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Speaker 2: I'm going Boston's News radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone, and I am delighted to welcome to

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Speaker 1: night's side. I'll write it for the for the for

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Speaker 1: the Boston Herald, who wrote a really interesting piece, uh,

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Speaker 1: which which made me mad. Often I read these pieces

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Speaker 1: it just shows, in my opinion, in large part, why

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Speaker 1: we need two newspapers in Boston, because I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: that this story is going to make, uh, make much

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Speaker 1: of an impact in the Boston Globe. Uh. Rick, was

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Speaker 1: this Friday's paper that that that you wrote this in.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to find right now. I think it.

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Speaker 1: I think it hit the I think that it that

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Speaker 3: I wrote it Friday and it ran over the weekend

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Speaker 3: in the weekend editions. And yeah, this story. I've been

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Speaker 3: looking through the parole records and in this case caught

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Speaker 3: my attention seeing this this man, Patrick Kelly, now granted

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Speaker 3: parole by the mass prole Board.

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Speaker 1: The story that that hit me was well, again, I

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Speaker 1: realized this guy's been in jail for about thirty years.

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Speaker 1: It was by the way in the in the Sunday newspaper,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's where I saw it, this story, And

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Speaker 1: I'd like you to tell the story. Is this sort

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is a crazy story. Let's

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Speaker 1: just go through the facts, and I want you to

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Speaker 1: tell the story as the reporter that you are here,

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Speaker 1: without any no need for editorial comment, right ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. Patrick Kelly back in the nineties, nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 3: he raped a seventy six year old woman at knife

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Speaker 3: He also raped a visiting nurse at the woman's home

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Speaker 3: who was treating the woman's husband, and and so. Back

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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five, Patrick Kelly was sentenced to three

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Speaker 3: concurrent life sentences. Now recently the Pearl Board took up

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Speaker 3: his case. Uh he you know, he's been eligible for

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Speaker 3: parl and and they okayed his freedom. The Suffolk DA's

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Speaker 3: office opposed, as they do. But but the Pearl Board,

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Speaker 3: they they said that that Patrick Kelly had, you know,

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Speaker 3: he demonstrated a level of abilitation that would make is

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Speaker 3: release compatible with society. I've been looking through parole records

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Speaker 3: decisions that the parole board has made there. Yeah, there

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Speaker 3: have been been a lot of decisions over the last

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, I am very concerned about the

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Speaker 1: maddest decision, which is a different situation where so called

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Speaker 1: emerging adults, meaning people at the age of eighteen, nineteen

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Speaker 1: murder in the first degree, which is a mandatory life

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Speaker 1: sentence in Massachusetts. And I think it's probably your stories

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Speaker 1: that have pointed out that about seventy six percent of

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Speaker 1: which is which is an incredible number of about two

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Speaker 1: hundred and three cases. But this is a different one

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Speaker 1: and the reason this is different to me, And if

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Speaker 1: bit from your article. He raped the seventy six year

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Speaker 1: And in the article that you wrote, you laid it out,

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Speaker 1: He also pleaded to several other charges armed robbery, life,

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Speaker 4: He's getting out at the age of sixty one. And

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Speaker 4: to me, it's an amazing story. You did such a

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Speaker 4: on these stories, and it just emphasizes why we need

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Speaker 1: I have not checked, but do you know if this

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I haven't looked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well I'm gonna during the break. Look I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know. I continue to look at the

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Speaker 3: that's that's opened up a lot of you know cases,

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Speaker 3: A lot of people are now eligible for parole.

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Speaker 1: I think it's two hundred if I'm not mistaken, and

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Speaker 1: two hundred and three people who are who are including

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Speaker 1: three women lifers who are in that category emerging adults.

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Speaker 1: I did a little work on the parole board today

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Speaker 1: and you sent me some materials, but I had it.

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Speaker 1: I did realize these folks who compensated as handsomely as

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Speaker 1: So this is a well compensated group, including one of

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Speaker 1: I just you know, to me, it's frustrating to think

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Speaker 1: to be another Willie Horton story. As I'm sure you remember,

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Speaker 1: well you may not remember that that was the story

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Speaker 1: of Michael Tacacis back in nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 3: I've read all about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the furlough committed rape in Maryland and then

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Speaker 1: U kaka Is shut down shut down the furlough program. Well, Rick,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I appreciate the Boston Harold. I think

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Speaker 1: it's so important that people should look at both newspapers

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Speaker 1: bet you now this was in Sunday's paper. I bet

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Speaker 1: there will be no mention of it. If I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: I will I will let people know. But that's one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons we need two separate newspapers forever here

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Speaker 1: in Boston, and you're contributing a lot of great stories.

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Speaker 1: I thank you for being available tonight, and whenever you

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Speaker 1: of extra publicity, you give me a call as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Rick Soby of the Boston Herald. When we get back,

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Speaker 1: if you've read this story, I'd love to have you

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Speaker 1: If you have just tuned in, I will rack it

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Speaker 1: whatever families they had, whatever friends, this occurred within their home,

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned now, he was not sentenced to life without

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Speaker 1: and I want to hear what do you think? This

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Speaker 1: is Massachusetts. We wonder what's going on in this state.

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Speaker 1: If you work hard, you pay taxes, you keep your

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Speaker 1: for taxes. If you if you, if you do what

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Speaker 1: And I don't think this guy deserves the light of day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now I have to I have to correct myself,

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Speaker 1: disappointed me. I don't know if this article was in

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Speaker 1: check to see if it made the print edition the

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Speaker 1: next day. Man who raped two women in Dorchester in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four is granted parole from life sentence. According

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Speaker 1: from his life sentences. He had three life sentences, not

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Speaker 1: just one. The State Boarder Parole voted unanimously to release

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Speaker 1: to grant release to Patrick Kelly, sixty one, who told

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Speaker 1: half to five years. Now, apparently all of those sentences

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Speaker 1: on February nineteenth. He rang the doorbell of this seventy

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Speaker 1: The ruling set he opened the door. Kelly said he

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Speaker 1: It's much more to what the state we live in.

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Speaker 1: And that's what bothers me that you can have This

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Speaker 1: I just see the maddest decision as a bad decision.

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Speaker 1: Something's got to change in Massachusetts, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: there has to be. There has to be a revolution

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Speaker 1: This stuff has to stop. Six one seven, six one seven,

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones, Dave and Bill Ricca. First up, Dave,

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Speaker 1: this week on Nightside, Dave. How are you?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Great?

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Speaker 7: Dan?

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Speaker 6: Thanks?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, two words came to mind when you were

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Speaker 5: introducing this story, and that is death penalty. We need

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Speaker 5: When you tell the story as the papers did of this,

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Speaker 5: makes me sad sometimes that I move back to this state.

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Speaker 5: It makes me sad to pay taxes here. And when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nothing to be proud of here. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Death penalty is too easy. Make sure that they have

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Speaker 1: And now they're trying to eliminate the the death penalties eliminated,

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Speaker 1: The Parole Board has just released thirty nine of fifty

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Speaker 5: That's disgusting. This whole thing is hideous, and people, thank

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Speaker 5: And just like that eighteen year old thing and you know,

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Speaker 5: They really needed drugs. They could have just committed one crime.

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Speaker 5: You know, theoretically they could have smashed and grabbed, They

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Speaker 1: That when you get into that. And again, I don't

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Speaker 5: That Yeah, verbal misogyny or harassment gets more ink than this,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, hey man, Dan, thank you, talk to

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Speaker 1: to Who's next? Mark is in Milton Mark you were

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Hi, Dan, Hey you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little upset about this one, as I'm sure

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Speaker 5: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, and.

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Speaker 8: You know ditto.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I after such a dropped that gorgeous know

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Speaker 8: What I just heard this guy?

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, it's so upset.

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Speaker 8: It's just like, why the tap dance between the DA

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to his credit that the DA's office

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Speaker 1: It was a unanimous this's just decision by this parole board,

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Speaker 1: And I mean, what this guy did was just unacceptable,

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Speaker 1: absolutely totally unacceptable. It just seems to me that again,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to check out the I told you that

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Speaker 1: this story was on the Globe's digital page on February nineteenth,

437
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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to check out it was not in

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Speaker 1: the paper on the twenty on the twentieth, which was

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Speaker 1: a Saturday, and it was it was not in the

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Speaker 1: paper on the twenty first, the written copy. I've gone

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Speaker 1: to their archives, so by Sunday it would have been

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Speaker 1: old news, and so it probably never made the print

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Speaker 1: edition of the Boston Globe.

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Speaker 6: Oh my God, yep.

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Speaker 1: So the average Globe. I mean, if you if you're

446
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Speaker 1: a digital reader, you would have seen it, okay, But

447
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Speaker 1: if you rely as most of us do, and I'm

448
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Speaker 1: a subscriber, have I get a paper copy of the

449
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Speaker 1: Globe because I want to support newspapers. There'll be a

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Speaker 1: day when there will be news where there will be

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Speaker 1: no newspapers, sadly.

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Speaker 8: In my no I yeah, and I get that, Dan, you're.

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Speaker 7: Concerned about that.

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Speaker 8: The thing that concerns me most is why did they not?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 8: Why who made the agreement to run all three of

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Speaker 8: these hideous crimes concurrent set of on and after.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well, well they would have been on.

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Speaker 1: They should have been on and after, at least some

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Speaker 1: of them should have been on and after. Again, I

461
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Speaker 1: don't know who the judge was on the case. I

462
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Speaker 1: wish I had the staff to do the deep dive

463
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Speaker 1: on all of this. But this was a hideous case.

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Speaker 1: This guy came in and he he hit the woman

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Speaker 1: over the head with a frying pant and a box

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Speaker 1: and then raped a seventy six year old and then

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Speaker 1: raped the visiting nurse, who I guess was thirty one,

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Speaker 1: who came to the home to attend to her a

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Speaker 1: bed ridden husband, you know what I mean. He must

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Speaker 1: have heard all of this and not been able to

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Speaker 1: do anything.

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Speaker 8: To imagine the pain.

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Speaker 7: Oh and this.

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Speaker 1: Guy's thirty years old and he comes out and you know,

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Speaker 1: big man, he does this because he's a he's some

476
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Speaker 1: sort of an addict. Never should have seen the light

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Speaker 1: of day. You know, if they want to let this

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Speaker 1: guy out when he's eighty years old, I'm okay with that,

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Speaker 1: but not when he's sixty one.

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Speaker 6: And there you go, all right, Dan, all right, Ma,

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Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: I'm got to go throw up now.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hear you, but I'm sorry to be the

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Speaker 1: bear of bad news. But that's the sort of stuff that, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: we need to talk about. All right, good to talk

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Speaker 1: to you as well. I would like to see more

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Speaker 1: reaction to this, because this is a Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: if this had been your family, your mother, your grandmother,

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Speaker 1: your wife. Can you imagine what the what this family

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Speaker 1: went through? And this bum is now walking amongst us

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Speaker 1: and I don't care if he's got a curfew. Who's

492
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Speaker 1: checking on the curfew? Are the parole board people going

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Speaker 1: out checking on the curfew? I don't think so. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna in case you happen to know any

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Speaker 1: of the members of the pro board. Angelo Gomez Junior

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Speaker 1: is the chair. Edith Alexander, he was appointed by Healey.

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Speaker 1: Edith Alexander was appointed by Healey. Doctor Charlene Bonner was

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Speaker 1: first appointed by Deval Patrick in twenty eleven and subsequently

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Speaker 1: appointed by Charlie Baker. Sarah Coughlin was appointed by Healey

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Speaker 1: Governor Healey in September twenty three. James Kelcourse kel Corse.

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Speaker 1: He's a former state rep from Amesbury. He used to

502
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Speaker 1: win these razor thin races into the State House of Representatives.

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Speaker 1: He ran for mayor of Amesbury and lost and that

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Speaker 1: was the end of his his his time in office.

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Speaker 1: And then he was appointed by Charlie Baker in June

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two. And Raphael Ortiz was appointed by

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Speaker 1: Governor Healey in August of twenty twenty four. And they

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Speaker 1: all of them voted to release this guy who ravaged

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Speaker 1: and raped a seventy six year old visiting nurse who

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Speaker 1: had come to the home that night. Six one seven

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Speaker 1: two six one seven nine three one ten thirty. If

512
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Speaker 1: this case outrages you as it does me. I'm surprised

513
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Speaker 1: you're not calling. I guess I can interpret your unwillingness

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Speaker 1: to call as I guess acceptance of this. I don't

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Speaker 1: accept it. Uh. And if you think that I'm wrong

516
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Speaker 1: and that thirty years is a long enough time for

517
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Speaker 1: this person to serve before he is put back in

518
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Speaker 1: society amongst all of us, I would love to hear

519
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: that argument. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty

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Speaker 1: six month seven nine three, one ten thirty coming back

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Speaker 1: on night.

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Speaker 2: Side, night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 1: Well, as I mentioned, Travis and Anderson wrote a piece

524
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Speaker 1: that appeared in the digital In the digital version of

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Speaker 1: The Boston Globe, it was updated on February nineteenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six, at nine forty two am. There was no

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Speaker 1: written copy on that story on the next day, the

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Speaker 1: twentieth Friday, the twentieth, Saturday, the twenty first, or Sunday

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Speaker 1: the twenty second. So I suspect that that story never

530
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Speaker 1: saw the light of day in the print version of

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Speaker 1: The Boston Globe. Let me go to Victor. Did you

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Speaker 1: make a plane? Hey Victor? Thank you for calling in

533
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Speaker 1: your next one night.

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Speaker 7: Side, Hey, Dan how you doing. I came a little late.

535
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 7: I caught the tail end of those of that story

536
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Speaker 7: a few years ago.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 7: One day, I don't want to say where I worked,

539
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 7: but one of my co workers have gotten assaulted.

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Speaker 6: By a guy.

541
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Speaker 7: He actually pushed him down, punched him, did some damage.

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00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 7: He went to the hospital. Uh, he didn't file shots

543
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 7: because this is a nice, nice guy, very nice. I

544
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 7: was told that the guy who assaulted him, that the

545
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 7: damage was in his twenties, repeat offender. They basically just

546
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Speaker 7: he wasn't allowed to come into building for a while,

547
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Speaker 7: but after a while. But my co worker he has

548
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 7: neurological damage because of that. And I don't really it's

549
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Speaker 7: it's kind of hard, uh, as I say, go along

550
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 7: and be normal when something like that happens, because he

551
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 7: has a family, sure, and nothing's happening to the to

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Speaker 7: the I don't know if I could said radio, well.

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00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you don't say that, but I know

554
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Speaker 1: what you're saying, but portraying.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so but this this case, you no, it's that's

556
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 7: not it's not even it's not even unacceptable.

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00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 6: It's playing evil.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Uh call it like you see it. This guy

559
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 7: doesn't need to get out and see the lie today Perriod.

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00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: Well he's out and amongst us now, and and and

561
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: and the globe never saw, never saw this story. What

562
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: they do is they cover themselves by putting it on

563
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: the digital edition, which you know very few people see. Uh,

564
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: the print version doesn't. You don't see this stuff. And uh.

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00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: And that's a pattern on the Globe that I see

566
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Speaker 1: which troubles me. This is a story that should have

567
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: been in the on the front of Metro, the Metro

568
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: page B one for everybody to see.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well no, that's that's my opinion, Victor.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and I appreciate you calling. If I

571
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: had you called before, is this your first.

572
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 7: Time I called before?

573
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: Would do me a favorite? Call more often? Will you?

574
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: Because you you make a lot of sense and I

575
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking you time tonight. Thank you, Victor, appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Great.

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Speaker 1: Good night. Let me go next to Chris on the Cape.

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Speaker 1: Chris on Cape Cod. Next, Chris, how are you tonight?

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Speaker 1: Welcome Christy, you're there, Chris on Cape Cod. Yeah, I'm here, Okay,

580
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Speaker 1: go ahead, run here. Hi.

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Speaker 6: I did all of the above. I totally support your

582
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 6: outrage as any on a citizen would. I mean, this

583
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 6: is a horrific set of circumstances. But what is absent

584
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Speaker 6: in the story is the fact that apparently eleven he's

585
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Speaker 6: gone eleven years free without any discipline out of thirty years,

586
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Speaker 6: that leaves nineteen years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows.

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Speaker 6: I mean that we don't know anything about what was

589
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 6: his discipline as such a great prisoner during those other

590
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Speaker 6: gapped nineteen years. And the fact that he was a

591
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 6: former contract or, assistant or whatever gained the trust of

592
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Speaker 6: that poor woman who had her her hands filled, the

593
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Speaker 6: husband bedridden yep, and.

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Speaker 1: She's she's seventy six years old exactly.

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Speaker 6: And then you've got I don't know, they were three rapes.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if he ultimately did rape.

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Speaker 1: He raped her, he raped her husband? No, no, no, no,

598
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: he raped According to to the Rick Soviet article, I

599
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Speaker 1: believe it said he raped her twice, the seventy six

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Speaker 1: year old, and then he raised I see the nurse

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Speaker 1: who came in, you know to I guess tend to,

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Speaker 1: you know, a visiting nurse. He hit the woman over

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Speaker 1: the head with a frying pan and a bottle before

604
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Speaker 1: he raped her.

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Speaker 6: Just it was not just a frying pan I think

606
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Speaker 6: it was one of those really yeah heavy, yeah, heavy

607
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 6: frying Pan threatened the poor woman is if she didn't

608
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Speaker 6: have enough stress to deal with. She threatened that he

609
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 6: was going to rape herband bedridden husband who was in

610
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 6: the same room. Horrific. It is just shameful. So those

611
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Speaker 6: are my points of view.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you much, Chris. I appreciate it as always, Thank.

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Speaker 6: You so much. But I'd like to know about those

614
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Speaker 6: other nineteen years of disciplinary record.

615
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Speaker 1: If I had a staff, i'd put him on it tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Maybe Rick could follow up on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see that. Thank you, Thank you, Chris, appreciate

618
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Speaker 1: your call. Let me go next to Henrietta in reading Henrietta,

619
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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 10: I am fine? Then, Thank you so much for this.

621
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Speaker 10: I am horrified, horrified, horrified. How can judges allow this?

622
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Speaker 1: It wasn't wait a second. The judges gave this bum

623
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Speaker 1: three life sentences. It's the parole board, appointed in part

624
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: by Governor Healey and in part by Governor Baker, that

625
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: unanimously approved this bum's release his parole.

626
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 10: Who whoever allowed it, they should be paying consequences also

627
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 10: in somewhere, somehow they should pay some kind of consequences

628
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 10: because they are faults. What is wrong with this? God,

629
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Speaker 10: I can't even talk because I am a nervous wreck

630
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 10: about this. We're not even safe in our own home.

631
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's exactly it. At seven thirty at night.

632
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Speaker 1: This is a guy going on to someone's home in

633
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Speaker 1: the nighttime and and and raping two people, one person twice.

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Speaker 10: I cannot I cannot fathom the fact that this is happening,

635
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 10: and there are people that allowed it to happen, and

636
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Speaker 10: they He's going to be free walk in the street.

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Speaker 1: He already is he already is?

638
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Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, oh my god. Well, I thank you

639
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 10: for your radio station. I listen to you faithfully every

640
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 10: single night.

641
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: You.

642
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Speaker 10: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Have you called me before? Is this your first time?

644
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 10: No, this is my first and probably will be my last.

645
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Again. No, I want I want you to become a

646
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: regular caller. I want you to become a regular to you.

647
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 10: I listen to you for your news and information. Such

648
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 10: a wonderful guy. Thank you, Thank you again.

649
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Speaker 1: Thank you.

650
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 10: Hen that means I'll try to remember, I'll try to

651
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Speaker 10: feel confidential. Follow again.

652
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Speaker 1: Thank you did a good job tonight. I look forward

653
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Speaker 1: to number two. Thanks thank you, thank you, a good night,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Henry. Okay, good night, Okay. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: stick with this. If you're on the line, feel free,

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Speaker 1: If if you're not six one, seven, two, five, four

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Speaker 1: ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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Speaker 1: I'll wrap it that, I will recap it at the

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Speaker 1: top of the hour and we'll get to Betty and

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Speaker 1: Joni and I hope to hear from more of you

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Speaker 1: coming back on Nightside