I'm glad you got some rests and uh yeah, man, 58 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: we're happy to have you here for the show. 59 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: Also fun stuff to get to. We had media Nite 60 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: last night. 61 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Our guy Anthony Rod got all a really fun sound 62 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: for us to react to. And like I said, they 63 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: will be on along here in just a little bit. 64 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: It's some interesting follow up that's happening right now on 65 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: the Davis web stuff. And so I didn't get a 66 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: chance to really absorb much of the local beat reaction 67 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: to the Davis web news until after the show that 68 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: I kind of saw everybody's perspective on it. And then no, no, man, 69 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: you know Ben and Ushi who you you know, I 70 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 1: know who of course was here for a time, came 71 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: back here for. 72 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: All the time. He tweeted out this morning. He says, 73 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: Davis Barot to oc is the best thing possible for 74 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: that building. 75 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Have to assume Sean is going to give up play 76 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: calling now. Sort of an interesting deal, not to say 77 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: just coming from him, but you sort of read the 78 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: tee leaves of several of the other media, like even 79 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: Mike Cliss, who's. 80 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: As close to the team as anybody. He said, while 81 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: there's nothing official, you don't get to keep Davis Webb 82 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: here without something enticing because of some of the opportunities 83 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: he was going to get at other teams, And there 84 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: is something to that. 85 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: You know pretty much for sure he was going to 86 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: have play calling duties at some of these other OC jobs, 87 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: and so in order for him to stay, it has 88 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 4: to be some type of you have to have that 89 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: little carrot in front of him for him to want 90 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 4: to stay. And I don't know what that necessarily will be. 91 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: If it is you know, you have control over certain 92 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 4: situations and or you know, something like that, but it 93 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: has to be something more than just being an OC 94 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 4: by just the title, and obviously you get paid a 95 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 4: lot more money too, but it has to be something 96 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 4: that's going to hold him in place to want to 97 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 4: be here and to further his career. And we all 98 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 4: both know to be able to further his career, he 99 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 4: has to be call him He has to be able 100 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 4: to call plays. That's exactly right, and well, I still 101 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 4: you know, everyone's saying it, but we we still don't 102 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: know if Sean's going to give up to play calling. 103 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: So and a perfect example of what you just said 104 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: was actually illustrated in this hiring cycle because Declan Doyle 105 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: is the offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears and he 106 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: just transferred over to the Baltimore Ravens as offensive coordinator. 107 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: But you know why call place. He gets to call plays. 108 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna call. Ben Johnson's always going to call plays, 109 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: like maybe until he's forever old, right, he's gonna call plays. 110 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that, Declan Doyle. If you want to advance 111 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: your career, you take a lateral because you get to 112 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: call plays. It's not really lateral because now you're building 113 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: towards something which is eventually to be a head coach. 114 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: Because most of the time, if you're not a play caller, 115 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: I don't know you could tell me from a player's perspective, 116 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: but from my perspective as a fan and somebody the 117 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: covering the league, when you're not a play caller, there's 118 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: always that question like, Okay, how much are you involved? 119 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: I know this game plan and you're a sounding board, 120 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: and you, you know, you come up with some of 121 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: the communication with the coaches and the players, but for 122 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: the most part, you're not calling plays. You're not a sequencer, 123 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: which means I'm gonna have to hire a sequencer when 124 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: I hire you. 125 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 4: Well, the way you got to look at it too, 126 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 4: Especially I've been in a lot of situations where the 127 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 4: head coaches calling plays, and I think when I was 128 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 4: in Denver, Vic Sanjos calling plays at Tome, Intel was 129 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 4: just a decordinator. 130 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: That's right. 131 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 4: In Cleveland the last couple of years has been so 132 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 4: fancy calling plays. You had Tommy Reese as a OC, 133 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 4: and as a defensive guy, you're just like, what does 134 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 4: the OC do? 135 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: You know? 136 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 4: And like seriously though, he's just like what does he do? 137 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: Only the guy's an offense would be able to tell you, 138 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 4: because all I see is in OC that doesn't call plays. 139 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 4: But that doesn't necessarily block you from being the head 140 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 4: coach these days. No, as we see from Matt like 141 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: Michae Lafleur, like a guy who doesn't call plays just 142 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 4: got a job, just got a job as a head coach, 143 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 4: and so is he do we know if he's calling 144 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 4: plays in Arizona or if he's gonna give it, so 145 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: this would be the first time he's call him plays. 146 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: In fact, I know he is, because he said he 147 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: made kind of a statement that people took as a 148 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: bit of a shot of Sean Payton. We'll get to 149 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: that in a second, but but yeah, no, that he's 150 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: gonna call plays down there. But the point of it 151 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: is is having that in your arsenal, having that as 152 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: part of the sales pitch, it's significant and it's significant 153 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: for your growth. And so for David Webb, I don't 154 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: know if this is a day one calling plays. And 155 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: we heard from Chris Thomason, who covers the Broncos for 156 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: the Gazette. He said that there's nothing official in the 157 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: language of the contract which would make sense like Davi's. 158 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: Webb's probably not signing a contract with the Broncos are 159 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: not going to guarantee he gets anything. But you have 160 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: to imagine that for Sean, who's now sixty two years 161 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: old and was sort of talking about even right before 162 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: the Bills game, and he's kind of getting older, getting 163 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: the plays in on time has been a little more 164 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: worth a challenge. This just seems like we're we're reading 165 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: the tea leaves, but it just seems like that. And 166 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I have one more thing just for fun. 167 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: So Bodix did that. 168 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: Sort of impromptu press conference last week, and I definitely 169 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: don't get your thoughts on that because I have we 170 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: haven't talked about that yet. But in the midst of 171 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: a question he was asked about Davis Webb. He talked 172 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: for about a minute a half on Davis Webb. But 173 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of that he says something very interesting 174 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: and I sort of filed it away. Now you tell 175 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: me if I'm reading too much into the shelby You, 176 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: you and Dave. We are usually keeping me on task 177 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: on these things because I will read into everything like 178 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: X file style. Hey, I do well, people should choose 179 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: their words carefully. 180 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: They they should, or maybe they. 181 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 4: Do just dive too deep into it and now you're 182 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: looking for the deeper meaning. 183 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you tell me if I am reading too 184 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: deep into the meaning of this. 185 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: So Bonix asked about David wall I. 186 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: I I a lot of nice things, said a lot 187 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: of nice things, but I kind to the part that 188 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: I really wanted to get to, because at the end 189 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: of it, after he just gets done saying, well, if 190 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: he goes to the Raiders, then we'll enjoy playing him 191 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: twice a week or whatever that kind of thing. 192 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: And this is what he said next. 193 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 6: Everything, Uh, you know, it's all gonna work out. The 194 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 6: season is gonna get here. We're gonna have an OC, 195 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 6: we're have a play call, or we're gonna have our 196 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 6: team and we're gonna go out here try to you know, 197 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 6: be our opponents and so but you know, just me 198 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 6: speaking on him, he's awesome coach, awesome, you know, gonna 199 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 6: be an awesome you know whatever. In whatever role he's in, 200 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 6: he's gonna do great things. But whether it's head coach, 201 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 6: whether it's OC, whether it's you know, continue to be 202 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 6: a quarterback, coach and developer, I think he's gonna do 203 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 6: a great job. 204 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: So you heard that, Yes, I okay, So in my 205 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 2: eating too much in the in. 206 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: The middle of all that, he's just all of a sudden, yeah, hey, listen, 207 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: the season will come here. 208 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: We're gonna have RC Because at that point we knew 209 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: Joe Lombardi was fired, Like so the BONEX came on 210 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: after that. At that point, Joe Lombardi's fired, and then 211 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: he drops in there and we'll have our play caller. 212 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, ain't not wrong there, I will, I will. He 213 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: did definitely leave a little tidbit in there. 214 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: But as if they don't have it right now, maybe. 215 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: They know something we don't. 216 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 4: Maybe would you okay, well, do you think they would 217 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: tell the quarterback like you think Sean would be, Like, 218 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 4: I'm I think I'm about to give a play calling, 219 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 4: you know, and then ask him what do you think 220 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 4: about Davis Webber, what do you think about? Also think 221 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 4: Bonus is still young, extremely young. I don't think any 222 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 4: organization or you know what would involve a third year 223 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: quarterback in their plan, like in their plans when it 224 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: comes to like hiring an OC. But I do believe 225 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: he didn't. He said that for a reason, and so 226 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: I'm not. I just don't. And I agree with the 227 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 4: last caller he said, Sean Paynon's a control freak. Hellill 228 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 4: frees over before he gives up play calling. I believe 229 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 4: that too. Like I just believe, like if you tink 230 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 4: of Sean Payton, just think of him calling plays. And 231 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 4: I just don't know if it was the money that 232 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 4: Davis web got that made him stay because obviously, like 233 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 4: you said, there's no language in his contract that shows 234 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: he's going to be a play caller. And if I 235 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 4: had to bet on it today, I would say it 236 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 4: be Sean Payton, okay, And. 237 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't have any reason why to move off of that. 238 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: I just thought it was as we're sort of piecing 239 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: it all together, and then I mixed in what bo 240 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: had said. 241 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: Which we hadn't played on the air yet. 242 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: We spent a lot more time talking about him going 243 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: after Sean for the injury stuff. 244 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, that that struck me as. 245 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: Interesting because he listed it in a thing of that 246 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: we don't have currently, like he's he's he was listing things. 247 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 4: It was no, he was, but you know, just like 248 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 4: Sean Payton came out there was talking about his ankle. 249 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 5: I don't right, you know, Bonis is coming out talking 250 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 5: about the play calling. 251 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 4: You know, Bonix doesn't have an ankles according to Sean Payton, 252 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 4: and Sean Payton doesn't have a play caller. 253 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: So we'll see, let me ask you about that, and 254 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: we don't say. 255 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of airtime last week's 256 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: specific on it, but you have a chance to react 257 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: to it. My take on it very quickly was I 258 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: just thought it was a player sticking up for his 259 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: own health. It was a player that was like, I 260 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: don't want to be labeled as injury prone. 261 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: I don't want people to think that about me. 262 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: I don't want that to be the narrative out there, 263 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: and I'm going to set the record straight. 264 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: That's what it felt like to me, is. 265 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: A player going out there being like my ankle, like, 266 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 4: I don't want this to be a question the rest 267 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: of my career, Like my ankle is fine. You know 268 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 4: what I mean, I don't know, and pretty much like 269 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: I don't know why he would say all that, Like, 270 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 4: my ankle is fine, don't try to use it against 271 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 4: me in contact negotiations, don't try to make it a 272 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 4: big deal anytime anything happens next year. 273 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 3: My ankle is fine. 274 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 4: That's where much him just putting the cobabs short all 275 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 4: that and being like I don't want to hear any 276 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 4: more questions about my ankle. Yeah it got hurt, Well, 277 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 4: I'll be perfectly fine and after that we won't have 278 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 4: any more problems. 279 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So you kind of heard the same thing, Yeah, 280 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. 281 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: I definitely feel like it was a very firm, like 282 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: stop focusing on my ankle. If I want to talk 283 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: about my ankle, I will talk about my ankle. But 284 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: I'm healthy, I'm fine. But also, don't use this against 285 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 4: men years later. And that's really the biggest thing for 286 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: me that I heard was more of like, don't use 287 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 4: this against me later. 288 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: I'm a mobile quarterback. I can run around. 289 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm healthy right right, Because as we've heard from every 290 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: player as long as I've covered the league, which is 291 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: seventeen years, I've never heard a player as soon as 292 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: you bring up injury that wants to lean into that 293 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: and be like, well, that's my excuse, that is why 294 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't perform, or that is why I am this way. 295 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: Because as soon as you start many of those things 296 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: in public, which again your agent would tell you absolutely 297 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: not ever, ever, ever, ever, then it becomes who you 298 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: are and it follows you, and then it's not only 299 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: this contract, is the next contract, and it's like, hey, 300 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: but you know, you talked openly about your ankle issues 301 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: and having three ankle surgeries, and you know you seem 302 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: to be okay sharing there, and he's like, I'm okay sharing, 303 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: but I wanted to stop because I'm going to be 304 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: just fine. 305 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: Well, also teams put into contracts, Yes, they do certain 306 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: if you hurt if you have an injury prone body part, 307 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 4: and if you hurt this body part, you lose all 308 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 4: your guarantees and we actually don't have to cover it. 309 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 4: Look at the Raiders and Jeral McCoy. When Jered McCoy, 310 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 4: what did he tours patel Attendon or was it Yeah, 311 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 4: when towards Petelotend And that wasn't his deal because he 312 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: tore it, I believed the year before. And so they 313 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: were like, if you hurt this again, then we're not 314 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 4: liable for it, and you're in. Then it's you can't 315 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 4: file anything on us, and and we could just cut 316 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 4: you and have no guaranteed money left. And that's exactly 317 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: what they did after he got hurt. It's cold, and 318 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: so yeah, it's a cold business. And so I understand 319 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 4: Bone being like, no, no, no, no, do not bunch 320 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 4: me in with that. 321 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: Do not, because then the next contract negotiation would somehow 322 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: include an ankle provision. 323 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: Well, you got to think it's going to be at 324 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 4: least MRI. You're gonna do expert, you're gonna do everything 325 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 4: on his ankle. And as a quarterback, you know, as 326 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: a mobile quarterback. That's not That's a death sentence, no 327 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 4: doubt about. It's like it's Lamar Jackson, I had like 328 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 4: a chronic ankle issue. Would people be People wouldn't be 329 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: jumping at Lamar Jackson when he become fridge, even though 330 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 4: they didn't last time, but you know, people. 331 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: Wouldn't be jumping out, I mean it need We talked 332 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: about more how. 333 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: The falcons and pans and everyone said, I don't want 334 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 4: a quarterback. 335 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: I'm losing. 336 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 4: And we talked about how the NFL doesn't collude. Oh god, 337 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: oh that's a story. That's a story for another day. 338 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 4: But like that would be a death stinist for Lamar Jackson. 339 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: That wouldn't That wouldn't be a great thing to be 340 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 4: carrying around. 341 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: That's not the good baggage. 342 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: So it's so good for both either who was at 343 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: this point you saw the difference, and there's a multiple differences. 344 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,239 Speaker 2: But Jared Sidham plunging into the exact same. 345 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: Offense did not have the mobility, did not have the 346 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: ability to escape out of the pocket and survive moments 347 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: that the offensive line had miscommunications or whatever. Like those 348 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: things happened in that AFC Championship game. And I know 349 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: that you won't admit to it, even though Dave and 350 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I have told you very plainly that you're wrong. 351 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: But if bo Nix is in that game, they win, 352 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: and not only do they win. 353 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: They function a lot better because some of those free 354 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: rushers that usually come at bon Nicks that he escapes 355 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: from Jared could. 356 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 4: Not Yeah, you're not wrong. Is it would turn out 357 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: to be a different game. I'm just not quick to 358 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: just be like, oh, they would win your Patriots, because no, 359 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 4: because you have to play football. Yeah, we don't just 360 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 4: annoint anything in football. You still have to go there 361 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: and win the game. And so that's one reason why 362 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that Patriots will win. I'm just saying 363 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: I would love to see that game that that's really 364 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: more of the story. I'd I just can't substitute one player, 365 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 4: even though it is at quarterback. It's only just because 366 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: the best part of that Patrio's team was their defense, 367 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: so that would have been a tough defense for bo 368 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 4: Nicks to have to play against. Also, now do they 369 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: still couldn't run the ball, So that requires that bo 370 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: Knicks would have had to go out there and been 371 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: Superman all pro bo exactly. He would have had to 372 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 4: have been all pro bo in order to win, and 373 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: I do believe he can do that, but we don't know. 374 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 4: So I'm not just gonna anoint the Denver Broncos just 375 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: because we are in our heads exchanging Jared sidem for 376 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 4: bow Knicks. 377 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: This ultimately feels like one more version of you telling 378 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: me that you were right all along. That's what it 379 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: really feels like, because up until that game, you quite. 380 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: Literally told me over and over again. Man, I just 381 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: don't know. Man, backup, quarterback, plugged in is not gonna 382 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: be the same. 383 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: And here I was, with all the hopium in the 384 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: world and trying to believe and pull myself through a 385 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: very difficult time, uncles fans through a very difficult time. 386 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: You have, you know, come back on the other sides 387 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: that I mean, you know, I told you so. 388 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: I like to be realistic and it's nothing against Jared Sidham. 389 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 4: And then it was just the way the offense had 390 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 4: already been all year, and you lose the dynamic playmaking 391 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: ability of bow Knicks. Yeah, that's scary because this team 392 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 4: has operated on close games the whole year, where bow 393 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 4: Knicks has had to make a play to bail them 394 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 4: out of situations to win the game. 395 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: So it was a great call. 396 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 4: A Greg guess it'd be like the offense might struggle 397 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 4: without that that playmaking ability of Bonnicks. 398 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: But you know what, we came to the end of 399 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: this thing, and there's there's going to be criticism. I 400 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: mean every quarterback maybe with the exception of like Mahomes, 401 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: but even Mahomes had a tough year, so there's probably 402 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: plenty of criticism. 403 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: But this year Bonis was a bit of a lighting 404 00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 2: rod right around the lead. 405 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: I mean even here locally, there were some people that 406 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: were like, I don't know, I'm not so sure, and 407 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: then say people that were like, that's our guide out, 408 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: no matter what. But then you see that stark contrast 409 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: in that one game, and there seems to be a 410 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: lot more people going like, oh man, we underestimated how 411 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: much Bonis did for this offense and. 412 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: That that game. 413 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: I think now, I don't know, it's not gonna change everybody, 414 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: but I do think because I even heard some national 415 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: podcasts af the fact being a lot nicer about bon 416 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: Nicks and his functionality in this offense. 417 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 4: He makes the offense go. The little going that they did. 418 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 4: He makes the offense go, and just the idea of 419 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 4: they were in so many close games throughout the season. 420 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 4: If you take out one of the main players in that, 421 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 4: that close game now becomes flipped the other way where 422 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 4: the other team wins. And that's really more of why 423 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 4: I was such a I believed in the Patriots right 424 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: in the last game, because every game the Broncos have 425 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 4: played has been a one score, three point some type 426 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 4: of game. You can directly correlate that with your starting 427 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 4: quarterback and those extra plays that he makes with his legs, 428 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 4: just going around, scrambling, looking downfield, fighting Colton sudden down 429 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 4: the field for thirty yards. Those type of plays. Now, 430 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 4: you did see Stidham do that with Marvin Mims in 431 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 4: the beginning game. That was pretty much it, you know 432 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 4: what I mean. You saw that little flash and it 433 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 4: gave you a little bit of hope. I know, Ryan, 434 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 4: I know it gave you a little hope when you 435 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 4: saw that play and that that was it. That was 436 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 4: a nice Yeah, it was a great play. It was 437 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 4: a mount of juice and the extra that a Stidam 438 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 4: could give you off of not playing all season. But 439 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 4: then you had a bow Knicks who literally it seemed 440 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 4: like he did he pulled a rabbit out of hat 441 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 4: every game and somehow set the team up to win. 442 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 4: And you lose that type of playmaking, it'd be hard 443 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 4: to win. 444 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: Well back to for a moment with Davis Webb, it'll 445 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: be interesting because he Chuck Payton likes to go out to 446 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: a row specifically took to Kay Adams. I imagine that 447 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: question is gonna come up. Kay, We'll get as close 448 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: to an honest answer as possible. I mean, Sean laid 449 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: out the entire offseason plan for the Broncos last year. 450 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: At the Super Bowl, He's like, yeah, you know, I 451 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: want a joke her, which they kind of did whatever, And. 452 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: I actually was the most surprising thing was he went 453 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 4: on and gotten em an Ingram, but you didn't really 454 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 4: use it everything. 455 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: It's weird, right, you know what I mean? 456 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 4: Like it was so much, you know, talk about how 457 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 4: you need to joke her about how Evin Ingram speed 458 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 4: is going to really open up this offense and this 459 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 4: is the Jimmy Graham, this is the guy that they've 460 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 4: been missing. 461 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 3: And then that was it. 462 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: That was some of those kind of it. I mean 463 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: do you know how many receptions he actually had? How 464 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 2: many you wanna take a guess he was a very 465 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: quiet number. 466 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: I'd say twenty five fifty oh halfway there. 467 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I know, but I'm what I'm saying 468 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: like it felt more like twenty five or thirty you said, 469 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: feels like more reality. But you're like, oh, fifty catches 470 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: for four hundred and sixty one yards. So the yardage 471 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: is the shocking number. 472 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, But sometimes, especially with tight ends, it takes you 473 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 4: a little bit to fall and to find your place, 474 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 4: especially in a new offense. But the crappy part about 475 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 4: it is when you're getting paid, you know, they they 476 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 4: don't wait for you to figure out your spot. You 477 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: got to go in there and make, you know, and 478 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 4: make a plays right away. Otherwise they go to the draft. 479 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: And I think they're gonna be going to the draft 480 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: for a tight end, no doubt about it. 481 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: All Right, we're off early here on Tuesday. Today, will 482 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: be along here Shorley Shelby Harrison's studio. 483 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: So fun sound last night. I give it. 484 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: Up to h I think it's a Dave Damnshek who 485 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: always asks the is this a must win game? 486 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: To one of the coaches. So he asked it to. 487 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel, and Rabel actually gave you, like an honest response. 488 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: He's like, he actually gave a better response than I 489 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: probably would have. I brought it with like, are you 490 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: seriously it's a must winning game. But you get the 491 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: weirdest questions, but I give it up. 492 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 3: Ari I. 493 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: Anthony Rodd asked some really good questions, and let's start 494 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: here with Drake May. 495 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: He asked Drake May about bo Nicks. They're in the 496 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: same draft class. Here's what Drake May had to say. 497 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 5: It's unfortunately what happened to bow and you know what 498 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 5: a player he is, what a season he had now 499 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 5: unfortunate ending. 500 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 3: But I know he'll be. 501 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 2: Back, you know, special player. 502 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: I know we'll have so many battles down the road. 503 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 7: I think we play the fc AFC West next year, 504 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 7: so I think we're gonna get a matchup, so praying 505 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 7: for him. 506 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: I know he's on the road of recovery. But I 507 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: think it'd be pretty cool. 508 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 7: To see, you know all, it's a great quarterbacks in 509 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 7: the league, a chance to go up against them. 510 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: This draft class is pretty good. 511 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this already already. 512 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: With Caleb Drake Jane Daniels. I mean a bit of 513 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: a tough year this last year, but don't forget. 514 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 4: I still think JJ McCarthy has the tools at least, 515 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 4: and he's in the perfect situation with the QB whisper 516 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 4: that everybody you know claims, from Daniel Jones to Sam Donald. 517 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 4: I think you know JJ McCarthy. His only issue obviously 518 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 4: an experience and he's an injury problem. 519 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: You're not just saying that for me, right, because I 520 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: was like a day one JJ McCarthy guy, Oh my god, Yes, 521 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: and I've been getting crushed for it because he's so 522 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: far struggled in his early career and so much. On 523 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: Draft knight, I really wanted the Broncos to get JJ McCarthy, 524 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: but they decided they didn't like him. They like Bonus better, 525 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: which is fine, which fine, Sewn's call, right, But I 526 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: had a moment on draft night where I was a 527 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: little bit bummed because I wanted JJ, and Dave gives 528 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: me so much flax, so does Ben. 529 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: They made you want JJ just because he was a 530 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 4: winner in college or it was a little bit of 531 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 4: fresh off the national championship and he really didn't have to. 532 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: Do much and I gotta be honest, I fell in 533 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: love at the Combine when we got a chance to 534 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: meet him. At the combine, you get to meet all 535 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, you get to meet everybody out there, and 536 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: I was like, this guy, this guy's awesome, Like I 537 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: just want to like I want to hang out with him. 538 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: Romance kind of. I'm just kidding, but like I was like, 539 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is this is this is 540 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: my quarterback right here. I love J J. Mccar. But 541 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: then you know, it didn't work out. I'm with you, though, 542 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: I'd say you get. 543 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: A little bit of runway because you're a first rounder. 544 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: So he's gonna have a little bit of time. Although 545 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: new GM who. 546 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 4: Knows right exactly, a new GM that's not married to him, 547 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 4: and we will see him. I feel like he'll still 548 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: at least get a shot this year. I don't think 549 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 4: you can justify drafting a like a quarterback this year 550 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 4: in a. 551 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: Awful quarterback draft. 552 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: Probably not. 553 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 4: You know, it's not like this is like the draft 554 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 4: room before, where you have five guys who you could 555 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 4: believe that can run your franchise. Right now there's one. 556 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: Well, maybe you take a Garrett net Meyer on day 557 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: two or something like that. You just buy into a living. 558 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: It's a lot like Garrett Desmeier was like, uh, Senior 559 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: Bowl MVP. 560 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: Great for him, but what he like the issue is, 561 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 4: you know they have tape for a reason. Oh boy, 562 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 4: you know, and you know a lot of NFL evaluators 563 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 4: don't like to you know, just look at the tape. Okay, 564 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 4: look at the tape. You know what it's just look 565 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 4: at it. Look at the tape. Look at the reads. 566 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 4: Not just so three days a's senior ball. Okay, you 567 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 4: know what I mean. But also though, like that's fine, 568 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: but are you going to bet the house on him? 569 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. You bring him in as 570 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: a supplement competition with JJ like is in. You bring 571 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: him in if you can get him in the third 572 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: round or something along this line. Now, that's that's all 573 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It's like, because you're not going to 574 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: go into the season and regardless with j J. McCarthy 575 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: as the only option, kick is still going to hurt like. 576 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 3: A whold lot. 577 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 2: But you okay, maybe go vet routes, right. 578 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 4: I mean I would understand their bringing a vet like 579 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins. No, I would say, a VET that will 580 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 4: not necessarily threaten your rookie. No, you're not rookie anymore. 581 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 4: He's going into a thirty year but but someone that's 582 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 4: not necessarily going to threaten your third year young guy. 583 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 4: But then also it's going to bring some knowledge and 584 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 4: is willing to work with them that really helped them 585 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 4: understand the game of football. 586 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, And you're right. The level of. 587 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 1: The backup right or the VET is significant because if 588 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: you bring in, say Kirk Cousins, there's gonna be a 589 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: lot of people, especially in the locker room, like, JJ, 590 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: I give me Kirk Cousins, Well. 591 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: They have a defense sets, No that that's playoff ready. 592 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: You know that Cleveland rounds good, but it's well, it's. 593 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 4: Hard to be Cleveland Brown's good and when you don't 594 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 4: have a big shell to go. But what I will say, though, 595 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 4: is what will and this is I guess it would 596 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 4: be the most ironic thing is JJ McCarthy goes and 597 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 4: has like, oh, bro, you the next year and you 598 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 4: fired the GM you know what? 599 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: I feel like that would be bad. 600 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 4: Like some of his players actually go out there and 601 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 4: start balling out next year and it's like, oh, oh, 602 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 4: who picked you? 603 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that might not age appropriately. Here's the Mike Rabels town. 604 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: By the way, is this a must win game? 605 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: A must windy? 606 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: Every time we go out is a must win game? 607 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 7: I mean it's it's kind of the attitude that I've 608 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 7: always taken in the National Football League. 609 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: Again, Mike Rabel gave a much better response than I 610 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: think a lot of us would be, Like it's the 611 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. 612 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 3: Imagine like Sean Pagon in that question. 613 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 2: Oh my god, now now my brain this exploded. It's like, oh, 614 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 2: just the stare I would need, I would need like 615 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 2: Chris Thomason, or I would need Luca Evan. I need 616 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: one of the guys that like he likes to spar 617 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: with to ask that question. 618 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 3: If Luca goodness, if Lucas alright. 619 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: Luca, Hi, Luca Evans? Just is this a must win game? 620 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: Sean? So get this guy out of here, now, man Daggers. 621 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: Here was Anthony Rod asked Stefan Diggs because he was 622 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: actually close to becoming a Bronco. 623 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if you knew that it was. It 624 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: was no clue for Ian Rappaport said it was down 625 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: to the Broncos and the Patriots first upon Digs. 626 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 3: Oh, that would have been interesting. 627 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: That would have been interesting. Here's what he had to 628 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: say about that. 629 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 7: I just got a good relationship with somebody asked something 630 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 7: this down he was he was in Buffalo, so Nancy 631 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 7: taught me to offense in Buffalo. He spent a lot 632 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 7: of time with me, so here was close. But just 633 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 7: like everything, you know, we were just trying to figure 634 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 7: it out. So me Andy and I'm playing all the 635 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 7: teams that I was. I was doing your olds every 636 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 7: played never play Houston. I was in Houston before, so 637 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 7: you know, I'm on experience without like I learned from experience, 638 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 7: like all that, I could have still been in Houston 639 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 7: if I never got hurt. I could have still been 640 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 7: in Houston if I did to take whatever language in 641 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 7: our contract from my three year to the point. 642 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: You're like, a lot of things could be different. So 643 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: I don't think nothing happens obviously, were there any additional factors? 644 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: Maybe playing with bone Nicks is that something he maybe 645 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: thought about doing. I was just thinking about it. 646 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 3: Overall. 647 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: I think Sean pay Bonigs is having for it. I 648 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: don't get don't get me wrong, but I think Sean 649 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: Pam got a lout respect for him as a as 650 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: somebody call it, he doesn't honor all the time. 651 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 7: So it was more so like just they had a 652 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 7: good they have big, good situation and have a great organization, 653 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 7: you know, win an organization as. 654 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: Well, you know Stefan Diggs. Stefan Diggs would have made 655 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: the seem better as much as as much as I've 656 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: heard about his personality in the locker room, you get 657 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: to that last game and and the necessity of having 658 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: more talent the wide receiver room really showed out. 659 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 4: I think the easiest you know, comparison, easiest way to 660 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 4: even look at this is like we see how Sean 661 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: gets Courtland the ball. Just imagine if you have both 662 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 4: of them, and then you have Marvin Nims it's over 663 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 4: here flying up, you know, down the field, and then 664 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 4: it just adds another veteran, reliable receiver into the mix 665 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 4: where when things break down, which happens to Lava Bow 666 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 4: next when he starts to scramble, you have another guy 667 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 4: that's open, ready for the ball, that knows how to 668 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 4: get open for those scramble drills and has played with 669 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 4: good quarterbacks, and that right there would have been a 670 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 4: very interesting little combo right there. I think they would 671 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 4: have been a very successful team right there. 672 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: Are you trying to say that they would be in 673 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl right now? They asked Von Diggs here. 674 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 675 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 4: Them, he was hurt. We lost to Carson Wentz. But 676 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 4: I know right, oh my goodness. But like JJ McCarthy, 677 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 4: it just seems like he could run. You know, he 678 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 4: has a good arm. Is this a matter of can 679 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 4: we see him play seventeen games and then then you 680 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 4: can make a decision. 681 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, By the think next year is his last shot. 682 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: It almost has to be right, Next year's his. 683 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 4: Last shot, unless again, it's another back QB draft, he 684 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 4: might get another one. If it was a better QB draft, 685 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 4: they would draft somebody this year. They would try to 686 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: trade up and draft somebody this year. 687 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: Next year's quarterback draft might be really, really good. 688 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 4: Well that's what they said about this one too. So 689 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 4: I don't believe it until we get into it. Because remember, 690 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 4: it was supposed to be arch manning. It was all 691 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 4: these it was all these guys that we thought were 692 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 4: going to be our our archpanning. It was supposed to 693 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 4: be the biggest for No, Mendoza was nowhere on this list. 694 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: Or Sellers. 695 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and now it's going to be one of the 696 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 4: worst ones we've seen in a while. 697 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: Listen, you're you're right about all of it, except for 698 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: those guys were all almost going to have to come 699 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: out next year. That's that's why I say that it's 700 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be a better year. 701 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: But again, you know, you're right. 702 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: You put all your eggs in the basket of hoping 703 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: to get a quarterback in the twenty twenty seven draft, 704 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: and then suddenly a couple of those guys get hurt 705 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the year, or you know, there's 706 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: multio reasons why it could certainly shift, So I understand 707 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: it right. 708 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 4: Well, the one guy I guess you you can't wait 709 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 4: to see is the Norse Sellers because that's what everyone 710 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 4: thought Anthony Richardson was going to be. But Anthony Richardson 711 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 4: didn't have any reps. Well, North Sellers has the reps 712 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 4: in college, and he has the body of work where 713 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 4: you can feel way more comfortable drafting a guy like 714 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 4: that than he would have before when you did take 715 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 4: a project in Anthony Richardson, who's too can have a 716 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 4: good career in this league. He just has to find 717 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 4: somebody that believes in him, you know, obviously not the Colts. 718 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: Well, and that's everything, right, the pairing with the coach, 719 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the reason why Bonix is having the success 720 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: he is, and I don't think anybody's selling it otherwise 721 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: would be disingenuous. Bon Nix is successful in part, in 722 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: huge part because Sean Payton, right, and I'd say the 723 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: other way around too. I mean, like Sean finding a 724 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: quarterback that he wants to work with and then he 725 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: can sort of instill a lot of his qualities also 726 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: is very valuable, and that Bonix could pick up on 727 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: those things. They need each other, right, But if Bonis 728 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: would have gone to a lot of other teams, who knows, 729 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: you You never know until they're there. And so perfect 730 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: example as well, Caleb Williams in year one. It wasn't great, right, 731 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: But that's a weird deal Oftentimes when a coach is 732 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: already on the hot seat and it gets to draft 733 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: a quarterback. 734 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: I never never liked that. It never makes any sense 735 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: to me. Same thing that happened with the Tennessee Titans. 736 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: You know, you're selecting cam Ward first overall, and the 737 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: coach is already in the hot seat, there's already discussion 738 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: about how they might get somebody else as soon as 739 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: next year, And sure enough, halfway through the season, they're 740 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: firing the coach and you're gonna have to give that 741 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: new rookie quarterback a whole new coaching staff, a whole 742 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: new playbook, whole new scheme, and they're gonna have to 743 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: somehow figure it out. 744 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: No good for Caleb to pick up on it and 745 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: do well. Doesn't always It's not always the case. So 746 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: that way is it? 747 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 3: Well. 748 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing that we don't that we 749 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 4: just don't, you know, take on head on. It's how 750 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 4: crappy coaches are in the NFL. And we talk about 751 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 4: how players. The players have kind. 752 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 3: Of falling a level. So is the coaching. 753 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 4: The coaching fails the players more than the players failed 754 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 4: the coaches. And we will never get away from it. 755 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 4: But until we get away from hiring our buddies and 756 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 4: assembling and trying to actually assemble the best staff possible, 757 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 4: not just our best friends we're trying to put on, 758 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: you're going to continue seeing this over and over and 759 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 4: over again. We hear about it NonStop. That look at 760 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 4: the Raiders situation, you know, what I mean. We hear 761 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 4: about the Raiders situation about how the legacy with you know, 762 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 4: Pete Carro on the Sun and his son actually ends 763 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 4: up being the problem and the GM and they're holding 764 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 4: secret meetings because the online coach is a problem. 765 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 3: Like this is what players have to go through. 766 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 4: And you think they're supposed to to be successful and 767 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 4: then one of the most cerebral positions out there and 768 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 4: you don't have a cerebral coach. You don't have a 769 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 4: guy that can really help you know, fast track you 770 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 4: to actually learning the NFL's offenses and most importantly defenses. 771 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 4: This is a real issue in the NFL, and until 772 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 4: these coaches actually prove they want to win and stop 773 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 4: just hiring their buddies, you're going to see coaches fail 774 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 4: players over and over again.