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Speaker 1: Your host, Ken Brew on news Radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we'll come on in. Yes, yes, yes, going through

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Speaker 2: a little withdrawal here, no football to talk about, per se.

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Speaker 2: We can always look ahead and we will as to

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Speaker 2: what the landscape may look for the Bengals in the

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Speaker 2: next three or four months. But we're right there now

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Speaker 2: in the middle of basketball season. The Olympics are going

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Speaker 2: on over in the line, and baseball has begun. Baseball

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Speaker 2: has begun spring training, entire team on the field yesterday

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Speaker 2: and goodyear, And we'll get into exactly the whys and

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Speaker 2: the wherefores and why people seem to think that this

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Speaker 2: Reds lineup may have gotten appreciably better, not just with

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Speaker 2: the signing of au Hanio Soarez, but what developed over

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Speaker 2: the last forty eight hours as well. So you know,

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Speaker 2: the Reds are like a lot of teams right now.

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Speaker 2: They're not sure about their revenue stream. They're not sure

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Speaker 2: about where their TV money is coming from. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I totally get that. I do, because you when you're

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Speaker 2: in a market the size of Cincinnati, you need as

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Speaker 2: many dollars as possible to compete against the big boys.

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Speaker 2: And just because the big boys have a lot of

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Speaker 2: money does not necessarily mean the big boys are going

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Speaker 2: to win World Series championships, although invariably it looks like

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Speaker 2: that's the way it works. Nevertheless, like a lot of teams,

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Speaker 2: the Reds are picking up bargains along the way as

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Speaker 2: they get ready for opening Day here. That'll be here

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Speaker 2: before you know it. So we'll get into what the

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Speaker 2: Reds may or may not be up to also on

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Speaker 2: the show today. Scheduling in college football. Now, I know

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Speaker 2: this is probably something that could be dry as paced,

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Speaker 2: but it really isn't a lot of these schools now

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Speaker 2: are pushing towards ten conference games during a college football season.

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Speaker 2: Why is that important? Because the playoffs may be expanding.

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Speaker 2: There's no appetite yet for it from a dollars standpoint

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Speaker 2: when you get to places like ESPN, But it is coming.

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Speaker 2: And then will that an essence do away with the

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Speaker 2: need for some of these college football teams to schedule

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Speaker 2: teams that have no business being on their schedule other

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Speaker 2: than to provide a glorified scrimmage for the team that

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Speaker 2: is the big dog and provide a pretty good payday

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Speaker 2: for the team that is the let's just say the

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Speaker 2: victim in these games as they can get on a

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Speaker 2: bus and go home with hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 2: Some of the topics we'll get into between now and

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Speaker 2: when we are done at eleven thirty and leading into

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Speaker 2: UC basketball. The Bearcats at home today against Utah. It's

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Speaker 2: twelve o'clock tip. Pregame show begins at eleven thirty. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's get some basketball that has transpired in the last

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours and a few other things, and let's

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Speaker 2: start with Xavier. Xavier is they're up and down. It's

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Speaker 2: not the kind of team I think that Richard Patino

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Speaker 2: into swoons during games where defense becomes something of a

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Speaker 2: foreign object to them. But nevertheless, they played Marquette yesterday

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Speaker 2: and Marquette is not good. Marquette is now nine to

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Speaker 2: seventeen after the loss, and Xavier won ninety six eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: And you could make a case of looking at that

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Speaker 2: game yesterday that Xavier could have possibly scored one hundred

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Speaker 2: little bit better. But they got four four starters in

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Speaker 2: double figures, They shot forty seven percent, they out rebounded Marquette,

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Speaker 2: It was one of those games where you know, Patino

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Speaker 2: after the game, he could tell in his voice he

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Speaker 2: his team afterwards, things that they could work on. Look,

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Speaker 2: is it's mid February and from a lot of teams

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Speaker 2: sixty eight. Probable, maybe not, but possible. Yes, here's Patino

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Speaker 3: Offensively, we were phenomenal. Defensively we were an absolute train wreck.

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Speaker 3: Marquette had a lot to do with it. But you know,

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Speaker 3: Marquete's been playing very very well. Beat a very good

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Speaker 2: Nay one ninety six eighty eight is the final, So

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Speaker 2: they're now thirteen and twelve after that win. Yesterday, Florida

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Speaker 2: Florida a lot. Florida is big upfront, and Florida will

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Speaker 2: But this was a game that, again, you never really

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Speaker 2: it just looked like one of those days where you

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Speaker 2: here he is afterwards after falling to seventeen and eight

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I thought Florida played terrific and.

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Speaker 2: They were exactly who they are. Their physical They beat.

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Speaker 4: Us up on the glass, and our guys are always reserving.

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Speaker 2: That's who we are. So I'm not surprised about it.

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Speaker 2: That's our expectation. You know. We we earned a lot

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Speaker 4: On and then and then you know, we kind of

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Speaker 2: They did, they did. It was it was not pretty

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Speaker 2: little subplot of the game. Kentucky guard Denzel Aberdeen played

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Speaker 2: at Florida the last three years, part of that national

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Speaker 2: championship team in March, was booed loudly by the Florida fans.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's life in college athletics anymore, right, College

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Speaker 2: athletics is where's the money, Show me the money. And

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Speaker 2: I don't blame the fans, and I don't blame Aberdeen,

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Speaker 2: and I don't sleep on Florida at all. I don't

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Speaker 2: Not sure it is. They're nineteen and six, but that's

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Speaker 2: Utah is nine and fifteen. But they have, as I said,

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Speaker 2: played better. The Bearcats have played better. The ball movement

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Speaker 2: the other night was better at k State. Gisel James

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Speaker 5: I don't know if if anything that was said publicly

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Speaker 5: They they've been incredibly resilient all year. Like you know,

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Speaker 5: the record and some of the stuff that we've dealt with.

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Speaker 5: Winning loss has been very difficult. But it's been really

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Speaker 5: rewarding to work with this group because it's been the

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Speaker 5: it's looked better on the court, but their approach.

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Speaker 6: Day in the day also kind of been the same

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Speaker 2: They yeah, same all year. Okay, that's good. That's consistency.

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Speaker 2: Results all year not very good, but again a team

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Speaker 2: today they should be You'll hear it as I say

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Speaker 2: here on seven hundred a WLW tipoff is at noon.

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Speaker 2: Pregame show begins at eleven thirty one. Other college basketball

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Speaker 2: note from last night, Arizona lost again. Arizona lost again

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on Arizona. JT toppin thirty one for

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Speaker 2: Texas Tech last night, thirteen rebounds, thirty one points in

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Speaker 2: the big story always, it seems like, is Miami basketball.

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Speaker 2: And it was on Friday when the Ohio Bobcats came

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Speaker 2: got to make your free throws in any kind of streak. Invariably,

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Speaker 2: if you look at a team that's on a streak,

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Speaker 2: regardless of what it does from the field, regardless of

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Speaker 2: you got to win, do to win, you got to

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Speaker 2: make your free throws. Brent Bryant had twenty one points,

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Speaker 2: thirteen of sixteen. Meanwhile, the head coach is Travis Steele.

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Speaker 2: And I've said this before and I'll say it again.

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Speaker 2: you have a good program in Xavier, and you marry

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Speaker 2: the two. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you're talented, and sometimes the place you're going to

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Speaker 2: I think too traditional. They look at it and say, well,

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Speaker 2: It's not really up there with the ACC and the

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Speaker 2: blue bloods. And look, I'm telling you, in this day

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Speaker 2: but you offer the right situation to showcase your talent

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Speaker 2: for whatever it may lead you to. Past college basketball.

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Speaker 2: It's not like it was in the old days. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's a lot of what's going on at Miami.

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Speaker 2: You got a good school, you got a good coach,

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Speaker 2: You've got a different environment for college basketball. Still after

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Speaker 7: It's going to service really well move into into March, right,

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Speaker 7: because we've been in every situation and our guys have

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Speaker 6: Execute in those moments.

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Speaker 7: But I do think, and it's like I told our guys,

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Speaker 2: at WLW nine twenty seven. Yeah. So the Olympics are

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Speaker 10: Apparently it's okay touching the rock after the dogline.

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Speaker 6: I haven't done it once.

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Speaker 6: You haven't done it once. I haven't done it once.

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Speaker 6: We've known them for twenty years so and it's happened

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Speaker 2: Great to have you with us. You know it starts

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Speaker 2: our good buddy, Kevin Wallace. Kevin, how are you on

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Speaker 2: this glorious Sunday?

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Speaker 13: Ken doing great? Excited to be back in the season.

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Speaker 2: Yes, do you know anything about university dial o and

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Speaker 13: I think the good news for FC Cincinnati fans is

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Speaker 13: They are something very popular in Latin America, and something

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they're college guys getting paid, so it's kind

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Speaker 13: It's almost as if the NFL decided to expand and

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Speaker 2: All right, So this is the kan Kakaf Cup and

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Speaker 2: coming Saturday night at home against Atlanta United. Just look,

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Speaker 2: what do we know about this team that's been in

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Speaker 13: You got a couple of reasons to be very optimistic.

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Speaker 13: One of them is is that the.

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Speaker 6: Team hasn't changed all that much.

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Speaker 13: And at least we forget. This is a team that

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Speaker 13: finished in second place overall, and did lose in the playoffs,

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Speaker 13: but lost to the eventual champions. This is a team

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Speaker 13: No Lucho Acosta drama, no adding a vander in the

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Speaker 13: give you another one, sure, Kevin den Ka. Kevin den

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Speaker 13: Ka is I think a guy poised to break out

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Speaker 13: this year. He had a good year last year. But

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Speaker 13: in MLS circles, there is a phenomenon that we call

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Speaker 13: the Gos theorem, and that is a player coming in

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Speaker 13: from overseas doesn't do as well the first year, they

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Speaker 13: find their their level. In the second year, they get

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Speaker 13: used to the travel, they get used the environment, they

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Speaker 13: used to the teams, and they tend to explode in

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Speaker 13: the second year. I think Kevin Dinka is a perfect

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Speaker 13: candidate for a Goss theorems second year and we could

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Speaker 13: be looking at a guy challenging for the scoring title

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Speaker 13: at the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, well, well they're they're set in goal obviously,

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Speaker 2: Bouka is back. You mentioned Denk. You still have a

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Speaker 2: Vander on this team, teenage headed bay he's in his

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Speaker 2: twent his teenage, in his twenties now and will he

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Speaker 2: have to change his first name?

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Speaker 13: Thankfully for all of our six he gets to keep

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Speaker 13: his name. But yeah, I think he's like twenty four now.

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Speaker 14: Very very confusing, Yeah, very confusing. And they still have Ender.

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Speaker 14: They still have Ender at Chenni Kay. I always liked him.

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Speaker 14: But my point being is I think an enhancement of

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Speaker 14: your point. They haven't changed a lot. Creativity in the

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Speaker 14: midfield was somewhat of a challenge I thought at times

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Speaker 14: last year or Ashano was no longer with this club.

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Speaker 14: So what happens now to the midfield the guys that

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Speaker 14: actually worked to set this whole the whole attack up.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: The name to pay attention here is Samuel Geedy or

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Speaker 13: Sammy Geedy. This is a youngster that came in in

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Speaker 13: the middle of the season last year, showed a tremendous

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Speaker 13: amount of promise and he is somebody that based on

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Speaker 13: what we're seeing from preseason lineups and some of the

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Speaker 13: feedback we've gotten from Florida, is he made. I've already

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Speaker 13: won the starting job in the midfield over Obino Woboedo.

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Speaker 13: He's a guy that can play both offense and defense

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Speaker 13: in the midfield, and he is He's starting to get

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Speaker 13: looks from his national team, and it's it's somebody that

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Speaker 13: is very, very promising. Is he can take that step

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Speaker 13: up this year? The sky's the limit for this team

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Speaker 13: because they they've really been missing a player like that

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Speaker 13: since Obino Woboedo's twenty twenty three season. He gets injured

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Speaker 13: in the playoffs that year, part of the reason why

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Speaker 13: they don't go all the way that year, and he

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Speaker 13: comes back to the next couple of years, it wasn't

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Speaker 13: quite the same. Gide finally looks like the heir to

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Speaker 13: that position and may very well unlock the rest of

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Speaker 13: this team.

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Speaker 2: Now, last week, I stepped outside my house and I

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Speaker 2: unveiled a brand new double breasted Pablo se Corp suit.

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Speaker 2: Also last week, FC Cincinnati unveiled their seven Hills kits.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what either one means other than we're

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Speaker 2: both well dressed. But what are these Seven Hills kits thing?

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Speaker 2: What are they all about?

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Speaker 13: This is a fun thing that MLS does every year

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Speaker 13: basically teams where you can think of it as a

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Speaker 13: home and away they like to think of it as

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Speaker 13: a primary and secondary kit, and they swap them out

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Speaker 13: every two years for one of the kits. So in

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Speaker 13: this case, it was the old Canvas kit, which was

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Speaker 13: some brilliant marketing for what was essentially a white T

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Speaker 13: shirt of a jersey this going. It's got some nice

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Speaker 13: zigzag orange on there. There's seven peaks that are said

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Speaker 13: to represent the Seven Hills. Based on some of the

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Speaker 13: feedback we've seen around the league from fans using a

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Speaker 13: kit ranking app, it seems to be well regarded amongst

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Speaker 13: them kit aficionados.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought there was a reason. I saw some

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Speaker 2: club officials getting those three packs of Haynes shirts at

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Speaker 2: at Macy's last year before the season began. All Right,

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Speaker 2: who's not healthy? Is there anybody not healthy and injured

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Speaker 2: and not going to be able to answer the bell

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Speaker 2: this week?

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Speaker 13: So the the maybe the million and a half dollar

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Speaker 13: question hanging over this team is the health and maybe

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Speaker 13: even further the status of Matt and THEOSGA. He did

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Speaker 13: not feature for a second in the preseason. Pat Noonan

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Speaker 13: said that was not the plan. We know he he

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Speaker 13: had some knee work. I don't know if we could

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Speaker 13: call it surgery right at the beginning of preseason. But

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Speaker 13: Nihaska is an interesting case. He's an incredibly important important

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Speaker 13: player when he's on the field for FC Cincinnati. The

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Speaker 13: results with him out there versus not out there are

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Speaker 13: pretty draymnatic. However, at the end of last year, we

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Speaker 13: got word that he was injured and then came back

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Speaker 13: but was not in the team or wasn't in training,

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Speaker 13: and it wasn't clear what was going on. And it

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Speaker 13: seems like we're still there this year, so he is

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Speaker 13: either too injured to play or something else is going on.

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Speaker 13: I would say for fans, I would just go ahead

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Speaker 13: and write off Netanyoska playing this season, and if he

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Speaker 13: shows up, view it as a bonus.

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Speaker 2: The season has a lot.

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Speaker 13: Of salary for a very key descender to be sitting

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Speaker 13: on the bench or sitting elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Why would it be this sea, I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 2: he hasn't he's been really never recovered from that injury

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Speaker 2: he suffered a couple of years ago. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know he's come back and played in Spurs budd he

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Speaker 2: hasn't been the same kind of player. Why would it

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Speaker 2: be out for this season? First of all, if a

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Speaker 2: player's out for the season, the club normally well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know soccer teams are a little bit different than

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Speaker 2: you know, mainline teams. They don't have to disclose severity

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Speaker 2: of injuries. But still, uh, are you Are you suggesting

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Speaker 2: that there's a possibility that we don't see this dude

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Speaker 2: all year?

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Speaker 13: So I would I would look at it this way too.

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Speaker 13: He might want to go play somewhere else, or another

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Speaker 13: team may take a flyer on his health that FC

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Speaker 13: Cincinnati isn't interested in, uh, you know, taking that risk

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Speaker 13: with him would certainly be one one aspect of this

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Speaker 13: I'd be looking at. The other is MLS teams have

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Speaker 13: the option of designating one player year to UH the

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Speaker 13: season ending injury UH list, which basically gives that player's

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Speaker 13: salary back to the club to go spend on a player.

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Speaker 13: And what's key here is that Nasa is in the

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Speaker 13: last year of his deal. At the end of this year,

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Speaker 13: he'd becomes He's an unrestricted free agent, and so there's

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Speaker 13: some piece of this where I'm sure Miyosga's looking for

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Speaker 13: a longer term deal, whether that's here in Cincinnati or elsewhere.

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Speaker 6: So there could be, you know.

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Speaker 13: Some holdout aspect to all of this. And like you said,

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Speaker 13: the last few times we did see him out, he

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Speaker 13: was much slower. He wasn't quite the same player. It's

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Speaker 13: very possible he is more injured than any body's been

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Speaker 13: led to believe. There's a lot of things going on

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Speaker 13: with this. None of them scream out to you that

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Speaker 13: he's going to get really healthy and be really awesome

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Speaker 13: this year. Nothing, it can't happen. Just what we're looking

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Speaker 13: at right now. I wouldn't bet on it.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't. You're not betting on him being on the pitch,

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Speaker 2: as they say Wednesday night in the Dominican Republic against

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Speaker 2: the college team that's getting paid professionally. Okay, I got here.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the gist of where where we are,

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Speaker 2: at least from seeing the guy. Sooner than later. We're

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Speaker 2: chatting with Kevin, one of the hosts of the Wildly

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Speaker 2: popular since he postcast. Okay, so explain, in concisive layman's terms,

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Speaker 2: what's happening with the schedule because eventually MLS gets on

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Speaker 2: the EPL schedule, and so the the MLS season will

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Speaker 2: change dramatically beginning when when do we go when do

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Speaker 2: we get on that that mini schedule that leads into

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Speaker 2: the into the EPL timeline? Is that is that after

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Speaker 2: this season?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so this season put a pin in that, but

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Speaker 13: this season is is unaffected this year, So it is

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Speaker 13: the classic February to December schedule that MLS has been

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Speaker 13: rolling with since you know, nineteen ninety six. In next season,

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Speaker 13: in twenty twenty seven, they will not pick up in

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Speaker 13: February like they have every other year. What they will

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Speaker 13: do is they will do a many candid season. They're

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Speaker 13: calling it the Sprint Season. For that shortened period from

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Speaker 13: late winter into early summer, they'll take a break from

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Speaker 13: roughly where the World Cup will be, and then they

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Speaker 13: will pick it back up, or not pick it back up.

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Speaker 13: They will start a brand new season. Match Day one

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Speaker 13: will come sometime in early August and that season will

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Speaker 13: then run until about May of twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so so will there be like a

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Speaker 2: trophy for that Sprint Cup? In other words, can you

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Speaker 2: we have like an MLS Cup after that mini season

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Speaker 2: or does it just kind of like, let's play some

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Speaker 2: games so people don't forget about us.

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Speaker 13: So I think they're planning on they didn't as they're

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Speaker 13: intending to, like award a trophy. I think the debate

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Speaker 13: right now is do they call it an MLS Cup

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Speaker 13: and sort of give it the same you know, level

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Speaker 13: of dignity and other MLS be cuts, or do they

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Speaker 13: award something else. If folks remember back to the early

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Speaker 13: days of the pandemic, there was an MLS tournament kind

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Speaker 13: of like this that they called the MLS Is Back

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Speaker 13: Tournament and they awarded a trophy for that. That was

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Speaker 13: all in Orlando, in a bubble, not unlike the NBA,

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Speaker 13: So I would imagine it actually ends up being something

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Speaker 13: like that. But what's funny about this season is folks

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Speaker 13: may have heard there's a World Cup coming this summer

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Speaker 13: where MLS is going to be taking a big break

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Speaker 13: in the middle of the summer to allow for the

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Speaker 13: World Cup games to sort of take precedent and allow

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Speaker 13: the soccer journalists of this country to focus their attention

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Speaker 13: on the World Cup. So this year we are going

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Speaker 13: to get something of a preview of playing. Yes, starting

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Speaker 13: in February, go until about June, take a big pause

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Speaker 13: for month month and a half, and then pick it

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Speaker 13: back up after that time. So this season's going to

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Speaker 13: feel like next season, but there won't be a World

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Speaker 13: Cup next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they're taking a seven week break from

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Speaker 2: May twenty fifth of this year until July sixteenth. It

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Speaker 2: it's almost a two month break.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so this will be a good test run of

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Speaker 13: the audience attentions. Man, can you drop them a less

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Speaker 13: for two months and pick it back up a few

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Speaker 13: months later?

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Speaker 2: Dam all right, Kevin Wallace. I enjoy your work, I

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Speaker 2: enjoy your crew, and thanks for shedding light onto what's

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Speaker 2: going on in the beautiful game. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 13: Always happy to be here, Ken, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir. They drop episodes every single week. The Sincy

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Speaker 2: Postcast all about soccer. Yeah, MLS goes away May twenty

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Speaker 2: five through July sixteen because the World Cup is coming.

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Speaker 2: It's nine fifty five on this Sunday, News Radio seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: NOW News Radio seven hundred w LW presents Sunday Morning

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Speaker 1: Sportstock with your host Ken Brew. On news Radio seven

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Speaker 1: hundred W lw.

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Speaker 2: Welcome on in. We got a lot to get to

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Speaker 2: between now and eleven thirty, got an hour and a

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Speaker 2: half to go. Eleven thirty we go to UC basketball

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Speaker 2: U see against Utah at fifth third, so we'll try

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Speaker 2: to get it all in. I was kind of surprised,

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Speaker 2: not shocked, but kind of surprise the Reds dipped into

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Speaker 2: the free agent pool yesterday and signed Nathaniel low a

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Speaker 2: first basement of some note. And you've got to go

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Speaker 2: back a couple of years to find when Nathaniel Lowe

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Speaker 2: was an effective ballplayer. It just has not been a

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Speaker 2: good couple of years for Nathaniel low But there was

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Speaker 2: a time. And the Reds do this a lot, right.

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00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: They'll take a flyer on a guy that had a

654
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: couple of off seasons but at one point was very good.

655
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Lowe last year bounced between two teams, Washington and Boston.

656
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: You know, he thought he had found a home with

657
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: Washington after a pretty good run with Texas. I mean,

658
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: won a Gold Glove with Texas, won a Silver Slugger

659
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: Award with Texas. He's a first baseman. He can DH,

660
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: but first baseman. Last year between two teams Nathaniel Low

661
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: had eighteen home runs and eighty four RBI. Now you

662
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: do that and hit two eighty which is what he did.

663
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: He hit two to eight. He got on base thirty

664
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: seven percent of the time, and you're saying to yourself,

665
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: why is this guy still out there? He's young, he's thirty,

666
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: and yeah, maybe it didn't work out. After a great

667
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: run at Texas, he was with Texas through the twenty

668
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: twenty four season at five hundred and sixty five played

669
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: appearances for Texas. Still hit three sixty five, still drove

670
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: in sixty nine runs. This guy's been double digit home

671
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: runs every year and an RBI. He's an RBI guy.

672
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just run down the last several years

673
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: seventy two, seventy six, eighty two, sixty nine, eighty four,

674
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: eighty four. I'm saying myself, why is this guy still

675
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: out there now? Why would the Reds pursue him? Well, obviously,

676
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: if he can get to a point where he was

677
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: last year, which was which was good RBI home run

678
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 2: not a bad signing left handed bat. What are they doing?

679
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: Are they hedging their bets against Sal Stewart? What are

680
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: they doing with Steer? Do they think this is a

681
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: way to address the outfield, moving steer to the out

682
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: or are they thinking, well, if nothing else, the guy

683
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: could be a bat off the bench. Now he's not

684
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: a minor league contract, which means he's going to have

685
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: to win a position in spring. But if I'm this dude,

686
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm betting on myself and I'm in a pretty good spot.

687
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: I go to a team that really hasn't had a

688
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: day facto first basement since Joey Vado, So I was.

689
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: I was not shocked. I was surprised that A he

690
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: was still out there. I did not know that, and

691
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: b at the Reds wound up signing him and just

692
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: too a minor league deal. A few other surprises along

693
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: the way. We've got our first exhibition game on Saturday.

694
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: That's in Goodyear, and that's against the Guardians, And I

695
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: thought Guardians Cleveland, why, that's where Anthony Castromitz lives. Anthony

696
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: Castrovinz is one of the best baseball writers in the country.

697
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: Rights for MLB dot Com is packing to go to

698
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: spring training as we speak, but we've got him by

699
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: the phone and he's given us some time here on

700
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: Sunday to talk a little Reds Baseball and a little

701
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: exhibition Baseball twenty twenty six and Anthony, how are you

702
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: on this glorious Sunday.

703
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm good man.

704
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 15: I'm just excited that spring training has begun and excited

705
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 15: to get out of the weather for a bit here soon.

706
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 6: So it's baseball very welcome. That's the winner we've had.

707
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Speaker 2: Now, you know, sports writers, particularly those that cover baseball,

708
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: I think the fans don't understand it's work, right, I mean,

709
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: you guys aren't just down there like getting a tan

710
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: and you know, trying to figure out where you can

711
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: get a tee time or anything like that. It's work,

712
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: is it not? Now? I don't think you're like working

713
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: an assembly line, but you got to be at the

714
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: complex early, you got to stay late and maybe get

715
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: a beer afterwards, and then it's rinse and repeat the

716
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: next day. Right.

717
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 15: Well, that's what's so funny about baseball spring training is

718
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 15: it runs totally counter to the season itself, where it's

719
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 15: you know, seasons oriented are on night games. Spring training

720
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 15: is oriented are on you know, clubhouse opening at seven

721
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 15: thirty or eight in the morning.

722
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Speaker 6: So it is kind of funny in that regard to it.

723
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 6: So you're not. In some ways you're getting ready for

724
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 6: the season.

725
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 15: In some ways you are completely living existence that has

726
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 15: nothing to do with the season. And that's the same

727
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 15: for players as it is for writers.

728
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: Most players are approachable. You and I had a conversation

729
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: before the Reds acquired Will Benson, and you said, what

730
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: a great guy he is, and he's really appligible and wonderful.

731
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: There are players that are not very approachable, whether it's

732
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: spring training or regular season. Who is the most inapproachable

733
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: player you've ever dealt with?

734
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 15: Oh Man, I got to say, you know, I support

735
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 15: his Hall of Fame case even though he was he

736
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 15: was quick off the BBW A ballot and they haven't

737
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 15: put him on a Veterans bell yet. I support Kenny

738
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 15: Laston's Hall of Fame case, but I can't say that.

739
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 15: You know, we got along brilliantly in the brief time

740
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 15: I covered him. When when I was covering the Indians

741
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 15: and he was back on the Indians.

742
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: That clubhouse seemed like a rough clubhouse anyway when not

743
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: just but in their.

744
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 15: Prime, in their prime years, it was a crazy place. Yeah,

745
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 15: I wasn't around for those years. In the mid nineties,

746
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 15: I was there for his return in the mid two thousands.

747
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 15: But yeah, it's kind of it had to be a fashion.

748
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 15: See cub has to be on a daily basis with

749
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 15: all the characters there. I think that seem so fun.

750
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dynamic of covering a baseball team for so long.

751
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: I mean, these seasons are one hundred and sixty two games,

752
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: and they're from late March until in some cases into October.

753
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: The writers are around all the time. The players don't

754
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: necessarily read what the writer says, but they've got rabbit

755
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: ears and other people. People will tell them. It's it

756
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: really is a delicate balance. I mean, there have been

757
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: some classic confrontations in clubhouse, but the clubhouses, but I mean,

758
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: I don't think the average person knows just the delicate

759
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: balance it is there. You want to be you want

760
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: to report, you want to be objective, you want the

761
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: facts out, and sometimes the facts run concurrent to what

762
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: a player really believes, and then all of a sudden

763
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: you're out of business with the player or even even

764
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: some cases, even some of his buddies as well.

765
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 15: Right, absolutely, I mean you're around, if you're on the beat,

766
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 15: covering the team on a daily basis, I mean you're

767
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 15: around on a daily basis, and as we all know,

768
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 15: I mean being around people on a daily basis.

769
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Speaker 6: Co workers, family, you know, we can rub on.

770
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 15: Each other's nurse and kind But you guys, you know,

771
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 15: the Reds brought back the antithesis of everything we're talking

772
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 15: about here in a Suarez. I mean, that guy is

773
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 15: an all timer in terms of just being pleasant every

774
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 15: single day, no matter what he's going through, no matter

775
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 15: what the team's going through. Uh, He's a really pleasant

776
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 15: person to be around. So that that can make an

777
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 15: impact on a season because it's a long year. You're

778
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 15: around these guys all year. I'm not fellow from the

779
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 15: media perspective talking about sell the players, teammates. You know,

780
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 15: you want to be around people who have some joy

781
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 15: to them. That that helps over the course belong here.

782
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: Au Hay too Suarez. It was Kyle Schwarber for a

783
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: hot minute here and then it was nobody. And now

784
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: with Suarez, Okay, what does he do? What dynamic do

785
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: you think he brings to that lineup that was missing

786
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: before he was re signed here?

787
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 15: Well, power, clearly, you know they need that in a

788
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 15: big way and he can provide it in a big way,

789
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 15: particularly in that ballpark and it's just fun to see

790
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 15: him back with the Reds.

791
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 6: You know, that's where he really launched his career.

792
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 15: Came over from the Tigers and was somewhat unheralded and

793
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 15: and next thing, you know, you know, he's just a

794
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 15: really good, solid all around player.

795
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 6: Now he's not that anymore.

796
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 15: It's strictly the slugging at this point, and that's what

797
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 15: the Reds have hired him to do. But yeah, I

798
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 15: really like that. You know, I'm glad that he kind

799
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 15: of he kind of fell in their lap. With the

800
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 15: way the industry, you know, that turned away from him,

801
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 15: but you know, the mega contract wasn't there for him

802
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 15: at this age, and with the way he performed after

803
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 15: the trade deadline.

804
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 6: Last year, the Mariners brought him back.

805
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 15: They also you know, reunited with him and regular see

806
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 15: you and he just didn't really produce. He did have

807
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 15: a huge home run for them, you know, in the Alcs,

808
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 15: but but aside from that, you know, I think that

809
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 15: that production in the age affected his price tag and.

810
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 6: The Reds way was to a pin.

811
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 15: You know, there was obviously the push for Kyle Schorber

812
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 15: didn't work out, and it's kind of frustrating to see that.

813
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 15: You know, it felt like it was Shorber or nothing

814
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 15: there for a while. But I'm glad they were able

815
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 15: to pull.

816
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 6: This guy in.

817
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he will d age. That will be

818
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: maybe they can give him an occasional start at first base,

819
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: but basically he's going to d ah. I'm just wondering

820
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: how you see that translating into actual wins. They were projected,

821
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: i think by Pakoda for just over seventy eight wins

822
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: this week, which I think is kind of disappointing for

823
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: a lot of Reds fans. What does he mean tangibly

824
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: for wins in your.

825
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 15: Opinion, Well, I think he just he lengthens the lineup.

826
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 15: He takes the pressure off those younger guys that you mentioned,

827
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 15: and thou Stewart will certainly be one to watch this year.

828
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 15: You know, his positioning, playing time, anytime you bring in

829
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 15: another body, you know everyone's.

830
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 6: Affected by that.

831
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 15: But you know it takes the pressure off him having

832
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 15: to be a dude quote unquote from day one.

833
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 6: So I like that. I just think it's that positive.

834
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 15: You know, it's a pretty Yeah, a lot of about

835
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 15: It's a lot of money, no doubt about it. But

836
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 15: it's not an absurd amount of money and it's short term,

837
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 15: so and I just think that you know, any any power,

838
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 15: any length they can ad that lineup is a big deal.

839
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 15: And then the other facet that's maybe more important is

840
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 15: just having a better bullpen this year. You know, that

841
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 15: was a real bugaboo for them last year that they

842
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 15: were one of the worst teams in baseball at nailing

843
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 15: down leads, you know, holding on to victories. That they

844
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 15: turned a lot of would be wins into losses. So

845
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 15: you know, hopefully that area will be better this year.

846
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: What about Emilio Pagan in the bullpen? Do you think

847
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 2: last year was an anomaly? He is a fly ball pitcher,

848
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: and I think last year he kind of curtailed that

849
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: a little bit. What about him back and closing?

850
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 6: Well, you know, relievers are so viable.

851
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 15: There's a guy who's certainly had great moments in the

852
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 15: past and filled that role ably in the past, So

853
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 15: you don't put it past them to do it again.

854
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 6: It's just so hard to.

855
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 15: Determine from year to year, and we don't know even

856
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 15: know what these guys are going through physically, you know,

857
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 15: we don't even.

858
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 6: Know the full picture of that so.

859
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 15: But you know, generally speaking, I'm I rely on the

860
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 15: track record, and the track record there is a really

861
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 15: solid reliever and a guy that you know has done

862
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 15: that that very high profile job ably in the past

863
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 15: and can do it again.

864
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: We haven't.

865
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 6: You're right about that. You're right about the flyball.

866
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 15: Tendencies, though, I mean, that's obviously you know, if those

867
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 15: weird are ugly ahead, that's.

868
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Speaker 6: Not the place to do it in Great American ball Park.

869
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Speaker 2: Obviously. One of the calling carts of this team is

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00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: it's starting pitching. We know who the big four are,

871
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: or at least should be if they're healthy. There's a

872
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: battle going on for the fifth and for the fifth starter,

873
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: and I don't think there's any question it's going to

874
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: come down to Chase Burns and Red Louder. But if

875
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: you look at their starting rotation, how do you think

876
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: it stacks up with what else is going on? Let's

877
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: just say in the National League Central, I know what's

878
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: going on in Milwaukee. I know what Chicago's got. I mean,

879
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying not to be just you know, you know,

880
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: mister Homer here, but it's like, I look at what

881
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: they have and I'm hard for us to look at

882
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: another rotation and say, yeah, that's a hell of a

883
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: lot better than what the Reds have. Am I wrong?

884
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 6: I No, I agree with you completely.

885
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 15: You know, Milwaukee has had a I'm sure frustrating off

886
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 15: season for their fan base. Like you expect the Party

887
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 15: par Alta trades, you don't necessarily expect the trade of Caleb.

888
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 6: Durban Isaac Collins.

889
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 15: But you know, they just produced pitching so well there

890
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 15: that you never put it past them. But still, I mean,

891
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 15: that was not a loaded lineup to begin with, and.

892
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 6: It's they got a lot of X factors there with

893
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 6: some young guys. But you know, you don't have to

894
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 6: squint too hard to see Milwaukee falling back. And then

895
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 6: the Cubs. I don't think they've.

896
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 15: Fully taken advantage of their resources. You know, they did

897
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 15: make the Alex Fragmant signing, that's no small thing. But

898
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 15: are they better than last year? I mean, is Alex

899
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 15: Fragman a better option than Kyle Tucker?

900
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 6: I don't know.

901
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 15: And their outfield now his question mark, you know, say

902
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 15: it's Zuki really shined in the dh ROL last year.

903
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 15: Now he's back in the outfield, so is that going

904
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 15: to affect his production in any way. I'm not sure,

905
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 15: but you know, and I don't know if their rotation

906
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 15: is meaningfully better. I mean they're taking a sabb at.

907
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 15: Edward Cabrera was high Molossy great stuff, but you know

908
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 15: he has to prove he can do it for a

909
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 15: full season and stay healthy and all those things. So yeah,

910
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 15: I don't think there's like necessarily an obvious favorite in

911
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 15: the now Central and now the Reds. In some ways

912
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 15: they were a weak playoff team by any historical standards.

913
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 6: In some ways, the underperformed last year.

914
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 15: Like I said, I mean the bullpen issue was a

915
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 15: major issue, and if you turn that around, you know

916
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 15: that's a much different looking team.

917
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't think the Pirates are going to suck as

918
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: bad as they have in recent years. And I can't

919
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: believe how the bottom has fallen out in Saint Louis.

920
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: And as I look at the top to bottom, you're right,

921
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: I will see Bragman for Tucker is an even trade.

922
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: But Chicago is very good. Milwaukee we've already highlighted. I

923
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: just don't know about either the Pirates getting better or

924
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: how bad Saint Louis is going to be. I really

925
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 2: can't put definition on that right now, can you.

926
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 6: Oh, I mean say Loos will be very bad.

927
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 15: I can tell you that Pirates swish they are going

928
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 15: to have one of the best business staffs in baseball,

929
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 15: you know, Bubble Chandler joining Paul Schemes at the top

930
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 15: end of that group. I mean, they can do some damage.

931
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 15: But yeah, have they done enough offensively?

932
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 6: I have no idea.

933
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 15: You know, that was another team that kind of swung

934
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 15: big for some bigger names and wasn't able to reel

935
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 15: them in this offseason, and they were they were in

936
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 15: the running for a USA.

937
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 6: So that's been interesting dynamic within the division.

938
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 15: But but yeah, I would generally lean towards the Pirates

939
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 15: being improved, but perhaps not a contender.

940
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: Visiting with Anthony Kastervince MLB dot com, how right does

941
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball have to get its television situation and

942
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: how quickly Reds are one of I think six teams

943
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: that were taken back underneath MLB's control for television rights.

944
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: And we all know what's going on in New York

945
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: with the Yankees and the Dodgers in LA and whatnot.

946
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: It's it seems to me like MLB really wants to

947
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: move to subscription based regular season games, and we're seeing

948
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: that here already in Cincinnati. But they've got to get

949
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 2: it right. It seems to be a hybrid missmash right now. Yeah,

950
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: what's going on? Yeah? How quickly do they have to

951
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: get this resolved? Yeah?

952
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 15: They It's been an accelerated timetable in terms of Yeah,

953
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 15: I think this is the long term vision was was

954
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 15: for you know, no blackouts and MLB Dot TV streaming

955
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 15: and for that to be a go to option for fans.

956
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 15: I think that's really been accelerated by by the media environment,

957
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 15: you know, where these regional sports networks are are struggling,

958
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 15: and you know, it's changing things very quickly.

959
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 6: And now we're at the point where.

960
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 15: Half the teams are having their games distributed by MLB

961
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 15: and but the net positive for fans is that twenty

962
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 15: one out of thirty teams now do not have the

963
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 15: local blackout on the streaming in some fashion the MLB

964
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 15: app or their regional sports networks app.

965
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 6: So that's a good thing.

966
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 15: You know, we're all on the move now, we're all

967
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 15: we're accustomed to being able to, you know, have things

968
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 15: all of us around, and we have the computers in

969
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 15: our pockets.

970
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 6: So it's nice to see that. Uh, you know, streaming

971
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 6: is really joining the mainstream.

972
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 15: I know for for some fans, particularly older fans, you know,

973
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 15: that can be very confusing, you know, but you can

974
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 15: still stream the games on your smart TV so that

975
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 15: they can still work out.

976
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's changing a lot in a hurry.

977
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 15: But the big picture is, you know, getting rid of

978
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 15: these blackouts is ultimately a really nice thanker fan.

979
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: I agree. All right, Well listen, I know that you

980
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: got spring training going on. We appreciate you carving out

981
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 2: some time first year, and we'll be in touch.

982
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 15: Thanks Anthony, absolutely, kas always want to talk a bakeboth

983
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 15: with each the.

984
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: Yep, you and me, both you and me both. First

985
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: exhibition game is Saturday against the Cleveland Guardians. You pick, uh,

986
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 2: you pair Nathaniel Lowell with au hating O Soarez And

987
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't know about low He may he just might

988
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: just come into camp and just bang it left and

989
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: right and everybody will say what a bargain. But if

990
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: he does that, you pair him with au Haneo Suarez,

991
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: Who's Look, he's a big batt he can turn on

992
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 2: a ball. He's not going to hit for average he's

993
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: not going to be in the field every day, if

994
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: at all, all of a sudden, Now you got your

995
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: semblance of maybe an order that can produce runs for

996
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: a starting staff. And again I said this with Anthony,

997
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it again. Give me five guys that

998
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: you look at and say, right now, yeah, they're a

999
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: hell of a lot better than what the Reds have.

1000
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: And you mix in Burns or Louder, who's not going

1001
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: to make one of those two guys may not be

1002
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: the fifth starter. Neither one of them may be the

1003
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: first fifth starter. Maybe somebody else. You got a lot

1004
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: of depth. We'll see. I don't know everybody's excited at

1005
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 2: this time of the year, right haven't played any games.

1006
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: Everybody's excited. But I do think what's transpired here in

1007
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: the last ten days has really up the anti It's

1008
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: ten twenty five on this Sunday, counting down to UC

1009
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 2: basketball in just about an hour. News Radio seven hundred

1010
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: WLW seven hundred WDLW, welcome back. Who'll stop the ring?

1011
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: A far greater authority than you and me, as John

1012
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: Fogany pondered all those years ago. So we've got the

1013
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: NFL back in the news because one week from tomorrow

1014
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: the NFL Combine commences in Indianapolis. That's when those eligible

1015
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: for the draft can go up there and show what

1016
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: they can do in underwear, not necessarily that they're great

1017
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: football players, but how fast they are in the forty

1018
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: yard dash, how high they can jump, And then coaches

1019
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: can interview perspective draftees and all of that. And then

1020
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: beginning on March fourth, at four o'clock, it is free

1021
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: agency college free agency should say NFL free agency for

1022
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: those players that are eligible to move on to other

1023
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: teams four pm March the fourth, And of course the

1024
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: draft is coming up April to twenty third, So the

1025
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: calendar for the NFL, it seems like, is stacked every

1026
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: single day of the year. But this is interesting because

1027
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 2: we know the Bengals have to get better on defense.

1028
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: We know that the current team is not good enough.

1029
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: But who are the players that can help them get better? Well,

1030
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: I was reading Pro Football Focus this week, as I

1031
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 2: always do, and I stumbled upon a story written by

1032
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: Mike Renner written I'm Sorry Night by Yeah by Mike

1033
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 2: Renner on cbssports dot com. And Mike was going through

1034
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: the various draft picks that the Reds could, that the

1035
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: Bengals could make in this particular draft. And he's only

1036
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 2: through round one, but he's got a guy at ten

1037
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: that a lot of people are talking about, and if

1038
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: it comes to pass, I think every single Bengals fan

1039
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: will be ecstatic, not only with the pick, what this

1040
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: player can do. I've teased you enough. You've probably heard

1041
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: the name. Now let me bring on the main event

1042
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: direct from cbssports dot com. A guy who really makes

1043
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: the wheel go. He's more than justice folk there. He's

1044
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: one of the gurus. As I mentioned. His name is

1045
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: Mike Renner. Mike, how are you on this glorious Sunday.

1046
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 6: I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for having me on.

1047
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: Ken No, I'm glad you're here, and I am right

1048
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: your knee deep in video right now, aren't you.

1049
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 16: I am. We're trying to get a lot of guys

1050
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 16: done by this NFL combine coming up.

1051
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, combine's coming up. Are you going to the combine?

1052
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: You gotta go up there to Indianapolis.

1053
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 6: I will be there Monday through Friday, I.

1054
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: Believe, so you know all the hotspots to hit up there,

1055
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: and you know what you can afford from a dinner standpoint,

1056
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: What CBS will reimburse you for. You can't go every

1057
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: night up there to Elmo's, right or Saint Elmo's or

1058
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: whatever it is.

1059
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 16: Right, Yeah, that's the You gotta sneak, you sneak one

1060
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 16: in and then maybe do like Chipote interest with this.

1061
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly now. Is there any way because I see

1062
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: you have him going number one overall first round Fernando Mendoza.

1063
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: Is there any way Mendoza avoids what seems to be

1064
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: just a great place for quarterbacks and coaches to die,

1065
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: Las Vegas. Is there any way he can afford avoid

1066
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: being the number one overall?

1067
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 6: I don't think he can avoid being number one overall.

1068
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 16: I mean, I think there's a world where the Las

1069
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 16: Vegas Raiders want to go get a veteran quarterback that

1070
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 16: with that number one overall picked a trade for someone.

1071
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 16: I think that's unlikely, though. I do think that Clint Kubiak,

1072
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 16: their new head coach, is really gonna like for Nana

1073
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 16: Mendoza's tape. And you know, a veteran quarterback can get

1074
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 16: you some short term prosperity, but it could also backfire

1075
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 16: like they saw with Gino Smith last year. So and

1076
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 16: those rookie quarters back and the rookie deals is kind

1077
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 16: of what everyone's chasing, what you just saw for New England.

1078
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 16: You know, when you have that guy who's chief, you

1079
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 16: can pay a lot of people around him, and so

1080
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Speaker 16: that's what they're going to go for.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, Well, they're going to get a great player,

1082
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: they're going to get a great human being. And uh

1083
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: Kubiak and not only him, but his his lineage in

1084
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: the NFL is terrific. You get the right oc in there,

1085
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure they will, and he'll have a better chance.

1086
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: Kubiak will than maybe some of his predecessors to stick

1087
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: around a while because he's got a young quarterback and

1088
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: the quarterback wants to grow with the coach. So it

1089
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: may not be all that bad of a situation after all, right.

1090
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 6: I don't think it is.

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00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 16: I'm actually, you know, compared to guys like cam Ward

1092
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 16: Bryce Young, what they were stepping into, I think it's

1093
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 16: a lot more like Caleb Williams and what he had

1094
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 16: as a rookie and then this upcoming year with Ben

1095
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 16: Johnson as his play caller. Once when you have a

1096
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 16: guy who's an elite offensive coordinator, the way I would

1097
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 16: classify Klink Kubiak giving away he didn't Seattle.

1098
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 6: This year in New Orleans the year prior. That helps

1099
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Speaker 6: the outle hot.

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Speaker 16: So I think he's stepping into one of the better

1101
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 16: situations I've seen for a number one overall pick.

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01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: You've seen a lot of these mock drafts that are

1103
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: out there, and a lot of them are saying that

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Speaker 2: Caleb Downs goes sooner than ten overall, which is where

1105
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: the Bengals are. I would love to see Caleb Downs

1106
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: with this team you have in your draft, Caleb Downs

1107
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: coming to Cincinnati, do you think, really, in your heart

1108
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: of hearts, he survives. I guess as high as pick number.

1109
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 6: Ten, it's possible.

1110
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 16: I think he's better than that, and higher on my

1111
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 16: board than that. But when I look picks five through nine,

1112
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,919
Speaker 16: that would be the Giants, the Browns, the Commanders, the Saints.

1113
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 6: And the Chiefs. They don't need safety.

1114
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 16: All those teams have two starting safeties that they'd be

1115
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 16: the drafted highly recently or that they're paying a good

1116
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 16: amount of money to. So when that's the case, you know,

1117
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 16: I don't think he's going to go top four. And

1118
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 16: so if they don't need a safety, in front of him,

1119
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 16: someone might jump the Bengal, so only behind him, I

1120
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 16: jump up and take him down too good to let's flip,

1121
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 16: But it wouldn't surprise me.

1122
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1123
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Speaker 16: Kyle Hamilton I thought was going top ten all pre draft.

1124
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 16: He ends up going fourteen to the Baltimore Ravens. So

1125
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 16: we've seen these top propects specifically have positions like safety

1126
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 16: or linebacker that aren't highly paid positions, aren't really coveted positions.

1127
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 16: We've seen them slip a bit, but it would be

1128
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 16: obviously beneficial to the Bengals, and I don't think he

1129
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 16: falls past ten if he's something I see.

1130
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: The team I worry about ahead of the Bengals is Washington.

1131
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: Now you've got Carnell Tate going to Washington, and that'd

1132
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: be a perfect pairing for Jayden Daniels take some of

1133
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: the heat off of Terry McLaurin. But I just have

1134
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: a sneak and suspicion that, knowing what their defense was

1135
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: to get Caleb downs, that might be the thing that

1136
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: pushes that team over the top. And you could go

1137
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: out and find a wide receiver and free agency obviously,

1138
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: but do you think in any way, shape or form,

1139
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: Washington might be tempted by Downs.

1140
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think they would.

1141
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 16: And again, Downs is so versatile that you can have

1142
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 16: two starting safeties and you could just say, hey, we

1143
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 16: want him as our slock cornerback because I think he

1144
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 16: could do that in today's NFL, and a lot of

1145
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 16: people are seeing that as a position that might even

1146
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 16: be more valuable than true safety in today's NFL, given

1147
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 16: how much they're responsible and given how much they have

1148
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 16: to do in run defense.

1149
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 6: So he's the type.

1150
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 16: Of player that just because you don't necessarily need that

1151
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 16: position doesn't.

1152
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 6: Mean that a team won't draft him. He's that good.

1153
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: What other teams or what other players do you think

1154
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: that the Bengals would be tempted by if it comes

1155
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: down to Downs. I mean, if they're sitting there at

1156
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: ten and Downs is sitting there, is it a no brainer?

1157
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: Or do you think they would go, Hm, well what

1158
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: about is there another? What about at ten? If Downs

1159
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 2: is there?

1160
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 16: I never know how the board's going to fall out,

1161
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 16: Like if someone like Ruben Bain is there the Miami

1162
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 16: defense event, I think they'd be interested in a guy

1163
01:02:59,080 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 16: like that.

1164
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 6: But if it's you know, and I.

1165
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 16: Think they're going to want to go defensive side of

1166
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 16: the ball right, whether defensive line or just truly anywhere,

1167
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 16: whether it's Downs or like a Keldric Falk from Auburn

1168
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 16: or Caleb Banks the DT from Florida, or just a

1169
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 16: lot of the defensive linemen that are likely to be

1170
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 16: on the board there, it's not close. In my eyes,

1171
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 16: I would go Caleb Downs. I think there's a big

1172
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 16: tier in this defensive line class after the top three guys,

1173
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 16: So because of that, I don't think there would be

1174
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 16: too much debate. But obviously harder to predict these things

1175
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 16: from the outside.

1176
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: You mentioned Reuben Baines played at Miami. Obviously your verbiage

1177
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: in his description is Baines won't be for everyone, but

1178
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 2: he'll definitely be for Steve Spagnolo. Why would he not

1179
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: be for everyone?

1180
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 16: He just has a unique body type for a defensive end.

1181
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 16: He's on the shorter side, he's on the bigger side.

1182
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 16: That's not really you know, he's going to be somewhere

1183
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 16: in the six to two range, and he's going to

1184
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 16: be over two hundred and seventy pounds. He's built like

1185
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 16: like a lot of defensive tackles are truthfully in the

1186
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 16: NFL nowadays, and so a lot of teams want lighter,

1187
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 16: faster at the defensive impetition or edge position. You know,

1188
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 16: a lot of teams aren't even it's hard to even

1189
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 16: nail down what a lot of schemes run in terms

1190
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 16: of their guys who play off the edge. But for

1191
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 16: that chief defense de signolo, they run like a true

1192
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 16: four to three ish sort of four man front down there,

1193
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 16: and they want guys that can collapse the pocket. They

1194
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 16: don't care about real speed guys off of the edge.

1195
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 16: They never have, So that's why for them, I think

1196
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 16: specifically he would be in demand.

1197
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the Bengals weakness is so glaring and

1198
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: it's so traceable to Jesse Bates, the third at the

1199
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: safety position that I make if Downs is sitting there,

1200
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: and factor in that he played at Ohio State and

1201
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: the Bengals leve Ohio State players, I would be shocked

1202
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: if they took a pass on that dude. I just

1203
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 2: it would be like what it would be so atypical,

1204
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,479
Speaker 2: particularly for Mike Brown. I'm sure he still has great

1205
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: input into the first into at least the early part

1206
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: of the draft. If he's sitting there, they almost have

1207
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: to take him. Now, if you look at the Bengals

1208
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: and defensively what they have had at that position, which

1209
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: has not been good since since Jesse Bates left here.

1210
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: What would he bring immediately to the Bengals, both in

1211
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: terms of skill and in terms of I guess mental

1212
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: ability would he What does he bring?

1213
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 16: I think the first thing they brings to obvious with

1214
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 16: this Bengals safety group is a great tackler. I mean,

1215
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 16: he does not miss a lot of tackles, and he's

1216
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 16: a violent tackler. He comes downhill and he's not letting

1217
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 16: a running back meet him in the hole. He's going

1218
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 16: to meet that running back in the backfield right. He

1219
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 16: doesn't pause to contact. He's going through contact. That's one

1220
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 16: of the first things to see on his tape. And

1221
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 16: then the second thing is just an ability to see

1222
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 16: the game at a high level. I think the fact

1223
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 16: that his brother was brother Josh Down the wide receiver

1224
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 16: for Minneapolis Colts. They must have played a lot against

1225
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 16: each other because he reads routes and he sees the

1226
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 16: coming at a very high level, and so a lot

1227
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 16: of times he doesn't have a lot of pass breakups

1228
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 16: or a lot of picks because he's shutting down the

1229
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 16: wind the wholesale if they're not even attacking them, like

1230
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 16: you can't even go in his zone to give him

1231
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 16: picks and pass breakups because he's so far ahead. So

1232
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 16: I think he's a guy that in the NFL will

1233
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 16: probably have even more production because of that, because you

1234
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 16: can't read things probably as quickly as you do in college.

1235
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 6: But that's when you flip on.

1236
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 16: A staate, you just see a guy who understands opposing offenses.

1237
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: You have Ty Simpson, the Alabama quarterback going to the Steelers.

1238
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: The Steelers have never recovered from Ben Roethlisberger's retirement, and

1239
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: they've just had enough success so they never draft in

1240
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: the top ten, and so here's Simpson and he they're

1241
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: sitting at twenty one. Simpson with Mike McCarthy is interesting

1242
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 2: you point that out in the verbiage. I don't know.

1243
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 2: There's something about him. Maybe it's the lack of collegiate starts.

1244
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but I don't know

1245
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: if he's the answer for And I'm not trying to

1246
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 2: downplay the player, but I'm just the situation. I'm not

1247
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: sure he's the answer for them at that position. Am

1248
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 2: I wrong.

1249
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 16: You're not wrong, And the problem is, if you're a

1250
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 16: Steis fan, I'm not sure there's any answer this offseason, right.

1251
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 16: I don't think whether it's this creaging crop of quarterbacks,

1252
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 16: whether it's bringing back Aaron Rodgers, whether it's drafting one

1253
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 16: here at twenty one, I'm not sure there's actually an

1254
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 16: answer that's going to turn your fortune around. It's kind

1255
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 16: of like the year they drafted Kenny Pickett. Pretty much,

1256
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 16: if he drafted any quarterback in that class, you were screwed.

1257
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 6: There just wasn't one. So it could be like that

1258
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 6: for them.

1259
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 16: I actually am a little bit more bullish on Simpson

1260
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 16: than I was Kenny Pickett coming out, because I think

1261
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 16: he's a little bit more gifted with his arm, is

1262
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 16: a little bit more creative as a pastor from the pocket,

1263
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 16: and just the fact that he hasn't played a ton

1264
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 16: of football. I'm just more intrigued by what he could

1265
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 16: be if he does start to play more football. So

1266
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 16: with Micha McCart who's, you know, fairly strong track record

1267
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 16: developing quarterbacks, very much a guy who's involved in developing quarterbacks,

1268
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 16: I think at least that would be a good spot

1269
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 16: for him to grow.

1270
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: Okay, you've got round one out, and I would imagine

1271
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: you're going to do round two three. I mean it'll

1272
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 2: be staggered as you release them, right or am I

1273
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: suggesting won't work for you, Mike? But I would imagine

1274
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 2: you're going to You're going to get into rounds two,

1275
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: three and onward as at some point before the draft.

1276
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, I've watched those guys.

1277
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 16: We'll get to a mock draft probably when a little

1278
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 16: more dust settles after I hear some more stuff at

1279
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 16: the combine?

1280
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 6: Here?

1281
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: Who's who's other mock drafted CBS Sports? Should we be

1282
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: on the lookout for? Who are the real guys when

1283
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: it comes to this? Like you and who are the posers?

1284
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 16: We got Ryan Wilson at CBS Sports doing mock drafts

1285
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 16: as well.

1286
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 6: He does fantastic work.

1287
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 2: Uh so, but there still doesn't get into this this.

1288
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 16: None of these guys will do it like he'll do

1289
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 16: like the week of he cheats once like.

1290
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 6: All the all the everything's known already, Like okay, here

1291
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 6: I go, dips.

1292
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: Into your research. I got you there you go, there

1293
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Speaker 2: you go, all right, Mike, it's up there right now

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Speaker 2: his mock draft, Mike Runner, We Love, Mike, we go

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Speaker 2: back to his days at another outlet, but at cbssports

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Speaker 2: dot com, he has found a home. Mike. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: the call for the interview, and you know we're going

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Speaker 2: to be calling down the road, so stay by the phone.

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Speaker 6: Okay for sure, Ken, always happy to do it. You're

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Speaker 6: doing well, havep going yep, can complaint.

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Speaker 2: He's got Mendoza going number one overall to the Raiders,

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Speaker 2: and then Rvelle Reese out of Ohio State, the very

1303
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Speaker 2: talented linebacker number two to the Jets. Now right in

1304
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Speaker 2: front of the Bengals, who is again pick tenth overall,

1305
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Speaker 2: He's got Carnel Tate to the Washington Commanders with the

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Speaker 2: seventh pick. With the eighth pick, Jeremiah Love, the running

1307
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Speaker 2: back from Notre Dame, is going to the Saints ninth pick.

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Speaker 2: Ruben Bain junior Kansas City Bane of course, as we mentioned,

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Speaker 2: from Florida, and then Caleb Downs would be available. I

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Speaker 2: think it's a no brainer. But far football, mine's greater

1311
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Speaker 2: than mine. May differ, but I just think it's a

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Speaker 2: no brainer. He's sitting there and you know what you

1313
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Speaker 2: need and what you haven't had since Jesse Bates that

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Speaker 2: is the old leap on it. We shall see it's

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Speaker 2: coming up on ten fifty two, counting down to U

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Speaker 2: see basketball coming up bottom of the hour. As you

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Speaker 2: see takes on you tah at fifth third Arena on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 6: Bill Cunningham is the sound of America. When I listened

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Speaker 2: My toe got infected and was oozing this yellowy puff stuff.

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Speaker 6: But it didn't stop me from listening to Willy America.

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Speaker 6: I had a tape for him and still listen to Willie.

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Speaker 6: I still listen even with my pro lapsed hemorrhoids.

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you something. You know, our family

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Speaker 2: dog Piper was having some difficulties.

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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW presents Sunday Morning Sports Dock

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Speaker 1: with your host Ken Brew on News Radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: Eleven seven in the Tri State. Bottom of the hour,

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01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: you see basketball you see on the court today at

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Speaker 2: fifth third against Utah. All the play by play right

1375
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 2: here on seven hundred at WLW. There was news that

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Speaker 2: broke in college football about oh maybe a week ago,

1377
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: where it appears that this home and home series that

1378
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 2: Ohio State is playing in football against Alabama is going

1379
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: to be canceled, and for what reasons I don't know.

1380
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Speaker 2: It was supposed to start in twenty twenty seven in Columbus,

1381
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: and then I think in twenty nine they were going

1382
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 2: to play again down in Tuscaloosa. Bottom line is, it

1383
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: doesn't look like it's going to happen. And that led

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01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 2: to a lot of thought, not just for me, but

1385
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 2: from other people around the country. Well, why why are

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: there so many out of conference games inside of conference

1387
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 2: is that ought to be playing more games inside those conferences.

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Speaker 2: For example, UK this year they play Youngstown State in

1389
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Speaker 2: South Alabama, Well why not another SEC opponent. Ohio State

1390
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 2: has Ball State, Kent State, and Texas. Now you're going

1391
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,799
Speaker 2: to keep the Texas game. Ball State, Kansas State, I understand,

1392
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Speaker 2: I'm not Kansas State, Kent State. I understand Kent State

1393
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: playing an in school in state school has always been

1394
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:32,839
Speaker 2: part of the Ohio State agenda. U See plays Boston College,

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Speaker 2: That's how they open the season this year. That ought

1396
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Speaker 2: to be a pretty good matchup. But then Western Carolina

1397
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Speaker 2: and then Miami in Indiana this year plays North Texas,

1398
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Speaker 2: Howard and Western Kentucky. Why not eliminate one of those

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Speaker 2: games and have everybody in the Power for conferences play

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Speaker 2: ten conference games. And then I was listening to the

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01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 2: radio to a state up in Columbus this week and

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01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 2: I heard my buddy Bill Bender on it. Bill Bender

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Speaker 2: writes college football for the Sportingnews dot Com and his

1404
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: he was advocating the same thing, go to ten conference games,

1405
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 2: every school, every conference, ten conference games. Now, there are

1406
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: pros and cons to this, but it kind of makes

1407
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: a lot of sense for the Power five conferences. So

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Speaker 2: I asked Bender if he'd come on with me and

1409
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: talk about this. It's not a unique idea, but for

1410
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 2: the moment, it was his idea. So come on, and

1411
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: here he is, Bill Bender's Sportingnews dot Com. Bill, how

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01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: are you on this glorious Sunday.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'm Bill, Well, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 11: And yeah, you know, with the talk of the non

1415
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 11: conference games being handfled your Alabama, Ohio State, you know,

1416
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Speaker 11: games like that, I think it's better to just play

1417
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 11: ten conference games. At that point. You can play five

1418
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 11: at home, five on the road. It helps curb the

1419
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 11: unbalanced schedule factor. And you know, it just makes more sense. Well,

1420
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Speaker 11: I think, yes, it would be tougher, but why wouldn't it.

1421
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 11: I think fans would love it.

1422
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: I think fans would eat it up. Now, look I'm

1423
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: just looking at I'm looking at these schedules for twenty

1424
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 2: twenty six later this fall, and I'm looking at the

1425
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 2: Indiana for example, they played North Texas, Howard, and Western

1426
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 2: Kentucky outside of their conference. Of those three, can you

1427
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 2: name one that would be more attractive than adding a

1428
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 2: tenth conference game?

1429
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 6: No, I can't.

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Speaker 2: Now.

1431
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 11: Kurt Signetti has been pretty adamant and are open about, Hey,

1432
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 11: we're not you know, we're not going to schedule a

1433
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 11: tough non conference schedule, and part of that was when

1434
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 11: he got there, they were trying to get to a

1435
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 11: bull game.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that.

1437
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Speaker 11: The Indian administration outside Signetty thought that they would be

1438
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 11: this good as fast. But if you look at the

1439
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 11: last three national champions Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, and then

1440
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Speaker 11: you look at their non conference schedules those seasons, it's poor.

1441
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 11: And none of those same bases care because they have

1442
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 11: those T shirts that say National Chance on them.

1443
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 17: So I think they're I'm okay.

1444
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 11: To schools playing two G six schools because I also

1445
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 11: think it helps the G six generate some revenue and

1446
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 11: ever changing G six this week, by the way, Ken

1447
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 11: with these teams moving around in these conferences.

1448
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 2: Yes, Sacramento State joining the MAC how about that stand.

1449
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 6: By, I mean natural rivalry with Ohio. I was just

1450
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 6: gonna say.

1451
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the theory. I think in years past,

1452
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 2: not now, but in years past, you pad your win total,

1453
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 2: maybe your stat's total for other reasons, I don't know,

1454
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: but you pad your win total with these games where

1455
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: you know these teams are coming in for just a

1456
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 2: payday and essend. So Ball State is going to Ohio

1457
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: State this year for payday. It's a win for Ohio

1458
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 2: State unless armageddon happens. I want to go back to

1459
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: something you wrote about two three weeks ago on why

1460
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 2: the college football playoff field should expand to sixteen and

1461
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 2: used five eleven model. If the playoffs system went to

1462
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 2: sixteen teams, would that not eliminate the need for some

1463
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 2: of these what looked like overwhelmingly mismatched games early in

1464
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Speaker 2: the season.

1465
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 11: I think in a five to eleven model, you get,

1467
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:25,759
Speaker 11: you know, more the value of the regular season folds,

1468
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 11: and you take Cincinnati in the Big Twelve, for example,

1469
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 11: if you score if they beat Nebraska in.

1470
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Speaker 6: That game, that's a that's a nice chip to have later.

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Speaker 11: You know, you get through your conference I think you'd

1472
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 11: see more nine and three teams get in. You know,

1473
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 11: I've been a proponent of and I know you're right

1474
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 11: there in Cincinnati.

1475
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 6: I've talked about this that.

1476
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Speaker 11: I don't mind some sort of computer model that we

1477
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 11: have all kinds of strength of schedule metrics. You know,

1478
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 11: Espen has them, theirs formulas all over the place. College

1479
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 11: basketball uses them. I think it should be maybe half

1480
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 11: of the equations. You know, the oh say, hey, I

1481
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 11: like how they you know, the number of teams is

1482
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 11: up for debate, but I like how they used to

1483
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 11: fix sixteen teams in each division by computer points strength

1484
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 11: to schedule.

1485
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 6: So you're Molers and Xaviers.

1486
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, they would play tough schedules and get in. You know,

1487
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 11: my roommate went to or not my roommate, my guy

1488
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 11: on my floor went Elder, and he would tell me

1489
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 11: about the strength of schedule every day. So I think

1490
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 11: that kind of metric would work in college football as well.

1491
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the SEC. The SEC is notorious for

1492
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: playing these late season gimmes. Me twenty twenty two, I

1493
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: think Austin p played Alabama. Alabama supposed to play Chattanooga

1494
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the twenty twenty sixth season. It

1495
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 2: would also eliminate those things as well.

1496
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 6: Right, they have to go.

1497
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 11: And I know what the sec defense of those games

1498
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 11: is every year, and I just I don't buy it.

1499
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 6: Nobody.

1500
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 11: You know, from a fan service standpoint, you're Auburn and

1501
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 11: you're playing mercer for or Alabama playing FDS school and

1502
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 11: the scores that used to some of those games when

1503
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 11: Saban was there, it's a glorified.

1504
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 6: Scrimmage and it's not you know something, It's not a

1505
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 6: data point that I would even use.

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Speaker 11: And I know they say, well, it's the week before

1507
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 11: our rivalry week. Well, I stay plays Maryland before Michigan.

1508
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 11: You know, sometimes that game gets tricky. I just don't

1509
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 11: understand it. I get the need to I just don't

1510
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 11: get the need to do it. Sorry, Ken, I just don't.

1511
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 11: I think we got to get rid of those.

1512
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 2: Let me let me, let me explore it from the

1513
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 2: other side of the of the equation. Some of these schools,

1514
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: the East Carolinas of the world, they need games early

1515
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 2: in the season, they need paydays to make the rest

1516
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: of their athletic department go. And so if you went

1517
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 2: to ten conference games, you're cutting down the number of

1518
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: games that a team that might not even be in

1519
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 2: the Group of six needs to just function as an

1520
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: athletic department. So you're you're in essence, if you're if

1521
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: you're going to ten conference schedule with two at a conference,

1522
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 2: one of those games is going away. What does that

1523
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: do to the financial structure of the entire college football landscape.

1524
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 11: Well, I think if you're the Ohio Bobcats in that scenario,

1525
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 11: you would lose one obviously, because you last year think

1526
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 11: Ohio played as tough a non com schedule as you

1527
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 11: could possibly have. And people would say what, and I say, well,

1528
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 11: they played Ruptors, They've played West Virginia at home, and

1529
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 11: they played Ohio State on the road. I mean that's

1530
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 11: a that's a lot. Because you're trying to win games

1531
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 11: too in those kind of things. So I think you

1532
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 11: would have to make an extra effort to if you're

1533
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 11: those conferences, try to get two POWERFO school schools on

1534
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 11: your schedule as best you can. I know some play more,

1535
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 11: but if they could get to a way that they

1536
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 11: could get two on their schedule, then then Ohio for example,

1537
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 11: could play at Texas State or play you know, one

1538
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 11: of the G six schools from those other conferences. So

1539
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 11: I hope that they can still do that because I understand, yeah,

1540
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 11: they need that money and revenue in that paycheck game too.

1541
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: And look, there's no real way to fix this. It

1542
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: is what college football is right now. But what I

1543
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 2: fear is that if you go to ten conference games,

1544
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: if you eliminate this these games against smaller schools, it's

1545
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: going to create the chasm even wider between the haves

1546
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 2: and the have nots in college football. And you might

1547
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 2: get to a situation where I think you're there already.

1548
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, somebody would rather sit home

1549
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 2: on a Saturday and watch a big time game as

1550
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 2: opposed to going to watch their hometown team, buy a ticket,

1551
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 2: sit there and watch them. I just I think we're

1552
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: marching towards who's relevant and who's not relevant. And I

1553
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 2: think it's a very very quick march.

1554
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, and those in the SEC and the Big Ten

1555
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,879
Speaker 11: are on link going to get stronger in this format.

1556
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 11: I mean, they continue to get more money. The revenue

1557
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 11: numbers are ridiculous, and you know it's part of me

1558
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 11: is like, you know what, Big Ten, it's pretty cool

1559
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 11: watching coast to coast football and all that. Even in

1560
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 11: basketball season it's you know, you have the other night,

1561
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 11: get them up late and ten State Washington's on late.

1562
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 6: I'm like, ah, I watched ten minutes of this, but

1563
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 6: it doesn't I don't know.

1564
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 11: That it's healthy for a sport that at its heart

1565
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 11: is still very regional, just like I don't know that

1566
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 11: it's healthy that in the G six. Like do you

1567
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 11: think one person person in Athens or Oxford right now

1568
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 11: is super excited about the addition of Sacramento State.

1569
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: I doubt it. Yeah, there are other toes. There are

1570
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 2: other toes.

1571
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 16: I know.

1572
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 6: You know this.

1573
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 11: There was a I went to a game in Athens

1574
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 11: that was you see app Ohio and there was Yeah,

1575
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 11: we didn't have the phones and the googling then, and

1576
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 11: I think it was like whereas you see app Oh wait,

1577
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 11: they're in the MAC what's going on?

1578
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I know, I know by the way, you

1579
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 2: took us down this road, So I'm going to take it.

1580
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 2: Take it with you. What do you think of the

1581
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: Miami Bass football team? I mean, over to above what

1582
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 2: they're doing in a record standpoint twenty five and oh

1583
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 2: I saw Joel and Ardi at halftime of that game.

1584
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: The other night against Ohio, and he's, you know, talking

1585
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: out of the side of his mouth and right right,

1586
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 2: you know, if they go unbeaten, they could be an

1587
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 2: eight nine seed. And I'm sitting there thinking, you know,

1588
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 2: wait a minute, they're the only unbeaten team in the country.

1589
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 2: They lead the league, the nation, they leave the nation

1590
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 2: and scoring, and this guy's cracking about an eight to

1591
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 2: nine seed, and I'm thinking to myself, college basketball is

1592
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 2: there's a great playing of college basketball. I think he

1593
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 2: could make a case for any one of eleven or

1594
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 2: twelve teams to win the national title. I don't think

1595
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 2: Miami's in that that argument, Bill, but nevertheless, I see

1596
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: what Miami's doing, and I just don't hear the buzz

1597
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 2: nationally other than whoa wow, they're still unbeaten. That's a

1598
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 2: damn good basketball team.

1599
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 6: And they got shooters everywhere. That was the thing.

1600
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 11: It was like watching them play the bobcat field and

1601
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 11: I was like, man, how many guys do they have

1602
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 11: put the ball in the basket. They're a really good

1603
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 11: basketball team, really deserved to be an at large team

1604
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 11: even if it doesn't go well in the MAC Tournament.

1605
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 11: And I was looking some of that up during the game.

1606
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 11: So Wally's team, Wally's are theax team. They were a

1607
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 11: ten seed. So went to the Sweet sixteen. That Kent

1608
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 11: team had Trevor Huffman and Gates, they were a ten seed.

1609
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 11: So I think already you're looking at that's probably the

1610
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 11: baseline they're going to justify to put Miami at like

1611
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 11: eight or nine, which I think is ridiculous.

1612
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 6: But if they continue to.

1613
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 11: Win, I think they should be treated like Saint Louis,

1614
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 11: who is also a very good team, and in that

1615
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 11: seventh seed range, why wouldn't you put them there? I

1616
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 11: think they deserve to be in regardless, I think i'd

1617
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 11: have to fact check this. The last time the mac

1618
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 11: had two berth was Kent State in Miami my freshman

1619
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 11: year in college. And again that was Wally and that

1620
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 11: Kent State team was very good as well, and I

1621
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 11: think both of them played very well in.

1622
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 6: The NCAA Tournament. So it's all credits.

1623
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 11: As much as you're making me talk this nice about Miami,

1624
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 11: they are an awesome team, and all the credit goes

1625
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 11: to that basketball team.

1626
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 6: They're very good and very fun to watch. It shouldn't

1627
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:03,919
Speaker 6: be a discussion.

1628
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 2: No, there shouldn't be and the reward for winning an

1629
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 2: eight nine game or for going to the tournament and

1630
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 2: being an eight nine scene should not be a game

1631
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 2: two against the number one seed. But that I think

1632
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 2: that folds back to what we talked about with football

1633
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: bill schools like Miami, like Ohio, conferences like the MAC.

1634
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,919
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whether you're talking about a college playoff

1635
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 2: or you're talking about seating in an NCAA tournament. There's

1636
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 2: just I think a bias against what are considered mid

1637
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 2: major level schools. And I don't think that bias ever

1638
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 2: goes away. Miami on the floor right now with Duke

1639
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 2: I pay cash money to see it. I pretty much

1640
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: know how it was going is going to go last year.

1641
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 2: You know, I would have liked to have seen a

1642
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: couple of other mid majors jump in there and get

1643
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 2: a chance to play. But it's not going to happen.

1644
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 2: The respect level just isn't there. Is it now?

1645
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 6: And it should be?

1646
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,480
Speaker 11: But you know, for the MAC in a particular basketball,

1647
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 11: it's been a minute since they've had a team breakthrough

1648
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 11: in the tournament. You know, I always go back to

1649
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 11: the Bobcats team that made the Sweet sixteen and lost.

1650
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 11: They got their shot at North Carolina, but they had

1651
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 11: to win two games to do it. That Kent State

1652
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,759
Speaker 11: team that went to the Elite Eight, they were legit

1653
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 11: because they had all of the right pieces. And still

1654
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 11: we're fighting this for respect. And if you think they're

1655
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 11: fighting it in basketball and football, it's tenfold. I know

1656
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 11: we had two G six teams make the playoffs last year,

1657
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 11: but there was a lot of people that said they

1658
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 11: didn't belong. And that's why, circling back to what we

1659
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 11: were talking about with the sixteen team playoffs.

1660
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 6: You have to have the G six in it. You

1661
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 6: have to have at least one. You have to have

1662
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 6: them represented.

1663
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 11: Otherwise, if they do a thing where they're like, well

1664
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 11: they have to be in the top sixteen, they'll find

1665
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 11: every excuse to keep them out for all those reasons

1666
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 11: we just put out there.

1667
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, anyway, I think I'm with you all the

1668
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 2: way on this ten conference games for every one of

1669
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 2: these powerful conferences. I think it just it makes no

1670
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 2: sense to be having other than great paydays for the

1671
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 2: teams that are coming into play. It makes it makes

1672
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: no sense. You know, maybe maybe give these teams an

1673
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 2: extra scrimmage somewhere along the way, or some extra workouts

1674
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 2: along the way, and let the people see exactly how

1675
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,839
Speaker 2: each team stacks up inside its own conference. Bill Bender's

1676
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Speaker 2: Sporting News always great catching up with you. You stay well,

1677
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Speaker 2: you know we'll be calling Okay, hey anytime, Ken, Thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me on. Of course, money will dictate everything.

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