WEBVTT - 12-16-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.040 Do you want to be an Americans? 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.000 Got flown back on seven hundred wlw welcome to it. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.080 We are out of the deep freeze into just the 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:13.720 regular freeze right now, starting off today, the city has 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.880 reversed it's a controversial eleven PM cutoff for food trucks. 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.439 I know, not too many people lining up for a 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.160 slice of pie at two o'clock in the morning when 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.960 it's thirty five thousand degrees below zero. But nonetheless things 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.040 have been right I guess wrongs have been righted here. 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.360 Initially you may recalls a public safety issue because of crime. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.920 It was a city manager office just issued an edict 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:36.680 and declared that's it. You got to shut everything down 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.680 at eleven mean on the bar's rubble at two o'clock 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:40.760 and if you want something to eat when you're leaving 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.199 at closing time, your sol The complaint was that too 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.320 many people were gathering and causing problems and having street beefs. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.880 And again that sounds like an enforcement issue. Why punish 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.720 the vendor. But at least a little bit of common 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.000 senses have been restored, and she's been leading the charge 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.320 on this. Council. Member Anna Alby, welcome back. How you 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:58.600 been good. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.400 Thanks so much for having me this spire. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.480 It feels like a win, doesn't it. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.839 It does. No, I'm I'm glad that, you know, working 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.840 with the administration, we were able to hit this kind 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.360 of compromise to move the the end time go back 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.640 to one am on Fridays and Saturdays and Sundays. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:16.080 Yeah. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:16.320 Great. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.759 It seems so punitive too that and it was sure 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.600 a long city manager just simply said this is the 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.720 way it's going to be, you know, kind of like 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.080 an executive order almost. And that's the part that struck 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.280 me is awful is the fact that there was no input. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.200 There was no input from the food truck vendors, There 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.080 was no input from businesses or people. They simply move 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.640 forward as like an emergency order. That was the troubling 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.760 part about this because none of it made sense, but 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:41.800 only to share a loan. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.399 Yeah, I totally agree. And and right now we're in 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.400 a phase with the administrations having active conversations with the 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.240 Food Truck Association, which is something that it comes to 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.640 member Mark Jeffries, Vice Mary and Michelle. When McCarney and 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.440 I were all like, hey, have you talked to the 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.480 food truck and Initially, when this edict you called it 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.880 came down at the eleven pm cutoff, they hadn't they 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.600 hadn't yet talked to them, and in fact, it took 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.240 a handful of weeks in coordination through City Council to 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.760 actually get the administration and the food Truck Association in contact. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.959 They even have these conversations, so they are chatting now, 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.600 and my understanding is there could be more changes coming. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.960 But to me, it's this open dialogue and looking at 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.320 this holistically and not just coming down with this like 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.200 big eleven pm cut off without the broader conversation. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:30.680 Yeah, and it makes sense. 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.000 Did you look at any did you have any data 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.200 or analysis that convinced you eleven o'clock wasn't justified? 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:37.359 Yeah? 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.120 Absolutely. So that was another thing that I really hounded 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.560 administration on the very first time they showed up the Council, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.119 because they came and gave kind of an oral presentation. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.359 I said, hey, where's the data. So they did come 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.959 back to us with some data points about a couple 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:54.079 hotspot areas where food trucks typically gather. But I'll be honest, 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.840 the numbers were not compelling. They kind of compared a 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.880 year over year before and after this, eleven PM was 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.400 into place, and at best it was kind of a 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.799 neutral implementation, and that was really what led me and 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.359 couple member Jeffares to continue to push back to say, hey, 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.200 the data is not supporting that this is making it different. Now, 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.160 there could still be issues you mentioned at the top 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.160 here that you know there were some issues of people gathering. Great, 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.160 let's look at the enforcement and what's actually causing that. Right, 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.000 Something I've been interested in is is there something happening 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.239 at the bars nearby? Is there over serving? Are there 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.480 other things happening not that are separate from the food truck? 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:32.519 Right? 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.560 And bars can hopital two o'clock, but the food trucks can't. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.880 And I guess this this compromise is a little bit 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.800 better here too. So it's one o'clock as opposed to 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.440 three am after the bars closed. But what happens if 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.600 all of a sudden, hey, we start having fights and 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.120 problems around the food trucks. To me, that seems more 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.360 whether it's one am or three am, that's a criminal 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.600 enforcement issue shouldn't be on the food truck vendors. 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.960 I agree, And the one am the concept there is 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.240 that gives the CPD and everyone about an hour to 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.560 clear out before the bar is closed, right, right, So 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.920 get people home because part of the issue was people 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.720 were getting out of the bars, going to the food 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.320 truck and then hanging out for hours longer, well into 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.320 the morning time. So this actually has that cut off 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.159 a little bit before the bars get out, so people 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.279 can go home and kind of clear out. So hopefully 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.560 that will, you know, handle that issue with the crowds. 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.159 But if there are issues going forward, to your point, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.720 let's look at what's happening, what's causing it. You know, 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.200 since time police, we pride ourselves on being problem solvers, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.200 and to me, this just takes a little bit more 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.680 problem solving and investigation to really figure out what's going on. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.880 If there are issues, I'm not convinced there will be 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.880 knock on work. Yeah, hopefully everyone will be on their 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.719 good behavior and we can enjoy everything food trucks bring 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:49.239 to our city. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.400 Right you mentioned, you know, maybe there's further discussions here 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:56.719 with the food Truck Association specifically, could could you wind 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.159 up extending hours at some point? 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.080 I think every things on the table right now. One 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.520 of the questions even to who's responsible to kind of 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.800 the areas around. You know, how do we make sure 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.560 we understand where food trucks are setting up, who's responsible 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.239 in the perimeter of the food truck, you know, trash 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.680 or litters left behind, So all those things are in 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.200 conversation now and again at the end of the day. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:22.880 My goal here is one absolutely ensure safety, but two 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.280 make sure these small businesses have an opportunity to grow 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.360 and thrive. Right, our food trucks are often the first 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.800 step into getting a brick and mortar and these are 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.120 a lot of small businesses, very narrow margins, right, They're 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.440 independent operators who are just trying to get a leg 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.479 up here. So I'm hoping that in these conversations we 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.240 can figure out for both sides here, right, public safety, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.640 the public side, but also say the food truck you know, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.480 what does this industry need to grow and thrive while 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:49.920 still making sure everyone's safe. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.640 At the end of the day, and Albi, we're still 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.200 going to have crime, and it's a big city, so 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.800 you will have that. But I think by any metric, 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.440 any measure, and any you know, it doesn't pass a 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.880 sniff test. As how, We've been a approaching crime in 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.039 the city for a long time now, and it looks 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.160 like the things starting to turn to the right way 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.080 as opposed to giving people, you know, enough elbow space 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.279 and free birth to do what they want. The problem 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.720 is it just victimizes business. I bring this up because 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.560 in Madisonville, I don't know if you hear the story not, 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.479 it's a place called the Cheese Kkery and Liz Field 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.000 is the owner there. She started her business looks like 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.440 a nice little shop in that she said she's gonna 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.760 have to close now. And the reason she has to 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.960 close is because of what we're talking about here, and 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.040 that is an element that is causing her employees to 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.320 quit and drow. She can't stay open now. Part of this, 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.240 of course, is the economic climate. We can't ignore the 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.520 fact that their sales are down significantly because of the economy. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.680 But it doesn't help when largely female workers there are 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.919 being harassed by teenagers who are running around, screaming, throwing things, 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.040 stealing from the store, leaving trash around, threatening employees because 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.760 they're not giving them free items. You have homeless people 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.200 or homeless man confronting employees and customers makes them feel unsafe. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.680 And it's not just her, it's other businesses on the 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.600 street there in Madisonville, let's see the same thing. 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:02.760 So it's not isolated. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.359 And I bring this up because Lumpika by Jeff Ruby 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.400 is closing and part of the concern there was safety downtown. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.080 So whether it's downtown in the Central Business District or 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.280 right next to the aeronof Center or in Madisonville, it's 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.120 part of a bigger problem here, and that is crime 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.920 that is helping destroy business. In the food truck thing 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.960 didn't help relative to Madisonville. I'm sure you're aware of this, 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.280 and if you're on only informed you that's not a 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:28.119 good look for the city. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.800 You know, this is Liza the chief Sakries is a neighbor. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.920 So when I saw her do her initial post on Facebook, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.480 I reached out immediately and we had CPD in contact 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.520 with her. And you know, I think with the Sunday night, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.720 by Monday morning, they're reaching out, and you know, I 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:48.120 think ultimately she posted last night or yesterday, I think 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.160 that she's been working with a mentor and the decision 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.640 she's making is frankly, to simplify her business. So they 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.240 need grow, so they're going to focus on their one 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.720 storefront and Anderson. You know it is to your point, 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.560 is it tough economic climate right now for small businesses, 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.880 So expanding having to deal with two storefronts is obviously 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.560 going to be a bigger lift than one. So the 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.880 post she put most recently on Facebook was all around 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.040 kind of focusing their efforts in that one store and 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.240 Anderson and really kind of simplifying their operations. So I 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.240 hope the best privilege. Like I said, she's a friend, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.440 she's a neighbor. I love the cheese cakery. My parents 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.640 live and Anderson, so I'll still be able to enjoy 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.320 her products when i go down to visit them. So 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.200 you know, I'm hoping the best for her. And you know, ultimately, 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.120 you know, Cincinnati, we are tackling you know, all public 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.439 safety across the board head on. And we've actually in Madisonville, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.280 our crime stats have looked really good for the year, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.360 and I'm actually very proud of kind of what our 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.800 neighborhood has done over the past you know, decades plus 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.360 where we are a safe neighborhood where people are out 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.880 and about. And really what I'm excited for in our 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.239 business district is actually more businesses in the vacant storefronts, 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:00.480 because that's really what's going to activate the Madisonville business 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.160 district is getting more people into that space, more businesses, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.000 more vitality. And that's what I want in every neighborhood 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.679 right when I picture kind of what a city is, right, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.880 you want to stay kind of people bustling around, going 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:12.800 into storefronts and. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:13.120 All of that. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.520 So that is my goal for here in Madisonville, but 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:16.720 across the entire city. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.120 I think part of the problem too, talking too CPD 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.280 officers there and you may know this as well, in particular, 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.400 one homeless person individual is causing a lot of the 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.240 problems as well in cops quite honestly because of the 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.960 iris rawleys, because of the homeless coalitions and the like. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.200 If they start running those people off, individuals like that off, 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.000 then you bear their wrath. And the administration seems to 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.160 lean on the side of, you know, the homeless and 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.240 the indigen as opposed to business owners. That I think 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.080 that's also part of the problem. Is that starting to change. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:45.560 Are we starting to have more balance or is that 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.600 just simply incorrect from police officers. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.720 Well, let me just talk about so we have a 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.560 gentleman in our neighborhood and he struggles with mental health. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.280 He's a known person in our neighborhood and frankly, many 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.840 of the neighbors, residents, store owners here take care of him. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.079 He frequented other places like mad MoMA and they'll get coffee, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.400 you know, keep them warm. He'll often go into our 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.240 public library that's right there. They are the staff, They're 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.960 familiar with him. He is a part of our community, 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.240 and frankly, having mental issues is not a crime, right 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.199 Like I am not here to criminalize people who are struggling. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.680 We need to make sure we're connecting them with the 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.800 care and services they need. So again, when I contact 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.320 the CPD in the city administration about this whole chiefcake 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.480 free thing, I made sure that we understood that this 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.160 gentleman it was put in touch with the people he 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.040 needed to to make sure that he was on his 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.160 care plan and getting what he needs. Because again, at 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:39.520 the end of the day, we want to make sure 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.760 everyone is safe in our community and those who are 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.280 struggling with mental illnesses, so we got to get them 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.560 into the care that they need so everyone's faces and 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:49.440 feels comfortable. 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.040 I'm fine with what you said was getting someone in 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.880 need care. I mean, we just saw what happened with 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.839 Rob Reiner and his wife was just terrific. Mental health 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.640 looks like a significant mental health crisis. There are issues 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.240 for sure, or we don't know the full story yet, 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.200 but uh, at some point we will uh in getting 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.880 the people, you know, and there's a whole separate topic 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.080 about mental health, which is a big deal for me. 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.320 And you know, I focus some some of the portion 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.280 of the show on that weekly because it is a 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.120 problem in America. But you know that that attitude is great, 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:19.960 but at the same time, you have to look at 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.120 it and go, well, if they're harming and they're threatening people, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.440 they don't feel safe and workers are quitting. To me, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.360 that crosses the line and there's got to be more 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.640 strict intervention on that. But it doesn't mean you're cruel 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.559 because you're segregating someone or punishing now or whatever it 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.400 might be. I think you also can you know, have 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.840 two two kid glove a feel where I mean, it's 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.040 not entirely the reason why the Cheese Cakeery is closing, 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:43.800 but make no mistake about it, but it's a it's 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.040 a part of the reason you can't keep employees because 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.600 they're afraid of this one individual. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:48.200 We can't have that. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.560 I agree, And you know, in this situation, I don't 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.760 know all the reasons. You know, it's made her decision. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.880 It sounds like she's working with a mentor. 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:57.080 Now. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.880 Like what I can say is there are other businesses 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.640 and organizations in Madisonville that are familiar with this gentleman 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.160 and have not had the same issues and he and frankly, 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.720 I'll be honest. I the next day received many calls 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.800 from Madisonville community leaders, community council, the business chamber, the 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.320 development corporation, many of them who were worried about this 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:23.400 gentleman safety himself because posts online were so threatening towards 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.800 this man that people were going to hunt him down, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.040 that people were worried about his safety. So you know, again, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.720 we don't want to create any hype of environment where 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.880 anyone put. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.199 Yeah, she is a council member, an I'll be on 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.640 the show. We have a new food truck law in Cincinnati. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.600 They have eased back on the restrictions closing stuff down 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.000 eleven o'clock and where you can congregate, and like, is 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:46.880 that also part of the issue too, is where the 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.480 food truck set up because it seems to me the 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.560 whole person of the food truck is putting the parking 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.559 the truck where people are. We talked about different zones 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.520 and areas, but you know, I think, you know, within reason, 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.560 it should be up to the person who owns the 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.720 truck or I've detructed, determined where the crowd is to 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.160 feed them. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.840 Yeah, and right now, the ordinance that council passed right 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.120 before I got on opened up those parking to kind 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.480 of anywhere there's a parking space food trucks can go. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.240 They still congregate in places where you would sink right 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.760 ear bars in your activities, right, you don't want to 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.400 be off, you know, far away from everything. But I 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.880 do think it's worth a conversation with the administration because 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.679 if one of the questions is how do we make 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.400 the areas around food truck safer, well, do we need 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.640 to consolidate and come back to food truck zone that 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.680 are in those you know, fun area areas of the 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.920 town to make sure that we can have you know, 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.840 maybe extra patrols in that space, or that we're actually 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.760 providing additional safety with a well list spot. So I 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.120 think there's probably a middle ground here. Right somewhere between 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.120 go wherever you want, and you can only be in 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.160 this one spot that somehow gives us a balance into Hey, 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:54.880 we want you to be close to where all the 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.000 fun things are happening, but we also want to have 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.320 an idea of where you're going to be. That way, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.000 we can make sure that you're in a spot that has, 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.120 you know, good lighting cameras. Maybe we have an extra 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.640 officer patrol nearby just in case. So I'm hoping the 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.920 conversations with the city administration, the food Truck Association can 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.880 talk through all this because I think that is what 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.920 will hopefully get us to the best outcome at the end. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.600 Well, ultimately, once you right size the police staff, right, 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.720 we're one hundred and fifty officers short. Now we're working. 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.280 We're behind the eight ball, working to try and get 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:25.840 more on the street. But that's part of the problems. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.520 You don't have patrols out there to saturate areas where 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.160 people congregate, and so you just respond and you chase 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.000 calls as opposed to having a visible presence. Every time 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.360 I'm downtown, I do see more mark units, whether it's 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.480 CPD or sheriff's vehicles that are just simply parked there, 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.880 and that's a deterrent I would think for a lot 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.240 of people because they think, you know, obviously an officer 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.240 is close by, and so adding more patrols and officers 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.040 is going to help remedy the situation and everyone can 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:51.600 have fun again in our city and that's what it 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.720 should be about. And I'll be a council member. Thanks 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.480 so much for joining on the show this morning. Great 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.960 to talk to you. And happy holidays. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.120 Yeah, thanks so much, Happy holidays, Take care. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:00.560 All the best. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.200 I got to get a news update in in just 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.600 minutes on the big one seven hundred WLW when we 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.640 return here on the Scott's Loan show. Just made me 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.440 think of something. How this is related to what happens 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.600 Sunday at pay Course Stadium? Wait, what what do food 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.640 trucks have to do with pay Course Stadium? I'll tell 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.359 you coming up after news on seven hundred WWT. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:24.760 All right, d freeze is over y'all. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.720 Onward and upward till Saturday and we'll get more snow 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.680 a winter, baby winter. What you're doing well Scott's Loan 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.240 here on seven hundred WLWT. Thanks for checking out the show. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.680 We can take you anywhere. The iHeartRadio app follows around, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.120 will follow you as that sound will stalk you. You 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.040 may need a restraining order. Council member Anna A'll of 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:48.320 be minutes ago on the show talking about the peeling 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.160 back the rules regarding food trucks. It makes a lot 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.480 of sense now, you know, as cold has been with winter, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.400 certainly not a big a deal as it is in 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.960 the summer. But fortunately the city and the administration listen. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.360 You know, initially I was extremely critical of the city 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.120 manager share Along when she you know, rolled his edict 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.760 out and just simply said, I'm dictating this policy with 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.360 any thought or input whatsoever. Is the problem is the 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.360 food trucks. No, the problem is the criminals, the problems. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.440 You don't have enough cops, the problems. You haven't taken 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.360 it seriously for so long that people just feel empowered 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:22.960 to do what the hell they want. Get in fight, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.240 start trouble, make noise, make a mess, shoot at one another. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.040 Around ninety nine point nine percent of people are just 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.840 out there to get a slice of pizza or a 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.720 burger or a hot dog or whatever it might be. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:34.680 After they went out and had a good time at 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.440 the bars. That's all this is and those are the 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.680 people that need to be taken away. I you know, 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.200 the mentality that I'm going to get in a street 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.480 fight and the street be even to shoot people strangers 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.120 in front of food trucks is insane. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:45.920 Is insane. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:51.480 As the guy convicted yesterday for shooting a customer and 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.720 a worker at the Walmart and Fairfield. God, dude got 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:59.360 twenty six years stealing some crappy Walmart electronics and there 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.120 were some resistance. He pulls out a gun and Walmart 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.760 shoots two people, kills one or a thirty five year 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:04.000 old man. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:04.280 Day. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.239 There's people like that out there in society that you know. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.400 That's why we need more cops on the streets. That's 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.440 why we need to take this stuff seriously. And I go, well, 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.800 you know, they're victims. To know, when you pull out 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.160 a gun or you assault someone, you're now a criminal. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:21.359 You're not a victim. Quit watering down what victimhood is. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.200 The thirty five year old man who died and the 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:24.880 guy work in a Walmart, those are victims. 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:25.280 This guy. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.320 I'm tired of the everyone said, well they're victims. No 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:32.480 they're not. You're predators. That's the difference. And that was 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.040 kind of like the mindset for a while. While we're 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.960 just going to punish good people, then that would be 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.760 the food truck vendors who have very very thin margins 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.640 and you know that extra a few hours of being 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.560 opened may wind up ruining their business. How does that 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.399 help us? How does that help the tax base or 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.280 anything else? And us to grow and thrive. And so 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.760 fortunately council got together and reapproached this whole thing, and 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.920 it was a communication issue. It's like, okay, we communicated 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.480 now with the vendors, with the business, with citizens, We 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.600 looked at data, we talked to the cops, we wait 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.040 everything and came up with a fair compromise. That's how 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:08.880 you do things. And I said, you know, how does 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.879 this relate to what happened Sunday at pay corps Field. Well, 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.880 it leads down. Granted it's a little bit lagging here 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.439 with sheerlong did and maybe she learned from this, Probably not, 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.280 And it made sure learned from this going on, maybe 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.800 we have to be more thoughtful and talk to people 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.240 involved before we make rash decisions. But there was an 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.080 effort to communicate that there's some communication going on here. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.240 They talk to people who were involved in this thing. 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.639 That's what you're supposed to do. What happens Sunday at 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:39.520 Paycorp is just part and parcel for what problems alde Bengals, 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:45.080 and that is the absolute lack of communication letting people 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.640 know what's going on. And it's just it's so basic, 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:55.240 it's so grade school, and yet time and time again, 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.320 a lot of the problems that pop up involving this 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.679 football team, this organization, this franchise gets back to communication. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:05.800 You know, we're here stories. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.159 In addition to the seats is the fact that I 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.240 guess because of the cold weather, possibly because not enough 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.320 workers showed up because it was so cold, I don't know. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.520 But for people who are lined up cue up at 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:23.760 to get into the stadium at twelve o'clock, I guess 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.320 there are people who couldn't get their seats at like 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.520 one thirty because some of the scanners are down or 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.320 there are enough people to scan the tickets to get 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.680 you to the stadium. And so you missed it. Fortunately 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.199 for you, good good part of the game. And you know, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.480 at some point you issue a message of going, hey, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.280 here's what happened with the Here's what happened with the scanners, 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:46.880 we apologize, We're sorry. No communication whatsoever. No, there has 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.320 been no statement whatsoever about the Bengals relative to snow 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.240 removal from the field of in the fact that the 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.320 NFL looked and said, yeah, they did the bare minimum, 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:58.320 bare minimum. Bengals did the bare minimum required to remove 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.040 snow from the seats, the cold, hot chocolate, all that 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.720 other stuff. Never address. We don't talk about those things. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.080 And it's not like other franchises don't have problems. 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:07.560 Well they do. 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.440 They apologize, but there's season ticket holders, their core customers, 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.440 and go, hey, we may have to stay. Hey, here's 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.040 what we're working on. No communication whatsoever. We just simply 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.080 ignore things. And when you do that, you lose control 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.480 the message. But more importantly, you act like you don't care. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.120 And maybe they don't. But you know, there's an easy 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.880 way to make it look like even you know, again 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:29.919 it's about money, but make it look like you give 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.000 a damn, and that is to actually acknowledge that we 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.480 weren't good this time. But you know, the only one 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.679 who's allowed to talk is the head coach, z Act Taylor. 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:41.800 And that's a huge problem with this football club. That's 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.520 a huge problem with that franchise, there's no no one 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.800 takes any account to accountability, responsibility. 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.640 No one from the front office talks. That's how they've 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.000 always been, that's how they do business. 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.159 And this day and age where we expect instant, clear communication, 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.800 they failed to do that. It's like they're living in 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.960 I don't know, the nineteen fifties or something like that. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.520 There's no communication. What's horror, I'll be honest you and 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.200 you see this elsewhere in the world. The Catholic Church, 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:09.920 for example, what the scandals and problems that they've had. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:15.080 Horrible about communication. And if you don't get the word 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:16.760 out there, people are going to make their own minds up. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:18.200 And it's not good for the product, not good for 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.359 the bottom line when you're you know, especially when you 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.960 wear Cincinnati on the front of your jersey. So again, 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:25.800 I look at what's going on with the food trucks. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.240 A wrong was righted, a compromise was made. The food 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:34.159 truck vendors seemed not completely pleased about this, but you know, 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.199 staying open till one am is far cry better than 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:38.920 eleven pm. And also where they can park, and all 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.760 these the restrictions that were just picked out of the 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.080 ether by the city manager and made a rule. Now, 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.440 it took a while for this to happen, but hopefully 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:49.600 no one went out of business lost their jobs because 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:53.840 of that poor knee jerk decision to try and you know, 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.240 rather than address a criminal issue, we're going to punish 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.240 the people who are doing the right thing. But in 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.480 the case the Bengals, there's you know, it's a communication thing, 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.520 and there's just they simply don't see it. 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:04.720 It really is incredible. 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.440 It's something else and it just goes on year after 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.280 year after year, and it's easier than ever before to communicate. 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.040 You have social media. You could put something out on 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:13.879 the Twitter feed. You could put out something on social 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:16.600 to let people know what's going on or apologies. There's 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:20.080 nothing wrong with that, but they act like, hey, you know, 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:21.800 if we ignore it, then it's not a problem, and that, 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:23.639 of course is simply not true. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:24.719 That's insane, I know. 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:28.159 But also moving on today, Nick Reiner in custody for 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.960 the murder of his dad and his mom, Rob Reiner 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:34.640 and Michelle Singer Reiner both dead. He is the prime suspect. 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:38.080 He's in custody. He has been I believe charged. We 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.639 do know that mental illness and self medication are the 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:42.520 top motives here. He struggled with mental health for a 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.760 long time, but the subject of a movie and also 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.200 had a drug problem, was actually homeless for a while. 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.240 A horrible story because you know, to go to show 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.560 you that that mental health knows no socio economic boundaries, 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.720 that people with extreme wealth and have all the access 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.000 to the best care in the world still can't get that. 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.000 And of course if you're poor, you have less of 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.280 a chance doing that. But the Nick Reiner in custody 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.959 for the murder, it was most likely mental illness and 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:12.360 maybe self medication. Their drug problems the top motives certainly 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:17.120 not politics. And I think it's really interesting the focus 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.800 of this is now not on Nick Reiner in the Rhiners, 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.760 but rather on President Trump, because he's now doubled down 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:25.800 in his comments that his death was a result of 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:30.000 Trump derangement syndrome. They described Reiner as a tortured and 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:34.399 struggling individual who suffered from massive, unyielding, incurable affliction with 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:39.840 Trump de rangement syndrome. It seems like the more we 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:45.720 progress into the second term here that President Trump himself 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.480 suffers from Trump de arrangement syndrome more than anyone else 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:53.679 in this country, I think. And for those who I 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.120 guess the boot lickers who will always apologize for him, 0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:01.360 saying that, well, why would you expect he was Rob 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:05.679 Reiner was always targeting Donald Trump and simply doesn't like 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.160 Donald Oh, he doesn't like all Republicans. He's a died 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.879 in the wool leftist liberal, as a lot of people 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.640 Hollywood are. But you know, when you take the job 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:16.679 as commander in chief, and you take the job as 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:20.639 a representative which president is, you're going to have people 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.320 shooting arrows at you. I mean, you know, when Biden 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.480 was president, half the country didn't like Biden. Half the 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.040 country doesn't like Trump. That's how it is. Just kind 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:29.600 of goes along with the job. And I think it's 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.440 also especially difficult because we had the shootings at Brown 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.080 and what happened on Australia and the three Americans in Syrian. 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:37.400 It's been a steady drumbeat to this and the thing 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:39.920 coming out from the President was well, it's because he 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.080 hated me. I'm not quite sure the connection there between 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:48.080 him disliking Donald Trump and his death. And also i'd 0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:49.959 point out Charlie Kirk you know. I mean, there are 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:51.720 a lot of influencers out there who said we're not 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.040 going to celebrate or mock the death of a political opponent, 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.640 and everyone got that mount maybe a lot of Mega 0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.520 supporters got that message, except for President Trump. A surprise 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:04.480 that Rob Reiner is a leftist. But I think overall, 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:08.400 I mean, the bigger issue here is, you know, you're 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.320 trying to sell an agenda, a controversial agenda at that, 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.400 with a lot of things, whether it's ice and immigration 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.840 or whether it's terriffs, and you could go on and on. 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:21.280 It's certainly a novel approach to things, and you're gonna 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.080 upset a lot of people because you are rocking the 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:26.520 appl card. And Donald Trump most assuredly is very anti 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.639 status quo and that is a reason one of the 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.880 big reasons why he got elected. But if you're trying 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.280 to sell your agenda to I don't think you'll ever 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:37.919 convince a Rob Reiner of the world. And I went 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:41.800 in Hollywood that you know, your agendas is good. There 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.159 are a lot of people who are in the middle. 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:50.640 There are a lot of independents who are hearing these 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.879 words and going, well, you know, it just makes it 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:56.119 tougher to sell your agenda to the undecided or the 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.399 middle part of the country, Like, I don't know why 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:00.679 you would hurt yourself so and I get you know, 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.119 before it was about getting attention, getting elected you kind 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.359 of the brand. It was in the first term, it 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.920 was really refreshing. It's like, wow, this guy is completely unschained. 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.960 It's interesting to hear a president's or a presidential Kenyoway 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.480 speak in those terms. But by two terms now, it's 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:17.600 kind of exhausting. And you know, in this world of 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:23.639 everything shocks you, it is awfully difficult to say things 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:25.600 that top the last statement, and he has a pretty 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.600 good track record of that. And it's unfortunate because I think, 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.720 you know, he does bring some good ideas or different 0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:36.560 approaches to things that, given time, may work, and too 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.560 numerous to list here. But the problem is, you know, you, 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:41.879 when you do this kind of stuff, it makes it 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:45.120 awfully difficult to like the man. And part of whether 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:46.920 you like it or not, part of being a pologist, 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.280 there's got to be a likability quotient there. There's got 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:50.920 to be an empathy. And I said, you know, one 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.000 thing that is missing from his his arsenal is the 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:57.200 empathy genie, he just doesn't happen. And sometimes, as commander 0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:00.080 in chief, as leader of the free world, you have 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.440 to engage in empathy. He's just not empathetic at all 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.520 to anything at all times. And that that really, I 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.320 think that, really, above all else, hurts his agenda. 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:08.800 I really do. 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.000 Five three seven four nine seven thousand, The Big One. 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.119 It's talked back on the iHeart Radio app. You for 0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.959 listening on the stream this morning. Let me roll to, uh, 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:18.879 where're we going to? Jerry and Mercer County on the 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.080 Big One. Good morning, Jerry. 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.640 Hey, I disagree with what Trump did, what he says, 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:28.240 but he could have used it as a leverage point 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:32.879 that guy Nick was hooked on cocaine or whatever. I 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.760 wondered if he could have got an idea of what 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:40.239 Ron Reyer thought about him bombing on drug boats. 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.439 Yeah, I'm sure Rob Reiner disagreed with that, and that 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:45.360 is that's a great connection right there. And we don't 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:47.080 know if he was on drugs at the time. I mean, 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.280 eventually that's all going to come out. It's pretty clear 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.760 he's the one who did this this atrocity. But you know, 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.840 killing your own parents and someone is revered. I mean, 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.240 I'm not a fan of his politics, but any stretched 0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:02.240 the Rob Reiner, but his his resid of me is iconic. 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:03.920 Let's put it that way. The films he's made and 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.520 the things he's been and it's absolutely in cred incredible 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.919 streak of movies. I appreciate Rob Reiner as a talent, 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:12.040 but the same time I look at this going wow, 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.160 it's you're making Donald Trump is making it about him 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.159 when it's not about him at all. And my point is, 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:18.840 I think it just turns off a lot of people 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.359 to a lot of a thing, well hearing anything in 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:23.879 his agenda at all, because he just overshadows it with 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:25.760 dumb stuff that comes out of his mouth or off 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:26.520 his fingertips. 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.280 Well, I just wonder what Rob Ryner would have thought 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.200 about drug if he made any comments. 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:31.680 I don't know. 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:34.600 I don't know, but yeah, I mean you know again, 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:35.680 I and thanks with a call. 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:37.760 I don't you know. That's just so I don't know. 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.560 A watch of award shows, I really don't care what celebrities 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:44.160 think about things. Yeah, I don't know bout it. I 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.240 don't know whose influence. Maybe if you're younger, you are 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.400 and like, hey, what's Taylor Swift's take on this? Because 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.840 you know that's your that's your world. She's iconic. Uh, 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:54.840 if you're older, I think I don't know me anyway, 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:56.160 I look at I got. I don't really care what 0:28:56.280 --> 0:29:00.400 Rob Reiner thinks. I really don't care what any actor, actress, 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.480 whether they're on the right of the left, I don't care. 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:06.680 Rob Reiner is certainly in titled his opinion, and he 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.480 has a platform that's pretty large. I get that, But 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:12.959 I don't go around going wow, well, Rob Briiner think 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:14.080 I gotta think the same way. 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:14.560 You know. 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.520 They're all sorts of opinionists and influencers out there. Sure, 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:21.480 but I don't spend a lit I don't know about you. 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.120 I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:28.400 Rob Reiner thinks. I worry about the direction of the country. 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.200 I worry about policies that may or may not be working. 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.280 Some of them do, some of them don't. That seems 0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.480 to be in play if you criticize that. But again, 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.240 there's so many people afraid to step out of line 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:42.560 with Trump for fear. I think, on the end, I 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:44.680 think Marjorie Tayl Green is right about that there's so 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.040 many people that follow the company line they're afraid to 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:48.840 step out and say, yeah, this is wrong and speak up. 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.200 It's starting to happen now because while the president is 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.360 approaching lame duck territory at this point, and I think 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:55.840 you're going to see a lot more of this as well. 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:57.840 But then there's still people that will defend everything that 0:29:57.880 --> 0:29:59.960 comes out of his mouth or fingertips or just simply ignore, 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:01.200 which is the same thing. 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:01.920 At five. 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.720 Bethel and Joel High on the Scottsland Show, What's up. 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:10.120 Going, Scott. I don't know if you heard what Rob 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:15.160 Reiner said about Charlie kirk whin he was assassinated. He 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.080 just he he was on with uh Piers Morgan and 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.160 just said how how awful it was and it was horrific, 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:25.160 and uh, no matter how you align politically, it's not correct. 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:27.840 And you know, obviously mister Ryder he was a he 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.800 was a big left that's like many in California and Hollywood. 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.080 It was just a very dignified and you know, dignified 0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:36.800 way what he said about Charlie. And it just shows, 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.560 you know, I'm a millennial and uh, you know, Trump 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:43.760 has just destroyed the GOP. In my opinion, I think 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.880 the GOP's only hope is to get behind people like 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:47.840 Thomas Massey. 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.480 Uh that that really value. 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.040 This country because at the end of the day, Trump's 0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.320 ego is just the size of a grave of sand. 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.800 And it's it's just it's so exhausting. 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:00.200 It is indible how he had made the murder of 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.720 Rob Ryin or his wife about him. I mean, that 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:07.680 is that is such a different That's like four D egotism. 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.280 I've never you're looking at that, go what and and 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.160 you know what? What he tweets and what he says 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.440 is often outrageous, and that's part of his brand. Do 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.160 you know how hard it is to continually top yourself 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:19.040 from the last time. 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:20.360 It's got to be exhausted. 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.880 Oh yeah, it's it's awful. And I voted for Trump 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.200 three times. I'm a big you know, in my opinion, 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:31.400 I might true make America great again conservative and Trump 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.280 is that. I think He's always kind of been a Democrat, 0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.600 you know, New York conservative. And I think just as 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.560 true colors are showing it and the only one it's 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:41.520 turning is JD Vance in twenty eight. 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.400 Yeah, and I think that the Trump's shadow and these 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.240 these are the things are just because of such a 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:49.360 shadow and tarnished the brand. And what I fear is 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.560 as voters, and you can see it already that they're 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.960 holding them responsible for those actions and what he's doing, 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:58.080 what he's saying. And if you think it's bad, if 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.360 you think it was bad under Biden, uh, the next 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.440 term after Trump is going to scare the hell out 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:06.840 of me, because unless something desperately changes, it is gonna 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:08.920 be like Rob Reiners running the country, for God's sakes, 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.040 but the commander was just slaughtered on those own bed 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:13.880 by son, for God's sakes. Just shut the hell up. 0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:16.720 You're not helping anybody. You're not helping yourself for sure. 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.040 News on the Way, Scott's Loan Show. This is seven 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:20.520 hundred ww Cincinnati. 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.800 I don't want to be a Manican back. 0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:25.680 You went to Scott's Flow with you here seven hundred 0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:27.840 witty things for checking off the shell on air and 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.640 be the free iHeartRadio app wa if you go tick 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:32.760 the stream with your waight after do the podcast. 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:34.240 We make it easy, make it easy. 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:38.160 You may recall, let's go back to last spring, remember 0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:40.760 when we had those two dog attacks and consecutive weeks 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:44.360 in Chlorine Township. Yeah, it was horrible. The one woman 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.240 was attacked by two large dogs in front of her kids, 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.520 trying to profict your kids, and she said she felt 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:53.520 like a human chew toy. And then the following week, 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.320 another pack of dogs killed a couple of chickens, threatened 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:59.280 a bunch of neighbors, and we learned about Ohio law, 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.640 the nuances of Ohio law that the only way to destroy, 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:08.280 to euthanize a dog in Ohio is if it kills 0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:11.800 a second time. Let me run that back a second. 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:16.280 So you kill someone if you're a dog, and okay, well, 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:20.440 just as long as it doesn't happen again. Well that's insane, right, 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.320 I mean, we don't do that with other crimes. I 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.120 would do that with a dog. Well, good news is 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.640 that looks like it is about to change. It's called 0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:30.880 Avery's Lots on Mike dewinesess right now in A co 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.240 sponsor of Avery's Law is Ohio Representative Adam Bird out 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:34.960 of Clairemont Conye. 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.440 I'm welcome, Harey Scott. 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:38.600 It's great to be with you this morning. 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:39.520 Thanks appreciate it. 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.960 Boy, that's just such an asonine law and how that 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:44.600 stayed in the books for so long that you mean 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:48.480 to tell me that if a dog kills someone, you 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.000 pat it on the head and go, okay, just don't 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.480 let it happen again. But if a human being does that, 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.160 they go to prison maybe for the rest of their lives. 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.080 That that's insane that we can make it to twenty 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:58.560 twenty five with that law in the books. 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.560 Like that, absolutely, And I'm very thankful to be a 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:05.560 part of this bill, and it has a lot of 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.960 support among my colleagues, and it is on the governor's 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:13.239 desk right now. My report is that he will likely 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.640 sign it by the end of the week, and thankful 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.520 for that because we've got to protect young children. And 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:20.799 you mentioned that it's named after a young lady named 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.440 Avery from Central Ohio that was viciously attacked twice by 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.760 two different dogs. And you know, she's scarred and maimed 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:29.840 for life in her face from from the attack. 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.719 Horrible, absolutely horrible, and someone has to suffer like that, 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.920 and it took this law to get those laws changed. 0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.759 As I recalled during the Coal Raine tragedy as well 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:42.319 as Avery, that there's criticism aimed towards dog wardens and 0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.359 a dog wardens showed up, it didn't take the dog 0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:48.160 or didn't destroy the dog. Does this new law empower 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:49.000 dog wardens? 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.600 Absolutely? It gives the local dog warden the authority the 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.799 see is a dog immediately following an attack. And you know, 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:01.239 it also imposes criminal penalties on it dog owner if 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.839 the dog owner negligently fails to keep the dog from 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.400 committing you know, an attack on someone. So you know, 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:11.320 I think we're making some legitimate steps here that people 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.480 will appreciate, especially and light of the fact, Sonny, I 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:16.800 don't know if you know this or not, seventeen thousand 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.760 dog bites across the Ohio or reported every year and 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.439 I think Hamilton County gets about a thousand a year. 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:26.719 Wow, a thousand dog bite. Now, granted you're not going 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.920 to about all thousand dogs are are going to be destroyed, 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:33.440 but it goes to show you how pervasive the problem is. 0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.960 Yeah. Absolutely, And you know I don't have the data 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.879 for surrounding counties, but you know that's a lot. And now, now, 0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:45.360 this bill, which is soon to become law, is not 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:50.400 going to mandate the termination of the dog just for 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:54.680 biting someone. It's only if it kills or seriously andrew someone. 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:55.359 Yeah. 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.719 I talked to the sponsor this I remember this is 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:03.279 probably right after the the attacks, and I suggested that, 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.960 you know, here's the thing. If you have a vicious 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.840 dog or dangerous dog, it's bit someone in the past. 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:11.240 I think at that point you need to start carrying 0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:13.799 some insurance policy. It has to there has to be 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.279 either money, an escro or a liability insurance involving a 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:19.799 owner of a dog if they you know, not all 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:21.520 dogs bite. I mean, the majority of dogs aren't going 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.000 to bite someone. But if you have a bier, you 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:26.279 should be forced, I think, to have to carry some 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.880 sort of insurance because in the past people have just 0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.560 simply ducked out. We had a horrible cases where an 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.080 elder lady was mauled in her garden in the back 0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:35.839 of her house. Her husband in a wheelchair to watch 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.800 his wife of like I think forty years fifty years 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.680 mauled to death by a dog that got out and 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:43.640 killed her. It wasn't the first time the dog attacked 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.680 her or someone else. And then later that afternoon they're like, okay, 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.760 well she killed the neighbor. They were at the casino gambling, 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.400 like how hartless is that it was a horrible, horrible story. 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.520 And I know that the suggestion that we have liability 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.279 insurance for those owners of vicious dogs is part of 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:00.640 this as well. 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:01.279 How would that work? 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.200 Well, yeah, I mean they do have to carry insurance. 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:08.040 And I think the real takeaway here, Scott is that 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:12.000 you are responsible for your animal, and you're responsible for 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.640 your dog, and you need to keep your dog in 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:18.880 a muzzle if required, on a leash and behind a finch. 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.080 In fact, if you've got a dog that can climb 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.479 a fench, you've got to put a top on top 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.799 of that so that they can't get out. You, as 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.279 a dog owner, are responsible for any vicious acts of 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:30.720 your dogs. 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.279 And the liability interest, as I call it, you'd have 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.600 to carry one hundred thousand dollars liability policy. 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:37.200 How would that work? 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:38.960 What is the trigger that the dog has to bite 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:42.040 someone first before that policy, before you're forced to carry 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:42.520 that policy? 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.440 I believe that's correct, and so you know, it is 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.040 one hundred thousand dollars, you've got to you know, I 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.800 mean that's a lot. And you know, one hundred thousand 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.120 dollars doesn't go as far as it used to. When 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.520 it comes to medical bills and requiring someone's face that 0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:58.440 it's been damaged. 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.160 Yeah, the woman in col Ray, Emily Renchler was your name. 0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:03.920 I believe herb medical bills were in excess of two 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.359 hundred thousand dollars for that attack in Chlraine. 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:10.560 That's crazy, And you know it's just so, I mean, 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:14.640 that's that's our good first step. Yeah, one hundred thousand dollars. 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.960 And as you know, we do things often incrementally here 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.720 in Ohio. And if we find out that one hundred 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.480 thousand dollars isn't it up, I'm sure we'll be looking 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.600 to consider change on that in the future. 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:26.080 Yeah. 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.359 And for those people I think it's breed specific. It's 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.920 not about punishing breeds. It's about holding the owners of 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:34.160 the dogs responsible because the dogs aren't you know, it's 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.040 not up to the dog whether or not they're in 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:39.000 a yard or restrained, or if you let your dog 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.799 roam free, if you let them be untrained or go 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.719 put themselves in unsafe situations. That's not the dog. That's 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:46.240 a dog in the dog. That's up to the owner 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:47.400 to do that. That's a difference. 0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:50.840 Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know anything about the 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.080 dog breed either. I think we all know that certain 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:56.400 breeds that are a little more likely to do something. 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.520 And so you as an owner, if you're going to 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.719 take that hants and you're going to want to keep 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.759 a breed that is more likely to do that, you 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:08.600 have got to take legitimate steps to protect your neighbors 0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.960 and to protect And it's not just other people, it's 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:15.840 it's your neighbor's dog. You know, sometimes they'll they'll attack that, 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:20.200 the neighbor's dog or whatever. So if it's incumbent upon 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:25.360 the owner to protect protect others from from harm that 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:27.640 their own dog might do, what is it. 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.520 I think that's an important facet of this too. And 0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:32.120 I want to get back on the one hundred thousand 0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:36.440 dollars policy to begin with. But let's say someone just 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.160 simply disregards as law. What is the tooth of the 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.080 law no pun intended towards the owner of a dog. 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.040 If they just like, oh, I'm not getting insurance and 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.720 my dog's out and bite someone and kill someone who cares, 0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.640 what does the what kind of power do authorities have 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.000 to detain, arrest and charge that person. 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.600 Yeah, there's criminal penalties for the dog owner that increase 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:02.759 in severity as you continue you to ignore the law. So, uh, 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.640 it's a it's a misdemeanor at this point. And but 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.719 but if you continue to ignore it, it the charge 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.640 is climbed. So you are you know, you're going to 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:13.759 be charged if you don't take care of this with 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:14.200 your dog. 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.000 If you have that, a dog escalates, it starts biting people, 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:18.640 biting in the in the taxi, and you don't pay 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:20.160 attention to it. And let's say I don't know a 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.680 kid or in this case, this lady Emily gets mauled 0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:26.400 and they'd wind up dying. Could someone in that situation 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:30.960 face a murder charge under this icide perhaps? 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.799 No, No, that's that's not true. But you you know, 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.080 I mean if that, if that were to continue, I 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.680 guess we would have to consider change. But right now, 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.680 if that dog attacks one time and and and kills 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.720 or severely injure someone, you know, that's uh, that dog's 0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:50.960 going to be put down. And that's that's a requirement 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.320 in this bill, that that the the dog warden sees 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:58.719 the dog immediately and that following due process, that the 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.440 dog would be humanly destroyed. 0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:04.040 Yeah, you mentioned the one hundred thousand dollars liability insurance. 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.680 And I point out to Emily Wrenchler's bills were in 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.640 access to two hundred thousand dollars. Does that number need 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:11.640 to be upped in the future? Why is that the 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:13.839 insurance or criminal level that wouldn't cover the cost? 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.520 Wow, you know, that's that that might be something that 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:21.600 we have to consider change in the future. But that's 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.680 that's where we're at right now. It's a big step 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:27.800 forward from where it is currently. And and so if 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.399 one hundred thousand dollars isn't en up, I'm sure, sure 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.359 we'll consider change in the future. But I hadn't heard 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.200 that the person in Cole Rain had had experienced two 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.880 hundred thousand dollars worth of medical bills. 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.000 Yeah, yeah, I mean some of these are so severe 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:43.160 and the you know, it's it's also about not only 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.120 of a wound treatment in traumacare, but it's also about 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:50.680 the rehabilitation and that could be extremely expensive. Unfortunately, you know, 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.880 the law now until the governor signs is saying it 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:57.160 dollar Doug kills twice before mandatory euthanasia under this bill, 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.040 what a dog that severely mul someone. Let's say, I 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.680 mean not kills him, but life altering injuries, but not death. 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:04.840 They'll be abowed to live. I mean, where where's the 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:06.919 line there? Does it have to be the death before 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:07.840 the dog's destroyed. 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:13.640 No, it's not depth, it's severely injures. And so I guess, uh, 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.360 you know, the judge will have to decide whether that 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:21.239 standard is met or not. And so I guess I 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:25.279 guess it could still cause controversy if if we're trying 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:28.279 to decide whether you know, the damage that's been done 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:32.719 to someone's face or whatever, you know, meets that requirement 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:33.000 or not. 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.960 He is from Claremont, that's Ohio. Represent Adam Bird on 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.640 the Scotslan Show seven hundred w BLW on Avery's Law, 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:41.719 it's on de Waine's death, past the Senate, past the 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:45.480 House Representedve Bird is a co sponsor of this soon 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.600 to be law hopefully here and it has to do 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:50.640 with vicious dog attacks. We had the dog attacks too 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.600 in two weeks in col Rane Township. There's been others 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.840 across the state. Represented Bird just mentioned there's a thousand 0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.719 in Hamlin County alone, different types of dog bites in 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.040 a t as well. And the law up to this 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:05.920 point said that a dog can't be euthanized until it 0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:08.839 kills a second time, meaning it kills a person, so 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.680 the first one, if your dog is free. Humans don't 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:15.000 have that kind of leeway. Why would we allow that 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:17.360 with a dog. The law is finally changing in twenty 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.920 twenty Smith looks like probably twenty twenty five here almost 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.200 at twenty twenty six, are almost there and fortunately we 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:25.640 know we're cooler has there prevailing here and we are 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:28.239 getting some good law in there as well. Up to 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.640 this point, dog wardens, I think when there was testimony 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:32.840 given in the Colorine attack said look, we don't have 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:37.120 any authority whatsoever. We're underfunded and powerless under Colonel Law. 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:41.480 What power and also do we see any funding issues 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:42.560 that are addressed by this. 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:47.600 They're no funding from the state of Ohio on this. 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:52.239 But you know, like I said, the dog warden will 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.040 now have the authority to take such a dog immediately 0:43:56.239 --> 0:44:01.120 in that situation, and it definitely empowers them because we 0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.480 want to keep people safe and it's outrageous that a 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:08.759 dog that has killed in the past is not immediately 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:12.680 taken by the dog warden. And you rightly pointed that out, Scott, 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:16.879 that we had that situation where the dog can kill 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:21.880 somebody and it doesn't have any impact. So I'm thankful 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.120 that we've made this common sense change. I think people 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:27.759 will appreciate that. I really have not heard many complaints 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.240 about this at all, even from dog owners, and people 0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.120 understand that if you're going to own a dog, that 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:36.040 you're responsible for for the actions that your dog might take. 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.399 I think most all dog owners are that way. Of course, 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.640 there's people out there that have dog or dogs and 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:42.680 they just simply don't care. They you know, may chain 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.600 them up outside during inclement weather like this said, they 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:47.400 don't give a damn. I mean that used to be 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.240 conventional wisdom, you know, years and years ago. But dogs 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:53.399 and cats to some degree have become family members. We're 0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.000 not dog owners anymore. We're pet parents, right, It's the 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.759 whole narrative has changed. We're feeding our dogs better food 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:00.640 than we put in our own bodies. Put it that way, 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.840 the farmer's dog looks better than what I had for 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:03.560 dinner last. 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:04.279 Night myself at. 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:07.359 Yeah, there you go, go. 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:15.160 Adam bird one of the other things. And we mentioned 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.920 the powerlessness here of the dog wardens themselves sound like 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.520 a cut out there for just a second, and the 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:22.359 funding thing has to be dressed probably at the local 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.560 level there too. But what happens to a dog owner 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.120 can't aford one hundred thousand dollars liability insurance after the 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:28.080 dog attacks. 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:33.839 Someone whoa You know, I'd say that if you can't 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:38.120 afford that, I don't think that there is a The 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:41.200 failure to obtain liability insurance is going to be a 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.200 fourth degree misdemeanor. So you're going to be charged if 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:48.439 you don't have that, And you know, I would think 0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:52.560 that people would would take, you know, take that to 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:55.440 heart and would would you know if you're not going 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.080 if you're going to get if you don't have it 0:45:58.120 --> 0:45:59.960 and you get a charge with a fourt of mcgreen, 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.239 that's remain or you're going to you know, it's going 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:03.879 to start racking up on you here soon. 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:06.680 Yeah, I mean, you know, maybe you should not have 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.680 a dog if you can't afford the insurance. I mean, 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.359 if you have a dog, presumably you can afford vet 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.759 bills and the food that dog, especially bigger dogs are 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.600 going to need and all things go along with it. Maybe, 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:19.560 you know, if you can't afford the gas, don't buy 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:19.919 the car. 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.040 There you go. So you know, and honestly, I'm not 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.600 sure what the cost is to one hundred thousand dollars 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.759 in liability. What is you know what that might be. 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:32.760 Scott, I have no idea. That's a that's a great. 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:38.200 Question, good insurance question for one of your insurance agents. 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:40.800 Probably a rider on your homeowner's insurance. 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:41.879 I would think. 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.759 Also, you know, an umbrella policy would cover that as 0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.759 well too, and that's those are fairly affordable. But again, 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:49.879 you know, if you don't have that kind of money, 0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:52.040 maybe not that. Maybe a dog is a bad idea 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:55.840 for you, you know, unlike you know, kids might be 0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.360 a different thing simply because of the nature of it. 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.520 But you know, you choose to go and fish get 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.200 a dog or procure a dog, and it might be 0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:05.160 a free dog, but there's costs associated with the care, feeding, 0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:06.520 and maintenance of the dog. And it's not fair of 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:10.040 the dog either because you know, they're not born vicious, 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:13.000 they're treated that way or bred that way. That's completely 0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:14.840 up to human beings, not the not the breed, or 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.719 not the animal itself. And you know, given that it 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:19.760 looks like the house and sent the past different versions. 0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.520 I think there's something in here, the playful behavior protections, 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.960 I think is interesting. Uh that their protections are dogs 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.800 exhibiting what they call age appropriate behavior. And I'm guessing 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:31.880 that has to do more with puppies. 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:36.279 Yeah, yeah, there you go. And and so you know, 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.880 because sometimes little puppies are gonna, you know, kind of 0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.120 chew around on things, and uh, we you know, we 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.399 don't want we don't want that happening. But I don't 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:49.759 I do believe that both versions Scott have been approved 0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:53.800 by both the There's been one version approved by both chambers, 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:55.840 and and that's why I get sent to the Governor's 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:58.640 death So I don't think we have to have any 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:03.200 kind of conference committee or to agree to changes. And 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.200 we have one bill. It's been approved by both houses. 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:10.120 It's on the governor's desk, and my sources say that 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:11.240 he'll sign it by Friday. 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.719 Of course, there is always the law of unintended consequences, 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:19.120 things like this Adam Bird years ago. Our good friends 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:21.680 are next door neighbors have a Chihuahua dog and dress 0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:23.759 it up Halloween. Kids are coming over and kids will 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.000 get trick or treat. They come up and she say, hey, 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.320 listen to know the dogs the dog's cute now, but 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.120 don't don't get too close to the dog because she 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:31.799 gets a little protect if she may nip at you. 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:35.000 And of course everyone listens except one kid who decides 0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:36.560 to go over and you know, mess with the dog. Well, 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:39.080 sure enough, the dog nips them. The kids fine, doesn't cry, 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.640 his parents get all worked up. The kids starts crying. 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:43.960 They take them to the emergency room. Skin's not broken. 0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:47.600 It's a whole thing. I just wonder does that law 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.160 protect people who are innocuous in this thing? 0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:51.880 That's a lot of dogs. 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:53.759 It's you know, you're not going to destroy you take 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:56.239 a dog or you know, go after someone's house and 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.600 one hundred thousand dollars in damages because you get nipped 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.600 in your repul stay away from the dog. Are there 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:03.480 protections there for those individuals? 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:09.439 Yeah? Absolutely there. Their due process is required here and 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.520 and so there is a hearing and uh, you know 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:17.239 it's it's the dog. Warden can take that dog immediately. 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:19.920 That doesn't mean that their dog's going to be humanly 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:22.880 put down right away, but there is going to be 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.839 a due process hearing, and you know you're gonna you're 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:29.480 going to have an opportunity if if to make sure 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:32.359 that that in the case that you just described, a 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.560 dog wouldn't be put down for that. 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:36.640 Right, I got you, all right? 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:39.120 So are we one hundred percent confident governor to why 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:40.319 who's going to sign this as it? 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:45.680 Well, I'd like to think that he is. And I say, 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:47.640 you know, if Scott Swoan thinks it's a good bill, 0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:50.280 and Adenburgh thinks it's a good bill, he probably should 0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:53.560 sign it. And uh, he's running out of time, as 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:58.279 you know, He's got ten days discounting Sundays to sign 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:01.479 a bill. And I think this is one that's that's 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:04.440 worth worth doing because you know, the governor often speaks 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:08.120 about his desire to protect kids and protect families and 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:12.080 you know he's Ohio's first grandpa, yep, And so you 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:15.360 would think that somebody that cares about kids and families 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:16.120 with tiny belle like that. 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:19.400 Now, this is good law and long overdue. So congratulations 0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:21.880 and thanks for that. He is Representative Adam Bird out 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:25.080 of Claremont County, co sponsor of Avery's Law, awaiting the 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:27.959 governor's signature and some common sense dog vicious dog laws 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:29.800 in the state of Ahio. All the best Merry Christmas, 0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:30.560 and thanks for coming on. 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:34.000 Merry Christmas to you and your family as well. Thank 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:36.080 you for the honor of being on your show. And 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.800 and you know, let's let's keep our family safe and 0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:41.120 and let's make sure we're taking care of our dogs 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.480 and not putting our dogs in a position where they. 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:44.240 Might arn somebody. 0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:47.319 Amen, brother, gotcha, Thanks again for the time, appreciate it. 0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:49.080 Have a good one. Let me get to a news update. 0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:54.240 Scott'slan continues after this seven hundred Wtlon on seven. 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:58.520 Hundred all hard to believe, to believe it was five 0:50:58.640 --> 0:50:59.879 years ago? When at all? 0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:04.080 And I'm talking about COVID, the score on COVID five 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:07.600 years later. What happened here? How did we get to 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:11.320 this point right now? In history? Arguably we suffered more 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:15.279 COVID deaths than all during all foreign worst combined. We 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:18.920 have the largest employment loss, some twenty two million people 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:23.280 essentially went on layoff or got fired, completely lost their 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:27.960 their career, biggest number since a great depression, greatest increase 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.440 in the national death since the Second World War. When 0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:32.560 you stack us up to all the other developed nations 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:35.160 in the world, no one had it worse than we did. 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:37.480 And I love the. 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:41.520 Historical perspective on this because often, you know, you get Congress, 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:44.839 you get political hacks that often infiltrate shows and we'll 0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:47.759 try to spin things, is in mistruths, and I just 0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:52.040 want the facts from history, history perspective, and Ronald Grunner 0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:53.359 provides that in COVID Wars. 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:54.640 Ronald, welcome to the show. How are you. 0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:57.720 I'm just trying and thanks for the invitation. 0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:01.280 Yeah, thanks for coming on. Yeah, this is a unique 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.000 I lived through nine to eleven. You did as well, 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:07.160 I'm sure, and we remember we're like united them by 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.040 a common foe. America came together, albeit briefly, but we 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:14.120 came together. This was even more fleeting than that there 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.320 was here in Ohio. We had wine with the wine 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.720 the governor, and snacking with Acting Amy, acting the Ohio 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.840 Health Director, and all of a sudden, within literally a 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:26.160 couple of weeks, everything turned and the hatred and vitriol 0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:30.280 for Mike, the wine changed on the dime, largely by Republicans, 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:34.200 same for Amy Acton, and we saw us going at 0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:38.239 each other's throats. We didn't district, we distrusted healthcare disinformation 0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:41.839 ran rampant, and I'm just I'm curious as to how 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:45.200 we got to that point in history where we didn't 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:46.360 believe anything anymore. 0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:49.560 Well, Scott, I think it was primary due to so 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:52.920 many conflicting sources of information. I mean, I'm not familiar 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:55.960 with them, all the issues in Ohio, but I mean 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:59.600 we had on a number of cable channels of people 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.160 claiming early in the pandemic that it was all a 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:06.320 democratic plot to demonize the president or undermine the president 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:07.320 President Trump. 0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:08.640 So that was one aspect. 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:11.920 But there's information coming at people from all different directions, 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:15.840 from the Internet, from social media, from cable news, indicasion 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:18.759 from newspapers. So it was a very confusing time and 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:22.239 people tended to polarize early in the pandemic, as early 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:25.919 as February March of twenty twenty, and they never really 0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:28.279 changed their minds about the situation, unfortunately. 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.719 But the scientific method has never changed since the scientific 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:34.120 method became a thing, and that's long long before we 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:37.720 came here. Right, is that you have an hypothesis you tested, 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:40.759 if it's proven a scientific fact, at some point it 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:43.480 can be completely endermind. But this thing happened so quickly. 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:47.319 And also the vaccine, the Arna vaccine was developed so 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:51.200 quickly we didn't have that history, and so we know 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:53.640 much more today about RNA. We know much more today 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:57.240 about the vaccines than we did when they were first developed, 0:53:57.239 --> 0:53:59.719 and rather quickly, for that matter. Instead of celebrating, we 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:01.680 start attacking them. I think that's a difference. 0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:01.959 Though. 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:04.720 The scientific method we looked through that out the window, 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:07.040 going now, well, yeah, you know what we thought we 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:09.640 knew about. It is tested and either it passes or 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:12.239 fails to test. What am I missing there? 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.400 Well, what you're missing, I think is that the scientific 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:19.160 method depends on the reliable data. Reliable data, and so 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:21.160 a lot of that data was missing. Things were moving 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.880 so quickly, people didn't have the data or didn't trust 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:26.040 the data to really say, okay, I can draw some 0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:29.279 solid conclusions about the data I'm being presented. Either wasn't 0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:31.320 there or was considered unreliable, and that was one of 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:34.839 the factors I think that led to so much disbelief 0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:37.320 about the vaccines, and even if the covid itself was 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.880 a real virus as opposed to just a bad case. 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:40.160 Of the flue. 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:43.680 We also learned too, that we had known about this 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:46.520 the country, and those scientists and even the president as 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.480 far back as two thousand and five knew about this. 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.440 But again, we're one of those things where okay, well, 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.360 if we know a super pandemic is coming, how do 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:57.799 we prevent that from knowing about it or having in 0:54:57.840 --> 0:55:00.479 advanced warning and what it might look like very vague 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.319 at that is one thing, But doing something about what 0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:05.280 you don't know is about to happen is entirely different. 0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:09.359 Well, that's a good part. You're referring to George W. 0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:09.720 Bush. 0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:12.560 President Bush. In two thousand and five, I identified the 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.759 risk of a pandemic and actually had Congress authorized seven 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:18.839 billion dollars for a pandemic funding. But over the next 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:22.360 fifteen years that got spent, you know, fighting that swine 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:26.120 flu and ibola in Africa and other small epidemics, and 0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.719 there was no money left on the equipment left on 0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:32.600 the shelf. When the COVID pandemic app actually hit, Congress 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:34.160 never renewed those funds. 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:34.799 Unfortunately. 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.760 That's why we had no mass, no personal protection equipment 0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:39.280 in the early stages of the pandemic. 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:40.279 But George W. 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:43.040 Bush, he had the insight to in two thousand and 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.239 five to say, a pandemic will come eventually, we need 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:45.880 to be prepared. 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:48.960 To his credit, Ron, remember that day when the president 0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:50.919 came on. President Trump came on and said, hey, we're 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.120 in a global pandemic. We're going to basically shut lock 0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:57.200 things down, and he introduced Operation Warp Speed to develop 0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:00.160 a COVID vaccine, and then all of a sudden that 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:03.000 became an attack on the same vaccine he wanted to develop. 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:07.840 Take me through that, well, I mean, it's Trump's tremendous credit. 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.279 He authorized in mayor twenty twenty, Operation web Speed to 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:16.360 develop vaccines for COVID as quickly as possible. But the 0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:19.200 thing that's really still not understandable is why once the 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:22.719 vaccines became well coming out, he never really promoted them. 0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:27.680 Every president that went to a pandemic or epidemic, like Eisenhoward, 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.799 George Gerald, Ford and Obama were the first to get 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:35.040 vaccinated and were very clear about their feelings about the vaccine. 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:39.719 President Trump didn't do that. He got vaccinated silently, with 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.920 no publicity and never talked about it. His one interesting 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:46.560 data point is that during twenty twenty, President Trump issued 0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:48.960 over twelve thousand tweets. As you know, that's how he 0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:53.360 communicated with the public. Of those twelve thousand tweats, only 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:55.600 a few more than one hundred, like a one hundred 0:56:55.640 --> 0:56:59.440 ten tweets even mentioned the word vaccine, which is astonishing 0:56:59.440 --> 0:56:59.640 to me. 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:03.400 Yeah, if you're helping develop that, and Trump is the 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:06.319 best self promoter we'll ever see, you think you would 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:08.799 take advantage of that. What happened to the point where 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:11.400 he decided not to do that? When did it become toxic? 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:14.040 I guess for Trump to attach himself to a vaccine 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:14.960 he put on the fast. 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:18.160 Rug that I can't answer. I mean, I've done a 0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:20.640 lot of research and that's really not clear why he 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:21.440 didn't support that. 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:21.720 More. 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:24.000 I think that part of it was his base was 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:32.040 turning against the lockdowns and were opening up and even 0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:35.360 declaring that the pandemic was over. As you may have 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:38.560 read in my book, Vice President of Piss did a 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:42.360 major Wall Street Journal editorial saying that pandemic is over, 0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:44.920 there is not a second wave. So if there's not 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:46.920 a second wave, if the pandemic is over, what do 0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:50.000 you need a vaccine? And perhaps President Trump was supporting 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:50.640 that viewpoint. 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:52.760 Yeah, I mean I get the need for a vaccine, 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:55.280 so it doesn't happen again, Although we will see it 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:57.520 mutate and do other things as often as the case 0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:00.520 when it comes to viruses, But relative to the lockdowns themselves, 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.560 it became pretty clear after a period of time. Initially, 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:05.120 I think most Americans are like, Okay, we're going to 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:08.120 lock this down, and you know, we're gonna get subside 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:09.960 from the government, which I get because no one can 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:10.520 go to work. 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:12.320 But at some point it big game clear. 0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:14.120 There wasn't gonna be the big second wave, and yet 0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:16.400 we continue doing Now, how look at Biden's policy of 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:19.040 continued to hand up COVID relief money long after the 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.520 long after COVID wasn't a problem. 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:24.120 Yeah, and of course it led to a tremendous inflation 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:26.680 inflationary wave we're still suffering from. 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:27.480 That's true. 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.240 But no, the as I'm sure you know, there was 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:33.160 a second wave of the COVID starting in November of 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.040 twenty twenty that was even more deady than. 0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:35.680 The first wave. 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:38.280 And part of the problem was that virus was mutating 0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:40.840 through different strains, through six different strains in the last 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:43.760 five years, and we had a hard time chasing that 0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:46.600 with vaccines. They had to be updated continually to go 0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:48.360 after the next strain, and that's one of the reasons 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:51.200 the vaccines were not as effective as they thought they 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:52.840 would have been. Early in twenty twenty. 0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:57.520 We also when it came to response, we didn't do well. 0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:59.160 There the a lot of confusion about the severity of 0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:01.960 the virus that the public health emergency was to called 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.800 I think the last day of January twenty twenty, but 0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:07.800 everything else after that was I mean, really, the government 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:10.280 once again, those people who want more government in our life, 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:13.360 I questioned you, because look at their task with doing 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:17.040 the CDC. The test kits didn't work. I remember that 0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:19.560 there's really no national strategy. You could certainly lay it 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:22.280 on the hands of Trump, but we had infrastructure that 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:24.200 was built in to make sure that that was handled 0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:26.960 by the CDC, FEMA. When it comes to natural disasters, 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:30.640 these agencies that are tasked with making sure that when 0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:33.600 a major, major crisis hits were at least a little 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:36.120 bit prepared. It looked like they had no game plan whatsoever, 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:38.680 and I think that also helped to the public perception 0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:40.480 like we don't know what's going on here, why are 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:40.920 we doing this? 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:44.600 No, that's correct, there was no game plan, although they 0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:48.800 had done significant war game planning in twenty nineteen and 0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:51.760 they didn't follow those plans that was done at the administration, 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:54.000 and for some reason, it just was an area of 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:57.080 total confusion with the federal government for the first six months. 0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:59.920 I think later on they began to get better work, 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:02.360 but the first six months were very confusing. Of course, 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:04.440 it was a movie target that was part of the problems, 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:07.240 and people lost faith. People lost faith in what they 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:09.120 were hearing from the CDC in the federal government. 1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:12.800 Well, the mixed messages. I think Fauci had a very 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.400 interesting role on this. I think come to the conclusion 1:00:15.440 --> 1:00:17.440 most well. I think if you're on the right, you 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:20.760 absolutely despise Fauci. I'm not sure where those progressives and 1:00:20.800 --> 1:00:23.760 LUNs of the left stand. What's his legacy. 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:26.880 Well, I think time's going to have to sort that 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:28.960 out my opinion, which may not be a PARTA. And 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:31.920 I think Fauci was made a bit of a scapegoat personally, 1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:35.439 and we'll let the historians up later on sort that out. 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:38.000 He made a lot of mistakes. He should have gotten 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:40.520 a good public relations course before he'd been talking to 1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:42.840 two hnd and thirty million Americans about things that could 1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:46.320 affect their lives. So he talked way too much off 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:48.840 the cuff and confused people. But I don't think he 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:52.240 was malicious intentionally as some people believe, and I don't 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:53.280 believe he should be jailed. 1:00:54.080 --> 1:00:55.840 Yeah, I look at him and as soon as a 1:00:55.960 --> 1:00:59.000 character because he is a doctor, but I think he 1:00:59.400 --> 1:01:01.600 more of a policy You're a politician at that point too, 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:02.960 and I think that's the thing. You look at someone 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:05.000 always a physician, you know, as you're talking about it's 1:01:05.080 --> 1:01:07.959 different when you become a political being. That all goes 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:09.880 by the wayside. I don't care if you're a doctor 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:10.560 or a general. 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:14.920 Well, that is certainly true. And he had been in 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:16.720 the government, as you know him for forty years, so 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:19.960 he had become mighty politicized. He was a political character 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:22.040 and he tended to behave that way. But I think 1:01:22.080 --> 1:01:24.400 most of the fact that he just was he saw 1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:26.800 himself as a public health official, and that was all 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:29.280 he worried about. Effect on the economy, the effect on 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:32.280 jobs and businesses. That was all secondary as opposed to 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:36.000 his view of trying to protect every possible life. Honestly, 1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:37.720 that was where I believe he was coming from. 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:40.160 Ron Gerner's on the show COVID wars America struggle of 1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:42.440 a public health and personal freedom. He's not a politician, 1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:45.440 he's not a physician. He is a historian. And it's 1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:48.400 always interesting seeing historical perspective on things like this to 1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:50.560 change our live and certainly a seminal moment in our 1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:54.680 lives was five years ago when we had the COVID outbreak. 1:01:54.720 --> 1:01:57.560 Hot was handled mishandled in some cases, although at the 1:01:57.680 --> 1:02:00.040 end of the day, the fact that they developed that 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:04.120 vaccine in such record time is something else. There's still 1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:06.640 people say, well, the vaccine is killing people, it's not 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:09.120 the virus. And I got friends that believe that the 1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:11.680 facts that the virus didn't exist at all. I mean, 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:14.600 you get so many different alternate forms of reality out 1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:17.080 there competing in the space of I don't know, maybe 1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:21.000 of common sense, but of science. That's that's really the 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:23.280 problem here. I think social media added so much more 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:26.800 to this h and made it more detrimental than necessary. 1:02:29.440 --> 1:02:31.600 Well that's the true now the advice I give to 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:33.600 people then they asked me what should we turn to 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:36.800 if this happens again. What the advice I give is 1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:39.240 that we've got We're blessed in the United States with 1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:41.280 some of the best medical institutions in the world. We 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:45.640 have the Male Clinic, for example, in Minnesota, Massachusetts, General Boston, Stanford, 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:49.120 and California Cleveland Clinic all over the country. So if 1:02:49.160 --> 1:02:51.760 you don't trust the government, and that's understandable, then I 1:02:51.760 --> 1:02:54.360 would go to those top medical institutions and take their 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:57.560 advice and follow it. So if they say the vaccines 1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:01.479 work and a minimal in terms of risk, didn't trust 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:04.240 that because they're the best institutions in the world and 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:07.360 I believe they'll be honest with their medical advice. 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:10.240 Yeah, but there are people don't distrust them as well 1:03:10.240 --> 1:03:12.400 because they see it as an extension of Anthony Fauci 1:03:12.400 --> 1:03:14.680 that they're just simply not going to believe. You know, 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:17.120 we had a lady here in Ohio as an example. 1:03:17.760 --> 1:03:20.160 I don't she was a doctor. I'm a physician, I forget, 1:03:20.160 --> 1:03:23.160 but she said the VACU She's the lady who said 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:25.720 the vaccines were causing her body to become magnetic and 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:27.720 put a spoon on her nose that didn't stick during 1:03:28.280 --> 1:03:31.800 testimony at the state House. But it became a meme obviously, 1:03:31.880 --> 1:03:34.640 because you know, the vaccine's not making you magnetized. 1:03:35.880 --> 1:03:38.040 Well, I discussed her in my book. I do have 1:03:38.080 --> 1:03:41.080 that there's a couple of pages discussing her in her 1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:45.280 testimony before the Ohio one of the commissions there. But no, 1:03:45.360 --> 1:03:48.600 I don't think Anthony Fauci has enough political power to 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:51.360 affect the Male Clinic, which has been around her seventy 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:55.200 five years, or Massa Chuttus General, which is just as older. 1:03:55.760 --> 1:03:58.600 These tough top hospitals, I mean, they are independent, private 1:03:58.680 --> 1:04:01.120 organizations and they're going to do what they think is 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:04.040 right for their for their patients, and so I think 1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:06.840 they're absolutely trustworthy. They made be wrong occasional because they 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:09.280 had they interpret the data wrong, but they're trustworthy and 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:12.520 in terms of trying to be honest with their opinions. 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:14.480 I agree on those sources. I also trust my physician. 1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:16.560 And if you have a good relationship with your general 1:04:16.600 --> 1:04:19.200 practitioner and you mainly see them once or twice a year, 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:21.040 as I do, maybe see them more often, and you 1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:23.640 like that person, that'd be the one I asked, because 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:26.200 they know you and they know your conditions, and you 1:04:26.200 --> 1:04:28.920 know I would think your values and also that is 1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:31.200 in line with them, and so that would be my 1:04:31.280 --> 1:04:33.080 go to resource. Hey, what should I do Should I 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:35.760 get the vaccine? I was told, yeah, absolutely, get the vaccine. 1:04:35.760 --> 1:04:38.920 I did, got the first booster, and after that they're like, Okay, 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:40.960 you're probably pretty good for a while. Don't worry about it, 1:04:42.120 --> 1:04:44.680 and so here and here. I am never really suffered 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:47.360 too badly from COVID maybe other stuff. The flu, that's 1:04:47.400 --> 1:04:50.240 a different story entirely. How do you explain the medical 1:04:50.280 --> 1:04:52.240 equipment shortage that was also part of the plot, We're 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:54.520 going to kill Americans here because we don't have enough PPE. 1:04:54.920 --> 1:04:57.720 I'd contend that we didn't see this coming and it came, 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:02.360 and you don't. You don't we eat PPE and masks 1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:04.920 and gowns and all that stuff For an event like this, 1:05:05.080 --> 1:05:06.360 you know, you got to get caught up. And with 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:09.320 industry being shut down supply chains, that also added to it. 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:11.320 It's not like you have all this stuff laying around 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:13.640 ready to go in the event you had some unforeseen 1:05:13.720 --> 1:05:14.520 virus breakout. 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:18.120 Well, that was George Bush's objective. I mean, he spent 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:22.000 seven billion dollars to buy PPE and masks and all 1:05:22.080 --> 1:05:24.760 kinds of equipment for handing a pandemic, and then that 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:28.760 got used in three specific incidents in the next fifteen years, 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:32.600 and Congress never reapproved funds. Obama tried to after Ibula. 1:05:33.240 --> 1:05:35.600 Obama tried his best to get those funds replenished or 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:39.600 at least partially replenished, and we were in sequestration cutting budgets, 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:43.400 and that money never got funded. So PPE never got funded, 1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:45.520 and those shelves were empty when Trump came on board, 1:05:45.560 --> 1:05:46.280 like he said. 1:05:46.120 --> 1:05:48.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't. We used it, never bothered 1:05:48.880 --> 1:05:50.720 replenishing it because oh well, we're good. 1:05:50.960 --> 1:05:51.400 We got an. 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:54.000 Unlimited supply of this, and we really didn't. I think 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:56.480 the thing that's emitted for most Americans, too, Ronald, was 1:05:56.520 --> 1:05:58.800 when you know, you saw folks in nursing homes that 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:01.760 couldn't have contact with anyone from the outside world except 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.440 you know, their nurse would be on loading dock, smoking 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:06.800 a cigarette and hanging out with people and then go 1:06:06.840 --> 1:06:08.640 back and treat your love, and meanwhile you can't make 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:10.720 contact with them. And of course they saw people being 1:06:10.720 --> 1:06:12.800 hauled out in body bag from them same kind of 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:18.120 facilities that those images there. I think that really stuck 1:06:18.120 --> 1:06:20.919 with Americans, and not in a good way. 1:06:22.080 --> 1:06:24.120 I think that that may well have been an overreaction. 1:06:24.200 --> 1:06:26.800 Thank you point out I'm not a position, but I 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:29.040 think that they surely could have found a way when 1:06:29.080 --> 1:06:32.200 people were passing on their family and elders could see 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:34.520 them in their last moments or before, you know, shortly 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:36.640 before that, there must have been a way of doing that. 1:06:36.920 --> 1:06:38.960 If nothing else, they would get completely dressed up in 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:41.720 PPN wear masks as opposed to doing that over a 1:06:41.800 --> 1:06:42.280 zoom call. 1:06:43.040 --> 1:06:45.440 I think we've learned from that, hopefully. Yeah, and just 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:45.919 so much. 1:06:46.040 --> 1:06:50.040 You know, the misinformation out there was certainly a cause 1:06:50.080 --> 1:06:52.360 of this thing, no doubt about it. But when this 1:06:52.440 --> 1:06:55.520 thing came down pretty clearly the political divides and it 1:06:55.560 --> 1:06:59.440 was politics over science. What surprised you the most is 1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:02.120 in your recent about that divide and about that part 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:03.120 of level partisanship. 1:07:03.960 --> 1:07:08.200 Well, it surprised me is that politicians supported it. Just 1:07:09.040 --> 1:07:11.400 in my opinion, they weren't necessarily representing the interests of 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:15.760 their constituents in terms of their health. And I'm ashamed 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:17.680 to say this, but there's a huge difference in death 1:07:17.720 --> 1:07:22.240 rates between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats tended to open their 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:25.200 schools more slowly, in the communities more slowly, and were 1:07:25.280 --> 1:07:28.240 much more highly vaccinated as opposed to Republicans who had 1:07:28.600 --> 1:07:32.440 much much lower vaccination rates which affected death rates, and 1:07:32.440 --> 1:07:34.800 the data is all in my book, which is just 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:35.480 a tragedy. 1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:37.680 Well, well, I would say Florida seemed to do. Everyone 1:07:37.720 --> 1:07:39.680 pointed to Florida's being while we opened back up, we 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:41.280 didn't lock stuff down, and then we were fine. 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:48.200 Well, Florida had slightly below average death rates, so that's true. 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:50.880 I mean that they were fine. But in terms of 1:07:51.040 --> 1:07:53.480 the states that were you can compare what I can 1:07:53.720 --> 1:07:56.680 have a strong comparison between Vermont and Florida. Vermont's got 1:07:56.680 --> 1:07:59.800 a sniffeting out of population in Florida, which is surprises, 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:04.520 as does Maine. Yet they had death rates compared to Florida, 1:08:05.320 --> 1:08:07.919 roughly one third the death rate of Florida. So there's 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:09.840 a lot of interesting comparisons that are yet to be 1:08:09.880 --> 1:08:11.520 done to understand what actually happened. 1:08:11.640 --> 1:08:13.240 Do you think we'll ever have a total grasp of 1:08:13.440 --> 1:08:14.920 what occurred and why? 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:18.200 I think eventually I think that data would come out, 1:08:18.200 --> 1:08:20.879 but it may take a couple of generations. It's interesting, 1:08:20.920 --> 1:08:25.120 Scott that the first really in depth analysis of the 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:28.559 nineteen eighteen Spanish fluid didn't come out until nineteen seventy eight, 1:08:29.920 --> 1:08:32.400 almost fifty years later, and that was what motivated being 1:08:32.560 --> 1:08:34.400 right in my book COVID Wars to try to get 1:08:34.560 --> 1:08:37.080 a solid history of what happened much much sooner. 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:38.519 We'll see if that actually worked. 1:08:39.479 --> 1:08:42.240 And the final point is as a historian, Ronald, do 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:44.920 we ever learn from this? I say no, we never 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:45.920 ever ever learn. 1:08:47.720 --> 1:08:51.320 Well, that's funny, a realistic view, but I like to 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:54.719 think of myself as optimistic. I think over time, I think, Scott, 1:08:54.920 --> 1:08:57.920 when the emotion washes away. There's so much emotion right now, 1:08:57.920 --> 1:09:00.719 when that washes away, and what's left to the facts 1:09:00.760 --> 1:09:03.559 that people do look at and come get some conclusions. Yes, 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:04.599 I think we'll learn from this. 1:09:05.680 --> 1:09:07.920 It's Ronald Gruin a COVID Wars, America struggle or a 1:09:07.920 --> 1:09:11.080 public health and personal freedom. He's a historian, so not 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:13.720 a political book or a medical book, but rather from 1:09:13.760 --> 1:09:15.400 a historical perspective on this, which I love. 1:09:15.479 --> 1:09:16.839 Ronald all the best, Thanks again. 1:09:17.640 --> 1:09:19.160 Thank you, good chatting with you. 1:09:19.479 --> 1:09:22.599 Seconds away from news on seven hundred WW then we return. 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:25.559 If you get that hot libertarian streak and you're like me, 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:29.080 you're gonna like this one. We've talked about this in 1:09:29.120 --> 1:09:31.040 the past. And it looks like maybe it's coming to 1:09:31.080 --> 1:09:33.799 a head. Finally, you're not sure. Bob All from Buckeye 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:37.599 Institute on an Ohio man facing prison because he makes 1:09:37.640 --> 1:09:40.760 his own alcohol. You can make pretty much everything else 1:09:40.760 --> 1:09:42.639 as long as you consume it in your own household, 1:09:42.640 --> 1:09:46.479 whether it's beer, wine, you know, vegetable garden, bakery at 1:09:46.520 --> 1:09:50.639 whatever federal law says. You cannot make your own alcohol. 1:09:50.640 --> 1:09:54.080 You cannot distill a beverage. Otherwise you're looking at five 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:56.920 years in prison. Whiskey tango, foxtrot. We'll get that next 1:09:56.920 --> 1:09:58.240 seven hundred WW Do. 1:09:58.160 --> 1:10:01.639 You want to be American? Good? 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:05.040 Marty Scott Flows Show on seven hundred w W question, 1:10:05.160 --> 1:10:08.639 would you be willing to go to prison for your hobby? 1:10:10.160 --> 1:10:10.280 Now? 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:14.080 Unless your hobby is being a Bengals, I don't want 1:10:14.080 --> 1:10:16.360 to go down. That's a little dark. But your hobby 1:10:16.360 --> 1:10:18.719 guy's name is James Reem, and mister Reem lives in Newark, 1:10:18.720 --> 1:10:21.760 Ohio's up the road from us, and he wants to 1:10:21.840 --> 1:10:25.400 distill small qualities of alcohol. He likes bourbon, he likes rye, 1:10:25.600 --> 1:10:31.040 he likes whiskey, and he has fascination with brewing. Owns 1:10:31.040 --> 1:10:32.840 a bur mini broad microbur as a matter of fact, 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:35.160 and he wants to make some alcohol own home for 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:38.599 his personal consumption. If he decides he's going to do that, 1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:44.240 he is subject to felony conviction ten thousand dollars in fines. 1:10:44.680 --> 1:10:48.080 We're talking about five years in prison, longer than a 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:51.439 murderer might get, simply because he is making his own 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:54.160 distilling his own alcohol in his own home for his 1:10:54.200 --> 1:10:56.400 own use, not giving it away, certainly, not selling it, 1:10:56.400 --> 1:11:00.000 but of his own use. That is a crime in America, 1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:03.800 and I think that is a crime overall. Robert Alt 1:11:04.080 --> 1:11:07.320 is President and chief executive officer of the Buckeye Institute 1:11:07.320 --> 1:11:10.680 in Columbus, where they have taken up this case im 1:11:10.680 --> 1:11:14.439 and fighting for James Rimm for a while. Robert, Welcome 1:11:14.600 --> 1:11:17.280 to sunny Cincinnati, which I think. I think you're warmer 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:19.440 today than we are here in Cincinnati. 1:11:20.320 --> 1:11:20.559 Yeah. 1:11:20.640 --> 1:11:24.639 No, I think we're enjoying a balmy couple degrees warmer 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:25.000 than you. 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:25.479 Yeah. 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:27.880 Yeah, the bald met too. Civil Ohio. This time let's 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:30.800 look warmer than it was yesterday. Let's talk about John 1:11:30.800 --> 1:11:34.200 Reams case here. He lives in Newark, Ohio, retired engineer, 1:11:34.280 --> 1:11:37.880 I think, and he owns a micro brewery, and his 1:11:37.920 --> 1:11:40.040 wife said, well, you know what, here, here you go. 1:11:40.080 --> 1:11:42.000 Here's a home brewing kid. He does that making money. 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:44.320 It's great. It's called truck brewing, by the way. And 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:47.120 now want to get into home distilling. Why is that illegal? 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:50.680 That's a darn good question. And the answer is, there's 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:52.280 a there is a law. 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:52.519 On the book. 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:54.800 This is a federal law. This isn't the state law 1:11:55.360 --> 1:12:00.559 which prohibits you from distilling any alcohol for sumption in 1:12:00.600 --> 1:12:03.080 your own home, even if you don't sell it, even 1:12:03.160 --> 1:12:06.280 if you're just doing it as a hobby. So you 1:12:06.040 --> 1:12:07.960 can you can make beer in your own home. That's 1:12:07.960 --> 1:12:11.120 perfectly legal. You commit find in your own home. I 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:13.240 don't necessarily advise it. I don't know if I've ever 1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:14.320 had good homemade one. 1:12:14.360 --> 1:12:15.439 But you can do it. 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:18.439 But if you make any amount of whiskey, it's a felony. 1:12:18.439 --> 1:12:21.680 And not only you lifted off these penalties. On the 1:12:21.720 --> 1:12:25.960 website for the enforcement agency, they make clear not only 1:12:26.000 --> 1:12:29.320 can you get fined, not only can you get imprisonment imprisonment, 1:12:29.600 --> 1:12:32.320 but they'll go after your house, They'll go after wherever 1:12:32.360 --> 1:12:35.400 it is that you were engaging in this unlawful conduct. 1:12:36.000 --> 1:12:39.640 And potentially try and seize that as well. The penalties 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:43.400 here are absolutely draconian. But the real issue here is 1:12:43.920 --> 1:12:46.760 how is it that the federal government has the authority 1:12:47.200 --> 1:12:49.800 to go ahead and regulate what you do in your 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:52.479 own home as a hobby. If they can regulate this, 1:12:52.600 --> 1:12:56.040 there's literally nothing that the federal government can't regulate. 1:12:56.520 --> 1:12:58.640 It's a victim of crime. Now, if you sell it 1:12:58.640 --> 1:13:01.960 distributed to get maybe something there. But if you make something, 1:13:02.040 --> 1:13:07.200 whether it's alcohol, whether it's bread, whether it's a pie, 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:10.559 then the only person you're gonna harm is yourself if 1:13:10.600 --> 1:13:13.240 you get it wrong. Does this law let's go back 1:13:13.280 --> 1:13:15.680 in history, is this Does this stem from prohibition when 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:19.439 people were literally poisoning others but with things like bestub gin? 1:13:20.800 --> 1:13:26.000 This actually the law I believe actually predates prohibition. But 1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:30.240 you know, if we're concerned about regulating the production of 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:34.120 alcohol for public safety, you know who's actually really good 1:13:34.200 --> 1:13:36.760 at do it at handling these sourtces of regulations are 1:13:36.800 --> 1:13:39.400 the states, and in fact the Constitution of the under 1:13:39.439 --> 1:13:42.639 the twenty first Amendment, the states have you know, special 1:13:42.680 --> 1:13:46.519 authority to regulate in this space. And if you take 1:13:46.520 --> 1:13:49.320 a look, I mean Ohio regulates in this space. But 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:53.880 Ohio actually doesn't have any prohibition on home distilling. There 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:57.200 are some states that do in addition to the federal government, 1:13:57.200 --> 1:14:00.679 but Ohio doesn't, And so there's really just no purpose 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:01.479 for this law. 1:14:03.800 --> 1:14:05.840 You know, maybe there was a time where people would 1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:08.000 get sick in poison and maybe that stems from this, 1:14:08.240 --> 1:14:10.960 but now it just reaks a protection because we have science. 1:14:11.000 --> 1:14:12.880 You know, you could learn how to do anything really 1:14:12.880 --> 1:14:15.000 in the comfort of your own home, if you're going 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:16.920 to use it for your own consumption or if you're 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:19.280 you know, if you're a neighbor like, hey, I'd like 1:14:19.320 --> 1:14:21.960 to try some of your whiskey. As long as money's 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:25.759 not changing hands, there's no violation. But if he wanted 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:27.320 to do this, would he then have to go through 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:29.719 the process of getting a federal license? 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:30.559 And what does that look like? 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:34.200 So he would have to get a federal license, he's 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:38.800 actually lawfully prohibited under the statute. It is not permissible 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:42.240 to distill in your own home, and the statue is 1:14:42.280 --> 1:14:45.400 written in a very bizarre fashion. If you happen to 1:14:45.439 --> 1:14:48.240 have a large piece of property and potentially had a 1:14:48.280 --> 1:14:51.040 shanty way out in the woods, perhaps that would be lawful. 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:53.320 But if you're trying to do so where most people 1:14:53.360 --> 1:14:55.960 are going to actually try and engage in this, if 1:14:56.000 --> 1:14:58.080 they're doing as a hobby, you know, in your own home, 1:14:58.160 --> 1:15:01.479 say in your basement or in your garage, that you 1:15:01.560 --> 1:15:02.880 can't get a permit. 1:15:02.560 --> 1:15:03.040 To do that. 1:15:03.160 --> 1:15:06.599 And if you if you engage in distilling without a permit, 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:13.040 that will rack you up felony felony charges. As I 1:15:13.120 --> 1:15:15.360 go to this, the big question here is, you know, 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:17.400 you take a look and you would ask the question, 1:15:17.520 --> 1:15:20.120 how is it that Congress has the authority to regulate this? 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:24.280 To begin with, Congress only has limited and enumerated powers 1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:27.200 on the Constitution. They can't just regulate anything willy nilly. 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:30.920 And so the big claim that they make here is 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:36.280 that they're regulating interstate commerce. But this is a situation 1:15:36.520 --> 1:15:39.720 in which they're regulating something which is neither commerce nor 1:15:39.840 --> 1:15:43.280 interstate I mean literally, what's happening in the confines of 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:46.280 your own home. If they can regulate this, they could 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:50.439 regulate bread baking, they could regulate your having a home garden. 1:15:50.880 --> 1:15:54.640 It really doesn't matter how local, how non commercial it is, 1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:57.760 it would be within the ambit of congressional regulation. And 1:15:57.760 --> 1:16:02.240 that's just not what the Constitution said, yeah. 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:02.360 Not at all. 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:06.559 And if you're selling it, different story. There's no commerce 1:16:06.600 --> 1:16:09.439 going on here, so you said interstate commerce, but there's 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:10.479 no commercial enterprise. 1:16:10.720 --> 1:16:13.440 Doesn't it fail that test? Absolutely? 1:16:13.560 --> 1:16:16.760 And to the extent The interesting thing here is to 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:19.720 the extent that there are some court decisions that have 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:23.400 had more expansive interpretations of what that means. Congress still 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:25.760 has to be regulating the interstate market. It has to 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:29.679 be necessary and proper to regulate the non commercial market. 1:16:29.920 --> 1:16:34.360 In this particular case, the home distilling prohibition, it's not 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:38.280 regulating an interstate market. This really is getting to non 1:16:38.320 --> 1:16:39.400 commercial activity. 1:16:40.520 --> 1:16:44.960 Okay. The argument from the government on this one basically 1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:49.000 is it's the reason why this is prohibited. It's uniquely dangerous. 1:16:49.080 --> 1:16:52.680 Unlike home bread baking or vegetable gardening or whatever it 1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:55.559 might be. No, no one's died. People may die if 1:16:55.600 --> 1:16:58.240 you don't do this right. It probably could say the 1:16:58.240 --> 1:17:00.760 same thing about beer or wine. I suppose taste good, 1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:03.000 and it's why, but someone can get sick and die 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:06.599 from a poorly made homemade whiskey. However, I would say, 1:17:06.600 --> 1:17:09.519 if you grow vegetables and you have a surplus of vegetables, 1:17:09.560 --> 1:17:11.680 a lot of people like the can my mom used 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:13.240 to do to make your own pickles and put up 1:17:13.280 --> 1:17:16.040 tomatoes and stuff like that as well. I'm sure it's 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:20.080 very rare, But what about food born botulism? What about 1:17:20.120 --> 1:17:22.920 food borne illnesses from poor canning techniques? If I gave 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:25.960 my neighbor a can of i don't know, pickled beets 1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:27.840 or something like that, and it turns out that I 1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:30.479 didn't do it right they got sick and died, how 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:32.479 much How is that any more dangerous than we're talking 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:32.960 about here. 1:17:34.040 --> 1:17:37.800 Well, and here's the other thing. Ultimately, that doesn't give 1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:40.840 the federal government anymore authority. The fact that they may 1:17:40.840 --> 1:17:44.000 come up with, you know, and they really haven't crossed 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:47.160 too hard on the health rationale. But even if they do, 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:52.320 there isn't a general protect health clause in the US Constitution. 1:17:53.240 --> 1:17:57.880 They're protecting health and welfare that is traditionally a set 1:17:57.920 --> 1:18:01.720 of powers which belongs to the state. And so if 1:18:01.720 --> 1:18:04.360 we're concerned about that, the states have the ability, they 1:18:04.360 --> 1:18:07.559 have the authority, and they do regulate actively in that space. 1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:10.160 And so if that's our concern, there are other governmental 1:18:10.240 --> 1:18:12.840 eneities that can do that. The fact that the federal 1:18:12.880 --> 1:18:16.519 government might be able to point to some justification that 1:18:16.720 --> 1:18:18.960 doesn't create a fount of new power for them. 1:18:20.200 --> 1:18:23.160 He is a Robert Ohl, President CEO of the Buckeye Institute. 1:18:23.240 --> 1:18:26.640 Interesting story about your hobbies. Guy named James Reem and 1:18:26.680 --> 1:18:31.400 New York, new not New York, Newark, Ohio. He wants 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:33.800 to sell small quantities of alcohols on home, make his 1:18:33.800 --> 1:18:37.640 own whiskey, basically for his own personal consumption, not for distribution, 1:18:37.720 --> 1:18:40.160 not for given away, just because he's into it. That's 1:18:40.000 --> 1:18:42.720 his hobby. If he does that, though, he's looking at 1:18:42.760 --> 1:18:45.200 five years in prison, He's looking at a felony conviction 1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:47.640 and up to ten thousand dollars in fines just for 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:50.719 creating alcohol for his own use. We allow home brewing 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:52.280 with a home wine making and a whole bunch of 1:18:52.320 --> 1:18:54.600 other things you can do in your house. Why is 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:58.320 alcohol so dangerous that you need a federal exemption and 1:18:58.360 --> 1:19:00.120 a license in order to do it? That is the 1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:04.599 argument before the court, and the Buckeye Institute is leaning 1:19:04.600 --> 1:19:06.439 into it that as a friend of the court and 1:19:06.520 --> 1:19:09.599 a friend of mister Reim. And he's on the show 1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:12.840 this morning to discuss here on seven hundred WLW. You 1:19:12.880 --> 1:19:15.799 know you mentioned earlier about Article one and the authority 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:18.879 to criminalize home distilling. If you go back to prohibition, 1:19:18.960 --> 1:19:21.559 the federal government needed the eighteenth Amendment to ban alcohol 1:19:21.560 --> 1:19:26.200 production and consumption. Does that show that Congress lacks the 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:28.320 authority to criminalize home distilling? 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:34.240 You know, I think this goes to, yes, the limitations 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:37.639 on government power, the fact that you couldn't just simply 1:19:38.240 --> 1:19:41.360 have Congress go ahead and restrict it across the board. 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:45.200 You needed a constitutional amendment to actually get to a 1:19:45.240 --> 1:19:47.800 flat prohibition broadly. 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:47.760 On this. 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:51.559 And if you take a look in this particular case, 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:54.200 I mean, the other argument that they make in this 1:19:54.320 --> 1:19:57.080 case is that it's somehow necessary to the taxing power. 1:19:57.120 --> 1:20:01.960 But it's it's interesting in this case, producing alcohol is 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:06.240 potentially subject to an excise tax, but the prohibition actually 1:20:06.280 --> 1:20:09.760 prevents the federal government from collecting any tax. As we've 1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:12.960 said in this case, and we actually not just a 1:20:12.960 --> 1:20:17.200 friend of the court, we directly represent mister Reem in 1:20:17.240 --> 1:20:20.439 this particular case, mister Reim would be willing to pay 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:24.000 a tax on producing the alcohol, uh, if they would 1:20:24.040 --> 1:20:28.080 just let him actually produce the alcohol for his own consumption. 1:20:28.439 --> 1:20:32.320 So the interestly that oddly the federal government is preventing 1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:34.160 itself from getting the tax revenue. 1:20:35.800 --> 1:20:38.080 I mean, what would cost for a LICEI. I'd imagine 1:20:38.080 --> 1:20:39.880 it's a lot of them. It's like a federal firearms 1:20:39.960 --> 1:20:42.479 later to distribute firearms or something like that. It's it's 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:47.960 exceptionally expensive to do that. Yeah. I look at this 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:49.920 and it's like the same thing. And this guy's willing 1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:51.679 to do it to pay the tax, and they still 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:54.680 won't let them. There's no, there's no, that's unreasonable. I 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:56.719 guess that's a great exist I think that's a helpful 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:58.040 illustration for your case. 1:20:57.840 --> 1:20:58.120 Don't you. 1:20:59.160 --> 1:20:59.320 Oh? 1:20:59.320 --> 1:20:59.880 Absolutely? 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:00.240 Uh? 1:21:00.920 --> 1:21:03.639 Well, and you know, we we just had oral arguments 1:21:03.640 --> 1:21:06.559 down there in Cincinnati last week before the Sixth Circuit 1:21:06.600 --> 1:21:09.360 Court Appeals and I'll tell you it was I felt 1:21:09.400 --> 1:21:12.040 like it was. It was a bad day to be 1:21:12.200 --> 1:21:16.360 the federal government's attorney. The the the the government actually 1:21:16.400 --> 1:21:19.080 had tried to just argue a very narrow set of 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:23.320 issues in the briefs. The court asked the government to 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:27.679 be ready to discuss the constitutional arguments beyond the narrow 1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:33.120 standing arguments. Uh and the government essentially refused to do so. 1:21:33.120 --> 1:21:34.840 So the court. 1:21:34.920 --> 1:21:37.840 The court was none to please there was some test 1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:41.760 the exchanges, and the court actually went ahead and sent 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:46.479 an additional order to the government to provide additional briefing 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:51.400 responding to the Bakay Institute and mister Reems constitutional clients. 1:21:51.880 --> 1:21:54.160 I'm not an attorney. I'm a simple layperson with a 1:21:54.200 --> 1:21:56.360 simple mind. But I would read that as they don't 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:58.400 even have an argument as to why this is the law. 1:21:58.800 --> 1:21:59.680 That's what it sounds like. 1:22:00.600 --> 1:22:03.200 Well, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see what We'll 1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:06.000 see what they come up with. But but suffice it 1:22:06.080 --> 1:22:09.840 to say it was it was. It was a better 1:22:09.920 --> 1:22:13.120 day to be representing mister Reeve. I'll leave it at that. 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:16.080 Well, I guess the question would be is if their 1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:18.360 job is to enforce the law and fight for the 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:20.160 law in this case and they can't even come with 1:22:20.200 --> 1:22:22.280 a reason why making your own alcohol for your own 1:22:22.280 --> 1:22:26.200 consumption and your home is illegal, is that indicator that 1:22:26.240 --> 1:22:27.479 the state should just give up? 1:22:29.240 --> 1:22:32.519 Well yeah, again, as someone who's arguing on behalf of 1:22:32.560 --> 1:22:36.720 mister rehim, I will say, I don't think that the 1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:39.320 government should be regulating in this space. I don't think 1:22:39.320 --> 1:22:42.400 they've been able to articulate a good reason. You've actually 1:22:42.520 --> 1:22:45.760 articulated stronger reasons for why it is that they might 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:48.280 be able to regulate in this space I think than 1:22:48.320 --> 1:22:49.200 the government has. 1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:52.680 That's that's frightening. Either I'm in the wrong place or 1:22:52.800 --> 1:22:56.240 the government's really stupid. Anyway, Bob Alti is here, President, 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:59.559 Robert Hall, President, chief executive for the Buckeye Institute. So 1:22:59.600 --> 1:23:02.400 what's next before the Sixth Circuit? It sounds to me 1:23:02.600 --> 1:23:04.240 like and you never can read the tea leaves when 1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:06.599 it comes to court and a judge obviously or judges obviously, 1:23:06.880 --> 1:23:08.880 but it sounds like they're going to side with you. 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:11.000 What happens if that's the case, and moving forward? 1:23:12.040 --> 1:23:16.559 Well, right now, the government actually has a brief due 1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:21.960 next month. The court has given us a very short 1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:25.640 one week time to respond to that brief. If the 1:23:25.680 --> 1:23:27.840 Sixth Circuit were to rule in our favor, as we 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:33.919 hope that it does, presumably at that point the government 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:36.439 might appeal the case to the US Supreme Court. So 1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:39.759 we will see. But I have a feeling that whoever 1:23:39.800 --> 1:23:43.559 loses this case, it's likely to keep on going up 1:23:43.600 --> 1:23:45.479 through the courts, and the next stop would be the 1:23:45.520 --> 1:23:46.200 Supreme Court. 1:23:46.560 --> 1:23:49.080 You recall, there's an argument in all your years as 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:51.960 an attorney in studying the law, Robert, that there's been 1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:54.880 an instance where the government has no solid reasons to 1:23:54.880 --> 1:23:57.439 watch something as banned or is the law, and yet 1:23:57.479 --> 1:23:59.800 they continue to fight for keeping the status quoe. 1:23:59.800 --> 1:24:00.280 Why is that? 1:24:00.320 --> 1:24:02.320 If they represent the people and it's in the people's 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:04.720 best interest, going, yeah, I mean maybe there's a time 1:24:04.720 --> 1:24:07.000 in America where we needed that, but clearly that time 1:24:07.000 --> 1:24:10.680 has passed, especially when you look at the deregulation of 1:24:10.760 --> 1:24:13.760 things like marijuana for example, and guess what, you know, 1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:15.800 gay marriage, whatever it might be. You know, the earth 1:24:15.840 --> 1:24:18.400 is still spinning and we're just fine despite all of 1:24:18.400 --> 1:24:20.720 these horrible things going to destroy the fabric of our 1:24:20.720 --> 1:24:24.400 country and our makeup, and yet we continue to march 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:28.200 on forward. Alcohol home home distilling of alcohol seems to 1:24:28.200 --> 1:24:31.559 fit into that category as well. So, if they represent 1:24:31.600 --> 1:24:33.240 the people and are fighting for the people, because that's 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:37.120 the state the people versus in this particular case, why 1:24:37.160 --> 1:24:38.160 they continue to fight. 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:42.120 For this, you know, that is an excellent question, and 1:24:42.520 --> 1:24:46.360 it's one that uh, you know, at times I do 1:24:46.439 --> 1:24:49.400 think sometimes the government just you know, there there is 1:24:49.479 --> 1:24:55.040 this there is a practice within the Justice Department to 1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:57.880 defend any statute that's on the book, so long as 1:24:57.920 --> 1:25:04.400 there's any conceivable legal justification for doing so. You know, 1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:07.880 and and I this is this is the policy, regardless 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:10.920 of who the administration is. But this is one of 1:25:11.000 --> 1:25:13.240 those cases of that I think really makes you scratch 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:16.200 your head as to why is it that we're spending 1:25:16.600 --> 1:25:20.240 government resources to defend a statute that really doesn't serve 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:23.720 any good purpose and for which the government really, you know, 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:26.960 lacks the authority to have regulated here to begin with. 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:30.360 If you start distributing this stuff and selling it, we 1:25:30.439 --> 1:25:32.400 know that, you know, there will be federal agents. It'll 1:25:32.400 --> 1:25:34.200 be breathing down in your act, and you're facing rightly 1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:37.519 so stiff finds penalties, jail time if you're selling and 1:25:37.520 --> 1:25:40.479 distributing your alcohol. We have a law in Ohio that 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:42.519 says I can grow up to you know, twelve pot 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:44.720 plants and do with it what I believe. And yet 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:47.360 somehow home distilling is is. 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:48.559 Something worth fighting for. 1:25:48.600 --> 1:25:51.759 It makes this argument makes no sense whatsoever, which tells 1:25:51.760 --> 1:25:54.280 me this argument will continue to go on for years 1:25:54.280 --> 1:25:54.639 to come. 1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:00.760 Unfortunately, sometimes it seems like the things that are the 1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:03.680 most common sensical those are the things that are the 1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:06.919 hardest to actually succeed on in government. 1:26:07.000 --> 1:26:09.719 This is what we're fighting for. Robert All, President, CEO 1:26:09.840 --> 1:26:13.679 of the Buckeye Institute, representing James Reim out of Newark, Ohio. 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:16.719 I'm definitely on team Alt and Tim Reem. Thanks again 1:26:16.760 --> 1:26:19.720 for the time, Robert, Thanks for having me appreciate it 1:26:19.760 --> 1:26:22.880 all the best. It's maddening and think of like, Okay, well, 1:26:23.080 --> 1:26:26.400 these are government employees that work for us, and they're 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:30.240 supposed to protect our interests. Why is fighting against and 1:26:30.240 --> 1:26:33.759 spending millions of dollars trying to prevent a guy from 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:35.640 making his own alcohol and his own home for his 1:26:35.680 --> 1:26:38.479 own consumption worth all of that effort, one may ask. 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:41.120 It's a good question, and that is the core problem 1:26:41.160 --> 1:26:43.960 with our government. Scott Flums Show seven hundred WW. 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:47.559 Time to talk about money, how to make it, how 1:26:47.600 --> 1:26:51.040 to keep it, and how to keep others off your stack. 1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:58.320 This is all worth advice with Andy Schaeffer Andrew. 1:26:58.320 --> 1:26:59.479 Good morning, has life. 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:01.360 Everything's great, Scott, how are you doing? 1:27:01.479 --> 1:27:04.360 Everything is fine? Thanks for asking. We will jump right 1:27:04.360 --> 1:27:06.400 in this morning. We've got some job numbers, who've got 1:27:06.439 --> 1:27:09.320 retail sales numbers coming out earlier this morning, and I'll 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:12.040 begin with something I saw. I always love throwing a 1:27:12.080 --> 1:27:15.800 curveball as the first pitch. Here Ford an ounce there, 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:20.160 discontinuing the much hyped but very slow selling electric pickup truck, 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:22.000 the F one fifty Lightning. I remember a couple of 1:27:22.040 --> 1:27:23.479 years ago in to KM and they rolled this thing out. 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:25.519 I'm like looking at it, going, look, i'd drive a 1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:29.720 I have a two fifty service truck for you know, 1:27:29.840 --> 1:27:32.280 with all my remodeling and rentals and all that stuff. 1:27:32.280 --> 1:27:33.080 I got my tools in. 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:35.920 I look at that going on, how many contractors are going, wow, 1:27:35.960 --> 1:27:38.240 I really need to be an electric truck now. The Tesla, 1:27:38.360 --> 1:27:41.559 I guess that pick up sells fairly well, but again 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:44.120 that's more of a vanity, you know, luxury kind of thing. 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:47.599 If you're driving at one fifty, two, fifty, three, fifty, 1:27:47.640 --> 1:27:51.400 whatever it is, you're looking at that going yeah, for 1:27:51.520 --> 1:27:54.360 what I haul, the battery ain't gonna make it work now. Granted, 1:27:54.520 --> 1:27:57.360 F one fifties, you know, the entry level regular passenger 1:27:57.400 --> 1:27:59.680 pickup truck not sarily a work truck, but it's a 1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:02.880 big best selling pickup truck of all time. And I 1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:05.040 think the lesson there, correct me if I'm wrong, is 1:28:05.040 --> 1:28:07.680 that when the government decides, hey, we're going to have 1:28:07.720 --> 1:28:10.000 to mandate and push these cars because this is what 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:13.439 we want, not what the consumer wants. You're gonna wind 1:28:13.560 --> 1:28:18.280 up costing everyone billions of dollars automobile companies like Ford 1:28:18.320 --> 1:28:21.479 and the rest, because we the consumer eventually pay for 1:28:21.479 --> 1:28:22.160 those mistakes. 1:28:22.920 --> 1:28:24.519 Yeah, this was really no surprise to me. 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:26.400 I did see the headlines on it, but I haven't 1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:28.200 had a chance to dive in too deep to it. 1:28:28.240 --> 1:28:30.519 But I did notice that, you know, they were ending 1:28:30.520 --> 1:28:32.960 the production of the all electric F one fifty lightning, 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:35.920 you know, over the next few weeks. And I don't 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:38.439 think it's really much of a shock if you've been 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:41.360 watching the market shifts since the elimination of the seventy 1:28:41.360 --> 1:28:44.559 five hundred dollars federal ev instead of this year, right, 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:47.000 And so that's the big thing, and that's starting to 1:28:47.120 --> 1:28:52.040 decrease demand. You know, Ford's shifting more to higher return opportunities, 1:28:52.200 --> 1:28:55.000 you know, more I would say, hybrid trucks and vans 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:55.600 and that. 1:28:55.800 --> 1:28:56.800 So it's it's not. 1:28:56.840 --> 1:29:00.160 That Ford doesn't understand that, you know the future is 1:29:00.200 --> 1:29:02.680 probably more clean energy. We all want clean energy, but 1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:06.240 you're also running a business that shareholders rely on. And 1:29:06.280 --> 1:29:08.840 if you don't see the demand in the purchase of 1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:12.120 these vehicles, you know you're gonna see some cuts that 1:29:12.240 --> 1:29:14.559 come down the pike as far as corporate decisions are 1:29:14.560 --> 1:29:17.000 being made. So this isn't really much of a surprise 1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:19.680 to me, you know, but you know, you have to 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:21.880 figure out ways to make your company productive, and this 1:29:22.040 --> 1:29:23.599 just hasn't been very profitable for them. 1:29:23.800 --> 1:29:24.880 Yeah, no question about it. 1:29:25.600 --> 1:29:27.559 And I look at that and necessarily not everyone who 1:29:27.640 --> 1:29:29.680 drives an F one fifty or you know, maybe two 1:29:29.800 --> 1:29:32.760 or three fifty. Our contractors will worry people who are 1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:35.479 in the trades. But you know, I think there's a 1:29:35.520 --> 1:29:38.479 certain lifestyle element to that as well, that you're going 1:29:38.560 --> 1:29:40.200 to haul stuff at some point. I just don't see 1:29:40.240 --> 1:29:42.840 that there's reliable and you know, years ago and they decided, hey, 1:29:42.840 --> 1:29:44.920 we're going to go and totally go all in on 1:29:45.000 --> 1:29:47.240 ev as opposed to hybrids, I think that's a mistake 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:49.920 because you've got to you've got to make a transition. 1:29:50.439 --> 1:29:52.679 If we all grew up on an internal combusting engines 1:29:52.720 --> 1:29:54.960 and you're trying to get off that, okay, but the 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:57.360 hybrid engine where you have gas or diesel as a 1:29:57.360 --> 1:29:59.280 backup and then the battery kicks in and you can 1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:01.639 get you know, you know, seventy to one hundred miles 1:30:01.640 --> 1:30:03.880 a gallon. Who doesn't like that, Who doesn't like saving 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:06.200 money in that regard and the costs built into the 1:30:06.200 --> 1:30:08.639 truck maybe a little bit more, but you're getting money 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:11.439 back as opposed to just a straight electric vehicle that 1:30:11.479 --> 1:30:13.439 you have to charge. There's no backup plan there, and 1:30:13.479 --> 1:30:15.000 I think that that's a turn off for a lot 1:30:15.000 --> 1:30:18.080 of people. And the government was way over aggressive with 1:30:18.560 --> 1:30:21.919 stressing going from internal combustion to straight battery. 1:30:22.479 --> 1:30:24.479 Yeah, and I think you make a good point there, Scott. 1:30:24.520 --> 1:30:25.720 I think a lot of it does have to do 1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:27.559 with lifestyle. You know, I live out in the country 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:30.760 outside of Cincinnati, and most of the workers all have 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:31.760 pickup trucks up here. 1:30:31.880 --> 1:30:33.240 They need for their job. 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:37.280 They need to all not only tools, equipment materials, and 1:30:37.720 --> 1:30:40.760 needs to start when they need it to start. You know, 1:30:40.800 --> 1:30:44.040 my father in law has a electric vehicle and he 1:30:44.080 --> 1:30:45.880 has an issue with his battery right now. Well, he 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:48.160 was explaining to me how expensive it is to get 1:30:48.160 --> 1:30:50.519 a battery replaced in one of the cars. And so, 1:30:50.880 --> 1:30:52.879 you know, as far as your comments about the lifestyle. 1:30:52.960 --> 1:30:55.719 I think, you know, the electric vehicles make more sense 1:30:55.760 --> 1:30:58.559 for smaller sedans and things like that to where you're 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:01.799 you're traveling to and from work as opposed to hauling 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:05.120 major materials for your everyday blue collar job. And so, 1:31:06.000 --> 1:31:09.040 you know, the market has shifted. We've seen players like 1:31:09.120 --> 1:31:12.000 Honda hedging its best with assembly lines capable of multi 1:31:12.479 --> 1:31:15.200 multiple power plants. Tariffs have played a role into this 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:17.439 as well, and that you know, manufacturers have been forced 1:31:17.439 --> 1:31:19.760 to rethink some of these long term strategies on the 1:31:19.800 --> 1:31:21.720 EV side. And I think we're going to see just 1:31:21.960 --> 1:31:23.439 you know, in the into the future on this. 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:25.400 Yeah, it's and it's not like people in the train. 1:31:25.479 --> 1:31:28.640 I hate this one as well because you know, knuckle draggers. Again, 1:31:28.720 --> 1:31:31.320 you diminish an entire group of people. And I'll fight 1:31:31.400 --> 1:31:34.160 tooth and dog tooth and nil for contractors because that's 1:31:34.200 --> 1:31:37.200 my line of work. Is that you know, Okay, well, 1:31:37.439 --> 1:31:40.920 I have a diesel truck, but all my tools, almost 1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:43.320 all my tools are battery operated. It's not like we're 1:31:43.320 --> 1:31:46.200 afraid of batteries or you know what. You know, you 1:31:46.240 --> 1:31:48.559 can go and get a i don't know, like a 1:31:48.600 --> 1:31:52.040 miosot chop saw and run trim and casing and crown 1:31:52.080 --> 1:31:54.880 welding all day long on one battery. Just a few 1:31:54.920 --> 1:31:56.320 years ago you couldn't do They could do that now. 1:31:56.360 --> 1:31:58.360 So it's not like the you know, trades people don't 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:00.160 like battery power stuf. 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:00.719 That's insane. 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:03.600 It's the fact that it's just not practical and the 1:32:03.640 --> 1:32:06.160 government and the decision makers to the top never got that. 1:32:06.280 --> 1:32:08.840 Let me pivot here. We have jobs numbers, retail sales 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:11.200 numbers coming in. Give me the goods. Yeah, they all 1:32:11.240 --> 1:32:14.160 came out at eight thirty this morning. I've been able to, 1:32:14.360 --> 1:32:16.120 you know, go into the headlines a little bit. I 1:32:16.120 --> 1:32:17.920 haven't been able to deep dive and try to look 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:22.160 under the hood. But essentially, the jobs report were fairly tepid. 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:25.320 We saw the unemployment rate rise to a four year 1:32:25.400 --> 1:32:28.639 high of four point six percent. The expectation was four 1:32:28.680 --> 1:32:31.559 point five. So that initially strikes me as, you know, 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:34.320 something I need to take a look at. And so 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:36.840 in addition to that, we saw retail sales be a 1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:38.479 little bit weaker in October as well. 1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:40.960 It's about three point five percent month over month. 1:32:41.320 --> 1:32:41.479 You know. 1:32:41.560 --> 1:32:43.200 So I think what this tells us is that we 1:32:43.240 --> 1:32:46.280 are still starting to see some cracks in the labor market. 1:32:47.120 --> 1:32:50.040 You know, we did add about ninety five thousand new 1:32:50.120 --> 1:32:53.519 jobs in October. That was way better than we saw 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:57.400 in October of one hundred and five thousand losses of jobs. 1:32:58.040 --> 1:33:00.400 But I do think, you know, the October numbers well 1:33:00.680 --> 1:33:02.480 had a lot to do with more seasonality. 1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:05.120 We still had, you know, as of October first. 1:33:04.920 --> 1:33:08.680 That's when the government furloughs, the job eliminations occurred, So 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:11.320 I think that number was a little bit skewed. So 1:33:11.400 --> 1:33:13.240 as far as the addition of new jobs, that was 1:33:13.280 --> 1:33:15.600 a welcome site, but the four point six percent unemployment 1:33:15.680 --> 1:33:16.200 rate was. 1:33:16.200 --> 1:33:17.360 A little bit of a surprise. 1:33:17.479 --> 1:33:22.719 Okay, So sixty four thousand up, sixty four k after falling, Okay, 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:24.760 I got it in October, still got some of those back. 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:27.559 Yeah, Yeah, And I think you know, this this kind 1:33:27.560 --> 1:33:29.560 of you know, gives kind of a blueprint for the 1:33:29.600 --> 1:33:31.960 FED moving forward. You know, we just got interest rate 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:34.640 cuts of a quarter percent last week. You know, that 1:33:34.680 --> 1:33:36.639 puts the target range at three point five to three 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:40.160 point seventy five percent. So that's the third straight quarter 1:33:40.160 --> 1:33:43.559 percent cut. I do think it's fairly noteworthy that there 1:33:43.560 --> 1:33:46.840 were three descents of the Federal Reserve. There were two 1:33:46.840 --> 1:33:49.160 people that wanted to keep rates where they were due 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:52.840 to inflation uncertainties, and there was actually one of the 1:33:52.880 --> 1:33:55.360 FED members that wanted a steeper cut of a half 1:33:55.360 --> 1:33:59.559 a percent. So there is some you know, conflicting ideas 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:01.720 about where the economy is going within the FED. But 1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:04.120 it does appear that we probably will see two more 1:34:04.160 --> 1:34:06.439 cuts into twenty twenty six as well. 1:34:06.479 --> 1:34:08.920 Wow, okay, and you know you look back at the 1:34:08.960 --> 1:34:12.360 September data and indicate that that is coming forward here too. 1:34:12.840 --> 1:34:14.880 So we're only going to two cuts in fiscal twenty 1:34:14.920 --> 1:34:15.400 twenty six. 1:34:15.920 --> 1:34:18.800 Yeah, and I think you know, the announcement was one 1:34:18.800 --> 1:34:20.719 thing we expected that there was going to be a cut. 1:34:20.720 --> 1:34:22.679 But again, you know, I always look at the post 1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:26.639 meeting projections by FED Chairman Poowe, and he did paint 1:34:26.920 --> 1:34:30.760 a more optimistic macro picture. He looked at raising its 1:34:30.760 --> 1:34:34.479 twenty twenty six GDP forecast to two point three percent 1:34:34.520 --> 1:34:37.479 growth from one point eight and he also reduced their 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:42.320 twenty twenty six inflation anticipation to two point four percent 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:45.639 from two point six percent. So you know, the FED 1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:49.400 right now does feel like moving into twenty twenty six 1:34:49.560 --> 1:34:53.240 that things are projecting in the right way. Now, we'll 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:55.360 see what the data tells us as we move forward. 1:34:55.400 --> 1:34:58.600 But that also is in line with the fedes communication 1:34:58.720 --> 1:35:02.800 about not being in an hurry to cut rates moving forward. 1:35:02.880 --> 1:35:04.760 They want to see what the data looks like, you know, 1:35:04.840 --> 1:35:07.519 into twenty twenty six, you know, see if there's some 1:35:07.880 --> 1:35:11.240 lingering impacts of the tariffs, to see if you know, 1:35:11.280 --> 1:35:15.160 what kind of industry that we've been able to drum 1:35:15.240 --> 1:35:18.160 up from the tariffs and bringing a lot of manufacturing 1:35:18.160 --> 1:35:20.280 back to the United States. So there's still a lot 1:35:20.320 --> 1:35:21.880 to be said, but I think right now the FED 1:35:21.920 --> 1:35:24.120 feels pretty good about where they are and what the 1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:26.920 optim is for optimism is for twenty twenty six. 1:35:26.960 --> 1:35:29.720 So would you say, like the labor market, it's not collapsing, 1:35:29.720 --> 1:35:30.720 but it's kind of cooling off. 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:33.360 It's cooling off, and that's the reason that the FED, 1:35:33.680 --> 1:35:34.960 you know, wants to keep an eye on it and 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:38.040 is prepared to cut rates even further, you know, Fed Shairman, Powe. 1:35:39.479 --> 1:35:41.680 Excuse me, Yeah, it is very particular. 1:35:42.720 --> 1:35:46.280 Sorry, you're right, very particular about Let. 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:47.960 Me talk for a second while you clear your throat, 1:35:48.000 --> 1:35:51.040 Andy Shaffer, is that's called a fill? Andy Shaefer is 1:35:51.040 --> 1:35:53.880 here from all Worth Financial. This show is simply Money. 1:35:53.920 --> 1:35:57.760 Theres at six o'clock on fifty five KRC weeknights, and 1:35:58.400 --> 1:36:01.360 maybe not fully tonight because Andy can't talk. Nonetheless, Andy, 1:36:01.720 --> 1:36:03.360 what do you feel like some don'nut stuck in air? 1:36:03.400 --> 1:36:03.880 What's going on? 1:36:03.960 --> 1:36:04.960 Yeah? I don't know. 1:36:05.000 --> 1:36:07.080 I had a frog in my thur that happens, I 1:36:07.160 --> 1:36:10.200 feel But anyway, you know, Fedchhairman Power is very particular 1:36:10.280 --> 1:36:13.120 about wage growth and also the unemployment rate, and he 1:36:13.200 --> 1:36:16.479 feels like if wage growth continues to increase at a 1:36:16.560 --> 1:36:20.240 high rate, that will spurn inflation fears because people when 1:36:20.240 --> 1:36:23.360 they have more money to spend, obviously, that creates more 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:26.479 demand and ultimately higher prices. Now, I've read a lot 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:29.120 of economists that don't believe that is necessarily the case 1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:31.400 and take a more dubbish approach to that. But you 1:36:31.479 --> 1:36:34.040 have to understand where fed Chairman Power and his leadership, 1:36:34.200 --> 1:36:35.960 you know what they're really looking at, and one of 1:36:36.000 --> 1:36:38.599 them is the unemployment rate. The other is wage growth. 1:36:38.800 --> 1:36:41.559 And we're starting to see the unemployment rate why rise 1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:42.679 a little bit, and also. 1:36:42.560 --> 1:36:44.200 We're starting to see wage growth rise. 1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:46.639 So what that tells me is there's a good chance 1:36:46.640 --> 1:36:49.200 that we're going to see maybe even more than two 1:36:49.200 --> 1:36:50.200 percent cuts next year. 1:36:50.280 --> 1:36:50.840 Okay, gotcha. 1:36:51.120 --> 1:36:53.160 If we add a third cut next year, it's probably 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:55.719 because we're going to start to see the labor market 1:36:55.800 --> 1:36:58.360 really start cooling off, right, And we don't. It's one 1:36:58.400 --> 1:36:59.760 of those things you want to see a rate cut, 1:36:59.760 --> 1:37:02.200 but if it means that people are losing their jobs, 1:37:03.120 --> 1:37:03.720 you don't want that. 1:37:04.280 --> 1:37:06.040 Yeah, And he wants to make sure that we continue 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.599 to spurn a lot of more jobs and keep our 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:11.600 labor markets strong. So you're exactly right. Furthermore, you know 1:37:11.680 --> 1:37:15.600 when his communication and you know, after the FED announcement 1:37:15.640 --> 1:37:19.360 during the press conference, he basically said, Hey, we're seeing 1:37:19.400 --> 1:37:23.080 the trends of inflation cooling down. We do think that 1:37:23.160 --> 1:37:25.400 inflation will get down to about two point four percent 1:37:25.520 --> 1:37:28.080 next year, and we think that the effect of taris 1:37:28.080 --> 1:37:30.320 on inflation is going to be short lived. We are 1:37:30.439 --> 1:37:32.920 still seeing some lingering effects of that, but that will 1:37:32.920 --> 1:37:35.120 start to dissipate in the first part of next year 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:36.400 and into the second quarter. 1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:39.519 Okay, Andy Schaefer from all Worth Financial. The other numbers 1:37:39.520 --> 1:37:41.759 out retail sales, how we look at, Yeah. 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:44.880 Retail sales remained pretty flat about three point five percent, 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:47.640 not really much of a change. I still think that 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:50.920 you have to take the seasonality into it. I suspect 1:37:50.920 --> 1:37:52.840 that the retail sales after I look a little bit 1:37:52.840 --> 1:37:55.760 deeper into it in the different areas where you know 1:37:55.800 --> 1:37:59.679 the consumer was spending money is a little bit skewed. 1:38:00.000 --> 1:38:02.280 Lot of that has to do to the holidays. Obviously, 1:38:02.360 --> 1:38:05.720 people spend more over the holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas is you know, 1:38:05.840 --> 1:38:09.479 starting starting off honka, things like that, And so you 1:38:09.520 --> 1:38:13.639 know this November and December are really tricky to uncover 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:15.800 what retail sales really means. And I think we'll get 1:38:15.800 --> 1:38:18.280 a better idea come January of next year. And that's 1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:19.960 another reason why the FED has a little bit more. 1:38:20.920 --> 1:38:21.559 Yeah, it makes sense. 1:38:21.600 --> 1:38:23.600 Wait until we get back to I guess normal or 1:38:23.640 --> 1:38:26.200 a cooling off here and see what retails comparatively. And 1:38:26.280 --> 1:38:28.719 I know you haven't had a chance to deep dig 1:38:28.760 --> 1:38:31.799 into the daity yet, Andy, but would you just compare 1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:34.120 November over November last year and maybe over the last 1:38:34.200 --> 1:38:35.200 three or four years. 1:38:35.439 --> 1:38:36.599 Yeah, that's true. 1:38:36.600 --> 1:38:39.200 But remember we just went through COVID not too Yeah, 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:41.240 so there's you know, some of those numbers. 1:38:41.000 --> 1:38:43.519 Are still skewed over the past two or three years. 1:38:43.560 --> 1:38:46.160 I do think, you know, another bit of data that 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:50.080 was interesting was the Joltry Report, and the joltryport is essentially, 1:38:51.640 --> 1:38:54.800 you know, the job openings and labor Turnover survey, and 1:38:54.840 --> 1:38:57.880 what that says is people that have a job, are 1:38:57.880 --> 1:39:00.200 they actively looking for a new job because they think 1:39:00.240 --> 1:39:03.439 the prospects are favorable for them. And we're seeing those 1:39:03.520 --> 1:39:06.920 numbers continue to diminish because people that are currently in 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:10.160 a job are really not looking for another position or 1:39:10.200 --> 1:39:13.479 a step up in you know, their careers, because they're 1:39:13.560 --> 1:39:15.599 fearful that there's not going to be out there. So 1:39:15.640 --> 1:39:17.800 that's another bit of the report that I found a 1:39:17.800 --> 1:39:20.800 little bit fascinating. That also also shows some cooling as well. 1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:23.719 Okay, good, what are we looking forward coming up with numbers? 1:39:23.760 --> 1:39:26.799 We did jobs rates or a jobless we did retail? 1:39:26.840 --> 1:39:27.840 What's coming up next? 1:39:27.960 --> 1:39:30.000 Yeah, Today's a big day and I'm looking forward to 1:39:30.080 --> 1:39:32.600 kind of unpacking all that and trying to, you know, 1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:34.600 make an analysis of where I think things are going 1:39:34.680 --> 1:39:36.880 to be. But you know, I think, you know, we're 1:39:36.880 --> 1:39:39.280 going to get some FED chairman speakers again. But Thursday, 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:41.799 we're going to get the CPI, the Consumer Price Index 1:39:41.840 --> 1:39:43.960 that's the measure of inflation. We're going to get the 1:39:43.960 --> 1:39:47.679 core CPI, the feds preferred inflation measure when you strip 1:39:47.720 --> 1:39:52.320 out transportation and energy and food. They believe that they 1:39:52.400 --> 1:39:54.240 don't really have an effect on that. So that's going 1:39:54.320 --> 1:39:56.880 to be telling as far as inflation is concerned. I 1:39:56.920 --> 1:39:59.320 do expect it will stay steady or maybe even tick 1:39:59.400 --> 1:40:00.680 down a little bit. And then we're going to get 1:40:00.720 --> 1:40:02.880 home sales on Friday, so that would be interesting as well. 1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:05.440 Okay, good, all stuff to look forward to. So we're 1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:07.200 holding steady at this point, and that's all I got 1:40:07.240 --> 1:40:07.639 to answer. 1:40:08.000 --> 1:40:10.040 Yeah, And I think that's the the you know, the 1:40:10.400 --> 1:40:11.920 lesson here is that, you know, I'm kind of in 1:40:11.920 --> 1:40:13.880 a neutral position right now. I'm trying to stay nimble, 1:40:13.920 --> 1:40:15.600 to be able to put the brakes on if I 1:40:15.680 --> 1:40:17.519 need to, and be able to accelerate if we need 1:40:17.520 --> 1:40:19.760 to as well. But right now things seem to be 1:40:19.920 --> 1:40:22.960 doing just fine, and not really a whole lot of 1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:25.880 big surprises, just you know, just some small changes that 1:40:25.920 --> 1:40:26.639 we didn't expect. 1:40:26.680 --> 1:40:28.599 All Right, we talked next week. You in next week? 1:40:29.040 --> 1:40:31.439 Oh yeah, all right, all right, we'll figure it out then, Andy, 1:40:31.479 --> 1:40:33.120 have a great week. I appreciate you buddy. Thanks again, 1:40:33.520 --> 1:40:35.960 you too got to sloany with Willie on the way 1:40:36.000 --> 1:40:37.760 in just minutes after news update on the home of 1:40:37.760 --> 1:40:40.800 the best Bengals covered seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati,