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Speaker 3: All right, here we go six h nine, seven hundred

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Speaker 3: WLW Welcome in RNL Carrier Sports Talk. Here's anyby Kelsey Chevrolet.

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Speaker 3: I'm Lance macalister. How you do it? How's your day?

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Speaker 3: the headlines, So if you're ready, here we go. Red's

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Speaker 3: pictures and catchers continued working Goodyear Today, forty two days

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Speaker 3: until Red's opening day. Terry Francona saying that Christian in

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Speaker 3: Cardassi own Strand tweaked his hamstring back in January. He's

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Speaker 3: on a running progression program right now. He may miss

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Speaker 3: the first few spring games. In other baseball news, that

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Speaker 3: Phillies releasing the Costianos. The team will eat the remaining

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Speaker 3: twenty million dollars on his contract this season. A team

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Speaker 3: signing Costianos, who turns thirty four next month, would owe

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Speaker 3: him the major League minimum of seven hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars this season. Would Nick Costianos do anything for you?

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Speaker 3: We will discuss coming up seven h six. Tonight, ESPN

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Speaker 3: reports base coaches will have to remain in their coaches

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Speaker 3: College basketball Tonight the NKU Norris Are at IU Indy

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Speaker 3: Rick Browing with the Call. Also Wright State Home to Detroit,

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Speaker 3: NFL News. Congrats to elder class of two thousand and one. PJ.

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Speaker 3: Volker today named safeties coach for the Baltimore Ravens. That's

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Speaker 3: very cool. And the Tampa Bay Buccaneers today hire former

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Speaker 3: Bengals offensive coordinator Ken Zampeas. I completely forgot about Ken Zampas.

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Speaker 3: He will be the Buccaneers senior offensive assistant slash passing

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Speaker 3: game specialist. And best of luck to the teams playing

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Speaker 3: as follows. The Reds have a batting order question to

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Speaker 3: seven o'clock hour. Nick Costianos is now a free agent.

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Speaker 3: Would cost seven hundred and eighty thousand for a year

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Speaker 3: new documentary about Bob Huggins that will premiere in April.

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Speaker 3: It is presented by Kelsey Chevrolet and it's right here

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Speaker 3: on seven hundred WLW. All right, there's a new documentary

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Speaker 3: What a treat to welcome in, Alan Hillsinger. How are you, mister?

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Speaker 4: McAllister, I'm great, buddy.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing it is? I am well, it

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Speaker 3: is so great to hear your voice, and I'm so

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Speaker 3: excited to talk about this project. Let's start here. Tell

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Speaker 4: Well, it was time, you know, I mean, it was time.

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Speaker 4: Nobody has done something like this for Hugs and for

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Speaker 4: the his players really as much as him, And it

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Speaker 4: was just time. And I'm in the independent filmmaking business,

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Speaker 3: How long did this project take?

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Speaker 4: Typically a well thought out documentary and well produced documentary,

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Speaker 4: the players. Every notable name you can think of is

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Speaker 3: The more than forty interviews you did, you and your

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Speaker 4: It's scary. Now, Ken's awesome. He's an intimidating person, but

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Speaker 3: His life, Hugs' life has certainly included some controversy and

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Speaker 4: They are, It's not a focus. The way I like

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Speaker 4: I said, Hugs, you not to thank me. He goes, no,

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Speaker 4: this is so so good. You guys did a terrific job.

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Speaker 4: You're one of my heroes. If I can do this

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Speaker 3: A happy man. You talked with Ruben Patterson and those

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Speaker 4: You know, lands you're pretty good at this. You ought

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Speaker 4: And I said, well, this is your opportunity if you

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Speaker 3: Boy, and I understand you go back to the beginning

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Speaker 4: I say something funny. First time I talked to Steve Sanders.

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Speaker 3: As you mentioned the former coaches, that's the one thing

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Speaker 3: talking about hugs, their relationship and what it was like

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Speaker 4: They all three of those interviews were terrific. Personally, I

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Speaker 4: and that that makes it cool.

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Speaker 3: As I understand that the Premier said for April seventeen,

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Speaker 4: Yes, Sir, April seventeenth and Memorial Hall downtown. There'll be

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Speaker 4: a VIP section where a lot of the players, including

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Speaker 4: Coach Hugs, is going to be there, and so there'll

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Speaker 4: be an area where you can get autographs and pictures

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Speaker 3: It'll be a big event, a big night.

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Speaker 4: For us and for every but he involved. And again, really,

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Speaker 3: Long Season, fabulous at the time, very scandalous book like

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Speaker 3: pulled the curtain back and wrote about things that were

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Speaker 3: like were taboo back then and a Xavier graduate. Kevin

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Speaker 3: Jarvis war forty two, Bill Bottom war number forty two,

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Speaker 3: Santo Alkala twenty three years old in nineteen seventy six

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Speaker 3: with the Big Red Machin he won eleven games, and

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Speaker 3: Santo alcohol was done at the age of twenty four

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Speaker 3: three years later or done three years later at the

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Speaker 3: age of twenty five or twenty six, I think it was.

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Speaker 3: I was surprised how quickly his career just boomed done,

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Speaker 3: and Reggie Jefferson war forty two and Rick Mayler wore

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Speaker 3: forty two. All right, So the subject at hand, Tito

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Speaker 3: has declared he's batting TJ leading off, he's batting LA

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Speaker 3: Thirty's batting score is fourth, and says he's got to

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Speaker 3: figure out who's going to bat second, So who would

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Speaker 3: it be? Last year, Matt McClain started sixty eight games

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Speaker 3: batting in the second spot. Tito said he was very

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Speaker 3: stubborn with him because he believed it and he kept

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Speaker 3: running him out there. Matt hit two fifteen from the

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Speaker 3: two spot. Santiago Espinal got thirty starts for this team

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Speaker 3: in the two spot to hit one ninety three. Marte

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Speaker 3: hit two twenty two, Lux hit two thirteen, Steer two hundred,

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Speaker 3: Blake done one eighty two, Sal Stewart one game went

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Speaker 3: one for four. That's seven different guys. They tried, they

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Speaker 3: got no traction whatsoever. We're down to four then Matt, McClean, Spencer, Steer,

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Speaker 3: Noeve Marte, South Stewart. Let's go to the phones at five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: seven thousand, one, eight hundred the big one. Tyson, you

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Speaker 3: were on seven hundred WLW. Hey, I'm well how about you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: I'm so pumped for this season. Man.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I think.

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Speaker 7: Uh, with the way Frank Cone is, he's more than

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Speaker 7: an analytics guy.

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Speaker 3: You know, he knows his baseball.

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Speaker 7: He's got that high I think we should try McClean

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Speaker 7: in there again. He thinks the claims high. McLane, that

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Speaker 7: kind of a gritty ball players what.

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Speaker 8: We need at the beginning of the lineup.

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Speaker 4: You should agree to that.

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Speaker 3: I would. I would like to see success. I don't

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Speaker 3: think if Matt struggles in the spring, I don't think

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Speaker 3: you can plug him into the two spots. So I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna need him to have some success for his confidence

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Speaker 3: and for I think Tito's confidence to plug him into.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's an igniter. That's the second igniter

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Speaker 3: spot in the order. By you're laid off hitter, and

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Speaker 3: I just I need him to produce and if he

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Speaker 3: does in the spring, I'd have no problem plugging him

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Speaker 3: him on on opening day in that spot.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, if everything breaks right, that's probably developed ideal personal,

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Speaker 7: isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Agreed? Yeah, that'd be dangerous. What's happening?

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Speaker 7: I thought, as like with battle claim he had a

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Speaker 7: shoulder injury at that surgery. Yep, that probably took a

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Speaker 7: pull on too. But then he got Stewart coming in

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Speaker 7: and he just saw for like twenty six pounds or

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Speaker 7: something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I.

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Speaker 7: Should produce a lot more speed, a lot more agility.

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Speaker 3: I would think, so, I would think. So, yes, that

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Speaker 3: was my.

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Speaker 7: Two I think, And it's if the clay can get

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Speaker 7: into second then after.

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Speaker 3: Ope, you're tyson, I'm losing. You're breaking up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But thank you for the thoughts and we'll mark down

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Speaker 3: Matt McClain. And again, the the the DNA of Matt McClain,

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Speaker 3: all the ingredients are there for him to be the

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Speaker 3: two hitter. What is lacking to this point is an

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Speaker 3: exhibition of success, because man, he fought it last year,

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Speaker 3: and he really fought it. And Tito's credit, he said

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Speaker 3: it to me that night at red'sfest. He was just

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Speaker 3: really stubborn with him because he believed in him so much.

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Speaker 3: And they make no mistake, they believe in Matt McClain.

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Speaker 3: You don't trade Gavin Lucks and get rid of Santiago

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Speaker 3: Espinal if you have doubts about your second basement, because

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Speaker 3: right now, if it's not Matt McClain picking up the

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Speaker 3: slack in some way, shape or form as Spencer Steer

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Speaker 3: playing some second base or Stle Stewart playing some second base,

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Speaker 3: and that's not exactly ideal as an everyday second basement

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Speaker 3: on either front. But they believed in Matt McClain enough

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Speaker 3: to do that because they believed he's the answer. So

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Speaker 3: they traded Lucks and moved on from Espinal and pushed

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Speaker 3: all the chips into the middle on him, and I

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Speaker 3: root for I'm a big Matt McClain fan because there's

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Speaker 3: there's just a lot to like about how he plays

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Speaker 3: the game and approaches the game. He just needs something

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Speaker 3: tangible success wise to be able to offer this lineup

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Speaker 3: in Columbus we go, Brent, you were on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Lance, So I don't disagree with you about McClain

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Speaker 8: if he falls on his face in the spring. But

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Speaker 8: what you kept talking about to being a press pressure

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Speaker 8: situation there a second, and I don't disagree with that either,

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Speaker 8: But I'm hoping Matt McClain will look at that as

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Speaker 8: exciting or maybe a vote of confidence.

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Speaker 3: Yes, of putting him in a second, that's a good

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Speaker 3: way to look at him.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, I mean that's what I'm hoping because obviously

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Speaker 8: for this team to be very successful, we need a

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Speaker 8: lot of guys to have good career years. Everybody can't

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Speaker 8: just go back two forty again and with the same

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Speaker 8: power numbers and then you get what you got last

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Speaker 8: year and a year before. So we need those guys.

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Speaker 8: We need him to step up and be Matt McClain

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Speaker 8: that we saw.

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Speaker 3: Two years And Brent, he told me something at Redsfest

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Speaker 3: I think is something worth considering, And he said, for

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Speaker 3: the first time in a couple of years, he was

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Speaker 3: able to just do baseball things this offseason. He wasn't

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Speaker 3: rehabbing an injury, so he got to hit and run

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Speaker 3: and just do regular things instead of Jim workout things

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Speaker 3: and strengthening shoulder muscles and everything else, and just to

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Speaker 3: be a baseball player. And you been just sitting next

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Speaker 3: to him. The look on his face when I said,

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Speaker 3: how excited are you to turn the calendar into twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six? You could tell he is fired up to

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Speaker 3: just get a fresh start and get away from last year.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm on this team because when he and Ellie

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Speaker 8: came up, I thought he was going to.

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Speaker 3: Be the better player.

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Speaker 8: He thought he was going to be better than Li.

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Speaker 3: He's got a lot of exciting tools. And I also

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Speaker 3: love the fact that Matt understands that. And he said this,

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Speaker 3: even though he was struggling last season, he was able

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Speaker 3: to do things to help the team win. And he didn't.

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Speaker 3: He didn't try to hit five run home runs if

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Speaker 3: it meant hitting the ball to the right side to

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Speaker 3: move a runner over. He knew the importance of that.

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Speaker 3: In a season where you're struggling, not a lot of

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Speaker 3: guys are able to view it through that lens. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's a lot of credit to him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let's just hope I'll be.

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Speaker 3: Watching a man Thank you, Brent, thanks for checking in.

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Speaker 3: That's one really already one hour in the books. All right,

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Speaker 3: Topic two. When we turn the page, Nick Costianos, Phillies

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Speaker 3: are paying him twenty million to go home. The Reds

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Speaker 3: could pay him seven hundred and eighty thousand. That's it,

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Speaker 3: the minimum to be on their team. Thumbs up, thumbs

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Speaker 3: down the case four and against. Afternoons RNL Carrier Sports

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Speaker 3: Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WW.

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Speaker 3: hope you at least a manageable Thursday. We roll for

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Speaker 3: another hour three hours tomorrow night, including it off the

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Speaker 3: beaten path topic. We did a Reds topic in the

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Speaker 3: first hour, I'll be honest, until mid so later into

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Speaker 3: the afternoon, the doc had had one Reds topic on

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Speaker 3: the board, and then the Phillies did what they did,

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Speaker 3: and I said, well, we now we've got two Reds

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Speaker 3: topics on the board. Because this topic cuts right to

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Speaker 3: the core of many Reds fans who hold a special

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Speaker 3: place in their hurt for the individual who will be

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Speaker 3: the topic of conversation. So let's get to it. The

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Speaker 3: Phillies released Nicostianos today. They chose to eat twenty million

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Speaker 3: dollars remaining on his contract. They told him, we are

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Speaker 3: releasing you. We'd rather pay you twenty million dollars to

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Speaker 3: go away than to play for us any team that

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Speaker 3: now signs. In fact, the Phillies last week told him,

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Speaker 3: don't even bother showing up the camp. We don't want

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Speaker 3: shoe around the players. Now, any team that wants to

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Speaker 3: sign Nick Costianos would owe him just the major league minimum.

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Speaker 3: The major league minimum salary is seven hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars. The Phillies would be responsible for the rest.

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Speaker 3: So the question becomes what we talked about back in

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Speaker 3: I think we did this in November when the Reds

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Speaker 3: were looking for the bat. Would Nick Costianos do anything

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Speaker 3: for you? Well, let's take a look. He turns thirty

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Speaker 3: four next month. His twenty twenty five season was a mess.

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Speaker 3: He's on base percentage was the lowest of his career

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Speaker 3: two ninety four, My goodness, second worst exit velocity, how

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Speaker 3: hard he hit the ball in his career lowest hard

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Speaker 3: hit rate how often he hits the ball hard. Of

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Speaker 3: his career, he had a negative WAR. Out of one

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty five qualified hitters, he ranked one fifth

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Speaker 3: out of one forty five in war. His defense forced

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Speaker 3: him into a DH role. He was the second worst

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Speaker 3: defender among all right fielders in the game last year,

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Speaker 3: so they stopped playing him there. In fact, it led

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Speaker 3: to the dust up and the dugout. He was being

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Speaker 3: removed for defensive purposes and games. He argued with his

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Speaker 3: manager and got benched for quote an inappropriate comment following

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Speaker 3: the manager's decision to lift him from a game, according

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Speaker 3: to The Athletic, The dugout incident, according to numerous team sources,

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Speaker 3: left players and coaches alike disgusted. He started just twelve

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Speaker 3: of their last twenty five games. I'd ask this, if

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Speaker 3: Nick Costiano's hadn't played for the Reds and stood over

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Speaker 3: a Cardinal's pitcher and flexed over him at home played

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Speaker 3: on opening day five years ago, would this even be

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Speaker 3: in the conversation? Because I I don't see any remaining

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Speaker 3: value Nick Costiano's can't hit, he can't run, he can't field.

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Speaker 3: I'll pass. In fact, I'm looking at a breakdown today

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Speaker 3: in in easiest terms, he is a negative hitter, he's

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Speaker 3: a negative base runner, he's a negative fielder. That makes

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Speaker 3: him a negative baseball player. There's just nothing there, whether

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Speaker 3: he costs seven hundred and eighty thousand dollars or not.

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Speaker 3: And I'm big on following, you know, follow the evidence.

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Speaker 3: And when one team says we would rather pay you

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Speaker 3: twenty million dollars to not be here, that tells you something.

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Speaker 3: Tells me something. When a team tells you last week,

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Speaker 3: do not report to camp, that tells me something. And

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Speaker 3: this told me something as well. From the Athletic Today,

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Speaker 3: Matt gilb who writes in an extensive background piece story

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Speaker 3: titled how the Phillies one hundred million dollar marriage with

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Speaker 3: Nick Costianos ended in divorce, and he takes you through

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Speaker 3: what transpired and how the beginning of the end came

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Speaker 3: one night when this was June. It was a Monday

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Speaker 3: night in June. It was the eighth inning and the

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Speaker 3: Phillies manager, what is it, Rob Thomas, took Nick Costianos

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Speaker 3: out of the game for defensive purposes, and Nick wasn't happy,

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Speaker 3: and he went to the clubhouse and he got a

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Speaker 3: beer and he walked back out onto the dugout bench

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Speaker 3: and he cracked open the beer and the point was,

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Speaker 3: if I'm not playing, then I'm on vacation. And Costianos

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Speaker 3: believed he'd been disrespected at the highest level. He yelled

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Speaker 3: at Rob Thompson, the Phillies manager, and the coaches while

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00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: his teammates watched, and finally, according to The Athletic, two

643
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: players that were not on the field at that time,

644
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber and j. T Rio Muto, jumped in and

645
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: they tried to usher Costianos out of sight before the

646
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: cameras could capture a player drinking a beer in the dugout,

647
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: and Costianos ranted some more to Thompson before disappearing into

648
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 3: the clubhouse, and according to The Athletic, the unprofessional outburst

649
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: hung in the dugout air as the Phillies finished the

650
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 3: win without Costianos that night and Matt gilbrites today. Even

651
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: before that incident, many teammates had come to resent Costianos

652
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: for his attitude. The Phillies tried for months to trade him,

653
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: but were unable to find a taker. Up until even

654
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: this week. Costianos had been from the start when he

655
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: signed with the Phillies. He had detected what he perceived

656
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: as a disrespect towards him by the organization, and the

657
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: Phillies believed they had gone above and beyond the great

658
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: lengths to help create a comfortable environment for him, that

659
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: his oldest son, Liam was a was allowed as a

660
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: frequent presence on the field and the clubhouse before the games,

661
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: and the athletic rights today. After the episode in Miami,

662
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: the Phillies debated a suspension for him, and they ultimately

663
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: decided against it, but it left the rest of his

664
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: teammates questioning why the manager and the president of baseball

665
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: operations were essentially letting Costianos call his shots and do

666
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: his own thing. And in the clubhouse, the prominent players

667
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: began distancing themselves from Costianos, one telling the athletic, you

668
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 3: can't disrespect the manager and talk to him the way

669
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: he did. You can't expect it to all be the same.

670
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 3: After that, and for months, according to the report, many

671
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: of his teammates had a running debate. They could not

672
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: consider him a bad teammate because there were instances where

673
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: he would do thoughtful things and help rookies, but many

674
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: of his teammates argued he was not a team player.

675
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: He was in it for himself. And the last line

676
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: in the Athletic today from Matt Gelb was, by then

677
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 3: there was no love lost in the clubhouse towards Costianos.

678
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: The Phillies knew their marriage with him was ending. And

679
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: today it did twenty million dollars to go home five one, three,

680
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: seven four nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred do the

681
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: big one, the question, knowing what you know about his season,

682
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 3: knowing what you know about his skill set, and knowing

683
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 3: what you know about the end in Philly, would he

684
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 3: do anything for you? Here you'll answer. Next RNL Carrier

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686
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: tuning in, I would not touch him with a ten

687
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Speaker 3: foot poll. This is RNL Carrier Sportstock presented by Kelsey

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Speaker 3: Chevrolet seven hundred WLW seven two on the nose. RNL

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Speaker 3: Carrier Sportstock presented by Kelsey Chevrolet Alliance Percallister Cruise until eight,

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Speaker 3: our second RITZ topic of the night. Let me let

691
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Speaker 3: me send this we go to the phones, I'll simplify

692
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 3: it for me. On Costianos, it can be as simple

693
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: as this, He's a DH. The Reds have a DH.

694
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: I mean they didn't sign au Andio Suarez to be

695
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 3: there everyday DH, and that's what he's gonna be most

696
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: of the time. He's gonna be the DH O occasionally

697
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: pick up first or third. They didn't do that, so

698
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: they could then turn around whether Nick Costiano's cost a

699
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: dollar or cost seven hundred and eighty thousand dollars to

700
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: sign a guy who's only a DH, because for Nick

701
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 3: Costianos to play the outfield right now, you'd have to

702
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: put him in armor to protect him. So if you're

703
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: telling me he's a DH who the other team wants

704
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: nothing to do with, to the tune of we'll pay

705
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 3: you twenty million to go away, who split his clubhouse,

706
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: not even split his clubhouse, separated himself from the rest

707
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: of the clubhouse for the way he acted, or if

708
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: you're asking me do I want that in this clubhouse,

709
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: I'm simply saying I'll pass. I'm good. There's a there's

710
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: a there seems to be like a nostalgia versus reality

711
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: thing going on here, because I've heard from so many

712
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: people today through social media who liked long for the

713
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 3: days of five years ago when Nick was flexing over

714
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: a Saint Louis Cardinal. That was five years ago. This

715
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: is now the Nick Costianos, who not even his hometown

716
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: team in Miami wanted him in a trade this week,

717
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: nobody in baseball said we we're we're all good. You

718
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 3: can have him. And the Philly said, oh, I don't

719
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: want him. We're paying him twenty million to go away

720
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: out to the phones and Bellevue we go. Ernie, you

721
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: were on seven hundred WLW plans.

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Speaker 4: We've talked before. You know him, Vig.

723
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Speaker 3: Sam, thank you. Good to hear from you.

724
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Speaker 5: Well, it's good to hear from You're good to talk

725
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 5: to you. I just I look at it differently, you know.

726
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 5: Let me just ask you a question. That she's gonna

727
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 5: pop a beer open on the Terry Francona bench. No,

728
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 5: Nick Castianos returns to Great American Ballpark. I think in

729
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen that three three twenty one.

730
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 3: Well, what year is it now?

731
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: Okay, let me ask you what Wait a minute.

732
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 3: What year is it now? It's twenty twenty six.

733
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 9: He was twenty twenty five and bat of two fifties?

734
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Speaker 9: But how many Reds did that?

735
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: But we're really not We're not reducing him to a

736
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: batting average because the complete picture of Nick Costianos was

737
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: one of the worst offensive players in the game last year.

738
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: Don't get caught up on just the batting average.

739
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 5: Now, listen, Yeah, okay, if he's willing to come in

740
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 5: for one last year and play under Francona in a

741
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 5: ballpark that made him one hundred million dollars player, how

742
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 5: do you know.

743
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 4: What's going to happen?

744
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 5: And if he's willing to sign up for that, and

745
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 5: it's up you know, it's up to Francona. Francona says, yeah,

746
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 5: bring him on. Now, Francona with that guy last year,

747
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: let me ask.

748
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: You why, But why would he do Why would Terry

749
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: do that? Where would he play? Let's just play that game.

750
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: Where would he play?

751
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 5: He would sit on the bench, and he agreed to it.

752
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: Why would he do that?

753
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 5: Well, he didn't play in Philadelphia.

754
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why he wanted out because he was unhappy

755
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: they were taking him out for defensive purposes, and then

756
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: only played twelve of the last twenty five games. So

757
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: why would he come here and be happy.

758
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: Sitting He can still play the outfield.

759
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 3: He can't play the outfield. He can't know that because defensively,

760
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 3: the ratings say he was the worst right fielder in

761
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: the game last year.

762
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 10: Well let's try lepfield.

763
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, So now you're gonna sit Spencer Steer

764
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: to play Nick Costianos.

765
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying that all no.

766
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: No, but I need to know where he's gonna play.

767
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 9: Well, he it's up to what they agree with.

768
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: Well where do you think he'll play? Where do you

769
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: think he should play? Create a new position?

770
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 5: No, I don't and uh, I'm not saying that. What

771
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 5: I'm saying is he's reduced to you. I shouldn't say reduced.

772
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 5: But he's a utility player.

773
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 11: Now if he.

774
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 5: Accepts that, that's an awfully good potential back at that

775
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 5: ballpark on the bench.

776
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: So you want to bring in a utility DH player to.

777
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 9: Hundred and eighty thousand dollars with that, I'm.

778
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: Not I don't care if he was free. If he

779
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: was if Nick Castianos was paying the red seven hundred

780
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: and eighty thousand dollars, I would not want him in

781
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 3: this clubhouse and on this team.

782
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 5: I'm tired of hearing about the clubhouse. We don't know

783
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 5: what goes on down there.

784
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: Well, we know where we're on in Philadelphia. That led

785
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: the Phillies to paying him twenty million dollars to get

786
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 3: him here.

787
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: Not sure about that.

788
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, My god, Ernie, I don't know why.

789
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: I mean, if I if I have to come up

790
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: with something besides facts to convince you. I'm at a

791
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: loss in this argument. I'll admit that.

792
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 5: Where well, well, I'm just asking you, Lance, where are

793
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 5: you getting your factors?

794
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: Well from the Phillies beat writer who talked to the players.

795
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 5: Well he wasn't there.

796
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what else? Ernie? I love you, but

797
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: I got a run. I got to talk to somebody

798
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: else because my head's gonna explode reading we go, Michael,

799
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: you were on seven hundred WLW. Lance, how are you? Oh,

800
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: I've got stuff. I'm losing out of my ears right now.

801
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I hear you. Listen, I hear you.

802
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 4: But here but here, Here's here's what I'm saying.

803
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: Oh boy, I agree, trip down. We're going back to

804
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: twenty twenty plans. So listen.

805
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: You want to talk about nostalgia, that's fine. But if

806
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: he if he would have had that season somewhere else

807
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 2: and not here, Okay, what season thirty.

808
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 11: Four the one that we're talking about when he was

809
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 11: in Cincinnati, thirty four.

810
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 3: Home runs we should be talking about, But we shouldn't

811
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: be talking about that season because that's when he was

812
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: a legitimate baseball.

813
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 11: You're talking, you're talking about nostalgia of him being here,

814
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 11: but that nostalgia is also the season he had here.

815
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 11: That means that he would have had that season somewhere

816
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 11: else if I'm looking.

817
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: At it, I don't know how twenty twenty one relates

818
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty six. He was a capable baseball player,

819
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: then he's an indo capable baseball player.

820
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: Now, Lance, I understand that, And like, I don't know

821
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: if I.

822
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 4: Didn't, I didn't say that yet.

823
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: Have I said that yet?

824
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 12: Well?

825
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 3: What are you leading up to? Cut to the chase?

826
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: Because they're drama. Let me talk.

827
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 11: I think that if Nick Cassians can eat some crow,

828
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 11: it can come in and I don't know if he.

829
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: Is that this is a very.

830
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Speaker 11: Big gift and he could come in and he can

831
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 11: provide a right handed bat off the pinch. Okay, Okay, fine,

832
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 11: he can provide some pop and a little bit of

833
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 11: whatever it is.

834
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 8: Okay, I don't Lance.

835
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 11: It would be a little bit of what the back

836
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 11: of his baseball card says, which is what you like

837
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 11: to talk about a lot.

838
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 3: Lance created a scenario where Nick Costianos, who was unhappy

839
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: not playing in Philadelphia, would be happy.

840
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 4: I do agree.

841
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: I do agree with that. But what about injuries?

842
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 2: What happens if Matt McClain is not great?

843
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 3: What happened to spend gonna play second bases? What you're

844
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: telling me, I don't know what. He's gonna play left field.

845
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: He's gonna play left field because Spencer might come in

846
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: play third old.

847
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how to explain this. He can't play

848
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: the outfield. He's a danger to himself and the outfield.

849
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 3: I agree.

850
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, listen, I'm not disagreeing with you, but

851
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's.

852
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 11: Worth enough to kick the tires on it.

853
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: I think it's worth a nine toes hurt. I kicked

854
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 3: him in my toes.

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00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: I know it does answer.

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00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 13: Listen.

857
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 11: You and I go back and forth sometime on Facebook,

858
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 11: and I appreciate you.

859
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: There is nothing better than a great baseball debate.

860
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: I agree, and.

861
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 11: I think that he offers a little bit of value.

862
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 11: I don't think that he's gonna pull the same stuff

863
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 11: that he pulled with with these other managers and even

864
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 11: with David Bell, with Terry Francona. But at seven hundred

865
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 11: and fifty thousand.

866
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: Dollars, it's it's at least worth I think a conversation. Okay,

867
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, and and that's it.

868
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 11: Because we have injuries, we have all the unprovenness in

869
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 11: the red in enfield that we don't know what's going

870
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 11: to happen. And they have said Spencer Steers's best position

871
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 11: it is probably second base.

872
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: Who knows what happens with who knows what happens with injury?

873
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 3: Who knows how much this way? If this season hinges

874
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: on Nick Costianos, then this team's in a hell of

875
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: a lot of trouble.

876
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 11: Yes, I agree we're screwed, but you could do a

877
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 11: lot worse.

878
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I know I that's I

879
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: think that's a stretch because the numbers would tell you

880
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: Nick Costianos was unequivocally one of the worst players in

881
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: baseball last year.

882
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 9: I hear, I hear that.

883
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 11: But what you would you take your would you take

884
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 11: Nick Cassianus or JJ Bloede?

885
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: I would take I would play with twenty five guys

886
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: before I would you take I would you would JJ Hoover,

887
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: I would take name anybody over Nick Costianos.

888
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 9: Literally yeah, I hear you, I hear you.

889
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 11: But listen, man, I.

890
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: Think it's it's a good debate.

891
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna do it.

892
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 11: But you know, there there are less there, there are

893
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 11: worse options. I think that we could come up with.

894
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 11: Then maybe Nick Cassiana to be was forced into a

895
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 11: role to play right field and Marte moves the left

896
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 11: or whatever. Like, we're not talking about this guy coming

897
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 11: in and playing one hundred and forty games. We would

898
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 11: be talking about him coming in and some injuries or

899
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 11: some spots starts and providing a little bit of pop.

900
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 11: But again, what you said with the with the clubhouse

901
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 11: saying that would concern me.

902
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: That's I'm I'm ninety seconds late for News. I enjoyed this.

903
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: Let's do it agod bye, right, all right, thank you,

904
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: thank you for the call. We're my apologies to News.

905
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 3: It's our new carrier, Sports Talk presented back. I need

906
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: a drake seven hundred WLW. I'm here seven thirty nine,

907
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW. You quick check on my pacemaker raft.

908
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: That's a good two weeks off the pacemaker battery life,

909
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: at least two weeks. And let me be clear on

910
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: Nick Costianos, I don't care about the money. I don't

911
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: even really care for the purposes of this argument about

912
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 3: the incident in Philadelphia, take both of those out of

913
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: the equation. What matters most is Nick Costianos can't hit,

914
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: he can't run, he can't field in every way possible,

915
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: In every way, shape and form of analyzing his twenty

916
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: twenty five season, he was a negative player. He was

917
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: the worst version of himself of his career. And he's

918
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 3: going to be thirty four and there's no place for

919
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: him to play here. They already have a DH I

920
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 3: would play with twenty five before I added Nick Costianos.

921
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: If I haven't made myself clear, let's got a Sharonville

922
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: Gavin you were on seven hundred WLW Lance.

923
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 10: I would not take any chance whatsoever. I don't care

924
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 10: anything about Nick Castianos at this point. The last thing

925
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 10: that you ever want on your team, whether it be

926
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 10: your chess team, your football team, your basketball team, your

927
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 10: hockey team, your Titteleywinks team, it doesn't matter the last

928
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 10: thing you ever want on a team and will bring

929
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 10: it down more quickly than anything else. Is a malcontent

930
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 10: And that's what he is. He's just negative energy in

931
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 10: your locker room, on your team the entire time. The

932
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 10: last thing the Reds need right now is a negative energy,

933
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 10: malcontent individual that thinks that he should be starting. He

934
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 10: thinks he should be not taken out for his poor defense,

935
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 10: and all of these things. Just everything is just screaming Lance.

936
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 10: The last person you want on this team right now

937
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 10: that just made the playoffs for the first time in

938
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 10: quite a while is that guy.

939
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

940
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: And it's not like we're arguing that he's coming off

941
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: a three hundred season, thirty bombs and one hundred RBIs.

942
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: We're trying to determine can we get can we accept

943
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: the negative with the good? There is no good he

944
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: bring to the conversation right now. That's what I don't get.

945
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 3: He's not a baseball player anymore, so I know, I

946
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 3: just don't they they don't lack leadership. Everybody loves au

947
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: Aio Suarez. They've got a d H. They've got young

948
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 3: and impressionable players who play with a lot of energy.

949
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: And in Philadelphia they were wondering what way, man, why

950
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: is Nick mad when he's being taken out lad in games?

951
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 3: So we can have a better defender to help us

952
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: win games. That's how was you in Philadelphia? He didn't

953
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: want to come out of games, and everybody else was saying,

954
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 3: but we're putting in a better defender to help us

955
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 3: win a game. Why wouldn't you want that?

956
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 10: I couldn't agree more. Lance of malcontent on any team

957
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 10: will bring it down quicker than anything. Just one person

958
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 10: can just spoil the entire team. And it's like people

959
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 10: that are calling in and saying that they would take

960
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 10: a chance on him, It's like.

961
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: Why, Yeah, that's that's that's a great way to put it.

962
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 3: Just tell me the why, because there isn't a why

963
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: that justifies it. They're just they're just agree there. I know.

964
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 10: Good talking to you, Lance, and hope to talk to

965
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 10: you again soon, Gavin.

966
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: Thank you right back at you. I hope to do

967
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 3: it again soon. I hope I'm all right. I hope

968
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 3: I haven't passed out. I hope I haven't blast blacked out.

969
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: Bar Field, we go, Andy, how are you hey?

970
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 12: Lance is calling to make sure you're okay. I heard

971
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 12: you talking about the app, just making sure everything.

972
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: Is cool there.

973
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: I need some warning signs on my app right now.

974
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

975
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 12: Well, two things, real quick. Couldn't agree more about Castiana's

976
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 12: the past, all the things with the Phillies, all the

977
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 12: drama aside just doesn't matter.

978
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: These people that.

979
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 12: Are saying he should come here are probably the same

980
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 12: ones that complain here after year how the Reds always

981
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 12: signed this guy at the end of the career because

982
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 12: he's cheap. So first of all, that's first. But second,

983
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 12: here's the perfect analogy to say why we don't need him. Yes,

984
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 12: you have two adult children that live in apartments. I

985
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 12: have one as well. I'm going to assume that's true.

986
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 12: If Home Depot has a lawnmower ninety percent off on Clarence,

987
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 12: they won't go buy it. That is my That's why

988
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 12: we don't need Testianus. He just doesn't sit our needs.

989
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just yeah, it's I mean maybe if they hadn't,

990
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: if we were still at a point minus Sworez, we

991
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: were still wringing our hands saying, man, they don't have

992
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: a bat and they say they're out of money, what

993
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: are we gonna do? I might might be able to

994
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,959
Speaker 3: sit here tonight and say, well, you know, he'd only

995
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 3: be seven hundred and eighty thousand. But I don't even

996
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: think that I could make the case for it, because

997
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 3: he's just not a baseball player anymore.

998
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: Nope, it's there's nowhere.

999
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 12: I mean even take like I said, take all of

1000
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 12: the rest of it away. There's just nowhere for him

1001
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 12: on this team. He can't play second base like you

1002
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 12: about had an aneurysm about.

1003
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 3: Andy. I enjoyed this.

1004
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 9: I'll let you go and give everybody else the next team.

1005
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: All right, have a have a great night. Oh let's

1006
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 3: get a different perspective. Bridged out Joe, what are you doing? Hey?

1007
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 5: Lance?

1008
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 9: How's it going?

1009
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 3: I don't know anymore.

1010
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, I look at it this one.

1011
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 9: I understand everybody's perspective. I get the whole point of

1012
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 9: you know, if it only worn't a certain amount of money,

1013
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 9: you can take a flyer on him. But I get

1014
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 9: the other side of it. Why would you get him?

1015
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 9: But let me tell you this right now, it's many

1016
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 9: people that are not wanting him. Those same people weren't

1017
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 9: saying that take away twenty twenty five man's in this

1018
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 9: city were livid when the reds let when you walk

1019
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 9: out of here. So these people that call your radio

1020
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 9: show and say, oh, well, we wouldn't want them all

1021
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 9: they want saying that three years ago, it's all convenient

1022
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 9: the way this fan base.

1023
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: But three years ago is like dog years for a

1024
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: major league player. I mean it means nothing. I mean,

1025
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: Nicky's I.

1026
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 9: Understand now, and I understand that. But here's where I'm

1027
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 9: looking at it. If you get you sit him in

1028
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 9: the room and Tito says, you know what, I think

1029
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 9: we could get something out of him. Worst case scenario

1030
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 9: comes in. Guess what. It doesn't work out, you let

1031
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 9: him go. Its worst case scenario because you know what's

1032
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 9: gonna happen. You're gonna have injuries are gonna pop up somewhere.

1033
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 9: It doesn't hurt at least pick a little flyer. And

1034
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 9: then he's as if he's a head case under taking

1035
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 9: a flyer.

1036
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 3: Under the guise of what him doing, what in playing

1037
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: where where for.

1038
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 9: This team over the guys that get him in the

1039
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 9: spring training. If if you have massive injuries, you may

1040
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 9: use it. If you don't, guess what, if it's not

1041
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 9: working about the in the spring training, you let him

1042
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 9: go with the cheap price you just signed him for

1043
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 9: and then at least you.

1044
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 5: Let him go.

1045
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 9: It doesn't wouldn't hurt to look at it as all

1046
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 9: I'm saying. And with Tito, you gotta remember this isn't

1047
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 9: This is not a David Bell roster anymore. This is

1048
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 9: the Terry Frankcona roster who has been in the multiple postseasons,

1049
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 9: multiple World series.

1050
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: Is take it.

1051
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 9: If he is okay with taking a flyer, I would

1052
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 9: be okay with it. But if it's you know, you're

1053
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 9: not giving up a bunch of prospects anyway for him

1054
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 9: now he's been released. But I also look at it

1055
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 9: from the other side. If you don't want them, don't

1056
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 9: get him. But if for some strange reason, let's just

1057
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 9: turn the fluke out there, Let's say the red don't

1058
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 9: get Hi. Mean, I don't think the Reds are gonna

1059
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 9: go for him anyway. But if let's just say the

1060
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 9: Cubs were to sign him and he has a breakout

1061
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 9: here with Chicago, I don't want to hear people call

1062
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 9: your radio show at the plane that they should have

1063
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 9: signed him. That's what I don't want to hear.

1064
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: I will I will make a vow that that will

1065
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: not include me.

1066
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 9: I know that, but I'm saying the people who because

1067
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 9: it's it's kind of hindsight. You don't know what you're

1068
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 9: gonna see, you're never gonna Maybe he thinks, no what,

1069
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 9: Maybe I'll come back to Cincinnati. Maybe I'll bust my

1070
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 9: tail for them, because when he was here, he wasn't.

1071
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: Like Well again, I don't think anybody tonight has question

1072
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: whether he's gonna bust his tail or not. I'm only questioning,

1073
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: and I'm not even questioning. I'm just pointing out the

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Speaker 3: fact he can't play anymore.

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Speaker 9: Well, I guess what, though he's gonna sign, someone's gonna

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Speaker 9: sign him. He's gonna play somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe he won't.

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Speaker 12: He won't play here.

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Speaker 9: I don't think. I don't like I said, I don't

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00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 9: think they're gonna sign him anyway because they've stepped the money.

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Speaker 9: But how the amount you said he was worth, and

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Speaker 9: it would hurt at least take a real fire on.

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Speaker 9: Say hey, how you doing? How things going?

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Speaker 8: Okay?

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Speaker 9: You don't want to do that, Buye, You're out the door.

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Speaker 4: De doesn't want to ride the bench.

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Speaker 3: All right, Joe. I've calmed down and I've appreciated and

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Speaker 3: enjoyed our conversation. I'm gonna let you go. How's that

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Speaker 3: all right?

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Speaker 12: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Let's I gotta take a time out. I'm

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 3: looking at my app still says eight total years of

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00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: battery life left and it is active. There is communication

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00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: between my hurt device and the app right now. It

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00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: says it's active, means your hurt device can automatically send

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00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: information to your clinic. It's being sent now. I may

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Speaker 3: get a call er in the break from the clinic. Hey,

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Speaker 3: just checking is this reading correct? Well, there was that

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00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 3: moment back at about seven thirty six. It was this

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00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: is our now Carrier Sports doc presented by Kelsey Chevrolet

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00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW. Okay. We have a developing situation in

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Speaker 3: Major League Baseball, specifically the Cincinnati Reds. The Associated Press

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00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: is reporting the following, and this was passed on by

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00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: Charlie Goldsmith moments ago on his Twitter feed. And this

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00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: is a story from the Associated Press, which was at

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00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: an owner's meeting today in Florida where Rob Manford spoke

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00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: and teams approved the following. Phil Castellini seceeding Bob as

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00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: the controlling owner of the Cincinnati Reds. Again, the Associated

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00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: Press reporting this afternoon that two teams reached approval today.

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Speaker 3: Teams approved two changes in controlling owners. Red CEO Phil

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00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: Castellini seceedes his father and Minnesota Twins board member Tom

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00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:52,959
Speaker 3: Pohlad takes over from his younger brother Bob. And that's

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00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: all the report indicates. This is a lengthy story from

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00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 3: the Associated Press on the meetings today. It is a

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00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: one paragraph sub section in this story. Bob Casteline, if

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Speaker 3: you're wondering, is eighty four years of age. The Reds

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01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: have somewhere in the neighborhood of I'm gonna say sixteen,

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: that there are Actually it's a it's an ownership group.

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01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: Bob Castellini was the principal owner and managing partner since

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Speaker 3: two thousand and six. The leadership group involves some are

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01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood of sixteen stakeholders, minority owners, so to speak.

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01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: So again, according to the Associated Press tonight, Phil is

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Speaker 3: taking over for Bob. Now Bob is eighty four years

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01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 3: of age. There would be a natural process of handing

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01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 3: that over at some point. You certainly hope it is

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 3: not directly specifically related to health issues. But that's the

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01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 3: report from the Associated Press. Tonight, and I'm looking here,

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01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 3: pardon me as I look through Twitter at this moment

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01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 3: for anything that has followed this. There Charlie is awaiting

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01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: a comment from the organization. Nothing. Let me scroll through here,

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01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: let me check my email. Nothing from the organization tonight.

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01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 3: But again the Associated Press reporting that things have been

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01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 3: handed off from Bob to Phil. There you go, and

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: that in terms of the controlling owner of a group

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Speaker 3: of I'm gonna guess sixteen is a ballpark figure. It

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01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 3: might be a little bit higher, it might be a

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01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 3: little bit lower, but it's never been. It's never been

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01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,959
Speaker 3: Bob Castelini owned the Rats. It was Bob and Phil

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01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 3: and a group and the how do I want to

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01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 3: say this, The largest majority share was the Castelline's. I

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01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 3: guess is the best word choice to use. Managing general

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01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: partner go from Russ Jackson. I have while we're doing this,

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01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm not very good at texting and talking at the

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01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: same time. I am texting those who would know to

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01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 3: see if they can tell me yes or no. And

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01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 3: I've not heard back. So that is the latest and

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01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 3: all I have for you from the Associated Press. Let's

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Speaker 3: go back to the films. How about the Hamilton, Jeremy,

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01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 3: you were on seven hunterd WLW.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Alance, how's it going.

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01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm okay, how about you.

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01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 4: Doing all right?

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01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 13: I think I agree with you on the Cassianos situation

1154
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 13: where there's not a position for him to play, so

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Speaker 13: I don't see the reason. But if he was willing

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Speaker 13: to be a bench player, like some other callers said,

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Speaker 13: I think that's one of the biggest pieces the Reds

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01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 13: are missy as a late game pen shitter, and I

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01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 13: think he would fit that role. Yeah, he had a

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01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 13: bad season last year, but players all have a season.

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01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 13: That's what we're all hoping. Matt McClain's issue was like,

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01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 13: I don't I don't see why he couldn't help the

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01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 13: Reds out late in the game there If he's willing

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Speaker 13: to take on that role.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think. Let's see right now, there

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01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 3: bench would be somebody in the form of Dame Myers,

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 3: JJ Blede, Jose Travino, and probably in one other depending

1168
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 3: on who's playing that day. I guess that that then

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01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: you're asking for two things to happen, one Nick being

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Speaker 3: willing to come off the bench, and two Nick being

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Speaker 3: able to perform as as a major leaguer. So I

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Speaker 3: just I I'll put it this way. I would be

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Speaker 3: more than stunned if the Reds sniffed Nick Costianos at

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Speaker 3: this point.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I think they have

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Speaker 13: you know, I think one big thing going on this

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Speaker 13: year that I'm a little disappointed in was built in

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Speaker 13: the depth. I mean, we're gonna miss guys like Watson,

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01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 13: espinall that you know, had some clutch at bats, you know,

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01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 13: and if there was an injury. I mean we had

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Speaker 13: like guys like.

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Speaker 4: Connor Joe and right Phil last year.

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Speaker 13: I mean, I think with the bad year is a

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Speaker 13: little bit better player than Connor Joe.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 13: Yeah, I might take a flyer.

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Speaker 3: There you go. Hey, I enjoyed it, Thanks for checking in.

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: All right? Uh, I wish I wish I had more

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Speaker 3: time tonight. I'm out of it. I'm I'm out of

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01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 3: sorts because I'm trying to figure out if there's more

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Speaker 3: to this right now that's being reported any place else.

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01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 3: I just have for you what the Associated press is saying.

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01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 3: So uh, stay tuned. Uh if details unfold tonight, if

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01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 3: the Red's issue a statement, that'll certainly be covered at

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Speaker 3: top and bottom of the news and let's see Wednesday night.

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Speaker 3: Is that Dan Carroll tonight? I'm sure if there's anything

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Speaker 3: more of this, Dan Carroll would have more of that.

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Speaker 3: But again, right now, it's happened with two teams today.

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01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 3: The controlling ownership the two in charge of two major

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01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: league teams that has changed hands today with the Reds

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Speaker 3: and the Twins passed on to Phil Castle.

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Speaker 13: League.

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Speaker 3: All right, I gotta get out of here. Let's do

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Speaker 3: three hours tomorrow night. I've got an off the beaten

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01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 3: path topic I feel pretty good about. I discovered it,

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Speaker 3: uncovered it late in the afternoon. Within ten minutes of that,

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Speaker 3: I've passed it on to UC Chris and I said,

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01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 3: what do you think? I had one in mind, but

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Speaker 3: I think this would be better, and he said I

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Speaker 3: would agree it will work. So we'll do that tomorrow night.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask this question earlier. Our Red's topic

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Speaker 3: tomorrow night will be based on what we now know

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01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 3: as full squad will be on hand over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Do you consider, now with the hay in the barn

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Speaker 3: so to speak of this roster, do you consider the

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Speaker 3: Reds a contender for the National League Central Your homework

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01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: assignment if you will for tomorrow. Thanks for hanging out tonight.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Russ Jackson for producing Let's Do It Tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Stick around. The news is next. This is RNL Carrier

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