1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: I am Paul's ice. I'm in for Mark Madden. I'll 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: do my best to sort of try and keep the 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: train rolling for the best in the business that would 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: be Mark. Of course, he's off, so you're stuck with 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: me and hopefully we have a good time here for 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: the next four hours. I had to laugh on my 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: way down here because I am amazed had I had 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: the unfortunate maybe fortunate, I don't know. I had the 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: unfortunate experience of stopping in town, and I'm amazed that 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: was actually more out like Oakland. So I say design, 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm amazed. Five days after the snowstorm and it's still 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: a mess, and then we change my ears or something. Anyway, 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm Paul's Ice. We've got lots to get to today. Obviously, 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: Steelers continue to build their coaching staff. One hire in 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: my in particular, seems to have everybody all excited, and 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm just not sure why. We've got Josh Joey coming 17 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: on to talk about the Penguins, and of course the 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: Penguins won again last night. They have made it very 19 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: difficult for Kyle Dubis to stay on the rebuilding train. 20 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about with Josh about that, 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you think about it, 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: they have and they have made it really difficult to 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: continue to try and rebuild. And we're gonna talk with 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: Josh about this, but I'm to the point now where 25 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: they might have to add at the trade deadline. I 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: know it's crazy, but they've played really well the last 27 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: five games, and they look like a team that could 28 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: actually compete if they just added a couple of little pieces. 29 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: We will talk about that. We'll talk a little bit 30 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: about Bill Belichick and and one of the things that 31 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: drives me crazy about these Hall of Fame voters, You're 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: not that important. You understand that you're not that important. 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: They all want to be the arbiters of a morally, 34 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: they all want to get on a soapbox. Meanwhile, some 35 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: of the voters are some of the worst human beings 36 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: you've ever met. But it's time probably to get away 37 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: from media voting for these kinds of things. It really is. 38 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: And I think one of the biggest things is when 39 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: media consistently becomes a part of the story, then they're 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: not doing their jobs. I mean, I know, I'm a dinosaur, 41 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: and I'm an old you know, an old school journalist guy, 42 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: and then you know, the media business out for thirty years. 43 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: I've been a journalist, let's see, since ninety four, So 44 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: what is that thirty one years, thirty two years. There's 45 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: still a right way and the wrong way to do things. 46 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: I know we're not supposed to say that, we're not 47 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: supposed to be that, but there's still a right way 48 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: and a wrong way to do things. And one of 49 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: the most important things about being a journalist is never 50 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: being a part of the story. And guess what, after 51 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: every one of these Hall of Fame votes, when you 52 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 1: have to have these these guys who have to go 53 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: on and write the story about why I voted the 54 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: way I voted, You're becoming a part of the story. 55 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: So to me, that's the problem. I don't care why 56 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: you voted the way you voted. That's just self importance, 57 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: and it's it's you know what. So we'll talk a 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: little bit about that a little bit later. We're also 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about this pending divorce between Cutch and 60 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: the Pirates. I know Mark had some very strong thoughts 61 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: about it, and you know, I get it, I understand it, 62 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: but I have some different thoughts about it. I think that. Honestly, 63 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: when you're a guy who has given as much to 64 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: the organization as he has, when you're a guy that's 65 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: been as important as he has, there's a certain way 66 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: you treat those players. You treat them a lot differently 67 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: than you treat other players. And you know, I think 68 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: that when you look at the way that other players 69 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: in that situation have been sort of pushed out the door. 70 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: There's a right way to do it, in a wrong 71 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: way to do it. I mean, the Steelers have had 72 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: to do it multiple times unfortunately, and there people say, wow, 73 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, cuts he should be self aware enough that 74 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: he wants to hang it up. Well, guess what, when 75 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: you're at that level, when you're at that level as 76 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: a human, when you're at that level of any in 77 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: any walk of life, it's not always easy to say, yeah, 78 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. No I'm not good enough anymore. 79 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: I want to walk away. Because it's all he's ever known. 80 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: It's no different than Ben Roethlisberger, no different than you 81 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: know how many other guys that wanted to continue to 82 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: play and the team basically said, nah, we're done, so well, 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: get into that a little bit. Of course, we'll continue 84 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: to talk about Mike McCarthy, the Steelers and what they're 85 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: doing with respect to their coaching staff. And you know, 86 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: I wrote today in the Post Causid I wrote a 87 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 1: column today about the fact that this is the first time, 88 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: this is the first time since before Chuck Noll, and 89 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: I didn't even go past Chuck Noll, first time that 90 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator of the Steelers is going to be 91 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: working for an offensive coach. Chuck Noll was a defensive 92 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: coordinator of the Colts before he became the Steelers coach. 93 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: Bill Kaher was a defensive coordinator of the Chiefs before 94 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: he became the Steelers coach. Mike Tomlin was a defensive 95 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: coordinator of the Vikings before he became the Steelers coach. 96 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: And why is that significant? Because all of the defensive 97 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: coordinators since nineteen sixty nine have worked for a defensive coach. 98 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: They've worked for a defensive coach. 99 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: Now. 100 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: And if we're believing, you know, we're to believe all 101 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: these reports, here comes Patrick Graham and for the first 102 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: time there's a lot of pressure on the defensive coordinator here. 103 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: You know, the coaches that were here in the past 104 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: since nineteen sixty nine have all been from that side 105 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: of the wall, and that had to have an effect 106 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: on personnel decisions. It had to have an effect on 107 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: you know who they decided they were going to sign 108 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: or trade or draft or whatever. But now it's going 109 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: to be probably a little bit different because Mike McCarthy 110 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: probably is going to want some different pieces in different 111 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 1: players and it's not going to be let's just dump 112 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: all of our money and all of our star power 113 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: under the defensive side of the ball. So it's going 114 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: to be interesting because again, Patrick Graham is the first 115 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator the Steelers have had since before Chuck Knowle. 116 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: That isn't working with a defensive coach. I mean, if 117 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: you were you know, name them, Bruce Arians, Todd Haley, 118 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: Randy Feekner, you know, Matt Canada, Arthur Smith. You know, 119 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: if you were one of those guys, chan Gaily we 120 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: could keep. If you're one of those guys on the 121 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball and you were the Steelers, 122 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, a coach for the Steelers, you incurred all 123 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: of the wrath of the fans. Think about it. The 124 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators have always been protected by the head coach, 125 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: which is why we have always had a real problem 126 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: in this town, or at least many fans have with 127 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinators because the offensive coordinators were actually running 128 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: the show. But think about it in recent years, I 129 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: mean Tarot Austin great dude, and I think he's a 130 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: really good football coach. Basically almost almost anonymous, because if 131 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: you think about it, the defense was viewed as Mike 132 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: Tomlin's defense. The defense was viewed as you know, Tarrell 133 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: Austin is just sort of a placeholder and Mike Tomlin 134 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: is the one that is really pulling the strings. Of course, 135 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that were on the 136 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin training which is why I came about with 137 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: the nickname Teflon Tomlin, who in the defense failed would 138 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: blame Tarot Austin. When the defense was great, it was 139 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: because Mike Tomlin was the greatest defensive guru mind in America. Yeah, 140 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: I call that the the Teflon Tomlin effect. But at 141 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we all know. Everybody knows. 142 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: You know that Palmlan was the architect of the defense 143 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: and probably during a lot of games actually called defenses. 144 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: He admitted as much during Keith Butler. I remember him 145 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: probably most people. Most of you probably don't remember him, 146 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: but when Keith When Keith Butler was the defensive coordinator, 147 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: Mike Tumman admitted as much. So my question is, now, 148 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: if you think about it, my question is really very simple, 149 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: and that is, are we going to pile on the 150 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator if things don't go well like we have 151 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: traditionally over the course of time with the offensive coordinator. 152 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: Now that it's an offensive coach that's running the show, 153 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: that's going to be to me, one of the most 154 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: interesting dynamics that we see with the Steelers is the 155 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: shift from the the defensive coordinator being the one that 156 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: is protected to the defensive coordinator being the one who 157 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: is probably going to incur the wrath of most of 158 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: the fan base. I think that's going to be very 159 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: very interesting, especially if the defense isn't very good and 160 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: you know, we know there's gonna be a lot of 161 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: issues with the defense. We know that it's built around 162 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: old guys, build around some contracts are gonna be tough 163 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: to move away from. Build around guys who if you 164 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: look at their name on paper, it's probably a lot 165 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: better than when you're getting on the field. That's the 166 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: key to me, it's going to be difficult. I think 167 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: for Patrick Graham to really put together a defense that 168 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: is that it's going to be really successful and when 169 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: it's not successful. When it's not successful, is he going 170 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: to incur the rath like Matt Canada and Arthur Smith 171 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: and Randy Fiekner and Todd Haley and all the other 172 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: offensive coaches because they are the ones that aren't protected 173 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: by the head coach. That to me is going to 174 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: be one of the most interesting things and interesting dynamics. 175 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 1: It's not going to be as simple as it used 176 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: to be where we can blame the offensive coordinator because 177 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: the bottom line is the offensive coordinator is now the 178 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: head coach. The offensive coordinator is now the guy. The 179 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: guy calling plays is also now that the head coach. 180 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: Completely different than it used to be, completely different than 181 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: it was from nineteen sixty nine until the end of 182 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: this past season. I don't know if my math is correct, 183 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: but that's about fifty six years the Storers have done 184 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: it one way. Now we're talking about doing a completely 185 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: different way. I do find it amazing, however, that sometimes 186 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: when and you know, there's a new coach that's hired 187 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: and he wants to bring in certain assistance. There's always 188 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: one or two assistants that people say, ah eh, And 189 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: then there's always one or two assistants that people say, 190 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: this is a fantastic hire, This is as great as 191 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: it gets. This is the best hire they could ever make. 192 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: And there's one guy right now that's on the radar 193 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: who all of the sudden has vaulted himself into If 194 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: they don't get him, oh boy, watch out. If they 195 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: get him, watch out. If they don't get him, it's 196 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: a real problem because he's an up and coming guy 197 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: that is really smart and he's done great things. I'll 198 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: talk about who that is next. First we got to 199 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: get to break here. It's the Mark Madden Show, one 200 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: of five ninety csh You know, I don't care for 201 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: a Notre Dame fan or not, but Lou Holtz is 202 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: a legendary figure in college football, has been for a 203 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: long long time, sort of a lovable old coach, actually 204 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: the last coach that won a national title at Notre Dame. 205 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: He is entering hospice care, so that's never a good thing. 206 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: Eighty nine years old, so prayers to him and his family. 207 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: The other item of sad news Catherine O'Hara, who most 208 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: of you probably know as the mother from those Home 209 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Alone movies. She has passed away at age seventy one. 210 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: So she's an actually absolute legend in the film industry. 211 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: And of course she was also in Beetlejuice if you 212 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: happen to remember that movie. Just a legend in so 213 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: many ways. Seventy one years old, so she has passed away. 214 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: Lou Holtz is still alive, but he's entering hospice care 215 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: and well, at eighty nine years old, if you're entering 216 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: hospice care, that's usually not a very good sign that 217 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: you are long for this earth. So prayers to his family. Hopefully, 218 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's peaceful and he's able to sort of 219 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: slip away into that upper room the way that most 220 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: of us would love to, you know, just sort of 221 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: fall asleep and you know, be RESTful and never wake up. 222 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: Kind of a morbid thing to talk about. I know, 223 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: I just saw it come across and to feel like, 224 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, if you when you grow up and you 225 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: watch somebody or you know, somebody is a part of 226 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, the college football for instance, in this case, 227 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: the college football world. When you were growing up and 228 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: it was such a dominant figure. Story like that hits 229 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: you a little bit now. Then I was talking a 230 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: little bit about the assistant coaches they're bringing in. And 231 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: by the way, this segment is sponsored by Sander Roovis, 232 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: Senderovish and Fishmen. They charged twenty five percent and others 233 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: charge forty percent. They got your back, not your wallet. 234 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: I was talking about this whole coaching staff of Mike McCarthy. Again, 235 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: when you start building a coaching staff, of course, every 236 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: single coach that you bring to the table is going 237 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: to be scrutinized, because that's what we do. You've got 238 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven sports talk, We've got you know, 239 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: blogs out of our rear ends, We've got all kinds 240 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: of different social media, so there is just a glut 241 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: of information. But I find it amazing and I find 242 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: it interesting how certain guys and certain coaches get labeled 243 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: either up and coming superstars for no real other apparent 244 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: reason other than you know, they're young, and people act 245 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: like it's an essential part of like the hiring process 246 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: for the for the for the in this case, the Steelers, 247 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: and in this case it's New Orleans Saints quarterbacks coach 248 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: Scott Tolzen. I don't know if he's a great coach 249 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: or he's not a great coach. He gets a lot 250 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: of credit because he worked with the rookie Tyler Shaw, 251 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: and Tyler Schoff was actually reasonably decent and most people 252 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: thought he was going to be a bust as a rookie. 253 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: So is that the quarterback coach? Is that the offensive coordinator? 254 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: Is it the head coming anyway? Well, you know, again, 255 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: we like to do that. It's like a selective way 256 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: that we decide who we're going to give credit for. Right, 257 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: if we like the offensive coordinator and we don't like 258 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach, it's the it's the quarterbacks coach. I'm sorry, 259 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: it's the offensive coordinator that is the one that got 260 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: it right, or vice versa. And so you know, these 261 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: guys get labeled quarterback whisperers or quarterback gurus or whatever, 262 00:16:54,600 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: And sometimes I wonder did they really earn that? Did 263 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: they really? Did they really earn that? And I would 264 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: tell you most of the time no. But anyway, we're 265 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Scotts Scott Tolesy in a little bit 266 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: later here. Coming up, We've got our good friend Josh 267 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Joey to talk about the Penguins. There's a lot to 268 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: get to when it comes to the Penguins, so we'll 269 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: do that next. It's the Mark Madden Show, one of 270 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: five ninety X. The Penguins have won five in a 271 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: row and really have looked very impressive doing it, and 272 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: now I think they might have a little bit of 273 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: a problem on their hands. Of course, joining me now 274 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: is Josh Joey uh from The Athletic who covers the Penguins, 275 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: and we'll probably get into this subject. Josh, how are 276 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: you doing today? 277 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: Oh? 278 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: Very good, I'm doing good, you know. I I'm you know, 279 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about the whole Bill Belichick 280 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame thing later. So I googled Bill Bullechick, 281 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: and I know that you are really hanging on your 282 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: seat like I was to find out. The first things 283 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: that were coming up were the fact that him and 284 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: the twenty four year old might have actually broken up. 285 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: I know that. I know that's her shattering news that 286 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: a seventy seven year old or whatever he is, and 287 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: it's a twenty four year old didn't work out or 288 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: isn't working out. But I mean, those news of the 289 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: day isn't it. 290 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I already thought he was having a bad week, 291 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: but now then, although she's lovely, but I mean, given 292 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: some of the behavior, maybe this is a good thing 293 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: for him. I don't know that she's always very nice 294 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: to him. I have that sense. 295 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: Someone joked on Twitter, Yeah, that's she snubbed him because 296 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: he's no longer a first ballot Hall of Famer. But anyway, 297 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: let's talk about your Penguins, Josh five and or Roll. 298 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: They've won. They've looked really good in these five games. 299 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they've you know, played really well for most 300 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: of these games. Obviously, you know, they've had a few 301 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: stretches here and there where they didn't play so well, 302 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: but for the most part, they were somewhat dominant in 303 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: these games. And now I said it the opening that 304 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think Kyle Dubas has 305 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: some real what I would call soul searching to do 306 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: about what to do coming up at the deadline, doesn't he. 307 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a team I'm not saying they're 308 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: they're they're they're close to a Stanley Cup, but I 309 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: think they're probably need to think about if you add 310 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: a few pieces, they could probably make a run in 311 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: the playoffs. 312 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they're in a really interesting spot if you base. 313 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: I know, at the Athletic we have you know, analytics 314 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: for this, and in other sites they all have the 315 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: Penguins that around eighty percent chance to make the playoffs now, 316 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: which means, barring some kind of unforeseen collapse, they're going 317 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. And no they're not a Stanley 318 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: Cup team has currently put together. But the Eastern Conference 319 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: is terrible and the Metropolitan Division is the worst part 320 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: of the Eastern Conference. They could win a round or two. 321 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: Sure they could. I mean, as things stand now, they 322 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: play the Islanders in the first round in Carolina in 323 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: the second round. Those teams are hardly unbeatable. Penguins have 324 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 2: only lost one game in regulation season against their division. Yeah, 325 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: they could, and it does put to us in the 326 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: really interesting spot because he's made it very clear that 327 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: the future is his priority and it should be. You know, 328 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: he always says I want this team to be a 329 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: contender year after year. This isn't like a one year thing. 330 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: But if he can go out and get a couple 331 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: of guys to help this team without selling the farm, 332 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure he would love to, and I think it's 333 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 2: something he has to think about. 334 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think that's the thing, Josh. It's like, 335 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, they've got they've they've really done a good 336 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: job of stacking you know, uh, you know, stacking prospects 337 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: and trying to you know, build for the future. But 338 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: you also have the interesting thing where you've got a 339 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 1: couple of stars that are old or old for you know, 340 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: the whatever however you want to say that aging old 341 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: with a closing window. So I think that's probably where 342 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, if you don't have Sydney Crosby, and you 343 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: don't have walking and don't have the tang and you 344 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: know your team is still really young, I think you 345 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: can probably say, listen, we're gonna continue down the path 346 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: or what we you know, we were slow and steady, 347 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: and we're gonna get to where we want to get to. 348 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: But you do have those guys, don't do you think 349 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: that in Kyle Dubas's mind, that has to be a 350 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: consideration for what they would do at you know, to 351 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: try and get better for this year. 352 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: Sure it does, and a lot of fans and even 353 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: the person who usually hosts this radio show don't like 354 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: this way of thinking. But but I always say, like, 355 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: if you're Kyle Dubas, like you're sitting in your office 356 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 2: and Sydney crauseb is hitting across the table from you, 357 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: It's gotta bit awfully hard to say, hey, like we 358 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: traded Jake Gnsel, he was your favorite winger, and we 359 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: traded a bunch of other people. You know, we keep selling. 360 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: So now that you're actually in playoff position, it's gotta 361 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: be awfully hard to say, hey, we're not gonna help 362 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: you out any We're just gonna We're just gonna ride 363 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: this thing out with the team we have. Sure you 364 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: want to do right by your franchise icons, And I 365 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 2: think it changes things a little bit in that, Like 366 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: I said, the East is just so bad. It's not 367 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: like they're in a division where they'd have to play 368 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: Colorado or Dallas in the first round. It's not like 369 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: that at all. There is a conceivable path where these 370 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: guys could get to the Eastern Conference final. So is 371 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: it worth it? I mean, yeah, I think to some 372 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: extent it is. But if you're Kyle Dubis, that also 373 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're going out and you know, selling off 374 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: first round picks and your best prospects either. And that's 375 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 2: that's where it gets tough, Paul, because there aren't many 376 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: sellers this season, because everybody thinks they have a chance 377 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: at the playoffs, because damn near everybody does. And because 378 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: of that, it's a great time to be a seller 379 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 2: because the value is really skyrocketing for players. So it's 380 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: going to be tough just to go get a rental 381 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: for a fifth round pick. It might not be one 382 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: of those years, unfortunately. So it's a fascinating spot tous. 383 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: And the Penguins are. 384 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: In okay, knowing that you've got your goaltender of the 385 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: future down in the minors, somebody comes at you with 386 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: a really pretty decent offer, offer that you have to 387 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: think about. For Stuart's ginner, does cal Dubis pull that 388 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: trigger or does he basically say I owe it to 389 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: Sydney Crosby in company not to make a move like that, 390 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: even though a move like that might help me, you know, 391 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: maybe we get a couple of prospects or whatever, you know. 392 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: For him, I don't know, does he make that move? 393 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: Well, every man has a price, right, and I think 394 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: I think if it were some kind of an overwhelming price, sure, 395 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: but I think it would have to be a lot, 396 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: because Skinner has clearly established himself as the number one guy, 397 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: even though he is an unrestricted free agent this summer. 398 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: It would have to be overwhelming. And one other point, 399 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: I would like to race your Paul, just thinking about 400 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: the trade deadline right now. Sure, I think they might 401 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: do something, but don't forget about the impact that the 402 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: trade for Igor Shinnikov last month had. Like, this guy 403 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: has been unbelievable. He's got what seven goals in fourteen 404 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: games with the Penguins, It's only twenty four years old, 405 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: looks like a star on a Guinny Malkins wings. So 406 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: there could be a part of Dubas and I already 407 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 2: made my big move, So I might just do something 408 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: really minor because that kid has like star potential. I 409 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: don't know what was going on in Columbus, but I 410 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: mean he has been spectacular almost every game in Pittsburgh. 411 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: Okay, well let's go the other way, Josh. Somebody comes 412 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: to Kyle Dubus with an offer for Mirishaw. 413 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: I don't think that'll happen. 414 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: An offer that includes a player that can help them. 415 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: This year, I don't think so. I think it would. 416 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 2: I think something like that would only happen if it 417 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: was for a young player who they could have under 418 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: control for a long time. I don't think that there's 419 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: no way they're going to sell Sergei Miroshav for a 420 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: little bit of short term gratification. They they really think 421 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: he might be a star, and I think next year 422 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: he'll be in Pittsburgh for good. I just the return 423 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: would just have to be so massive that I can't 424 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 2: imagine it happening. 425 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I listen, I'm just trying to I'm 426 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: just trying to bring up scenario. Who's that could happen here? 427 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: Whereas you know, And it's funny, if they were on 428 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: a five game losing streak, we wouldn't even be talking 429 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: about this, right, I mean we would be talking about well, 430 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's the it's the plan. You know, they're 431 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: sticking to the plan. They're gonna rebuild, and they're gonna 432 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: do all these things. But now, especially when you win 433 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: four games out on the West Coast like that, now 434 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're dreaming big. 435 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, and I don't think the Penguins are fluky like. 436 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 2: I think they're just a lot better than we thought 437 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: they were going to be. And I really believe that, 438 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: And I base a lot on gold differential. I think 439 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: that's a really legitimate statistic if you're trying to figure 440 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: out who's good and who's not around the league. Penlins 441 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: have the sixth best gold differential in the NHL. I 442 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: know they, you know, take advantage of a slightly easier 443 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: schedule than other teams because of their division, but you know, 444 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 2: the sixth best goal percentage at gold differential out of 445 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: thirty two teams. That that tells me something. That's and 446 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: and the fact that they survived that horrible December the 447 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: way they did and appear to be better, you know 448 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: because of it. Perhaps, No, they're the best story in 449 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 2: the NHL right now. I really believe that. 450 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. I think they're. I mean i've and 451 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: I've actually written that a few times this week. They're 452 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: definitely the best story in this town, even though there's 453 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: another story that seems to be dominating the headlines. It's 454 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: one of those things where I would tell you that 455 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that people really fully have gotten out 456 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: from underneath the NFL yet enough to pay attention to 457 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: what is actually going on. Last one I have for you, buddy. 458 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: If you are Kyle Dubas and you looked at this roster, 459 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: what's one thing that you think you would try to 460 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: add to kind of give them a chance to maybe 461 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: get a little bit of you know, get into the 462 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: playoffs and have a chance to make a run. 463 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: I think they could really use another defenseman. It does 464 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: not have to be a star, but just a solid 465 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: veteran type. I'll go back many years ago and they 466 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: brought in guys like Ron Hainsey, for instance, somebody like that, 467 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: especially on the right side. It sounds like the time 468 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: might be hurt. We're going to find out more tomorrow. 469 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: But he gets hurt a lot. And now Jackson and 470 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 2: Ivan he has a broken hand. He's out two months. 471 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: Those are both right handed defensemen. They don't have a 472 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: whole lot behind Carlson right now there. The replacements have 473 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: done very nicely, but just a veteran number four or 474 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: five defenseman who's been around the block. Those guys aren't 475 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: that expensive to get. You'll have to give up something, 476 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: but you wanted to give a first round pick to 477 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: get it. I think they could use somebody like that. 478 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: Because Paul at forward, they're when they're healthy, they're their 479 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 2: top four lines are really good. Like they don't need 480 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: a forward right now. They're really excellent. 481 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: No, there's no question about it. They're fun to watch too. 482 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: I love I love the way they play. 483 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: There's an energy about them this year that they are 484 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: so many people have told me, man, they're fun this year. 485 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: They are. It's undeniable. 486 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: They play. Yeah, they just play so hard and they 487 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: go after it and you know, they play the way 488 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: that you want your favorite teams to play. So uh, Josh, 489 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: thank you so much, buddy. I know you're very, very busy, 490 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll be able to talk soon. 491 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: I'm best elected Bill Belichick. I hope you can find 492 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: somebody under thirty again. 493 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's the story of the week, isn't it. Anyway, 494 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: It's Josh Jovi the Athletic. I'm Paul's Ice. We are 495 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: actually doing the Mark Madden Show. It's one of five 496 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: ninety X sponsored by this section. I'm sorry. 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I think that the way they're 505 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: playing is going to create some headaches for Kyle Dubas. 506 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: Like when a team is a rebuilding team and they're 507 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, in rebuilding mode and they have a little 508 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: bit of success, it's something that should be celebrated, and 509 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: of course people are happy. I mean, the Penguins are 510 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: playing well and it's fun. But when you've got three 511 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: or four guys who are really, you know, sort of 512 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: what you call aging stars, and you're trying for one 513 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: or two last hurrahs with them, a winning streak like 514 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: this now at least has to put a little bit 515 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: of pressure on Kyle Dubis to say, Okay, we're not 516 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: going to blow up our rebuild plan. You know, we're 517 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: not going to give up a bunch of you know, 518 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: the the younger assets and whatever that we have acquired. 519 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: We're not going to do that. You know, what is 520 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: it thirty four or thirty five top three draft picks 521 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: over the next three years or whatever it is. We're 522 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: not going to dip too far into that. But honestly, 523 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, as Josh Ally said, if you sit down 524 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: and you look across the desk at Sidney Crosby, are 525 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: you really gonna tell him Listen, buddy, we're gonna We're 526 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: not gonna do anything to try and make this team 527 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: a little bit better. We know it could be one 528 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: of your last best chances. Maybe you have two or 529 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: three more years so you know, or maybe you don't, 530 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: but you're still playing at a pretty high level, and 531 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: you know what, this team is actually pretty good. But 532 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: we're not going to dip into the future in order 533 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: to try and help this team out. I think that's 534 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: a hard discussion to have, isn't it. I'm not saying 535 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: that you go and you sell the farm, and you know, 536 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: you try and you know, make big, blockbuster deals. But 537 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: I do think that probably a month ago, the thinking 538 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: was going to be maybe we will actually sell off 539 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: a couple of assets at the trade deadline, and now 540 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: the thinking almost has to be we're going to add 541 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: some We're gonna at least go get I don't know, 542 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: another defenseman or two. We're gonna try and make our 543 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: team a little bit better, because in the East, if 544 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: we just get a little bit better, we have as 545 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: good of a chance as anybody to make a run down, 546 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, to make a run. There's nobody out there. 547 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: I don't think that is all that good. You know, 548 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: there are some tea there are obviously some teams that 549 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: are okay. But my point is, I don't think there's 550 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: anybody that's running away and hiding from the rest of 551 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference, you know, right now. I mean, you 552 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: could make a case that the Tampa is probably the 553 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: best team in the East based on the fact that 554 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: they do have the most number of points. But more importantly, 555 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: if you look at point differential, which or goal differential, 556 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: which I think is a really you know, it's actually 557 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: a pretty good good number to look at to kind 558 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: of gauge how good a team is. You look at 559 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: their if their goal differential, it's much much higher than 560 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: anybody else in the East. They're at fifty two. The 561 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: next team is Carolina at thirty one. So you know, 562 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: they obviously are probably right now the cream of the crop. 563 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know that, like if you told me 564 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: that the Penguins had a seven game series against Tampa. 565 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously at favorite Tampa, but it wouldn't shock 566 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: me the Penguins were able to beat them. And I 567 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: think that's the thing that you have to think about 568 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: if you're cal Dubas, like, when you have a team 569 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: that is young and rebuilding completely well, then you can 570 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: ride it out and say, listen, we have a plan. 571 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: Year one of our plan. You know, we kind of 572 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: understand that we're not really going to be a legitimate 573 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: contender this year, but you know, this year, at the 574 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: end of the year, we'll shed a couple more on tracks. 575 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: We'll add a couple more younger players. The guys that 576 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: are here and the guys that are you know, in 577 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: Wilkespear or whatever, they'll all be a year older and 578 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: better and more experienced. You know, we'll bring up Mrishav 579 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: to be our goalie of the future. Next year we'll 580 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: be on track. You can say that if you don't 581 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: have Sydney Crosby on your team, if you don't have 582 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: Malkin and let Tang on your team, but as long 583 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: as you committed to those three guys, which they have 584 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: done now, for the last four or five years. As 585 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: long as you have committed to those three guys, don't 586 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: you sort of owe it to them now that you 587 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: have a team that appears again could be fools gold. 588 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: You know, two weeks from now, we could be talking 589 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: about a six game losing streak and then everything else 590 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: goes out the window. But right now, I mean, you're 591 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: looking at a team that has got what sixty five 592 00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: points in second place in the Metro and they are 593 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: one of the hottest teams in hockey right now. So 594 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: you start to say yourself, don't you owe it to 595 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: your stars who have meant so much to your organization, 596 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: who you know, helped you raise three Stanley Cups, have 597 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: been a big part of reviving the franchise here, a 598 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: franchise that, by the way, before Sidney Crosby arrived, was 599 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: basically on life support. Don't you sort of owe it 600 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: to them to say, listen, we've got to try and 601 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: find a way to get a little bit better. It's 602 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: a tricky thing to do, I think. I think, honestly, 603 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: it's really interesting because at the beginning of the year, 604 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: we were praising the Penguins for, you know, committing to 605 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: a rebuild and being okay with it. And we were 606 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: ripping on the Steelers for doing sort of that, you know, 607 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: almost pregnant halfway rebuild thing. We got half our team, 608 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: we're kind of rebuilding, but we still got Cam and 609 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: TJ over here, and we you know, we bring in 610 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: a forty two year old quarterback, so we're gonna try 611 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: and win this year. We criticized the Steelers for doing that, 612 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: but guess what, that was sort of the position they 613 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: were in. And if I look at the you know, 614 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: the Penguins at the beginning of the year, we kind 615 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: of thought, oh, well, they are rebuilding, they're gonna be 616 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: a team that, you know it probably is going to 617 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: get a you know, a top five draft pick or whatever. 618 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna be one of the worst teams in hockey. 619 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: And lo and behold, they have gotten and they've played 620 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: really well. And I don't think it's a fluke again. 621 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: I think they're they're They're really good up front, there's 622 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: no question about it. There Forwards, you know, line one 623 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: through line four, they are really good. And you know, 624 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: Skinner has really brought sort of a veteran presence to 625 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: that goalie spot. Their defensive you know the defense is 626 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: still a little bit smotty, but it's gotten better. I 627 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: don't know. I think if I'm KYLEA. Dubis, I have 628 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: to really take a look at the fact that here 629 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: I am trying to rebuild, but I've got three aging 630 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: stars that I want to build a team for this year, 631 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: and that, to me should probably be the focus. 632 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 2: Anyway. 633 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: Coming up the Roles Committee is I've added again for 634 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: the NFL, finding another way to yet try to ruin 635 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: the games. We'll talk about that next. It's Mark Man Show, 636 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: one of five ninety x