WEBVTT - 10-9-25 Sloan with  Dr Mark Enselaco

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to be an American idio Scott Coo

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<v Speaker 1>here seven hundred WLW. Will there finally be peace? Peace

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<v Speaker 1>in our lifetime? There's a potential to end the two

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<v Speaker 1>year war between Israel Hamas Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to convene the Israeli government. He's doing that

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<v Speaker 1>today as we speak, to ratify the Seasfire agreement. And

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump may travel at Egypt as soon as this weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where the talks are being held. To put

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<v Speaker 1>in perspective. As doctor Mark Nzilaco, he's a UTI political scientist,

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<v Speaker 1>also a Middle Eastern expert, former director International Studies Program

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<v Speaker 1>and founder of u d's Human Rights Studies Program. Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>how you been?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine. I think peace in the world is a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing. I think when you see the people being ravaged,

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<v Speaker 1>not only from what happened two years ago in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, to normal Israelis living their lives, to the

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<v Speaker 1>bombing and Susan bombing of those in Gosam, any of

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<v Speaker 1>those people not really other than the fact that they're

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<v Speaker 1>chatteled in this whole mixed up conflict illustrates the absurdity

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<v Speaker 1>and just how cruel we are to other human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe we'll finally get piece piece at last. And

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<v Speaker 1>the question is will that piece last? Because I'm also well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the glass may be half full here. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that there's some problems. We'll get into that. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the deal real quick. Let me outline

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<v Speaker 1>it in case you're not following this or just hearing

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<v Speaker 1>it for the first time. Hamas has agreed to release

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<v Speaker 1>all their remarrining hostages Israel. We will draw withdraw their

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<v Speaker 1>forces back to what they call the agreed upon Yellow line.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is just the first phase of the peace agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's going to be the hostages and then Palestinian

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<v Speaker 1>prisoners get released, and then once that's finalized and within

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours, all this is going to end. But

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<v Speaker 1>there are some bombs going off today as a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact. So first and foremost is this is phase

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<v Speaker 1>one and that seems to be the easy phase Phase

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<v Speaker 1>two and beyond that's probably the more difficult. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>lay that out?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I mean, there's a twenty point plan. It

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<v Speaker 2>was agreed to a week or so ago. We're elaborate,

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<v Speaker 2>very very elaborate very detail. Well, and the phase where

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<v Speaker 2>now is really was water two widems, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>the key is really getting Hamas to lay it down

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<v Speaker 2>its weapons and uh, for Hamas to have no future,

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<v Speaker 2>uh in any Palestinian administration that runs that that land.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's a long that's a long stretch. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's when you've laid the foundations for genuine peace. The

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<v Speaker 2>smoke hasn't cleared yet from a two year and very

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<v Speaker 2>as you say, very very bloody, very very violent war.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean destruction on almost unimaginable levels. So I mean

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<v Speaker 2>just psychologically and emotionally. How do people who are already

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<v Speaker 2>each other's throats, how do they recover from this? How

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<v Speaker 2>they move forward? Uh? You know, gritter things maybe haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been done, but maybe the violence was precisely so bad

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone finally wakes up and realizes that we have

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<v Speaker 2>to find a means to coexist and live together. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'll hope that's the goal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you hope so too. You just wonder how long

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to last. And I kind of mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>in my preamble there. As you know, you're the professor

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<v Speaker 1>in this conversation. You're you're the student of this more

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<v Speaker 1>than I am. I can't count how many deals we've

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<v Speaker 1>had in the past when it comes to different accords

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<v Speaker 1>and the like. And that's not just Hummas, but generally

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<v Speaker 1>peace between Palestine in Israel itself. I mean the also

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<v Speaker 1>Accords back in the nineties, you had Camp David in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand, You've had summits and roadmaps for peace in

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<v Speaker 1>the Annapolis Conference and Trump's peace plan from five years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and none of them went anywhere. Why is this the one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, if those couldn't take

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<v Speaker 2>hold in a much more favorable environment of peace than now, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, a moment ago, to the destruction, level

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<v Speaker 2>of destruction is so great, it's not even mistrust anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>has deep, deep hated hatred. Uh So, one could only

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<v Speaker 2>hope that the violence was so immense that it shocked

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<v Speaker 2>everybody into into a mind a mindset for a peace.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, at this stage, we're looking what hostage you're

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<v Speaker 2>coming back? I mean, it's really intelligence is assessin that

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas may even be able to return all the dead

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<v Speaker 2>hostages because obviously because the yeah, so will we be released,

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<v Speaker 2>which prisoners will be released what will stay? You know. Still,

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<v Speaker 2>the big piece is does Hamas retain any any power

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<v Speaker 2>now both within Gaza, among Palestinians and certainly vis A

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<v Speaker 2>vis uh is real who's not going to stop hunting Hahas?

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<v Speaker 2>You know Israeli? So you're not going to stop hunting

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas because they meet it. They they reached an agreement

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<v Speaker 2>sharmol shake Egypt. So I mean the roots through violence

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<v Speaker 2>are so deep that. Yeah. So it's work as how

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<v Speaker 2>as we can, as the UN says, get the housages

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<v Speaker 2>out and get the aid in. Uh, but be realistic

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<v Speaker 2>about uh, be realistic about the prospects for long long

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<v Speaker 2>term piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I just don't imagine Hamas is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go away. Quiet, That's the thing is. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of points in here too, is Hamas is going

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<v Speaker 1>to lay down their arms and simply guy, I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't see this as kind of like the American Revolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>War that all these combatants lay down their arms and

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<v Speaker 1>go back to being gentlemen farmers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, I don't see that at all. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know there was back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>but as accords, when you know elements at PLO fought

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<v Speaker 2>that were coming and they had a terrorist background and

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<v Speaker 2>they made a transition from that. But this Hamas is

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<v Speaker 2>a different like his bulla a different beast. Here's the

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<v Speaker 2>point though, Gaza is is rubble and and it really

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be rebuilt UH. And then I should communities

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<v Speaker 2>on this before poort and billions and billions of dollars. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened before was Hamas hijacked, that process hijacked. They

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<v Speaker 2>were able to divert those nieces to missiles and tunnels

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<v Speaker 2>and bombs and uniforms, all those all the belligerency material

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<v Speaker 2>for war. So in the administration of this piece, if

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<v Speaker 2>we move forward on this twenty point plan, there's the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity and there's really the imperative that the global community

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<v Speaker 2>monitor their expendors, really control that process so that by

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<v Speaker 2>by by administering Gaza UH really marginalizing Hamas there so

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas will be could be at war UH with the self.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us to the ends up war with themselves. If

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas is to retain is going to try to retain

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<v Speaker 2>some influence.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the billion dollar question, man, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>prevent that from happening? Because two things off the top

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<v Speaker 1>of my head, Mark Ensilaka would be human nature, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know the nature of of having control as power

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<v Speaker 1>and power as to come, and fear as part of

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<v Speaker 1>that is the currency of power. And so hey, how

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<v Speaker 1>many regimes have we seen in the history of the

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<v Speaker 1>world where someone's taken over and organization has taken over

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<v Speaker 1>and it's become a total power grab. And again it's

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<v Speaker 1>the has and have nots. We take everything, we arm up,

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<v Speaker 1>we scare the hell out of the people, and we

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<v Speaker 1>keep them in line, whether it's this or pole pot

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<v Speaker 1>or anybody else. And then the other thing is just

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<v Speaker 1>out and out graft. Yeah, okay, we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>what the un oversee this? Yeah, good luck with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. Yeah. You know, there's an old expression in diplomacy

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<v Speaker 2>that the devil lives in the details. It's easy to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of reach. It's not easy, but it's possible to

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<v Speaker 2>reach broad twenty point goals and have some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>pacific vision of the future. But it's in the implement

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<v Speaker 2>patient as you say, how many tons of food are

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<v Speaker 2>going to go in per day? Really, how are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to reconstruct the destroyed sanitation systems? I mean, really,

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<v Speaker 2>there is an opportunity out for Gaza's for palest Indians

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<v Speaker 2>in the new administration to build, not just rebuild Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>but build a new society there. And they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to do it because it's literally rubble and it's

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<v Speaker 2>literally great loss of life, great disruption. But there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a you know, there's going to be an

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<v Speaker 2>international relief effort. I hope we're part of that and

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have to take it over, and that would

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<v Speaker 2>be the number one could contribute a bit. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>involved clearly. The twenty point Plan, as I understand it,

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<v Speaker 2>sees a key role for a peace commission chaired by

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<v Speaker 2>the President of the United States. So we're engaged. We're

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<v Speaker 2>engaged very clearly, but it's in the details. Let's get

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<v Speaker 2>it right, let's do it right.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is the other part of the problem

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<v Speaker 1>to us, we've seen in Afghanistan and backwards, is that

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<v Speaker 1>we pay attention. Because we're Americans, We've got the attention

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<v Speaker 1>span of a gnat, and we'll pay attention into what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Once everything signed in the press, opportunities over, we'll move

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<v Speaker 1>on to the next shiny object, uh, and then things

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<v Speaker 1>will fall apart in the Middle East, and we'll wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. Is that a possibility?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I mean certainly one would in his in

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<v Speaker 2>the Maga world. Is this is a step of involvement

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<v Speaker 2>in other countries wars That exactly what he promised to avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how how will his his loyalists, his most

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<v Speaker 2>loyal supporters, how do they see? Uh, this Nobel Price

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<v Speaker 2>comes out tomorrow, It's gonna be fascinating. Uh, fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I want to get it done right now,

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<v Speaker 1>because he wants he wants he wants a Nobel prize.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is that the votes already end. Uh it

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<v Speaker 2>would be interesting though, Uh you know, the name should

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<v Speaker 2>maybe bows around at Jerry Kushner. I mean he's working

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes for a long time. I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not nominating him by any means, but uh, there are

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<v Speaker 2>there is a there was a there has been a

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<v Speaker 2>great deal of behind the scenes fashion in the Arab world,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna be fascinating to see with the passage

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<v Speaker 2>of time what we learned about that process. History books

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be fascinating, but those period time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's doctor Mark Nsoloco at the University of Dat

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<v Speaker 1>and political science professor there talking about maybe finally peace

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<v Speaker 1>in the least between Israel and Hamas and regime change

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<v Speaker 1>there and stopping the bombing, and it could happen relatively soon.

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<v Speaker 1>The Prime Minister of Israel NET and Yahoo is convening

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<v Speaker 1>the Israeli government today to vote on this to ratify

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<v Speaker 1>the ceasefire agreement. The other side, any, I don't we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want sae like a couple of bitter old men here.

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<v Speaker 1>But but you know, we've seen this movie before, not

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<v Speaker 1>just in our lifetime, into previous lifetimes. And you are

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<v Speaker 1>a student of history, your political science professor, and history

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<v Speaker 1>is the best indicator future behavior. And so if we're

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<v Speaker 1>a little jaded and pessimistic about this, it's for good reason.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean that this piece won't last. And hell,

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<v Speaker 1>even if the piece lasts for six months, a year,

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<v Speaker 1>two years, ten years, whatever it is, that's better than

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<v Speaker 1>these two sides blowing each other up, taking hostages, killing,

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<v Speaker 1>raping women, holding people hostage, and the other side bombing

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<v Speaker 1>the hell out of civilians.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's you just laid out of Panorama. That's really frightening.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I mean it's long term term. One

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<v Speaker 2>thing you would be always sure of the Middle East

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<v Speaker 2>that there's something will flare up, Yes, But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, and I don't want to be too optimistic

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<v Speaker 2>about things, but the strategically the Middle East has changed

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<v Speaker 2>a great deal. I mean because of the violence. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Hamas has been close to being destroyed, but you know'

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<v Speaker 2>his boiler and the attack on Iran with even the

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<v Speaker 2>United States getting involved attacking the nuclear sites. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>so you hit this arc of countries that were hostile

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<v Speaker 2>to Israel An Israel sort of you know, took the

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<v Speaker 2>fight to them, and that is weakened these organizations regionally

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<v Speaker 2>and and strategically. Now I'm not simply saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what a wonderful new world, you know, post war World

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<v Speaker 2>War two, uh uh, you know world, But yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>been changes in the strategic environment, and maybe that could

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<v Speaker 2>be a basis. I mean, you look at these golf states,

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<v Speaker 2>Goha and all these emirates, all these they're fabulously wealthy.

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<v Speaker 2>They're fabulously wealthy societies. And although there's just an attachment

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<v Speaker 2>of Palesitian cause that I coulds rather than protruci them,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's a lot of people sort of want

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<v Speaker 2>to get out into their lives and they'd probably rather

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Jared Kushner about real you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Mediterranean seafront real estate. Then the don't want to run

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<v Speaker 2>around in a singing alo roc bar uh and and

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<v Speaker 2>blowing things up, So there could be really environment. I

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<v Speaker 2>always argue that when I wrote my first book about

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<v Speaker 2>violence in the Middle East Fromplex September September eleventh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>looking at a different war, uh, you know, against Alcada

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<v Speaker 2>in Afghanistan. I simply said, you know this will this

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<v Speaker 2>will end when mothers tell their children suicide in the

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<v Speaker 2>act of blowing someone up is not you know, jihad

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<v Speaker 2>in a way of allah. You know when when you dead,

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<v Speaker 2>attitude changes. And one could probably say and he is

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<v Speaker 2>ready sit side too. Within the settler movement, the extreme

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<v Speaker 2>sort of Zionist movements that are that have taken the

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<v Speaker 2>vigilante law in their own hand. There's deep problems in

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<v Speaker 2>these societies that speak against a long lasting peace. But

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<v Speaker 2>one can build on what was in front of us

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Right now there's a lot of rebuilding of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of destruction, and and make the difficult initial

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<v Speaker 2>steps in these peace press make these count.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you kind of hit on it there.

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<v Speaker 1>And the big question then to summarize what you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>on Tlaco, is this only works if both sides wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Remember at ended a chapter in my book once

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<v Speaker 2>where one of the leaders back in the day said,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't want peace. Peace would end all our hopes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if that's the mentality you have, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>got the you've got the permanent roots for for for

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<v Speaker 2>future violence. But right now, clearly in the house to

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<v Speaker 2>the inside is exhausted. I mean, it's really difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>assess this because journalists have they not had access to

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<v Speaker 2>little many have lost their lives in this conflict reporting

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<v Speaker 2>from Gaza. But you know, one beginning to hear uh

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<v Speaker 2>reports or inklings that Pelsis have turned on Hamas and

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying, you know, yes, here's what these did, this

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<v Speaker 2>great distraction to us. But you provoke them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you poke the bear. Uh And so you know, Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>Tamas militants will walk around with scars, greens, cigars are

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<v Speaker 2>on the head and and and the goose step. But

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<v Speaker 2>in point of fact, there is a serious, serious defeat

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<v Speaker 2>for them militarily and politically.

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<v Speaker 1>And all the multi phases are the twenty point program.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just in the first couple right now. This is

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<v Speaker 1>only phase one, So we're a long way away from

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<v Speaker 1>lasting peace at this point, even a ceasfar, because bombs

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<v Speaker 1>are going off this morning as a matter of fact.

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<v Speaker 1>There as we moved to phase two in beyond, it

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<v Speaker 1>was France, I believe, the first loft of the notion

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<v Speaker 1>that Palestinian state whood should be a thing, and some

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<v Speaker 1>other countries signed on to that and absolutely upset those

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<v Speaker 1>of us in the West. How dare you do this?

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<v Speaker 1>They come in two years ago and look what they did,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you want to give them statehood and forget

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. But it sounds like part of this plan

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<v Speaker 1>is eventually that's exactly what's going to happen. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if Israel is pulling back to this yellow line, then

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<v Speaker 1>they'll have a final determination where that is. That would

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<v Speaker 1>then mean that some degree at Palestinian state right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I thought, I thought France and Great

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<v Speaker 2>Britain announcing this a few weeks ago was really sort

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<v Speaker 2>of and forgive me for putting on such plant terms

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<v Speaker 2>sort of you know, media just the media. Start, there

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<v Speaker 2>is no palest in the estate. I mean, when you

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<v Speaker 2>say to me, show me your state, the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know is where are the boundaries? So

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<v Speaker 2>and then who's your leadership Hamas? I mean, it's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>was going to come on this. Nonetheless, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I understand President Trump sort of trying to push

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<v Speaker 2>back in our allies this tag back you were rewarding.

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<v Speaker 2>You said, exactly, wait, Scott, you're rewarding Hamas by giving

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<v Speaker 2>them this prize. But no, the fact, the long term

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<v Speaker 2>fact is there's going to happen in two states. So

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<v Speaker 2>at some point you're going to so in the process

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<v Speaker 2>of building, you know, when you when you really have

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<v Speaker 2>to just make sanitation systems and water and deliver food

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, just the rudiments of running and government really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, particularly recovering one right, you can build trust,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see that people can work together, and that

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<v Speaker 2>it has to be to go in building and rebuilding.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we really have to lay the foundations to

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<v Speaker 2>build out for a long term, long term priest. But

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<v Speaker 2>the global community, and that means the United States. What

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump is the chairman of this this Peace Commission Order.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called right, you said this right, the global communities

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<v Speaker 2>have to stay engaged in that. Yeah. Yeah, and that

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<v Speaker 2>means the United States too, Ye turn our back on it.

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<v Speaker 1>We turn our back on It's Afghanistan, it's Vietnam, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all those things. And we just, you know, because the

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<v Speaker 1>public we lose interest in and why are we supporting them?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are we doing this? And it's it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>I think, probably more low key than that. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like we have troops on the ground there, but in

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<v Speaker 1>that regardless of this is something we're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>stay on top of for a long time if you

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<v Speaker 1>want it to work. All right, I gotta get going,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Mark anziloco ud I was appreciate the time in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the good stuff. I feel like I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in one of your classes here. Thanks again for the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a good one. Uh yeah, Whether it lasts or not,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to find out. Although history is certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>on their side. But man, you look at the devastation,

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<v Speaker 1>the destruction, the human casualties, the toll, it's seventy thousand

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<v Speaker 1>plus people. I mean, that's a lot of people dying.

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<v Speaker 1>And now it's over and hopefully you can go back

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<v Speaker 1>to being that gentleman farmer. I don't know if a

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<v Speaker 1>moss is gonna lay their arms down. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's the thing, because there's always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>that streak. As soon as something goes sideways, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>wind up game in more power. It's just the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of the beast. Anyway, Quick time out News on the Way,

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