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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an Americans?

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Speaker 2: Got flown back on seven hundred wlw welcome to it.

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Speaker 2: We are out of the deep freeze into just the

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Speaker 2: regular freeze right now, starting off today, the city has

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Speaker 2: reversed it's a controversial eleven PM cutoff for food trucks.

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Speaker 2: I know, not too many people lining up for a

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Speaker 2: slice of pie at two o'clock in the morning when

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Speaker 2: it's thirty five thousand degrees below zero. But nonetheless things

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Speaker 2: have been right I guess wrongs have been righted here.

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Speaker 2: Initially you may recalls a public safety issue because of crime.

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Speaker 2: It was a city manager office just issued an edict

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Speaker 2: and declared that's it. You got to shut everything down

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Speaker 2: at eleven mean on the bar's rubble at two o'clock

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Speaker 2: and if you want something to eat when you're leaving

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Speaker 2: at closing time, your sol The complaint was that too

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Speaker 2: many people were gathering and causing problems and having street beefs.

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Speaker 2: And again that sounds like an enforcement issue. Why punish

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Speaker 2: the vendor. But at least a little bit of common

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Speaker 2: senses have been restored, and she's been leading the charge

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Speaker 2: on this. Council. Member Anna Alby, welcome back. How you

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Speaker 2: been good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me this spire.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a win, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: It does. No, I'm I'm glad that, you know, working

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Speaker 4: with the administration, we were able to hit this kind

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Speaker 4: of compromise to move the the end time go back

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Speaker 4: to one am on Fridays and Saturdays and Sundays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Great.

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Speaker 2: It seems so punitive too that and it was sure

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Speaker 2: a long city manager just simply said this is the

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Speaker 2: way it's going to be, you know, kind of like

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Speaker 2: an executive order almost. And that's the part that struck

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Speaker 2: me is awful is the fact that there was no input.

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Speaker 2: There was no input from the food truck vendors, There

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Speaker 2: was no input from businesses or people. They simply move

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Speaker 2: forward as like an emergency order. That was the troubling

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Speaker 2: part about this because none of it made sense, but

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Speaker 2: only to share a loan.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree. And and right now we're in

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Speaker 4: a phase with the administrations having active conversations with the

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Speaker 4: Food Truck Association, which is something that it comes to

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Speaker 4: member Mark Jeffries, Vice Mary and Michelle. When McCarney and

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Speaker 4: I were all like, hey, have you talked to the

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Speaker 4: food truck and Initially, when this edict you called it

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Speaker 4: came down at the eleven pm cutoff, they hadn't they

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Speaker 4: hadn't yet talked to them, and in fact, it took

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Speaker 4: a handful of weeks in coordination through City Council to

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Speaker 4: actually get the administration and the food Truck Association in contact.

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Speaker 4: They even have these conversations, so they are chatting now,

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Speaker 4: and my understanding is there could be more changes coming.

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Speaker 4: But to me, it's this open dialogue and looking at

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Speaker 4: this holistically and not just coming down with this like

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Speaker 4: big eleven pm cut off without the broader conversation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Did you look at any did you have any data

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Speaker 2: or analysis that convinced you eleven o'clock wasn't justified?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. So that was another thing that I really hounded

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Speaker 4: administration on the very first time they showed up the Council,

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Speaker 4: because they came and gave kind of an oral presentation.

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Speaker 4: I said, hey, where's the data. So they did come

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Speaker 4: back to us with some data points about a couple

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Speaker 4: hotspot areas where food trucks typically gather. But I'll be honest,

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Speaker 4: the numbers were not compelling. They kind of compared a

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Speaker 4: year over year before and after this, eleven PM was

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Speaker 4: couple member Jeffares to continue to push back to say, hey,

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Speaker 4: the data is not supporting that this is making it different. Now,

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Speaker 4: there could still be issues you mentioned at the top

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Speaker 4: here that you know there were some issues of people gathering. Great,

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Speaker 4: let's look at the enforcement and what's actually causing that. Right,

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Speaker 4: Something I've been interested in is is there something happening

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Speaker 4: other things happening not that are separate from the food truck?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: And bars can hopital two o'clock, but the food trucks can't.

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Speaker 2: And I guess this this compromise is a little bit

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Speaker 2: better here too. So it's one o'clock as opposed to

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Speaker 2: three am after the bars closed. But what happens if

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, hey, we start having fights and

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Speaker 2: problems around the food trucks. To me, that seems more

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Speaker 2: whether it's one am or three am, that's a criminal

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Speaker 2: enforcement issue shouldn't be on the food truck vendors.

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Speaker 4: I agree, And the one am the concept there is

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Speaker 4: that gives the CPD and everyone about an hour to

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Speaker 4: clear out before the bar is closed, right, right, So

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Speaker 4: that will, you know, handle that issue with the crowds.

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Speaker 4: But if there are issues going forward, to your point,

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Speaker 4: let's look at what's happening, what's causing it. You know,

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Speaker 4: since time police, we pride ourselves on being problem solvers,

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Speaker 4: and to me, this just takes a little bit more

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Speaker 4: If there are issues, I'm not convinced there will be

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Speaker 4: knock on work. Yeah, hopefully everyone will be on their

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Speaker 4: good behavior and we can enjoy everything food trucks bring

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Speaker 2: Right you mentioned, you know, maybe there's further discussions here

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Speaker 2: with the food Truck Association specifically, could could you wind

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Speaker 2: up extending hours at some point?

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Speaker 4: I think every things on the table right now. One

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Speaker 4: of the questions even to who's responsible to kind of

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Speaker 4: we understand where food trucks are setting up, who's responsible

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Speaker 4: in the perimeter of the food truck, you know, trash

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Speaker 4: or litters left behind, So all those things are in

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Speaker 4: conversation now and again at the end of the day.

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Speaker 4: My goal here is one absolutely ensure safety, but two

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Speaker 4: make sure these small businesses have an opportunity to grow

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Speaker 4: and thrive. Right, our food trucks are often the first

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Speaker 4: a lot of small businesses, very narrow margins, right, They're

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Speaker 4: can figure out for both sides here, right, public safety,

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Speaker 4: the public side, but also say the food truck you know,

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Speaker 4: what does this industry need to grow and thrive while

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, and Albi, we're still

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Speaker 2: going to have crime, and it's a big city, so

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Speaker 2: you will have that. But I think by any metric,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to giving people, you know, enough elbow space

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Speaker 2: in Madisonville, I don't know if you hear the story not,

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Speaker 2: it's a place called the Cheese Kkery and Liz Field

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Speaker 2: a nice little shop in that she said she's gonna

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Speaker 2: have to close now. And the reason she has to

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Speaker 2: that is an element that is causing her employees to

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Speaker 2: quit and drow. She can't stay open now. Part of this,

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Speaker 2: of course, is the economic climate. We can't ignore the

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Speaker 2: fact that their sales are down significantly because of the economy.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't help when largely female workers there are

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Speaker 2: they're not giving them free items. You have homeless people

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Speaker 2: And it's not just her, it's other businesses on the

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Speaker 6: So it's not isolated.

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Speaker 2: And I bring this up because Lumpika by Jeff Ruby

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Speaker 2: So whether it's downtown in the Central Business District or

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Speaker 2: part of a bigger problem here, and that is crime

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Speaker 2: that is helping destroy business. In the food truck thing

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Speaker 4: You know, this is Liza the chief Sakries is a neighbor.

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Speaker 4: So when I saw her do her initial post on Facebook,

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Speaker 4: is it tough economic climate right now for small businesses,

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Speaker 4: she's a neighbor. I love the cheese cakery. My parents

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Speaker 4: because that's really what's going to activate the Madisonville business

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Speaker 6: All of that.

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Speaker 4: So that is my goal for here in Madisonville, but

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Speaker 2: I think part of the problem too, talking too CPD

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Speaker 2: If they start running those people off, individuals like that off,

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Speaker 4: Well, let me just talk about so we have a

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Speaker 4: He's a known person in our neighborhood and frankly, many

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Speaker 4: He frequented other places like mad MoMA and they'll get coffee,

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Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, once you right size the police staff, right,

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Speaker 6: All right, d freeze is over y'all.

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Speaker 2: Onward and upward till Saturday and we'll get more snow

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Speaker 2: We can take you anywhere. The iHeartRadio app follows around,

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Speaker 6: Well they do.

437
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 2: They apologize, but there's season ticket holders, their core customers,

438
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 2: and go, hey, we may have to stay. Hey, here's

439
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: what we're working on. No communication whatsoever. We just simply

440
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 2: ignore things. And when you do that, you lose control

441
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 2: the message. But more importantly, you act like you don't care.

442
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 2: And maybe they don't. But you know, there's an easy

443
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 2: way to make it look like even you know, again

444
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 2: it's about money, but make it look like you give

445
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 2: a damn, and that is to actually acknowledge that we

446
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 2: weren't good this time. But you know, the only one

447
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 2: who's allowed to talk is the head coach, z Act Taylor.

448
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 2: And that's a huge problem with this football club. That's

449
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 2: a huge problem with that franchise, there's no no one

450
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: takes any account to accountability, responsibility.

451
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 6: No one from the front office talks. That's how they've

452
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 6: always been, that's how they do business.

453
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 2: And this day and age where we expect instant, clear communication,

454
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: they failed to do that. It's like they're living in

455
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, the nineteen fifties or something like that.

456
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: There's no communication. What's horror, I'll be honest you and

457
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: you see this elsewhere in the world. The Catholic Church,

458
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 2: for example, what the scandals and problems that they've had.

459
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: Horrible about communication. And if you don't get the word

460
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: out there, people are going to make their own minds up.

461
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 2: And it's not good for the product, not good for

462
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: the bottom line when you're you know, especially when you

463
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 2: wear Cincinnati on the front of your jersey. So again,

464
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: I look at what's going on with the food trucks.

465
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: A wrong was righted, a compromise was made. The food

466
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 2: truck vendors seemed not completely pleased about this, but you know,

467
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 2: staying open till one am is far cry better than

468
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: eleven pm. And also where they can park, and all

469
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: these the restrictions that were just picked out of the

470
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: ether by the city manager and made a rule. Now,

471
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 2: it took a while for this to happen, but hopefully

472
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: no one went out of business lost their jobs because

473
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: of that poor knee jerk decision to try and you know,

474
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: rather than address a criminal issue, we're going to punish

475
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: the people who are doing the right thing. But in

476
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: the case the Bengals, there's you know, it's a communication thing,

477
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: and there's just they simply don't see it.

478
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 6: It really is incredible.

479
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: It's something else and it just goes on year after

480
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: year after year, and it's easier than ever before to communicate.

481
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: You have social media. You could put something out on

482
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 2: the Twitter feed. You could put out something on social

483
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: to let people know what's going on or apologies. There's

484
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that, but they act like, hey, you know,

485
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: if we ignore it, then it's not a problem, and that,

486
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 2: of course is simply not true.

487
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 6: That's insane, I know.

488
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 2: But also moving on today, Nick Reiner in custody for

489
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: the murder of his dad and his mom, Rob Reiner

490
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 2: and Michelle Singer Reiner both dead. He is the prime suspect.

491
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: He's in custody. He has been I believe charged. We

492
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 2: do know that mental illness and self medication are the

493
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: top motives here. He struggled with mental health for a

494
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: long time, but the subject of a movie and also

495
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: had a drug problem, was actually homeless for a while.

496
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: A horrible story because you know, to go to show

497
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: you that that mental health knows no socio economic boundaries,

498
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: that people with extreme wealth and have all the access

499
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: to the best care in the world still can't get that.

500
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: And of course if you're poor, you have less of

501
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: a chance doing that. But the Nick Reiner in custody

502
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 2: for the murder, it was most likely mental illness and

503
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 2: maybe self medication. Their drug problems the top motives certainly

504
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 2: not politics. And I think it's really interesting the focus

505
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: of this is now not on Nick Reiner in the Rhiners,

506
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: but rather on President Trump, because he's now doubled down

507
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: in his comments that his death was a result of

508
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: Trump derangement syndrome. They described Reiner as a tortured and

509
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: struggling individual who suffered from massive, unyielding, incurable affliction with

510
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: Trump de rangement syndrome. It seems like the more we

511
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: progress into the second term here that President Trump himself

512
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: suffers from Trump de arrangement syndrome more than anyone else

513
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 2: in this country, I think. And for those who I

514
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 2: guess the boot lickers who will always apologize for him,

515
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 2: saying that, well, why would you expect he was Rob

516
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: Reiner was always targeting Donald Trump and simply doesn't like

517
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: Donald Oh, he doesn't like all Republicans. He's a died

518
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: in the wool leftist liberal, as a lot of people

519
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: Hollywood are. But you know, when you take the job

520
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 2: as commander in chief, and you take the job as

521
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: a representative which president is, you're going to have people

522
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: shooting arrows at you. I mean, you know, when Biden

523
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: was president, half the country didn't like Biden. Half the

524
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: country doesn't like Trump. That's how it is. Just kind

525
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: of goes along with the job. And I think it's

526
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: also especially difficult because we had the shootings at Brown

527
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: and what happened on Australia and the three Americans in Syrian.

528
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: It's been a steady drumbeat to this and the thing

529
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: coming out from the President was well, it's because he

530
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: hated me. I'm not quite sure the connection there between

531
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: him disliking Donald Trump and his death. And also i'd

532
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 2: point out Charlie Kirk you know. I mean, there are

533
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: a lot of influencers out there who said we're not

534
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: going to celebrate or mock the death of a political opponent,

535
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 2: and everyone got that mount maybe a lot of Mega

536
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: supporters got that message, except for President Trump. A surprise

537
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: that Rob Reiner is a leftist. But I think overall,

538
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean, the bigger issue here is, you know, you're

539
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: trying to sell an agenda, a controversial agenda at that,

540
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: with a lot of things, whether it's ice and immigration

541
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: or whether it's terriffs, and you could go on and on.

542
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: It's certainly a novel approach to things, and you're gonna

543
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: upset a lot of people because you are rocking the

544
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: appl card. And Donald Trump most assuredly is very anti

545
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: status quo and that is a reason one of the

546
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: big reasons why he got elected. But if you're trying

547
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: to sell your agenda to I don't think you'll ever

548
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: convince a Rob Reiner of the world. And I went

549
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: in Hollywood that you know, your agendas is good. There

550
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: are a lot of people who are in the middle.

551
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 2: There are a lot of independents who are hearing these

552
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: words and going, well, you know, it just makes it

553
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: tougher to sell your agenda to the undecided or the

554
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: middle part of the country, Like, I don't know why

555
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 2: you would hurt yourself so and I get you know,

556
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: before it was about getting attention, getting elected you kind

557
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: of the brand. It was in the first term, it

558
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: was really refreshing. It's like, wow, this guy is completely unschained.

559
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: It's interesting to hear a president's or a presidential Kenyoway

560
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: speak in those terms. But by two terms now, it's

561
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: kind of exhausting. And you know, in this world of

562
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: everything shocks you, it is awfully difficult to say things

563
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: that top the last statement, and he has a pretty

564
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: good track record of that. And it's unfortunate because I think,

565
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: you know, he does bring some good ideas or different

566
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: approaches to things that, given time, may work, and too

567
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: numerous to list here. But the problem is, you know, you,

568
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: when you do this kind of stuff, it makes it

569
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: awfully difficult to like the man. And part of whether

570
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: you like it or not, part of being a pologist,

571
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: there's got to be a likability quotient there. There's got

572
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: to be an empathy. And I said, you know, one

573
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: thing that is missing from his his arsenal is the

574
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: empathy genie, he just doesn't happen. And sometimes, as commander

575
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: in chief, as leader of the free world, you have

576
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: to engage in empathy. He's just not empathetic at all

577
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: to anything at all times. And that that really, I

578
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: think that, really, above all else, hurts his agenda.

579
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 6: I really do.

580
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: Five three seven four nine seven thousand, The Big One.

581
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: It's talked back on the iHeart Radio app. You for

582
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 2: listening on the stream this morning. Let me roll to, uh,

583
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: where're we going to? Jerry and Mercer County on the

584
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: Big One. Good morning, Jerry.

585
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: Hey, I disagree with what Trump did, what he says,

586
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: but he could have used it as a leverage point

587
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: that guy Nick was hooked on cocaine or whatever. I

588
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: wondered if he could have got an idea of what

589
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 1: Ron Reyer thought about him bombing on drug boats.

590
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure Rob Reiner disagreed with that, and that

591
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: is that's a great connection right there. And we don't

592
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: know if he was on drugs at the time. I mean,

593
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: eventually that's all going to come out. It's pretty clear

594
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: he's the one who did this this atrocity. But you know,

595
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: killing your own parents and someone is revered. I mean,

596
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of his politics, but any stretched

597
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: the Rob Reiner, but his his resid of me is iconic.

598
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. The films he's made and

599
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: the things he's been and it's absolutely in cred incredible

600
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: streak of movies. I appreciate Rob Reiner as a talent,

601
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: but the same time I look at this going wow,

602
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: it's you're making Donald Trump is making it about him

603
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: when it's not about him at all. And my point is,

604
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: I think it just turns off a lot of people

605
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: to a lot of a thing, well hearing anything in

606
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: his agenda at all, because he just overshadows it with

607
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: dumb stuff that comes out of his mouth or off

608
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: his fingertips.

609
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: Well, I just wonder what Rob Ryner would have thought

610
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: about drug if he made any comments.

611
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 6: I don't know.

612
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I mean you know again,

613
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: I and thanks with a call.

614
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 6: I don't you know. That's just so I don't know.

615
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: A watch of award shows, I really don't care what celebrities

616
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: think about things. Yeah, I don't know bout it. I

617
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: don't know whose influence. Maybe if you're younger, you are

618
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: and like, hey, what's Taylor Swift's take on this? Because

619
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: you know that's your that's your world. She's iconic. Uh,

620
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: if you're older, I think I don't know me anyway,

621
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: I look at I got. I don't really care what

622
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: Rob Reiner thinks. I really don't care what any actor, actress,

623
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: whether they're on the right of the left, I don't care.

624
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: Rob Reiner is certainly in titled his opinion, and he

625
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: has a platform that's pretty large. I get that, But

626
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 2: I don't go around going wow, well, Rob Briiner think

627
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: I gotta think the same way.

628
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: You know.

629
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: They're all sorts of opinionists and influencers out there. Sure,

630
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: but I don't spend a lit I don't know about you.

631
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what

632
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: Rob Reiner thinks. I worry about the direction of the country.

633
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: I worry about policies that may or may not be working.

634
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: Some of them do, some of them don't. That seems

635
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: to be in play if you criticize that. But again,

636
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: there's so many people afraid to step out of line

637
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: with Trump for fear. I think, on the end, I

638
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: think Marjorie Tayl Green is right about that there's so

639
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: many people that follow the company line they're afraid to

640
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: step out and say, yeah, this is wrong and speak up.

641
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: It's starting to happen now because while the president is

642
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: approaching lame duck territory at this point, and I think

643
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: you're going to see a lot more of this as well.

644
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: But then there's still people that will defend everything that

645
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: comes out of his mouth or fingertips or just simply ignore,

646
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: which is the same thing.

647
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: At five.

648
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: Bethel and Joel High on the Scottsland Show, What's up.

649
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Speaker 5: Going, Scott. I don't know if you heard what Rob

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Speaker 5: Reiner said about Charlie kirk whin he was assassinated. He

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Speaker 5: just he he was on with uh Piers Morgan and

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Speaker 5: just said how how awful it was and it was horrific,

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Speaker 5: and uh, no matter how you align politically, it's not correct.

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Speaker 5: And you know, obviously mister Ryder he was a he

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Speaker 5: was a big left that's like many in California and Hollywood.

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Speaker 5: It was just a very dignified and you know, dignified

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Speaker 5: way what he said about Charlie. And it just shows,

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm a millennial and uh, you know, Trump

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Speaker 5: has just destroyed the GOP. In my opinion, I think

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Speaker 5: the GOP's only hope is to get behind people like

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Speaker 5: Thomas Massey.

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Speaker 7: Uh that that really value.

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Speaker 5: This country because at the end of the day, Trump's

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Speaker 5: ego is just the size of a grave of sand.

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Speaker 5: And it's it's just it's so exhausting.

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Speaker 2: It is indible how he had made the murder of

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Speaker 2: Rob Ryin or his wife about him. I mean, that

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Speaker 2: is that is such a different That's like four D egotism.

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Speaker 2: I've never you're looking at that, go what and and

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Speaker 2: you know what? What he tweets and what he says

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Speaker 2: is often outrageous, and that's part of his brand. Do

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Speaker 2: you know how hard it is to continually top yourself

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Speaker 2: from the last time.

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Speaker 6: It's got to be exhausted.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's it's awful. And I voted for Trump

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Speaker 5: three times. I'm a big you know, in my opinion,

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Speaker 5: I might true make America great again conservative and Trump

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Speaker 5: is that. I think He's always kind of been a Democrat,

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Speaker 5: you know, New York conservative. And I think just as

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Speaker 5: true colors are showing it and the only one it's

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Speaker 5: turning is JD Vance in twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that the Trump's shadow and these

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Speaker 2: these are the things are just because of such a

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Speaker 2: shadow and tarnished the brand. And what I fear is

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Speaker 2: as voters, and you can see it already that they're

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Speaker 2: holding them responsible for those actions and what he's doing,

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Speaker 2: what he's saying. And if you think it's bad, if

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Speaker 2: you think it was bad under Biden, uh, the next

689
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Speaker 2: term after Trump is going to scare the hell out

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Speaker 2: of me, because unless something desperately changes, it is gonna

691
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Speaker 2: be like Rob Reiners running the country, for God's sakes,

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Speaker 2: but the commander was just slaughtered on those own bed

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Speaker 2: by son, for God's sakes. Just shut the hell up.

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Speaker 2: You're not helping anybody. You're not helping yourself for sure.

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Speaker 2: News on the Way, Scott's Loan Show. This is seven

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Speaker 2: You went to Scott's Flow with you here seven hundred

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Speaker 6: We make it easy, make it easy.

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Speaker 2: You may recall, let's go back to last spring, remember

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Speaker 2: when we had those two dog attacks and consecutive weeks

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Speaker 2: in Chlorine Township. Yeah, it was horrible. The one woman

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Speaker 2: was attacked by two large dogs in front of her kids,

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Speaker 2: trying to profict your kids, and she said she felt

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Speaker 2: like a human chew toy. And then the following week,

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Speaker 2: another pack of dogs killed a couple of chickens, threatened

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Speaker 2: a bunch of neighbors, and we learned about Ohio law,

711
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Speaker 2: the nuances of Ohio law that the only way to destroy,

712
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Speaker 2: to euthanize a dog in Ohio is if it kills

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Speaker 2: a second time. Let me run that back a second.

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Speaker 2: So you kill someone if you're a dog, and okay, well,

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Speaker 2: just as long as it doesn't happen again. Well that's insane, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't do that with other crimes. I

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Speaker 2: would do that with a dog. Well, good news is

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Speaker 2: that looks like it is about to change. It's called

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Speaker 2: Avery's Lots on Mike dewinesess right now in A co

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Speaker 2: sponsor of Avery's Law is Ohio Representative Adam Bird out

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Speaker 2: of Clairemont Conye.

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Speaker 6: I'm welcome, Harey Scott.

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Speaker 7: It's great to be with you this morning.

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Speaker 6: Thanks appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Boy, that's just such an asonine law and how that

726
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Speaker 2: stayed in the books for so long that you mean

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Speaker 2: to tell me that if a dog kills someone, you

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Speaker 2: pat it on the head and go, okay, just don't

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Speaker 2: let it happen again. But if a human being does that,

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Speaker 2: they go to prison maybe for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 2: That that's insane that we can make it to twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five with that law in the books.

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Speaker 7: Like that, absolutely, And I'm very thankful to be a

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Speaker 7: part of this bill, and it has a lot of

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Speaker 7: support among my colleagues, and it is on the governor's

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Speaker 7: desk right now. My report is that he will likely

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Speaker 7: sign it by the end of the week, and thankful

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Speaker 7: for that because we've got to protect young children. And

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Speaker 7: you mentioned that it's named after a young lady named

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Speaker 7: Avery from Central Ohio that was viciously attacked twice by

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Speaker 7: two different dogs. And you know, she's scarred and maimed

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Speaker 7: for life in her face from from the attack.

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Speaker 2: Horrible, absolutely horrible, and someone has to suffer like that,

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Speaker 2: and it took this law to get those laws changed.

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Speaker 2: As I recalled during the Coal Raine tragedy as well

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Speaker 2: as Avery, that there's criticism aimed towards dog wardens and

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Speaker 2: a dog wardens showed up, it didn't take the dog

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Speaker 2: or didn't destroy the dog. Does this new law empower

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Speaker 2: dog wardens?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely? It gives the local dog warden the authority the

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Speaker 7: see is a dog immediately following an attack. And you know,

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Speaker 7: it also imposes criminal penalties on it dog owner if

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Speaker 7: the dog owner negligently fails to keep the dog from

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Speaker 7: committing you know, an attack on someone. So you know,

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Speaker 7: I think we're making some legitimate steps here that people

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Speaker 7: will appreciate, especially and light of the fact, Sonny, I

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Speaker 7: don't know if you know this or not, seventeen thousand

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Speaker 7: dog bites across the Ohio or reported every year and

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Speaker 7: I think Hamilton County gets about a thousand a year.

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Speaker 2: Wow, a thousand dog bite. Now, granted you're not going

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Speaker 2: to about all thousand dogs are are going to be destroyed,

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Speaker 2: but it goes to show you how pervasive the problem is.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know I don't have the data

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Speaker 7: for surrounding counties, but you know that's a lot. And now, now,

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Speaker 7: this bill, which is soon to become law, is not

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Speaker 7: going to mandate the termination of the dog just for

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Speaker 7: biting someone. It's only if it kills or seriously andrew someone.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I talked to the sponsor this I remember this is

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Speaker 2: probably right after the the attacks, and I suggested that,

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Speaker 2: you know, here's the thing. If you have a vicious

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Speaker 2: dog or dangerous dog, it's bit someone in the past.

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Speaker 2: I think at that point you need to start carrying

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Speaker 2: some insurance policy. It has to there has to be

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Speaker 2: either money, an escro or a liability insurance involving a

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Speaker 2: owner of a dog if they you know, not all

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Speaker 2: dogs bite. I mean, the majority of dogs aren't going

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Speaker 2: to bite someone. But if you have a bier, you

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Speaker 2: should be forced, I think, to have to carry some

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Speaker 2: sort of insurance because in the past people have just

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Speaker 2: simply ducked out. We had a horrible cases where an

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Speaker 2: elder lady was mauled in her garden in the back

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Speaker 2: of her house. Her husband in a wheelchair to watch

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Speaker 2: his wife of like I think forty years fifty years

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Speaker 2: mauled to death by a dog that got out and

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Speaker 2: killed her. It wasn't the first time the dog attacked

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Speaker 2: her or someone else. And then later that afternoon they're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: well she killed the neighbor. They were at the casino gambling,

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Speaker 2: like how hartless is that it was a horrible, horrible story.

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Speaker 2: And I know that the suggestion that we have liability

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Speaker 2: insurance for those owners of vicious dogs is part of

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Speaker 2: this as well.

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Speaker 6: How would that work?

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean they do have to carry insurance.

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Speaker 7: And I think the real takeaway here, Scott is that

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Speaker 7: you are responsible for your animal, and you're responsible for

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Speaker 7: your dog, and you need to keep your dog in

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Speaker 7: a muzzle if required, on a leash and behind a finch.

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Speaker 7: In fact, if you've got a dog that can climb

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Speaker 7: a fench, you've got to put a top on top

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Speaker 7: of that so that they can't get out. You, as

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Speaker 7: a dog owner, are responsible for any vicious acts of

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Speaker 7: your dogs.

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Speaker 2: And the liability interest, as I call it, you'd have

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Speaker 2: to carry one hundred thousand dollars liability policy.

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Speaker 6: How would that work?

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Speaker 2: What is the trigger that the dog has to bite

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Speaker 2: someone first before that policy, before you're forced to carry

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Speaker 2: that policy?

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Speaker 7: I believe that's correct, and so you know, it is

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Speaker 7: one hundred thousand dollars, you've got to you know, I

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Speaker 7: mean that's a lot. And you know, one hundred thousand

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Speaker 7: dollars doesn't go as far as it used to. When

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Speaker 7: it comes to medical bills and requiring someone's face that

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Speaker 7: it's been damaged.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the woman in col Ray, Emily Renchler was your name.

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Speaker 2: I believe herb medical bills were in excess of two

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars for that attack in Chlraine.

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Speaker 7: That's crazy, And you know it's just so, I mean,

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Speaker 7: that's that's our good first step. Yeah, one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 7: And as you know, we do things often incrementally here

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Speaker 7: in Ohio. And if we find out that one hundred

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Speaker 7: thousand dollars isn't it up, I'm sure we'll be looking

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Speaker 7: to consider change on that in the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And for those people I think it's breed specific. It's

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Speaker 2: not about punishing breeds. It's about holding the owners of

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Speaker 2: the dogs responsible because the dogs aren't you know, it's

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Speaker 2: not up to the dog whether or not they're in

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Speaker 2: a yard or restrained, or if you let your dog

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Speaker 2: roam free, if you let them be untrained or go

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Speaker 2: put themselves in unsafe situations. That's not the dog. That's

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Speaker 2: a dog in the dog. That's up to the owner

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Speaker 2: to do that. That's a difference.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know anything about the

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Speaker 7: dog breed either. I think we all know that certain

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Speaker 7: breeds that are a little more likely to do something.

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Speaker 7: And so you as an owner, if you're going to

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Speaker 7: take that hants and you're going to want to keep

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Speaker 7: a breed that is more likely to do that, you

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Speaker 7: have got to take legitimate steps to protect your neighbors

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Speaker 7: and to protect And it's not just other people, it's

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Speaker 7: it's your neighbor's dog. You know, sometimes they'll they'll attack that,

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Speaker 7: the neighbor's dog or whatever. So if it's incumbent upon

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Speaker 7: the owner to protect protect others from from harm that

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Speaker 7: their own dog might do, what is it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's an important facet of this too. And

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Speaker 2: I want to get back on the one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars policy to begin with. But let's say someone just

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Speaker 2: simply disregards as law. What is the tooth of the

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Speaker 2: law no pun intended towards the owner of a dog.

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Speaker 2: If they just like, oh, I'm not getting insurance and

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Speaker 2: my dog's out and bite someone and kill someone who cares,

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Speaker 2: what does the what kind of power do authorities have

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Speaker 2: to detain, arrest and charge that person.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's criminal penalties for the dog owner that increase

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Speaker 7: in severity as you continue you to ignore the law. So, uh,

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Speaker 7: it's a it's a misdemeanor at this point. And but

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Speaker 7: but if you continue to ignore it, it the charge

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Speaker 7: is climbed. So you are you know, you're going to

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Speaker 7: be charged if you don't take care of this with

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Speaker 7: your dog.

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Speaker 2: If you have that, a dog escalates, it starts biting people,

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Speaker 2: biting in the in the taxi, and you don't pay

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Speaker 2: attention to it. And let's say I don't know a

866
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: kid or in this case, this lady Emily gets mauled

867
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: and they'd wind up dying. Could someone in that situation

868
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: face a murder charge under this icide perhaps?

869
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 7: No, No, that's that's not true. But you you know,

870
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 7: I mean if that, if that were to continue, I

871
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 7: guess we would have to consider change. But right now,

872
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 7: if that dog attacks one time and and and kills

873
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 7: or severely injure someone, you know, that's uh, that dog's

874
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 7: going to be put down. And that's that's a requirement

875
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 7: in this bill, that that the the dog warden sees

876
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 7: the dog immediately and that following due process, that the

877
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 7: dog would be humanly destroyed.

878
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the one hundred thousand dollars liability insurance.

879
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: And I point out to Emily Wrenchler's bills were in

880
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: access to two hundred thousand dollars. Does that number need

881
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: to be upped in the future? Why is that the

882
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: insurance or criminal level that wouldn't cover the cost?

883
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 7: Wow, you know, that's that that might be something that

884
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 7: we have to consider change in the future. But that's

885
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 7: that's where we're at right now. It's a big step

886
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 7: forward from where it is currently. And and so if

887
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 7: one hundred thousand dollars isn't en up, I'm sure, sure

888
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 7: we'll consider change in the future. But I hadn't heard

889
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 7: that the person in Cole Rain had had experienced two

890
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 7: hundred thousand dollars worth of medical bills.

891
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean some of these are so severe

892
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: and the you know, it's it's also about not only

893
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: of a wound treatment in traumacare, but it's also about

894
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: the rehabilitation and that could be extremely expensive. Unfortunately, you know,

895
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: the law now until the governor signs is saying it

896
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: dollar Doug kills twice before mandatory euthanasia under this bill,

897
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: what a dog that severely mul someone. Let's say, I

898
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: mean not kills him, but life altering injuries, but not death.

899
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: They'll be abowed to live. I mean, where where's the

900
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 2: line there? Does it have to be the death before

901
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: the dog's destroyed.

902
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 7: No, it's not depth, it's severely injures. And so I guess, uh,

903
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 7: you know, the judge will have to decide whether that

904
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 7: standard is met or not. And so I guess I

905
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 7: guess it could still cause controversy if if we're trying

906
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 7: to decide whether you know, the damage that's been done

907
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 7: to someone's face or whatever, you know, meets that requirement

908
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 7: or not.

909
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: He is from Claremont, that's Ohio. Represent Adam Bird on

910
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: the Scotslan Show seven hundred w BLW on Avery's Law,

911
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: it's on de Waine's death, past the Senate, past the

912
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: House Representedve Bird is a co sponsor of this soon

913
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: to be law hopefully here and it has to do

914
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: with vicious dog attacks. We had the dog attacks too

915
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: in two weeks in col Rane Township. There's been others

916
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: across the state. Represented Bird just mentioned there's a thousand

917
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: in Hamlin County alone, different types of dog bites in

918
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: a t as well. And the law up to this

919
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: point said that a dog can't be euthanized until it

920
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: kills a second time, meaning it kills a person, so

921
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: the first one, if your dog is free. Humans don't

922
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: have that kind of leeway. Why would we allow that

923
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: with a dog. The law is finally changing in twenty

924
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: twenty Smith looks like probably twenty twenty five here almost

925
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: at twenty twenty six, are almost there and fortunately we

926
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: know we're cooler has there prevailing here and we are

927
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: getting some good law in there as well. Up to

928
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: this point, dog wardens, I think when there was testimony

929
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: given in the Colorine attack said look, we don't have

930
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: any authority whatsoever. We're underfunded and powerless under Colonel Law.

931
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: What power and also do we see any funding issues

932
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: that are addressed by this.

933
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 7: They're no funding from the state of Ohio on this.

934
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 7: But you know, like I said, the dog warden will

935
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 7: now have the authority to take such a dog immediately

936
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 7: in that situation, and it definitely empowers them because we

937
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 7: want to keep people safe and it's outrageous that a

938
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 7: dog that has killed in the past is not immediately

939
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 7: taken by the dog warden. And you rightly pointed that out, Scott,

940
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 7: that we had that situation where the dog can kill

941
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 7: somebody and it doesn't have any impact. So I'm thankful

942
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 7: that we've made this common sense change. I think people

943
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 7: will appreciate that. I really have not heard many complaints

944
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 7: about this at all, even from dog owners, and people

945
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 7: understand that if you're going to own a dog, that

946
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 7: you're responsible for for the actions that your dog might take.

947
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 2: I think most all dog owners are that way. Of course,

948
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: there's people out there that have dog or dogs and

949
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: they just simply don't care. They you know, may chain

950
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: them up outside during inclement weather like this said, they

951
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: don't give a damn. I mean that used to be

952
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 2: conventional wisdom, you know, years and years ago. But dogs

953
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: and cats to some degree have become family members. We're

954
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: not dog owners anymore. We're pet parents, right, It's the

955
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: whole narrative has changed. We're feeding our dogs better food

956
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: than we put in our own bodies. Put it that way,

957
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: the farmer's dog looks better than what I had for

958
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: dinner last.

959
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 6: Night myself at.

960
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, there you go, go.

961
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: Adam bird one of the other things. And we mentioned

962
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: the powerlessness here of the dog wardens themselves sound like

963
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: a cut out there for just a second, and the

964
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: funding thing has to be dressed probably at the local

965
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: level there too. But what happens to a dog owner

966
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: can't aford one hundred thousand dollars liability insurance after the

967
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: dog attacks.

968
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 7: Someone whoa You know, I'd say that if you can't

969
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 7: afford that, I don't think that there is a The

970
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 7: failure to obtain liability insurance is going to be a

971
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 7: fourth degree misdemeanor. So you're going to be charged if

972
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 7: you don't have that, And you know, I would think

973
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 7: that people would would take, you know, take that to

974
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 7: heart and would would you know if you're not going

975
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 7: if you're going to get if you don't have it

976
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 7: and you get a charge with a fourt of mcgreen,

977
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 7: that's remain or you're going to you know, it's going

978
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 7: to start racking up on you here soon.

979
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, maybe you should not have

980
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: a dog if you can't afford the insurance. I mean,

981
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: if you have a dog, presumably you can afford vet

982
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: bills and the food that dog, especially bigger dogs are

983
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: going to need and all things go along with it. Maybe,

984
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, if you can't afford the gas, don't buy

985
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: the car.

986
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 7: There you go. So you know, and honestly, I'm not

987
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 7: sure what the cost is to one hundred thousand dollars

988
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 7: in liability. What is you know what that might be.

989
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 6: Scott, I have no idea. That's a that's a great.

990
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 7: Question, good insurance question for one of your insurance agents.

991
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 7: Probably a rider on your homeowner's insurance.

992
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 6: I would think.

993
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: Also, you know, an umbrella policy would cover that as

994
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: well too, and that's those are fairly affordable. But again,

995
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't have that kind of money,

996
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: maybe not that. Maybe a dog is a bad idea

997
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: for you, you know, unlike you know, kids might be

998
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: a different thing simply because of the nature of it.

999
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: But you know, you choose to go and fish get

1000
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: a dog or procure a dog, and it might be

1001
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: a free dog, but there's costs associated with the care, feeding,

1002
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: and maintenance of the dog. And it's not fair of

1003
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: the dog either because you know, they're not born vicious,

1004
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: they're treated that way or bred that way. That's completely

1005
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: up to human beings, not the not the breed, or

1006
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: not the animal itself. And you know, given that it

1007
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 2: looks like the house and sent the past different versions.

1008
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: I think there's something in here, the playful behavior protections,

1009
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: I think is interesting. Uh that their protections are dogs

1010
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: exhibiting what they call age appropriate behavior. And I'm guessing

1011
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: that has to do more with puppies.

1012
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there you go. And and so you know,

1013
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 7: because sometimes little puppies are gonna, you know, kind of

1014
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 7: chew around on things, and uh, we you know, we

1015
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 7: don't want we don't want that happening. But I don't

1016
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 7: I do believe that both versions Scott have been approved

1017
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 7: by both the There's been one version approved by both chambers,

1018
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 7: and and that's why I get sent to the Governor's

1019
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 7: death So I don't think we have to have any

1020
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 7: kind of conference committee or to agree to changes. And

1021
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 7: we have one bill. It's been approved by both houses.

1022
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 7: It's on the governor's desk, and my sources say that

1023
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 7: he'll sign it by Friday.

1024
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: Of course, there is always the law of unintended consequences,

1025
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: things like this Adam Bird years ago. Our good friends

1026
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: are next door neighbors have a Chihuahua dog and dress

1027
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: it up Halloween. Kids are coming over and kids will

1028
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: get trick or treat. They come up and she say, hey,

1029
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: listen to know the dogs the dog's cute now, but

1030
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: don't don't get too close to the dog because she

1031
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: gets a little protect if she may nip at you.

1032
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: And of course everyone listens except one kid who decides

1033
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: to go over and you know, mess with the dog. Well,

1034
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: sure enough, the dog nips them. The kids fine, doesn't cry,

1035
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: his parents get all worked up. The kids starts crying.

1036
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: They take them to the emergency room. Skin's not broken.

1037
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing. I just wonder does that law

1038
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: protect people who are innocuous in this thing?

1039
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 6: That's a lot of dogs.

1040
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: It's you know, you're not going to destroy you take

1041
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: a dog or you know, go after someone's house and

1042
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars in damages because you get nipped

1043
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: in your repul stay away from the dog. Are there

1044
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: protections there for those individuals?

1045
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 7: Yeah? Absolutely there. Their due process is required here and

1046
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 7: and so there is a hearing and uh, you know

1047
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 7: it's it's the dog. Warden can take that dog immediately.

1048
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 7: That doesn't mean that their dog's going to be humanly

1049
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 7: put down right away, but there is going to be

1050
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 7: a due process hearing, and you know you're gonna you're

1051
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 7: going to have an opportunity if if to make sure

1052
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 7: that that in the case that you just described, a

1053
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 7: dog wouldn't be put down for that.

1054
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 6: Right, I got you, all right?

1055
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: So are we one hundred percent confident governor to why

1056
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: who's going to sign this as it?

1057
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 7: Well, I'd like to think that he is. And I say,

1058
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 7: you know, if Scott Swoan thinks it's a good bill,

1059
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 7: and Adenburgh thinks it's a good bill, he probably should

1060
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 7: sign it. And uh, he's running out of time, as

1061
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 7: you know, He's got ten days discounting Sundays to sign

1062
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 7: a bill. And I think this is one that's that's

1063
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 7: worth worth doing because you know, the governor often speaks

1064
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 7: about his desire to protect kids and protect families and

1065
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 7: you know he's Ohio's first grandpa, yep, And so you

1066
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 7: would think that somebody that cares about kids and families

1067
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 7: with tiny belle like that.

1068
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: Now, this is good law and long overdue. So congratulations

1069
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: and thanks for that. He is Representative Adam Bird out

1070
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: of Claremont County, co sponsor of Avery's Law, awaiting the

1071
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 2: governor's signature and some common sense dog vicious dog laws

1072
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 2: in the state of Ahio. All the best Merry Christmas,

1073
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: and thanks for coming on.

1074
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 7: Merry Christmas to you and your family as well. Thank

1075
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 7: you for the honor of being on your show. And

1076
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 7: and you know, let's let's keep our family safe and

1077
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 7: and let's make sure we're taking care of our dogs

1078
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Speaker 7: and not putting our dogs in a position where they.

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Speaker 3: Might arn somebody.

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Speaker 2: Amen, brother, gotcha, Thanks again for the time, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Have a good one. Let me get to a news update.

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Speaker 2: Scott'slan continues after this seven hundred Wtlon on seven.

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Speaker 6: Hundred all hard to believe, to believe it was five

1084
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Speaker 6: years ago? When at all?

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Speaker 2: And I'm talking about COVID, the score on COVID five

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Speaker 2: years later. What happened here? How did we get to

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Speaker 2: this point right now? In history? Arguably we suffered more

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Speaker 2: COVID deaths than all during all foreign worst combined. We

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Speaker 2: have the largest employment loss, some twenty two million people

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Speaker 2: essentially went on layoff or got fired, completely lost their

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Speaker 2: their career, biggest number since a great depression, greatest increase

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Speaker 2: in the national death since the Second World War. When

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Speaker 2: you stack us up to all the other developed nations

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Speaker 2: in the world, no one had it worse than we did.

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Speaker 6: And I love the.

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Speaker 2: Historical perspective on this because often, you know, you get Congress,

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Speaker 2: you get political hacks that often infiltrate shows and we'll

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Speaker 2: try to spin things, is in mistruths, and I just

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Speaker 2: want the facts from history, history perspective, and Ronald Grunner

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Speaker 2: provides that in COVID Wars.

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Speaker 6: Ronald, welcome to the show. How are you.

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Speaker 9: I'm just trying and thanks for the invitation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for coming on. Yeah, this is a unique

1104
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Speaker 2: I lived through nine to eleven. You did as well,

1105
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Speaker 2: I'm sure, and we remember we're like united them by

1106
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: a common foe. America came together, albeit briefly, but we

1107
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Speaker 2: came together. This was even more fleeting than that there

1108
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: was here in Ohio. We had wine with the wine

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Speaker 2: the governor, and snacking with Acting Amy, acting the Ohio

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Speaker 2: Health Director, and all of a sudden, within literally a

1111
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks, everything turned and the hatred and vitriol

1112
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Speaker 2: for Mike, the wine changed on the dime, largely by Republicans,

1113
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: same for Amy Acton, and we saw us going at

1114
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: each other's throats. We didn't district, we distrusted healthcare disinformation

1115
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 2: ran rampant, and I'm just I'm curious as to how

1116
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: we got to that point in history where we didn't

1117
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Speaker 2: believe anything anymore.

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Speaker 9: Well, Scott, I think it was primary due to so

1119
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 9: many conflicting sources of information. I mean, I'm not familiar

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Speaker 9: with them, all the issues in Ohio, but I mean

1121
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 9: we had on a number of cable channels of people

1122
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Speaker 9: claiming early in the pandemic that it was all a

1123
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Speaker 9: democratic plot to demonize the president or undermine the president

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Speaker 9: President Trump.

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Speaker 3: So that was one aspect.

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Speaker 9: But there's information coming at people from all different directions,

1127
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Speaker 9: from the Internet, from social media, from cable news, indicasion

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Speaker 9: from newspapers. So it was a very confusing time and

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Speaker 9: people tended to polarize early in the pandemic, as early

1130
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Speaker 9: as February March of twenty twenty, and they never really

1131
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 9: changed their minds about the situation, unfortunately.

1132
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Speaker 2: But the scientific method has never changed since the scientific

1133
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: method became a thing, and that's long long before we

1134
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: came here. Right, is that you have an hypothesis you tested,

1135
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: if it's proven a scientific fact, at some point it

1136
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Speaker 2: can be completely endermind. But this thing happened so quickly.

1137
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Speaker 2: And also the vaccine, the Arna vaccine was developed so

1138
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Speaker 2: quickly we didn't have that history, and so we know

1139
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: much more today about RNA. We know much more today

1140
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Speaker 2: about the vaccines than we did when they were first developed,

1141
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: and rather quickly, for that matter. Instead of celebrating, we

1142
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: start attacking them. I think that's a difference.

1143
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Speaker 6: Though.

1144
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Speaker 2: The scientific method we looked through that out the window,

1145
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: going now, well, yeah, you know what we thought we

1146
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: knew about. It is tested and either it passes or

1147
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Speaker 2: fails to test. What am I missing there?

1148
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Speaker 9: Well, what you're missing, I think is that the scientific

1149
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 9: method depends on the reliable data. Reliable data, and so

1150
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 9: a lot of that data was missing. Things were moving

1151
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 9: so quickly, people didn't have the data or didn't trust

1152
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 9: the data to really say, okay, I can draw some

1153
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 9: solid conclusions about the data I'm being presented. Either wasn't

1154
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 9: there or was considered unreliable, and that was one of

1155
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Speaker 9: the factors I think that led to so much disbelief

1156
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Speaker 9: about the vaccines, and even if the covid itself was

1157
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Speaker 9: a real virus as opposed to just a bad case.

1158
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Speaker 6: Of the flue.

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Speaker 2: We also learned too, that we had known about this

1160
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Speaker 2: the country, and those scientists and even the president as

1161
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Speaker 2: far back as two thousand and five knew about this.

1162
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Speaker 2: But again, we're one of those things where okay, well,

1163
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Speaker 2: if we know a super pandemic is coming, how do

1164
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Speaker 2: we prevent that from knowing about it or having in

1165
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,479
Speaker 2: advanced warning and what it might look like very vague

1166
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Speaker 2: at that is one thing, But doing something about what

1167
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Speaker 2: you don't know is about to happen is entirely different.

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Speaker 9: Well, that's a good part. You're referring to George W.

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Speaker 6: Bush.

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Speaker 9: President Bush. In two thousand and five, I identified the

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Speaker 9: risk of a pandemic and actually had Congress authorized seven

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Speaker 9: billion dollars for a pandemic funding. But over the next

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Speaker 9: fifteen years that got spent, you know, fighting that swine

1174
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Speaker 9: flu and ibola in Africa and other small epidemics, and

1175
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Speaker 9: there was no money left on the equipment left on

1176
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Speaker 9: the shelf. When the COVID pandemic app actually hit, Congress

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Speaker 9: never renewed those funds.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately.

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Speaker 9: That's why we had no mass, no personal protection equipment

1180
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Speaker 9: in the early stages of the pandemic.

1181
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Speaker 6: But George W.

1182
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Speaker 9: Bush, he had the insight to in two thousand and

1183
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Speaker 9: five to say, a pandemic will come eventually, we need

1184
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Speaker 9: to be prepared.

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Speaker 2: To his credit, Ron, remember that day when the president

1186
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Speaker 2: came on. President Trump came on and said, hey, we're

1187
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Speaker 2: in a global pandemic. We're going to basically shut lock

1188
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Speaker 2: things down, and he introduced Operation Warp Speed to develop

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Speaker 2: a COVID vaccine, and then all of a sudden that

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Speaker 2: became an attack on the same vaccine he wanted to develop.

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Speaker 9: Take me through that, well, I mean, it's Trump's tremendous credit.

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Speaker 9: He authorized in mayor twenty twenty, Operation web Speed to

1193
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Speaker 9: develop vaccines for COVID as quickly as possible. But the

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Speaker 9: thing that's really still not understandable is why once the

1195
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 9: vaccines became well coming out, he never really promoted them.

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Speaker 9: Every president that went to a pandemic or epidemic, like Eisenhoward,

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Speaker 9: George Gerald, Ford and Obama were the first to get

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Speaker 9: vaccinated and were very clear about their feelings about the vaccine.

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Speaker 9: President Trump didn't do that. He got vaccinated silently, with

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00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 9: no publicity and never talked about it. His one interesting

1201
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Speaker 9: data point is that during twenty twenty, President Trump issued

1202
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Speaker 9: over twelve thousand tweets. As you know, that's how he

1203
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 9: communicated with the public. Of those twelve thousand tweats, only

1204
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Speaker 9: a few more than one hundred, like a one hundred

1205
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 9: ten tweets even mentioned the word vaccine, which is astonishing

1206
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Speaker 9: to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're helping develop that, and Trump is the

1208
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: best self promoter we'll ever see, you think you would

1209
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 2: take advantage of that. What happened to the point where

1210
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: he decided not to do that? When did it become toxic?

1211
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Speaker 2: I guess for Trump to attach himself to a vaccine

1212
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Speaker 2: he put on the fast.

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Speaker 9: Rug that I can't answer. I mean, I've done a

1214
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 9: lot of research and that's really not clear why he

1215
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 9: didn't support that.

1216
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Speaker 5: More.

1217
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Speaker 9: I think that part of it was his base was

1218
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 9: turning against the lockdowns and were opening up and even

1219
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 9: declaring that the pandemic was over. As you may have

1220
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Speaker 9: read in my book, Vice President of Piss did a

1221
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 9: major Wall Street Journal editorial saying that pandemic is over,

1222
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 9: there is not a second wave. So if there's not

1223
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 9: a second wave, if the pandemic is over, what do

1224
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 9: you need a vaccine? And perhaps President Trump was supporting

1225
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 9: that viewpoint.

1226
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I get the need for a vaccine,

1227
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Speaker 2: so it doesn't happen again, Although we will see it

1228
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Speaker 2: mutate and do other things as often as the case

1229
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Speaker 2: when it comes to viruses, But relative to the lockdowns themselves,

1230
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Speaker 2: it became pretty clear after a period of time. Initially,

1231
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: I think most Americans are like, Okay, we're going to

1232
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: lock this down, and you know, we're gonna get subside

1233
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Speaker 2: from the government, which I get because no one can

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00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: go to work.

1235
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Speaker 6: But at some point it big game clear.

1236
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: There wasn't gonna be the big second wave, and yet

1237
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: we continue doing Now, how look at Biden's policy of

1238
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: continued to hand up COVID relief money long after the

1239
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: long after COVID wasn't a problem.

1240
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and of course it led to a tremendous inflation

1241
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 9: inflationary wave we're still suffering from.

1242
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: That's true.

1243
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 9: But no, the as I'm sure you know, there was

1244
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 9: a second wave of the COVID starting in November of

1245
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 9: twenty twenty that was even more deady than.

1246
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: The first wave.

1247
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Speaker 9: And part of the problem was that virus was mutating

1248
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 9: through different strains, through six different strains in the last

1249
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 9: five years, and we had a hard time chasing that

1250
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 9: with vaccines. They had to be updated continually to go

1251
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 9: after the next strain, and that's one of the reasons

1252
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 9: the vaccines were not as effective as they thought they

1253
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 9: would have been. Early in twenty twenty.

1254
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Speaker 2: We also when it came to response, we didn't do well.

1255
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Speaker 2: There the a lot of confusion about the severity of

1256
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: the virus that the public health emergency was to called

1257
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: I think the last day of January twenty twenty, but

1258
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Speaker 2: everything else after that was I mean, really, the government

1259
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: once again, those people who want more government in our life,

1260
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Speaker 2: I questioned you, because look at their task with doing

1261
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: the CDC. The test kits didn't work. I remember that

1262
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: there's really no national strategy. You could certainly lay it

1263
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: on the hands of Trump, but we had infrastructure that

1264
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: was built in to make sure that that was handled

1265
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: by the CDC, FEMA. When it comes to natural disasters,

1266
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: these agencies that are tasked with making sure that when

1267
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: a major, major crisis hits were at least a little

1268
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: bit prepared. It looked like they had no game plan whatsoever,

1269
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Speaker 2: and I think that also helped to the public perception

1270
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 2: like we don't know what's going on here, why are

1271
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: we doing this?

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Speaker 9: No, that's correct, there was no game plan, although they

1273
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 9: had done significant war game planning in twenty nineteen and

1274
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 9: they didn't follow those plans that was done at the administration,

1275
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 9: and for some reason, it just was an area of

1276
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 9: total confusion with the federal government for the first six months.

1277
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Speaker 9: I think later on they began to get better work,

1278
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 9: but the first six months were very confusing. Of course,

1279
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 9: it was a movie target that was part of the problems,

1280
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 9: and people lost faith. People lost faith in what they

1281
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 9: were hearing from the CDC in the federal government.

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Speaker 2: Well, the mixed messages. I think Fauci had a very

1283
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: interesting role on this. I think come to the conclusion

1284
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: most well. I think if you're on the right, you

1285
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: absolutely despise Fauci. I'm not sure where those progressives and

1286
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: LUNs of the left stand. What's his legacy.

1287
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Speaker 9: Well, I think time's going to have to sort that

1288
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 9: out my opinion, which may not be a PARTA. And

1289
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Speaker 9: I think Fauci was made a bit of a scapegoat personally,

1290
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 9: and we'll let the historians up later on sort that out.

1291
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Speaker 9: He made a lot of mistakes. He should have gotten

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Speaker 9: a good public relations course before he'd been talking to

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Speaker 9: two hnd and thirty million Americans about things that could

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Speaker 9: affect their lives. So he talked way too much off

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Speaker 9: the cuff and confused people. But I don't think he

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Speaker 9: was malicious intentionally as some people believe, and I don't

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Speaker 9: believe he should be jailed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at him and as soon as a

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Speaker 2: character because he is a doctor, but I think he

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Speaker 2: more of a policy You're a politician at that point too,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's the thing. You look at someone

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Speaker 2: always a physician, you know, as you're talking about it's

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Speaker 2: different when you become a political being. That all goes

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Speaker 2: by the wayside. I don't care if you're a doctor

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Speaker 2: or a general.

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Speaker 9: Well, that is certainly true. And he had been in

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Speaker 9: the government, as you know him for forty years, so

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Speaker 9: he had become mighty politicized. He was a political character

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Speaker 9: and he tended to behave that way. But I think

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Speaker 9: most of the fact that he just was he saw

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Speaker 9: himself as a public health official, and that was all

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Speaker 9: he worried about. Effect on the economy, the effect on

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Speaker 9: jobs and businesses. That was all secondary as opposed to

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Speaker 9: his view of trying to protect every possible life. Honestly,

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Speaker 9: that was where I believe he was coming from.

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Speaker 2: Ron Gerner's on the show COVID wars America struggle of

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Speaker 2: a public health and personal freedom. He's not a politician,

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Speaker 2: he's not a physician. He is a historian. And it's

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Speaker 2: always interesting seeing historical perspective on things like this to

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Speaker 2: change our live and certainly a seminal moment in our

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Speaker 2: lives was five years ago when we had the COVID outbreak.

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Speaker 2: Hot was handled mishandled in some cases, although at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, the fact that they developed that

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Speaker 2: vaccine in such record time is something else. There's still

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Speaker 2: people say, well, the vaccine is killing people, it's not

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Speaker 2: the virus. And I got friends that believe that the

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Speaker 2: facts that the virus didn't exist at all. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you get so many different alternate forms of reality out

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Speaker 2: there competing in the space of I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 2: of common sense, but of science. That's that's really the

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Speaker 2: problem here. I think social media added so much more

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Speaker 2: to this h and made it more detrimental than necessary.

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Speaker 9: Well that's the true now the advice I give to

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Speaker 9: people then they asked me what should we turn to

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Speaker 9: if this happens again. What the advice I give is

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Speaker 9: that we've got We're blessed in the United States with

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Speaker 9: some of the best medical institutions in the world. We

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Speaker 9: have the Male Clinic, for example, in Minnesota, Massachusetts, General Boston, Stanford,

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Speaker 9: and California Cleveland Clinic all over the country. So if

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Speaker 9: you don't trust the government, and that's understandable, then I

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Speaker 9: would go to those top medical institutions and take their

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Speaker 9: advice and follow it. So if they say the vaccines

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Speaker 9: work and a minimal in terms of risk, didn't trust

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Speaker 9: that because they're the best institutions in the world and

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Speaker 9: I believe they'll be honest with their medical advice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are people don't distrust them as well

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Speaker 2: because they see it as an extension of Anthony Fauci

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Speaker 2: that they're just simply not going to believe. You know,

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Speaker 2: we had a lady here in Ohio as an example.

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Speaker 2: I don't she was a doctor. I'm a physician, I forget,

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Speaker 2: but she said the VACU She's the lady who said

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Speaker 2: the vaccines were causing her body to become magnetic and

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Speaker 2: put a spoon on her nose that didn't stick during

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Speaker 2: testimony at the state House. But it became a meme obviously,

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Speaker 2: because you know, the vaccine's not making you magnetized.

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Speaker 9: Well, I discussed her in my book. I do have

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Speaker 9: that there's a couple of pages discussing her in her

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Speaker 9: testimony before the Ohio one of the commissions there. But no,

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Speaker 9: I don't think Anthony Fauci has enough political power to

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Speaker 9: affect the Male Clinic, which has been around her seventy

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Speaker 9: five years, or Massa Chuttus General, which is just as older.

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Speaker 9: These tough top hospitals, I mean, they are independent, private

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Speaker 9: organizations and they're going to do what they think is

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Speaker 9: right for their for their patients, and so I think

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Speaker 9: they're absolutely trustworthy. They made be wrong occasional because they

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Speaker 9: had they interpret the data wrong, but they're trustworthy and

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Speaker 9: in terms of trying to be honest with their opinions.

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Speaker 2: I agree on those sources. I also trust my physician.

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Speaker 2: And if you have a good relationship with your general

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Speaker 2: practitioner and you mainly see them once or twice a year,

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Speaker 2: as I do, maybe see them more often, and you

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Speaker 2: like that person, that'd be the one I asked, because

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Speaker 2: they know you and they know your conditions, and you

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Speaker 2: know I would think your values and also that is

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Speaker 2: in line with them, and so that would be my

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Speaker 2: go to resource. Hey, what should I do Should I

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Speaker 2: get the vaccine? I was told, yeah, absolutely, get the vaccine.

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Speaker 2: I did, got the first booster, and after that they're like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you're probably pretty good for a while. Don't worry about it,

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Speaker 2: and so here and here. I am never really suffered

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Speaker 2: too badly from COVID maybe other stuff. The flu, that's

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Speaker 2: a different story entirely. How do you explain the medical

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Speaker 2: equipment shortage that was also part of the plot, We're

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Speaker 2: going to kill Americans here because we don't have enough PPE.

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Speaker 2: I'd contend that we didn't see this coming and it came,

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Speaker 2: and you don't. You don't we eat PPE and masks

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Speaker 2: and gowns and all that stuff For an event like this,

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Speaker 2: you know, you got to get caught up. And with

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Speaker 2: industry being shut down supply chains, that also added to it.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you have all this stuff laying around

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Speaker 2: ready to go in the event you had some unforeseen

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Speaker 2: virus breakout.

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Speaker 9: Well, that was George Bush's objective. I mean, he spent

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Speaker 9: seven billion dollars to buy PPE and masks and all

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Speaker 9: kinds of equipment for handing a pandemic, and then that

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Speaker 9: got used in three specific incidents in the next fifteen years,

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Speaker 9: and Congress never reapproved funds. Obama tried to after Ibula.

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Speaker 9: Obama tried his best to get those funds replenished or

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Speaker 9: at least partially replenished, and we were in sequestration cutting budgets,

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Speaker 9: and that money never got funded. So PPE never got funded,

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Speaker 9: and those shelves were empty when Trump came on board,

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Speaker 9: like he said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't. We used it, never bothered

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Speaker 2: replenishing it because oh well, we're good.

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Speaker 3: We got an.

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Speaker 2: Unlimited supply of this, and we really didn't. I think

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Speaker 2: the thing that's emitted for most Americans, too, Ronald, was

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Speaker 2: when you know, you saw folks in nursing homes that

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Speaker 2: couldn't have contact with anyone from the outside world except

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Speaker 2: you know, their nurse would be on loading dock, smoking

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Speaker 2: a cigarette and hanging out with people and then go

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Speaker 2: back and treat your love, and meanwhile you can't make

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Speaker 2: contact with them. And of course they saw people being

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Speaker 2: hauled out in body bag from them same kind of

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Speaker 2: facilities that those images there. I think that really stuck

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Speaker 2: with Americans, and not in a good way.

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Speaker 9: I think that that may well have been an overreaction.

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Speaker 9: Thank you point out I'm not a position, but I

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01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 9: think that they surely could have found a way when

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Speaker 9: people were passing on their family and elders could see

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Speaker 9: them in their last moments or before, you know, shortly

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Speaker 9: before that, there must have been a way of doing that.

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Speaker 9: If nothing else, they would get completely dressed up in

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Speaker 9: PPN wear masks as opposed to doing that over a

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Speaker 9: zoom call.

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Speaker 6: I think we've learned from that, hopefully. Yeah, and just

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Speaker 6: so much.

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Speaker 2: You know, the misinformation out there was certainly a cause

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Speaker 2: of this thing, no doubt about it. But when this

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Speaker 2: thing came down pretty clearly the political divides and it

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Speaker 2: was politics over science. What surprised you the most is

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Speaker 2: in your recent about that divide and about that part

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Speaker 2: of level partisanship.

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Speaker 9: Well, it surprised me is that politicians supported it. Just

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Speaker 9: in my opinion, they weren't necessarily representing the interests of

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Speaker 9: their constituents in terms of their health. And I'm ashamed

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Speaker 9: to say this, but there's a huge difference in death

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Speaker 9: rates between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats tended to open their

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Speaker 9: schools more slowly, in the communities more slowly, and were

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Speaker 9: much more highly vaccinated as opposed to Republicans who had

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Speaker 9: much much lower vaccination rates which affected death rates, and

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Speaker 9: the data is all in my book, which is just

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Speaker 9: a tragedy.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I would say Florida seemed to do. Everyone

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Speaker 2: pointed to Florida's being while we opened back up, we

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Speaker 2: didn't lock stuff down, and then we were fine.

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Speaker 9: Well, Florida had slightly below average death rates, so that's true.

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Speaker 9: I mean that they were fine. But in terms of

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Speaker 9: the states that were you can compare what I can

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Speaker 9: have a strong comparison between Vermont and Florida. Vermont's got

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Speaker 9: a sniffeting out of population in Florida, which is surprises,

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Speaker 9: as does Maine. Yet they had death rates compared to Florida,

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Speaker 9: roughly one third the death rate of Florida. So there's

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Speaker 9: a lot of interesting comparisons that are yet to be

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Speaker 9: done to understand what actually happened.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we'll ever have a total grasp of

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Speaker 2: what occurred and why?

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Speaker 9: I think eventually I think that data would come out,

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01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,879
Speaker 9: but it may take a couple of generations. It's interesting,

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Speaker 9: Scott that the first really in depth analysis of the

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Speaker 9: nineteen eighteen Spanish fluid didn't come out until nineteen seventy eight,

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Speaker 9: almost fifty years later, and that was what motivated being

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Speaker 9: right in my book COVID Wars to try to get

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Speaker 9: a solid history of what happened much much sooner.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if that actually worked.

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Speaker 2: And the final point is as a historian, Ronald, do

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Speaker 2: we ever learn from this? I say no, we never

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Speaker 2: ever ever learn.

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Speaker 9: Well, that's funny, a realistic view, but I like to

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Speaker 9: think of myself as optimistic. I think over time, I think, Scott,

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Speaker 9: when the emotion washes away. There's so much emotion right now,

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Speaker 9: when that washes away, and what's left to the facts

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Speaker 9: that people do look at and come get some conclusions. Yes,

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Speaker 9: I think we'll learn from this.

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Speaker 2: It's Ronald Gruin a COVID Wars, America struggle or a

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Speaker 2: public health and personal freedom. He's a historian, so not

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Speaker 2: a political book or a medical book, but rather from

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: a historical perspective on this, which I love.

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Speaker 6: Ronald all the best, Thanks again.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, good chatting with you.

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Speaker 2: Seconds away from news on seven hundred WW then we return.

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Speaker 2: If you get that hot libertarian streak and you're like me,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna like this one. We've talked about this in

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Speaker 2: the past. And it looks like maybe it's coming to

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Speaker 2: a head. Finally, you're not sure. Bob All from Buckeye

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Speaker 2: Institute on an Ohio man facing prison because he makes

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Speaker 2: his own alcohol. You can make pretty much everything else

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Speaker 2: as long as you consume it in your own household,

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Speaker 2: whether it's beer, wine, you know, vegetable garden, bakery at

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Speaker 2: whatever federal law says. You cannot make your own alcohol.

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Speaker 2: You cannot distill a beverage. Otherwise you're looking at five

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Speaker 2: years in prison. Whiskey tango, foxtrot. We'll get that next

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WW Do.

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Speaker 1: You want to be American? Good?

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Speaker 2: Marty Scott Flows Show on seven hundred w W question,

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Speaker 2: would you be willing to go to prison for your hobby?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 2: Unless your hobby is being a Bengals, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to go down. That's a little dark. But your hobby

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Speaker 2: guy's name is James Reem, and mister Reem lives in Newark,

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Speaker 2: Ohio's up the road from us, and he wants to

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Speaker 2: distill small qualities of alcohol. He likes bourbon, he likes rye,

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Speaker 2: he likes whiskey, and he has fascination with brewing. Owns

1504
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 2: a bur mini broad microbur as a matter of fact,

1505
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: and he wants to make some alcohol own home for

1506
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 2: his personal consumption. If he decides he's going to do that,

1507
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: he is subject to felony conviction ten thousand dollars in fines.

1508
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 2: We're talking about five years in prison, longer than a

1509
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 2: murderer might get, simply because he is making his own

1510
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: distilling his own alcohol in his own home for his

1511
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: own use, not giving it away, certainly, not selling it,

1512
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: but of his own use. That is a crime in America,

1513
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 2: and I think that is a crime overall. Robert Alt

1514
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 2: is President and chief executive officer of the Buckeye Institute

1515
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 2: in Columbus, where they have taken up this case im

1516
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: and fighting for James Rimm for a while. Robert, Welcome

1517
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: to sunny Cincinnati, which I think. I think you're warmer

1518
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,440
Speaker 2: today than we are here in Cincinnati.

1519
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1520
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 8: No, I think we're enjoying a balmy couple degrees warmer

1521
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 8: than you.

1522
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1523
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bald met too. Civil Ohio. This time let's

1524
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 2: look warmer than it was yesterday. Let's talk about John

1525
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 2: Reams case here. He lives in Newark, Ohio, retired engineer,

1526
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: I think, and he owns a micro brewery, and his

1527
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 2: wife said, well, you know what, here, here you go.

1528
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 2: Here's a home brewing kid. He does that making money.

1529
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 2: It's great. It's called truck brewing, by the way. And

1530
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 2: now want to get into home distilling. Why is that illegal?

1531
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 2: That's a darn good question. And the answer is, there's

1532
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: a there is a law.

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01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 6: On the book.

1534
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 8: This is a federal law. This isn't the state law

1535
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 8: which prohibits you from distilling any alcohol for sumption in

1536
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 8: your own home, even if you don't sell it, even

1537
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 8: if you're just doing it as a hobby. So you

1538
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 8: can you can make beer in your own home. That's

1539
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 8: perfectly legal. You commit find in your own home. I

1540
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 8: don't necessarily advise it. I don't know if I've ever

1541
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 8: had good homemade one.

1542
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 6: But you can do it.

1543
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 8: But if you make any amount of whiskey, it's a felony.

1544
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 8: And not only you lifted off these penalties. On the

1545
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 8: website for the enforcement agency, they make clear not only

1546
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 8: can you get fined, not only can you get imprisonment imprisonment,

1547
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 8: but they'll go after your house, They'll go after wherever

1548
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 8: it is that you were engaging in this unlawful conduct.

1549
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 8: And potentially try and seize that as well. The penalties

1550
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 8: here are absolutely draconian. But the real issue here is

1551
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 8: how is it that the federal government has the authority

1552
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 8: to go ahead and regulate what you do in your

1553
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 8: own home as a hobby. If they can regulate this,

1554
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 8: there's literally nothing that the federal government can't regulate.

1555
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 2: It's a victim of crime. Now, if you sell it

1556
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 2: distributed to get maybe something there. But if you make something,

1557
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: whether it's alcohol, whether it's bread, whether it's a pie,

1558
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 2: then the only person you're gonna harm is yourself if

1559
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 2: you get it wrong. Does this law let's go back

1560
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 2: in history, is this Does this stem from prohibition when

1561
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: people were literally poisoning others but with things like bestub gin?

1562
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 8: This actually the law I believe actually predates prohibition. But

1563
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 8: you know, if we're concerned about regulating the production of

1564
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 8: alcohol for public safety, you know who's actually really good

1565
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 8: at do it at handling these sourtces of regulations are

1566
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 8: the states, and in fact the Constitution of the under

1567
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 8: the twenty first Amendment, the states have you know, special

1568
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 8: authority to regulate in this space. And if you take

1569
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 8: a look, I mean Ohio regulates in this space. But

1570
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 8: Ohio actually doesn't have any prohibition on home distilling. There

1571
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 8: are some states that do in addition to the federal government,

1572
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 8: but Ohio doesn't, And so there's really just no purpose

1573
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 8: for this law.

1574
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 2: You know, maybe there was a time where people would

1575
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: get sick in poison and maybe that stems from this,

1576
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: but now it just reaks a protection because we have science.

1577
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 2: You know, you could learn how to do anything really

1578
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: in the comfort of your own home, if you're going

1579
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 2: to use it for your own consumption or if you're

1580
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 2: you know, if you're a neighbor like, hey, I'd like

1581
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: to try some of your whiskey. As long as money's

1582
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,759
Speaker 2: not changing hands, there's no violation. But if he wanted

1583
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: to do this, would he then have to go through

1584
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 2: the process of getting a federal license?

1585
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 6: And what does that look like?

1586
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 8: So he would have to get a federal license, he's

1587
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 8: actually lawfully prohibited under the statute. It is not permissible

1588
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 8: to distill in your own home, and the statue is

1589
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 8: written in a very bizarre fashion. If you happen to

1590
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 8: have a large piece of property and potentially had a

1591
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 8: shanty way out in the woods, perhaps that would be lawful.

1592
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 8: But if you're trying to do so where most people

1593
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 8: are going to actually try and engage in this, if

1594
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 8: they're doing as a hobby, you know, in your own home,

1595
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 8: say in your basement or in your garage, that you

1596
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 8: can't get a permit.

1597
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 6: To do that.

1598
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 8: And if you if you engage in distilling without a permit,

1599
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 8: that will rack you up felony felony charges. As I

1600
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 8: go to this, the big question here is, you know,

1601
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 8: you take a look and you would ask the question,

1602
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 8: how is it that Congress has the authority to regulate this?

1603
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 8: To begin with, Congress only has limited and enumerated powers

1604
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 8: on the Constitution. They can't just regulate anything willy nilly.

1605
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 8: And so the big claim that they make here is

1606
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 8: that they're regulating interstate commerce. But this is a situation

1607
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 8: in which they're regulating something which is neither commerce nor

1608
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 8: interstate I mean literally, what's happening in the confines of

1609
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 8: your own home. If they can regulate this, they could

1610
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 8: regulate bread baking, they could regulate your having a home garden.

1611
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 8: It really doesn't matter how local, how non commercial it is,

1612
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 8: it would be within the ambit of congressional regulation. And

1613
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 8: that's just not what the Constitution said, yeah.

1614
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 6: Not at all.

1615
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 2: And if you're selling it, different story. There's no commerce

1616
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 2: going on here, so you said interstate commerce, but there's

1617
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 2: no commercial enterprise.

1618
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,440
Speaker 6: Doesn't it fail that test? Absolutely?

1619
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 8: And to the extent The interesting thing here is to

1620
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 8: the extent that there are some court decisions that have

1621
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 8: had more expansive interpretations of what that means. Congress still

1622
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 8: has to be regulating the interstate market. It has to

1623
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 8: be necessary and proper to regulate the non commercial market.

1624
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 8: In this particular case, the home distilling prohibition, it's not

1625
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 8: regulating an interstate market. This really is getting to non

1626
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 8: commercial activity.

1627
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 2: Okay. The argument from the government on this one basically

1628
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 2: is it's the reason why this is prohibited. It's uniquely dangerous.

1629
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 2: Unlike home bread baking or vegetable gardening or whatever it

1630
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 2: might be. No, no one's died. People may die if

1631
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 2: you don't do this right. It probably could say the

1632
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 2: same thing about beer or wine. I suppose taste good,

1633
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: and it's why, but someone can get sick and die

1634
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 2: from a poorly made homemade whiskey. However, I would say,

1635
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 2: if you grow vegetables and you have a surplus of vegetables,

1636
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people like the can my mom used

1637
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: to do to make your own pickles and put up

1638
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: tomatoes and stuff like that as well. I'm sure it's

1639
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: very rare, But what about food born botulism? What about

1640
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: food borne illnesses from poor canning techniques? If I gave

1641
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 2: my neighbor a can of i don't know, pickled beets

1642
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 2: or something like that, and it turns out that I

1643
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: didn't do it right they got sick and died, how

1644
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: much How is that any more dangerous than we're talking

1645
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: about here.

1646
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 8: Well, and here's the other thing. Ultimately, that doesn't give

1647
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 8: the federal government anymore authority. The fact that they may

1648
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 8: come up with, you know, and they really haven't crossed

1649
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 8: too hard on the health rationale. But even if they do,

1650
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 8: there isn't a general protect health clause in the US Constitution.

1651
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 8: They're protecting health and welfare that is traditionally a set

1652
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 8: of powers which belongs to the state. And so if

1653
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 8: we're concerned about that, the states have the ability, they

1654
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 8: have the authority, and they do regulate actively in that space.

1655
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 8: And so if that's our concern, there are other governmental

1656
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 8: eneities that can do that. The fact that the federal

1657
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 8: government might be able to point to some justification that

1658
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 8: doesn't create a fount of new power for them.

1659
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 2: He is a Robert Ohl, President CEO of the Buckeye Institute.

1660
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 2: Interesting story about your hobbies. Guy named James Reem and

1661
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 2: New York, new not New York, Newark, Ohio. He wants

1662
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 2: to sell small quantities of alcohols on home, make his

1663
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 2: own whiskey, basically for his own personal consumption, not for distribution,

1664
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 2: not for given away, just because he's into it. That's

1665
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 2: his hobby. If he does that, though, he's looking at

1666
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: five years in prison, He's looking at a felony conviction

1667
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 2: and up to ten thousand dollars in fines just for

1668
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 2: creating alcohol for his own use. We allow home brewing

1669
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 2: with a home wine making and a whole bunch of

1670
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 2: other things you can do in your house. Why is

1671
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: alcohol so dangerous that you need a federal exemption and

1672
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 2: a license in order to do it? That is the

1673
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 2: argument before the court, and the Buckeye Institute is leaning

1674
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 2: into it that as a friend of the court and

1675
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 2: a friend of mister Reim. And he's on the show

1676
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: this morning to discuss here on seven hundred WLW. You

1677
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 2: know you mentioned earlier about Article one and the authority

1678
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,879
Speaker 2: to criminalize home distilling. If you go back to prohibition,

1679
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: the federal government needed the eighteenth Amendment to ban alcohol

1680
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: production and consumption. Does that show that Congress lacks the

1681
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 2: authority to criminalize home distilling?

1682
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 8: You know, I think this goes to, yes, the limitations

1683
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 8: on government power, the fact that you couldn't just simply

1684
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 8: have Congress go ahead and restrict it across the board.

1685
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 8: You needed a constitutional amendment to actually get to a

1686
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 8: flat prohibition broadly.

1687
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 6: On this.

1688
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 8: And if you take a look in this particular case,

1689
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 8: I mean, the other argument that they make in this

1690
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 8: case is that it's somehow necessary to the taxing power.

1691
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 8: But it's it's interesting in this case, producing alcohol is

1692
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 8: potentially subject to an excise tax, but the prohibition actually

1693
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 8: prevents the federal government from collecting any tax. As we've

1694
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 8: said in this case, and we actually not just a

1695
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 8: friend of the court, we directly represent mister Reem in

1696
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 8: this particular case, mister Reim would be willing to pay

1697
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 8: a tax on producing the alcohol, uh, if they would

1698
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 8: just let him actually produce the alcohol for his own consumption.

1699
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 8: So the interestly that oddly the federal government is preventing

1700
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 8: itself from getting the tax revenue.

1701
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 2: I mean, what would cost for a LICEI. I'd imagine

1702
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 2: it's a lot of them. It's like a federal firearms

1703
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 2: later to distribute firearms or something like that. It's it's

1704
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: exceptionally expensive to do that. Yeah. I look at this

1705
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 2: and it's like the same thing. And this guy's willing

1706
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 2: to do it to pay the tax, and they still

1707
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 2: won't let them. There's no, there's no, that's unreasonable. I

1708
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 2: guess that's a great exist I think that's a helpful

1709
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 2: illustration for your case.

1710
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 6: Don't you.

1711
01:20:59,160 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 8: Oh?

1712
01:20:59,320 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 6: Absolutely?

1713
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: Uh?

1714
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 8: Well, and you know, we we just had oral arguments

1715
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 8: down there in Cincinnati last week before the Sixth Circuit

1716
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 8: Court Appeals and I'll tell you it was I felt

1717
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 8: like it was. It was a bad day to be

1718
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 8: the federal government's attorney. The the the the government actually

1719
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 8: had tried to just argue a very narrow set of

1720
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 8: issues in the briefs. The court asked the government to

1721
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 8: be ready to discuss the constitutional arguments beyond the narrow

1722
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 8: standing arguments. Uh and the government essentially refused to do so.

1723
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 6: So the court.

1724
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 8: The court was none to please there was some test

1725
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 8: the exchanges, and the court actually went ahead and sent

1726
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 8: an additional order to the government to provide additional briefing

1727
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 8: responding to the Bakay Institute and mister Reems constitutional clients.

1728
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: I'm not an attorney. I'm a simple layperson with a

1729
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: simple mind. But I would read that as they don't

1730
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: even have an argument as to why this is the law.

1731
01:21:58,800 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 6: That's what it sounds like.

1732
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 8: Well, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see what We'll

1733
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 8: see what they come up with. But but suffice it

1734
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 8: to say it was it was. It was a better

1735
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 8: day to be representing mister Reeve. I'll leave it at that.

1736
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the question would be is if their

1737
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 2: job is to enforce the law and fight for the

1738
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 2: law in this case and they can't even come with

1739
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: a reason why making your own alcohol for your own

1740
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 2: consumption and your home is illegal, is that indicator that

1741
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: the state should just give up?

1742
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 8: Well yeah, again, as someone who's arguing on behalf of

1743
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 8: mister rehim, I will say, I don't think that the

1744
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 8: government should be regulating in this space. I don't think

1745
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 8: they've been able to articulate a good reason. You've actually

1746
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 8: articulated stronger reasons for why it is that they might

1747
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 8: be able to regulate in this space I think than

1748
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 8: the government has.

1749
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 2: That's that's frightening. Either I'm in the wrong place or

1750
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 2: the government's really stupid. Anyway, Bob Alti is here, President,

1751
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 2: Robert Hall, President, chief executive for the Buckeye Institute. So

1752
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: what's next before the Sixth Circuit? It sounds to me

1753
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 2: like and you never can read the tea leaves when

1754
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: it comes to court and a judge obviously or judges obviously,

1755
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: but it sounds like they're going to side with you.

1756
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: What happens if that's the case, and moving forward?

1757
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 8: Well, right now, the government actually has a brief due

1758
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 8: next month. The court has given us a very short

1759
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 8: one week time to respond to that brief. If the

1760
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 8: Sixth Circuit were to rule in our favor, as we

1761
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:33,919
Speaker 8: hope that it does, presumably at that point the government

1762
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 8: might appeal the case to the US Supreme Court. So

1763
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 8: we will see. But I have a feeling that whoever

1764
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 8: loses this case, it's likely to keep on going up

1765
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 8: through the courts, and the next stop would be the

1766
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 8: Supreme Court.

1767
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: You recall, there's an argument in all your years as

1768
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 2: an attorney in studying the law, Robert, that there's been

1769
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 2: an instance where the government has no solid reasons to

1770
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 2: watch something as banned or is the law, and yet

1771
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: they continue to fight for keeping the status quoe.

1772
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 3: Why is that?

1773
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: If they represent the people and it's in the people's

1774
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: best interest, going, yeah, I mean maybe there's a time

1775
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: in America where we needed that, but clearly that time

1776
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 2: has passed, especially when you look at the deregulation of

1777
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 2: things like marijuana for example, and guess what, you know,

1778
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: gay marriage, whatever it might be. You know, the earth

1779
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: is still spinning and we're just fine despite all of

1780
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 2: these horrible things going to destroy the fabric of our

1781
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 2: country and our makeup, and yet we continue to march

1782
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 2: on forward. Alcohol home home distilling of alcohol seems to

1783
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: fit into that category as well. So, if they represent

1784
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: the people and are fighting for the people, because that's

1785
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: the state the people versus in this particular case, why

1786
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: they continue to fight.

1787
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 8: For this, you know, that is an excellent question, and

1788
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 8: it's one that uh, you know, at times I do

1789
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 8: think sometimes the government just you know, there there is

1790
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 8: this there is a practice within the Justice Department to

1791
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 8: defend any statute that's on the book, so long as

1792
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 8: there's any conceivable legal justification for doing so. You know,

1793
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 8: and and I this is this is the policy, regardless

1794
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 8: of who the administration is. But this is one of

1795
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 8: those cases of that I think really makes you scratch

1796
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 8: your head as to why is it that we're spending

1797
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 8: government resources to defend a statute that really doesn't serve

1798
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 8: any good purpose and for which the government really, you know,

1799
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 8: lacks the authority to have regulated here to begin with.

1800
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: If you start distributing this stuff and selling it, we

1801
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 2: know that, you know, there will be federal agents. It'll

1802
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 2: be breathing down in your act, and you're facing rightly

1803
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: so stiff finds penalties, jail time if you're selling and

1804
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 2: distributing your alcohol. We have a law in Ohio that

1805
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 2: says I can grow up to you know, twelve pot

1806
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 2: plants and do with it what I believe. And yet

1807
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 2: somehow home distilling is is.

1808
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 6: Something worth fighting for.

1809
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,759
Speaker 2: It makes this argument makes no sense whatsoever, which tells

1810
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: me this argument will continue to go on for years

1811
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 2: to come.

1812
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, sometimes it seems like the things that are the

1813
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 8: most common sensical those are the things that are the

1814
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,919
Speaker 8: hardest to actually succeed on in government.

1815
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,719
Speaker 2: This is what we're fighting for. Robert All, President, CEO

1816
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 2: of the Buckeye Institute, representing James Reim out of Newark, Ohio.

1817
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 2: I'm definitely on team Alt and Tim Reem. Thanks again

1818
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 2: for the time, Robert, Thanks for having me appreciate it

1819
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 2: all the best. It's maddening and think of like, Okay, well,

1820
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 2: these are government employees that work for us, and they're

1821
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: supposed to protect our interests. Why is fighting against and

1822
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 2: spending millions of dollars trying to prevent a guy from

1823
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 2: making his own alcohol and his own home for his

1824
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 2: own consumption worth all of that effort, one may ask.

1825
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 2: It's a good question, and that is the core problem

1826
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: with our government. Scott Flums Show seven hundred WW.

1827
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 10: Time to talk about money, how to make it, how

1828
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 10: to keep it, and how to keep others off your stack.

1829
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 10: This is all worth advice with Andy Schaeffer Andrew.

1830
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 6: Good morning, has life.

1831
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 3: Everything's great, Scott, how are you doing?

1832
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 2: Everything is fine? Thanks for asking. We will jump right

1833
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 2: in this morning. We've got some job numbers, who've got

1834
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 2: retail sales numbers coming out earlier this morning, and I'll

1835
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 2: begin with something I saw. I always love throwing a

1836
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 2: curveball as the first pitch. Here Ford an ounce there,

1837
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 2: discontinuing the much hyped but very slow selling electric pickup truck,

1838
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 2: the F one fifty Lightning. I remember a couple of

1839
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 2: years ago in to KM and they rolled this thing out.

1840
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 2: I'm like looking at it, going, look, i'd drive a

1841
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 2: I have a two fifty service truck for you know,

1842
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 2: with all my remodeling and rentals and all that stuff.

1843
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 6: I got my tools in.

1844
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: I look at that going on, how many contractors are going, wow,

1845
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: I really need to be an electric truck now. The Tesla,

1846
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 2: I guess that pick up sells fairly well, but again

1847
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: that's more of a vanity, you know, luxury kind of thing.

1848
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 2: If you're driving at one fifty, two, fifty, three, fifty,

1849
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you're looking at that going yeah, for

1850
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 2: what I haul, the battery ain't gonna make it work now. Granted,

1851
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 2: F one fifties, you know, the entry level regular passenger

1852
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 2: pickup truck not sarily a work truck, but it's a

1853
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 2: big best selling pickup truck of all time. And I

1854
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: think the lesson there, correct me if I'm wrong, is

1855
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 2: that when the government decides, hey, we're going to have

1856
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: to mandate and push these cars because this is what

1857
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 2: we want, not what the consumer wants. You're gonna wind

1858
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 2: up costing everyone billions of dollars automobile companies like Ford

1859
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 2: and the rest, because we the consumer eventually pay for

1860
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 2: those mistakes.

1861
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was really no surprise to me.

1862
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 11: I did see the headlines on it, but I haven't

1863
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 11: had a chance to dive in too deep to it.

1864
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 11: But I did notice that, you know, they were ending

1865
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 11: the production of the all electric F one fifty lightning,

1866
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 11: you know, over the next few weeks. And I don't

1867
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 11: think it's really much of a shock if you've been

1868
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 11: watching the market shifts since the elimination of the seventy

1869
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 11: five hundred dollars federal ev instead of this year, right,

1870
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 11: And so that's the big thing, and that's starting to

1871
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 11: decrease demand. You know, Ford's shifting more to higher return opportunities,

1872
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 11: you know, more I would say, hybrid trucks and vans

1873
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 11: and that.

1874
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 3: So it's it's not.

1875
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 11: That Ford doesn't understand that, you know the future is

1876
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 11: probably more clean energy. We all want clean energy, but

1877
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 11: you're also running a business that shareholders rely on. And

1878
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 11: if you don't see the demand in the purchase of

1879
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 11: these vehicles, you know you're gonna see some cuts that

1880
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 11: come down the pike as far as corporate decisions are

1881
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 11: being made. So this isn't really much of a surprise

1882
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 11: to me, you know, but you know, you have to

1883
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 11: figure out ways to make your company productive, and this

1884
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 11: just hasn't been very profitable for them.

1885
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, no question about it.

1886
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 2: And I look at that and necessarily not everyone who

1887
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 2: drives an F one fifty or you know, maybe two

1888
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 2: or three fifty. Our contractors will worry people who are

1889
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 2: in the trades. But you know, I think there's a

1890
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 2: certain lifestyle element to that as well, that you're going

1891
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 2: to haul stuff at some point. I just don't see

1892
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 2: that there's reliable and you know, years ago and they decided, hey,

1893
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 2: we're going to go and totally go all in on

1894
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 2: ev as opposed to hybrids, I think that's a mistake

1895
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 2: because you've got to you've got to make a transition.

1896
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 2: If we all grew up on an internal combusting engines

1897
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 2: and you're trying to get off that, okay, but the

1898
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: hybrid engine where you have gas or diesel as a

1899
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: backup and then the battery kicks in and you can

1900
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 2: get you know, you know, seventy to one hundred miles

1901
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 2: a gallon. Who doesn't like that, Who doesn't like saving

1902
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 2: money in that regard and the costs built into the

1903
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 2: truck maybe a little bit more, but you're getting money

1904
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 2: back as opposed to just a straight electric vehicle that

1905
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 2: you have to charge. There's no backup plan there, and

1906
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 2: I think that that's a turn off for a lot

1907
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 2: of people. And the government was way over aggressive with

1908
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,919
Speaker 2: stressing going from internal combustion to straight battery.

1909
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I think you make a good point there, Scott.

1910
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 11: I think a lot of it does have to do

1911
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 11: with lifestyle. You know, I live out in the country

1912
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 11: outside of Cincinnati, and most of the workers all have

1913
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 11: pickup trucks up here.

1914
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 3: They need for their job.

1915
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 11: They need to all not only tools, equipment materials, and

1916
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 11: needs to start when they need it to start. You know,

1917
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 11: my father in law has a electric vehicle and he

1918
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 11: has an issue with his battery right now. Well, he

1919
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 11: was explaining to me how expensive it is to get

1920
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 11: a battery replaced in one of the cars. And so,

1921
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,879
Speaker 11: you know, as far as your comments about the lifestyle.

1922
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,719
Speaker 11: I think, you know, the electric vehicles make more sense

1923
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 11: for smaller sedans and things like that to where you're

1924
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,799
Speaker 11: you're traveling to and from work as opposed to hauling

1925
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 11: major materials for your everyday blue collar job. And so,

1926
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 11: you know, the market has shifted. We've seen players like

1927
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 11: Honda hedging its best with assembly lines capable of multi

1928
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 11: multiple power plants. Tariffs have played a role into this

1929
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 11: as well, and that you know, manufacturers have been forced

1930
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 11: to rethink some of these long term strategies on the

1931
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 11: EV side. And I think we're going to see just

1932
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 11: you know, in the into the future on this.

1933
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and it's not like people in the train.

1934
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 2: I hate this one as well because you know, knuckle draggers. Again,

1935
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 2: you diminish an entire group of people. And I'll fight

1936
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 2: tooth and dog tooth and nil for contractors because that's

1937
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 2: my line of work. Is that you know, Okay, well,

1938
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 2: I have a diesel truck, but all my tools, almost

1939
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 2: all my tools are battery operated. It's not like we're

1940
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 2: afraid of batteries or you know what. You know, you

1941
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 2: can go and get a i don't know, like a

1942
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 2: miosot chop saw and run trim and casing and crown

1943
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 2: welding all day long on one battery. Just a few

1944
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 2: years ago you couldn't do They could do that now.

1945
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 2: So it's not like the you know, trades people don't

1946
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 2: like battery power stuf.

1947
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:00,719
Speaker 6: That's insane.

1948
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 2: It's the fact that it's just not practical and the

1949
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 2: government and the decision makers to the top never got that.

1950
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 2: Let me pivot here. We have jobs numbers, retail sales

1951
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 2: numbers coming in. Give me the goods. Yeah, they all

1952
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 2: came out at eight thirty this morning. I've been able to,

1953
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 2: you know, go into the headlines a little bit. I

1954
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 2: haven't been able to deep dive and try to look

1955
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 2: under the hood. But essentially, the jobs report were fairly tepid.

1956
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 2: We saw the unemployment rate rise to a four year

1957
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 2: high of four point six percent. The expectation was four

1958
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 2: point five. So that initially strikes me as, you know,

1959
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 2: something I need to take a look at. And so

1960
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 2: in addition to that, we saw retail sales be a

1961
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 2: little bit weaker in October as well.

1962
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 3: It's about three point five percent month over month.

1963
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Speaker 4: You know.

1964
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Speaker 11: So I think what this tells us is that we

1965
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 11: are still starting to see some cracks in the labor market.

1966
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 11: You know, we did add about ninety five thousand new

1967
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 11: jobs in October. That was way better than we saw

1968
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 11: in October of one hundred and five thousand losses of jobs.

1969
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 11: But I do think, you know, the October numbers well

1970
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,480
Speaker 11: had a lot to do with more seasonality.

1971
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 3: We still had, you know, as of October first.

1972
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 11: That's when the government furloughs, the job eliminations occurred, So

1973
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 11: I think that number was a little bit skewed. So

1974
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 11: as far as the addition of new jobs, that was

1975
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 11: a welcome site, but the four point six percent unemployment

1976
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 11: rate was.

1977
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 3: A little bit of a surprise.

1978
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 2: Okay, So sixty four thousand up, sixty four k after falling, Okay,

1979
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Speaker 2: I got it in October, still got some of those back.

1980
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Yeah, And I think you know, this this kind

1981
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,560
Speaker 11: of you know, gives kind of a blueprint for the

1982
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 11: FED moving forward. You know, we just got interest rate

1983
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 11: cuts of a quarter percent last week. You know, that

1984
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 11: puts the target range at three point five to three

1985
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 11: point seventy five percent. So that's the third straight quarter

1986
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 11: percent cut. I do think it's fairly noteworthy that there

1987
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 11: were three descents of the Federal Reserve. There were two

1988
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 11: people that wanted to keep rates where they were due

1989
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 11: to inflation uncertainties, and there was actually one of the

1990
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 11: FED members that wanted a steeper cut of a half

1991
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 11: a percent. So there is some you know, conflicting ideas

1992
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 11: about where the economy is going within the FED. But

1993
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 11: it does appear that we probably will see two more

1994
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 11: cuts into twenty twenty six as well.

1995
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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, and you know you look back at the

1996
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 2: September data and indicate that that is coming forward here too.

1997
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 2: So we're only going to two cuts in fiscal twenty

1998
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 2: twenty six.

1999
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I think you know, the announcement was one

2000
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 11: thing we expected that there was going to be a cut.

2001
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,679
Speaker 11: But again, you know, I always look at the post

2002
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 11: meeting projections by FED Chairman Poowe, and he did paint

2003
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 11: a more optimistic macro picture. He looked at raising its

2004
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 11: twenty twenty six GDP forecast to two point three percent

2005
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 11: growth from one point eight and he also reduced their

2006
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 11: twenty twenty six inflation anticipation to two point four percent

2007
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 11: from two point six percent. So you know, the FED

2008
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 11: right now does feel like moving into twenty twenty six

2009
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 11: that things are projecting in the right way. Now, we'll

2010
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 11: see what the data tells us as we move forward.

2011
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 11: But that also is in line with the fedes communication

2012
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 11: about not being in an hurry to cut rates moving forward.

2013
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 11: They want to see what the data looks like, you know,

2014
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 11: into twenty twenty six, you know, see if there's some

2015
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 11: lingering impacts of the tariffs, to see if you know,

2016
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 11: what kind of industry that we've been able to drum

2017
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 11: up from the tariffs and bringing a lot of manufacturing

2018
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 11: back to the United States. So there's still a lot

2019
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 11: to be said, but I think right now the FED

2020
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 11: feels pretty good about where they are and what the

2021
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 11: optim is for optimism is for twenty twenty six.

2022
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 2: So would you say, like the labor market, it's not collapsing,

2023
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 2: but it's kind of cooling off.

2024
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 11: It's cooling off, and that's the reason that the FED,

2025
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 11: you know, wants to keep an eye on it and

2026
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 11: is prepared to cut rates even further, you know, Fed Shairman, Powe.

2027
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 3: Excuse me, Yeah, it is very particular.

2028
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 6: Sorry, you're right, very particular about Let.

2029
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 2: Me talk for a second while you clear your throat,

2030
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 2: Andy Shaffer, is that's called a fill? Andy Shaefer is

2031
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 2: here from all Worth Financial. This show is simply Money.

2032
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 2: Theres at six o'clock on fifty five KRC weeknights, and

2033
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 2: maybe not fully tonight because Andy can't talk. Nonetheless, Andy,

2034
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 2: what do you feel like some don'nut stuck in air?

2035
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 6: What's going on?

2036
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know.

2037
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 11: I had a frog in my thur that happens, I

2038
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 11: feel But anyway, you know, Fedchhairman Power is very particular

2039
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 11: about wage growth and also the unemployment rate, and he

2040
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 11: feels like if wage growth continues to increase at a

2041
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 11: high rate, that will spurn inflation fears because people when

2042
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 11: they have more money to spend, obviously, that creates more

2043
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 11: demand and ultimately higher prices. Now, I've read a lot

2044
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 11: of economists that don't believe that is necessarily the case

2045
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 11: and take a more dubbish approach to that. But you

2046
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 11: have to understand where fed Chairman Power and his leadership,

2047
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 11: you know what they're really looking at, and one of

2048
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 11: them is the unemployment rate. The other is wage growth.

2049
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 11: And we're starting to see the unemployment rate why rise

2050
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 11: a little bit, and also.

2051
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 3: We're starting to see wage growth rise.

2052
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 11: So what that tells me is there's a good chance

2053
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 11: that we're going to see maybe even more than two

2054
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 11: percent cuts next year.

2055
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 6: Okay, gotcha.

2056
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 2: If we add a third cut next year, it's probably

2057
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,719
Speaker 2: because we're going to start to see the labor market

2058
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 2: really start cooling off, right, And we don't. It's one

2059
01:36:58,400 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 2: of those things you want to see a rate cut,

2060
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 2: but if it means that people are losing their jobs,

2061
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 2: you don't want that.

2062
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, And he wants to make sure that we continue

2063
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 11: to spurn a lot of more jobs and keep our

2064
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,600
Speaker 11: labor markets strong. So you're exactly right. Furthermore, you know

2065
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 11: when his communication and you know, after the FED announcement

2066
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 11: during the press conference, he basically said, Hey, we're seeing

2067
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 11: the trends of inflation cooling down. We do think that

2068
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 11: inflation will get down to about two point four percent

2069
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 11: next year, and we think that the effect of taris

2070
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 11: on inflation is going to be short lived. We are

2071
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 11: still seeing some lingering effects of that, but that will

2072
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 11: start to dissipate in the first part of next year

2073
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 11: and into the second quarter.

2074
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 2: Okay, Andy Schaefer from all Worth Financial. The other numbers

2075
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,759
Speaker 2: out retail sales, how we look at, Yeah.

2076
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 11: Retail sales remained pretty flat about three point five percent,

2077
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 11: not really much of a change. I still think that

2078
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 11: you have to take the seasonality into it. I suspect

2079
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 11: that the retail sales after I look a little bit

2080
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 11: deeper into it in the different areas where you know

2081
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 11: the consumer was spending money is a little bit skewed.

2082
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 11: Lot of that has to do to the holidays. Obviously,

2083
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 11: people spend more over the holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas is you know,

2084
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 11: starting starting off honka, things like that, And so you

2085
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 11: know this November and December are really tricky to uncover

2086
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 11: what retail sales really means. And I think we'll get

2087
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 11: a better idea come January of next year. And that's

2088
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 11: another reason why the FED has a little bit more.

2089
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes sense.

2090
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 2: Wait until we get back to I guess normal or

2091
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 2: a cooling off here and see what retails comparatively. And

2092
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,719
Speaker 2: I know you haven't had a chance to deep dig

2093
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,799
Speaker 2: into the daity yet, Andy, but would you just compare

2094
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: November over November last year and maybe over the last

2095
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 2: three or four years.

2096
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

2097
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 11: But remember we just went through COVID not too Yeah,

2098
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 11: so there's you know, some of those numbers.

2099
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 3: Are still skewed over the past two or three years.

2100
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 11: I do think, you know, another bit of data that

2101
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 11: was interesting was the Joltry Report, and the joltryport is essentially,

2102
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 11: you know, the job openings and labor Turnover survey, and

2103
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 11: what that says is people that have a job, are

2104
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 11: they actively looking for a new job because they think

2105
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 11: the prospects are favorable for them. And we're seeing those

2106
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 11: numbers continue to diminish because people that are currently in

2107
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 11: a job are really not looking for another position or

2108
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 11: a step up in you know, their careers, because they're

2109
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 11: fearful that there's not going to be out there. So

2110
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 11: that's another bit of the report that I found a

2111
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 11: little bit fascinating. That also also shows some cooling as well.

2112
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 2: Okay, good, what are we looking forward coming up with numbers?

2113
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,799
Speaker 2: We did jobs rates or a jobless we did retail?

2114
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 2: What's coming up next?

2115
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, Today's a big day and I'm looking forward to

2116
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,600
Speaker 11: kind of unpacking all that and trying to, you know,

2117
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 11: make an analysis of where I think things are going

2118
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 11: to be. But you know, I think, you know, we're

2119
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 11: going to get some FED chairman speakers again. But Thursday,

2120
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,799
Speaker 11: we're going to get the CPI, the Consumer Price Index

2121
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 11: that's the measure of inflation. We're going to get the

2122
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 11: core CPI, the feds preferred inflation measure when you strip

2123
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 11: out transportation and energy and food. They believe that they

2124
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 11: don't really have an effect on that. So that's going

2125
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 11: to be telling as far as inflation is concerned. I

2126
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 11: do expect it will stay steady or maybe even tick

2127
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 11: down a little bit. And then we're going to get

2128
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 11: home sales on Friday, so that would be interesting as well.

2129
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,440
Speaker 2: Okay, good, all stuff to look forward to. So we're

2130
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 2: holding steady at this point, and that's all I got

2131
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:07,639
Speaker 2: to answer.

2132
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think that's the the you know, the

2133
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 11: lesson here is that, you know, I'm kind of in

2134
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 11: a neutral position right now. I'm trying to stay nimble,

2135
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 11: to be able to put the brakes on if I

2136
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 11: need to, and be able to accelerate if we need

2137
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 11: to as well. But right now things seem to be

2138
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 11: doing just fine, and not really a whole lot of

2139
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 11: big surprises, just you know, just some small changes that

2140
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:26,639
Speaker 11: we didn't expect.

2141
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 2: All Right, we talked next week. You in next week?

2142
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, all right, we'll figure it out then, Andy,

2143
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 2: have a great week. I appreciate you buddy. Thanks again,

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Speaker 2: you too got to sloany with Willie on the way

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Speaker 2: in just minutes after news update on the home of

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Speaker 2: the best Bengals covered seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati,