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Speaker 1: The Man we call Trags, Mike Petralia, It is great

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Speaker 3: It is great to be here. I must tell you.

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Speaker 4: It gives a lot more personality when you are in person.

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Speaker 4: In person because there's a lot more texture and animation

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Speaker 1: I think the writing was on the wall that something

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Speaker 4: Curious, but he was the best option available. That was

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Speaker 4: my initial reaction. Clearly, putting Joe Flacco, the arguably the

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Speaker 3: But he can sling it. As T.

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Speaker 4: still sling it. He can move the ball downfield, and

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Speaker 4: Asked T Higgins about this, does this message from the

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, Little things into bigger things. First, you tweeted

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco spent about i'd say five to six seven

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Speaker 1: You're around and have been around Jake Browning every day.

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Speaker 3: Lance. Remember what happened.

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Speaker 4: It was a thing of beauty, it was, and they

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Speaker 4: Every guard loves to run block, every offensive lineman loves

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Speaker 4: Related online sel ands since with a y dot com

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Speaker 3: Want to get away from that.

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Speaker 4: They want to be more like the Milwaukee Brewers and

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Speaker 4: He's your short stuff, excellent stuff as always. I really

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Speaker 4: appreciate you making the trip out here. I really enjoyed

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Speaker 3: Thanks for dinner, Budd.

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Speaker 2: You got it. He's dragged. Check him out, take a

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Speaker 3: Get a check on.

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