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Speaker 3: up for it. What's up? Muleger, ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for listening. Hopefully your Tuesday is going great. Ours

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Speaker 3: is because our guy, Paul Dayner Junior is here on

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Speaker 3: Twitter at Paul Dayner Junior, writing and covering the Bengals

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Speaker 3: for the Athletic where he has his ten step plan

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Speaker 3: to get the Bengals back to the super Bowl, which

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Speaker 3: you may have heard is in Los Angeles next year.

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Speaker 3: You could read that at the Athletic dot com. We're

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Speaker 3: going to reference that often today. Also host of the

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Speaker 3: Growler podcast. The latest episode is else. Paul and I

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Speaker 3: talked about the super Bowl parts of Paul's ten step

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Speaker 3: plan to get the Bangles back to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: So go and listen to that or watch that on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Paul is here and as we did last week. We

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Speaker 3: are streaming this hour on Twitter just in the event

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Speaker 3: that that there are any sort of hidden surprises.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm wondering, is that we're going to get

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Speaker 1: another set of surprises here like last week's, which was

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Speaker 1: I'm still kind of reeling from a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm fully ready. My head's on a swivel today. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you ready for anything? You never know. It's not normally

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Speaker 3: And what we've done is we have planted the seed

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Speaker 3: in your head that now you never know what may happen,

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Speaker 3: and that puts you a little bit on edge.

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Speaker 1: But it's good. I'm uncomfortable around you.

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Speaker 3: Now there's a spawn. Get in line. Spontaneity is what

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Speaker 3: we like. We do have to talk about the tenth step.

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Speaker 3: By the way I printed it, us are printed last year's.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he went back to last year's last year's I

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Speaker 3: We talked about the Super Bowl on the Growler podcast,

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Speaker 3: just ask you one basic question about that game. Does

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Speaker 3: the AFC stink?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how this happened went from like the

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Speaker 3: All right, So on the Athletic dot Com, you have

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Speaker 3: the ten step path for the Bengals to get back

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I'm going there first. How can

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Speaker 3: But the potential complications, many of which you outline, make

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Speaker 1: that I would have above any receiver. So it's there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be somebody if you really want to go on

431
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Speaker 1: the defensive side of ball, and you may be taking

432
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Speaker 1: a less premium position depending on how you view. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm not really putting Caleb Downs in the

434
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Speaker 1: safety mold because it's a different player. Yeah, but you

435
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Speaker 1: know there's linebackers. You can even talk about the running

436
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Speaker 1: back there. You can talk about the corners, all of

437
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Speaker 1: this stuff, Like all of those you would have way

438
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Speaker 1: above any of.

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Speaker 3: The res If they've already signed Kobe Bryant, how will

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Speaker 3: that inform what they do if Caleb Downs is there.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think a lot because you know the stars.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can get the two things I want the most.

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Speaker 3: You can get Kobe Bryant and Caleb Down.

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Speaker 1: And now your fun And now the idea would then

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Speaker 1: be Caleb Downs is your Emon Worry or Kyle Hamilton.

446
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Speaker 1: This slot safety role that has become a huge thing

447
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Speaker 1: in the NFL right now as teams try to counter

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Speaker 1: what the offenses are doing. And you saw that across

449
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Speaker 1: all these really good defenses and the Bengals really love

450
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Speaker 1: the concept of that player. There are just not a

451
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Speaker 1: lot of players capable of pulling that position off properly.

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Speaker 1: You have to be pretty special, like even where he was,

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Speaker 1: or like Kyle Hamilton is. I mean, these are these

454
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Speaker 1: are top of the draft type players, elite skill sets.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Downs is that, and you can construct if that

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Speaker 1: ends up being your pick. I mean, you can have Okay,

457
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Speaker 1: Jordan Battle and Kobe Bryant are our safeties going into

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Speaker 1: the season. And again this fits my whole point. Yeah,

459
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Speaker 1: you have set yourself up where if Caleb Downs is there, Okay, yes,

460
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Speaker 1: now we can have some fun with this defense and

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Speaker 1: put him into that role and let everybody we can

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Speaker 1: rework some things on the fly as we go in

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Speaker 1: in next season and have a little bit more of

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Speaker 1: that aspect of that slot safety position with him as

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Speaker 1: an instinctual closer to the box guy like that makes

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Speaker 1: a ton of sense. But you've got to you don't

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Speaker 1: want to feel forced to need him to play regular

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Speaker 1: safety or whatever you have. It's better if you just

469
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Speaker 1: have all of those already in place. So I think

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Speaker 1: it fit. What you're talking about actually fits exactly what

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Speaker 1: you would want it to be for Cale D.

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Speaker 3: I have more questions based on this. Plus we have

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Speaker 3: to complain about the Hall of Fame some more. No,

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Speaker 3: of course, it's great. The results came out since you've

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Speaker 3: been here. Don't worry. We're not going to get get

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Speaker 3: results the Hall of Fame results on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: You were here Thursday, you were here Tuesday. I thought

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Speaker 1: you met like something new just came out. Oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no.

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Speaker 3: Since you were last year, we found out that Willie

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Speaker 3: Anderson and Can Anderson are not getting into to Campton,

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Speaker 3: not getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And

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Speaker 3: we what we do is we talk about things that

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Speaker 3: have happened since your last visit.

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Speaker 3: At the Winter Olympics in Cortino, Milan, the Canadian women's

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Speaker 3: goaltender is a tomato can and the US is crushing her.

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Speaker 3: It's for nothing us in the second period, five minutes

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Speaker 3: to go.

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Speaker 1: We needed this. We do need this because I gotta

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Speaker 1: say I was just enthralled with curling. We were talking

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Speaker 1: about this off there. I really do like I'm a

532
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Speaker 1: big fan. I was watching the Corries all week, drinding

533
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Speaker 1: out a bunch of wins, getting themselves to the gold

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Speaker 1: medal game. They narrowly lost to Swedeen, a team that

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Speaker 1: they you know, they just couldn't they didn't have their number.

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Speaker 1: But a great run for them. But I've just really

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Speaker 1: wanted to gold for them. But it was fun. It's

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Speaker 1: it's good to watch. It's fun to watch. Every single

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Speaker 1: curling match comes down to like one centimeter on the

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Speaker 1: last throw. They pretty much consistently good. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: I had curling on and here yesterday and what I

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Speaker 3: noticed is pretty much every curler looks the same, regardless

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Speaker 3: of country, regardless of where they're from.

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Speaker 1: What I love is when they were pulling. They play

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Speaker 1: all the matches like simultaneously, because they're all like in

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Speaker 1: a line like shuffleboard courts, and if you're watching, it

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Speaker 1: would sound on it's very quiet in the arenas. It

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Speaker 1: kind of almost treated golfle like, and then from like

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Speaker 1: two courts over over, you'll just hear like some Swedish yelling.

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Speaker 1: You just hear screaming in the dissits. It's very off putting.

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Speaker 1: It's very concerning, but anyway, not very good. Yeah, sorry

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Speaker 1: for nothing.

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Speaker 3: The US leads Canada in a preliminary round battle in

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Speaker 3: women's hockey. Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and The

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Speaker 3: Growler podcast. Your tenth item is extend DJ Turner and

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Speaker 3: Dax Hill before camp. Can that happen before the draft?

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Speaker 3: I know the likelihood of that happening, but that can

558
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Speaker 3: that happen? Could happen today?

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Speaker 1: Right? It could?

560
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Speaker 3: So Like if you want to go into the draft

561
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Speaker 3: with the most amount of information possible, you get those

562
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Speaker 3: guys done. I know that typically isn't how they've done things. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. I just think.

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Speaker 1: My drop dead deadline on it would be training camp

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Speaker 1: us to avoid all the distraction stuff that's been a problem.

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Speaker 3: Ideally, no chance that happens, no chance, no chance that happens.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't love the chance. No, no chance

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Speaker 1: that happens. I feel like we're definitely we're holding in,

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Speaker 1: we're holding out, We're we're hat watching, We're we're doing

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Speaker 1: we're doing it like September eighth, right when the first

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Speaker 1: game is late, right, it's yeah, the fourteenth, I believe,

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Speaker 1: or we're gonna be We're gonna be in that that

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Speaker 1: weekend before the first game, where like, is he gonna sign,

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Is he gonna play? It feels like

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Speaker 1: you could end up in that in that area certainly,

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Speaker 1: but it would be lovely. I think we're all involved

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Speaker 1: if they could come to an agreement right before training

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Speaker 1: camp starts. Here you go, these are your guys built

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Speaker 1: around him.

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Speaker 3: You're right, there are also extension conversations to be had

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Speaker 3: with Chase Brown and Miles Murphy, and we should see

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Speaker 3: where they go. But there's more reason to let those

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Speaker 3: play out than with the corners. Beyond him playing running back.

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Speaker 3: What are the reasons to let them play out with Chase?

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Speaker 1: Well, you still got the running back franchise tag, which

586
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Speaker 1: is a lower number than most of the other ones.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're talking about franchise tagging, say DJ

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Speaker 1: turr R like, that's a much bigger number that you're

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Speaker 1: dealing with. Then there's better value. And if you had

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Speaker 1: to do that with Chase, you'd be more willing to

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Speaker 1: do that with him. Paying running backs generally is a

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Speaker 1: different conversation than paying a number one shutdown corner, So

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Speaker 1: you know you're having different conversations there, and even an

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Speaker 1: eddresher like like Miles or whatever, that would look like.

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Speaker 1: I love the idea of paying Chase Brown, But if

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Speaker 1: you get down to it, I think that's the one

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Speaker 1: that falls off. Probably there's ways to keep him here

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Speaker 1: and still get a deal done after after this season.

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Speaker 1: But you love Chase Brown like I. He has done

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Speaker 1: everything the right way and been about it, and you

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Speaker 1: hope that you could get something done with him. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it has to happen right now

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Speaker 1: with him. Whereas I think you'd much more. The urgency

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Speaker 1: just feels higher, specifically with the corners. Item number six.

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Speaker 3: Don't skimp on backup QB in parentheses or lose Joe

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Speaker 3: Flacco's number.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: How deep is the pool of viable candidates of backup quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's like legitimate dudes. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: guys that have played had success and you feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: with the Garoppolos of the world. Yeah, they're out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's there's there's certainly more than a few

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Speaker 1: that'll be in that range. You know who could be Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: you know where I'm going. Number fourteen, the red rifle,

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Speaker 1: why not? Why not? He could? He could very easily

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Speaker 1: be let go In Carolina, they've kind of got their

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Speaker 1: guy and why not tie a bow on be awesome?

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is the backup quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Like, here's the thing. Andy Dalton is what thirty seven? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so he's not exactly young, but he's younger than Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 3: younger than Phili Rivers, younger than Philip Rivers, and so,

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Speaker 3: like we, I have become and I've said this to you,

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Speaker 3: any enormous Joe Flacco fan, Like, I don't know who

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Speaker 3: I should credit this to, but I watched a clip

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Speaker 3: of him on social media last week talking about, you know,

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Speaker 3: just the amount of contact the quarterbacks take. Now, when

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Speaker 3: he got Clark, it was it was terrific, and I

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Speaker 3: should have listened to the entire interview. But like I

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Speaker 3: just I'm a huge fan. But he's also no longer

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Speaker 3: and has it at his athletic peak. Right. The reasons

631
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Speaker 3: why you brought him here were be a quick study.

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Speaker 3: Well I don't need that anymore. I need somebody who

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Speaker 3: might be a little bit better. Andy Dalton is probably

634
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Speaker 3: a better quarterback than Joe Flacco right now. So shouldn't

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Speaker 3: I be looking for the best possible player at that

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Speaker 3: position for.

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Speaker 1: The same range. Yeah, I mean, it's not dramatic dramatic.

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Speaker 1: I mean he would be a start. I think most

639
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Speaker 1: of these guys are in a very similar similar model

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Speaker 1: and that the flat I mean the Flacco thing, and

641
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Speaker 1: we've talked through it. It's his situation is very could

642
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Speaker 1: end up any number of directions, Like I don't know

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Speaker 1: if there's a team that would consider him a bridge

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Speaker 1: quarterback or or not. Maybe maybe. I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowler, so that's true. He's coming off for

646
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: someone can add a Pro Bowl quarterback? Was Andy Bowler?

647
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: This year?

648
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: This year has been a Pro Bowl. Okay, I'm sure

649
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: he didn't. He wasn't in the I didn't watch the pass.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but yeah, no, I think, uh, there's a

651
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: there are a number of those guys that I think

652
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: there that would fit the bill of you know, just

653
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: don't don't turn this into oh, we'll just have a

654
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: couple of draft pick guys, yeah, and battle it out

655
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: or pull Trevor Simeon out of the hot tub or

656
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: whatever to come play here, like whatever. That is so

657
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Speaker 1: pad of miss me with that cross des ridder off,

658
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna cross if he wants to coun compete,

659
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Speaker 1: probably crossing him off.

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Speaker 3: Is there a scenario though, where they could they could

661
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Speaker 3: look for the next version of what Jake Browning was

662
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Speaker 3: a guy.

663
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Speaker 1: That How did Jake Browning get here though? I mean

664
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Speaker 1: he was a third quarter, but he's a practice squad

665
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: guy way up Matt not to be next year's backup,

666
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: but but to be a guy that they go down

667
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: the road that's going to be our backup. So we're

668
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: not suck looking for old guys every year. They need

669
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: to be looking for competition for Sean Clifford right now,

670
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: right or whatever?

671
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Speaker 2: You know.

672
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the Pro Bowl this year passed. Okay, Yeah,

673
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: so I think you're I think that's what it is,

674
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: whether it's whether that's a Day three pick, whether that's whatever.

675
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I there's somebody to be had

676
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: there that you can bring them in and see what

677
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: they develop. But for the number two, for Joe Burrow's backup,

678
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: it's an important position, okay. So yes, have it taken

679
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: care of by by a real guy, not that Jake

680
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: brown You felt like it was in a good position

681
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: and you never know, it didn't work out. It didn't

682
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: work out with Jae Brown and you thought it would have.

683
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: You thought you were in a great position there, but

684
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: I w you want to feel more solid about the

685
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: backup to Joe just because of some of the injury

686
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: history that you've obviously had recently.

687
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Speaker 3: What was the reaction last Thursday night when you saw

688
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: that neither Willie Anderson or Ken Anderson is going to

689
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: get to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in twenty

690
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Speaker 3: twenty six.

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Speaker 1: This is just continues to be sad. I'm not surprised.

692
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: He just continues to be sad. This institution has kind

693
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: of done this to two people that don't really deserve it.

694
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: Should I assume that like it's never gonna happen, specifically

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Speaker 3: for Ken.

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Speaker 1: It feels that way. I mean that's and that was

697
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Speaker 1: the impetus of the entire thing that ended up happening

698
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: with Craft and with Belichick was those people making in

699
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: that room. The fifty voters knew these seniors don't get in,

700
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: They're not probably getting in, and so that took precedence

701
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: over everything. It was vote to three seniors because the

702
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: Belichick and Craft, guess what, they're gonna be Hall of famers, Yes,

703
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: guess what, Ken Anderson and Roger Quig does get in,

704
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Speaker 1: But else Greenwood are never gonna be probably if they

705
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: don't get in here Hall of Famers. And so the

706
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: focus on getting this ten years in was important to

707
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: a decent wide enough swath of the voting group to

708
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: keep it from going, you know, in Kenyon, but Kenny

709
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Belichick and Crafts direction, and it's unfortunate. It just feels

710
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: like this is it for him. Willie, I still think

711
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna get in. Yeah, it feels like the door

712
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: is open with Ken. How many times has this guy

713
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: got to be a finalist? Right?

714
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: Like, I just Ken seventy six years old. It's ridiculous

715
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 3: and we've gone through this so many times. I felt

716
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 3: I felt awful for both. I felt an immense amount

717
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: of sadness for Ken and his family because that felt like,

718
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: and I hope to God I am wrong about this.

719
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: That felt like the door being shut. Maybe it's not,

720
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: but because of how this played out, the glimmer of

721
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: hope was no Belichick, no Craft, and then it still

722
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 3: didn't result in Kenny getting in. So why am I

723
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Speaker 3: believe that suddenly it's going to change.

724
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Speaker 1: Because they're potentially going to change the rules. I mean,

725
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: they're they're this is going to have a ripple effect

726
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: significant with albohall votes changes that need to be made.

727
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Whether that's I would assume much more than just going

728
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: back to being in person and later, which is some

729
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: of the early indications of things that we've heard. But

730
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: it's going to have to get into a reevaluation. Stop

731
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Speaker 1: putting the coaches and contributors with the seniors. They don't

732
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: make these adition be competing against each other. And what

733
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Speaker 1: is it hurting to get one more deserving senior player

734
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Speaker 1: in the abyss of deserving senior players in It's just

735
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: not hurting anything. And I don't understand this idea that

736
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: came out a couple of years ago that that would oh,

737
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: that's it's ruining the What are you talking? Put these

738
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: deserving players in that somebody who is an MVP with

739
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: four passing titles and been to the Super Bowl and

740
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: all this other stuff like what what are what are we?

741
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: What are we talking about? And so that stuff. I

742
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: just think the pendulum then swings back the other way

743
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: from wherever for whatever reason, it went the other way before.

744
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: In terms of trying to restrict how many people are

745
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: coming after you have these back to back small classes

746
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: where hardly anybody of all the deserving candidates gets in

747
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: that is, and then the Belichick and Craft thing together

748
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: combines to major changes I would assume coming from the Hall.

749
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I kind of just threw my hands

750
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: up last Thursday night and went like, I should not

751
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: be surprised by this, And then as I just thought

752
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: about it late on Thursday and for much of the

753
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: day on Friday, I just I said this to you

754
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: last week. I'm done over inflating the Hall of Fame's importance.

755
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: I don't need it as a barometer to measure either

756
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 3: guy's greatness or the greatness of anybody. But I want

757
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: it badly for both. I want it badly for what

758
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: it would mean to them and to just and a

759
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: lot of fans of a lot of players will make

760
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: the same argument. But these are guys who play for

761
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: the team that I care about their personally, men that

762
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: we've had on the show and have been very gracious

763
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: to us. And I think there are important parts of

764
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: this franchise is fabric and they're both deserving, and for

765
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: them to be denied, I just I feel so bad

766
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: for them, and I just I'm not to the point

767
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: that I'm not expecting a different outcome. I'm not expecting

768
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: it for Kenny, and I am now very skeptical that

769
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Speaker 3: we'll get a different outcome for Willie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, like I said, I don't know how

771
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: many times someone has to be a finalist and right

772
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: on the doorstep. I mean, and he's auto finalists for

773
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: next year because he was in the final seven again

774
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: just like he was last year and left out and

775
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, it's I'm out of rants. Since

776
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: I've started covering the league and understanding the Hall of

777
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: Fame voting, it has been off. It's just been mind

778
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: blowing to me. And it continues to be that. And

779
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: I don't even know, you know, until you see some

780
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: kind of change, I don't really know why you would

781
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: expect it to be any different than it's been. And

782
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: it's a hard it's an extra hard road for somebody

783
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: like Willy, I mean, an anonymous position in an anonymous market,

784
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: on a team that didn't win enough, even though you

785
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: were truly great, the best right tackle of your generation,

786
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: and you just have to keep watching over and over

787
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: again of all these other people get in. That is

788
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: that is hard. But watch watch the knock videos, right,

789
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: and so they can all say Oh it doesn't you know,

790
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that much to me, or of course,

791
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: of course you see what getting this right the impact

792
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: has how much it really means when you see Roger

793
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: Craig's reaction when it finally happens. If all of these

794
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: yea good for him by the way, yes, And it's

795
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: not about it like there should be more people that

796
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: should be able to have that feeling that are deserving

797
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: and not less, and especially those that are uniquely deserving

798
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: like Willy and Kenny are.

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00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 3: They should have like a different series where like someone

800
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: like me knocks on canon or door with a twelve pack,

801
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: it's like Ken, sorry, dude, sorry, it's let's put these

802
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: back though. Man, I know you're a Hall of Famer.

803
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: That should be like, hey, you didn't make the Hall,

804
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: but somebody's gonna come over to your house, yeah and

805
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: knock back a twelve pack with you, yeah, or whatever

806
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: your favorite livation is, and then they'll just kind of

807
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: do that for you. And I would do that for

808
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: Ken Anderson. I honestly, if you know anything about Ken any more.

809
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: Than twelve yeah, yeah, well you could always you can

810
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: always show up with the case yule keg. Yeah, it's

811
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: always possible. Ken, we got a guy unload the truck.

812
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: He's sorry anyway.

813
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: Read Paul Danner Junior's twelve step path to getting the

814
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: bengals back to the Super Bowl.

815
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Speaker 1: I can add to. And then you got last year's too,

816
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: which you linked to on this year. Yeah, that's right,

817
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: you can read both. How'd you think I did good? Yeah?

818
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 4: If they would have done this, you would be covering

819
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: a parade today, which is what I said last year. Yes,

820
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: if they would have just printed this out like I

821
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: did and said, okay, check check, you had them cutting ginostone.

822
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: So that's all I really cared about.

823
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Speaker 1: I tried.

824
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: Paul Danner Junior toth Athletic dot Com. Listen to the

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Speaker 3: latest edition of The Growler podcast. Could also'll watch it

826
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Speaker 3: on YouTube. You see baseball coach Jordan Bischell joins us

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